Egyptian TV 'experts' blame Israel

[Tikvah]

Several Egyptian "security experts" and "political analysts" interviewed by Arab TV stations after the Sharm e-Sheikh bombings on Saturday claimed that Israel and Jews were behind the carnage.

The accusations were made despite a claim of responsibility by a group citing ties to al-Qaida, according to a statement posted on an Islamic Web site.

Similar charges have been made against Israel in the past, particularly after the suicide attack at the Taba Hilton Hotel in October 2004 and after the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington.

However, most Egyptian government officials refrained from accusing Israel, pointing out that extremist Muslim groups were most likely responsible for the attacks.

Shortly after the attacks, Egypt's state-run television interviewed retired army general Fuad Allam. He said that he was almost certain that Israel was behind the attacks at Sharm e-Sheikh and Taba.

According to Fuad, investigations have shown that the mastermind of the Taba attack was a Palestinian "apparently linked to Israel's security forces." He added: "I'm almost certain that Israel was also behind this attack because they want to undermine our government and deal a severe blow to our economy. The only ones who benefit from these attacks are the Israelis and the Americans."

Allam's remarks were reaired several times during
the day by Egyptian TV. Other commentators who made similar charges against Israel included political figures and prominent journalists.

Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, the Arab world's leading satellite TV stations, also hosted a number of commentators who claimed that Israel was behind the latest wave of terror in Egypt.
Dia Rashwan, an expert on Islamic terror groups, said in a phone interview with Al-Arabiya from Cairo: "Israel is the only country that benefits from this."

Dismissing the theory that al-Qaida was behind the attacks, Rashwan explained: "We are giving al-Qaida more credit than it deserves. What happened here negates the possibility that the attacks were carried out by ordinary elements. This is the work of an extraordinary element – one that benefits from such attacks. All the available details indicate that only the Israelis could have done this."

Majdi Birnawi, another "security expert," told Al-Jazeera that "I believe that Mossad or some other [Israeli] security organization carried out this attack."

Birnawi said he believed Saturday's attacks were in response to the attack at the Taba Hilton, in which 12 Israelis were killed. "Everyone knows that there are no Israelis in Sharm e-Sheikh," he said. "There are only Western tourists there. That's why it's wrong to assume that the perpetrators were targeting Israelis."


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1122085380681

Huh. :roll:

[jedisponge]

Go Egypt. :roll:

[ramy]

thats about normal for Egypt
:lol: rofl rofl rofl

[seruriermarshal]

That's why the anti-terrorists so hard .

[Hugh Jardon]

All religious extremists are to blame, including the headbanging "settlers".

Good people should round them up and shoot every one of them, both Muslim AND Jewish nutcases.

[JoaMei]

All religious extremists are to blame, including the headbanging "settlers".

Good people should round them up and shoot every one of them, both Muslim AND Jewish nutcases.

x2

[Beerman]

All religious extremists are to blame, including the headbanging "settlers".

Good people should round them up and shoot every one of them, both Muslim AND Jewish nutcases.

This is so logical. Muslim Al-qaeda terrorist bombs Muslim country... but somehow it is the fault of all religious "extremists".

[RP]

Omg, they found out, i don't belive it.

err, stupid mossad can't do one thing right.

[Pille1234]

Omg, they found out, i don't belive it.

err, stupid mossad can't do one thing right.
:lol:
Hard to live without sarcasm these days.

[UoUo]

All religious extremists are to blame, including the headbanging "settlers".

Good people should round them up and shoot every one of them, both Muslim AND Jewish nutcases.

Jeeezzzzzzz how the Settelers have anything to do with this? :cantbeli: :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

[UoUo]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

[alexz]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

X2

[Javehn]

All religious extremists are to blame, including the headbanging "settlers".

Good people should round them up and shoot every one of them, both Muslim AND Jewish nutcases.

This is so logical. Muslim Al-qaeda terrorist bombs Muslim country... but somehow it is the fault of all religious "extremists".

Euro apologism logic . But they would eventually wake up .

