When you are an idiot....

[Marmot1]

Sorry for the burning flag but justice reached this guy ;)
http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/flagburning.jpg

anyone have any photos of stupid behave connected with military???

[Vance]

How many times am I going to see this? :cantbeli:

[Marmot1]

How many times am I going to see this? :cantbeli:
Well it's nice to look at idiot you can learnn a lot from it.... try to find deeper sense on this image :-)

[kinghk]

Sorry for the burning flag but justice reached this guy ;)
http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/flagburning.jpg

anyone have any photos of stupid behave connected with military???

Why is this guy an terrorist ?

[Skaman]

Sorry for the burning flag but justice reached this guy ;)
http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/flagburning.jpg

anyone have any photos of stupid behave connected with military???

Why is this guy an terrorist ?


I second that question?

[ibstolidude]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

[Whistler]

I personally really don't give a **** what ducimus puts in his sig but do you have to make it so god damned big?

I ****ing hate dumbasses with huge image sigs. Its bigger than most of your damn posts!

[Royal]

Ducimus - you have claimed in the past to be a member of your country's armed forces.

You are either; very young and stupid and have never seen active service (as many on this site would claim), or you do the gravest disrespect to the tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers who have served, fought, been wounded and died in the service of their or my country.

Whatever your thoughts about the legality of the coalitions actions in Iraq, your signature shows you have no care or thought about those Canadians, living and dead who serve or have served.

I am disgusted, words fail me.

[SFontaine]

It's just goddamn wording. I love it when Liberals jump on everything that isn't 100% Politically Correct.

Illegal Immigrants aren't Illegal Immigrants.. They're undocumented workers!

Can't say Merry Christmas, you gotta say Happy Holidays!

So on and so on. Give it a break.

[redhawk_six]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF ****ING SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

[ibstolidude]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?
First: I never stated that he lacked the right to make his comments, I never stated he should be booted or banned, I never stated that his opinions were not important...
What is stated was:

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...
Second, I made no comment, positive or negative, about his opinions of the war or on the gentleman in the picture...what I posted you reading comprehension impaired asss is that
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thingthen go into stating that the exploitation of a dead soldier (considering many countries have lost soldiers, including Canada) to further his(or anyone's) cause is ****ty.


I guess you think I infringed on his right to express his opinion by expressing mine..

So let me get this absolutley fuucking straight!

****(for short) has the Freedom of speech and can express his exploitation of the deaths of my brothers at arms (and his as he claims), which I disagree with doing...but I can not use my Freedom of Speech to tell him that I am dissapointed of him as a soldier ; to exploit his brothers deaths?
AND YET YOU CAN however use your freedom of speech directed at me to say that you are dissapointed that I would express my dissapointment of him?

You sir, are farking mental

I guess freedom of speech only works when you support stupidity?


lastly: When the FUUCK did I say **** about the guy in the picture..

[Skaman]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.


Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

[Whistler]

The problem with a lot of the left wing freaks these days is they think that "freedom of speech" means that they can say whatever they want, and nobody is allowed to disagree with them.

In reality "freedom of speech" means that you can say what you want, but the GOVERNMENT isn't allowed to ARREST you for it.

If you say something, you are using YOUR freedom of speech. If I disagree with you and call you an idiot, I am using MY freedom of speech.

There you go, isn't that great? Free speech 101.

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

[Trigger]

I see ****less19 is back to normal after the Christmas break...and pinkhawk_six: the original pic was a joke. No one know's if he's a terrorist or not. Idiot.

[ibstolidude]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.


Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

REALLY?
None have been sent to Iraq this go around?
you sure you don't want to research that!

[HappyCat]

oh me too, i want to use my freedom of speech!!! Ducimus is a dumbass. he has freedom of speech, and he can be an asshole, but why does he have to?

[Trigger]

douchelips19 wrote:

You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.
The Coalition breathes a sigh of relief.

[SFontaine]

I sure as hell hope he's burned to **** though.

[Skaman]

Ducimus - you have claimed in the past to be a member of your country's armed forces.

You are either; very young and stupid and have never seen active service (as many on this site would claim), or you do the gravest disrespect to the tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers who have served, fought, been wounded and died in the service of their or my country.

Whatever your thoughts about the legality of the coalitions actions in Iraq, your signature shows you have no care or thought about those Canadians, living and dead who serve or have served.

I am disgusted, words fail me.

I have not claimed, I am a soldier in CF. There are no Canadians serving in Iraq; second, my sig. aims to promote remorse for all soldiers of all nationality that face a horrible fate on Bush's accounts of 'foreign policy' and shame the government in doing so. I can proudly say, when Canadians die, they do so proud and for a worth while cause. If Americans died for Iraqi's, this would not be necessary.

How can I make my sig smaller?

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

[ibstolidude]

Ducimus - you have claimed in the past to be a member of your country's armed forces.

You are either; very young and stupid and have never seen active service (as many on this site would claim), or you do the gravest disrespect to the tens of thousands of Canadian soldiers who have served, fought, been wounded and died in the service of their or my country.

Whatever your thoughts about the legality of the coalitions actions in Iraq, your signature shows you have no care or thought about those Canadians, living and dead who serve or have served.

I am disgusted, words fail me.

I have not claimed, I am a soldier in CF. There are no Canadians serving in Iraq; second, my sig. aims to promote remorse for all soldiers of all nationality that face a horrible fate on Bush's accounts of 'foreign policy' and shame the government in doing so. I can proudly say, when Canadians die, they do so proud and for a worth while cause. If Americans died for Iraqi's, this would not be necessary.

