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scoone
01-13-2004, 08:16 AM
U.S. officer says American troops likely shot Iraqis
Tue 13 January, 2004
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By C. Bryson Hull

TIKRIT, Iraq (*******) - A U.S. Army commander says it appears likely American troops were responsible for killing an Iraqi family driving in northern Iraq earlier this month, an incident that has fuelled local tensions.

Lieutenant Colonel Steve Russell, commander of the 4th Infantry Division's 1/22 battalion, had earlier said it was possible U.S. forces were involved in the January 3 incident in which at least three people died in a hail of heavy gunfire.

In comments to reporters on Tuesday, Russell said the evidence pointed more directly to American involvement.

"I think it is likely coalition forces were involved given the fact that a heavy-calibre machine gun was used," Russell, whose unit patrols the area around Tikrit, said.

Russell said the size of the weapon used -- around a 50 calibre -- made it unlikely to be anyone other than U.S. troops. Such guns are generally around two metres long and have to be mounted on a vehicle, which makes them easy for U.S. patrols to spot if Iraqis have them, he said.

The U.S. military says a man, woman and child were killed in the shootings, while Iraqi police say the death toll included two men, a woman and nine-year-old boy. A survivor told Iraqi police an American convoy had opened fire on their vehicle.

Last week, the police chief investigating the shootings, General Mazhar Taha al-Ganaim, said he was "100 percent" certain U.S. troops were responsible for the attack. He said the family was fired upon as their car tried to pass the convoy.

One complication in the investigation, which Russell has turned over to his superiors and is now being handled in Baghdad, is the fact that no soldiers have made a report of any hostile contact, as normal military rules would require.

"The other thing that complicates it is the fact that the main supply road around Tikrit is used by hundreds of different units," Russell said, which leaves open the possibility that no members of the 4th Infantry Division were involved.

Russell said he was confident a full investigation would be conducted, given the media interest and the tragedy of the deaths. He said his unit was cooperating with the U.S. military and Iraqi authority investigations.

It is not the first time U.S. forces have been accused of opening fire on Iraqis travelling close to U.S. convoys.

On Monday, locals said two Iraqis driving behind a U.S. Humvee in Baghdad were killed when soldiers opened fire in a flash of panic after a roadside bomb exploded.

Guttorm
01-13-2004, 08:34 AM
Well, it's IS terrible.

But we can't understand what the allied troops are going through down there. You never know when a car or something blows up in your face.
I won't say that I condone it, but I understand that something like this can happen in a warzone.

Wacko
01-13-2004, 09:31 AM
That isn't true. American troops likeley Freedom. We gave the Iraq freedom!

UkrainianAmerican
01-13-2004, 10:09 AM
While i feel very sorry for the victims, i still dont get why they drove right behind an army convoy. I mean they do read newspapers about all the ambushes dont they?

Uncle Sam
01-13-2004, 10:14 AM
I just don't believe an American unit would just "open fire" with no reason, or provocation. I'm sure they are kinda testy about Iraqi civilians driving so close to their convoys, but not enough to shoot for no reason.

2Sheds_Jackson
01-13-2004, 10:38 AM
If I'm not mistaken - a car bomb had just recently gone off nearby. They were probably too close to the convoy and/or driving aggressively towards them.

It's a terrible thing, but the all the facts have yet to come out. We don't know yet if they were involved with the bombing etc. As has been said, it's doubtful the guys opened fire on them just because they enjoy shootin' up the locals.

If it's established that ROE were violated, then the people doing the shooting should be held responsible.

It is worth noting that these locals apparently think nothing of buzzing their civilian vehicles all around these heavily armed convoys. They couldn't really perceive us as a threat if they're willing to put the kids in the car and go for a drive so close to all these guns. If it were me, I'd keep well away from that stuff, as the stakes are too high to allow for even a small misunderstanding.