[GrimReaper]

All religious extremists are to blame, including the headbanging "settlers".

Good people should round them up and shoot every one of them, both Muslim AND Jewish nutcases.

This is so logical. Muslim Al-qaeda terrorist bombs Muslim country... but somehow it is the fault of all religious "extremists".

Euro apologism logic . But they would eventually wake up .
Maybe when they are forced to start pumping bullets into suicide bomber suspects... Oh, wait :cantbeli: nevermind...

[Clarsachier]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

Do you really want me to google up terrorism incidents by Israeli right wing extremeists?

How about let's start with Rabin's assasanation.

I don't agree all settlers or Pals should be shot but all terrorist should be. Wheather Christian anti abortion bombers, Jewish extremist, Jihadi, whatever.

[Javehn]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

Do you really want me to google up terrorism incidents by Israeli right wing extremeists?

How about let's start with Rabin's assasanation.

I don't agree all settlers or Pals should be shot but all terrorist should be. Wheather Christian anti abortion bombers, Jewish extremist, Jihadi, whatever.

A whole one person !!
It reminds me the perfect EU folks trick : When someone starts to talk about Palestinian / Arab terror , whose count is way over thousand , they bring back the same issues - Dir Yassin , Sabra and Shatila / other slip and half . It supposed to prove somehow that Jewish extremism is on the same scale . EU apologists logic ....
BTW , it's called assasin and not terrorist . Thought according to BBC , no such thing as terrorist .

[UoUo]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

Do you really want me to google up terrorism incidents by Israeli right wing extremeists?



Yes! give to me...i bet you whould find no more than 3 or 4.

[futurepilot2004]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

Do you really want me to google up terrorism incidents by Israeli right wing extremeists?



Yes! give to me...i bet you whould find no more than 3 or 4.

3 or 4? I can only think of 2.

[UoUo]

Even than they all were cought and judegd by Israeli court siystem.

[Clarsachier]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.

Do you really want me to google up terrorism incidents by Israeli right wing extremeists?



Yes! give to me...i bet you whould find no more than 3 or 4.


Like I said, let's start with Rabin's assasination.

BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Next, we will move onto the settler's attempt to bomb an aircraft two months ago - in order to stop the Gaza pullout-peace process - which was thwarted by IDF intel.

It's obvious that the same intel network that exists to protect Israel from
Arab terrorism also serves well to protect it from internal terrorism. Though obviously - it failed Rabin.

Anytime you have religous extremeists who think they're ordained to always be right on some issue and everybdy else is wrong - terrorism will follow.

[Javehn]

Next, we will move onto the settler's attempt to bomb an aircraft two months ago - in order to stop the Gaza pullout-peace process - which was thwarted by IDF intel.


Aha , right ....
Source please . :lol:


BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Everybody in Knesset wearing body armor ? :lol:

[GrimReaper]

Next, we will move onto the settler's attempt to bomb an aircraft two months ago - in order to stop the Gaza pullout-peace process - which was thwarted by IDF intel.

It's obvious that the same intel network that exists to protect Israel from
Arab terrorism also serves well to protect it from internal terrorism. Though obviously - it failed Rabin.

Anytime you have religous extremeists who think they're ordained to always be right on some issue and everybdy else is wrong - terrorism will follow.
After you stop foaming at the mouth, I would like to see a link to this "bomb attempt" considering no one in Israel has heard of it.

[Javehn]

Don't diss the man .
He have inside (very inside) intell :lol:

[Beerman]

Like I said, let's start with Rabin's assasination.

BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Next, we will move onto the settler's attempt to bomb an aircraft two months ago - in order to stop the Gaza pullout-peace process - which was thwarted by IDF intel.

It's obvious that the same intel network that exists to protect Israel from
Arab terrorism also serves well to protect it from internal terrorism. Though obviously - it failed Rabin.

Anytime you have religous extremeists who think they're ordained to always be right on some issue and everybdy else is wrong - terrorism will follow.


