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platform389
07-22-2005, 09:10 PM
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Notice the strange pic from the ship's website


Report paints USS San Antonio as lemon

Web Posted: 07/22/2005 12:00 AM CDT

Sig Christenson
Express-News Military Writer

WASHINGTON — A Navy inspection report describes the USS San Antonio as having "great potential for future useful service to the fleet."

Operative word: potential.

After years of work, the vessel billed as a stealth ship is infested with corrosion, badly wired, poorly built, and deemed so unsafe that Navy inspectors warned its crew shouldn't take it to sea.

Inspectors examining the San Antonio from June 27-July 5 found safety deficiencies throughout the ship. Construction and craftsmanship standards, they said, were "poor."

Workers left a "snarled, over-packed, poorly assembled and virtually uncorrectable electrical/electronic cable plant." Watertight integrity was compromised throughout the ship by multiple cable lines.

The inspectors predicted the San Antonio "will be plagued by electrical/electronic cable plant installation deficiencies throughout its entire service life" if corrective work isn't done.

Though those actions are on the drawing board, they warned the ship shouldn't take on its crew until "significant" damage control and firefighting systems are put into operation.

But the Navy and shipbuilder Northrop Grumman Ship Systems say the San Antonio, the first amphibious transport ship in its class, actually has encountered fewer problems than other vessels like it in recent years.

"It is the first of class, and every first of class has significant challenges," Northrop Grumman Ship Systems spokesman Brian Cullin said Thursday.

The first U.S. warship named for the Alamo City was handed to the Navy this week with little fanfare. It passed inspection after winning "satisfactory" scores in seven performance areas of the Builders Sea Trial and Acceptance Trial conducted by the shipbuilder.

San Antonio, though, was deemed "an incomplete ship," missing everything from deck drains to berthing compartment sprinkler systems and fire extinguishers, the Navy Board of Inspection and Survey said.

Design changes driven by shrinking defense budgets have robbed the ship of some of its stealth characteristics — one of its marquee features.

The ship's specifications included significant radar cross-section reduction technology. As construction ensued, the report stated, "design reduction decisions were made because of constrained funding. RCS effectiveness is now reduced."

Examples of problems in reducing the ship's radar signature include life raft RCS covers, which weren't funded and catwalks and platforms that didn't have shrouds or covers.

However, the Navy has hailed the San Antonio, which is designed to take Marines into dangerous locales, as a ship of firsts. It's the Navy's first stealth ship, using fewer angles from protruding pieces of steel and a pair of eight-sided twin masts that reduce its radar signature.

It's the fleet's first "gender-neutral" ship, with living quarters and showers for women. Designed entirely on computer, the San Antonio was to be the first of 12 amphibious transport dock ships built under a $16 billion program.

Today, cost overruns have chewed into the Navy's budget, reducing the number of San Antonio-class ships to nine. The ship's cost has soared from $830 million to a projected $1.85 billion.

Northrop Grumman's Cullin said costs increased in part because the ship still was being designed two years into its construction. High-tech systems installed in the ship also were a factor.

"I can understand why the Navy and Northrop Grumman are defensive about this," said retired Rear Adm. Steve Pietropaoli, a former top Navy spokesman. "But the fact is we're not getting the product we need to support Marines in the future."

San Antonio's production woes and rising price are typical of Pentagon weapons systems. Cost has emerged as a big issue both in the Defense Department and on Capitol Hill.

Navy Secretary Gordon England has launched a study into the matter in his capacity as acting deputy secretary of defense, a job previously held by Paul Wolfowitz.

Pietropaoli hadn't seen the inspection report and declined to speculate about the severity of the San Antonio's problems. But former Assistant Defense Secretary Lawrence Korb said the problems cited in the Navy report seemed worse than usual.

Both Northrop Grumman's Cullin and Cmdr. Herman Phillips, a spokesman with the Naval Sea Systems Command, said the ship hasn't been put into commission. The Navy and the company had identified the San Antonio's problems, they said, and would fix them.

