US Army Special Forces selection and training

[papasmerf]

Hey guys, I'd like to purchase a book about US Army Special Forces explaining a Green Beret selection and training. I know quite a bit as far as Navy's BUD/S go, but that's about it. I'm very interested in knowing what a trainee has to go through to become a Green Beret, how long it is, what are the instructors like, what's the culture like etc. you get the point. I'd like to hear from people who know of books like that, thank you.

[Uncle Sam]

Ranger handbook...

...That's all...

...Nothing Else...

;)

[NcDeuce]

SF Recruiter and/or active duty/retired soldiers...

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty. ;)

[ChuckThunder]

Mr. Sandman...

[papasmerf]

SF Recruiter and/or active duty/retired soldiers...

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty. ;)


Yea, I'm bothering one of them now p-) I still need a book though. I need details.

[NcDeuce]

SF Recruiter and/or active duty/retired soldiers...

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty. ;)


Yea, I'm bothering one of them now p-) I still need a book though. I need details.

[Haiw]

Why get a book? I mean, there's bound to be SOMETHING around on the internet. Maybe some training diarys from guys that went trough the training...

[Dmitri]

Actually, I was going to ask Deuterium anyway: got a guy in my unit who went through SFAS about a year ago, and he gave me a pretty good details about exacly what went on there. Now, I don't know if he was actually supposed to do that, since it is not a very publicized selection anyway, but if Deut is fine with it, and anyone wants to hear it, I will gladly tell you what he went through.
By the way, he made through the whole 3 weeks, while people were dropping left and right, but he was "non-select" by the board at the end. He said he fratured his ancle on one of the land nav courses, but didn't want to be dropped or rolled, so he finished it...

[TriggerPuller]

Actually, I was going to ask Deuterium anyway: got a guy in my unit who went through SFAS about a year ago, and he gave me a pretty good details about exacly what went on there. Now, I don't know if he was actually supposed to do that, since it is not a very publicized selection anyway, but if Deut is fine with it, and anyone wants to hear it, I will gladly tell you what he went through.
By the way, he made through the whole 3 weeks, while people were dropping left and right, but he was "non-select" by the board at the end. He said he fratured his ancle on one of the land nav courses, but didn't want to be dropped or rolled, so he finished it... And you believe this guy? Just join whatever branch is best suited for you. Get through recruit training and then your basic school. It seems that all the kids these days want to run before they have even begun to crawl. No books will help you to get through the hell that is gonna come down on you once you make it to selection or Indoc.

TP

[Haiw]

Yup...it's not like you're getting fit from reading. :lol:

Might be some arm training tho, turning all those pages ;)

[Dmitri]

And you believe this guy? Just join whatever branch is best suited for you. Get through recruit training and then your basic school. It seems that all the kids these days want to run before they have even begun to crawl. No books will help you to get through the hell that is gonna come down on you once you make it to selection or Indoc.

Do I believe this guy?? Yeah, he is an E-5, and still had an SF patch and airborne tab because he had a six month train-up with with them. I don't think he is lying.
As for joining, I can go and do the same thing starting tomorrow, except from some of the stuff they did there I know it would take me several months of some hell of a training to get even close to barely making through(and that's just physically)
But he just gave me some good insight, and like I said if anyone wants to hear it, its just some pretty interesting stuff.

[papasmerf]

All I did was asked about any books that some of you guys might have read, and people are replying back with "why" and trying to question my reason of wanting to read a single book. I didn't know reading a book is such a huge deal, it's my hobby, I'm not trying to get fit from it. I don't remember anywhere saying I need a book that would help me make it through the training, yet Trigger makes it seem like I did. I've read a SEAL book by **** Couch about BUD/S, so I thought I'd read one about SF selection. So chill out people.

[ChuckThunder]

All I did was asked about any books that some of you guys might have read, and people are replying back with "why" and trying to question my reason of wanting to read a single book. I didn't know reading a book is such a huge deal, it's my hobby, I'm not trying to get fit from it. I don't remember anywhere saying I need a book that would help me make it through the training, yet Trigger makes it seem like I did. I've read a SEAL book by **** Couch about BUD/S, so I thought I'd read one about SF selection. So chill out people.

Speaking of **** Couch, his new book, The Finishing School Earning the Navy Seal Trident comes out in March. :D

[papasmerf]

Thanks Chuck, I'll check those out too.

[ibstolidude]

You can get it for FREE!
Just ask your recruiter:
USAREC Pam 601-25
PT 31-210-SWCS (or the current like document)

if Duet chooses to relay his personal experiences and knowledge that is one thing, but live by the gouge, die by the gouge. I would only listen to the sources (such as Duet) themselves or the mil.

I think you should go to Camp Mackall and ask them to talk to you about it. Head on down Lamont. Be sure to show up early for the free tours, they fill up quick!!! Try the fishing it is wonderful! Enjoy your trip.

Best of luck!

[Beowulf]

You can get it for FREE!
Just ask your recruiter:
USAREC Pam 601-25
PT 31-210-SWCS (or the current like document)

if Duet chooses to relay his personal experiences and knowledge that is one thing, but live by the gouge, die by the gouge. I would only listen to the sources (Duet) themselves or the mil.

I think you should go to Camp Mackall and ask them to talk to you about it. Head on down Lamont. Be sure to show up early for the free tours, they fill up quick!!! Try the fishing it is wonderful! Enjoy your trip.

Best of luck!

The usarec pam. is on the net also.
Try a google, or search at Socnet.

[HooyahCQB]

There's a book called something like "You Want Me To Do What?" and it's about a guy who became a Ranger, then went to Special Forces, and then went through BUD/S to become a SEAL. It's right up your ally :) I haven't read it, btw. Oh...found it, here's a link! http://navyseals.com/community/store/details.cfm?item=10087

[papasmerf]

Excellent, thanks guys.

[TriggerPuller]

You can get it for FREE!

I think you should go to Camp Mackall and ask them to talk to you about it. Head on down Lamont. Be sure to show up early for the free tours, they fill up quick!!! Try the fishing it is wonderful! Enjoy your trip.