How can I make my sig smaller?
I'd check again
;)
Funny will be when you find out you are wrong and back track saying things like: "well you know what I meant!" & "well I meant _____"

So are you telling me that there are NOT Canadians serving in Iraq nor have there been since the coaltion activities?

[Skaman]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.


Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

REALLY?
None have been sent to Iraq this go around?
you sure you don't want to research that!

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF? Plain and simple, Canada was not convinced of Bush's reasons for war, thus not sending troops. Money was a factor as well. ;)

[SFontaine]

You guys do realize the US has taken no oil from Iraq right? If they did they'd get so much critisicm from other countries.

Oh and professor.. Canada WAS going to send 800 soldiers to Iraq, but decided not to and dedicated them to A-Stan instead. Sorry Douchey but your bum-buddy Chretien was going to go to Iraq too.

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

[ibstolidude]

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF? Plain and simple, Canada was not convinced of Bush's reasons for war, thus not sending troops. Money was a factor as well. ;)http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/posting.php?mode=editpost&p=117100

Finally took a little time to research...well as is stated you would back track!


I would not go so far as to say they are limited to ships...but the 31 officers have been instructed to only fire in self defense. They must mean at sharks on the ships!

You have been wrong already on this topic...you sure that those are the only ones there?
6 were with the First U.K. Armoured Division

"The navy is almost doubling the number of warships it has in the Persian Gulf as Prime Minister Jean Chretien denied, then admitted, Canada is participating in the war against Iraq.

Chretien's denials came the same day a high-ranking British officer publicly confirmed that at least six Canadian soldiers are on an exchange program in the Iraq combat zone.

British Lt.-Col. Ronnie McCourt told CBC in Doha, Qatar, that the Canadians are seeing action with the First U.K. Armoured Division leading the ground offensive in Iraq.

When asked whether Canadians could be wounded or killed, McCourt said, "Oh yeah, I mean they're in combat. There's always a risk there."

That forced Chretien to admit yesterday that Canadian soldiers could be inside Iraq with coalition forces.

"It is possible that they are currently on the ground in Iraq," the PM told the Commons, adding they can only fire their weapons in self-defence."

Here is a great peace posted by some satirists mocking PM Cretin:

MARCH 28, 2003
Canadian troops involved in Iraqi war
The Department of National Defence has announced that Canadian troops are helping in the war on Iraq. DND
officials confirmed that about 31 Canadians are serving in exchange assignments with U.S. and British forces.
A spokesperson for the DND indicated, however, that the number itself is deceiving.
“Indeed, we only have 31 people involved, but that represents 85% of our total combat-ready personnel, so this
is a huge investment, relatively speaking,” said Colonel Jodie Bobtree.
Col. Bobtree said some Canadians are aboard American AWACS radar planes flying missions over Iraq.
AWACS planes are used for surveillance, and command and control operations.
Prime Minister Jean Chrétien confirmed that Canadians are serving on AWACS planes, but claimed they
weren't involved in the war on Iraq. “They are selling magazine subscriptions,” he said.
NDP Leader Jack Layton, addressing protesters in downtown Ottawa, called for Ottawa to call the troops home.
“If we are going to claim to be a nation of cowards, well by god, we should act like one,” he said to thunderous
applause.
COPYRIGHT 2003 CANADIAN LAW NEWS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
www.canadianlawnews.com

[Whistler]

I can proudly say, when Canadians die, they do so proud and for a worth while cause.

WTF?

I don't doubt you are in the Army, but dang, you sure don't talk like a soldier. How long you been in? Ever been deployed?

All that "proud to die for a worthwhile cause" sounds like the stuff REMF desk clerks say after watching too many John Wayne movies... the guys who have really seen the **** sure don't talk like that.

[BlackRain]

..

[Whistler]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.


Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

REALLY?
None have been sent to Iraq this go around?
you sure you don't want to research that!

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF? Plain and simple, Canada was not convinced of Bush's reasons for war, thus not sending troops. Money was a factor as well. ;)

Actually, there was a story in the Globe and Mail a few weeks ago about this.

There are several Canadians soldiers in Iraq serving exchange with the American and British Armies. At least one Canadian soldier has been wounded, grenade shrapnel somewhere near Baghdad.

So there you go Mr. Know it all ;).

[Skaman]

That forced Chretien to admit yesterday that Canadian soldiers could be inside Iraq with coalition forces.


Do you mean Martin, as Chrétien has been out of power for a few weeks?

I am not aware of any large scale of troops committed to combat rolls in Iraq. But, I will take your words seriously that there are a few serving with a UK armored division. I do not know of this. Canadians are not dying In Iraq and I am glad our resources are saved for operations such as Afghanistan. I do not support the war under the false pre-tenses Bush alluded to, thus the soldiers dying are doing so for false reasons. If this war was ever meant to be a liberation, I would support the operation tenfold. Unfortunately I do not. Many posts have been made explaining my reasoning.

[ibstolidude]

That forced Chretien to admit yesterday that Canadian soldiers could be inside Iraq with coalition forces.


Do you mean Martin, as Chrétien has been out of power for a few weeks?

I am not aware of any large scale of troops committed to combat rolls in Iraq. But, I will take your words seriously that there are a few serving with a UK armored division. I do not know of this. Canadians are not dying In Iraq and I am glad our resources are saved for operations such as Afghanistan. I do not support the war under the false pre-tenses Bush alluded to, thus the soldiers dying are doing so for false reasons. If this war was ever meant to be a liberation, I would support the operation tenfold. Unfortunately I do not. Many posts have been made explaining my reasoning.


the quote was from 28MARCH 2003
as I posted:
I mean Cretin.

