Removal of a sig.

[Skaman]

This sig. is against Bush and the Iraq war, not soldiers, who in this case are the victims. Vote as you please. Next Tuesday I will remove or leave the sig. as the forum community dictates as it as caused significant upheaval.

[OzMan]

It's your sig. I disagree with it, and it may piss me off, but it's yours. It all depends on how much attention you want to attract to yourself. If you think you can brave the heat of some of the other members and not let it affect you, then power to ya. But if not, get rid of it, because every time you make a comment about anything, someone's gonna fire a shot at ya for it.

[ShotOver]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.

Douchebag19, with or without the sig, your still a prick.

[Ichhabe]

I voted No.

And there are people in here with far more provocative sig's than ducimus19 has. Don't see you hypocrites attack them...


(Aaaaah, shait... Forgot about it, they support your view. Silly me.)

[ShotOver]

Damn, i used to like you Ichhab... but you have gone to the dark side.

[Skaman]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.

Douchebag19, with or without the sig, your still a prick.


Thats fine. I am not here to make you happy PT. You certainly are a bostrous little Aussie.....

[ShotOver]

I know you are, but what am I?

[Ichhabe]

I've always been on the dark side. The problem is that I like the sun and the warmth.

The reason that I support ducimus19's right to that sig, is that we have freedom of speech.
Why the hell only support it when it only supporting your personal opinion?

I don't agree with his sig, but I do respect his opinion and the right to use it.

And I even stand more strongly on ducimus19's side when people in here flame him just for the hell of it. Childish ignorants. :bash:

[ShotOver]

Well, as soon as i find where Norway is... i'll find some stuff about it, then come here and insult you...

[Minjin]

Like it or not, I think it should be smaller.

[Ichhabe]

Like it or not, I think it should be smaller.

That I do agree on.
Many in here as to much and to large info in their sig's. KISS I say.

[Ratamacue]

OMG douchebag is so gay! fag anti-american idiot!

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Give me a break guys, whoever brought this all up and whoever voted yes really needs to think up something new. I grow weary of this bull****.

[ShotOver]

Aaah, i think we should show his signature to the parents of the fallen.

Try telling them their sons and daughters died for Oil...

****in` looser.

[Seiyuuki]

"Attention whore" anyone???

[ShotOver]

Yeah, he is an Attention whore.

[redhawk_six]

It's your sig. I disagree with it, and it may piss me off, but it's yours. It all depends on how much attention you want to attract to yourself. If you think you can brave the heat of some of the other members and not let it affect you, then power to ya. But if not, get rid of it, because every time you make a comment about anything, someone's gonna fire a shot at ya for it.

That about sums it up for me too.

I don't like the sig, but he has a right to keep it.

Anyone who votes yes and claims to support democracy is a hypocryte.

His sig, his choice. Just because you don't like is no reason for it to be removed.

I don't like PT or TF160SOAR or most of the other teenage members here, but that's no reason for them to leave or be banned.

Although..... j/k

He is not an attention whore, he is simply expressing his beliefs and opinions. If that makes you an attention whore, then everyone on this site, hell, in the world, is an attention whore.

And I agree with Ratamacue, all this anti-dumicus **** is getting old. Hell, it was old months ago, now it's just a royal pain in the ass. Everyone here needs to grow the **** up.

I'm tired of hearing all these pathetic, moronic, immature insults from whinny little kids who aren't even old enough to be in the military. You think you're tough? You think you know every thing? You think you can take on the world? Well, I have news for you: YOU'RE WRONG! You kids don't know **** all about the real world. Graduate from High School, get a job, move out of your mommy and daddy's house and support yourself. Then, maybe, you'll be able to say you know about real life without it being a total lie.

Enough is enough of this arrogent Bull****!

Dumicus, it's your choice, ignore these kids, you want to express your opinion, then do it, **** everyone else.

[ShotOver]

You dont like me?

Please excuse me while i go get a tissue... hahaha

[Shake n Bake]

ducimus19, Nothing would make me more happy right now then to see your skull kicked in.

[digrar]

This sig. is against Bush and the Iraq war, not soldiers, who in this case are the victims. Vote as you please. Next Tuesday I will remove or leave the sig. as the forum community dictates as it as caused significant upheaval.

Fair enough, that may be your view, but you are insinuating that American soldiers feel this way too by using that picture. I doubt they feel that way and as a member of a Army that is part of the coalition I find the picture offensive.

[NcDeuce]

I wonder if he drives around towing an anti-American advertisement.

[spectre5]

I answered 'no', I think he has the right to keep it if he thinks so.

t.
Antti Korpela

[NcDeuce]

I'll make an image of a Canadian soldier at Dieppe saying how stupid they were for taking part in the war. :roll:

[WARPIG]

I also voted to remove it. To be honest though, you should keep it. Whether you mean it as an insult to soldiers or not... it does so. It is the same insult that slugs like ode seem to drag out at every opportunity. Any true soldier would not dishonor even his enemy in battle. You dishonor all of us who serve, and especially those who have fallen. You say you are acting out against Bush and the war on behalf of the dead soldiers. You do not. You simply use their deaths to perpetuate your own view. If you are so concerned with the deaths of my comrads... why do you insult us on this post at every opportunity? You bad mouth everything we represent and hold dear, yet claim to respect our fallen comrads?
There is no doubt that this will simply bounce off your hardened, narrow, biased, mind. But, keep the sig. It only discredits everything you post before it. Your opinion, your view, even your insults are welcome here. It proves your predisposed ignorance, your fondness of apathy, and poor credibility.
The freedom of all is essential to my freedom.
Mikhail Bakunin (1814 - 1876)

[Beowulf]

Thoes of you talking about rights, are correct. In countries with laws concerning free speech you can say just about anything, as long as it's not threatening or dangerous, of course.

But the question is not about whether or not ducimus should be allowed to display the poster. The question is whether or not you think he should display the poster. The criteria being whether you think the poster is disrespectful or not.

To take a recent example: the modified pic of the russians. The magazine could display that image and it would be protected under free speech; but they decided they wouldn't b/c the image was insulting.

Another aspect to consider is the environment, swearing on a construction site is fine, but in a church or pre-school it would be considered inappropriate. I suppose that both could be considered "free speech", but if the speaker asked (Ducimus is asking), would you tell the guy swearing in church to continue b/c it's his right or would you ask him to stop b/c it's disrespectful.

I'm tired so that might not make sense when I read it again later....
-b

[budanski]

Kids don't know any better...

[Guttorm]

Well, are you (ducimus) trying to tell people that you disagree with the US politics?
Why not use this instead?
http://www.oregonpeaceworks.org/main/antibush-0130.jpg

I find it funny, but it DOES have a message :D

[WARPIG]

OK.. I was a little quick to respond.
My opinion on dicumus clouded my logic on this poll.

I still think it is quite disrespectful and insulting. Regardless of the intent the soldiers are the ones being affected by this sig.
I still think that the sig. discredits dicamus19 more than it does our fallen comrads.
I also think that the context that it is displayed.. meaning the posts that dicamus creates and the forum it is displayed in.. amplifies the insulting nature of the sig.
I do however still think he should keep it. It mirrors dicamus19s take on soldiers and their role in the world. It is an accurate portrayal of his narrow views and seems to fit him.

[farmgirl]

B....
for being tired... you are strangely coherent. :)

I agree completely with B's point. It's not a matter of whether it should be allowed... it's a matter of respect. I find it inappropriate, and I would like to see it gone.

For those of you who consider ducimus to be an "attention whore," perhaps you might find ignoring his inflammatory statements. It works for me.
It's the same thing I tell my kids. Many times things are said and done to get a reaction. If the desired reaction is not received, often times, the behavior will cease. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you should ignore anyone completely. I feel that everyone has opinions that can add to intelligent discourse on occasion. However, every opinion does not necessarily merit a response.

[Jack Mehoff]

Oh well, i guess the people who made that game Navy Seal SOCOM 2 should have their freedom of speech by humiliating and insulting fallen Russian soldiers too

[Fargin]

don't hate teh playa, hate teh game. p-)

[Trigger]

For several weeks now I have pretty much ignored ducimus19's posts. Believe it or not, I made it one of my New Year's resolutions to try to be more cordial to him and some others here that I strongly disagree with and it was working. I could have made up all kinds of immature insulting crap about his personal pics, the pics of his mom or the pics of his friends. Did I? Absolutely not. As has already been stated, he is free to post whatever he wants (within forum rules) and so am I. He decided to post a picture that supposedly speaks for fallen U.S. soldiers in the Iraq war. Not only is this incorrect, it is disrespectful. You can call me names, you can make fun of me and I won't care, but start mocking those who have paid the ultimate price and I'm going to unload on you.

ducimus19 has been proven wrong so many times I've lost count yet he still insists on resorting to these un-original jabs at the U.S. on a regular basis. When the tables get turned on him though, it's suddenly 'immature' or 'rude'.
To that I say 'Tough Sh!t'. You reap what you sow.
I hope my sig offends the hell out of him. That is it's sole purpose. He came to this site acting like an asshole and has continued to be one, I'm simply reminding him of the obvious.

[Skaman]

For several weeks now I have pretty much ignored ducimus19's posts. Believe it or not, I made it one of my New Year's resolutions to try to be more cordial to him and some others here that I strongly disagree with and it was working. I could have made up all kinds of immature insulting crap about his personal pics, the pics of his mom or the pics of his friends. Did I? Absolutely not. As has already been stated, he is free to post whatever he wants (within forum rules) and so am I. He decided to post a picture that supposedly speaks for fallen U.S. soldiers in the Iraq war. Not only is this incorrect, it is disrespectful. You can call me names, you can make fun of me and I won't care, but start mocking those who have paid the ultimate price and I'm going to unload on you.

ducimus19 has been proven wrong so many times I've lost count yet he still insists on resorting to these un-original jabs at the U.S. on a regular basis. When the tables get turned on him though, it's suddenly 'immature' or 'rude'.
To that I say 'Tough Sh!t'. You reap what you sow.
I hope my sig offends the hell out of him. That is it's sole purpose. He came to this site acting like an asshole and has continued to be one, I'm simply reminding him of the obvious.

This trend of "being wrong" is completely spurious. Its an unfounded jab users constantantly make, yet fail to provide a worthwhile argument disproving such analytical or interpretative analysis. I am content that others hold views in opposite of my own; I do not view them 'wrong' rather different. Not all aspects of history, politics etc. are black and white. To create a sound argument, one requires a conclousion and premise with constinency and cohession. The users of this forum often limit themselves to one or the other. For those of you that do not follow this pattern, good work, and continue to challange my posts if you so desire. Once again, the signature in use identifies that soldiers are dying for tommorws oil(one of many factors). Is it necessary? I cannot see the rational. While an oppinion of this matter is not right or wrong, it is subject to analyzation and personal belief. I hope the users of this forum understand this. This is a military site, and a sig. used in reference to the war is in perfect context.

[Trigger]

This trend of "being wrong" is completely spurious. It is not 'spurious' it is completely accurate. You post your opinions on people, places, and events you have never met, visited or participated in and forum members who have, correct you countless times. That is called BEING WRONG. Not everything in the world is black and white, but some things ARE. Its an unfounded jab users constantantly make, yet fail to provide a worthwhile argument disproving such analytical or interpretative analysis. Read red text above. I am content that others hold views in opposite of my own; I do not view them 'wrong' rather different. Not all aspects of history, politics etc. are black and white. Read red text above To create a sound argument, one requires a conclousion and premise with constinency and cohession. The users of this forum often limit themselves to one or the other. For those of you that do not follow this pattern, good work, and continue to challange my posts if you so desire. Once again, the signature in use identifies that soldiers are dying for tommorws oil(one of many factors) WRONG. It indicates that they have no value other than their potential as future petroleum products. It also alleges that they have no say in this and are merely a throwaway sacrifice by the President. The U.S. has an all volunteer force and if you took the time to ask many of the troops you claim to speak for, you would find out that they believe in what they are doing.. Is it necessary? I cannot see the rational. While an oppinion of this matter is not right or wrong, it is subject to analyzation analysis? and personal belief. I hope the users of this forum understand this. This is a military site, and a sig. used in reference to the war is in perfect context.It's also perfectly wrong. It mocks dead U.S. troops just like the video game guide that was previously discussed mocks dead Russian troops.

[RealUltimatePower]

Alright I'll make a real argument!

Ducimus Iraq has the world's second largest oil supply. At it's height it supplied the world market with 15% of its petrol.

Then Saddam Hussein Nationalised the petroleum industry in 1980 and it alll went downhill.
Instead of the Iraqi population seeing the benefits of such economic wealth the money went to building Saddam's EXTREMELY large and luxourious palaces. It was also used to fund his military.

Now I understand that every nation has the right to do with its money what it wants. However since it was Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath party making all the decisions on what to do with oil revenues I fail to see how that is right. When 40% of Iraqis had to live below the poverty line and the rest hovering just above it to let Saddam and his friends live a life of wealth this is wrong.

Frankly I'd rather see Western corporations in control of that oil because then at least they are building proper infrastructure for the country and in the long run the Iraqi people will finally be able to benefit from their wealth.

[redhawk_six]

How about this, Dumicus takes down his sig, and uses something else to express his opinions about bush without having anything to do with soldiers and Trigger gets rid of that ****ing disgusting sig. There, problem solved. Dumicus gets to express his opinion, without "disrespecting" soldiers, and we don't have to look at that disgusting sig trigger made.

[WARPIG]

Here's a thought. Keep pushing the limits and no one will be able to have a sig or avatar before long.

[usa320]

I know you are, but what am I?


PT dont say that, thats making Aussies look bad.

;)

Yeah, i think this vote is useless... His own poll makes him look dumb.

Frankly, i wouldnt mind no avatars anyway.

Faster load times.

Less garbage.

And while i agree the kid is an asshole, I also agree that Asshole sig is rather nasty.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.

Douchebag19, with or without the sig, your still a prick.

I voted No, so what are you going to do? Internet troll on me too? Have fun my silly lil aussie chap. I think someones been eating stale vegimite.

[Trigger]

I will gladly remove the picture in my sig if ducimus does the same.

[ibstolidude]

This sig. is against Bush and the Iraq war, not soldiers, who in this case are the victims. Vote as you please. Next Tuesday I will remove or leave the sig. as the forum community dictates as it as caused significant upheaval.

Fair enough, that may be your view, but you are insinuating that American soldiers feel this way too by using that picture. I doubt they feel that way and as a member of a Army that is part of the coalition I find the picture offensive.

Excellant post...that is why I first brought it up.

The representation used by D19 is not "I think that soldiers are dying because"
The representations is "We dead soldiers."
Let the dead rest...As I have stated before...neither side of the pro-war v/s anti-war debate should exploit the dead soldiers for their benefit.

[Skaman]

I am awestruck at how callous and crude this forum is, particularly those whom are supposed to be adults.




Hey ****amus, do you have to use dead American soldiers to support your political view? Try to carry that sign in a U.S. military base and i personally going to kick your ass. f*** YOU




PM hood about it... f***, get the little ugly prick banned.


I will personally kick your face in.


ducimus19, Nothing would make me more happy right now then to see your skull kicked in.



Aaawww... poor little douchebag19 is upset... boo friggin` hoo.. hahaha


http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/bite.jpg

http://www.thouck.com/uf/gallery/****inmyass.jpg

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/sigpic.jpg

I find it very sad and disheartining people resort to this.

[Jack Mehoff]

I am awestruck at how callous and crude this forum is, particularly those whom are supposed to be adults.




Hey ****amus, do you have to use dead American soldiers to support your political view? Try to carry that sign in a U.S. military base and i personally going to kick your ass. f*** YOU




PM hood about it... f***, get the little ugly prick banned.


I will personally kick your face in.


ducimus19, Nothing would make me more happy right now then to see your skull kicked in.



Aaawww... poor little douchebag19 is upset... boo friggin` hoo.. hahaha


http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/bite.jpg

http://www.thouck.com/uf/gallery/****inmyass.jpg

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/sigpic.jpg

I find it very sad and disheartining people resort to this.

Didn't you ask for my 'fat' picture after u called me a liar?

[Skaman]

Didn't you ask for my 'fat' picture after u called me a liar?


I simply wanted proof, you did so. I did not ask for an image of you being derogatory to me, and additionally to be used as a signature.

[RealUltimatePower]

Perhaps you are the type to avoid a real argument but if you can set aside the flame war for a few minutes perhaps you can respond to my valid argument over what has happened in Iraq.

[James]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.


Well, okay. I voted no. I think his sig portrays the soldiers as victims, which I kind of thnk they are - victims of a deeply flawed U.S. Foreign Policy. The day I say something insulting about anyone for serving in our military is the day I will cut my own tongue out. I do, however, feel a great deal of animosity towards our President. In my opinion, he is a liar and an incompetent. That is about all I have to say about him. As for the Iraq war, I didn't want it to start, but when the first American boot crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq, I supported every single man and women in uniform as much as I ever had, if not more. In all honesty, I felt sorry for them for having to be over there. In case you haven't gotten the idea from other posts I've made over the past few months, I do not for one second believe that Iraq ever posed a threat to the United States. Even if they had huge stockpiles of WMD, I don't think they were a threat.

As for Iraq now, I believe out forces should receive all the support they need to maintain security, and I believe that the U.S. and the UN owes it to the Iraqis to rebuild their country.

Arguing about the war now is kind of a moot point.

Anyway...

[Tane Angle]

While I've yet to vote, good post James.

[James]

I'm waiting for the flames... :|

[Salty Dog]

no flames from me. i understand what you said completely james.

[Jack Mehoff]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.


Well, okay. I voted no. I think his sig portrays the soldiers as victims, which I kind of thnk they are - victims of a deeply flawed U.S. Foreign Policy. The day I say something insulting about anyone for serving in our military is the day I will cut my own tongue out. I do, however, feel a great deal of animosity towards our President. In my opinion, he is a liar and an incompetent. That is about all I have to say about him. As for the Iraq war, I didn't want it to start, but when the first American boot crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq, I supported every single man and women in uniform as much as I ever had, if not more. In all honesty, I felt sorry for them for having to be over there. In case you haven't gotten the idea from other posts I've made over the past few months, I do not for one second believe that Iraq ever posed a threat to the United States. Even if they had huge stockpiles of WMD, I don't think they were a threat.

As for Iraq now, I believe out forces should receive all the support they need to maintain security, and I believe that the U.S. and the UN owes it to the Iraqis to rebuild their country.

Arguing about the war now is kind of a moot point.

Anyway...


Victims are people who were FORCED to do something. Apparently nobody force anybody to join U.S. armed forces. I'm sure you heard of the words duty and loyalty

[Jack Mehoff]

Fine print.

Man enough to sign up, man enough to live by the oath, man enough to die by the oath.

http://www.nastyburger.com/oath.jpg

[James]

Thanks Jack. I took that oath myself in 1993. I still live by most of it - esp. "Defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". I no longer obey the president, though ;) .

I'f i'd still been on active duty last Spring, I would have gladly gone to Iraq, still thinking that GW Bsuh is a Jackass (as I though of his predecessor during my time...). Why gladly? Because my buddies were going.

Among the reasons I enlisted was the desire to serve my country. I find that hard to reconcile with how I would have felt had I been deployed to the Gulf to fight for a reason I believe to be non-existent.

That said, when I was a young grunt I would have gone without hesitation.

Another thing - victims are also pepole who are taken advantage of.

[Skaman]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.


Well, okay. I voted no. I think his sig portrays the soldiers as victims, which I kind of thnk they are - victims of a deeply flawed U.S. Foreign Policy. The day I say something insulting about anyone for serving in our military is the day I will cut my own tongue out. I do, however, feel a great deal of animosity towards our President. In my opinion, he is a liar and an incompetent. That is about all I have to say about him. As for the Iraq war, I didn't want it to start, but when the first American boot crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq, I supported every single man and women in uniform as much as I ever had, if not more. In all honesty, I felt sorry for them for having to be over there. In case you haven't gotten the idea from other posts I've made over the past few months, I do not for one second believe that Iraq ever posed a threat to the United States. Even if they had huge stockpiles of WMD, I don't think they were a threat.

As for Iraq now, I believe out forces should receive all the support they need to maintain security, and I believe that the U.S. and the UN owes it to the Iraqis to rebuild their country.

Arguing about the war now is kind of a moot point.

Anyway...


I stand by the same idea James. Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world, another reason I am dissatisfied with the course of this war.

[Skaman]

I said I would let this poll run for a week, yet I hardly see this necessary. I stand by my word, and the forum community has taken my signature in a context I did not desire. I will remove the image ASAP.

Ducimus19

[Jack Mehoff]

Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world,

what the hell?

[Skaman]

Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world,

what the hell?

Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

[Jack Mehoff]

I still don't see how my tax money have anything to do with you

[Skaman]

I still don't see how my tax money have anything to do with you


What America persues affects the entire world as its military,economic and social relations encompas much of the world in a global interelationship.

[Jack Mehoff]

Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world,

what the hell?

Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

You mean like cut down our military and give all the money to other social things like Canada? rofl

[Skaman]

Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world,

what the hell?

Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

You mean like cut down our military and give all the money to other social things like Canada? rofl



I think you are missing the point.

[Jack Mehoff]

I still don't see how my tax money have anything to do with you


What America persues affects the entire world as its military,economic and social relations encompas much of the world in a global interelationship.

So China and Nigeria is going to feel the affect if we don't give more money to the U.S. homeless?


Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

[Kriz]

Fine print.

Man enough to sign up, man enough to live by the oath, man enough to die by the oath.

http://www.nastyburger.com/oath.jpg

Why does there have to be mention of God on that oath thing?? Aren't the usa state and religion completely seperated ?

[Skaman]

I still don't see how my tax money have anything to do with you


What America persues affects the entire world as its military,economic and social relations encompas much of the world in a global interelationship.

So China and Nigeria is going to feel the affect if we don't give more money to the U.S. homeless?


Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

As long as Nations push forward to be the top dog, and as long as America pushes buttons, the domino will continue, and the USA will forever be entrenched in a conflict they cannot shake.


interests in S.Pacific --->conflict with Japan----->outbreak of war---->war with Germany----->(creation of Israel)(conflict with Russia)----->(cold war)(me crisis)----->spread of communism in competition with capitalism----->Vietnam----->arms race------>technological race--->race to horde oil-------->interests in middle east------>American animosity---->ME conflict------>terror attacks----->etc.

[Jack Mehoff]

Why does there have to be mention of God on that oath thing?? Aren't the usa state and religion completely seperated ?

Actually, they would let you choose not to say 'god' if so desire[/quote]

[Ratamacue]

So now it's the US's fault that we got into a war with Japan? We didn't declare war on Germany until they declared war on us either.

[Jack Mehoff]

I still don't see how my tax money have anything to do with you


What America persues affects the entire world as its military,economic and social relations encompas much of the world in a global interelationship.

So China and Nigeria is going to feel the affect if we don't give more money to the U.S. homeless?


Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

As long as Nations push forward to be the top dog, and as long as America pushes buttons, the domino will continue, and the USA will forever be entrenched in a conflict they cannot shake.


interests in S.Pacific --->conflict with Japan----->outbreak of war---->war with Germany----->(creation of Israel)(conflict with Russia)----->(cold war)(me crisis)----->spread of communism in competition with capitalism----->Vietnam----->arms race------>technological race--->race to horde oil-------->interests in middle east------>American animosity---->ME conflict------>terror attacks----->etc.

Well, we can alway stay neutral and let the world **** themself up :slap:

Also, last time i check Japan MADE us go to war you dimwit. I know, it's all the damn Yankees fault again :bash:

[Seiyuuki]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.


Well, okay. I voted no. I think his sig portrays the soldiers as victims, which I kind of thnk they are - victims of a deeply flawed U.S. Foreign Policy. The day I say something insulting about anyone for serving in our military is the day I will cut my own tongue out. I do, however, feel a great deal of animosity towards our President. In my opinion, he is a liar and an incompetent. That is about all I have to say about him. As for the Iraq war, I didn't want it to start, but when the first American boot crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq, I supported every single man and women in uniform as much as I ever had, if not more. In all honesty, I felt sorry for them for having to be over there. In case you haven't gotten the idea from other posts I've made over the past few months, I do not for one second believe that Iraq ever posed a threat to the United States. Even if they had huge stockpiles of WMD, I don't think they were a threat.

As for Iraq now, I believe out forces should receive all the support they need to maintain security, and I believe that the U.S. and the UN owes it to the Iraqis to rebuild their country.

Arguing about the war now is kind of a moot point.

Anyway...


I stand by the same idea James. Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world, another reason I am dissatisfied with the course of this war.

That is like...what...the millionth time you use that adjective repetively in your writing. What sort of college student are you suppose to be again?

[Skaman]

C'mon you people who voted No, have the guts to show who you are and post.


Well, okay. I voted no. I think his sig portrays the soldiers as victims, which I kind of thnk they are - victims of a deeply flawed U.S. Foreign Policy. The day I say something insulting about anyone for serving in our military is the day I will cut my own tongue out. I do, however, feel a great deal of animosity towards our President. In my opinion, he is a liar and an incompetent. That is about all I have to say about him. As for the Iraq war, I didn't want it to start, but when the first American boot crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq, I supported every single man and women in uniform as much as I ever had, if not more. In all honesty, I felt sorry for them for having to be over there. In case you haven't gotten the idea from other posts I've made over the past few months, I do not for one second believe that Iraq ever posed a threat to the United States. Even if they had huge stockpiles of WMD, I don't think they were a threat.

As for Iraq now, I believe out forces should receive all the support they need to maintain security, and I believe that the U.S. and the UN owes it to the Iraqis to rebuild their country.

Arguing about the war now is kind of a moot point.

Anyway...


I stand by the same idea James. Additionally, the gluttonous spending used on this war is unnecessary an required elsewhere in the world, another reason I am dissatisfied with the course of this war.

That is like...what...the millionth time you use that adjective repetively in your writing. What sort of college student are you suppose to be again?


Again the college Attack, my god. :roll: Its a great word! what do you want? Greedy ,Voracious , Rapacious? By the way, its a University p-)

[Skaman]

I still don't see how my tax money have anything to do with you


What America persues affects the entire world as its military,economic and social relations encompas much of the world in a global interelationship.

So China and Nigeria is going to feel the affect if we don't give more money to the U.S. homeless?


Poverty. Racial, ethnic, social fragmentation(both domestic and foreign). Education, Social Welfare, Medicine.

As long as Nations push forward to be the top dog, and as long as America pushes buttons, the domino will continue, and the USA will forever be entrenched in a conflict they cannot shake.


interests in S.Pacific --->conflict with Japan----->outbreak of war---->war with Germany----->(creation of Israel)(conflict with Russia)----->(cold war)(me crisis)----->spread of communism in competition with capitalism----->Vietnam----->arms race------>technological race--->race to horde oil-------->interests in middle east------>American animosity---->ME conflict------>terror attacks----->etc.

Well, we can alway stay neutral and let the world f*** themself up :slap:

Also, last time i check Japan MADE us go to war you dimwit. I know, it's all the damn Yankees fault again :bash:

Not entirely an American fault. The US simply provided a catalyst to spark conflict. Japan responded, thus Japan was the instigator. Pearl Harbor could have been avoided IMO.

[Jack Mehoff]

While I was on my LDS mission in Vietnam and saw this Vietnamese dude got run over by a Ford. I blame it on the Americans because Ford is an american car.

[Kriz]

Why does there have to be mention of God on that oath thing?? Aren't the usa state and religion completely seperated ?

Actually, they would let you choose not to say 'god' if so desire[/quote]

Ah, thanks :)

[RealUltimatePower]

Hey Ducimus how bout you respond to my argument that is based on facts.

[cut]

freedom of speech vs. political correctness

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39741000/jpg/_39741497_liberty_decency_6666.jpg
I vote freedom of speech

[Zach R.]

I vote for what I morally believe in. Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean it's right to say it. Like, if Eminem said "I'm gonna f*** my mother until her f****** eyes pop out, then I'm gonna ram an axe up her ass", that would be wrong. BTW, why the f*** is ducimus giving us advice on how the government should be operated? If he believes that we should have more troops in Liberia or whatever; why doesn't Canada just organize a coalition, and go in there and do it themselves. It would be the simple solution. We can't do everything ourselves.

[Trigger]

ducimus is giving advice because he believes that 19 years of life and 2 years of college makes him smarter and more experienced than Everyone.

[Jack Mehoff]

freedom of speech vs. political correctness

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39741000/jpg/_39741497_liberty_decency_6666.jpg
I vote freedom of speech

What a coincidence!!! Me too. Damn those Ruskies

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Haiw]

Also, last time i check Japan MADE us go to war you dimwit. I know, it's all the damn Yankees fault again :bash:
Not entirely true. I mean, the main reason for the Japs to go to war was because the US cut their oil supply. At that point things looked that bad for 'em that they wouldn't survive very long without oil, so they started the war... Of course it's Japan's fault, but I'm just saying that it might be doubted if the US would have been at war with Japan if it hadn't enforced the extreme oil-boycot.

[Jack Mehoff]

And why we boycott Japanese?


ah ha

[Skaman]

Hey Ducimus how bout you respond to my argument that is based on facts.

I will PM ya

[Skaman]

ducimus is giving advice because he believes that 19 years of life and 2 years of college makes him smarter and more experienced than Everyone.


Oh yah, I remember saying that now! :roll:

[Skaman]

freedom of speech vs. political correctness

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39741000/jpg/_39741497_liberty_decency_6666.jpg
I vote freedom of speech

What a coincidence!!! Me too. Damn those Ruskies

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


Jack, the correlations between the two cannot be compared.

[Haiw]

And why we boycott Japanese?


ah ha
Because diplomacy was never a prime virtue of the US... ;)

Anyway, all I'm saying is that the boycott kind of increased the chance of a war, and other diplomatic measures might have prevented it...

Of course I'm not saying the war was the US's fault, I'm just saying that you didn't really help in preventing it.

[Haiw]

BTW the upper sig ain't bad ducimus... kinda reminds me of that stupid 'buying pot supports terrorism' thing in the US a while back :lol:

[Jack Mehoff]

And why we boycott Japanese?


ah ha
Because diplomacy was never a prime virtue of the US... ;)

Anyway, all I'm saying is that the boycott kind of increased the chance of a war, and other diplomatic measures might have prevented it...

Of course I'm not saying the war was the US's fault, I'm just saying that you didn't really help in preventing it.

Arent' you the same guy who bitch why America didn't get involved in WW2 2 years after WW2 started?


You see, it DOES NOT matter what we do because people still bitch about everything. Damn if we don't and damn if we do.

[Jack Mehoff]

freedom of speech vs. political correctness

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39741000/jpg/_39741497_liberty_decency_6666.jpg
I vote freedom of speech

What a coincidence!!! Me too. Damn those Ruskies

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


Jack, the correlations between the two cannot be compared.

Of course, because one is the bastard American and the other one is Russian

[Trigger]

Not entirely true. I mean, the main reason for the Japs to go to war was because the US cut their oil supply. At that point things looked that bad for 'em that they wouldn't survive very long without oil, so they started the war... Of course it's Japan's fault, but I'm just saying that it might be doubted if the US would have been at war with Japan if it hadn't enforced the extreme oil-boycot.
No, I think you mean they wouldn't be able to continue their Rape/Pillage/Plunder of Asia and the Pacific rim. Don't even try to call what they were doing as simply 'Surviving'. We were simply denying them the resources needed to continue their brutality. Their attack was designed to cripple our only possible military response (at the time) if we decided to physically intervene.

[Haiw]

And why we boycott Japanese?


ah ha
Because diplomacy was never a prime virtue of the US... ;)

Anyway, all I'm saying is that the boycott kind of increased the chance of a war, and other diplomatic measures might have prevented it...

Of course I'm not saying the war was the US's fault, I'm just saying that you didn't really help in preventing it.

Arent' you the same guy who bitch why America didn't get involved in WW2 2 years after WW2 started?


You see, it DOES NOT matter what we do because people still bitch about everything. Damn if we don't and damn if we do.
Hey I'm not condemning your actions, I'm just saying that back then you didn't do everything to prevent a war between the US and Japan. What Japan did in Asia was irrelevant to that matter; I only sanot all pains had been gone tru to stop a war between the US and Japan... Hell I fully support the US' actions in the pacific back then, so don't paint me with the hippy brush...

[Trigger]

Hey I'm not condemning your actions, I'm just saying that back then you didn't do everything to prevent a war between the US and Japan. What Japan did in Asia was irrelevant to that matter; I only sanot all pains had been gone tru to stop a war between the US and Japan... Hell I fully support the US' actions in the pacific back then, so don't paint me with the hippy brush...
What is all this 'U.S. didn't do enough to prevent' stuff? We were isolationists, minding our own business, remember?
What's that? Japan is pillaging Asia? Well not with the help of our oil exports! BOOM! What the??
Saying we didn't do enough to prevent it is like saying the people in the WTC didn't do enough to catch bin Laden. :cantbeli:

[Haiw]

Hey don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying you did wrong...all I'm saying is that either you say the US stopped Japan (which they did, at first with the embargo and after that in force) OR you say the US were isolationists... I mean, the moment they started (rightfully) blockading Japan was the moment war became almost inavertible, and thus saying the Japan simply 'made' the US go to war isn't really correct. I mean, either the US stepped back and let Asia turn itself into dust or they'd step up and basically say 'bring it on', but it wasn't like they were a victim drewn into it all.

[Skaman]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

[redhawk_six]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

This is true. Pearl Harbour probably would not have happened if the US had not put in place those embargoes.

[California Joe]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

After rereading that abortion of a run on sentence...I'd have to add, business is business. The Japanese understand that business is all out war. They believe that. You drive your competitors out of business at all cost. They also believe in weird animated **** and selling used schoolgirl panties but I digress. "Rash action" should mean a new ad campaign. Not trying to cripple the US Pacific fleet. I take exception to you using the word "submission". It is not accurate and it in fact aroused the general populace in our country at the time. The Japanese are guilty of more atrocities than the Germans during that time period. Look up the percentages of survival for allied airmen in Japanese hands vs. Germans at the time. You'll be surprised. We were never intimidated by them, alarmed and shocked at the attack perhaps but one thing Americans don't get is intimidated.

[Skaman]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

After rereading that abortion of a run on sentence...I'd have to add, business is business. The Japanese understand that business is all out war. They believe that. You drive your competitors out of business at all cost. They also believe in weird animated **** and selling used schoolgirl panties but I digress. "Rash action" should mean a new ad campaign. Not trying to cripple the US Pacific fleet. I take exception to you using the word "submission". It is not accurate and it in fact aroused the general populace in our country at the time. The Japanese are guilty of more atrocities than the Germans during that time period. Look up the percentages of survival for allied airmen in Japanese hands vs. Germans at the time. You'll be surprised. We were never intimidated by them, alarmed and shocked at the attack perhaps but one thing Americans don't get is intimidated.

And your point is? You are missing or misinterpreting the subject matter. CJ, work on you’re analyzing of a sentence.

[Haiw]

And you work on your ability to construct one... ;)

[Skaman]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

After rereading that abortion of a run on sentence...I'd have to add, business is business. The Japanese understand that business is all out war. They believe that. You drive your competitors out of business at all cost. They also believe in weird animated **** and selling used schoolgirl panties but I digress. "Rash action" should mean a new ad campaign. Not trying to cripple the US Pacific fleet. I take exception to you using the word "submission". It is not accurate and it in fact aroused the general populace in our country at the time. The Japanese are guilty of more atrocities than the Germans during that time period. Look up the percentages of survival for allied airmen in Japanese hands vs. Germans at the time. You'll be surprised. We were never intimidated by them, alarmed and shocked at the attack perhaps but one thing Americans don't get is intimidated.


Apparently you know little of the mentality concerning Japanese society.

Read the book Suicide Squads by Richard O'Neil. This book provided significant insight into the persona of the Japanese warrior and reasoning for foreign aggression and tactics. Better yet, speak to a Japanese forum member, perhaps Sekuiki? I assure you Japanese culture constitutes more than dirty panties and the subversive underbelly of culture-'animated ****ography'.

[California Joe]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

Ok I must be retarded. Because I read the first 4 words of that quote as..."The US was intimidated". My point is that during that time period nationalism and business were very closely intertwined. You can spin it anyway you like but at that time the Japanese were flat out evil to "gaijin" anyone that were not Japanese. The military attack on Pearl Harbor was less about business and more about removing us from the equation while they raped and pillaged all of Asia.

PS The Flying Tigers rocked.

[Skaman]

And you work on your ability to construct one... ;)


Its Milphotos 201!

[USMarine3521]

ducimus is giving advice because he believes that 19 years of life and 2 years of college makes him smarter and more experienced than Everyone.

it's university! not college! :roll: rofl

[California Joe]

Read The Rape of Nanking.

[Trigger]

He can't do that Joe, it would derail his one track thinking. ;)

[Skaman]

He can't do that Joe, it would derail his one track thinking. ;)

Sigh... I love Irony.

[Jack Mehoff]

I ran over a jack rabbit today and i blame it on the Americans

[Trigger]

ducimus19 wrote:

Sigh... I love Irony.
The irony is that I know that I don't know everything and am willing to accept new ideas if they make an iota of sense. You however will not entertain the possibility that others with more experience might be able to teach you something.

[Skaman]

ducimus19 wrote:

Sigh... I love Irony.
The irony is that I know that I don't know everything and am willing to accept new ideas if they make an iota of sense. You however will not entertain the possibility that others with more experience might be able to teach you something.

You know me that well Trigger? Forget Miss Cleo, Im calling this guy! p-)

[Trigger]

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. p-)

[ibstolidude]

The US was intimidated by Japans movements in direct competition to American supremacy of the South Pacific. To halt this from continuing, the US government provided oil embargoes furthering the need of Japan to take rash action, in-turn providing a catalyst to bring the American Navy into submission at Pearl Harbor.

This is true. Pearl Harbour probably would not have happened if the US had not put in place those embargoes.
So if the embargoes of 1941 caused the Japanese to attack Perarl Harbor....and the Japanese invasion in 1940 of China/Russia caused the trade embargo of 1941 then it is really still Japan's fault and aggression? I mean by your logic.

One minute you are critical of the US for doing business w/aggressive hostile regimes in the next breath you fault them for the same.

[ibstolidude]

In 1904 Japan launched a surprise attack on the Russian Fleet at Ryojunko, China after they were unsuccessful in persuading Russia to leave China. They destroyed Russia's Baltic Fleet in the Tsushima Strait. The subsequent treaty signed between Japan and Russia made the country a world naval power and contributed to its future belligerent adventures, first against China and later the United States and its allies. Thus, forty years after Commodore Perry "opened" Japan to the West, the island kingdom was militarily and industrially strong enough to defeat China and take over Formosa.

Ten years later Japan defeated Russia and annexed Korea. The seeds of World War Two which were long in germinating were planted in the mid 19th century. In hindsight, the reasons for the war were largely economic. The seizure or protection of spheres of influence, the maintenance of territorial integrity, the acquisition of raw materials as well as Asian markets for the commercial opportunities they presented were all reasons which would eventually account for so much loss of life and national treasure.

Western nations, notably Great Britain, France, Germany and the United States, had for more than one hundred years prior to the outbreak of hostilities exhibited great interest in the commercial opportunities in China and other parts of Asia. These opportunities had attracted Western investment for the exploitation of raw materials for the manufacture of products not only for domestic consumption but for export of finished goods back to the Orient. These opportunities were eyed covetously by Japan through what was to become known as the Greater Southeast Asia Co- Prosperity Sphere.

When World War One erupted in Europe in 1914 the Japanese moved into the islands and forced the Germans out without a struggle.When the Peace Treaty was signed at Versailles, France in 1919 Germany was stripped of its Pacific colonies by the Allied Powers of which Japan was a member. The islands were formally mandated to Japan by the newly formed League Of Nations. The United States had been influential in establishing the League which gave Japan a mandate over the islands as their administrator.

When the World War One Peace Conference met at Versailles, the United States was faced with the fact that Japan had virtually annexed the islands and American efforts were powerless to effect any significant change. The League confirmed Japan in 1920 in her possession of the islands as a mandate. The United States Senate refused to ratify America's membership in the League but in 1922 the United States accepted the arrangement with Japan by the Ishii - Lansing Agreement. Japan remained a member of the League Of Nations until 1935 at which time the country withdrew from the organization and kept the mandated islands "as an integral part of the Japanese Empire". with a little effort we can most likely even bring up those vote results!



On July 7, 1937 the First Japanese Division stationed in north China attacked the city of Wanping, thus launching Japan's war with China. Five months later, on December 12th, the city of Nanking fell. On the same day the U. S. gunboat Panay and three U. S. oil tankers were sunk by Japanese bombers on the Yangtze River in China. Emperor Hirohito was 124th in a succession uninterrupted since the sixth century when, in the autumn of the 2,600 th year (1940) of the founding of the Japanese Empire, Kinoaki Matsuo published a book on how Japan planned to win a war with the United States. Hey that is BEFORE the embargo!!!wow isn'thistory neat..
The war would not formally begin for another thirteen months. The Three Power Alliance And The United States Japanese War , written by this intelligence officer when serving as liaison between the Japanese Foreign Office and the Admiralty, openly discussed the impending hostilities. He wrote, "... the United States will be obliged to exercise prudence and self- restraint toward Japan at least until 1945". "

As soon as the great armament expansion is completed, the United States will probably avail herself of the opportunity to declare war upon Japan... then the chances of American victory will be far greater than Japan's". He stated, " Japan is naturally blessed by double defensive walls linked inside and outside by a chain of islands. The inside link consists of the Pescadores Islands, Formosa, all islands to the west and south, the Ogasawara Islands (Bonin), and the Chishima Islands, all of which have already been strongly armed for defense". "The outside link ( the Japanese Mandated Islands) extends many thousands of nautical miles embracing the Marshalls, Carolines, Marianas and Pelew (sic) islands, which are scattered like stars across the routes of the United States Navy either perpendicularly or horizontally. The total number of these islands is more than one thousand. It will be impossible for the United States fleet to reach its destination...". Mr. Matsuo continued, "

The tragedy which will ensue as a result of the failure of the United States fleet in its attempt to cross the Pacific can be imagined by recalling the end of the Russian Baltic Fleet in the Sea of Japan". In the years prior to December 7, 1941 Japan constructed an ocean fortress behind a wall of secrecy in violation of its diplomatic agreement with the League. The mandated islands, including the Northern Marianas, were forbidden territory to U.S. ships and American naval authorities were becoming increasingly apprehensive over Japan's rearmament and the growing belligerency of its military, first overtly observed in the Panay incident.

When Japan invaded China to protect its interests the United States waited until the summer of 1941 to retaliate with a trade embargo to cut the country's oil supply. This was done after negotiations had failed to halt Japan's aggression in China. It was the final act which led the Japanese to decide to prepare for war against the United States and was Kaisen Zen-ya - "the eve of war". keep in mind 37 they had already attacked US interests/property on China and the islands...in 40 (prior to the embargo) they had already published books and papers on how to defeat the militarily larger US. Their objective was to sink the United States Pacific Fleet so it would not interfere with Japan's conquest of the East Indies and the Philippines for the area's supplies of oil and other strategic resources. At that time the Philippine Islands was U. S. territory

[NcDeuce]

This is true. Pearl Harbour probably would not have happened if the US had not put in place those embargoes.

rofl Dumbass!

[California Joe]

You know, I got sucked in again. Bad me. I posted thoughts and valid reasons for them and got nothing but silliness and ignorance masquerading as a 19 year old's vision of standing up. Waste of my time. If farmgirl had been here I would have offered to bite off her panties instead.

[farmgirl]

You know, I got sucked in again. Bad me. I posted thoughts and valid reasons for them and got nothing but silliness and ignorance masquerading as a 19 year old's vision of standing up. Waste of my time. If farmgirl had been here I would have offered to bite off her panties instead.


Thanks for the offer, Joe, but I'm pretty sure I'm okay in that department. ;)

[One?]

I am lebanese and your sig offends me :roll:

[WARPIG]

ducimus19 wrote:

Sigh... I love Irony.
The irony is that I know that I don't know everything and am willing to accept new ideas if they make an iota of sense. You however will not entertain the possibility that others with more experience might be able to teach you something.

You know me that well Trigger? Forget Miss Cleo, Im calling this guy! p-)

You can call any one on this forum then.. everyone knows that you refuse to accept criticism, never concede a loss and are unable to fathom the nature and purpose of history and experience.
Take a poll on that! There is an idea dicamus.. start a poll that rates your historical knowledge. I for one think.. as a history student.. you would be out of your depth in a puddle of piss. That is just my opinion though.. if you even have one singlel shred of integrity or even courage.. you'll make that poll yourself. In fact .. I dare you.
Stolli has already proven you wrong.. no concession.. big surprise.

[Trigger]

ibstolidude that was one of the best responses I've ever read.
Thanks.
*standing ovation*

[Skaman]

ducimus19 wrote:

Sigh... I love Irony.
The irony is that I know that I don't know everything and am willing to accept new ideas if they make an iota of sense. You however will not entertain the possibility that others with more experience might be able to teach you something.

You know me that well Trigger? Forget Miss Cleo, Im calling this guy! p-)

You can call any one on this forum then.. everyone knows that you refuse to accept criticism, never concede a loss and are unable to fathom the nature and purpose of history and experience.
Take a poll on that! There is an idea dicamus.. start a poll that rates your historical knowledge. I for one think.. as a history student.. you would be out of your depth in a puddle of piss. That is just my opinion though.. if you even have one singlel shred of integrity or even courage.. you'll make that poll yourself. In fact .. I dare you.
Stolli has already proven you wrong.. no concession.. big surprise.


Again with this proven wrong ideal? My oh my, how foolish and closed minded. Have you ever stepped within the confines of a History classroom, as History is extremely analytical, and ****e to methodical questioning. Countless Historians disagree within the context of certain topics. Nothing has been said that disproves anything, this notion is spurious, and in actuality, getting very old. This forums judgment is clouded by hatred, not rational-it shows. I do concede when I am proven wrong, I have done so. In the end, WARPIG looks like the same pompous record player thread after thread.

[Trigger]

ducimus:
DO YOU NOT GET IT?
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU YOU ARE WRONG WERE ACTUALLY PRESENT FOR THE MAKING OF SOME OF THE HISTORY YOU ONLY HEAR ABOUT SECOND-HAND?

[Haiw]

ibstolidude fought in WW2? Sweet... ;)

[Trigger]

Did I say that?

[Roger Rabbit]

No but Haiw has been smoking some Dutch Homegrown again so he's gone and confused himself over what you said.

[Skaman]

ducimus:
DO YOU NOT GET IT?
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU YOU ARE WRONG WERE ACTUALLY PRESENT FOR THE MAKING OF SOME OF THE HISTORY YOU ONLY HEAR ABOUT SECOND-HAND?

There were people alive during the collapse of Communism in Russia that cannot explain the origins or affects of Perestroika for example. Trigger, no-one was alive during the destruction of Huronia, yet historians are still proficient and knowledgeable in the area. Your points are disjointed and lack and substantial value in regard to this fallacy of my 'error'. Provide me with a real argument; first acquire a premise, then connect it with a cohesive conclusion. That’s the philosophy of an argument, try it.

[Trigger]

Russia, hmmm. Huronia, hmmm that's nice. We were discussing PEARL HARBOR but as usual, when faced with opposition, you try to change the subject.
Provide you with a real argument? I'd rather provide you with a spelling test. Quit trying to impress us with $5 words because you've only got $1.50 in pennies in your pocket.
oops! I've gone and changed the subject.

[WARPIG]

ducimus19 wrote:

Sigh... I love Irony.
The irony is that I know that I don't know everything and am willing to accept new ideas if they make an iota of sense. You however will not entertain the possibility that others with more experience might be able to teach you something.

You know me that well Trigger? Forget Miss Cleo, Im calling this guy! p-)

You can call any one on this forum then.. everyone knows that you refuse to accept criticism, never concede a loss and are unable to fathom the nature and purpose of history and experience.
Take a poll on that! There is an idea dicamus.. start a poll that rates your historical knowledge. I for one think.. as a history student.. you would be out of your depth in a puddle of piss. That is just my opinion though.. if you even have one singlel shred of integrity or even courage.. you'll make that poll yourself. In fact .. I dare you.
Stolli has already proven you wrong.. no concession.. big surprise.


Again with this proven wrong ideal? My oh my, how foolish and closed minded. Have you ever stepped within the confines of a History classroom, as History is extremely analytical, and ****e to methodical questioning. Countless Historians disagree within the context of certain topics. Nothing has been said that disproves anything, this notion is spurious, and in actuality, getting very old. This forums judgment is clouded by hatred, not rational-it shows. I do concede when I am proven wrong, I have done so. In the end, WARPIG looks like the same pompous record player thread after thread.
What kind of record? I think you mean broken record. Well maybe more like a parrot. You keep saying stupid things...and I keep telling you how stupid you are. It is getting boring. Speaking of broken record.. you seem to have made it up to the S section of your vocabulary calender last month. That is the 3rd time you have used the word spurious when people prove your posts wrong. Move on to the T's. Also the broken record thing applies when you continuously refuse to admit when you get the facts wrong, ignore any challenge, and assume that everyone here is stupid while you know everything. We all are fueled by hatred?
Well, I hate to say it but it takes a real idiot to assume I haven't ever stepped foot in a history class. Dude I teach history to soldiers! I have withnessed history.. I have researched history. Research meaning I went to the places things happened. I talked to people who were there or were family of people there. Just taking what your history prof. said in class, google searching, and twisting it to my own political rhetoric does not make you a historian ****amus.
I have been to ruins, castles, and churches in europe that date back to the dark ages. I have been to and talked to people from Nazi concentration camps. I have explored bomb shelters from WWII and spoken to the people who actually used them! My family has been activly part of that part of history. Explain to me where you get the credentials to think you are even remotely qualified to lecture me of history.
One last attempt at salvation boy. Take advice. Even when it comes in the form of criticism. Even when it comes from the lips of the enemy. Even when it makes you look bad. Take it.
No one expects you to simply accept what they tell you.. just don't assume that you are always right.
Remember this quote?
The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.
Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)
Of course you don't. Because instead of taking it as knowledge.. you banished it as insult.

[WARPIG]

sorry for the lengthy rant everyone.. even dicamus deserves an intelligent response sometimes.

[Skaman]

WARPIG, may I ask what makes you think you are not susceptible to error and criticism? Are you only fit to deliver, but not receive such denigration? Your posts continually attack my points in regard to my proficiency and aptitude in history; hardly do you take a subjective analytical approach to history, examining other aspects you may have overlooked. One who holds his knowledge of history in such high regard, you would foremost understand that history itself encompasses many details, subject to bias, opinion, creed, or race. To understand such matters, it is best to peruse a study that involves multiple sources; one can than amalgamate these points into a greater collective whole. In this case of Pearl Harbor, which I have mentioned prior; through out my course of study in this matter I consulted primary documents from both allied and axis, contemporary authors of varying nationality and ultimately, documented and recorded film. In my entry level university study, I did extensive work into the nature of the ‘Seppuku’ a Japanese ritualistic suicide. Additionally, I included sufficient background from the pre time war era, out break of war, and general social mentality concerning such matters. Therefore, I came to hold the ideal that war was not a sole result of Japanese aggression, but diverging ideals within the Japanese government and a fear of capitulation. Rather than face economic damnation, the nation chose to expand throughout the Pacific Rim despite American efforts to halt this. Pearl Harbor resulted as the Japanese military realized further efforts to acquire such economic expansion would lead to war. Strict oil embargoes provided a catalyst for Japan to subdue the American navy, in-turn leaving their efforts relatively unchecked, perusing their much needed economic commodity. This ideal is not isolated to my own “narrow minded perspective”, rather it is collective among contemporary history texts and doctorate lectures. While not necessary or compliant to my general statement, I will follow suit by professing my own ‘backbone of history’. I traveled Europe, viewed Gothic Cathedrals of the 14th century, the Castle of Leeds, the Isle of White, Stone-Henge, the Mayan ruins of Chichenitza and so forth. I have two years of history under my belt and a thorough upbringing throughout my childhood consisting of somewhat obtuse but nonetheless intriguing history filled childhood, complements to my father. My grandfather served in Normandy, my uncle works for CSIS. I would like to end by suggesting you put aside your own personal vendetta against me, and rather sit down to a calm and orderly discussion, free of tripe and tactless words. PM me if you wish to do so.

Sincerely,

Ducimus19

[Nunavut's sewage]

Just an observation Ducimus19. You seem to only respond to posts that can be interpreted in many different ways and when a valid argument is posted in response to yours you avoid it all together.

Let me use the examples of Wolfe117 in the douchebag19 topic. His points were very valid and I feel worthy of a response.

Also in this topic Ibstolidude's posts were very well put and educated and yet you did not reply to it at all. Nor did you concede that you were proven wrong when you so obviously were.

Why is it that when mature, educated and logical posts are made to you you ignore them in favor of cutting down those posts that are not very well done. If you claim to be so educated then why not engage in a discussion with said posters.

[Marxist203]

The United States was based on two very simple principles...The first one being that you were ****s and didn't want to pay for your own defence while the people back in Britain were getting the **** taxed out of them and the second being Free Speech. Now, I dont know what the state of the Constitution is in the US, but as I recall people still have the right to free speech.

You guys cant call yourselves Patriotic if you'll make this guy remove his signature...anyway, its obvious that Saudi Arabia is a hot bed for terrorist recruitment and training activities.

[Jack Mehoff]

The United States was based on two very simple principles...The first one being that you were ****s and didn't want to pay for your own defence while the people back in Britain were getting the **** taxed out of them and the second being Free Speech. Now, I dont know what the state of the Constitution is in the US, but as I recall people still have the right to free speech.

You guys cant call yourselves Patriotic if you'll make this guy remove his signature...anyway, its obvious that Saudi Arabia is a hot bed for terrorist recruitment and training activities.
This sig?

http://ducimus19.mypicgallery.com/?/popil/mylife_large.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Haiw]

I think Marxist 'missed' the old one..right?

[Skaman]

Just an observation Ducimus19. You seem to only respond to posts that can be interpreted in many different ways and when a valid argument is posted in response to yours you avoid it all together.

Let me use the examples of Wolfe117 in the douchebag19 topic. His points were very valid and I feel worthy of a response.

Also in this topic Ibstolidude's posts were very well put and educated and yet you did not reply to it at all. Nor did you concede that you were proven wrong when you so obviously were.

Why is it that when mature, educated and logical posts are made to you you ignore them in favor of cutting down those posts that are not very well done. If you claim to be so educated then why not engage in a discussion with said posters.

To be honest, I was feeling lazy and really didn’t want to respond to a huge article. Good points though, yet individuals need to move past this blatant ideal of being 'wrong'. ;) Read my last post.

[Seiyuuki]

[...] amalgamate [...]

Ummm...more repetition, like the word "gluttonous." Those so-called "college" papers you posted a while back, you use "amalgamation" at least once in each paper.

Anyway, excuse me for that deviation...

ducimus19 is not going to change his signature, he is not going to change his view, he will continue posting whatever it is he post and he will continue his argumentative tactics...

So, please, as nicely as I can put it, with all due respect, anyone, someone, just shut up and don't entertain this thread anymore.

This is suppose to be "Off Topic and HUMOR" section. As much as I dislike ducimus19, there is no humor or entertainment or value in seeing this rantings (well, a few actually post something of merits, you know who you are) go on back and forth.

[Nunavut's sewage]

Yes I have read your last post prior to writing my last post.

It still stands that you're arguments were completely crushed by those two's. I just think it's silly that you claim to concede when you are wrong and don't in these two cases.

And especially since you say

I would like to end by suggesting you put aside your own personal vendetta against me, and rather sit down to a calm and orderly discussion, free of tripe and tactless words.

Then ignore those posters who do exactly that. very hipocritical.

[Salty Dog]

Just an observation Ducimus19. You seem to only respond to posts that can be interpreted in many different ways and when a valid argument is posted in response to yours you avoid it all together.

Let me use the examples of Wolfe117 in the douchebag19 topic. His points were very valid and I feel worthy of a response.

Also in this topic Ibstolidude's posts were very well put and educated and yet you did not reply to it at all. Nor did you concede that you were proven wrong when you so obviously were.

Why is it that when mature, educated and logical posts are made to you you ignore them in favor of cutting down those posts that are not very well done. If you claim to be so educated then why not engage in a discussion with said posters.

To be honest, I was feeling lazy and really didn’t want to respond to a huge article. Good points though, yet individuals need to move past this blatant ideal of being 'wrong'. ;) Read my last post.

see i would read your last post, but man, wouldn't you know, i'm just feelin really lazy. p-)

[Skaman]

Just an observation Ducimus19. You seem to only respond to posts that can be interpreted in many different ways and when a valid argument is posted in response to yours you avoid it all together.

Let me use the examples of Wolfe117 in the douchebag19 topic. His points were very valid and I feel worthy of a response.

Also in this topic Ibstolidude's posts were very well put and educated and yet you did not reply to it at all. Nor did you concede that you were proven wrong when you so obviously were.

Why is it that when mature, educated and logical posts are made to you you ignore them in favor of cutting down those posts that are not very well done. If you claim to be so educated then why not engage in a discussion with said posters.

To be honest, I was feeling lazy and really didn’t want to respond to a huge article. Good points though, yet individuals need to move past this blatant ideal of being 'wrong'. ;) Read my last post.

see i would read your last post, but man, wouldn't you know, i'm just feelin really lazy. p-)

Fair enough. I dont expect everyone to read it, thats why its titled to Warpig. I posted here and not PM, so if you do desire to read it, go ahead.

[Skaman]

[...] amalgamate [...]

Ummm...more repetition, like the word "gluttonous." Those so-called "college" papers you posted a while back, you use "amalgamation" at least once in each paper.

Anyway, excuse me for that deviation...

ducimus19 is not going to change his signature, he is not going to change his view, he will continue posting whatever it is he post and he will continue his argumentative tactics...

So, please, as nicely as I can put it, with all due respect, anyone, someone, just shut up and don't entertain this thread anymore.

This is suppose to be "Off Topic and HUMOR" section. As much as I dislike ducimus19, there is no humor or entertainment or value in seeing this rantings (well, a few actually post something of merits, you know who you are) go on back and forth.

I don’t understand your qualm concerning adjectives, it’s truly strange. I have a able vocabulary, and there are certain words I enjoy using in my writing to accentuate a point and create better flow. Anyways...

[Haiw]

Don't wanna nitpick, but the word amalgamation doesn't exactely create a better flow...:P

[Groove]

I said NO as this SIG says it all. Saudis support Terrorism but aint on the "black list" of your President. Why do you think they arent ? Because they are such friendly ppl ?

Groove

[California Joe]

Honestly, you're just an asshole with a victim complex and inferior spelling skills. Like a 3rd rate Bond villian. Piss off. I'm tired of you. I refuted your strange take on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and you did not respond. I hope you walk in front of a bus with your drunken friends and get removed fron the gene pool.

[budanski]

So tell us how you really feel about him, Joe

rofl

[California Joe]

He is dead to me. Like Fredo.

[Jack Mehoff]

My grandma on my dad side witnessed the brutality of the Japanese during WW2. The Japanese are far from peace loving, tea drinking people. I'm sure Budanski has a same story to tell.

[Jack Mehoff]

I said NO as this SIG says it all. Saudis support Terrorism but aint on the "black list" of your President. Why do you think they arent ? Because they are such friendly ppl ?

Groove

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :slap:

This sig?

http://ducimus19.mypicgallery.com/?/popil/mylife_large.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7081&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[NcDeuce]

Honestly, you're just an asshole with a victim complex and inferior spelling skills. Like a 3rd rate Bond villian. Piss off. I'm tired of you. I refuted your strange take on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and you did not respond. I hope you walk in front of a bus with your drunken friends and get removed from the gene pool.

^ Word...

[NcDeuce]

http://pages.prodigy.net/jppets/xstunts/images/Car-hit.jpg

:fork:

[Midtown]

someone tell me why he's not banned yet. all he does is piss everyone off.

[Skaman]

Honestly, you're just an asshole with a victim complex and inferior spelling skills. Like a 3rd rate Bond villian. Piss off. I'm tired of you. I refuted your strange take on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and you did not respond. I hope you walk in front of a bus with your drunken friends and get removed fron the gene pool.




This is not a refuted ideal in the least. Simple as this, I don’t respond to an ignoramus; I am sorry, you are a defunct individual. Your posts are not worthy of my time. I’m trying not to be rude, but I feel you are mentally inept and not worth my efforts. So, just don’t bother responding to my posts, because I really don’t care. Again, in regard to History, read my long winded post, it appears you didn’t get the drift. No offense, just don’t post to me. I don’t mind those that argue etc, i.e. WARPIG and so, but I don’t see conversing with you of any substantial value. There is nothing you can learn from my words, and there is nothing you can offer. I am not sure if you are intentionally withholding your capacity to take in information, but it is not my problem. Enjoy your time on militaryphotos, just save it for someone who takes you seriously.

[Skaman]

My grandma on my dad side witnessed the brutality of the Japanese during WW2. The Japanese are far from peace loving, tea drinking people. I'm sure Budanski has a same story to tell.

Am I arguging that statement?

[Skaman]

someone tell me why he's not banned yet. all he does is piss everyone off.

Apparently I piss you off. Not everyone shares your idea.

[California Joe]

Honestly, you're just an asshole with a victim complex and inferior spelling skills. Like a 3rd rate Bond villian. Piss off. I'm tired of you. I refuted your strange take on the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and you did not respond. I hope you walk in front of a bus with your drunken friends and get removed fron the gene pool.




This is not a refuted ideal in the least. Simple as this, I don’t respond to an ignoramus; I am sorry, you are a defunct individual. Your posts are not worthy of my time. I’m trying not to be rude, but I feel you are mentally inept and not worth my efforts. So, just don’t bother responding to my posts, because I really don’t care. Again, in regard to History, read my long winded post, it appears you didn’t get the drift. No offense, just don’t post to me. I don’t mind those that argue etc, i.e. WARPIG and so, but I don’t see conversing with you of any substantial value. There is nothing you can learn from my words, and there is nothing you can offer. I am not sure if you are intentionally withholding your capacity to take in information, but it is not my problem. Enjoy your time on militaryphotos, just save it for someone who takes you seriously.

You are a petulant child.

[budanski]

There is nothing you can learn from my words, and there is nothing you can offer. I am not sure if you are intentionally withholding your capacity to take in information, but it is not my problem. Enjoy your time on militaryphotos, just save it for someone who takes you seriously.
Thats rich, some 19 year old punk is out to teach the world a thing or two. rofl

[firwinn]

i dont know what a sig is but if it is the saudithing on your posts. Then i say no, dont remove it

[budanski]

i dont know what a sig is but if it is the saudithing on your posts. Then i say no, dont remove it

No, this was the culprit.

http://ducimus19.mypicgallery.com/Image.aspx?/popil/mylife_large.jpg