Best of luck!Just make sure to see my friend The Reaper when you get to Camp Mackall. Tell him SGT ROCK sent you. He will take good care of you!!!! Good luck :D

TP

[Red]

I dont know why people are obsessed with Special operations work,i am not undermining the work these guys do but most of them started from somewhere like the regular infantry,why dont you start there,if you think you can hack it then you can move up to SF.Those SF type guys have a very hard job and you have to be top notch to qualify.But i can bet you,you can do a lot of big things in the regular units just as well.I am a bit worried that a lot of people overlook the work the regular units do but instead look at what Sf do.You have to learn to count before you learn to add.

[NcDeuce]

SF Recruiter and/or active duty/retired soldiers...

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty. ;)


Yea, I'm bothering one of them now p-) I still need a book though. I need details.

That's all I know about the nitty gritty selection process. :oops:

[11F5S]

I dont know why people are obsessed with Special operations work,i am not undermining the work these guys do but most of them started from somewhere like the regular infantry,why dont you start there,if you think you can hack it then you can move up to SF.Those SF type guys have a very hard job and you have to be top notch to qualify.But i can bet you,you can do a lot of big things in the regular units just as well.I am a bit worried that a lot of people overlook the work the regular units do but instead look at what Sf do.You have to learn to count before you learn to add.

Why start there when there's fast track (18X)available....if you have what it takes. If you can cut the mustard you'll be way ahead of the masses in terms of SF experience and rank compared to guys who spend years in a regular infantry outfit.

If I had to put up with the chicken**** of the regular units (airborne or leg) I'd have left the Army(as many do) after one hitch. I started in SF green as grass and wound up as team sergeant. I can't think of a faster way to learn the ropes than from being surrounded by SF veterans.

[papasmerf]

I dont know why people are obsessed with Special operations work,i am not undermining the work these guys do but most of them started from somewhere like the regular infantry,why dont you start there,if you think you can hack it then you can move up to SF.Those SF type guys have a very hard job and you have to be top notch to qualify.But i can bet you,you can do a lot of big things in the regular units just as well.I am a bit worried that a lot of people overlook the work the regular units do but instead look at what Sf do.You have to learn to count before you learn to add.

This isn't what this post is about, all I asked was for a freaking book since I'm a potential SF applicant, that's all lol. I want to have some insight before I enlist whether it'll be the Navy or the Army, I just don't know which branch to choose yet.

[t*BoNe]

[EDIT] text removed

original poster wasn't worth the time

[NcDeuce]

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty.

Ah...I forgot to tell you one more thing...

"Consistency is the key", these 4 tips come from BTDT Green Beanies... ;)

[Haiw]

I want to have some insight before I enlist whether it'll be the Navy or the Army, I just don't know which branch to choose yet.
That's easy; just ask yourself if you've got a hard-on for water. If yes, Navy, If no, Army. Easy as that. :P

[TriggerPuller]

I want to have some insight before I enlist whether it'll be the Navy or the Army, I just don't know which branch to choose yet.
That's easy; just ask yourself if you've got a hard-on for water. If yes, Navy, If no, Army. Easy as that. :P SF goes to dive school also and does plenty of waterborne operations around the world.

TP

[Haiw]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?

[papasmerf]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?

I think all SF are capable of conducting a maritime operation, SEALs just do more of it.

[papasmerf]

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty.

Ah...I forgot to tell you one more thing...

"Consistency is the key", these 4 tips come from BTDT Green Beanies... ;)

Thanks TF (if i only knew what the hell you were talking about tunnels and snakes lol).

[Haiw]

I think all SF are capable of conducting a maritime operation, SEALs just do more of it.
There's a difference between a maritime operation and diving...

[NcDeuce]

Careful in the tunnels...snakes are mean...and Nick is nasty.

Ah...I forgot to tell you one more thing...

"Consistency is the key", these 4 tips come from BTDT Green Beanies... ;)

Thanks TF (if i only knew what the hell you were talking about tunnels and snakes lol).

:D

Isn't it standard for every soldier to be swim qualified?

[TriggerPuller]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP

[papasmerf]

I think all SF are capable of conducting a maritime operation, SEALs just do more of it.
There's a difference between a maritime operation and diving...

How about we let our buddy Deuterium enlighten us on this issue...

[papasmerf]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP


I'd never join the Marines lol I don't like their uniforms rofl

[NcDeuce]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP


I'd never join the Marines lol I don't like their uniforms rofl

^ Word

You gotta admit though, those dark dress blues are sharp.

[Haiw]

I think all SF are capable of conducting a maritime operation, SEALs just do more of it.
There's a difference between a maritime operation and diving...

How about we let our buddy Deuterium enlighten us on this issue...
Okay, I'll try and make it more clear; maritime is basically everything on or in the water... So that includes boats etc. etc. I'm fairly sure all SOF are trained in at least some way for this.

Diving however (at least in the Netherlands) is of course a somewhat different story as it involves a lot of specialised training.. and as far as I know not all SOF operators (except SEALs and FR if I remember correctly) are scuba-trained. That doesn't mean there's no divers in army SF tho, it just means that not all of them are dive-trained.

Right? (I'm not 100% sure since I don't have personal knowledge on it, but it's just the best I can do...feel free to prove me a total know-nothing on US SOF)

[papasmerf]

I think all SF are capable of conducting a maritime operation, SEALs just do more of it.
There's a difference between a maritime operation and diving...

How about we let our buddy Deuterium enlighten us on this issue...
Okay, I'll try and make it more clear; maritime is basically everything on or in the water... So that includes boats etc. etc. I'm fairly sure all SOF are trained in at least some way for this.

Diving however (at least in the Netherlands) is of course a somewhat different story as it involves a lot of specialised training.. and as far as I know not all SOF operators (except SEALs and FR if I remember correctly) are scuba-trained. That doesn't mean there's no divers in army SF tho, it just means that not all of them are dive-trained.