[Marmot1]

STOP ! ! !
As you can see not everybody enjoy Iraqi war
I was against this war, since it is war for oil and bringing Democracy is bul****. We are now 7 month since end of major combat and you didn't find any ABC weapons except couple of rusty mortar shells from 80's. But now when the war is going on US cannot withdrawn. You (US) started it now it is your duty to finish it. And don't try to foul me that it's not about oil since i dont belive in it. Over 500 US soldiers died so far for this oil, was it worth it? Iraq wasn't a danger to US no WMD were found there no Al-Qaida ties wer foun except one group alleged to alqaida but it was on terrain that was out of goverment conntrol like north iraq.

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

And by the way...http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

[Skaman]

STOP ! ! !
As you can see not everybody enjoy Iraqi war
I was against this war, since it is war for oil and bringing Democracy is bul****. we have 7 month since end of major combat and you didn't find any ABC weapons except couple of rusty mortat shells from 80's. But now when the war is going on US cannot withdrawn. You (US) started it now it is your duty to finish it. And don't try to foul me that it's not about oil since i dont belive in it. Over 500 US soldiers died so far for this oil, was it worth it? Iraq wasn't a danger to US no WMD were found there no Al-Qaida ties wer foun except one group alleged to alqaida but it was on terrain that was out of goverment conntrol like north iraq.


My sig. says just that. Oh no, I am a commie. :roll:

[NcDeuce]

http://www.imsplus.com/images/armymen.jpg

34th Plastic Special Forces Group

They are based in Fort Plastic Box, Closetville, USA.

This is a recently declassified photo of a few A-Teams in training. The men to the right are conducting PT.

I think ducimus is actually a member of 34th Group.

[SFontaine]

STOP ! ! !
As you can see not everybody enjoy Iraqi war
I was against this war, since it is war for oil and bringing Democracy is bul****. We are now 7 month since end of major combat and you didn't find any ABC weapons except couple of rusty mortar shells from 80's. But now when the war is going on US cannot withdrawn. You (US) started it now it is your duty to finish it. And don't try to foul me that it's not about oil since i dont belive in it. Over 500 US soldiers died so far for this oil, was it worth it? Iraq wasn't a danger to US no WMD were found there no Al-Qaida ties wer foun except one group alleged to alqaida but it was on terrain that was out of goverment conntrol like north iraq.

This just in! You're a moron!

Please show me the barrels of Iraqi oil coming back to the US. Wait? IT DOESN'T EXIST. Get a brain you f ucking idiot.

"IRAQ WASN'T A THREAT TO THE US! OMG!"

Yeah and I guess Al-Qaeda wasn't a threat to the US prior on September 10th, 2001.
A bunch of morons with plane tickets and box cutters were able to kill 3000 Americans.. What do you think a nation that hates the US and routinely said they wanted to rid the world of the US could do, if commitied? A hell of a lot.

[redhawk_six]

I see ****less19 is back to normal after the Christmas break...and pinkhawk_six: the original pic was a joke. No one know's if he's a terrorist or not. Idiot.

You are an immature asshole. Your sig suits you, not Dumicus. At least he puts a bit of maturity into his opinion, posts, and sigs.

And I was one of SEVERAL people who asked "what makes him a terrorist?", yet I'm the only one you target for personal, immature flaming. **** off, asswipe.

Trigger, you were an arrogent asshole when I joined, and you still are. You never learn squat. Grow up.

And the changing of people's usernames to try to insult them, old, very old, and stupid.

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

And by the way...http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

[redhawk_six]

Yeah, we see the stupid pic SOAR, now knock off the quoting spam. It's pointless and annoying as hell.

I think I liked you better when you were living off of your daddy's career.

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

And by the way...http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

The only stupid ****s I see around here are you and ducimus. Living off my dad's career? Yeah......riiiiight.....I think you should quit sleeping with ducmius. Don't ask, don't tell.

[He219]

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF?

:cantbeli:

Canadian soldier injured in Iraq
Last Updated Wed, 21 May 2003 14:49:32

OTTAWA - A Canadian Forces officer has suffered minor injuries in an explosion near the Baghdad airport, the Defence Department said on Wednesday.


INDEPTH: Iraq: Canada's Perspective

The officer was injured last Friday when a grenade exploded near a convoy the soldier was travelling in. He suffered shrapnel scrapes on one arm and temporary hearing loss, the military said. The officer has returned to duty.

A statement from the military says the officer is serving in Iraq on exchange with the U.S. army. About 16 Canadians are on similar exchanges with allied forces in the region, five of them inside Iraq.

The military says it won't identify the soldier for security reasons.



We have Canadian troops in Canadian uniforms serving in combat in Iraq. The government has given full permission and not ended the exchange with the U.S. forces. The government has not actually said that these troops are in combat and as a result has put them in a strange situation. - Mr. Rob Anders (Calgary West, Canadian Alliance)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/086_2003-04-08/han086_1340-E.htm

[redhawk_six]

Okay, fine, lets forget all about democracy, freedom of speach, and all those other things that so many men and women have fought and died for and censor Dumicus. Hell, why don't we just censor everyone that disagrees with the majority. Hell, lets just make it so the mods and admins tell us what we're allowed to say.

All of you in your talk about respecting those who died for democracy are disrespecting them just as much as Dumicus when you yell at him to take down the sig. Those men and women fought for everyone's freedoms, that includes Dumicus, and for all freedoms, that includes freedome of speach and expersion. Censoring him would be to disreguard everything they fought for. That is a greater disrespect then that sig.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. And it would seem on this site, no one wants to hear about them.