Read the entire report on the ship below


Report on USS San Antonio

Web Posted: 07/22/2005 04:03 AM CDT

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This is a 4 sectioned message collated by LMDS ### UNCLAS part I of III. Part II DTG 081812ZJUL05, part III DTG 081813ZJUL05 MSGID/GENADMIN/PRESINSURV NORFOLK VA/-/JUL/ SUBJ/INSURV report for PCU San Antonio (LPD 17) acceptance trial (AT) / RMKS/

1. The Board of Inspection and Survey conducted an AT in PCU San Antonio (LPD 17) at Pascagoula, MS during the period 27 Jun-1 Jul 05 (inport only). The underway portion of this at was linked from the builders trial conducted 26 Apr-3 May 05. A page 04 RHBOZMB3889 UNCLAS follow-on pre-sailaway underway trial will be conducted date TBD to verify the completion of the vessel and observe those events that could not be conducted because of either inoperative equipment or incomplete installation. The board recommends the CNO authorize COMNAVSEASYSCOM to accept delivery provided all starred deficiencies have been corrected or waived by CNO prior to acceptance.

2. Senior member comments:

A. PCU San Antonio is an incomplete ship. However, as observed during builders sea trial (with all underway demos achieving satisfactory EOC grades), PCU San Antonio is a highly capable platform with great potential for future useful service to the fleet. As is observed in all first ships of a new class, space completion represents a challenge to the shipbuilder. Of the 943 spaces in San Antonio (not including tanks, voids, etc.), 25 spaces are government accepted, 199 spaces are government-inspected complete, and 433 spaces completed the builders preliminary inspection process. The remaining 286 spaces are either not inspected or incomplete. This ship is not ready for ships force move aboard. Safety deficiencies exist throughout the ship as significant industrial work continues. Page 05 RHBOZMB3889 UNCLAS security of ships force spaces will be challenged by the amount of industrial work remaining. Significant damage control and firefighting systems remain either unfinished or inoperative. It is strongly recommended that identified safety and security issues be resolved prior to crew move aboard.

B. Poor construction and craftsmanship standards are evident throughout the ship and are manifested in numerous ways. Despite great efforts to correct many issues, some represent significant challenges. San Antonio will be plagued by electrical/electronic cable plant installation deficiencies throughout its entire service life if currently-planned corrective actions are not completed. Poor installation practices have resulted in unsat wireway conditions. Poor initial cable-pulling practice led to what is now a snarled, over-packed, poorly-assembled, and virtually uncorrectable electrical/electronic cable plant. Watertight integrity is compromised throughout the ship by numerous multi-cable transits that may never achieve watertightness without either the use of rise in locations inside and below the V-lines, or the development of a special sealing technique.

C. Ship-wide electrical distribution enclosures to include power page 06 RHBOZMB3889 UNCLAS panels, controllers, fuse boxes, and junction boxes had significant electrical discrepancies. Wiring, hardware, circuit label plate identification, and enclosure cleaning were not completed ship-wide.

D. Final preservation was not complete ship-wide. Corrosion is present throughout the ship. Although significant corrosion control design initiatives have been incorporated into San Antonio (CRES materials topside, high solid paints in the well deck, etc), affected areas can be observed nearly everywhere, but are worse in the welldeck (probably surface rust only), vehicle stowage areas, passageways, accommodation ladders and associated stowage spaces, sideport doors and associated spaces, weather decks including the rescue boat deck and mission boat valley, the superstructure, and both main and auxiliary machinery space bilges. Present conditions suggest that insufficient base metal preparation is the root cause. Additionally, lack of sufficient weather deck drains promotes standing water and will exacerbate this already significant corrosion control problem. The shipbuilder is aware of these corrosion challenges and has planned corrective action. None of the areas identified above have, as yet, been presented to government quality assurance. Page 07 RHBOZMB3889 UNCLAS

E. Following deficiencies will prevent welldeck certification: JP-5 fueling station installation is incomplete, distilled water system installation was incomplete, lcac alignment markers were missing, and LCAC line-up stripes were missing.

F. Although not an operational requirements document (ORD) requirement, builders specs included the incorporation of significant radar cross-section (RCS) reduction technology. As ship construction progressed, design reduction decisions were made because of constrained funding. RCS effectiveness is now reduced. Final impact will remain unknown until follow-on testing is performed. Additional modifications may be required to reduce the effect of RCS hot spots. Suspected hot spots include: rescue boat pocket lacked a roller curtain and the bulkheads in the pocket were untreated, liferaft RCS covers were not funded, ventilation fan room suction vent louvers were not funded, 01-level shore power cable panel had round versus square tubing, numerous topside pockets (loud speakers, LP air service connections, flight deck wheel stops, fire stations, etc.) lacked covers and may represent hot spots, mooring chocks, undersides of bridgewings, catwalks, SLQ-32 platforms, etc., all lacked either RCS shrouds or covers. Page 08 RHBOZMB3889 UNCLAS

G. Flex hoses on OEM Units throughout the ship lacked flex hose data tags (MPACs, LPACs, BAL/DEBAL HPUs, rescue boat davit, boat and cargo crane, side port doors, cpp od boxes, emergency crp hand pumps, etc).

H. Over 50 percent of mechanical gages and switches throughout the ship will be overdue for calibration either at or immediately following ship custody transfer. Avondale facility of NGSS is not a certified navy calibration activity.

I. Water mist excess flow valves were found to be unsuitable and modified. Excess flow valves are designed to maintain system pressure and prevent flooding during activation if a high pressure nozzle is removed or damaged. MMR 1 has 11 GPM spring-loaded valves installed, which have proven through testing to be unsatisfactory. Excess flow valves in the other four main engineering spaces have been modified. A tested and proven orifice-based system will be installed and tested during the post-shakedown availability.

J. Several ECS Casualties were observed during trials. Specifically, a loss of communications and associated instability were observed twice while underway during the builders trial. This instability was caused by VRTU (DAUS) buffer memory overload. DURING part I of III. Part II DTG 081812ZJUL05, part III DTG 081813ZJUL05 MSGID/GENADMIN/PRESINSURV NORFOLK VA/-/JUL/ SUBJ/INSURV report for PCU San Antonio (LPD 17) acceptance trial (AT) of unknown statuses displayed on operating consoles and lock up of various VRTUS (DAUS). Local control was required to maintain control of plant equipment. During the AT, ECS exhibited a similar instability. This instability was caused by the failure of a core switch on the SWAN. In each case, ECS and SCS had to be reset in page 04 RHBOZMB3890 UNCLAS order to regain control. There are no internal diagnostics to monitor ECS health to determine any faults in ECS hardward. ECS Event viewer is constantly scrolling alarm changes making it difficult to track current alarms and to look at the alarm history.

K. Load centers 21 and 22 local/remote selector switches did not disable the shore power circuit breaker master synchronizer and load controllers when in the local position. This prevents accomplishment of EOSS procedure SPRU. When the shore power breaker is closed the online SSDG will unload.

L. There were 389 GFE and 150 CFE outstanding shock qualifications, covering thousands of individual components. The program manager has a robust shock deficiency correction plan and is committed to accomplish qualification of the remaining unqualified items.

M. The AFT AEMS internal access ladder was not safe to erect or use. The ladder appeared to have been designed to a combination of safety standards and did not have an adequate fall arrest system or weight bearing ability. Additionally, the effort required to erect the ladder was time consuming and required six personnel versus the two required by spec. Installation was incomplete during the time of testing. Considerable engineering effort has gone into the design of page 05 RHBOZMB3890 UNCLAS this ladder, but significant safety and maintainability issues remain.

N. The clearance for military vehicles was degraded in the main, lower (AFT), upper vehicle stowage areas and flight deck ramp because of obstacles or protrusions, vertical clearances not meeting minimum requirement, and missing guardrails or curbs. Additionally, well deck, upper vehicle, forward, AFT, and bridge hinged ramps were missing guardrails or curbs.

O. Due to SWAN communication problems with SCS and ECS end user systems, SWAN casualty mode testing was suspended. It was determined that the primary and secondary communication paths run through the individual node rooms and create a single point of failure for ECS system.

P. Throughout the ship there were ladders missing pins, handrails missing pins, safety chains missing at hatches and on ladders, hatches missing support stanchions or they only had one stanchion holding the hatch open. Ladders were missing climber safety rails, hand grabs, and/or did not extend high enough to safety access the next level. Liferails were missing on many topside spaces creating a fall hazard. Page 06 RHBOZMB3890 UNCLAS

Q. Numerous eyewash station installations throughout the ship were incomplete, and alarms were not connected or tested. Additionally, plumbed eyewash station operating valves operated backwards.

R. Baseline noise and heat stress surveys could not be adequately completed because ventilation systems were incomplete and unbalanced. Ventilation measurements could not be taken to verify compliance with the spec because CPS was not able to be set because of the incomplete and unbalanced ventilation systems.

S. Ventilation systems were incomplete ship-wide. Of greatest concern was the lack of permanent ventilation in hazardous spaces (JP-5 pump rooms, VCHT pump rooms, HAZMAT storage spaces, paint locker, etc.). Temporary and disconnected vent ducting was prevalent on the 2nd deck and the platforms below it.

T. FAS station 1 JP-5 riser flange was incorrectly located and missing a check valve. The DFM riser flange was also incorrectly located. Numerous equipment and fittings were not installed including messenger fairlead padeyes, gypsy winch cleat, gypsy winch master operator, probe receivers, station-to-station phone line cleat, and chaffing bar.

U. FAS station 5 JP-5 riser flange was incorrectly located and page 07 RHBOZMB3890 UNCLAS missing a check valve. Additionally, the JP-5 riser deck penetration positioned the riser directly in the way of the stations forward door. In an emergency, this door is the egress point for a majority of station personnel. The DFM riser flange was also incorrectly located. Numerous equipment and fittings were not installed including messenger fairlead padeyes, gypsy winch cleat, gypsy winch master operator, probe receivers, station-to-station phone line cleat, and chafing bar.

V. A pre-sailaway trial following completion of the ship (TBD) will require the following demos/redemos: full power redemo, stern gate redemo, RO units redemo, steering redemo, potable water redemo, electric plant power management, cathodic protection, darken ship, various IC systems, pilot debark station, port accom ladder, port side port door and cargo crane, portable sideport ramp, vehicle clearance, hinged ramps, life raft manual release device, FAS stations, mission boats, watertight doors, CPS, watertight integrity, ballast/deballast redemo, DTE redemo, CMWWDS, IPDS, DECON, Smoke ejection system, HFP systems outside the machinery plant, salt water sprinkling systems outside the machinery plant, temp and smoke alarm, SCBA charging and breathing air main, various non-machinery space page 08 RHBOZMB3890 UNCLAS AFFF sprinkling systems, airborne noise survey, heat stress survey, DSVL redemo, FLUX gate compass redemo, NIXIE, various comms, TACAN redemo, IFF redemo, SLQ-32 redemo, 23TV, BFTT, engineering control system reliability, AT/FP load-out, degaussing, ammo handling routes, fathometer performance, magazine sprinkler checks, ammo ready service locker inspections, armory and magazine inspections, RAM MOD 3 inspection, crew-served weapons stations inspections, MK 46 30mm gun system inspection/demo, SSES at-sea demo, KSQ-1 demo, DWBTS, GCCS-M, link 11/16, medical facilities, dental facilities, eyewash stations, OWS, plastic and solid waste systems, work shop safety, safety nets, JP-5 system demonstration, and aviation support facilities demonstration).

W. Shipbuilder-provided crew training in this shipbuilding yard falls short of other new construction programs. In the Ticonderoga-class shipbuilding program over 25 crew training courses were provided. In the Arleigh Burke-class shipbuilding program over 25 crew training courses were provided. The San Antonio-class shipbuilding program is currently comprised of only six general familiarization courses. This impact is mitigated in San Antonio by construction delays which have provided for more training time, but part I of III. Part II DTG 081812ZJUL05, part III DTG 081813ZJUL05 MSGID/GENADMIN/PRESINSURV NORFOLK VA/-/JUL/ SUBJ/INSURV report for PCU San Antonio (LPD 17) acceptance trial (AT) will become a factor in future crews of follow-on precomm units. There are no San Antonio-class specific NEC training courses. Unique systems (SWAN, ECS, etc.) will require the program manager to fund factory training for this and future precomm crews. However, after the ships in this program have finished construction, training for page 04 RHBOZMB3891 UNCLAS maintenance and operation of these critical systems will be resident only within the ships lifelines through OJT. There are no embedded trainers for these unique systems.

X. The VCHT system had 25 deficiencies that prevented certification of the system.

Y. Minimum acceptable equipment for underway operations was achieved at 1143 on day four of the inspection.

Z. 36 of 100 watertight closures inspected were not watertight.

AA. 0 of 2 IPDs were operational.

BB. 18 of 18 ventilation airflow alarms were either inop or misadjusted.

CC. 11 critical deficiencies precluded oily water separators certification.

3. Starred deficiencies:

A. Propulsion

* The stability of the engineering control system (ECS) was suspect. Faults observed included several system crashes, loss of various DAUS VRTUS, and loss of communications with various critical elements of the propulsion and electrical plants (MPDEs, SSDGs, etc.) The ECS page 05 RHBOZMB3891 UNCLAS trial.

* Numerous ECS inputs were not connected.

* Amot lube oil temperature regulating valves in the main propulsion diesel engine (MPDE) lube oil systems were improperly set. Incorrectly regulated MPDE engine lube oil temperature prevented the ship from making full power for a sustained period. Engine lube oil temperatures while at full power, drove lube oil temps out of limits high (in excess of 140 degrees F).

B. Auxiliaries

* Nrs 1, 2, and 3 cargo and weapons elevators installation was incomplete and untested.

* Chilled water plant titanium heat exchangers were not provided with chlorinators/dechlorinators.

* In the forward waterheater/dumbwaiter room, the dumbwaiter hoist cable drum lacked a safety guard to prevent a person from becoming accidentally caught up in the machine.

* Anchor windlass hydraulic system, inlet and outlet sides of the coolers, lacked several required thermometers.

* Steering system port rudder exceeded the maximum allowed difference between actual versus ordered rudder position (did not meet the new page 06 RHBOZMB3891 UNCLAS construction 1/4 degree specification).

* While the inflatable boot on the port rudder post was inflated the shipyard cycled the port rudder. The integrity of this inflatable boot was questionable. To verify boot integrity, the shipbuilder reinflated the boot to 80 PSI and it held pressure for 10 minutes. Recommend visual inspection of this boot during the planned PSA drydocking.

* Reefer machinery and chilled water plant machinery room space halocarbon monitoring and alarm systems were inop.

C. Electrical

* SSDGs suffer from oil foaming. Nrs 1 and 2 SSDGs oil was changed within two days of the ship getting underway on builders trial. 3 of 5 SSDGs had filters replaced with new mesh and micron filters. The problem was not observed during the A.T., but these engines were run insufficiently to fully evaluate the repair.

* 5 of 5 SSDG enclosures had electrical junction boxes and controllers located beneath the deck plates. Additionally, several of the controllers could not be opened because they were fouled by permanently installed deck plate support structures.

* 60 HZ LCAC power system was incomplete. page 07 RHBOZMB3891 UNCLAS

* Advanced automatic degaussing system/magnetic signature control system installation was incomplete and untested.

* The 12 (EW/SSES warning) and 75 (DECON announcing) MC announcing systems were incomplete and untested.

* DArken ship system installation was incomplete and untested. Lack of louvers installed over the ventilation fan room inlet plenums and numerous motor controllers throughout the ship constituted light leaks.

* Not all electrical/electronic spaces were equipped with electric grade deck matting as required.

D. Damage control

* Smoke ejection system installation was incomplete and untested.

* Numerous MCTs cannot be made watertight in their present configuration due to excessive cable penetrations, poor craftsmanship and quality installation, and overstuffing of MCTs.

* Remote operators throughout the machinery spaces were connected to the valve stems via aluminum handwheels.

* Breathing air system was not complete. The ship was not equipped with EBACS. There was no way to recharge self-contained breather apparatus (SCBA) air bottles. Air main flasks were not installed. page 08 RHBOZMB3891 UNCLAS The piping system was incomplete. Compressors were neither connected nor tested.

* All SSDG reserve HFP fire extinguishing system does not meet requirements of mil spec MIL-E-24572B for a type III system. The reserve system ventilation pressure switch does not secure the ventilation fans in the SSDG enclosure upon HFP actuation.

* Flight deck AFFF sprinkling at the centerline of the deck was inadequate.

* Collective protection system (CPS) installation was incomplete and untested.

* Countermeasure water washdown system (CMWWS) zones 1 through 5 were incomplete and untested.

* Decontamination stations were incomplete.

* 476 of 576 watertight closures were not tested because of the large number of temporary services run throughout the ship. Watertight closure inspections for fit-up, warpage, dogging mechanism adjustment, and chalk test could not be completed.

* Remotely-operated firemain valves could not be operated electrically at the individual component in violation of ship spec 521D which states that local hard-wired control for each firemain pump and Part I OF III. Part II DTG 081812ZJUL05, Part III DTG 081813ZJUL05 MSGID/GENADMIN/PRESINSURV NORFOLK VA/-/JUL/ SUBJ/INSURV report for PCU San Antonio (LPD 17) acceptance trial (AT) motor-operated valve shall be available at the component.

* Main and auxiliary machinery space bilge sprinkling nozzles sprayed up and soaked various electrical components.

* Portable CO2, PKP, and AFFF fire extinguishers were missing throughout the ship or not installed per spec. No CO2 bottles were page 04 RHBOZMB3892 UNCLAS located within required distance of generators, switchboards, and load centers.

* 19 of 137 required fire stations were not installed. All fire stations had numerous discrepancies to include missing inventory placard (none installed), bullseyes (none installed), hose straps (none installed), hoses, spanner wrenches and securing brackets, nozzle secured brackets, incorrect nozzles, etc.

* Heat and smoke detection system installation was incomplete. Two zones were incomplete. 400 of 1179 detectors were incomplete and untested. There were 83 detectors with active faults.

* AFFF sprinkling groups 5, 6, 8, and 9 were incomplete (vehicle stowage areas).

* Berthing compartment sprinkler systems for 02-0 and 02-2 systems were incomplete.

* WPCS communications system installation was incomplete and untested.

* 8 of 11 deballast air main isolation valves were inaccessible and required remote operators. because of the lift and rigging gear required to access these valves, their placement would hinder rapid casualty response in the event sections of the deballast air main needed to be isolated to support continued deballast operations. Page 05 RHBOZMB3892 UNCLAS

* IPDS installation was incomplete and untested.

* Non-engineering space HFP installations were incomplete and untested. BT #3892 NNNN

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Johnnyringo
07-22-2005, 09:20 PM
Maybe I don't get it... but why hurry one "stealth" ship into a fleet with 6 other "non-Stealth" ships...

Work out the kinks (they seem like large ones by the post) and make sure the next 5 ships don't have the same problems.

jetsetter
07-23-2005, 03:34 AM
I suspect that several of the problems are overstated. Things like this always happen with the first of any class of vehicle or weapon. The problems will be corrected in this ship and the future ships of this class.

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 05:02 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 05:05 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 05:09 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

Strykers are great in Iraq , How many soldiers killed when they in strykers ?

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 05:28 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

Strykers are great in Iraq , How many soldiers killed when they in strykers ?

Use google

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/military/stryker/story/3872867p-3466628c.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000543.html

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 05:42 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

Strykers are great in Iraq , How many soldiers killed when they in strykers ?

Use google

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/military/stryker/story/3872867p-3466628c.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000543.html

Don't forgot two years , two SBCTs and 600 strykers used in there .

Stryker and Crew Survive 500 Pound Bomb (http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2004101123.asp)

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 05:51 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

Strykers are great in Iraq , How many soldiers killed when they in strykers ?

Use google

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/military/stryker/story/3872867p-3466628c.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000543.html

Don't forgot two years , two SBCTs and 600 strykers used in there .

Stryker and Crew Survive 500 Pound Bomb (http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2004101123.asp)


This is just a retarded example, even a unarmored VW Beetle will survive a 500 Pound bomb if its far away. :cantbeli:

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 06:00 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

Strykers are great in Iraq , How many soldiers killed when they in strykers ?

Use google

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/military/stryker/story/3872867p-3466628c.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000543.html

Don't forgot two years , two SBCTs and 600 strykers used in there .

Stryker and Crew Survive 500 Pound Bomb (http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2004101123.asp)


This is just a retarded example, even a unarmored VW Beetle will survive a 500 Pound bomb if its far away. :cantbeli:


The bomb hit stryker , you can watch photo .

:slap:

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 06:03 AM
So what, other (tracked) vehicles in the same distance wouldnt have flipped over and didnt get a scratch.

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 06:06 AM
So what, other (tracked) vehicles in the same distance wouldnt have flipped over and didnt get a scratch.

I remember army lose 2 M1s(1 sep ?) because IED .

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 06:08 AM
So what, other (tracked) vehicles in the same distance wouldnt have flipped over and didnt get a scratch.

I remember army lose 2 M1s(1 sep ?) because IED .

Well, because they were used directly UNDER the tanks. :roll:

ViktorNavorski
07-23-2005, 06:09 AM
Okay, this is real easy to solve, get some pictures or video of either an unarmored VW Beetle or another similar tracked vehicles with a 500lbs IED next to it, detonate the thing and if it doesn't flip and come away without a scratch, we'll continue the discussion. If not, what is the term that is used around here...oh, STFU.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, the commissioning of the San Antonio is tentatively schedule for October 1, 2005 and I believed she already completed sea trials.

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 06:12 AM
So what, other (tracked) vehicles in the same distance wouldnt have flipped over and didnt get a scratch.

I remember army lose 2 M1s(1 sep ?) because IED .

Well, because they were used directly UNDER the tanks. :roll:

That's if you have larger bomb , you can attack any MBT .

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 06:16 AM
So what, other (tracked) vehicles in the same distance wouldnt have flipped over and didnt get a scratch.

I remember army lose 2 M1s(1 sep ?) because IED .

Well, because they were used directly UNDER the tanks. :roll:

That's if you have larger bomb , you can attack any MBT .

Right, you can kill any vehicle by IED. Including the Stryker.

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 06:25 AM
So what, other (tracked) vehicles in the same distance wouldnt have flipped over and didnt get a scratch.

I remember army lose 2 M1s(1 sep ?) because IED .

Well, because they were used directly UNDER the tanks. :roll:

That's if you have larger bomb , you can attack any MBT .

Right, you can kill any vehicle by IED. Including the Stryker.

And it must larger IED .

p-)

ElHombre
07-23-2005, 09:03 AM
back to the original subject...

what's the odd blur in the upper-left of the photo?

did someone invent a cloaking device? ;)

Lt-Col A. Tack
07-23-2005, 09:27 AM
It's the fleet's first "gender-neutral" ship, with living quarters and showers for women.

Something like Starship Troopers :D

JoaMei
07-23-2005, 09:29 AM
It's the fleet's first "gender-neutral" ship, with living quarters and showers for women.

Something like Starship Troopers :D

No, actually the exact counterpart.

CG51
07-23-2005, 09:45 AM
Stryker is poorly armed for a vehicle its size...

CG51
07-23-2005, 09:46 AM
http://www.usscurtissav4.com/uss%20san%20antonio5.jpg

Is it me or is this pic altered or PS?

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-23-2005, 10:14 AM
I am not really surprised by this news as most if not all new ships undergoing a construction audit will fall down in some of the specs, the suggestion that the electrical systems are not up to scratch is a worry though. One vessel I worked on caught fire when we finished fishing trials (bad wiring) we were hoovering dry powder extinguisher up for about two days after that, the f*ckin stuff gets everywhere.

Apogee
07-23-2005, 12:41 PM
Stryker is poorly armed for a vehicle its size...

Its not meant to be a main battle tank or anything close. Its an ICV (Infantry Carrier Vehcile) aka an armored taxi to get to the fight. And if you're coming from a light infantry unit, 2 M2s and 2 MK-19s is a pretty decent support by fire compared to just 2 M240bs.

Lokos
07-23-2005, 01:20 PM
Why don't we stop talking about the Stryker in a thread about the San Antonio?

Lokos

seruriermarshal
07-23-2005, 05:39 PM
Is it me or is this pic altered or PS?

I take a photo not PS .

:hug:

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2458/100917078vc.jpg

futurepilot2004
07-23-2005, 11:07 PM
The Stryker is already in service and has been (under several different names) for a large number of other armies around the world before becoming operational with the US Army. As some posters have mention, its not meant to be a MBT, but in its role, it is extremely effective. It gives almost the same protection as a AFV but with increased speed thereby giving it futher protection from RPG etc attack.
I really don`t understand the critcism that some people have laid upon the Stryker, most NATO (and other countries, including my own) have realised the pro`s of wheeled APCs.

CG51
07-23-2005, 11:40 PM
The wheeled vs tracked vehicle debate goes on. Lets learn from the Russians in Chechnya about wheeled vehicles in built up areas. Im sure the Stryker is a fine vehicle but the fact that they are adding armor to it in the field tells that its not up to standard for urban combat.

futurepilot2004
07-23-2005, 11:53 PM
The wheeled vs tracked vehicle debate goes on. Lets learn from the Russians in Chechnya about wheeled vehicles in built up areas. Im sure the Stryker is a fine vehicle but the fact that they are adding armor to it in the field tells that its not up to standard for urban combat.

But even the Warrior has had the anti RPG armour added to it in Iraq so.....

jetsetter
07-24-2005, 12:27 AM
The Russians just bought more Wheeled vehicles after watching the situation with the Stryker in Iraq.

usa320
07-24-2005, 12:34 AM
Media always talk sh*t , they blame Stryker too .

Striker IS a Lemon too. There are better vehicles available in the US.

Strykers are great in Iraq , How many soldiers killed when they in strykers ?

Use google

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/military/stryker/story/3872867p-3466628c.html

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000543.html

Don't forgot two years , two SBCTs and 600 strykers used in there .

Stryker and Crew Survive 500 Pound Bomb (http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_2004101123.asp)


This is just a retarded example, even a unarmored VW Beetle will survive a 500 Pound bomb if its far away. :cantbeli:

Thats a retarded example?

I thought the example you posted was far more retarded.

In one, the two casualties were caused no because of the stryker, but because of poor Iraqi infrastructure. The road fell out from under it and it tumbled.

The other article is BEFORE the RPG cages were fitted.