Right? (I'm not 100% sure since I don't have personal knowledge on it, but it's just the best I can do...feel free to prove me a total know-nothing on US SOF)

I really don't know Haiw, I don't know a lot about SF that's why I asked if someone here knew of books that could educate me in that field a bit.

[TriggerPuller]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP


I'd never join the Marines lol I don't like their uniforms rofl Dont worry you couldnt hack it anyway!!

TP

[papasmerf]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP


I'd never join the Marines lol I don't like their uniforms rofl Dont worry you couldnt hack it anyway!!

TP

"You can't hack it, you're not tough enough" Is that what all Marines say when someone refuses to join your precious little Corps??

[Haiw]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)

[Salty Dog]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP


I'd never join the Marines lol I don't like their uniforms rofl Dont worry you couldnt hack it anyway!!

TP

i think i could sgt.!

[papasmerf]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)


In my school a Marine with bold head, 19 years old, 5 ft tall and under 120 pounds, just out of basic, told me I'm not tough enough when I said I don't want to join the Marines lol I don't know if this is a cultural thing for Marines to try to diss someone that wants to enlist in branch other then the Corps or some ****. When I speak with Army, Navy or Air Force recruiters, they always seem more mature then the Marine recruiters.

[Salty Dog]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)


In my school a Marine with bold head, 19 years old, 5 ft tall and under 120 pounds, just out of basic, told me I'm not tough enough when I said I don't want to join the Marines lol I don't know if this is a cultural thing for Marines to try to diss someone that wants to enlist in branch other then the Corps or some ****. When I speak with Army, Navy or Air Force recruiters, they always seem more mature then the Marine recruiters.

the marines have always had that mindset for several reasons. first of all, they have to have that attitude because they are the smallest branch and need to survive (i beleive some congressmen and some presidents over the years have tried to disband the marines) and secondly, they strive to be the best that they can be and always demand more (which also ties into survival).

thats what i think, though i may be wrong, and probably am, so trigger puller, feel free to thrash me all you want, not that you need my permission sgt!

[Dmitri]

5 ft tall and under 120 pounds,
Good lord, thats horrible!!! And just out of basic??? Supposed to have some meat on him...

I don't know if this is a cultural thing for Marines to try to diss someone that wants to enlist in branch other then the Corps or some ****. Well, thats because the enlist not for a "pride", but for the interest in the job ;) (watch this, I about to get jumped :D )

[Dmitri]

they strive to be the best that they can be
thats the mindset for the whole military. especially in the units like infantry, who really need to be on the top of things to survive

[NcDeuce]

Quote:
5 ft tall and under 120 pounds,

Good lord, thats horrible!!! And just out of basic??? Supposed to have some meat on him...

My dad jumped well over 200 lbs after basic...I hope I don't jump too much in weight :D

[Dmitri]

My dad jumped well over 200 lbs after basic...I hope I don't jump too much in weight
No, just eat everything they give you, but you should get plenty of excersise to burn some calories. I came out with exactly same weight, just leaner :lol: But my friend who is in Benning now, lost almost 30 pounds after 9 weeks, because his spoiled ass was too picky about the food!! :cantbeli:

[NcDeuce]

too picky about the food!!

What's with the people that throw Tabasco on everything?????

[Dmitri]

Didn't you ever eat MRE? Some of that food goes down much easier if you have some spices on it, as for me, I just swallow it as soon as I can p-)

[papasmerf]

lol I exaggerated about him being 5ft and 120 lbs. He was taller than that but probably did weigh 120lbs lol It was funny cuz he was small and he still had that kids look but he was acting with me like a 6'5" 250lbs macho lmao Well, them trying to survive by being arrogant to others is not a good way to influence people, if the guy wasn't in the uniform I would've probably hooked him.

[papasmerf]

The only thing I hate about MREs is that damn peanut butter... peanut butter, it's everywhere...

Oh, those who will attemp on eating MRE, make sure you drink lots of fluids after you're done, unless you want to know what it feels like to give birth of course lmao

[farmgirl]

The only thing I hate about MREs is that damn peanut butter... peanut butter, it's everywhere...

Oh, those who will attemp on eating MRE, make sure you drink lots of fluids after you're done, unless you want to know what it feels like to give birth of course lmao


Trust me when I say that no matter how badly constipated you were papasmerf.... it was nothing like giving birth....

my son weighed 10# and his head was 15.5 inches around at birth. He looked like he was about 5 months old. It was no picnic!!!!
Give me an MRE...... ;)

[papasmerf]

The only thing I hate about MREs is that damn peanut butter... peanut butter, it's everywhere...

Oh, those who will attemp on eating MRE, make sure you drink lots of fluids after you're done, unless you want to know what it feels like to give birth of course lmao


Trust me when I say that no matter how badly constipated you were papasmerf.... it was nothing like giving birth....

my son weighed 10# and his head was 15.5 inches around at birth. He looked like he was about 5 months old. It was no picnic!!!!
Give me an MRE...... ;)

LMAO rofl

[pAt]

just woundering...what are your requiremnets for attending airborne school in the USA?

[Fox2]

I think all SF are capable of conducting a maritime operation, SEALs just do more of it.
There's a difference between a maritime operation and diving...

How about we let our buddy Deuterium enlighten us on this issue...
Okay, I'll try and make it more clear; maritime is basically everything on or in the water... So that includes boats etc. etc. I'm fairly sure all SOF are trained in at least some way for this.

Diving however (at least in the Netherlands) is of course a somewhat different story as it involves a lot of specialised training.. and as far as I know not all SOF operators (except SEALs and FR if I remember correctly) are scuba-trained. That doesn't mean there's no divers in army SF tho, it just means that not all of them are dive-trained.

Right? (I'm not 100% sure since I don't have personal knowledge on it, but it's just the best I can do...feel free to prove me a total know-nothing on US SOF)

A quick browse of the US Army's goarmy.com reveals this interesting site:

http://www.goarmy.com/jobs/mos/mos00B.asp

So it seems that even some of the regular US Army forces have some divers in their midst! Whether this is indicative of the Army Special Forces or not, one cannot say. But I suppose if the regular infantry has some diving capability, surely the elite troops have some also?

[TriggerPuller]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)


In my school a Marine with bold head, 19 years old, 5 ft tall and under 120 pounds, just out of basic, told me I'm not tough enough when I said I don't want to join the Marines lol I don't know if this is a cultural thing for Marines to try to diss someone that wants to enlist in branch other then the Corps or some ****. When I speak with Army, Navy or Air Force recruiters, they always seem more mature then the Marine recruiters.

the marines have always had that mindset for several reasons. first of all, they have to have that attitude because they are the smallest branch and need to survive (i beleive some congressmen and some presidents over the years have tried to disband the marines) and secondly, they strive to be the best that they can be and always demand more (which also ties into survival).

thats what i think, though i may be wrong, and probably am, so trigger puller, feel free to thrash me all you want, not that you need my permission sgt! Nope you got it pretty much right on.
Nobody ever gains weight out of Marine Bootcamp. No soda,sweets or fuucking Tabasco for the 12 weeks I was there. youre not suppose to come out of boot looking like a bodybuilder.
papasmerf,as for arrogance you just dont get it but you're not expected to. We want young men who say yeah I want to be like that cause it takes a certain mindset and will to be one of us. The recruiter actually did his job well he weeded you out before you even got started he knew exactly what he was doing and at 19 he was not a recruiter he was just home on leave. And believe me he just got out of Boot after 12 weeks of hell and made it you dont think he is proud of that accomplishment? Think alittle more outside the box. I will bet you right now no joke that you will never make it to a SpecOps unit,you may make it in someones Infantry but you have the personality that will always have problems.

TP

[Salty Dog]

true

[TriggerPuller]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)Hey bro Iaint never that tired! :D

TP

P.S. Papasmurf are you a female?

[Salty Dog]

the army recruits or whatever they call them, in the army DEP, pt once a month for about a half an hour, and run about a half a mile and do some pushups. we, in the marines DEP, pt once a week or more, for about 1 and a half - 2 hours, and do far more. and why is that? because the marines strive for excellence and to always do more than others. thats what makes the marines so cocky. i don't even know if i am on topic anymore, i am sorryif i am not.

[NcDeuce]

I hate running but it's a part of military life so Bah oh well. I am going biking tomorrow after school, maybe a 10-14 miler to start the year...woohoo, spring better hurry cause I ain't waitin!

[papasmerf]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)


In my school a Marine with bold head, 19 years old, 5 ft tall and under 120 pounds, just out of basic, told me I'm not tough enough when I said I don't want to join the Marines lol I don't know if this is a cultural thing for Marines to try to diss someone that wants to enlist in branch other then the Corps or some ****. When I speak with Army, Navy or Air Force recruiters, they always seem more mature then the Marine recruiters.

the marines have always had that mindset for several reasons. first of all, they have to have that attitude because they are the smallest branch and need to survive (i beleive some congressmen and some presidents over the years have tried to disband the marines) and secondly, they strive to be the best that they can be and always demand more (which also ties into survival).

thats what i think, though i may be wrong, and probably am, so trigger puller, feel free to thrash me all you want, not that you need my permission sgt! Nope you got it pretty much right on.
Nobody ever gains weight out of Marine Bootcamp. No soda,sweets or fuucking Tabasco for the 12 weeks I was there. youre not suppose to come out of boot looking like a bodybuilder.
papasmerf,as for arrogance you just dont get it but you're not expected to. We want young men who say yeah I want to be like that cause it takes a certain mindset and will to be one of us. The recruiter actually did his job well he weeded you out before you even got started he knew exactly what he was doing and at 19 he was not a recruiter he was just home on leave. And believe me he just got out of Boot after 12 weeks of hell and made it you dont think he is proud of that accomplishment? Think alittle more outside the box. I will bet you right now no joke that you will never make it to a SpecOps unit,you may make it in someones Infantry but you have the personality that will always have problems.

TP

No you're wrong TP, it was me that weeded HIM out, he started talking to me not vice versa. You are right he was on a leave and I'm sure he was proud of what he has accomplished, or should I say too proud? Disrespecting other branch just because it isn't his branch is immature, and I never got it from the Army guys or the rest. I think there is a code that states you respect everyone in the US military not just your people. As far as your prediction goes of me not making it (funny, this comes from someone that never made it himself), you should know Nostradamus and his opinions is the last thing in my book that I'd worry about.

[papasmerf]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)Hey bro Iaint never that tired! :D

TP

P.S. Papasmurf are you a female?

No, are you looking for a lesbian partner?

[Haiw]

I hear incoming...

Wise man said: "Don't play with matches, for they may start flaming..."

[papasmerf]

the army recruits or whatever they call them, in the army DEP, pt once a month for about a half an hour, and run about a half a mile and do some pushups. we, in the marines DEP, pt once a week or more, for about 1 and a half - 2 hours, and do far more. and why is that? because the marines strive for excellence and to always do more than others. thats what makes the marines so cocky. i don't even know if i am on topic anymore, i am sorryif i am not.

Read up on De La Salle High School football team if you want to know something about excellence, my coach met these guys and described them as very respectful kids (unlike marines that I have come across). They have been undefeated for close to 12 years now but they don't talk **** about other teams just because they're this and that.

[Roger Rabbit]

Wise man said don't play with the things that look like candles but say "dynamite" on the side.

*digs bunker, gets 6 pack of chilled beer and a nice deck chair to watch for a response*

Hey Haiw wanna come join me in my bunker?


On another note then anybody who goes through any type of activity which is physically and mentally tough is going to be proud of their achievments. Secondly you should never base such an important decision on your experiences with one person.

[NcDeuce]

Oh come on, we all know who leads the way...

Rangers Lead the Way!

[Haiw]

*digs bunker, gets 6 pack of chilled beer and a nice deck chair to watch for a response*

Hey Haiw wanna come join me in my bunker?

You bet. *sets up heat shield*

[NcDeuce]

Okay, I am sorry.

I'll put my cap back on and go home...
http://www.villagehatshop.com/media/navy-ballcap-sm.gif

[papasmerf]

Okay, I am sorry.

I'll put my cap back on and go home...
http://www.villagehatshop.com/media/navy-ballcap-sm.gif

rofl

[TriggerPuller]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)Hey bro Iaint never that tired! :D

TP

P.S. Papasmurf are you a female?

No, are you looking for a lesbian partner? Oh sorry from the all the fuuckin whining you do I thought you might have been a female.....but I guess you are just a little bitch. Waa waa "unlike the Marines that Ive met" go back to sucking on whatever **** you like. You think the Marines is the only branch that does this then you are more naive or just more stupid than I thought! You bashing the Marines for our attitude is exactly what you dont like us doing to other branches, fuucking hypocrite. You know what I never bash anyone from another branch of service cause unlike you at least they had the balls to join instead of sitting around argueing what service is better. Now that Ive thought about it a little more I apologize for saying that you wouldnt make it in the Marines I should have said you wouldnt make it through Marine womans bootcamp. If you havent figured it out yet Marines are not arrogant but very proud to be part of a bigger tradition than themselves if they are not then they are not Marines. Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TP

[TriggerPuller]

[quote="MarineDEP4"][quote=papasmerf][quote=Haiw]No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)


As far as your prediction goes of me not making it (funny, this comes from someone that never made it himself), you should know Nostradamus and his opinions is the last thing in my book that I'd worry about. Nostradamus was a farce and a phoney. I believe this is who you are referring to and not me cause I spent almost 10 years in the service!

TP

[Haiw]

Would it be inpolite to ask for more? p-)

[TriggerPuller]

Would it be inpolite to ask for more? p-)Huh? More what?

TP

[Haiw]

More-reaming-the-kiddo... Tho' I'm normally not a 'fan' of flaming this one was quite fun to watch, especially as he had it coming... :)

[TriggerPuller]

More-reaming-the-kiddo... Tho' I'm normally not a 'fan' of flaming this one was quite fun to watch, especially as he had it coming... :) He is just naive to what it takes and why we are the way we are. But people with thin skin usually are! What does he think someone is gonna say to him when he says to them Im gonna join such and such branch and probably with an attitude too, it's more of a defense mechanism for us than anything! We were all young once hell learn oneday........hopefully!!!!!!!!!!!!

TP

[Dmitri]

TP, weren't you ever a drill srgt? If not, you sure as hell should be one :D I think just your presence alone would set everyone on a narrow path in a matter of hours, not even mentioning some resting positions like front lean :lol:

[papasmerf]

No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)Hey bro Iaint never that tired! :D

TP

P.S. Papasmurf are you a female?

No, are you looking for a lesbian partner? Oh sorry from the all the fuuckin whining you do I thought you might have been a female.....but I guess you are just a little bitch. Waa waa "unlike the Marines that Ive met" go back to sucking on whatever **** you like. You think the Marines is the only branch that does this then you are more naive or just more stupid than I thought! You bashing the Marines for our attitude is exactly what you dont like us doing to other branches, fuucking hypocrite. You know what I never bash anyone from another branch of service cause unlike you at least they had the balls to join instead of sitting around argueing what service is better. Now that Ive thought about it a little more I apologize for saying that you wouldnt make it in the Marines I should have said you wouldnt make it through Marine womans bootcamp. If you havent figured it out yet Marines are not arrogant but very proud to be part of a bigger tradition than themselves if they are not then they are not Marines. Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TP

It's so easy to make your blood boil TP I love it, you have a hot temper no wonder you spent 10 years as a Marine handing out towels in men's shower room. Maybe I should rephrase myself because I'm not bashing the Marine Corps as a branch, I'm bashing certain Marine individuals that always tend to interupt me when I'm eating my lunch to get me to enlist, and when I tell them I'm signing up for the Navy they start with their lame jokes about U.S. sailors because I don't sign where they need me to sign. I'm critisizing them for being disrespectful towards other US military branches, something like a "defense mechanism", you punch me I'll punch you too, therefore it's you that is a hypocrite here. There is a reason why I didn't join up yet, it's called "high school diploma" in case you don't know, I want to graduate first so in few years I don't become a dumb bitch ass loser like yourself. And where am I arguing which service is better genious? Anyway, I'm really disappointed I wouldn't make it through a Marine woman's boot camp :( I'm happy you made through it though TP :D

[papasmerf]

[quote=MarineDEP4][quote=papasmerf][quote=Haiw]No, it's what they say when they're too tired to whoops someone's ass... p-)


As far as your prediction goes of me not making it (funny, this comes from someone that never made it himself), you should know Nostradamus and his opinions is the last thing in my book that I'd worry about. Nostradamus was a farce and a phoney. I believe this is who you are referring to and not me cause I spent almost 10 years in the service!

TP

Amazing...

[papasmerf]

More-reaming-the-kiddo... Tho' I'm normally not a 'fan' of flaming this one was quite fun to watch, especially as he had it coming... :) He is just naive to what it takes and why we are the way we are. But people with thin skin usually are! What does he think someone is gonna say to him when he says to them Im gonna join such and such branch and probably with an attitude too, it's more of a defense mechanism for us than anything! We were all young once hell learn oneday........hopefully!!!!!!!!!!!!

TP

Me giving a marine attitude? Wow, not only you can see the future, but you can see the past too! Dude, you are better then Nostradamus and Miss Cleo combined, truly amazing.

[Haiw]

First wise man said: "Don't play with matches, for they may start flaming..."
Second wise man said: "After the matches burnt you, it's better to stop playing..."

[Beowulf]

papasmerf: I'm going to suggest that you show a little respect to those that have done what you aspire to do. From what I know about TP, you should be asking him questions and trying to learn from him instead of running your suck about how a marine hurt your feelings.

Now, young soldiers are annoying about bashing the other branches, but it just comes from pride in your unit/branch/yourself. It's just what we do, and when it comes time to work together and complete the mission we do. I've lived/trained/operated with numerous foreign and US units. We gave each other a hard time occasionally but there is always mutual respect. We all did the mission and most of us came home alive and unhurt.

The point is if you're complaining b/c a marine was making fun of what you want to do then how will you handle the other similar challenges in military.

[California Joe]

Ahhhhhhhh nevermind.

[TriggerPuller]

papasmerf: I'm going to suggest that you show a little respect to those that have done what you aspire to do. From what I know about TP, you should be asking him questions and trying to learn from him instead of running your suck about how a marine hurt your feelings.

Now, young soldiers are annoying about bashing the other branches, but it just comes from pride in your unit/branch/yourself. It's just what we do, and when it comes time to work together and complete the mission we do. I've lived/trained/operated with numerous foreign and US units. We gave each other a hard time occasionally but there is always mutual respect. We all did the mission and most of us came home alive and unhurt.

The point is if you're complaining b/c a marine was making fun of what you want to do then how will you handle the other similar challenges in military. Thanks. And your last paragraph sums it all up!

TP

[Salty Dog]

the army recruits or whatever they call them, in the army DEP, pt once a month for about a half an hour, and run about a half a mile and do some pushups. we, in the marines DEP, pt once a week or more, for about 1 and a half - 2 hours, and do far more. and why is that? because the marines strive for excellence and to always do more than others. thats what makes the marines so cocky. i don't even know if i am on topic anymore, i am sorryif i am not.

Read up on De La Salle High School football team if you want to know something about excellence, my coach met these guys and described them as very respectful kids (unlike marines that I have come across). They have been undefeated for close to 12 years now but they don't talk **** about other teams just because they're this and that.

hahahah i am gonna go read up on that ****ty football team right now. thank you.

[Dmitri]

hahahah i am gonna go read up on that ****ty football team right now. thank you.
Gl and hf, and although I don't know crap about this football team, I think your arrogance is proving somebody's point... :roll:

[Salty Dog]

hahahah i am gonna go read up on that ****ty football team right now. thank you.
Gl and hf, and although I don't know crap about this football team, I think your arrogance is proving somebody's point... :roll:

dmitri, you're mixing up arrogance with my apathy towards a highschool football team i could care less about.
i was being sarcastic because i am in highschool and i don't care about high school football. i was just getting my opinion about the attitude of marines out in the open and he starts talking about some winning football team. good for them, they are the champions hooray! once again papasmerf, there are inter service rivalries, like beowulf said, and there will always be inter service rivalries, but that doesn't mean that all branches hate eachother, because we're all on the same team, and a winning team. :D

[Dmitri]

i was being sarcastic because i am in highschool and i don't care about high school football.K, I actually thought you are in the service.

[Salty Dog]

hahaha no. i have already enlisted and am in the delayed entry program, but i graduate highschool in may and ship out to boot camp in june.

[NcDeuce]

I remember hearing about De La Salle all the time in high school, they are one of the best teams year in and year out...have any of you guys seen their school? It looks better than a lot of universities!

Either way, I don't really give a flip about high school ball out west.

[papasmerf]

hahahah i am gonna go read up on that ****ty football team right now. thank you.
Gl and hf, and although I don't know crap about this football team, I think your arrogance is proving somebody's point... :roll:

dmitri, you're mixing up arrogance with my apathy towards a highschool football team i could care less about.
i was being sarcastic because i am in highschool and i don't care about high school football. i was just getting my opinion about the attitude of marines out in the open and he starts talking about some winning football team. good for them, they are the champions hooray! once again papasmerf, there are inter service rivalries, like beowulf said, and there will always be inter service rivalries, but that doesn't mean that all branches hate eachother, because we're all on the same team, and a winning team. :D

It's not about a high school football team, it's about excellence that you've mentioned before in your post.

[papasmerf]

papasmerf: I'm going to suggest that you show a little respect to those that have done what you aspire to do. From what I know about TP, you should be asking him questions and trying to learn from him instead of running your suck about how a marine hurt your feelings.

Now, young soldiers are annoying about bashing the other branches, but it just comes from pride in your unit/branch/yourself. It's just what we do, and when it comes time to work together and complete the mission we do. I've lived/trained/operated with numerous foreign and US units. We gave each other a hard time occasionally but there is always mutual respect. We all did the mission and most of us came home alive and unhurt.

The point is if you're complaining b/c a marine was making fun of what you want to do then how will you handle the other similar challenges in military.

TP hasn't done what I aspire to do. We had a little fist fight yes, but I respect TP and his branch. I'm always up to make peace, so it's up to you TriggerPuller if you want that peace. If you're wondering how will I handle other challenges in military B, I'll tell you I'll handle them just the way I handled the situation with that young Marine. We made fun of each other and then we shook hands when the bell rang.

[Beowulf]

Ahhhhhhhh nevermind.
huh?

[Haiw]

If you're wondering how will I handle other challenges in military B, I'll tell you I'll handle them just the way I handled the situation with that young Marine. We made fun of each other and then we shook hands when the bell rang.
You wanna shake hands with the drill instructor when you gotta get your face in the mud? :lol:

[Argyll]

I think someones gonna have a hard time in Basic!!
Papasmerf,one thing you learn in basic is to keep that flap shut,and do as your told,listen attentativly,learn,and show respect,and with the Grace of God you might just get through basic!
Youre right about TP not doing what you "aspire" to do,he's done more,ten times more,hes's a bona fide warrior,who's BTDT,got more ribbons on his chest than you got spots!Been in more hurt than you'll ever be,I think you owe the man ,who incidently served his country to allow you to keep your freedom,that all you young kids shout out so much about these days,he's taken incoming when you were stirring coffee with your 1st "*****".
I personally think you owe that man an apology,because it's guys like him who are going to make your life hell when you go to basic,and if you cannot take it on the chin,and accept it,then you're just going to be another wannabe.

[papasmerf]

If you're wondering how will I handle other challenges in military B, I'll tell you I'll handle them just the way I handled the situation with that young Marine. We made fun of each other and then we shook hands when the bell rang.
You wanna shake hands with the drill instructor when you gotta get your face in the mud? :lol:

How did you know I love mud fights p-)

[papasmerf]

I think someones gonna have a hard time in Basic!!
Papasmerf,one thing you learn in basic is to keep that flap shut,and do as your told,listen attentativly,learn,and show respect,and with the Grace of God you might just get through basic!
Youre right about TP not doing what you "aspire" to do,he's done more,ten times more,hes's a bona fide warrior,who's BTDT,got more ribbons on his chest than you got spots!Been in more hurt than you'll ever be,I think you owe the man ,who incidently served his country to allow you to keep your freedom,that all you young kids shout out so much about these days,he's taken incoming when you were stirring coffee with your 1st "*****".
I personally think you owe that man an apology,because it's guys like him who are going to make your life hell when you go to basic,and if you cannot take it on the chin,and accept it,then you're just going to be another wannabe.

I forgot when was the last time I cared what you personally thought Argyll... I'm a man enough to admit when I'm wrong, I can see where TP is coming from, I hope you can see where I'm coming from too TP. Anyway, my apology.

[Dmitri]

I think someones gonna have a hard time in Basic!!
I think he'll be just fine. Tell me who doesn't have hard time in basic, and also one really has to be just about retarded with muscle astrophy not to make it.

[Argyll]

Ah I see you haven't earned respect
Well I'm willing to bet that you'll never see a team room,other than to swab it out as your mouth is your problem!!Oh and at 18 your not a man yet unless you served !!
and I'm pretty sure TP was being pretty serious and not having some friendly banter,you pretty much insulted him and for what he's done in his life,you can insult me for all I care but I'm no wannabe Spec Ops kid,I've done my time and took the incoming,you got soo much to learn!!

[Guttorm]

Ah damn... I thought this thread was about SF stuff... Turns out, it's just some kiddo telling older and more experienced people to STFU... :|

I would NEVER have the nerve to talk back to ANYONE that has more experience then me in said subject...

hmmm...

Any beer left in that bunker?

[California Joe]

Ahhhhhhhh nevermind.
huh?

I wrote something tht echoed your sentiments in a less classy way, although I did use the term "sphincter". I decided it wasn't worth it as it would fall on deaf ears so I edited it to ahhhhhhhhhhh nevermind. Sorry for the confusion oh epic hero type guy.

Your pal, me.

[Haiw]

Any beer left in that bunker?
There's some beer left, but it seems like there's no more game to watch :(

Wise man says: 'High-school kid should not lecture teacher on how to educate them...'

[TriggerPuller]

Dmitri, no DI here those guys are too squared away for me. It amazes me how many young people aspire to want to be some sort of SpecOps warrior. I was guilty of this myself but pretty much accomplished my goals. If you want to be a hardcore MOFO and get to yell at people all day to make them better warriors, aspire to be one of these great teachers. I feel that I have BTDT for the most part but my hat really goes off to those guys for teaching us the proper way to be proud of being what we are.......U.S. Marines!!!!!!!!!!! Even I when I come across an old timer know when to STFU and listen when these men talk. These are the guys who I listened too while growing up for I didnt have all these internet sites and books to learn from, I knew I wanted to be a Marine and just did it.

Papasmerf it's pretty easy to argue with me from where you are at but I guarantee if you saw me in person you would sit there and listen if not I would pretty much work you! But no worries I was young once too,apology accepted! Later

Argyll, Haiw et all that were on my side while I was unable to be here you men are good people. If Iam ever in your AO or you mine beer is on me. take care. Beowolf(sp?)you included bro!!!!

TP

P.S. my best friend and former Force Recon Marine just got back today from Iraq so youve caught me in a good mood!!

[ibstolidude]

Beowolf(sp?)you included bro!!!!
-Beowulf is a pole-smoker. <edited but I am a typing retard>

I mean don't get me wrong...he is a great guy, hopefully he will continue his career path.

I'm just saying he smokes alot of pole.
..not there is anything wrong with that, if you are a pole-smoker.

Speaking of which I owe an email.

[Dmitri]

Dmitri, no DI here those guys are too squared away for me.Still though, you should have been one, you got some talent. Those guys usually don't come squared away anyway, and with your amazing ability to establish a reputation in a place (like here ;) ) recruits would be scared sh#tless from the first day do even think about putting our less than 100% :P
By the way, wish me good luck, tomorrow I'm going to Ft. Gillem in Atlanta for an interview. I'm trying to get into Long Range Surveillence Company there, which is part of the First Army Headquaters and Military Intelligence batallion. They usually would only consider you if you already had Airborne school, but since they just came back from Iraq, I guess they need some fresh blood. woot Some of the requirements were 110 on GT, 240 on PT, and suppose to be Abn for everyone and Ranger for E-5 and above.
Got my boots shined, uniform pressed, and a whole list of what I'm gonna say to their 1st Sgt :D Just hope I make it...

[Trigger]

Good luck Dmitri woot

[Haiw]

All best...you'll propably need it :)

[TriggerPuller]

Dmitri, no DI here those guys are too squared away for me.Still though, you should have been one, you got some talent. Those guys usually don't come squared away anyway, and with your amazing ability to establish a reputation in a place (like here ;) ) recruits would be scared sh#tless from the first day do even think about putting our less than 100% :P
By the way, wish me good luck, tomorrow I'm going to Ft. Gillem in Atlanta for an interview. I'm trying to get into Long Range Surveillence Company there, which is part of the First Army Headquaters and Military Intelligence batallion. They usually would only consider you if you already had Airborne school, but since they just came back from Iraq, I guess they need some fresh blood. woot Some of the requirements were 110 on GT, 240 on PT, and suppose to be Abn for everyone and Ranger for E-5 and above.
Got my boots shined, uniform pressed, and a whole list of what I'm gonna say to their 1st Sgt :D Just hope I make it...Well my son is scared ****less of me!!LOL Good luck LRS is a good place to be.

TP

[papasmerf]

Since you like to bet so much Argyll, I suggest we take a trip to Atlantic City someday and gamble a bit. Do you really think what you say about me will have any effect on my personal life or how well I will do in the military? Because from what I see you must really think I give a flying about your opinions or beliefs. The truth is, I don't take people seriously enough on the internet because well, it is internet and there's too many GI phoneys around for me to drop down and push out 50 whenever someone says he's a BTDT. Do I doubt TP being a Marine? Not necessarily, but I just can't take him as serious as I would in real life because he is nothing to me but just a someone behind a keyboard typing messages just like me. I could change my account's name and be a nuclear submarine commander if I played the game well enough for all I know. Trust me I appreciate people like TP and what they do, a US soldier was my hero when my friends' heroes were Batman and Superman. I admire TP for having more ribbons on his chest then spots and for being in pain that I'll never in my life will feel, whatever he does he must be some kind of medal of honor soldier! *JOKE* I never served in a military uniform but that doesn't mean I didn't serve in some way. I serve my city as a volunteer firefighter, right now the only thing that I'm not allowed to do is go inside burning houses but that will all change in a month. I'm a part of something, I work with some awesome people, they are professionals at what they do and I learn a lot from them. They are the people I care to hear from about my attitude and chances in life, not from you or anyone else on this forum Argyll. I don't know if I'll ever be successful, I can do everything perfect but I believe it's up to God and how he will lay down his cards for me, but as of right now it's looking very good which is probably sad news for you p-)


TP, like I said before, I hope you can see where I'm coming from, I too listen to people here where I'm growing up just like you did, and ignore those on the internet, unless you have a good reason why I shouldn't ignore.


Dmitri, thank you for understanding me. I wish you the best of luck with your career.

[California Joe]

You're a dumbass. But you'll grow out of it. Good luck.

[papasmerf]

You're a dumbass. But you'll grow out of it. Good luck.

I knew that was coming frlom you Joe rofl

[Trigger]

papazit doesn't care what you say Joe, but apparently he thinks people care what he says. :roll:

[Beowulf]

he's taken incoming when you were stirring coffee with your 1st "*****".

Classic.
Cheers mate,
-b

[Beowulf]

P.S. I only smoke pole for blow......

[Haiw]

Wise man said: 'Some people make faults and then learn. Some stupid donkey makes fault three times before he learns. Donkey smarter than papasmerf.'

[Salty Dog]

shut up Haiw, you're on the internet, and naturally, like any normal person, i don't take you seriously.

[Haiw]

...says the guy with a dancing racoon in his signature... p-)

[ibstolidude]

...says the guy with a dancing racoon in his signature... p-)
syas the guytht has an infant with an attitude problem for his avatar.... p-)

[TriggerPuller]

...says the guy with a dancing racoon in his signature... p-)
syas the guytht has an infant with an attitude problem for his avatar.... p-) Attitude hell Ive been telling people that some of us are just born plain nasty. My Mom says that when I came out that "I" slapped the Doctor! :D

TP

[Haiw]

I came out ass-first. Born a rebel... p-)

[ibstolidude]

I came out ass-first. Born a rebel... p-)
that explains why you've been walking on your hands and thinking with the wrong end all these years.

[Haiw]

True, but me having my head up my arse cancelled out the effect of that...

[NcDeuce]

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks1.jpg

[Salty Dog]

good to know tf160soar.

[18C4V]

Hey guys, I'd like to purchase a book about US Army Special Forces explaining a Green Beret selection and training. I know quite a bit as far as Navy's BUD/S go, but that's about it. I'm very interested in knowing what a trainee has to go through to become a Green Beret, how long it is, what are the instructors like, what's the culture like etc. you get the point. I'd like to hear from people who know of books like that, thank you.

There's not too many books out there that go into detail about SFAS or the SFQC. The few that come to my mind are "The Commando's" briefly talks about phase 4 (robin sage), "The Company they Keep" talks briefly about SFAS. There's quite a few video's from the history channel that talk about the SFQC.

As for training, are you referring to the 18X program or the in-service one?

If you can remember the 3 L's you'll do fine. Don't be last, Don't be lost, and Don't be light. Above all be "The Greyman"

[papasmerf]

good to know tf160soar.


lol

[papasmerf]

Hey guys, I'd like to purchase a book about US Army Special Forces explaining a Green Beret selection and training. I know quite a bit as far as Navy's BUD/S go, but that's about it. I'm very interested in knowing what a trainee has to go through to become a Green Beret, how long it is, what are the instructors like, what's the culture like etc. you get the point. I'd like to hear from people who know of books like that, thank you.

There's not too many books out there that go into detail about SFAS or the SFQC. The few that come to my mind are "The Commando's" briefly talks about phase 4 (robin sage), "The Company they Keep" talks briefly about SFAS. There's quite a few video's from the history channel that talk about the SFQC.

As for training, are you referring to the 18X program or the in-service one?

If you can remember the 3 L's you'll do fine. Don't be last, Don't be lost, and Don't be light. Above all be "The Greyman"

Thanks bud. I'm interested in everything that's out there, 18x and the in-service, so I'll checks those books out. I heard about the 3 L's, you can get dropped from the training for always being the first one to sit and the last one to get up, I'll definitely keep that in mind.

[Apogee]

good to know tf160soar.

seriously? whats up with the freaking blank posts? that just clutters the board. same goes for posts that are just a smiley face. That adds no value to the discussion.

[Haiw]

Well it's not like this thread is a prime example of good discussion anyway...

[papasmerf]

Well it's not like this thread is a prime example of good discussion anyway...

This thread should be about books not fighting.

[Haiw]

...says the guy who's the reason for the fighting. *whistles*

[papasmerf]

Yup but not all SF is divers right? So if you're not sleeping with your scuba gear on while wanking off to a diving manual you're best bet would be the army right?Nope.....Marines! :D

TP


I'd never join the Marines lol I don't like their uniforms rofl Dont worry you couldnt hack it anyway!!

TP


Cry me a river now.

[Haiw]

Wise man said: 'Wise man wasting no more time on hopeless effort'