And TF, you did live off you father's career as a ranger. You took every oppertunity to bring it up, and then some. A lot of your arguments when you first joined sounded like this: "my daddy was a ranger, so I know blah blah blah"... You can disagree all you want, but I'm not the first person to say this, and I'm certainly not the only one who thinks it.

[Skaman]

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF?

:cantbeli:

Canadian soldier injured in Iraq
Last Updated Wed, 21 May 2003 14:49:32

OTTAWA - A Canadian Forces officer has suffered minor injuries in an explosion near the Baghdad airport, the Defence Department said on Wednesday.


INDEPTH: Iraq: Canada's Perspective


The officer was injured last Friday when a grenade exploded near a convoy the soldier was travelling in. He suffered shrapnel scrapes on one arm and temporary hearing loss, the military said. The officer has returned to duty.

A statement from the military says the officer is serving in Iraq on exchange with the U.S. army. About 16 Canadians are on similar exchanges with allied forces in the region, five of them inside Iraq.

The military says it won't identify the soldier for security reasons.



We have Canadian troops in Canadian uniforms serving in combat in Iraq. The government has given full permission and not ended the exchange with the U.S. forces. The government has not actually said that these troops are in combat and as a result has put them in a strange situation. - Mr. Rob Anders (Calgary West, Canadian Alliance)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/debates/086_2003-04-08/han086_1340-E.htm

I am wrong. Yet there is hardly a recongnizable force there for reasons I am happy to profess.

[ibstolidude]

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF?

:cantbeli:

[Skaman]

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF?

:cantbeli:


I am wrong. Yet there is hardly a recongnizable force there for reasons I am happy to profess.


Did you miss that part bud?
_________________

[ArmedPacifist]

Can't we all just get along?

[Falco]

Can't we all just get along?

Good point

[redhawk_six]

Dumicus, I must say, though I disagree with some of your opinions, I admire you. You some how manage to keep composure and maturity in the face of such immature, idiotic, flaming.

This sig, I don't like, I must confess, but I will defend your right to post it.

There is a quote, I can't remember who said it or exactly how it goes, but it's something like this:

"Though I disagree with what you say, I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it." That's way off from the orig. quote, I know, but I only heard it once a long time ago. Quite frankly, I'm suprised I even remember the gist of it. Anyone know the correct quote and who said it?

[DE_Six]

STOP ! ! !
As you can see not everybody enjoy Iraqi war
I was against this war, since it is war for oil and bringing Democracy is bul****. We are now 7 month since end of major combat and you didn't find any ABC weapons except couple of rusty mortar shells from 80's. But now when the war is going on US cannot withdrawn. You (US) started it now it is your duty to finish it. And don't try to foul me that it's not about oil since i dont belive in it. Over 500 US soldiers died so far for this oil, was it worth it? Iraq wasn't a danger to US no WMD were found there no Al-Qaida ties wer foun except one group alleged to alqaida but it was on terrain that was out of goverment conntrol like north iraq.

Saying this war was only about oil is as simplistic as saying it was purely for democracy. It's bull**** too. The situation is way more complicated than that, and although oil has a role to play, it's not everything there is to this war. The US are making a move in the region to favor and secure their interests. Big deal. Every nation does that on the scale of its own interests and power. Always been, ever will.

You complain because you see no results after 7 months? What, you got ADD or what? In 1949, FOUR YEARS after the end of the war, most of Germany had no electricity. And in 1954, insecurity and criminality was still rampant in most of the country. Japan wasn't able to govern itself for years after the end of the war. Will you show some patience? I guess that is the outcome of continuous news broadcast: people think things will get back to normal in a matter of days. Nation building is a lengthy process, and wether you like it or not, that is what the US are trying to do in Iraq. Time is what it takes. And why are they doing this? Because democratic, free-market states promote stability in a region that needs some badly. And stability serves the US interests. Again, they are doing this in their own interest, yes, but I don't see how exactly this is negative. After all, in order to to serve their interest then (the fight against communism), they installed democracy and free-market in Germany and Japan. I look at these nations today (and they had little to no democratic experience prior to 1945 either) and I don't see what's bad about it at all.

About the WMDs...Sorry, even Powell admitted it wasn't the best PR campaign ever set up to gather a Coalition. So rest it, okay? If what bothers you is the fact they lied, my, how well do you sleep? It's not like it's the first time. Do you think England and France entered WW2 in 1939 for the sake of defending poor Poland? Hell no, they did so to stop Hitler because he was about to turn against them next anyway. The official reasons to go to war are never the real motives. Deal with it.

The US started it? Somebody had to do it sooner or later, right? And about finishing it, that's just what they're doing as we speak.

About Ansar al-Islam: they were armed and supplied by Baghdad to keep the Kurds at bay and Iraqi artillery provided them with safe havens from Kurd guerrillas. And they had ties to Al-Qaeda, this was proven way before anyone talked about invading Iraq.

And for the comment on soldiers dying for oil...What can I add to all that has been said about Ducimus' sig. Besides showing poor understanding of the crisis, it disrespects dead soldiers. And disrespecting dead soldiers is weak.

Now, your comment had little relevance to the question of respect and dead soldiers, and drove me to the soapbox. Is that the best timing you could find?

[budanski]

So redhawk_six, what are your opinions on Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine to have exercised their freedom of speech to alter the images of dead russian soldiers...? Theres a place for disagreements but when you post something offensive, don't expect everyone to sit back and say nothing. Douchebag using that sig is admirable to you?