Still don't see how "all religious extremists" are at fault for the Sharm bombing.

[Clarsachier]

Like I said, let's start with Rabin's assasination.

BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Next, we will move onto the settler's attempt to bomb an aircraft two months ago - in order to stop the Gaza pullout-peace process - which was thwarted by IDF intel.

It's obvious that the same intel network that exists to protect Israel from
Arab terrorism also serves well to protect it from internal terrorism. Though obviously - it failed Rabin.

Anytime you have religous extremeists who think they're ordained to always be right on some issue and everybdy else is wrong - terrorism will follow.


Still don't see how "all religious extremists" are at fault for the Sharm bombing.


This was in response to UoUo's challenge to list Israeli right wing terrorist
incedents and is not in context with Egypt's statement of blaming Israel.

[Clarsachier]

BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Everybody in Knesset wearing body armor ? :lol:[/quote]

Yep ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1520807,00.html

Quote ;
Israeli government ministers have been fitted for body armour after death threats from rightwingers who oppose the planned withdrawal from settlements in Gaza and the northern West Bank.

[GrimReaper]

BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Everybody in Knesset wearing body armor ? :lol:

Yep ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1520807,00.html

Quote ;
Israeli government ministers have been fitted for body armour after death threats from rightwingers who oppose the planned withdrawal from settlements in Gaza and the northern West Bank.[/quote] [/quote]

The knesset is Israel Parliament, not all Knesset members are minsters, actually a minister doesn't have to be a KM. Therefore the statement is wrong.
By the way the number of prime minsters assasinated by Israelies is equal to the number of ministers assasinated by palestinian terrorists.

[Clarsachier]

Aha , right ....
Source please . :lol:


BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

I saw that one whilst on vacation overseas and I havn't been able to google it up - 'I'm sure you havn't heard of it.' :D

I'll let you know when I find it. Put it on hold.

But now let's not be sidetracked from discussing Israeli rightwing terror ;
The assasanation of your own president/prime minister through a rightwing terror plot is a much better example.

Did you not hear of this one as well? I can find better links to this one, I think! Please advise if I've got this wrong!

Based on this event and others - (do you need more examples?) - I tend
to give some creedence to reports of Israeli rightwing extremism.

After all your own parliment is wearing body armour in defence from said right wing extremist threats, in their own words so undoubtedly there's some danger? :)

(I see that the champions of argument by insult are arriving to 'lend a hand.' I'm sure when the argument beally begins to go badly for your side, they'll drop a mvslim insult in quickley and get the thread locked!)

[UoUo]

And i still waiting for a list.


until now you brought 1 case.

And 1 totally out of reality.

[Moledet]

Aha , right ....
Source please . :lol:


BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

I saw that one whilst on vacation overseas and I havn't been able to google it up - 'I'm sure you havn't heard of it.' :D

I'll let you know when I find it. Put it on hold.

But now let's not be sidetracked from discussing Israeli rightwing terror ;
The assasanation of your own president/prime minister through a rightwing terror plot is a much better example.

Did you not hear of this one as well? I can find better links to this one, I think! Please advise if I've got this wrong!

Based on this event and others - (do you need more examples?) - I tend
to give some creedence to reports of Israeli rightwing extremism.

After all your own parliment is wearing body armour in defence from said right wing extremist threats, in their own words so undoubtedly there's some danger? :)

(I see that the champions of argument by insult are arriving to 'lend a hand.' I'm sure when the argument beally begins to go badly for your side, they'll drop a mvslim insult in quickley and get the thread locked!)
They don't actualy wear the body armor, the Knesset Guard checked their sizes to order body armor for them.
Right now they were not told to wear it, but if the security agencies will think that the ministers need to wear BP vests than they'll have one in the ministers sizes in stock.

[Clarsachier]

And i still waiting for a list.


until now you brought 1 case.

And 1 totally out of reality.


Hoping I'll give up? :lol:

Sigh.

