Which country has the best camo?

[Gauntlet]

My vote goes to Sweden. I heard so many good things about their camo.
I think I saw one photo where they said there was an Coastal Ranger Sniper in it, I still can't spot that sniper!

[mustamato]

Yeah I like the swedish m/90 too.

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/003.jpg

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/008.jpg

[ChuckThunder]

My vote goes to Sweden. I heard so many good things about their camo.
I think I saw one photo where they said there was an Coastal Ranger Sniper in it, I still can spot that sniper!

Yellow Stinger!

http://armynavymarinestore.com/inv_img/bduyel.jpg

rofl

[mustamato]

No one voting for the belgian camp? :)

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10202

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10190

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10192

Very gayish.

[Uncle Sam]

I'd say, Animal Country...


It looks like a leaf. But oh no...It's really a Frog...wow
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/animal-camouflage-1.jpg

[Dalleer]

Well, I've got several "favorite" camouflage patterns but the Swedish M/90 has to be the one and only. The M/90 works well in several areas and the pattern just somehow beats our (read: Finnish) camouflage by it's sharp edges.

Then again the patterns with small spots in them tend to work well in my opinion as well, patterns such as the Flecktarn, Danish M/84 (?) , CADPAT, MARPAT etc.

But, the camouflage that you should never wear is by close the black BDU that somehow has grown very popular on some airsoft-circles.

The black BDU's tend to work for a few hours of the night, but in the summer time the use of black BDU's on woodland-areas doesn't work at all, not to mention how "dark" the Finnish summer nights can get sometimes...

OD green is great as well, perhaps it would even work better than a camouflage pattern sometimes, depending on the area of course.


Here's a short list on some of the camouflage patterns that I have tried or currently have a set of in my closet(s):

German Flecktarn

US Woodland

East German "Strichtarn"

Swedish M/90

OD green

Unknown "Lizard"-type camouflage (it's been speculated that it might be French)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Theres plenty of good camoflauge out there most of it is up to the user to decide whats best for what situation.
I personally use Tigerstripe, its really hard for the eye to pick up. Especially if you blend the "Asian" Tigerstripe against the "advisor" Tigerstripe. Theres also the Russian Kamysh, its a Russian version of Tigerstripe. Although I havent seen it in person from what I have seen it should match the US Tigerstripe. I havent seen any sort of "lizard" flauge, some say this may be comparable to tigerstripe but is more for Europe settings.

I myself have used just plain black, not just a bdu but just plain black clothes. It can be used but the user has to be really concious of were he/she is positioned all the time. In dense forests it can be used effectively, but obviously if your caught out in the open your a sitting duck.

Of course there is the digital camoflauge, I havent had any personal experience with this type of camoflauge but it works quite effectively.

In the end there is no best camoflauge, it will not make you invisible. It is a tool just like anything else, if the user knows how to use the tool properly he will be effectively hidden. If not well he/she will stick out like a sore thumb.

[Gauntlet]

No one voting for the belgian camp? :)

http://www.mil.be/armycomp/view_gall_large.asp?ID=10202
Very gayish.

I'm sorry all my Flemish people but....
rofl

On another topic:
Yes I believe M90 is the coolest. It blends well with the surrounding and its made up of polygons instead of "blobs" like in most camo.
By the way, I saw this crazy camoflague that I saw, Its basicly made of blocks like a poor image quaility picture with all the pixals. At first I thought it was a crazy fasion until I saw some soldier wearing them when I was on Base getting my Military ID. Is it a real design of camo or some fasion flook?

[Dalleer]

I'd say that the Belgian camo is "different" and might suit the Belgian countryside very well but somehow it indeed seems a bit...

In any case, I like the Belgian camo. See here, I don't indiscriminate camo patterns either!

[Glock]

I like the British Camo.
gratings leo

[Falco]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/wallpaper/CADPAT3man640x480.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9004.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9003.jpg

[REMOV]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!

[Rantanplan]

rofl

[Smintjes]

Long live the Belgian jigsaw pattern! woot


Anyway, I don't think that there is ONE great wondercamo out there, you should just look at the terrain in which you will want to "disappear".

The sets I have hanging in the closet are:

Flecktarn
Wustentarn
Danish M84 --> my favourite
Austrian "pea" pattern
BGS-tarn
Splintertarn
Tiger Stripe
US 3-color desert
US 6-color desert
Belgian jigsaw (only trousers)
Belgian Air Commando-camo (looks like flecktarn, only a tad lighter)
MARPAT
CADPAT

Looking for: M90

[Gauntlet]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

[Gauntlet]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!

Syrian commanders: "We want our soldiers to be faaaaaaabilous!" ;)

[Bartok5]

The best camo is simply the one that does the best job of breaking up the human form in relation to your natural or artificial surroundings at a specific time and place. There is no "magic camo bullet" which works in all different geographical locales, during all seasons, and all lighting conditions. Some are certainly more versatile than others, but none are are "all singing, all dancing".

Check out my web-site for a look at a modest array of what is available out there. Bear in mind that my personal collection merely scratches the surface. There are quite literally 1000's of other patterns floating around out there. Until someone builds a better mousetrap such as a truely "adaptive camo uniform" with photosensor-triggered color changes, we will be stuck with "static" patterns which perform to varying degrees of effectiveness.

There is no "Best" camo out there right now, unless you are willing to make your judgement based on a very specific set of criteria with defined geography, vegetation, season, weather, and lighting conditions. Otherwise, picking the "best" amounts to nothing more than a game of "this camo is cooler looking that that one".

Just some food for thought, from someone with an evident interest in the matter of clothing-based individual concealment....

Here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/canuck_infantry/INDEX.html

[pAt]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see them

[Falco]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|

[pAt]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|


hehe i could get some real cadpat if i wanted too

[Falco]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|


hehe i could get some real cadpat if i wanted too

A part from joining the CF it's pretty hard to find the real mackoy in surplus stores. In fact, it's illegal for them to sell it to you.

[BT_Recon]

argh - quoting quotes is busting my balls.

being an aussie, i'd normally say "Auscam" but:

i like CADPAT, Flektarn and the three colour bdu desert cam.

[Marxist203]

Daves Army Surplus in New Westminster, B.C. has a ton of Cadpat, and that imitation stuff and even some Marpat. Dont have any real cadpat as its expensive, but the imitation stuff is pretty cheap and looks cool too ;)

[Smintjes]

If even I can get a Frontenac-set into Belgium, it can't be that hard to find ;-)

[Guttorm]

I'd have to say all the digital patterns out there are quite impressive.

I haven't seen a camo that blends better then the marpat/cadpat.

Isn't there a desert version of marpat?

[REMOV]

Isn't there a desert version of marpat?Sure.

http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/1.jpg
http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/coat_d.jpg
http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/gcover_d.jpg
http://www.recon.inten.pl/equip/marpat/fcover_d.jpg

[RobT]

British DPM ;)

[pAt]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif


Impressive. All the little small changes and small streaks seems to make an awsome camo

yep CADPAT is designed to disrupped nightvision so its harder for the person with night vision to see themToo bad it's so hard to get your hands on it :|


hehe i could get some real cadpat if i wanted too

A part from joining the CF it's pretty hard to find the real mackoy in surplus stores. In fact, it's illegal for them to sell it to you.


hehe i know a bunch of people that work in the back of the QM!

[glofs]

Btw, here are some camouflage-links for inspiration:

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/index.asp
http://www.worldcamo.com/main1.htm
http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/camo_index.html

China's blue navyuniform (http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=124) is as pretty as the new US Air Force (http://federalvoice.dscc.dla.mil/federalvoice/031008/afuniform.html) one... :)

[Tygryssek]

CADPAT rules in the forests, Canadian soldiers are're invisible p-)

[Sabre]

Lads, i've got to give it to those Syrian Commandos!

No need for R&D, they wanted pink combats with little pictures on and they damn well got them. Now that's the way to go!

[fantassin]

Being hard to spot is one thing; being immediatly identified as a member of the armed forces of a specific country is another. that's why what may look like an "odd" camo (Belgium for example) is a good camo; if you meet a belgian soldier once, you never forget it !

Everybody with little money uses woodland now; so you never know if it's friend or foe, if it's shoot or hold fire. Hence, in my eyes, the necessity of peculiar camos that do hide their wearers but also mark them as members of a specific country. That limits friendly fire too...

[Chris O`Crooh]

Polish "Pantera". It works as good as Flecktarn at most distances.

I like also British DPM, Flecktarn and Jietai.

Woodland-82... sorry, not so good.

Belgian... Can anyone post pics of Belgian soldiers in woodland conditions?

[mustamato]

http://www.mil.ee/~fotek/gallery/pildid/album40/aan.sized.jpg

Don´t know if it´s the best, but the estonian camo is very nice...

[Dalleer]

http://www.mil.ee/~fotek/gallery/pildid/album40/aan.sized.jpg

I agree on the "very nice"-factor of that pattern.

I'm going to visit Estonia in the summer (if I'll have the time) and I might consider on getting a set of this "Estonian camouflage" if it's sold commercially there.

[Smintjes]

Belgian... Can anyone post pics of Belgian soldiers in woodland conditions?

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=6535

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=5183

http://www.mil.be/vchod/view_gall_large.asp?ID=8046

[Falco]

If even I can get a Frontenac-set into Belgium, it can't be that hard to find ;-)

The real stuff is ;)

[MapleLeafInfantry]

Lookin for cadpat SWAG eh.....
i recently just got issued the stuff, (however 33cbg's qm's in the north are a little neither here nor there, however i hear its that way accross Canada, so my pants are size 38(i'm a 31) but my top is nice and fitted.)

I sold off my trusty old olive drab QL3-INF NBCW bag and upgraded to a gucci cadpat one, you can pick them, and a lot of other woodland cadpat products(authentic pattern), as well as olive drab, and some black
from Canadian Peacekeeper, they have everything form camelbacks, packs, frotenac uniforms, tons of great field gear, and a whole lot of over priced junk for new officers and the parents of wealthy cadets. Lots of mouth watering stuff found here... however no desert pattern as of yet.
http://www.canadianpeacekeeper.com
Another site I found interesting, b/c it offers some imitation desert cadpat(a first) and many american products in Cadpat is Seals Action Gear
they have this Cadpat fleece toque I am interested in, any of you who have worn the CF toque understand why.
http://www.sealsactiongear.com/
HOWEVER the tac vest they sell is not the new one from the clothe the soldier proj.


as for the nuke bag, I'm gonna sew on my old school fat olive drab name tags and the 33 LIB tag on it that I got at EX SG 03

hope this helps
mli

[DeltaWhisky58]

Hi All

I visited a Belgian military base in July '02. Sucirity was provided by Belgian Para-commandos wearing the standard pattern of cammo gear. These guys were all over the base which is very heavily wooded (mixed conifers/broadleaf) and IMO the camo pattern was very effective for that environment, however I would have doubts about its effectiveness in wider use, i.e. outside Belgium.

[Sabre]

Cant believe that there is a Polish 'PANTERA' pattern camouflage!

I also can't believe that you can buy this:

http://www.wheelersonline.com/images/CPProducts/5019lg.JPG

BTW, it straps to your dog to hold 6x beer cans...

BTWx2, yes, I have just realised that this was on another thread...D'oh!

[memphiz]

CADPAT AR is really cool, and i have been looking for pics of it but the sites down, so when its back up ill post some

[USMarine3521]

my vote would go to the MCCUU (marpat) or cadpat.

i think the MCCUU's better than cadpat because of the slanted pockets and the arm pockets and doesnt it also have pad inserts for the knees and elbow?? and of course the EGA! ( doesnt the cadpat have the maple leaf on it?)

edit: i guess the cadpat also has slanted pockets.

[Chris O`Crooh]

Sabre wrote:
Cant believe that there is a Polish 'PANTERA' pattern camouflage

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/details.asp?autono=24

A "woodland" type camouflage in 4 colours: light green, dark green, brown and black. The pattern is called "Pantera" (panther) by the Polish Army.

EOT.

[REMOV]

Cant believe that there is a Polish 'PANTERA' pattern camouflage!But why? ;)

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/formoza/06.jpg

[Guttorm]

Not sure if theres one posted yet, but heres the Norwegian cammo.

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00033/samlet_33627a.jpg

[pAt]

CADPAT AR is really cool, and i have been looking for pics of it but the sites down, so when its back up ill post some


ive seen on another fourm we are getting CADPAT winter camo now...i'd send the link but i cant access the fourms right now

[Swed]

Swedish M90, Need i say more?? :D

[Hadoken]

I'm going to have to say Danish M84 pattern looks the best to me.

However I'm also a big fan of Swedish M90, Polish M93 Pantera and the newer Vzor 95 Czech camouflage (http://www.nato.int/pictures/database/large/b00380.jpg)

[Falco]

ive seen on another fourm we are getting CADPAT winter camo now...i'd send the link but i cant access the fourms right now

Winter Cadpat?? I'd like to see pictures of it.

[memphiz]

CADPAT AR
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B020AD.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B018A.jpg
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B015A.jpg[/quote]

[Falco]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/HiRes/%212003/102903/KA2003-B018A.jpg

Gotta love his mustache

[M1A2U2]

Either italian desert or danish desert

[The thing]

(1) Australian both home and desert,
(2) Swedish,
(3) All digital USMC, Canada, Germany, Finland, Denmark, Japan,
(4) France and Ireland, (including french desert),
(5) British, Dutch, New Zealand, Nepalese DPM,
(6) Us woodland and desert, former USMC urban cammo,
(7) South Africa,
(8) Norwegian,
(9) Italian desert,
(10) Polish,

These are listed from 1-10 based on how nice they look, however this does not cover the performance of the uniform or the quality.
From experience I would say that the German and Irish uniforms are to a very high quality, perhaps being the best made uniforms in the world thanks to the company that makes them, namely Arktis, there is my two cents on the whole issue!

[pretorian669]

ISRAELI WOODLAND CAMO


http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03203.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03208.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03209.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03199.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc03200.jpg

[Zeus]

Winter CADPAT is quite effective; however, it does not look anything like you would expect. Instead of being a relish-like digital pattern, it is primarily flat white with large, sharp darker gray areas. The gray looks much like a shadow and can be confusing to the eye. I'm not sure if there are pictures of it available on the internet now, but I'm sure that if there is someone here will dig it up. :)

[panzerfaust]

I like the Autumn Oakleaf pattern of the Waffen SS
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerIII/hood.jpg
the plane tree pattern is cool too.
http://members.shaw.ca/panzeriii/smock.jpg

and the blurred edge...
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerIII/parkanohood.jpg

["sniper" tom]

http://www.nato.int/shape/graphics/2003/031121/s031121c.jpg
http://www.nato.int/pictures/2003/031120b/b031120ax.jpg
http://www.hqmndc.org/history%20as%20web%20size/2001-165/Artfull%20Issue%202001-

belgian camo is very different then other camo's but its really good in most landscapes !
but you cant have a camo for every landscape so, US camo is better for that, UK camo is better for this , belgian camo is better for that, en so one..

and belgian camo gay ? :fork:

[haze99]

:lol: How about the USAF blue tiger stripe? They are still testing out!
It should work well on the moons of Endor!

[hedgehog]

I really hate what they got for the Candian forces. I saw it up close when I was in Barrie before Christmas. I guess the guy came from Borden CFB. I can't believe they couldn't get a pattern computer that could calculate spline curves..I mean really..squares? They should have just gone for Woodland or maybe that Danish stuff. Squares... someone probably said.."let's make someting that noone else has so we can spend more money"

[Dalleer]

They should have just gone for Woodland or maybe that Danish stuff

So you think that CADPAT is not acceptable for the Canadian forces?

I think that the CADPAT-style patterns are certainly a new revolution, not to mention that Flecktarn and the Danish stuff (or, anything with a small printed pattern in it) tends to work good as well.

It's just that some of the big patterned camouflage tends to be easily Noticeable in certain situations, referring to US Woodland for an example.

I've tried to study the various blending factors of the various camouflage patterns at my disposal at the moment, especially the differences between the Flecktarn and the Danish M/84 and must say that in many cases they work alot better than the big-patterned ones.

Note that this is just something I've done as a amateur.

EDIT: something wrong with the lining on the writing...

[panzerfaust]

http://www.nato.int/shape/graphics/2003/031121/s031121c.jpg

http://members.shaw.ca/jadgtiger/iticammo.jpg

that stuff reminds me of Italian Tarnmuster http://members.shaw.ca/hetzer/M%3aU%3aG/hfp.gif

[Dalleer]

http://www.thuringenmilitaria.com/pictures/italiancap.jpg

An unknown (to me) Italian camouflage pattern shown here. But, what interests to me greatly is that this thing looks somewhat similar to our M/62 and M/91 "Viking" patterns.

EDIT: Found a picture of the jacket as well

http://www.thuringenmilitaria.com/pictures/italiancamo.jpg

------

http://www.teres.fi/erna/1998/valokuvat/kuvat/erna-98-33.jpg

The jacket that this man is wearing, is of the older M/62 "Viking" fabric but his wearing the M/91 trousers...

["sniper" tom]

panzerfaust wrote that stuff reminds me of Italian Tarnmuster http://www.nato.int/shape/graphics/2003/031121/s031121c.jpg
what do you mean?

[panzerfaust]

well the size of the coloured shapes and the pallet of hues is similar- I didn't say they were the same just that it reminded me of the broad shaped Italian stuff from WWII. It is different than the usual cammo patterns which are very "busy" visually- which have smaller shapes to the pattern and more harmonious colour groupings. To me these Belguim cammo's have that broad large shaped look to them-

[4LPH4 B3T4]

My vote goes to the M84 camo.
http://www.battlefront.com/resources/poc/_poc_images/full/denmark.jpghttp://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/danishm84/daccj1na500b.jpg

["sniper" tom]

panzerfaust wrote well the size of the coloured shapes and the pallet of hues is similar- I didn't say they were the same just that it reminded me of the broad shaped Italian stuff from WWII. It is different than the usual cammo patterns which are very "busy" visually- which have smaller shapes to the pattern and more harmonious colour groupings. To me these Belguim cammo's have that broad large shaped look to them-

i didn't understand it at first but now i do, so thanks for explaining

[pAt]

I really hate what they got for the Candian forces. I saw it up close when I was in Barrie before Christmas. I guess the guy came from Borden CFB. I can't believe they couldn't get a pattern computer that could calculate spline curves..I mean really..squares? They should have just gone for Woodland or maybe that Danish stuff. Squares... someone probably said.."let's make someting that noone else has so we can spend more money"

mmm..they work alot better than the old OD's the Canadian forces have

[Dennis79]

Don't know who these guys are but it looks great.

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/2rei-46.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige66534.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/3-6.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige6544.JPG
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige545.jpg

[F'tard]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!

[Dennis G]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!

rofl

[Vintendo]

I think the Spot type patterns are the most effective. Marpat, Cadpat, Flecktarn, Danish, Japanese.
But I think the Swedish pattern looks the coolest, regardless of effectiveness.

For uniqueness, I think the Taiwanese Marine Corp camo is very crazy looking. If anyone can find pics of it it would be cool, I'm too lazy.

[The Punk]

I think the best camo is "San Marco" the Italian Marines camo. It's imho the best compromise for almost all terrains, cause it had small, unshaped spots in various colors, green, brown, sand, black, light grey.
It works perfectly in mediterranean environment but it also works well in continental woods and also in urban.

here's a pic, sorry if it's ugly but it's me playn' airsoft... :lol:
http://album.foto.virgilio.it/MmY3NTczNjU3MjczMmY2NjZmNzQ2ZjcwNzI2NTc2Njk2NTc3MmYzMDM0MzIyZjYxMmU2YzYxNzQ2MTZlN2E2MTQwNzY2OTcyNjc2OTZjNjk2ZjJlNjk3NDJm/medium_8fbfee98eaa80422f37bbc5ee03b0571/view_foto.php

[The Punk]

Sorry, double post.

[The Punk]

Here some other pics of San Marco camo:
http://www.marina.difesa.it/attivita/incorso/babilonia/images/sanmarco/iraq/sanmarco10.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/attivita/incorso/babilonia/images/sanmarco/iraq/sanmarco18.jpg

http://album.foto.virgilio.it/MmY3NTczNjU3MjczMmY2NjZmNzQ2ZjcwNzI2NTc2Njk2NTc3MmYzMDM0MzIyZjYxMmU2YzYxNzQ2MTZlN2E2MTQwNzY2OTcyNjc2OTZjNjk2ZjJlNjk3NDJm/medium_af6204c21b9bb5298d083e1706ce5dc1/view_foto.php

These are real operators, in fact they're not ugly as me! :lol:

[MARK.TIGGER]

British Temperate DPM
British Tropical DPM
Rhodesian
Dennison smock
CADPAT temperate
MARPAT Desert
MARPAT Woodland
Tiger Stripe

2 funniest
Norweigan desert
Aussie Desert

[Balhae]

My personal preferences would be....


Golden Tiger Stripes(Vietnam Era)
M65 ERDL(Vietnam Era)
US Six-color Desert Camo
ROKA Woodland
Czech Vz. 95
British P95
JSDF Flectarn
French Middle Europe Pattern
Bundeswehre Flectarn
Russian MVD Camo


And so on......

[Midtown]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!'

That was seriously awesome they need a ****ing salute smiley for that.

[Ian H]

Don't know who these guys are but it looks great.

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/2rei-46.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige66534.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/3-6.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige6544.JPG
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige545.jpg



I think these are more photos of the French 13e RDP, a long range recon unit. Thanks for posting them, I'd only seen this one before:


http://www.hkpro.com/action6snowsd.jpg




Also, could someone please post pics of British tropical and temperate DPM, together if possible, I can't see any difference between them in the photos I've seen so far.

Thanks in advance

[Maverick77]

Canada and the U.S Marine corps

[tiger-unit]

FLORA all the way !

[tiger-unit]

FLORA all the way !


edit: sorry, double post.

[Parzival]

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

[Parzival]

My favorite kind of camo is the one hat works :)

I like the digital camo.

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/wallpaper/CADPAT3man640x480.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Image_Gallery/3Q5G9510TVB_b.gif

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9004.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/Photos/9003.jpgDigital Cammo, That´s intresting..Very god uniforms too.

[Parzival]

Whatever camo the French are using in Iraq kicks ass! You can't even see those guys!
rofl

[USMarine3521]

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

that would be the mccuu (or marpat) that the Marines use.

[Dalleer]

The MARPAT/CADPAT -styles tend to be quite effective, it seems...

[vitiaz]

Some of the new Russian patterns look interesting,

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan08.large.jpg

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_nposm_tyen201.large.jpg

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd03.large.jpg

[Dalleer]

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan08.large.jpg

I remember the Germans having a very similar looking pattern during WWII. Possibly used by the SS...

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd03.large.jpg

Looks a bit like the DPM, now doesn't it?

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_nposm_tyen201.large.jpg

And this looks interesting as well.

[MolliG]

Austrian... Simple, effective and goes with everything :)...

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/gefechtsdienst_2_768x541_1054644817.jpg

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/wald012_768x576_1067678241.jpg

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/auftrag_768x576_1054641083.jpg

Images from www.bmlv.gv.at

[vitiaz]

>I remember the Germans having a very similar looking pattern during >WWII. Possibly used by the SS...
The 'patrizan' does look very similar to the WW2 SS pattern. One of the closeups looks like the Russians 'pixelated/digitized' the pattern.

>Looks a bit like the DPM, now doesn't it?
Yep, the Russians have had their own DPM for quite awhile. The new suits looks like they have adopted the taped/Canandian style buttons too.

>And this looks interesting as well.
This is a 'digtal' version of the 'reed' pattern.

More pics are at,
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/upcoming.php

[Dalleer]

Yep, the Russians have had their own DPM for quite awhile. The new suits looks like they have adopted the taped/Canandian style buttons too.

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd02.large.jpg

Yes, it seems that the Russians have alot of their own adaptations of various other patterns...

[Marsuitor]

2 funniest
Norweigan desert
.........................
Just for reference:
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00034/Bes_k_samlet-370_34677a.jpg

Also:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/norwegian_military/kjk_tr_na_7_8955a.jpg
Fits the bill quite well IMO. Well, at least around this part of the world.

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

SS Oak (Reversible)
M90 (This is actually a digital comuflage)
Flecktarn
ERDL (Lime version)
Subdued Tigerstripe

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_sso_lmd01.large.jpg
Another pic of the new Russian modified version of the DPM
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan01.large.jpg
More new Russian Camo...seems to be the same stuff as the dude with the jacket.
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan06.large.jpg
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/camo_sso_partizan07.large.jpg
An up-close view
http://www.russiancombatgear.com/images/upcoming/bdu_nposm_tyen202.large.jpg

www.russiancombatgear.com

Stan at Russian Combat Gear is thinking about bringing some of the newer products in. Hopefully he does as the last camoflauge is quite interesting.

[Dalleer]

SS Oak (Reversible)
M90 (This is actually a digital comuflage)
Flecktarn
ERDL (Lime version)
Subdued Tigerstripe

I'm wondering, have you listed these patterns in a "the best first, the worst last"-type of a way?

And yes, the M/90 is a pretty "Digital" pattern in my view as well, despite it not being in the more "popular" pixel type...

[KalleBalleSvartSk@lle]

SS Oak (Reversible)
M90 (This is actually a digital comuflage)
Flecktarn
ERDL (Lime version)
Subdued Tigerstripe

I'm wondering, have you listed these patterns in a "the best first, the worst last"-type of a way?

And yes, the M/90 is a pretty "Digital" pattern in my view as well, despite it not being in the more "popular" pixel type...

They're ranked kind of, with the SS Oak as favourite, mostly because it's reversible, guess it was probably the best at it's time.
M90 looks nice and works nice, same for flecktarn.
I think that ERDL and subdued tiger stripe looks good aesthatically(sp?)

Hmm no one has suggested realtree and advantage or whatever they're called?

[Sixgun Symphony]

Just for reference:
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00034/Bes_k_samlet-370_34677a.jpg


IMO, plain khaki is best for a desert environment.

[Bulkowski]

http://www.mossyoakapparel.com/scms_images/main_image.jpg
Mossy Oak :D rofl

[Luxembourger]

I still prefer the US chocolate chip BDU
I also like the bundeswehr BDU

[Spearin]

Canadian CADPAT for sure. Not only is it sexy, but very effective as well!

[Vintendo]

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/image/taiwan_marines_tiger_stripe.jpg

Taiwan's Marine Corp uniform. Looks like a tigerstripe variation.

[mustamato]

http://www.livgardet.mil.se/images/local/img_1246.gif

Urbanized swedish m/90 as used by a urban warfare unit. I think it would
look nice on a uniform as well. (It has a grey colour instead of a light green).

http://www.recon.se/Sommnadsmaterial/spannen/cordura90.JPG
Ordinary m/90

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/image/taiwan_marines_tiger_stripe.jpg

Taiwan's Marine Corp uniform. Looks like a tigerstripe variation.

Tigerstripe camoflauge works well woot I love it :P

[Dalleer]

http://www.livgardet.mil.se/images/local/img_1246.gif

Urbanized swedish m/90 as used by a urban warfare unit. I think it would
look nice on a uniform as well. (It has a grey colour instead of a light green).

http://www.recon.se/Sommnadsmaterial/spannen/cordura90.JPG
Ordinary m/90

Speaking of urbanized BDU's it seems that the Swedish are not considering on making their "urban rifle squads" or their urban based forces BDU's suitable for the area like we seem to be "in the process of".

As I've said before, Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti is still researching the possibility of some sorts of urban "uniforms" that the personnel there can use. The project is named "Stadi", as it seems...

[MarineDEP4]

MARPAT, and CADPAT.

[OldRecon]

Not sure if theres one posted yet, but heres the Norwegian cammo.

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00033/samlet_33627a.jpg

Might not look like it in this pic, but our pattern of cammo clot blends remarkably well with woodland background whatever season (except winter perhaps).

[mustamato]

As I've said before, Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti is still researching the possibility of some sorts of urban "uniforms" that the personnel there can use. The project is named "Stadi", as it seems...

I have read that there was a experiment going on a couple of years ago with
a special urban warfare unit, it was "greyish". I think a platoon was equipped
with the uniform a year, but it wasn´t liked by the dudes at the HQ, mainly
because it wasn´t standardized. And everyone looking the same is a quite important
thing in Sweden obviously. About that finnish "urban camouflage uniform", I
don´t belive in the concept. Especially not in a city like Helsinki where there is
a lot of parks, and "small parks" between the houses etc. But for vehicles etc it can
probably be effective.

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90

http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_03.jpg

http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg

http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_02.jpg

[OldRecon]

Also:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/norwegian_military/kjk_tr_na_7_8955a.jpg
Fits the bill quite well IMO. Well, at least around this part of the world.

Yep, and the secret behind it is that the different colours in the mix don't contrast too much between each other. Which is a weaknes with many other cammo patterns that contain black patches that contrast too much with the other colours of the setup. Even if the black manages to break outline it somehow sticks out.

[AK-Lover]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stccs1na500b.jpg
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stwmp1nx500a.jpg
I like the former DDR strichtarn camo.

[fantassin]

[quote think these are more photos of the French 13e RDP, a long range recon unit. Thanks for posting them, I'd only seen this one before:[/quote]

The top picture is actually from the June 2003 issue of RAIDS. It shows two members of the "Section de Renseignement" (recce platoon) of the 4° Régiment de Chasseurs, a light armour unit that provides the armoured punch of the French 27th BIM (Mountain Inf Brigade) with its 36 ERC 90 Sagaie armoured cars.

The others are members of the 13th RDP. Those pics were probably taken in Sweden when doing joint training with the Swedish K4 Regiment.

For the Russians on the board; I have noticed several members of the Russian security forces wearing French camouflage (the central european pattern) during the theater siege last year; any info on who uses it and where it's coming from?

[Germanas]

IMHO one of the best desert camouflage patterns is current Lithuanian, i have no pictures of it nearby, but have seen them in this forum.

[Dalleer]

About that finnish "urban camouflage uniform", I
don´t belive in the concept. Especially not in a city like Helsinki where there is
a lot of parks, and "small parks" between the houses etc. But for vehicles etc it can
probably be effective.

I completely agree with you man.

Helsinki's Kaartin Jääkärirykmentti and the troops assigned to the defene of the capital city-area do not really need something like that due to the reasons you listed.

And to be reasonable, the various urban camouflage patterns are never really that effective in a city area, many times the normal camouflage schemes work better than anything else.

But maybe some of our HQ "dudes" thought that it would have been "kinda like the Americanos" if our guys would have been issued with cool and shiny urban camouflage uniforms?

Btw, the desert M/90's...very cool

[Tygryssek]

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90


http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg


http://www.platpsg.republika.pl/LepperTestujeNorweskiPustynnyCamo.JPG

http://www.samoobrona.org.pl/pages/08.Wywiady/00decydent/mini.jpg
The identity: Andrzej Lepper - Polish populist party politician.

[Dalleer]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stccs1na500b.jpg
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/strichtarn/stwmp1nx500a.jpg
I like the former DDR strichtarn camo.

I've got a set of the DDR "Strichtarn" along with the UTV-belt + harness and a pair of them AK47 mag pouches as well.

The UTV-belt is completely second quality crap, I can't tell you people how many time the belt buckle has just opened up in the middle of a handsome crawl through a field or something.

As for the pouches and the BDU-suit, they've worked pretty well...

[mustamato]

Melts in to the surrounding perfectly

http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/norrk6.jpg

[hihihi_ch]

The swiss one is very good.
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/3556.jpg

in use :
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/4966.jpg
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/4966.jpg

tho old one:
http://afd.dev.imagefinder.ch/Lists/400/4733.jpg[/img]

[Viper]

I must say that Denmark (Where i live) has the best camo IMO.

I am the proud owner of a M84 Battle uniform, Winter and summer..

Plus one of the rare M/01 Desert Uniforms... I must say... The danish desert uniform is the finest i have ever seen... Can only hope peolpe can agree ;)

[OldRecon]

This pic from an honouring ceremony by Norwegian army for our fallen in Lebanon in Saqi last Christmas of one officer in Norwegian army dessert cammo and one in standard cammo quite interestingly show that the standard cammo blends a lot better in with the local greenery and brownery than the dessert one (in my opinion at least).

http://www.veterannett.com/fotobase/mypics/runeb/47/JarleHWarberg.jpg

[USMarine3521]

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90


http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg


http://www.platpsg.republika.pl/LepperTestujeNorweskiPustynnyCamo.JPG

http://www.samoobrona.org.pl/pages/08.Wywiady/00decydent/mini.jpg
The identity: Andrzej Lepper - Polish populist party politician.

the colors are like the exact same as the US tri-color desert, because of this it is hard to discern the two.

[Hullebullen]

Camo I think is cool in no particular order:

CADPAT
Danish M/84
German Flecktarn
6-color DCU "chocolate chip"
Norwegian M98
Waffen-SS Oak A "spring"
German Zeltbahn "splinter pattern"

[SpikeATGM]

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/image/taiwan_marines_tiger_stripe.jpg

Taiwan's Marine Corp uniform. Looks like a tigerstripe variation.

But it kind of tight fitting one. Quite uncomfortable.

Years back when training in ROC, we wore the older version which is plain green in color.

[crazyman]

my vote goes to the ol' brit uniform from the 1700's. aint nothin like marching off to war with all your buddies side by side, in bright red.

[lekomin]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!
this "commando" has flip flops on for f**** sake!!!!
:cantbeli: :cantbeli:
take care
lekomin inc

[rafaelcb]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

[Dalleer]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

If I'd have to guess, that would be Spanish. Wouldn't know about the name of it, though...

[marc]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/gallery/pictures/flecktarn70.jpg

I love german desert camo :)

[Dalleer]

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/gallery/pictures/flecktarn70.jpg

I love german desert camo :)

Agreed!

Tropentarn is very nice

[rafaelcb]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

If I'd have to guess, that would be Spanish. Wouldn't know about the name of it, though...

Yes, it was Spanish. It was called 'Rocoso' or 'Pirineos' and went out of use in the 70's. It was good though!
http://www.boinasverdes.org/album/bataller/urbana/05.jpg

[Thor]

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

What's "US News" and what's that "comoflouge"-thing on Haiti?

In other words: Vacon, start spending more time in school.

[Dalleer]

http://perso.wanadoo.es/alltoursnatives/ima/coes_reverso.jpg

Anyone can guess what pattern is this?

If I'd have to guess, that would be Spanish. Wouldn't know about the name of it, though...

Yes, it was Spanish. It was called 'Rocoso' or 'Pirineos' and went out of use in the 70's. It was good though!
http://www.boinasverdes.org/album/bataller/urbana/05.jpg

I have this book about special forces here, and it was made in 1976 or so and it happened to feature a subject about the Spanish special forces/ foreign legion.

Just so happened that a certain picture featured Spanish soldiers wearing that camouflage, so my sharp mind got to work...

[Germaine]

CADPAT is the best to date for "coniferus" area's but the German Flecktarn and Danish Cam is very good also but it all comes down to the area

[pretorian669]

New Israeli paterns
http://community.webshots.com/s/image11/6/96/40/128369640VHDuAi_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image8/7/39/49/128373949AeWwyt_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image10/7/37/52/128373752zcvFZz_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image10/7/41/11/128374111iFMYfj_ph.jpg

http://community.webshots.com/s/image9/7/49/9/128374909oAmpqL_ph.jpg

[/img]

[illyrian]

http://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo1.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_camo_tank.jpghttp://home.t-online.de/home/kh.ranitzsch/gallery/rl_bilder/syria_plane.jpg
Syrian Commandos during the Lebanese Civil War in Beirut. Certainly one of the most unusual military uniforms ever. Basic colour is a fairly strong pink. The green spots are cartoonish tanks, soldiers and airplanes!

Pink is the bes color for the deserts. SAS used to draw with pink their jeeps to be used in the desert

[Navy]

I cant see the new israeli camo. Only red crosses.

Plz post again...

[pretorian669]

I cant see the new israeli camo. Only red crosses.

Plz post again...
http://community.webshots.com/album/130033958VSzrtU

[ARBERESH]

german and brittish

[EchoSierra2]

Hands Down!

[deutschersoldat]

german winter camou
http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/graphics/gallery/pictures/flecktarn32.jpg

http://home.arcor.de/snipercountry/artikel/Bilder/wintereinsatz.jpg

http://home.arcor.de/snipercountry/tarnung/Bilder/winterschatten.jpg

[zachary harten]

U.S.M.C. digital camo... hands down. Also our German counterparts' camo flectar (that's where the U.S. got the idea?)

[EchoSierra2]

U.S.M.C. digital camo... hands down. Also our German counterparts' camo flectar (that's where the U.S. got the idea?) I beleive the jury is still out on that one but the Germans do have a sweet pattern. On Military Morons site there is an articla from a Ret. Marine that was involved in the creation and trials of MarPat. A good read. I highly recomend that anyone go read it. It should debunk the MarPat/CadPat/GerPat Myth.

[Mark Sman]

No votes for Rhodesian?
http://www.onetouchdesign.com/shopimages/rhodesianshirt.JPG

[Dalleer]

No votes for Rhodesian?
http://www.onetouchdesign.com/shopimages/rhodesianshirt.JPG

Well, seems like this pattern from Sri Lanka was left out as well;

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos14/sla-b.jpg

[percell_086]

hey, the belgian pattern works great in kosovo, it's not that bad!!!

if you put it the field ( not with the red para berets) but with for example the boonie hat, it works great in western europe, balkan,...

take care
percell

[EchoSierra2]

No votes for Rhodesian?
http://www.onetouchdesign.com/shopimages/rhodesianshirt.JPG

Well, seems like this pattern from Sri Lanka was left out as well;

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos14/sla-b.jpgLOL! that cant be real. LOL!

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

O.D. Green!AUSTRIA

[Micke]

I reckon the best camo patterns are all the ugly ones... like Flecktarn, Aucam and CADPAT... they all look like spews, but work really well in the bush.
But the prettiest camo is the good ol' 60's tigerstripe in my oppinon.

Actually, I think the US News Comoflouge they us on Haiti is the best.

What's "US News" and what's that "comoflouge"-thing on Haiti?

In other words: Vacon, start spending more time in school.
HAHA! Vacon, joor Swenglish iz väry goodt. :lol:

I shouldnt talk **** really, before I came to New Zealand my english sucked too. The english part of the education is pretty crap in most Swedish schools...I bunked most of those classes anyway.

[EchoSierra2]

I reckon the best camo patterns are all the ugly ones... like Flecktarn, Aucam and CADPAT... they all look like spews, but work really well in the bush.

Aint nothing ugly about these including MarPat. :fork: :D

But the prettiest camo is the good ol' 60's tigerstripe in my oppinon.

Hear, hear. No aguments this way! :D

[Korth]

Camoflauge uniforms are overrated IMO.

I would just issue khaki uniforms for desert environment.

http://www.camoshop.net/uniform/khaki.jpg

Here you can see that even a khaki dress uniform blends rather well in some urban environments.

http://quiggs.zachhale.com/archives/UNI2.JPG


An olive drab green uniform with bits of shredded burlap and vegetation tied onto ones helmet and pack will be adequate camoflauge for temperate regions and for jungle warfare.

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=olive+drab+green+uniform/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.camoshop.net/uniform/olive.jpg

[injetores que chamejam]

I agree with the khaki for desert environments, but I would prefer camoflauge pattern uniform for jungle environment.

[Breach_SWE]

After been in the Swedish army I have to say M/90 all the way.
You really fade into the envariment specially at dusk/night.

And it makes the ladys wet too! ;)

[Parzival]

_____________________________________________

Swedish desert m/90


http://w1.401.comhem.se/~u40121499/taiga_040228/DES_01.jpg


http://www.platpsg.republika.pl/LepperTestujeNorweskiPustynnyCamo.JPG

http://www.samoobrona.org.pl/pages/08.Wywiady/00decydent/mini.jpg
The identity: Andrzej Lepper - Polish populist party politician.
The uniforms looks like the old US uniforms they were use in Somalia.

[Dalleer]

The uniforms looks like the old US uniforms they were use in Somalia.

Well, the Swedish desert M/90's really have a very similar feel to the US 3-color desert BDU's.

However, I wouldn't call the 3-color desert BDU's as "old" since they are still being used in Iraq.

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/302_uniform/bdu_01/dbdu_2nd_01.jpg

[mustamato]

After been in the Swedish army I have to say M/90 all the way.
You really fade into the envariment specially at dusk/night.

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

http://www.allthingsmilitary.co.uk/ishop/images/800/0229.jpg
Old Swiss camo

http://www.cybershooters.org/Morgespic/SwissBDU.JPG
Current Swiss camo

[Dalleer]

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

As far as I've seen the Swiss "Alpenflage"-pattern (read: the old one) it wouldn't really be my first choice in the Finnish or Swedish soil. First of all, that thing has got red dots all over it and that alone makes it's camouflaging effect drop closer to zero. At least during the day-time.

Of course night-time is different with patterns such as the Alpenflage, since it's at least been created to mask you in the forests/woods/alps (even ?) and when it becomes darker "almost anything goes".

Hell, even black goes...

[mustamato]

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

As far as I've seen the Swiss "Alpenflage"-pattern (read: the old one) it wouldn't really be my first choice in the Finnish or Swedish soil. First of all, that thing has got red dots all over it and that alone makes it's camouflaging effect drop closer to zero. At least during the day-time.

Of course night-time is different with patterns such as the Alpenflage, since it's at least been created to mask you in the forests/woods/alps (even ?) and when it becomes darker "almost anything goes".

Hell, even black goes...

Here we are

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo.jpg

And don´t forget to buy a proper digital camera when you do
your time will you. I had a cheap pocket camera with me all the
time, well I had it in my pocket. Unfortunately the quality sucks :(

But well, my scanner is crappy as well, so the photos in my photo
album is a little better luckily.

[Dalleer]

Most uniform blend well at dusk and dawn. Once when my platoon were assigned
to some OPFOR duties we had old swiss uniforms. They look like hell, but I was
surprised how good they were when it became just a little darker.

As far as I've seen the Swiss "Alpenflage"-pattern (read: the old one) it wouldn't really be my first choice in the Finnish or Swedish soil. First of all, that thing has got red dots all over it and that alone makes it's camouflaging effect drop closer to zero. At least during the day-time.

Of course night-time is different with patterns such as the Alpenflage, since it's at least been created to mask you in the forests/woods/alps (even ?) and when it becomes darker "almost anything goes".

Hell, even black goes...

Here we are

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo.jpg

And don´t forget to buy a proper digital camera when you do
your time will you. I had a cheap pocket camera with me all the
time, well I had it in my pocket. Unfortunately the quality sucks :(

But well, my scanner is crappy as well, so the photos in my photo
album is a little better luckily.

Don't worry, a decent digital camera's going to go with me....

[mustamato]

Here we are

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo.jpg

And don´t forget to buy a proper digital camera when you do
your time will you. I had a cheap pocket camera with me all the
time, well I had it in my pocket. Unfortunately the quality sucks :(

But well, my scanner is crappy as well, so the photos in my photo
album is a little better luckily.

Don't worry, a decent digital camera's going to go with me....

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/swisscamo2.jpg

Swedish m/90 turned inside out. From the same exercise where we where
OPFOR, we were basically "Serbs (m/90) and Albanians (Swiss uniform)", the
dude with a hood on his head was from the platoon we were OPFOR for, they
were training for UN peacekeeping, they had a couple of men on patrol and
we ambushed them and took them as prisoners, two of them managed to get
away (tied too bad) and we ran after them. Incredibly, we were like 20 meters
after them and they managed to get away. The power of m/90. Maybe they
had very fast legs or they were hiding under some bush. We didn´t see them
anyway.

The dude with a hood on his head probably wished that he had run away as
well :) He had that damn hood and hands tied for maaaany hours. We stole
his candy from his pockets as well. Hahaha, aaah nostalgia. We only tortured
him with lame jokes. Real serbs would probably have been a little more nasty.

In the evening we
were ordered to take him to a house (in one of those fake urban warfare training
cities). Then at the night his platoon assaulted the building and kicked our butts.
When the shooting begun I looked out of the window and saw a fire ball from
a Ksp 58 on the other side of the road (like 10 meters away) and it was aimed
against me. I felt quite dead there. But hey, only blanks so I turned around
and was going to jump thru a hole in the wall to get out of the house, some dude
of the other platoon had the same idea in mind so we crashed in to each other,
he was faster than me and fired a couple of rounds into my chest (safety distance
to blanks is supposed to be 10 meters). I felt dead for the second time, so I
slowly just run out of the house, I was mentally defeated. When I got out from
the house I died a third time when I looked back at the house and once again
saw a fireball from a Ksp aimed at me. Damn those were some skilled boys
in the other platoon. Took a three story apartment house in no time at all in the
middle of the night. We were only 12 from our platoon defending the house,
I should say. So don´t forget to apply for Kaartin will ya.

[Dalleer]

So don´t forget to apply for Kaartin will ya.

Honestly, man, that has to be the funniest stuff I just read about your OPFOR training.

What did the guy you captured (the one with the hood) think of you afterwards?

[mustamato]

So don´t forget to apply for Kaartin will ya.

Honestly, man, that has to be the funniest stuff I just read about your OPFOR training.

What did the guy you captured (the one with the hood) think of you afterwards?

I don´t recall that I met him again, but I guess he was glad to get rid of that
damn hood and hearing our lame jokes. It was quite cold as well and he had
to sit outside on a pile of wood as well.

Having a hood on the head for hours makes the brain fokk up some functions,
like knowing how long time have gone and where you are. We had the pleasure
to experience that during a POW-exercise, when our hands were untied and we
could take off the hood after 5 hours I was surprised when I checked my watch,
I thought more like two hours, and I wasn´t exactly in the place where I thought
I was. If it would have been a real POW-situation it would have felt quite horribly
I can imagine, not knowing **** about anything, not even what day it is.

In case you didn´t know, in the m/90 uniform where the nametag is supposed
to be, both on the ordinary jacket and on the extra winter jacket pictured above,
there is enough room for tw 5.56´s there. Can be good to know in case of war :)

[Dalleer]

In case you didn´t know, in the m/90 uniform where the nametag is supposed
to be, both on the ordinary jacket and on the extra winter jacket pictured above,
there is enough room for tw 5.56´s there. Can be good to know in case of war :)

Hmm, yes, I remember you once posting something about the nametag-"trick". However I remembered that it was one 5,56 instead of two, oh well...

Anyway, why is the Värmejacka called "Comarocken" ?

[benny5405]

Don't know who these guys are but it looks great.

http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/2rei-46.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige66534.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/3-6.jpg
http://le.cos.free.fr/photo/neige/neige6544.JPG




Is these Germany camo ? :| ]

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

[EchoSierra2]

SUEEEET!

[Backis]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

Almost right, French, not Finnish. :lol:

[Dalleer]

Argh, double post.

[Brozozo]

You just gotta love MARPAT and CADPAT! Great stuff!

[Korth]

In case you didn´t know, in the m/90 uniform where the nametag is supposed to be, both on the ordinary jacket and on the extra winter jacket pictured above, there is enough room for tw 5.56´s there. Can be good to know in case of war :)


Having two rounds would be no good in escape and evasion as they will have taken your rifle upon your capture.

A small pocket knife would be more useful for escape, evasion, & survival.

[Dalleer]

A small pocket knife would be more useful for escape, evasion, & survival.

It would have to be really small, now wouldn't it ?

How about a mini-sized issue of playboy ( I heard the Talibans had mini-sized Korans , so why not?) afterall POW camps can get really boring sometimes..

[EchoSierra2]

You just gotta love MARPAT and CADPAT! Great stuff!

I have to agree on that. Check out http://www.militarymorons.com/misc/misc.html They did a desert camo test. to me the USMC MCCUU MarPat diffuses the best. followed by the US 3 Color Desert then the British DPM. The others? Just hope the nearest sniper is more than a mile and a half away. :P

[snake_eater]

Camoflauge uniforms are overrated IMO.

I would just issue khaki uniforms for desert environment.

http://www.camoshop.net/uniform/khaki.jpg




Khaki would be my choice for the desert too.

[Antaris]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

Almost right, French, not Finnish. :lol:

Like said, French recon (dragon?) units, cant remember full name, but i think it´s already been stated here in this topic, somwhere..

[strvkomp]

Swedish soldiers in M/90 camo.

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ksp90skytt.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ak5_skytt.jpg
http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/full-packning.jpg
http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/kj2.jpg
pictures taken from www.soldf.com & www.mil.se

enjoy...

[Dalleer]

Yeat another M/90 lover...

What a good choice, I must say.

[Scottie]

I'm with with the Norwegian camo. Especially the woodland and snow.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709218_2_mann_i_skogen_39228a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709299_felt2-400.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709334_felt3-400_34508a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709419_lysbilde154_30891a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709464_lysbilde155_kopi_30893a.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709528_modul_a_-_irak_33372a.jpg
Desert camo here

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709601_sb90_camo_370_21884a.jpg
Can you spot something?

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/436_1082709658_stormlag.jpg

[Dalleer]

Yes, it would be interesting to "test" a Norwegian camouflage pattern as well. About a year ago I had the chance to acquire a set of Norwegian M/98 (?) camouflage BDU's but I declined.

That was a stupid move, I have to tell you...

[Scottie]

Hehe, yeah gonna buy some Norwegian woodland camo

[Jack Mehoff]

Can you see me now?

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/593/camo.JPG

[Scottie]

:O ure invisable :roll: :lol: :bash: :-*$ :cantbeli:

[elguapo]

Who needs `desert 6 colors` :D

though it's main purpose is to protect not disguise

http://www.exercito.gov.br/01Instit/bcoimage/caatinga/imagens/caatin03.jpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/01Instit/bcoimage/caatinga/imagens/caatin19.jpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/01Instit/bcoimage/caatinga/imagens/caatin20.jpg

[ZeroPositive]

interesting camo is that Brazilian camo?

I think cadpat is great Marpat arrid and Danish M84 camo is sweet.

[MapleLeafInfantry]

i think the new british stuff is the best, check it out!!!
http://www.joseacontreras.net/misviajes/photogallery/londonjubilee/guard.jpg

[Scottie]

:D Well they sure dont need camo if they're gonna protect the Queen in London.... :lol:

[solidus]

the irish dpm
http://img41.photobucket.com/albums/v126/NOVAsolidus/styer1.jpg
http://www.klickireland.com/20battalion/images/Glen2002_12.jpg

[Dalleer]

the irish dpm

Is that the official name for it ?

[The Clip]

Not too bad but room for improvement. The best is British and Russian SMOG(Naval infantry).

[ZeroPositive]

That Irish camo is pretty good seen in action had a hard time seeing the bloke at times :D

I heard the nickname for it is paddyflage :D

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

Almost right, French, not Finnish. :lol:

I have seen this pictures 2 years ago at a finnish hp of their special forces!

[Dalleer]

No it´s not!These guys are finnish commandos!

Almost right, French, not Finnish. :lol:

I have seen this pictures 2 years ago at a finnish hp of their special forces!

No you haven't.

Those pictures do not portray Finnish "special forces", and if you care to debate it with me bring us some proof.

[solidus]

the irish dpm

Is that the official name for it ?
yes it is
hear's a beter look at it
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/ireland_dpm_front.jpg
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/ireland_dpm_back.jpg

[Dalleer]

the irish dpm

Is that the official name for it ?
yes it is
hear's a beter look at it
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/ireland_dpm_front.jpg
http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/ireland_dpm_back.jpg

Cool, I'd really like a set of it hanging into my closet...

[FDF_Hemppis]

Can you see me now?

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/593/camo.JPG

Try this:
http://img49.photobucket.com/albums/v151/Hemppis/muut/TAkuva1.jpg

Notice something?

(j/k :D)

[DANJANOU]

Notice something?

Tip of rifle barrel, left knee, toecap of left boot, otherwise not bad.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Notice something?

Tip of rifle barrel, left knee, toecap of left boot, otherwise not bad.

I see the barrel tip alright, but where the hell do you see those other 2? :oops:

[DANJANOU]

Look closer. The barrel is obvious. Can't block it and I presume he's let off a round already so the cam has peeled away from it.

You can see two slight dark areas that are the boot and the knee. His left leg is bent (good prone position). See the large grey rock near the wpn, look directly above it and you'll see another smaller rock. Look closer and you'll notice part of it is the knee. Then look above that and you'll see the boot. Once you have those three then the whole outline is noticable. kind of like those optical illusion pictures.

Like I said good field craft here. It looks like he's in a bit of a depression and using it as a good fire position. It took me a couple of seconds to pick him out and I knew what I was looking for too. If he's as good a shot as he is at cam and concealment he probably would have had to time to get a round off before spotted. That is presuming thr other guys' cam and position wasn't as good.

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/27pic14.jpg

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/brasil_ef_dofesp.jpg

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/BRASIL_COMANDOS4.jpg

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/brasil_oculos_infrared.jpg

Brazilian camo

[Dalleer]

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/27pic14.jpg

I wouldn't mind having that guys boots.

[ferretmaster]

Nobodys' mentioned the new Multicam from Crye - the stuff looks awesome! Apparently it scored the highest in all the US Army tests for a new camo, but they turned it down on cost and went for the new 'Gayboy grey' digital. Nice.

http://www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm

[Hawkeye]

Nobodys' mentioned the new Multicam from Crye - the stuff looks awesome! Apparently it scored the highest in all the US Army tests for a new camo, but they turned it down on cost and went for the new 'Gayboy grey' digital. Nice.

http://www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm

Yeah i think most of us know it, but if you look at the date of this topic you can see Multicam didn't exist then (last post was over 8 months ago).

[Graspol]

Which country has the best camo is very hard to say,if not impossible.
The use of the type of camo pattern depends very on where you're going to use it. It has a lot to do with natures environment of the particular countries.To narrow it down to only the European countries,which have a mix of deciduous en pine forests and parts heathland i'd say German and Danish flecktarn is very impressive. So is the Swedish. The British DPM and our (Dutch) DPM are the same,only ours is a little lighter of colour.
DPM works great in heathlands and pine forests. But again, it al depends on where you're using which type of camo. That's why they wear mostly sandy colours in Iraq and Afghanistan ;) . And for that matter i prefer the British desert DPM over the Dutch/U.S desert camo.

[ZaakM433]

greenland

[Wodan]

http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_Gewhr_G1_Energa.jpg
http://www.panzerbaer.de/archiv/pix/bgs_grossueb_50er_Jahre.jpg
http://www.warhelmets.com/images_2004/splinter_camo_pants.jpg
http://www.armee-center.de/catalog/images/custom/colors/1-sumpftarn.jpg
http://www.armyshop-moleskin.de/images/big/knochensack_splittertarn.jpg
http://www.armyshop-moleskin.de/images/big/wh_helmtarnbezug.jpg
http://www.armyshop-moleskin.de/images/big/wehrmachts_patronenbandulier.jpg
http://www.feldbluse.de/assets/images/Wendejacke.jpg

[M1A2U2]

Petoria has the best camo.

[Virus]

http://www.multicampattern.com/img/img6b.jpg


/sigh, so so sexeh

[Scout Ranger]

for me the best camo's are:

1) British Desert DPM
2) British Jungle DPM
3) cadpat
4) cadpat ar
5) Belgian Jigsaw
6) German Flectarn
7) German Wustentarn
8) Italian Continental Comsubin
9) Italian Desert
10) Philippine Navy SWAG Tiger Stripes
11) Danish M84
12) Swedish M90
13) Israeli OD
14) Japanese Jetai
15) US 3 Color Desert
16) Desert marpat
17) Woodland marpat
18) Polish Pantera
19) Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo
20) Norwegian Camo

[callous]

'Jamaican' :lol: Rastaflage
http://www.camouflage.name/adds/rastaflaget.jpg

[Wodan]

for me the best camo's are:

1) British Desert DPM
2) British Jungle DPM
3) cadpat
4) cadpat ar
5) Belgian Jigsaw
6) German Flectarn
7) German Wustentarn
8) Italian Continental Comsubin
9) Italian Desert
10) Philippine Navy SWAG Tiger Stripes
11) Danish M84
12) Swedish M90
13) Israeli OD
14) Japanese Jetai
15) US 3 Color Desert
16) Desert marpat
17) Woodland marpat
18) Polish Pantera
19) Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo
20) Norwegian Camo

its still Flecktarn and Wüstentarn... :roll:

[USMC-Congbuster]

US,

Marpat hands down woot

[HooyahCQB]

Definately MARPAT. Crye is the best for all-enviorments I think though.

[bloddyaxe]

icelandic camo
http://www.landbunadur.is/landbunadur/wgsamvef.nsf/0/641BBD27B02DB79600256BD700559BDF/$file/lopi2.jpg

[Lone Predator]

but iceland doesn't have a standing de... OH! I get it.. hahaha


;)

lmao

[Dalleer]

Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/philippines_psg_front.jpg

Think it's any good besides looking pretty cool ?

[M1A2U2]

Iceland does have a military

[Beinlausen]

Iceland does have a military

Yeah, the norwegian Army, afaik.

[Dalleer]

Well , let's throw out some facts first , shall we ?

From the pictures that I've seen , the personnel from Iceland have been wearing either (that new desert pattern of theirs) Norwegian or British (DPM - camouflage pattern) uniforms/fatigues for international assignments.

As for the "does Iceland have a military" - matter , I can only say it by quoting a page , where it says;

defense is provided by the US-manned Icelandic Defense Force (IDF) headquartered at Keflavik

The same page also concludes , that Iceland has;

no regular armed forces; Police, Coast Guard

And here's some more concrete information concerning the "Icelandic defence force"..

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dod/idf.htm

[Old Dominion]

I like the Danish,Swedish,and German.

[Viktorin]

Norwegian camo all the way!

http://img229.exs.cx/img229/1415/tk20279dc.jpg
http://img229.exs.cx/img229/512/tk20358rp.jpg

[CQB_Operator]

Norwegian camo all the way!

http://img229.exs.cx/img229/1415/tk20279dc.jpg
http://img229.exs.cx/img229/512/tk20358rp.jpg
Very nice pix Viktorin woot

[Viktorin]

Norwegian camo all the way!

http://img229.exs.cx/img229/1415/tk20279dc.jpg
http://img229.exs.cx/img229/512/tk20358rp.jpg
Very nice pix Viktorin woot

Q posted them in a thread, but I resized them because I don't feel like bogging down people's PC's and making them angry. :lol:

But I have posted this stuff before, too bad it was taken down a little while ago. *cries*

[Scout Ranger]

for me the best camo's are:

1) British Desert DPM
2) British Jungle DPM
3) cadpat
4) cadpat ar
5) Belgian Jigsaw
6) German Flectarn
7) German Wustentarn
8) Italian Continental Comsubin
9) Italian Desert
10) Philippine Navy SWAG Tiger Stripes
11) Danish M84
12) Swedish M90
13) Israeli OD
14) Japanese Jetai
15) US 3 Color Desert
16) Desert marpat
17) Woodland marpat
18) Polish Pantera
19) Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo
20) Norwegian Camo

its still Flecktarn and Wüstentarn... :roll:

thanks for the correction. i thought the german desert pattern was called wustentarn.

[toki]

for me the best camo's are:

1) British Desert DPM
2) British Jungle DPM
3) cadpat
4) cadpat ar
5) Belgian Jigsaw
6) German Flectarn
7) German Wustentarn
8) Italian Continental Comsubin
9) Italian Desert
10) Philippine Navy SWAG Tiger Stripes
11) Danish M84
12) Swedish M90
13) Israeli OD
14) Japanese Jetai
15) US 3 Color Desert
16) Desert marpat
17) Woodland marpat
18) Polish Pantera
19) Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo
20) Norwegian Camo

its still Flecktarn and Wüstentarn... :roll:

thanks for the correction. i thought the german desert pattern was called wustentarn.

I think it's still called "Tropentarn" (tropical camo) even if "Wüstentarn" (Desert camo) would make more sense. But two schemes just seem to be enough. So "Tropentarn" also makes sense.

[Wodan]

for me the best camo's are:

1) British Desert DPM
2) British Jungle DPM
3) cadpat
4) cadpat ar
5) Belgian Jigsaw
6) German Flectarn
7) German Wustentarn
8) Italian Continental Comsubin
9) Italian Desert
10) Philippine Navy SWAG Tiger Stripes
11) Danish M84
12) Swedish M90
13) Israeli OD
14) Japanese Jetai
15) US 3 Color Desert
16) Desert marpat
17) Woodland marpat
18) Polish Pantera
19) Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo
20) Norwegian Camo

its still Flecktarn and Wüstentarn... :roll:

thanks for the correction. i thought the german desert pattern was called wustentarn.

I think it's still called "Tropentarn" (tropical camo) even if "Wüstentarn" (Desert camo) would make more sense. But two schemes just seem to be enough. So "Tropentarn" also makes sense.

you are totally right, sorry sorry sorry

:bash: to myself

[supercontra]

http://www.mossyoakapparel.com/scms_images/main_image.jpg
Mossy Oak :D rofl
Works very well if you sit still in the forest during rut. Not very good if moving through multiple environments. Also there is the printing cost which will be a lot higher if you make 100000 uniforms.

[bloddyaxe]

Well , let's throw out some facts first , shall we ?

From the pictures that I've seen , the personnel from Iceland have been wearing either (that new desert pattern of theirs) Norwegian or British (DPM - camouflage pattern) uniforms/fatigues for international assignments.

As for the "does Iceland have a military" - matter , I can only say it by quoting a page , where it says;

defense is provided by the US-manned Icelandic Defense Force (IDF) headquartered at Keflavik

The same page also concludes , that Iceland has;

no regular armed forces; Police, Coast Guard

And here's some more concrete information concerning the "Icelandic defence force"..

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dod/idf.htm

The information on http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dod/idf.htm is currently pretty obsolete.
The US Navy has handed the control of the base over to the USAF and the only thing left are four unarmed F-15s with pilots and support crew. These would have left too if some in our government hadn't been constantly phoning the white house and pentagon and threatening something.

[TacoDelRio]

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/philippines_psg_front.jpg

Think it's any good besides looking pretty cool ?

That is f*cking SNAZZY!

[Wodan]

btw. the "Subtropen" are the regions, the Tropentarn is useful, not the Tropen, once german soldiers good equiped with Tropentarn, for a training in french guyana, it caused much laughing, and in the end they used normal Flecktarn, there...


(does anybody know the this new Tropentarn, I think it has one colour less and is a bit lighter?)

[the_janitor]

Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/philippines_psg_front.jpg

Think it's any good besides looking pretty cool ?

Looking cool ??? Looks like a civvy jacket straight from 1986 !!

some people here have weird weird tastes, or a different definition of cool ;)

j/k

[Tsunami]

'Jamaican' :lol: Rastaflage
http://www.camouflage.name/adds/rastaflaget.jpg


:lol: :lol: oh man! U rock!!!!

BTW i like Italian BSM pattern...for me is the best solution in mediterrain locations

[Scottie]

must say since im norwegian i think norwegian camo is best :roll:

[nickless]

btw. the "Subtropen" are the regions, the Tropentarn is useful, not the Tropen, once german soldiers good equiped with Tropentarn, for a training in french guyana, it caused much laughing, and in the end they used normal Flecktarn, there...


(does anybody know the this new Tropentarn, I think it has one colour less and is a bit lighter?)

Flecktarn, Tropentarn and Wüstentarn are all inofficial names.

The "Federal Office of Defense Technology and Procurement" (http://www.bwb.org) lists two official camouflage prints, a 5 color camouflage print (http://daten.bwb.org/AG-Bund/TL/daten/83050290_e2.pdf) and a 3 color camouflage print (http://daten.bwb.org/AG-Bund/TL/daten/83050297_e2.pdf).

What some people call "Tropentarn" is the 5 color print on a lighter fabric for "wet/hot tropical climate", it's the same print as regular Flecktarn, but because the base fabric has a lighter shade of green, all the colors look a bit different. These uniforms are currently being issued to troops serving on the balkans and were worn in the early days of ISAF as well.
If you're interested, I can get you some pictures as well.

[nickless]

Philippine Presidential Security Group Camo

http://www.henrikc.dk/camouflage/philippines_psg_front.jpg

Think it's any good besides looking pretty cool ?

Looking cool ??? Looks like a civvy jacket straight from 1986 !!

some people here have weird weird tastes, or a different definition of cool ;)

j/k

That camo looks like a copy of what the british Berlin brigade used for their vehicles. On the vehicles, it seemed to be very effective, so it would be interesting to see how the smaller scale print would perform.

[Wodan]

If you're interested, I can get you some pictures as well.

for sure!

[Catch22]

@nickless: Actually USMC "Urban T" pattern was a good try on introducing Berlin Brigade-type geometrical camouflage for BDUs.

[nickless]

If you're interested, I can get you some pictures as well.

for sure!

Ok, here (http://wohnheim.fh-wedel.de/~niklas/pics/DSC01054.jpg) you go.

The jacket on the left is regular Flecktarn, the pants are made of the lighter tropical fabric (except for the Cordura kneepads).
The color differences are a bit less notable in daylight, the artificial lighting and the digicam seem to amplify the differences.

[toki]

btw. the "Subtropen" are the regions, the Tropentarn is useful, not the Tropen, once german soldiers good equiped with Tropentarn, for a training in french guyana, it caused much laughing, and in the end they used normal Flecktarn, there...


(does anybody know the this new Tropentarn, I think it has one colour less and is a bit lighter?)

rofl i guess that "tropentarn" thing is too confusing not only for the english speakers. Maybe we should talk about the "green stuff" and the "sand-coloured stuff". Or maybe the Bundeswehr should rethink it's name-termination for it's own sake. Imagine having the next peacekeeping mission in the african jungle standing out like canarybirds sitting in the trees. :cantbeli:

[Geocider]

Hiding is for wussies. Redcoats all the way. :D







Otherwise I have to say Cadpat seems pretty effective. But the Flecktarn family looks best. Especially Jietai.

[Icarus]

Oh you got to love EBay :-D

Me want..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36068&item=6510986828&rd=1

[Aerosoul]

Whoa! They alrady have a BDU on ebay holy crap.

[Dalleer]

Yeah , someone is going to pay himself silly for that ACU..

Luckily I'm not even interested of getting one yet . And even if I would be , that's an "X-large/long" - size , which is just a "bit" too big for me.

I'm a "Medium/Long" - size when it comes to the US BDU sizes..

[Viktorin]

You can find ACU at the local military surplus now which is near me. Last time I was there 6 weeks ago they were selling the ACU boonie already. Now they sell the entire set for fairly cheap, maybe 20 usd more per piece than in a marpat set.

[slobo]

If we're still voting on best camo pattern, I gotta say CadPat.

Leave it to one of the most underfunded, overstretched armies on the planet to develop the coolest looking and possibly most effective pattern.

Oh Canada!

[r0bi]

i like estonian woodland camo

http://www.mil.ee/im/taustad/be2_800x600.jpghttp://www.mil.ee/im/taustad/linnalahing8_800x600.jpghttp://www.mil.ee/%7Efotek/gallery/pildid/album92/abh.jpg

[Bohemoth]

Dunno what am best, but I know ACU am stupid: rofl
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/uploads/1113422833/gallery_133_71_2896.jpg

[digrar]

Digging up old threads, what were you thinking?