[Marmot1]

Again, they are doing this in their own interest, yes, but I don't see how exactly this is negative

Ask dead Iraqi how positive it is... since couple thousands of them died, why? becouse US is securing interest.... sory but for mie it is.......I cannot expres it ....[/code]

[ibstolidude]

Dumicus, I must say, though I disagree with some of your opinions, I admire you. You some how manage to keep composure and maturity in the face of such immature, idiotic, flaming.

This sig, I don't like, I must confess, but I will defend your right to post it.

There is a quote, I can't remember who said it or exactly how it goes, but it's something like this:

"Though I disagree with what you say, I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it." That's way off from the orig. quote, I know, but I only heard it once a long time ago. Quite frankly, I'm suprised I even remember the gist of it. Anyone know the correct quote and who said it?


You, I don't like, I must confess, but I will defend your right to continue to be oblivious of the facts....

I stated I disagree with his posting and he was disrespecting his own troops, as a matter of fact I can find a 1/2 dozen times where I state he has the right to post it...but should not..

You have the right to eat your own poo, although I would hope you know better.

[budanski]

Which dead iraqis do you want to asked? The shredded ones or mass graved ones?

[redhawk_six]

So redhawk_six, what are your opinions on Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine to have exercised their freedom of speech to alter the images of dead russian soldiers...?

I'm not aware of this issue....


Douchebag using this as his sig is admirable to you?

No, but the fact that he remains mature and composed in the face of such immaturity is. He has a right to use what ever the hell he wants to use as a sig. I may not like it, and neither do you or anyone else here, but that is the truth. I'm not going to call for him to be punished or censored for exercising his rights, the same rights many died to protect, and I believe that no one else should. For simply experesing his opinion and exercising his rights, he is subject to ridicual and people trying to have him banned, and I believe that's far more wrong than what's in his sig.

[budanski]

I'm not aware of this issue....


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=111807&highlight=#111807

[DE_Six]

Again, they are doing this in their own interest, yes, but I don't see how exactly this is negative

Ask dead Iraqi how positive it is... since couple thousands of them died, why? becouse US is securing interest.... sory but for mie it is.......I cannot expres it ....[/code]

Like Budanski said, you think they'd rather die under Saddam?

Don't play the "poor innocents" card, please. Lame. Innocents had to die for the world to be ridden of Hitler, too.

A few died (surprisingly little in regard of the scale of the conflict), but now it is over.

If you have nothing to say...

[Marmot1]

Which dead iraqis do you want to asked? The shredded ones or mass graved ones?

Well let's start with alive.... then we can proceed to dead...

I can bet a canadian quarter (well sbd gave it to me as a change in NY dunno why) that on the 1st of May situation in iraq would be worse than now it is ...

[budanski]

The problem with a lot of the left wing freaks these days is they think that "freedom of speech" means that they can say whatever they want, and nobody is allowed to disagree with them.

In reality "freedom of speech" means that you can say what you want, but the GOVERNMENT isn't allowed to ARREST you for it.

If you say something, you are using YOUR freedom of speech. If I disagree with you and call you an idiot, I am using MY freedom of speech.

There you go, isn't that great? Free speech 101.

Folks mis-interpret this particular constitutional principle all the time, Whistler is right, Freedom of Speech means freedom from government interference. It has nothing whatsoever to do with citizens being fed up with loudmouths.

[NcDeuce]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

And by the way...http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

The only stupid ****s I see around here are you and ducimus. Living off my dad's career? Yeah......riiiiight.....I think you should quit sleeping with ducmius. Don't ask, don't tell.

[redhawk_six]

I'm not aware of this issue....


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=111807&highlight=#111807

Ah, I see..... Well, I disagree with their choice of image, and what they did. It is very disrespectful, but, unfortunatly, they do have that right. I don't agree with a lot of what people say. Sometimes, when someone says or does something stupid, I think to myself "they should be shot...". But, they have the right to say it. If we limit their right to say it, then we end up completely abolishing freedom of speach. Was it morally right to edit that image? No. Should they have done it? No. Do they have the right to? Yes. Should we take away that right? No.

Lets face it, if we punsihed people for saying stupid things or thing's they shouldn't have said, we would all be in big trouble. For example, if the punishment on this site was a banning, then this site would have no members left by now.

And, to use the real life as an example, Jessica Simpson would've been shot by now... I mean, "I don't eat buffalo wings because I think eating buffalo is wrong." Come on now, can't get much dumber than that! :lol:

And TF, if all you're going to do is sit there and post quote spam, get the hell out of this thread. Come back when you can contribute something mature and constructive to this argument.

[Marmot1]

****imus19
Oddly enough you disrespect your own countries dead with that poster...
disagreement with the policies of the US and Canada are one thing...

You disrespect your own countries servicemen that died in Iraq. I would have hoped even at your age you would have enough sense to recognize that "We dead soldiers" did not offer their lives to be exploited by either side of the arguement...

Cause "We dead soldiers" laid down our lives cause you, ducimus19, were too much of a pussy to go in our place. You can blame whatever administration you want, you can tell everyone how much you disagree with the war, but the fact is you didn't go and they did had you gone in their place, they would be alive.

Perhaps the new poster should read:
"We dead soldiers" laid down our lives becuase ducimus19 was too much of a pussy and hid behind his ideals rather than stand by his brothers.

First, Ducimus is in the military. Second, that's not what this thread is about.