If you insist. I'm not up for boring internet search at the moment. Have a good evening and I have it ready for you tomorrow. You know it's not difficult so I think you're hoping the thread will get shut down due to idiots beforehand.

BTW, I don't at all think Israel is the worst country in the ME or anything is totally their fault or anything like that. But the missinformation campaign that asserts 'Israel's never wrong' and the constant "everybody's picking on us when we're perfect" just doesn't cut it.

[Clarsachier]

Aha , right ....
Source please . :lol:


BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

I saw that one whilst on vacation overseas and I havn't been able to google it up - 'I'm sure you havn't heard of it.' :D

I'll let you know when I find it. Put it on hold.

But now let's not be sidetracked from discussing Israeli rightwing terror ;
The assasanation of your own president/prime minister through a rightwing terror plot is a much better example.

Did you not hear of this one as well? I can find better links to this one, I think! Please advise if I've got this wrong!

Based on this event and others - (do you need more examples?) - I tend
to give some creedence to reports of Israeli rightwing extremism.

After all your own parliment is wearing body armour in defence from said right wing extremist threats, in their own words so undoubtedly there's some danger? :)

(I see that the champions of argument by insult are arriving to 'lend a hand.' I'm sure when the argument beally begins to go badly for your side, they'll drop a mvslim insult in quickley and get the thread locked!)
They don't actualy wear the body armor, the Knesset Guard checked their sizes to order body armor for them.
Right now they were not told to wear it, but if the security agencies will think that the ministers need to wear BP vests than they'll have one in the ministers sizes in stock.

Better to be safe rather than sorry. It's an indication that extremism has
to eb addressed wheather you sympathise with the 'cause' or not.

[Clarsachier]

BTW, why is the Knessett convening wearing body armour, Huh? Hammas?

Everybody in Knesset wearing body armor ? :lol:

Yep ; http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1520807,00.html



The knesset is Israel Parliament, not all Knesset members are minsters, actually a minister doesn't have to be a KM. Therefore the statement is wrong.
By the way the number of prime minsters assasinated by Israelies is equal to the number of ministers assasinated by palestinian terrorists.


So, 'right wingers got 1 prime minister and the Pals got 1 regular minister - what?

[UoUo]

Jezzz like important people in other people don't wear body armor or don't have protection and guards. :roll:

[Clarsachier]

Jezzz like important people in other people don't wear body armor or don't have protection and guards. :roll:

Sorry but that's not even a close comparison.

No other example where body armour's worn to protect the entire parliment from their own country's right wing who've issued death threats.
That I've heard of.

And BTW, I read the article and I find it hard to believe.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.Try this for size.
JEWISH TERROR SUSPECTS TO BE CHARGED
Police have recommended that four suspected members of a Jewish terror group be charged with attempting to blow up an Arab girls' school in Jerusalem on April 29. Among the four is former Kach activist Noam Federman
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=168003&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Every society has its nutcases lucky for the Pali's Israel's are pretty dumb.
;)

[seruriermarshal]

JEWISH TERROR SUSPECTS TO BE CHARGED
Police have recommended that four suspected members of a Jewish terror group be charged with attempting to blow up an Arab girls' school in Jerusalem on April 29. Among the four is former Kach activist Noam Federman
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=168003&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Every society has its nutcases lucky for the Pali's Israel's are pretty dumb.
;)

But Israel TV don't blame Islam for that .

:backhand:

[UoUo]

Jezzz like important people in other people don't wear body armor or don't have protection and guards. :roll:

Sorry but that's not even a close comparison.

No other example where body armour's worn to protect the entire parliment from their own country's right wing who've issued death threats.
That I've heard of.

And BTW, I read the article and I find it hard to believe.

I don't get where do you find that ****?
That the stupid thing i ever heard.

Not all the parliment worn body armour's.

[GrimReaper]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.Try this for size.
JEWISH TERROR SUSPECTS TO BE CHARGED
Police have recommended that four suspected members of a Jewish terror group be charged with attempting to blow up an Arab girls' school in Jerusalem on April 29. Among the four is former Kach activist Noam Federman
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=168003&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Every society has its nutcases lucky for the Pali's Israel's are pretty dumb.
;)
Lucky for you have a case from three years ago which you can recycle every time. An attempt which was stopped and two people were convicted and will serve their entire prison term (the other suspects found not-guilty).
Only pseudo-humanists like some here can find that comparable to the list of palestinian based terror.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm

[olowy]

JEWISH TERROR SUSPECTS TO BE CHARGED
Police have recommended that four suspected members of a Jewish terror group be charged with attempting to blow up an Arab girls' school in Jerusalem on April 29. Among the four is former Kach activist Noam Federman
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=168003&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Every society has its nutcases lucky for the Pali's Israel's are pretty dumb.
;)

But Israel TV don't blame Islam for that .

:backhand:

And that is the key to this stupied argument. Yes there are Jewish extremist. They have attempted to bomb the school and there have been other plots (I remember reading that there was someone shoting palestinians but I can't remember if the guy was caught or it was a hoax). But those attackers are investigated and jailed by the Israelis and the Shin Beit. However, the Israelis don't blame those attacks on the palestinians. Also, in those attacks nobody blames the palestinians so why drag Israel into an al-quada attack on Egypt that was aimed at Israelis, Europeans and other CIVLIANS.

[Clarsachier]

[
I don't get where do you find that ****?
That the stupid thing i ever heard.

Not all the parliment worn body armour's.[/quote]


Okay Yo Yo, here's another link just for you. Yes I did make a small
mistake they can't find any armor that will fit Sharon!

Anyway, my point is the Israeli right wing is a big problem in Israel and they practise terrorism (or assasanation - no semantics please) to promote their cause of conflict with the Arabs.

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5918024&cKey=1120413023000

[Kilgor]

This topic has run too far off course by the hi-jackers.

"oh what about jewish extremism" rant rant.

Of course there are christian and jewish extremists but they pale in comparision to the activities of islamic groups. Comments like this are nothing out of the ordinary from the arab world, who have a third reich mentality of blaming all their woes on jews. The whole education, media and government just throws trashy comments like this around all the time.

[Clarsachier]

Only pseudo-humanists like some here can find that comparable to the list of palestinian based terror.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm[/quote]

Israel's killed a lot more Palestinians than Pals have killed Israelis so yes
it's quite comparable.

It's not a question of 'humanism' so much as basic justice and common sense. Because they're state sponsored 'collateral damage', 'regrettably' killed by IDF forces during legitimate military action such as 'targeted killings' that seems okay to you.

Such extremism is not accepted by most of the world and is what's causing Israel's problems. Even orthodox Jews are demonstrating against
Israel's actions and distancing them from the Jewish state.

Back on topic : personally, I don't believe that the Israeli government would condone, nor fail to prevent a terrorist act such as this. However, it's shown that the Israeli right wingers may be capable of it. So, there's just a little possibility that there may be some truth to the Egyptian's claim.

[UoUo]

Only pseudo-humanists like some here can find that comparable to the list of palestinian based terror.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm

Israel's killed a lot more Palestinians than Pals have killed Israelis so yes
it's quite comparable.

It's not a question of 'humanism' so much as basic justice and common sense. Because they're state sponsored 'collateral damage', 'regrettably' killed by IDF forces during legitimate military action such as 'targeted killings' that seems okay to you.

Such extremism is not accepted by most of the world and is what's causing Israel's problems. Even orthodox Jews are demonstrating against
Israel's actions and distancing them from the Jewish state.

Back on topic : personally, I don't believe that the Israeli government would condone, nor fail to prevent a terrorist act such as this. However, it's shown that the Israeli right wingers may be capable of it. So, there's just a little possibility that there may be some truth to the Egyptian's claim.[/quote]

And USA killed much more Iraqis than Iraq killed American.