Third, FREEDOM OF f*** SPEECH. You idiots blab on about how we should respect soldiers who died fighting for democracy and such, yet you go off on anyone who states an opinion diffrent than yours. You say they have no right to say that, and how dare they. But, here's the great thing about democracy, They Have Just As Much Right To State Their Opinion As You Do Yours. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Don't like his opinion, fine, but if you expect anyone to respect you and your opinion, then you must show at least some respect for theirs. How can you say that you are showing respect for those who fought and died for democracy if you disreguard freedom of speech and try to censor the opinions of people like Ducimus.

And Finally: WHAT MAKES THAT GUY A TERRORIST?

Quit sucking ducimus's ****. That poster is disrespectful to soldiers of all nations over in Iraq.


You know what, NO canadian soldiers are in Iraq, hence I did not go, cosequently I wont be going.

You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

And by the way...http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfupope.jpg

The only stupid ****s I see around here are you and ducimus. Living off my dad's career? Yeah......riiiiight.....I think you should quit sleeping with ducmius. Don't ask, don't tell.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: and finaly... :fork:

[Marmot1]

And btw. you expresed disrespect to Pope with your sig nad insulted me with that....

[He219]

None have seen combat. Are you speaking of the WOG military advisors and ships patrolling the GULF? Plain and simple, Canada was not convinced of Bush's reasons for war, thus not sending troops.
:cantbeli:


Opinion extra: Military integration undermines Canada's anti-war position (http://www.polarisinstitute.org/polaris_project/corp_security_state/publications_articles/military_int_march_03.html)
March 31, 2003
STEVEN STAPLES

Millions of Canadians applauded last week when the Prime Minister told Parliament that Canada would not participate in the war. It was an important political victory for peace supporters who had been working for months to deny the Bush Administration Canada's political support for the invasion of Iraq.

But it did not take long for people to start asking questions after reading the fine print on the Prime Minister's decision. Why have Canada's considerable military forces in the Persian Gulf not been withdrawn? The government's response that the military is supporting the war on terrorism, not the war on Iraq, is less than satisfactory.

The contradiction between Canada's foreign policy and the facts on the ground, sea and in the air highlight a growing problem with Canada's military. The Canadian Forces place a premium on being easily integrated with U.S. forces, and have been edging Canada into the arms of the Pentagon. Military integration is undermining the ability of the government to set independent foreign policies.

Military integration is the most advanced in the navy. For example, in 2001 the HMCS Vancouver, one of Canada's frigates, joined a U.S. Carrier Battle Group led by the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis. The HMCS Vancouver assisted in defending the armada of ships and submarines in the Arabian Sea where the aircraft carrier proceeded to launch more than 10,000 bombing runs against Afghanistan.

This level of deep military integration goes largely unnoticed while Canadian and American foreign policies are in agreement. But when those policies disagree as they have over the war on Iraq, the problem of integrated militaries becomes evident immediately.

Today, Canadian ships and aircraft in the region are clearly playing a war role despite Canada's policy. Our three frigates have been permitted to escort U.S. warships up the Persian Gulf to Kuwait, our two Aurora surveillance planes are relaying information to the U.S. Fifth Fleet, and a handful of exchange soldiers are serving in U.S. and U.K. military units, including a unit laying siege to the Iraqi city of Basra and another aboard an AWACS air control plane directing the air war. Only Canada's three Hercules transport aircraft have been ordered to not transport war materiel.

Policy incoherence would be an understatement. While the government's decision to not join the war is very significant politically, it makes little difference militarily. Had the government decided to support the war, Canada would have practically the same number of ship and planes conducting virtually the same missions as they are right now. The only possible addition would have been commandos and CF-18s, but certainly not troops.

This week U.S. Ambassador to Canada Paul Cellucci said that Canadian forces are making a greater contribution to the war than most of the forty-five countries of the so-called Coalition of the Willing. Spain, an ardent supporter of the war, has committed only a medical ship and no combat troops whatsoever. Denmark sent a single submarine.

Even more, Canadian soldiers' involvement with U.S. military forces could break our international treaty commitments. The list of agreements signed by Canada and rejected by the United States grows longer all the time. For example, Michael Byers of Duke University has pointed out that the United States was violating Article 5 of the Geneva Conventions when Taliban prisoners were handed over to U.S. forces by Canadian commandos from Canada's Joint Task Force 2 in Afghanistan.

What will happen if a Canadian soldier serving with U.S. combat units in Iraq is ordered to lay land mines? Should he refuse? And if he doesn't, would this not be a violation of our commitments under the Land Mines Treaty — a treaty that was championed by Canada but rejected by the United States?

The situation is untenable. Both the New Democratic Party and the Bloc Quebecois have called on the government to withdraw Canada's military forces from the Persian Gulf region. This week peace groups have joined that call, heralding what could become a much greater outcry about the role of the Canadian Forces in the war.

The Canadian government has gone a long way to set an independent course for Canada under what was likely tremendous pressure to join the war. But these issues will persist as long as the Canadian military continues to pursue greater interoperability and integration with U.S. forces. The distinction between the Canadian military and the U.S. military could soon become as difficult to see as desert camouflage.

Steven Staples is a project director and military analyst of the Polaris Institute, a public-interest research group based in Ottawa.


The Toronto Star - March 31, 2003



http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/images/20030402/harper_mccallum_20030402/160_chretien2_20030317.jpg
PM says soldiers covered by Geneva Conventions (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1049306334431_113?s_name=)
Wed. Apr. 2 2003
CTV.ca News Staff

Canadian troops serving with U.S.-led forces in Iraq are covered by the Geneva Conventions, the prime minister assured the House of Commons Wednesday.

Jean Chretien was responding to questions from Alliance leader Stephen Harper, who is concerned 31 soldiers on exchange with U.S. forces in Iraq would be considered "non-combatants" if they were captured by Iraqi forces.

"This convention applies to the members of the armed forces of a party to the conflict," Harper told the House, adding that since the prime minister has stated Canada is not a party to the conflict, Canadian military personnel are exempt from protection.

That status would mean the captured Canadian soldiers would have no protection as prisoners of war under international law.

Chretien dismissed the suggestion. "When they are in the army with another country they are covered by the rules that govern the army where they are working with at this moment," he said.

Unconvinced, Harper raised an example: "A soldier outside the Geneva Convention is defined as an unlawful combatant. That was the U.S. position in the Afghan war for captured Saudis, that there government was not part of that war. The Canadian government backed that position."

But Chretien said he sees nothing wrong with the arrangement that has Canadians working as part of the British, Australian and American armies.

"I've not been informed that there was anything illegal about this longstanding tradition that we have exchanges with our allies," Chretien insisted. "When they are part of these armies they serve under the authority of the country they are serving as part of the exchange."

Debate over the details of Canada's military role in the Iraq war confused NDP House leader Bill Blaikie.

"Could the prime minister please tell us how this is consistent with his position that we're not participating in the war in Iraq?" Blaikie asked.

"I can't for the life of me understand why the prime minister would continue to contaminate his own very valid position on the war in Iraq by insisting on having Canadian troops involved."

Alliance MP Leon Benoit suggested that the government 's "secret" plan to actively back the war, Defence Minister John McCallum also pointed to apparent contradictions in the debate.

"The honourable member himself should not object to any Canadian troops being involved because he himself would like to see a far larger involvement than the government. So I don't really know what he's complaining about," McCallum told the House.

Debate Wednesday was toned down from the heated exchanges that erupted the day before. McCallum even told the House he was making an effort to quiet the debate. "I'm trying to be polite and subdued today because I'm somewhat concerned about the reaction that the opposition might explode with."

McCallum was referring to a number of outbursts Tuesday in which he was called an "idiot" and a "clown" by the Opposition leader.

Harper started the personal attacks against the Liberals when he called McCallum an "idiot" during heckling in the House.

Outside the Commons, Harper acknowledged that frustration with the federal government got the better of him. But he then went on to insult McCallum further.

"It was probably not an appropriate term, but we support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to win," Harper said.

"And then this clown gets up and makes these ridiculous defences about how you can have troops in the field and somehow they're not your responsibility and somehow you're not part of the war."

Harper said it's hypocritical of the government to have exchange officers in the war against Iraq while at the same time opposing the conflict and maintaining they're not combatants.

During question period Tuesday, McCallum dismissed Harper's concerns in turn calling the Canadian Alliance's stance hypocritical.

"I wish the Alliance would spare us their rank hypocrisy," McCallum said.

"When they speak of us washing our hands of our troops or not supporting our troops I take extremely strong exception to that comment... It is the Canadian Alliance that is trying to score cheap political points on the backs of our soldiers."
But there are signs the issue is cleaving a growing divide in the Liberal caucus.

Toronto-area MP Maria Minna said the 31 Canadians should be brought home. Another Ontario MP, Julian Reed, said they should stay in Iraq, and fight alongside U.S. and British forces.

Lt.-Gen. Mike Jeffery told the House of Commons defence committee Tuesday that Canadian exchange officers may be among the 120,000 U.S. military personnel being sent to Iraq as reinforcements. There are currently 31 Canadian military officers serving with U.S. forces in Iraq.

In total, Canada has about 100 officers serving on exchange programs with American forces, 50 with British and a handful with Australian, French and other allies.


I am wrong. Yet there is hardly a recongnizable force there for reasons I am happy to profess.

Learn to recognize when your countrymen are serving in harms way....



http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/BGenWaltNatynczyk.JPG
Hi-Res (http://www.hood.army.mil/pao/Corps_staff/images/Natynczyk_web.jpg)
Brigadier General, Canadian Forces
Walt Natynczyk (http://www.hood.army.mil/pao/Corps_staff/bios/DCGCon%20Biography.htm)
Deputy Commanding General
III Corps & Fort Hood

McCallum supports Cdn. general's role in Iraq (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/11/21/mccallum031121)
Last Updated Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:07:16
OTTAWA - Canada's defence minister, John McCallum, says there's nothing wrong with a Canadian general playing a leading role in the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

More Candian Officers could go to Iraq (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/04/01/exchange030401)

Defence Minister signs off on combat role in Iraq (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030314.wdefe0314/BNStory/National)

Canada’s Role in Iraq (http://www.victoews.com/issues1.asp?ID=114)

[Salty Dog]

this is getting you guys alot of places. everyone just gain your f***ing composure and stop bitching at eachother. but if you guys want to keep being stupid, then by all means, keep arguing about retarded things.

[Loco]

There is a quote, I can't remember who said it or exactly how it goes, but it's something like this:
"Though I disagree with what you say, I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it." That's way off from the orig. quote, I know, but I only heard it once a long time ago. Quite frankly, I'm suprised I even remember the gist of it. Anyone know the correct quote and who said it?
I think it was Winston Churchill who said that to, may be, Clement Attle, but sure british members will know better.
And, I don´t pretend playing in "this" team agaisnt the other team, but simply I can´t believe the way some members insult other members, in such an easy way, I think the tacit rule should be something like this: Don´t type what you wouldn´t say to me in person, but it seems as it´s not valid with many guys here, and every time one behaves in an ignoble way is the better. Anyway, this is a good chance to say it´s a pity Ducimus extracted the photos in the other thread, but I´d never paste here familiar photos related in anyway with military things, even if I was drunk off I wouldn´t do it, because I know as true as the day comes after the night that I´d have to read badly meaningful comments. If there are personal blood feuds in this forum, it´d be necessary to respect the topics of these forum and use the pm.
And talking about the beginning of that, I´ve seen this arab man burning/burnt the USA flag perhaps 1.546 times the last 5 years of my life, wouldn´t you have anything more fresh for starting a verbal war? May be a Jacko´s video? I´ve listened he recently shot one about zombies.

[Marmot1]

Brigadier General, Canadian Forces
Walt Natynczyk
Deputy Commanding General
III Corps & Fort Hood

he he this name sounds very very polish to me :-)

[Haiw]

How 'bout we move this topic to the flaming forum... :|

BTW TF160SOAR is it really necessary to keep posting your same lame joke 7 times? :roll:

[NcDeuce]

I´ve seen this arab man burning/burnt the USA flag perhaps 1.546 times the last 5 years of my life

Huh? Come again...


is it really necessary to keep posting your same lame joke 7 times?

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

And for the hell of it...here ya go ducischmuck...


You are a pitiful example of a soldier, you are a shame to your country and fellow comrades in arms.

It is kinda ironic you have the balls to post it over an internet forum...how about you take a trip down to Bragg or Campbell? Or even better...take a trip to Iraq.

[Seiyuuki]

What are you guys arguing about? Using the dead to promote one's own political view...Big deal, like this hasn't been done before.

Where is America's priority? (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5989&highlight=)

http://costofwar.com/

compare these figures to other expenditures that have taken a 'back seat'

not to mention these figures
-http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/index.html

-http://iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Oh well..."Freedom of Speech" protective shield has been deploy, there is not much you can do to the target when he is cowering under such sturdy piece of metal.

[Trigger]

I see ****less19 is back to normal after the Christmas break...and pinkhawk_six: the original pic was a joke. No one know's if he's a terrorist or not. Idiot.

You are an immature asshole. Your sig suits you, not Dumicus. At least he puts a bit of maturity into his opinion, posts, and sigs.

And I was one of SEVERAL people who asked "what makes him a terrorist?", yet I'm the only one you target for personal, immature flaming. f*** off, asswipe.

Trigger, you were an arrogent asshole when I joined, and you still are. You never learn squat. Grow up.

And the changing of people's usernames to try to insult them, old, very old, and stupid.
Wow! that was certainly an immature offensive little rant there red. Why are you infringing on my freedom of speech? Why are you calling me names? Why are you being mean to me? Don't I have the right to say what I think? or is that only if I agree with you?
Isn't my sig cool? I know it's offensive but you would defend my right to keep it up right? What do you mean I'm arrogant? Is it arrogance if I'm right? I was an asshlole when you joined? Grow up? I was grown up when you were born little boy. Now get your ass north of the border and STFU.

[gilgoul]

Sorry for the burning flag but justice reached this guy ;)
http://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/flagburning.jpg

anyone have any photos of stupid behave connected with military???

Why is this guy an terrorist ?


I second that question?

Dosen`t make him a terrorist, a good terrorist being a dead terrorist.
But when you see an asshole playing with fire, it`s always pleasant to see that he got retributed as a burnt asshole.

[Adri]

well I migth consider myself as a neutral person in this flame war, so I want to make som statement:

NR.1
when I looked at the first page it was clear to me that ducimus19 did not act agressivly, but some dumbass sudenly starts to post a lot of
not-so-good-words.

so, I have to tell you that if you wants to convince any one, that is not the way you start.
indeed that would make you look like an 14 year old wannabe, use a adult language !

NR.2
ducimus19 does not have the final word i Canada, so dont bring in Canada if he said something stupied.

NR.3
well I don't know how freedom of speech works in the USA but here in Norway we have it like this:

"you can say what ever you like as long as you don't talk about an other person or country in a irreverent way or a way that will hurt or damage the person/country (as long as it is not true)"

if you practice you freedom of speech like I have seen in some of these post than I am very happy with our rules and regulation here in Norway.

NR.4
to show disrespect in any way is not a very good way of saying "i am very adult"
looking at some of the sig's here, I can almost see what age/attitude are.

[usa320]

Firstly


You guys do realize the US has taken no oil from Iraq right? If they did they'd get so much critisicm from other countries.


TRUE. If we did steal iraqs oil, why the **** did my gas go up 7 cents last month?

Secondly-

THERE ARE CANADIAN SOLDIERS IN HARMS WAY IN THE CENTCOM THEATRE OF OPERATIONS.

This guy:
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/BGenWaltNatynczyk.JPG

Not to mention there are Canadian navy ships enforcing UN resolutions in the persian gulf.

Also, the guy in the picture might not be a terrorist (though he might be) but he sure is hell is one thing- a cockbag.

and LASTLY-

DICMUS YOUR SIG IS GAY- YOU DO REALIZE CANADIANS GOT CRUSHED IN THOUSANDS OF TONS OF STEEL AND CONCRETE ALONG WITH AMERICANS, EUROPEANS, ASIANS AND ARABS IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER RIGHT?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Kinda ironic. That tool burning the flag is exercising his right to free speech in a nation that doesn't let him exercise that right. Burn the wrong flag, and it's jumper cable & genitals time down at the city jail.