:roll:

that mean USA = Iraqi terrorists? :cantbeli:

[Clarsachier]

Back on topic : personally, I don't believe that the Israeli government would condone, nor fail to prevent a terrorist act such as this. However, it's shown that the Israeli right wingers may be capable of it. So, there's just a little possibility that there may be some truth to the Egyptian's claim.[/quote]

And USA killed much more Iraqis than Iraq killed American.

:roll:

that mean USA = Iraqi terrorists? :cantbeli:[/quote]

I didn't say Israel actions = the Pals actions. I didn't even imply it. My whole point, Israel is responsible for it's dilema at least 50% - you're the civilized ones - no doubt about that. But then, that means a higher standard and ------- taking responsibilty.

[UoUo]

I still don't get your point.

You sayed we have Jewish exstrimst among us.
Hell yes.
I agree with you, with have our crazy people but the key word is "exstrimst" and we deal with them. put them in jail and judge them.

Unlike the palstinain that suscide boomers become holy.

you can't see the point yet?
If we were the same as the palstinains there were no plastinains left.

Oh - and about the body armour thing. please man just stop it and don't make yourself stupid.
Not all the Israeli parliment wear body armour.

And your remark about Sharon - it was intented to insult me or what? :roll: :roll:

[Clarsachier]

I still don't get your point.

You sayed we have Jewish exstrimst among us.
Hell yes.

That's my point - you do get it.

I agree with you, with have our crazy people but the key word is "exstrimst" and we deal with them. put them in jail and judge them.

Unlike the palstinain that suscide boomers become holy.

you can't see the point yet?
If we were the same as the palstinains there were no plastinains left.

Didn't say you were the same I say you're equally responsible.

Oh - and about the body armour thing. please man just stop it and don't make yourself stupid.
Not all the Israeli parliment wear body armour.

They were fitted for armour by Israeli security due to right wing terrorist
threats. Same thing, so far as my point goes. (See above if you've forgotten what my point was.)

Try to be clear : So you're denying that the link(s) I posted are true??

And your remark about Sharon - it was intented to insult me or what? :roll: :roll:

You didn't even read the linked article, did you? That was Sharon's response when security told him and Knesset they would be fitted for body armor. Yes, I thought it was funny.

[Flagg]

Several Egyptian "security experts" and "political analysts" interviewed by Arab TV stations after the Sharm e-Sheikh bombings on Saturday claimed that Israel and Jews were behind the carnage.

The accusations were made despite a claim of responsibility by a group citing ties to al-Qaida, according to a statement posted on an Islamic Web site.

Similar charges have been made against Israel in the past, particularly after the suicide attack at the Taba Hilton Hotel in October 2004 and after the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington.

However, most Egyptian government officials refrained from accusing Israel, pointing out that extremist Muslim groups were most likely responsible for the attacks.

Shortly after the attacks, Egypt's state-run television interviewed retired army general Fuad Allam. He said that he was almost certain that Israel was behind the attacks at Sharm e-Sheikh and Taba.

According to Fuad, investigations have shown that the mastermind of the Taba attack was a Palestinian "apparently linked to Israel's security forces." He added: "I'm almost certain that Israel was also behind this attack because they want to undermine our government and deal a severe blow to our economy. The only ones who benefit from these attacks are the Israelis and the Americans."

Allam's remarks were reaired several times during
the day by Egyptian TV. Other commentators who made similar charges against Israel included political figures and prominent journalists.

Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, the Arab world's leading satellite TV stations, also hosted a number of commentators who claimed that Israel was behind the latest wave of terror in Egypt.
Dia Rashwan, an expert on Islamic terror groups, said in a phone interview with Al-Arabiya from Cairo: "Israel is the only country that benefits from this."

Dismissing the theory that al-Qaida was behind the attacks, Rashwan explained: "We are giving al-Qaida more credit than it deserves. What happened here negates the possibility that the attacks were carried out by ordinary elements. This is the work of an extraordinary element – one that benefits from such attacks. All the available details indicate that only the Israelis could have done this."

Majdi Birnawi, another "security expert," told Al-Jazeera that "I believe that Mossad or some other [Israeli] security organization carried out this attack."

Birnawi said he believed Saturday's attacks were in response to the attack at the Taba Hilton, in which 12 Israelis were killed. "Everyone knows that there are no Israelis in Sharm e-Sheikh," he said. "There are only Western tourists there. That's why it's wrong to assume that the perpetrators were targeting Israelis."


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1122085380681

Huh. :roll:

To get back on topic........

I reckon it's in BOTH the US and Israel's best interest for Egypt to remain stable and to be economically successful.

However, it IS in the best interest of fundamentalist extremists to undermine the weak Egyptian economy by scaring away tourists(again) and their hard currency like the Luxor massacre in the late 90's.

Egypt is an often overlooked cornerstone of fragile stability for the region. It may have a vaneer of democracy with a "President", but it is fragile due to the fact Mubarak is as old as dirt, there is no CLEAR successor, unemployment is rampant, and Egypt's economy is perpetually in the toilet propped up only with foreign aid........a potential perfect storm for a fundamentalist uprising.

If such obvious garbage can be aired to satiate the masses by an ally, imagine the possible harm caused by a less hospitable government?

[Moledet]

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I don't get where do you find that ****?
That the stupid thing i ever heard.

Not all the parliment worn body armour's.


Okay Yo Yo, here's another link just for you. Yes I did make a small
mistake they can't find any armor that will fit Sharon!

Anyway, my point is the Israeli right wing is a big problem in Israel and they practise terrorism (or assasanation - no semantics please) to promote their cause of conflict with the Arabs.

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5918024&cKey=1120413023000[/quote]
Right wing is a problem? 70% of the Israelis are right wing. Sharon is right wing, Likud is right wing.

[OMEGA7]

I think the israel and parestina's possible very camplicated but I think america has to go newtral corner with israel between parestina , and the teenager has killed of Israel soldiers , it is very intencify incident has became , the incident is any body looking this like problem who anybody make be anger for this affair , why did the israel soldier killed to the teenager ? the teenager has occured to some suspected ? or tried to kamikaze? please tell me why does teenager was killed by them but the israel has delaied pull out from gaza distriction around 3month , why does they delaid about their think? any way , I will check to before some man has wrriten and appeared in his mail has Email address . and then I will write about why does they were trying to killing of him?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Btw pleast inlight me how extrimst those "jewish nutcase" are? to they blow palstinains busses? :roll:

Damm i am so sick about people like you.

Like mayor of london comareing the "likud" with the Hamas.Try this for size.
JEWISH TERROR SUSPECTS TO BE CHARGED
Police have recommended that four suspected members of a Jewish terror group be charged with attempting to blow up an Arab girls' school in Jerusalem on April 29. Among the four is former Kach activist Noam Federman
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=168003&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0
Every society has its nutcases lucky for the Pali's Israel's are pretty dumb.
;)
Lucky for you have a case from three years ago which you can recycle every time. An attempt which was stopped and two people were convicted and will serve their entire prison term (the other suspects found not-guilty).
Only pseudo-humanists like some here can find that comparable to the list of palestinian based terror.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htmYes lucky me, this article has been useful in the past. I in no way find the acts of terror carried out by Jewish civilians comparable to the ones carried out by Pali civilians, but the hatred and intent is present amongst sections of Israeli society. Israel has excellent domestic intelligence so I can assume that the Kach will never pull off an act of any significance, and fact that Kach members are dumb inbred ultra orthodox nutters does help.

P.S I have been told by a Jewish pal that many of the Kach are from the US and most of their funds are raised there, there is also a connection with the US west coast crystal meth trade.

[UoUo]

geeezzz.

I still don't get the point of telling we that are Israeli extrimst.
The only diffrend is that among the palstinains they don't called extrimsts.
they are heroes.

And in every society there are crazy ass people.
In the USA in Europe and so on...

[Cygnus]

Reminds me of sept 11... All the Arabs in my work place cheered and there was 15 minute break allowed by the supervisors [including mine]. we expats just shook our heads. :cantbeli: