Today's Pic's. - Jan. 14

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Israeli army and police officers and religious volunteers inspect a car at the site of an attack against it, near the Jewish settlement of Talmon in the West Bank, north west of the Palestinian city of Ramallah late Tuesday Jan. 13, 2004. One Israeli was killed and two others were wounded, the Israeli military said. The Israeli, a father of five, who lived at a nearby settlement, was the first to die in a Palestinian attack this year. (AP Photo / Lefteris Pitarakis)

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A wounded Israeli border policeman is helped upon his arrival for treatment at the Barzilay hospital of the southern Israel town of Ashqelon Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up Wednesday at the major crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, killing at least four Israelis and wounding seven other people, Israeli rescue services and media said. (AP Photo/Edi Israel)

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A wounded woman is carried for treatment into the Barzilay hospital of the southern Israel town Ashqelon Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004.

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A wounded man is wheeled into the emergency room at the Barzilay hospital of the southern Israel town of Ashqelon Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004.

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A helmet and other military gear lies on the ground next to the debris at the scene of a suicide bomb attack at the Erez crossing terminal between Israel and the Gaza Strip Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up at the major crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, killing at least four Israelis and wounding seven other people.(AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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Israeli police and investigators work at the scene of a suicide bomb attack at the Erez crossing terminal between Israel and the Gaza Strip Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up the major crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, killing at least four Israelis and wounding seven other people. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit).

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An Israeli army officer walks by a group of Palestinian workers as he orders them to sit down, while they wait to leave the industrial area where they work at Erez crossing Wednesday, Jan.14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up at the major crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, killing at least four Israelis and wounding seven other people. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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An Israeli army officer lifts his automatic rifle while he orders Palestinian workers to step back as they wait to leave the industrial area where they work at the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber, mother of two children, blew herself up at the major crossing point, killing four Israelis and wounding seven other people. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)

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An Israeli border police officer guards Palestinian workers as they wait to leave the industrial area where they work at the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber, mother of two children, blew herself up at the major crossing point, killing four Israelis and wounding seven other people. (AP Photo /Lefteris Pitarakis)

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An Israeli army officer looks on as Palestinian workers lift their clothes to show him that they are not carrying explosives as they leave the industrial area where they work at the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber, mother of two children, blew herself up at the major crossing point, killing four Israelis and wounding seven other people. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)

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Video grab image shows Palestinian suicide bomber 22 year old Reem al-Reyashi talking on an undated prerecorded amateur video, released on Janaury 14, 2004. A Palestinian mother of two who killed four Israelis in a suicide bombing on Wednesday professed love for her children before launching an attack that she said was meant to turn her body into "deadly shrapnel". Smiling at times in a videotape that showed her cradling a rifle, 22-year-old Reem Al-Reyashi said she had dreamed since she was 13 of "becoming a martyr" and dying for her people. *******/HO

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Spiritual leader of the Palestinian militant group Hamas Sheik Ahmed Yassin answers questions from reporters in his home in Gaza City, Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. A female Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up Wednesday at the major crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, killing at least four Israelis and wounding seven other people, Israeli rescue services and media said. Hamas spiritual leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin said that holy war "is an obligation of all Muslims, men and women." At rear is a floral gift to the sheik reading Hamas in arabic.(AP Photo/Kevin Frayer)

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Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia points on a map of the separation barrier Israel is building around much of the West Bank during a meeting at his office in Ramallah Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. A Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up Wednesday at the major crossing point between Israel and the Gaza Strip, killing at least four Israelis and wounding seven other people. ( AP Photo/Nasser Nasser)

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American born rabbi Arik Ascherman, head of the Rabbis for Human Rights group, arrives at the Jerusalem Magistrate Court Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. Ascherman went on trial Wednesday for allegedly blocking bulldozers that came to demolish Palestinian homes that were built without proper Israeli permits. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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British peace activist Thomas Hurndall sits on the floor of a home in Rafah, minutes before he left to participate in a protest at which he suffered a gunshot wound to the head, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall, age 21, from Manchester, England, had been standing between Israeli troops and Palestinian children when Israeli soldiers opened fire, according to a fellow activist from the International Solidarity Movement who witnessed the scene. Hurndall's family announced Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004 that he had died, nine months after he was shot in the head by an Israeli Defence Force soldier, leaving him in a permanent vegetative state. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall, who had been shot in the head moments earlier, at the start of a protest, in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip Friday, April 11, 2003. Hurndall died late Tuesday Jan. 13, 2004 at a hospital in London his family said Wednesday. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)


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An armed Iraqi policeman stands on top of a bomb damaged wall as he guards the police station in Bouqouba, Iraq where a car bomb exploded Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. At least three people, including the driver of the car bomb-loaded vehicle were killed, and nearly 30 others injured in the explosion, police and witnesses said. (AP Photo/Karim Kadim)

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U.S. Army Specialist. Diagostizo Carl, from Springfield, Illinois, of the Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion 6th Infantry Regiment, holds a machine gun during a patrol in central Baghdad, Iraq, Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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Soldiers with the 82nd Airborne Division spread out documents and other objects on the floor while looking for evidence during a raid on an Iraqi house Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004 near Fallujah, Iraq. The owner of the house is suspected of being responsible for attacks on coalition forces. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)

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US Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, left shakes hands with Chinese Defence Minister, Cao Gangchuan at the Ministry of Defense in Beijing China, Wednesday, Jan 14, 2004. Myers is in China as part of a nine-day trip to Asia and Australia to promote U.S. military contacts in the region. (AP Photo/Ng Han Guan, Pool)

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U.S. Gen. Richard Myers, center, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff walks with his Chinese counterpart Liang Guanglie, left, during a guard of honor ceremony at the Chinese Ministry of Defense in Beijing Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. Myers is in China on an official two days visit. (AP Photo/Ng Han Guan, Pool)

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U.S. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, left, salutes next to his Chinese counterpart, Liang Guanglie at the Chinese Ministry of Defense in Beijing Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. Myers is in China on an official two days visit. (AP Photo/Ng Han Guan)

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French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie delivers her speech during the New Year address at the Defense Ministry in Paris Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. Despite hints the Bush administration might offer lucrative reconstruction contracts to allies who opposed the Iraq war, France is not willing to compromise on its demand for Iraqi sovereignty, Alliot-Marie said. She will meet her American counterpart Donald Rumsfeld Thursday in Washington. Officer at rear is unidentified. (AP Photo/Francois Mori)

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Cuban President Fidel Castro is seen as he delivers a speech in this Jan. 3, 2004 file photo at the Karl Marx Theater in Havana, Cuba, during the celebration of the 45th anniversary of Castro's victory in January 1959. Castro during a vacation in Cuba, Bogota's leftist mayor Luis Eduardo Garzon said Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004 that the 77-year-old Cuban leader's health appeared to be deteriorating. ``He seemed very sick to me,'' Garzon, a former communist union organizer, told Caracol Radio. ``Youcould tell he had physical limitations, especially in his speech.''(AP Photo/Jose Goitia, file)


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BAGRAM AIR BASE, Afghanistan -- Capt. Rich Erkkila inspects an AGM-65 G Maverick missile mounted on a wing pylon of his A-10 Thunderbolt II ground attack fighter before a combat patrol mission Jan. 7. Captain Erkkila is a pilot with the 354th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron and deployed from Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. 1st Class Joe Belcher)

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MISAWA AIR BASE, Japan -- Brig. Gen. Dana T. Atkins collects his gear during survival training at Camp Defender here last week. Pilots go through the training to build upon and reinforce what they were taught during Combat Survival Training at Fairchild Air Force Base, Wash. Survival trainees must provide for their own food and water, evade capture and communicate as they would if they had to eject from their aircraft into hostile territory. The training is mandatory for pilots every two years. General Atkins is the 35th Fighter Wing and Misawa Air Base installation commander. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Andrew Rodier)

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A British Explosive Ordnance Disposal Team inspects a pile of mortar bombs discovered by Iraqi workmen

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A close examination of one of the mortar rounds. They were removed for safe disposal by the EOD team

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The 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment, deployed to southern
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One of the guard dogs serving with the Dog Section based at Shaibah

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Flame Broiled!

Flames consume the Burger King at Aviano Air Base, Italy, shortly after 1:30 p.m., Jan. 12, 2004. Firefighters from the 31st Civil Engineering Fire Department were unable to save the restaurant. DoD photo by Airman Scherrie K. Gates, U.S. Air Force (Released)

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[mustamato]

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IDF spokesman: "A terrorist dressed in camouflage clothing and armed
with "something slightly longer than a rifle" attacked Israeli soldiers at
a junction, the soldiers had all the right in the world to respond to the
deadly assault with gunfire"

[fantassin]

Officer at rear is unidentified

Artillery colonel, aide-de-camp to the Defence minister hence the golden aiguillettes on his right shoulder.

But still unidentified....

[Javehn]

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IDF spokesman: "A terrorist dressed in camouflage clothing and armed
with "something slightly longer than a rifle" attacked Israeli soldiers at
a junction, the soldiers had all the right in the world to respond to the
deadly assault with gunfire"

**** you , you mother ****en piss of **** . You are the reason why our soldiers die , and we have to sorry for that before the world . I would travell to the end of the world just for your mother ****en ass . Who the **** are you ,piss of **** , to judge Israeli soldiers ? Who the **** are you ?

Why want you come here , and join Ez A Din El Kasem ? I bet they would like your stink ass . You wan't have the idea , what joy i would get , when soldier would have your stink ass on his sights . I would see your selfrightios ass on screams , when the fighters will keep you ahead , just to make you a target for soldiers . But i bet you have no balls , just your selfrightios ass to go with . Piss a **** . Mother focker . Why wan't you come in here , and join those protestors , ha , piss a **** ?? At list they have 100 times bigger balls then you have .

You have no mother ****en right to judge no soldier , and speccially IDF soldiers . I know for personal how is to be judged by piece of ****s like you . I hope i would see your ass any soon , mother ****er .

[mustamato]

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IDF spokesman: "A terrorist dressed in camouflage clothing and armed
with "something slightly longer than a rifle" attacked Israeli soldiers at
a junction, the soldiers had all the right in the world to respond to the
deadly assault with gunfire"

f*** you , you mother f*** piss of **** . You are the reason why our soldiers die , and we have to sorry for that before the world . I would travell to the end of the world just for your mother f*** ass . Who the f*** are you ,piss of **** , to judge Israeli soldiers ? Who the f*** are you ?

Why want you come here , and join Ez A Din El Kasem ? I bet they would like your stink ass . You wan't have the idea , what joy i would get , when soldier would have your stink ass on his sights . I would see your selfrightios ass on screams , when the fighters will keep you ahead , just to make you a target for soldiers .
You have no mother f*** right to judge no soldier , and speccially IDF soldiers . I know for personal how is to be judged by piece of ****s like you . I hope i would see your ass any soon , mother f*** .

I think you somehow missed the point here dear old friend. The question is why did they shoot at him in the first place, and especially in the head? Sure I don´t know what he did or why he did it, but I do know that ISM usually does things like helping schoolkids, protesting of course on palestine territory (not in Israel) and so forth. It´s a pacifistic movement so they don´t attack israeli soldiers either. Yeah, maybe I will visit Israel sometime in the future. Nice beaches I´ve heard.

Oh I checked IDF.il now and saw their comment about this. So my made up comment was somewhat wrong, they obviously looked at it seriously this time.

"December 31, 2003
The arrest of an IDF Soldier Suspected of Shooting and Seriously Wounding British Citizen Tom Hurndall
An IDF soldier was brought before the military court of the Southern Command today (December 31, 2003), for the extension of his remand in custody on suspicion of seriously wounding British citizen, Tom Hurndall, in the Rafah area on April 11, 2003.

The soldier, who is currently being held in detention, initially claimed that he returned fire at a man armed with a pistol. However, following an intensive investigation by the Military Police of the Southern Command, the soldier admitted to shooting in proximity of an unarmed civilian in order to deter him.

At this stage, the criminal investigation of the incident is still continuing. Upon its completion, the findings of the investigation will be handed to the Military Advocate General for a decision regarding issuing an indictment against the soldier.

British diplomats were informed of the developments in the investigation.

The IDF views this incident very seriously and will continue to act to fully investigate the circumstances surrounding the event.

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OMG!
A graphic image and I wasn't even warned!!
Where is this site going to, I mean how I'm going to get any sleep after seeing this!? :fork:

But still I like her "war face"...

[TALOS]

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IDF spokesman: "A terrorist dressed in camouflage clothing and armed
with "something slightly longer than a rifle" attacked Israeli soldiers at
a junction, the soldiers had all the right in the world to respond to the
deadly assault with gunfire"

f*** you , you mother f*** piss of **** . You are the reason why our soldiers die , and we have to sorry for that before the world . I would travell to the end of the world just for your mother f*** ass . Who the f*** are you ,piss of **** , to judge Israeli soldiers ? Who the f*** are you ?

Why want you come here , and join Ez A Din El Kasem ? I bet they would like your stink ass . You wan't have the idea , what joy i would get , when soldier would have your stink ass on his sights . I would see your selfrightios ass on screams , when the fighters will keep you ahead , just to make you a target for soldiers . But i bet you have no balls , just your selfrightios ass to go with . Piss a **** . Mother focker . Why wan't you come in here , and join those protestors , ha , piss a **** ?? At list they have 100 times bigger balls then you have .

You have no mother f*** right to judge no soldier , and speccially IDF soldiers . I know for personal how is to be judged by piece of ****s like you . I hope i would see your ass any soon , mother f*** .

Javehn... IMHO you need to calm down man, I know you get upset becuz you feel unfairly judged but IDF do make mistakes man, the guy is clearly not in camoflage. Mustamato presents as clearly disliking Jews and americans but attacking with such language and emotion is why there are so many conflicts in the world. We need to try and discuss reasonably the images in this forum.

[Saint]

Is that......is that Elijah Wood?

[Javehn]

don't excuse , and don't call me you dear friend . I know perfectly good what you write . I can take many , but not smuth on soldiers . You can read every post i wrote , and you will see just that . I can be very fair , but not on that matter , so i don't need no one to tell me to relax .

You wouldn't ever understand , what pressure and fear that is , to walk on street in a middle of day , in place where you can get shot from any place. To awalk and look how tens pairs of eyes watching you , and every single one of them can suddenly get rifle from his shirt and start to shoot . You have no idea what it's like when tens of kids throwing rocks at you , and only once , only once it can be grenade. And once is enough , it's all what it takes . You have no idea what ammount of tramendoues preassure . And you surtainly and surtainly don't undersand , when all this pressure on your back , and suddenly those ISM getting in way .

Camoflage ? What the hell you talking about ?? The only camo they use in action , it's IDF camo , to make the soldiers confused . Do you really think they are wearing camo on they attacks ?? Only some of them do that .

You ****ing think it stoping Pali gunners to shoot at IDF ?? They have no ****ing problem to shoot at anyone , they will kill all those ISM and they wouldn't care for a bit . Every noral soldier will not operate under those surcomstances . He would get crazy . So don't you start to get all moral . They don't belong a bit there . Hell , the ****ers stay in a middle of firefight and yelling IDF GO AWAY . What kinda idiotic behavior is that ? And later piece of ****s like yu cry why they getting killed ???

[He219]

More information on the passing of Tom Hurndall can be found Here (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=383022&sw=Thomas+Hurndall+). The soldier has been arrested by the IDF pending manslaughter and obstruction of justice charges.

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Spain's King Juan Carlos, center, reviews the honor guard as he arrives at the Chilean Congress in Valparaiso, Chile, Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004. King Juan Carlos and his wife are on a five-day visit to Chile. (AP Photo/Felix Alonso)

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The HMCS Toronto sails from Halifax on Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004, heading to the Perisan Gulf area to join Operation Altair in the war against terrorism. The ship will join the George Washington Carrier Strike Group in Norfolk, Virginia before heading to the Gulf. (AP Photo/CP, Andrew Vaughan)

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Reformist clergyman Fazel Meibudi, center, addresses a meeting of reformist lawmakers at a sit-in demonstration, where the lawmakers were protesting their disqualification by hard-liners to run in the February legislative elections, at Iran's Parliament building in Tehran , Iran, Wednesday Jan. 14, 2004. (AP Photo / Hasan Sarbakhshian)

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A Pakistani soldier keeps guard over the city of Angor Adda near the Pakistan-Afghanistan (news - web sites) border, in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, on December 15, 2003. U.S. troops on the Afghan side of the border have two simple rules to follow; don't cross over and radio the Pakistani army first before shooting at any suspected al Qaeda spotted over there. (Faisal Mahmood/*******)

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Soldiers of the 3rd U.S. Infantry Regiment (The Old Guard) walk on the airfield at Camp Lemonier, Djibouti, during a helicopter training exercise. Old Guard Soldiers are participating in tactical missions and training exercises in support of the Global War on Terrorism as part of the Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa. This is the first deployment for an Old Guard unit since the Vietnam War. U.S. Army photo by Spc. Eric M. McKeeby.

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An Iraqi man suspected of being involved in attacks on coalition forces is questioned in his home during a raid by the 82nd Airborne Division on Wednesday near Fallujah, Iraq.

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In a small village outside Riyad, Iraq, children try to catch a glimpse of a 4th Infantry Division Soldier. Coalition Soldiers visited the village to meet with local leaders. The division is playing a key role in bringing stability to Iraq. Photo courtesy of the Department of Defense.

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COALITION PARTNER — Italian Carabinieri provide security as Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, visits sheiks, council members, the Women's Civil Society, the governor and other Dhi Qar Province officials in An Nasiriyah, Iraq, Jan. 10, 2004. Defense Dept. photo by U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon

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[Steve Andrews]

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Ding...fries are done....

[mustamato]

@ Javehn. Yes I can imagine that there is a lot of pressure, but human life is nothing that can just be explained away no matter what. Obviously the Israeli justice is of the same opinion, that soldier will be jailed for a long time. Killing a armed soldier is one thing, killing a terrorist is one thing, but killing a unarmed pacifistic peace activist is very much not excusable.

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Interesting pic. Could almost be a commonwealth (indian) soldier in Africa during world war 2 with a captured MG42. But I wouldn´t want to be on the receiving end of that MG...

[He219]

Nice Tommy Helmet! What's the difference between the MG42 and the MG3 other than the cyclic rate and quality of manufacture?

[S'13]

I think you somehow missed the point here dear old friend. The question is why did they shoot at him in the first place, and especially in the head? Sure I don´t know what he did or why he did it, but I do know that ISM usually does things like helping schoolkids, protesting of course on palestine territory (not in Israel) and so forth. It´s a pacifistic movement so they don´t attack israeli soldiers either. Yeah, maybe I will visit Israel sometime in the future. Nice beaches I´ve heard.


For many, the International Solidarity Movement's blatant support for Palestinian incitement and rejectionism is the antithesis of a human-rights organization. Charges of harboring terrorists , endangering the lives of foreign 'peace volunteers,' and sabotaging sensitive military operations have prompted the Israeli government to limit the activities of members of this organization. The Israeli Chief of Staff even singled out ISM as a direct threat to his soldiers' lives.

The International Solidarity Movement (ISM) mobilizes the power of the rhetoric of human rights to justify its position and cries suppression and brutality. Its website defines itself 'an international citizen's peace-making campaign formed in August 2001, using the proactive tactics of non-violent direct action epitomized by Gandhi, Archbishop Tutu, Dr. Martin Luther King, and other practitioners of creative non-violent resistance.' A claim to such an ideological legacy encourages journalists to publish and promote the ISM's ****ouncements with little scrutiny, and gives the movement a voice in humanitarian NGO activities and even "human rights film festivals".

The press attention dedicated to ISM is the fruit of the strategy of exploiting the language of morality, ethics and human rights to de-legitimize Israel. The organization was first thrust into the limelight after two of its activists, an American citizen, Rachel Corrie, and a British citizen, Tom Hurndall, were respectively killed and seriously wounded in separate incidents as they positioned themselves in the center of clashes between the Israeli army and Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. ISM members have announced that they believe that Israel not only targets Palestinians but has also begun targeting international volunteers. This led to a flurry of diplomatic activity and damning anti-Israel reporting in the international press. This came despite the fact that ISM was discredited by the way it presented Rachel Corrie's death on its website - a sequence of photographs of Rachel Corrie was posted to 'prove' that the death was deliberate. The photos, however, were clearly taken at different times of the day, and the real story of her death was deliberately distorted by the ISM as part of this public relations effort.

As a direct result of this incident, Israel issued a waiver form for foreign nationals entering the Gaza Strip. It stated the Israeli army is not able to guarantee their safety because international activists have endangered their own lives and those of Israeli soldiers by interfering in legitimate counter terror operations designed to protect Israel's civilian population. The Israeli move, standard procedure in times of urban warfare all over the world, in turn, generated a heated campaign by six well-known humanitarian NGOs, including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, EMHRN and the French NGO, FIDH. [See NGO Monitor Analysis (Vol. 1 No. 9) 24 June 2003, "Human Rights" Organizations Join in Distorting Israeli Policy - A Critical Analysis.]

There are a number of inherent contradictions in ISM's claimed objectives. The following five points illustrate ISM's tactics of promoting 'non-violent action' but in fact pursuing a far more violent agenda;

ISM's 'non-violent' declarations and 'pro-freedom' proclamations are followed by the sentence on its website, "we recognize the Palestinian right to resist Israeli violence and occupation via legitimate armed struggle." It also calls for "direct-action methods of resistance that will oppose the Occupation and force Israel to withdraw from the West Bank East Jerusalem, and Gaza." Such "direct actions" include literally placing volunteers between the Israeli army and Palestinians, some of whom are known terrorists. When volunteers are wounded, Israel is falsely blamed as having deliberately targeted them.


The organization declares that it "supports the unarmed, civilian-based intifada" and aiding the provision of humanitarian help. In violation of its commitment to 'non-violent methods', however, it effectively endorses the tactics that the Palestinian leadership and the main political factions of Fatah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad that have employed indiscriminate murder of Israeli citizens. Their methods include suicide bombings in public places with no warning, shooting indiscriminately at women and children, sometimes in their homes, sometimes on the roads.


ISM employs uses the term 'martyr' - even for those killed in suicide missions attacking Israeli citizens, thereby legitimizing these attacks.


ISM chooses to ignore historical context in order to undermine Jewish legitimacy. For example, its website contains a report on Nablus (the Biblical Shehem), which was placed in control of the Palestinian Authority during the Oslo Process. With complete absence of context and in gross distortion of history, ISM announced that the "Occupational Army [Israeli army] causes damage to the Old City of Nablus by injuring and killing people, putting curfews over the population, demolishing houses without any reason or as a collective punishment to the families of martyrs." The simplistic summary "without any reason" demonstrates that ISM's agenda is far from the promotion of 'freedom', but rather the legitimization of the violent Palestinian uprising and an indirect endorsement of terror against Israeli civilians. The report also failed to mention that the city is a Hamas stronghold, home to many bomb factories and a large proportion of suicide bombers emanate from there. Elsewhere, talking of the history of the city, ISM fails to mention its importance in Jewish and Biblical tradition. It refers to it simply as a 'Palestinian city.'


The ISM is silent on Palestinian terror attacks, and the deliberately targeting of Israeli civilians, thereby tacitly endorsing these crimes against humanity.


The ideological and political agendas of ISM are camouflaged through the facade and discourse of human rights and the heritage of freedom fighters such as Martin Luther King. Although ISM does have the courage to criticize the Palestinian leadership and no doubt attracts many genuine volunteers, it does not promote an honest agenda. Its lack of acknowledgement of the suffering of both sides, its whitewashing of Jewish tradition and its endorsement of Palestinian terrorism prove the NGO is far from committed to universal human rights.


Oh I checked IDF.il now and saw their comment about this. So my made up comment was somewhat wrong, they obviously looked at it seriously this time.

"December 31, 2003
The arrest of an IDF Soldier Suspected of Shooting and Seriously Wounding British Citizen Tom Hurndall
An IDF soldier was brought before the military court of the Southern Command today (December 31, 2003), for the extension of his remand in custody on suspicion of seriously wounding British citizen, Tom Hurndall, in the Rafah area on April 11, 2003.

The soldier, who is currently being held in detention, initially claimed that he returned fire at a man armed with a pistol. However, following an intensive investigation by the Military Police of the Southern Command, the soldier admitted to shooting in proximity of an unarmed civilian in order to deter him.

At this stage, the criminal investigation of the incident is still continuing. Upon its completion, the findings of the investigation will be handed to the Military Advocate General for a decision regarding issuing an indictment against the soldier.

British diplomats were informed of the developments in the investigation.

The IDF views this incident very seriously and will continue to act to fully investigate the circumstances surrounding the event.

l'm happy to see that in your second post about this subject you didn't just make up things but also got real facts I hope you will do this more often. :roll:

[Mr. Nielsen]

Obviously the Israeli justice is of the same opinion, that soldier will be jailed for a long time.

Don't count on that. It's my impression that when the perpetrator is Israeli and the victim Palestininan, the sentences are not very long. In any case he will probably be paroled soon. I don't know if the victim being british will make a difference.

[kinghk]

Nice Tommy Helmet! What's the difference between the MG42 and the MG3 other than the cyclic rate and quality of manufacture?

Mainly the caliber; 7.62x51mm NATO vs 7.92x57mm. Other changes are minimal.

[Marmot1]

Segregation zone??? WTF

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517800

that remind's me WWII and segregation zones but not palestinians were in those zones caled "Getthos" but another nation... I see this nation learned how to treat other from own experience...

[scoone]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517919

Fuc*** Dictator.

[He219]

FRESHIES! woot

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A soldier with Alpha Company, 2nd Battalion/ 6th Infantry Regiment conduct room sweeps during urban combat techniques training under live fire conditions at Butler Range Complex (BRC) in Baghdad, Iraq, Jan.11, 2004. The Butler Range Complex was named in honor of Sgt. Jacob Lee Butler of the 1st Battalion/41st Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, who was killed in action, on April 23, 2003, at As-Samawah, Iraq, during the march towards Baghdad in Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom (U.S. Army photo bySgt. Vernon Freeman) (Released)


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A soldier with Alpha Company, 2nd Battalion, 6th Infantry Regiment, carries a simulated casualty for medical evacuation during urban combat techniques training, under live fire conditions, at Butler Range Complex, Baghdad, Jan. 12, 2004. DoD photo by Sgt. Vernon Freeman, U.S. Army (Released)


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'adoption' ;)

A helicopter from "Cattoor Livestock Round-up" herds a wild horse toward a carrol on the Tonopah Test Range, Nellis AFB, Nev., Dec. 16. The horses caught during the round-up will be sorted by age and *** to determine which horses are sent out for adoption, and which horses are released back onto the range. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman 1st Class Brian Ferguson) (Released)

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An HH 60 Blackhawk crew member keeps a look out for enemy ground fire on the way to Dhi Qar Province, An Nasiriyah, Iraq, Jan. 10, 2004, while transporting Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator Ambassador L. Paul Bremer and support staff. Bremer visited with council members, a women's group, and governing officials. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)


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A Polish soldier with 2nd Platoon Reconnaissance Company during a mounted patrol gives an Iraqi child an MRE in the village of Al Mashru, Iraq, Jan. 9, 2004. As part of the Multi National Division Central South (MND CS) the Polish Reconnaissance Company stationed at Camp Bravo nickname "Pistol Factory" are responsible for patrolling some of the villages in the city of Al Hilla helping to maintain law and order with the Iraqi Police. DoD photo by Sgt. Matthew Siemion, U.S. Army. (Released)

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A Polish soldier with 2nd Platoon Reconnaissance Company, talks with an Iraqi citizen to ensure he was not overcharged at a gas pump in the village of Al Mashru, Iraq, Jan. 9, 2004. As part of the Multi National Division Central South (MND CS), the Polish Reconnaissance Company stationed at Camp Bravo is responsible for patrolling some of the villages in the city of Al Hilla with Iraqi policemen. DoD photo by Sgt. Matthew Siemion, U.S. Army (Released)

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A Polish soldier with 1st Platoon Reconnaissance Company, walks by a store front during a unmounted patrol in the village of Al Emam, Iraq, Jan. 9, 2004. As part of the Multi National Division Central South (MND CS) the Polish Reconnaissance Company stationed at Camp Bravo nickname "Pistol Factory" are responsible for patrolling some of the villages in the city of Al Hilla helping to maintain law and order with the Iraqi Police. DoD photo by Sgt. Matthew Siemion, U.S. Army. (Released)

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1st Armored Division instructors and interpreters train Iraqi Army soldiers at the Iraq Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) Academy in Baghdad, how to provide first-aid care on Jan. 12, 2004. (DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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The 1st Armored Division provides instructors and interpreters to train Iraqi Army soldiers who are going through the Iraq Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) Academy how to provide first-aid care on Jan. 12, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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Iraqis stand before the audience with their medals of Valor and Sacrifice for their unselfishness and loyalty to their country in previous wars at a recognition ceremony held in the Baghdad Convention Center, Jan. 9, 2004. Since the end of major combat operations, the Iraqi Police Service (IPS), Facility Protection Service (FPS), and Iraqi Civil Defense Corps (ICDC) have worked diligently to hire, train, equip, and employ personnel throughout the city in a profession that often requires selfless service, sacrifice, and valor demonstrated in the line of duty. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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Military members with the 2nd Battalion Iraqi Army dance at the end of the graduation on Jan. 6, 2004, Tadji, Iraq. The 2nd Battalion completed the nine-week basic training program for the Iraqi Army and will receive upgrade training in specific missions. The 705 recruits will assist the U.S. 1st Armored Division and will conduct military operations in and around Baghdad. Coalition Military Assistance Training Team (CMATT) envisions deploying a strong national defense force, proud with loyal brothers, admired by free Iraqis, honorable in faithful values, cooperative with peaceful neighbors, and capable in protecting national borders. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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A woman walks home with her mules carrying wood and other needed supplies as Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer's convoy passes in Dhi Qar Province, An Nasiriyah, Iraq, Jan. 10, 2004. Ambassador Bremer's visit to An Nasiriyah are with sheiks, council members, the Women's Civil Society, the Governor and other Dhi Qar officials. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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During the visit of Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer to Dhi Qar Province, An Nasiriyah, Iraq, a shepherd and his son take their sheep to graze, Jan. 10, 2004. Ambassador Bremer's visit in An Nasiriyah are with sheiks, council members, the Women's Civil Society, the Governor and other Dhi Qar officials. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon)


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NICE HK 53 with AG36 (No, something else) and taped on Surefire?

Italian Carabinieri provide security as Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, visits sheiks, council members, the Women's Civil Society, the governor, and other Dhi Qar Province officials in An Nasiriyah, Iraq, Jan. 10, 2004. DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon, U.S. Air Force (Released)

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Spanish Foreign Minister, Ana Palacio along with Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer are interviewed by the media in front of the Coaliton Provision Authority (CPA) Headquarters on Jan. 12, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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A council member raises his complaints during a meeting with Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer and Dr. Mowaffak B. Al-Rubaie, member of the Iraqi Governing Council, Jan. 10, 2004. Ambassador Bremer visits Dhi Qar Province, An Nasiriyah, Iraq, with sheiks, council members, the Women's Civil Society, the Governor and other Dhi Qar officials. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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Members of the 414th Civil Affairs and 4th Brigade haul boxes of clothes, school supplies, food, and winter coats into the Ahmadania Elementary School in Baghdad, Iraq, Jan. 13, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall) (released)

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Staff Sgt. Alicia Pena, 4th Brigade, passes out clothes, school supplies, food, and winter coats to children of the Ahmadania Elementary School in Baghdad, Iraq, Jan. 13, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall) (released)

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Members of the 414th Civil Affairs and 4th Brigade pass out clothes, school supplies, food, and winter coats to children of the Ahmadania Elementary School in Baghdad, Iraq, Jan. 13, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall) (released)


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Soldiers with the 414th Civil Affairs Battalion, distribute winter coats, clothes, school supplies, and food to children at the Ahmadania Elementary School in Baghdad, Jan. 13, 2004. DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall, U.S. Air Force (Released)

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Iraqi carpenters work beside the Research Triangle Institute Center where the Women's Civil Society are holding a meeting with Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, Ambassador L. Paul Bremer in Dhi Qar Province, An Nasiriyah, Iraq on Jan. 10, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Reynaldo Ramon) (Released)

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Members of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, on their first mounted patrol around the area of Tuz, Iraq, provide security while their teammates help a motorist, Jan. 12, 2004. The ICDC members were joined by members of the 1st Battalion, 508th Infantry Division, 173rd Airborne Brigade. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jeffrey A. Wolfe) (Released)

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Members of the 250th Forward Surgical Team scramble to care for two Iraqi civilians caught in a blast outside the gates of Kirkuk Air Base, Iraq, Jan. 9, 2004. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jeffrey A. Wolfe) (Released)

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Emad Ali Hamaz, Dr. Ali Saeed Sadoon, director general of the civil defense corps, and other Iraqi Civil Defense Corps representatives, demonstrate the power of the water cannons on the Future 2, Baghdad’s first active fire patrol boat since the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime, on the Tigris River in Baghdad. (photo by Spc. Ryan Smith, 372nd MPAD)

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Patuxent River, Md. (Jan. 9, 2004) -- Marine Lt. Col. Kevin Gross, V-22 Osprey Integrated Test Team’s Government Flight Test Director, seated left, and Marine Maj. Gen. Jim Amos, Commanding General 3rd Marine Air Wing, pose for a photo while making preparations for the General’s aircraft familiarization flight. Maj. Gen. Amos was able to put the Osprey through its paces in both airplane and helicopter modes of flight. Following the flight Maj. Gen. Amos gave the Integrated Test Team (ITT) an overview of the lessons learned from Operation Iraqi Freedom and then thanked the ITT for their continued efforts toward getting the V-22 delivered to the fleet. U.S. Navy photo by Randy Teufel. (RELEASED)

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Central Command Area of Responsibility (Nov. 28, 2003) -- Gordon R. England, Secretary of the Navy tours Camp Lemonier, Djibouti, while conducting a holiday visit to the region. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Christopher Mobley. (RELEASED)

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Kabul, Afghanistan (Nov. 27, 2003) -- Gordon R. England, Secretary of the Navy, shows his support during the holiday season with a visit to troops stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Christopher Mobley. (RELEASED)

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Central Command Area of Responsibility (Nov. 28, 2003) -- Gordon R. England, Secretary of the Navy, visits with Sailors stationed aboard the amphibious dock landing ship USS Germantown (LSD 42) during a holiday visit to the region. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 1st Class Christopher Mobley. (RELEASED)

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Arabian Gulf (Jan. 12, 2004) -- Members of the Spanish 19th Special Forces team approach the Spanish Navy Santa Maria-class frigate Victoria (F 82), in a Landing Craft Utility (LCU). Spanish Navy units are part of a 15-nation US-led coalition force participating in the multi-nation exercise Sea Saber 2004. Sea Saber will provide a multi-tiered training scenario in locating weapons of mass destruction aboard suspect ships operating in waters currently patrolled by coalition forces in support of Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. U.S. Navy photo by Journalist 1st Class Jeremy L. Wood. (RELEASED)

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Arabian Sea (Nov. 11, 2003) -- The guided missile cruiser USS *****sburg (CG 64), top, and the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65), bottom, underway alongside the fast combat support ship USS Detroit (AOE 6) during a replenishment at sea. The Enterprise Carrier Strike Group (CSG) is currently on a scheduled deployment conducting missions in support of Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Douglas M. Pearlman. (RELEASED)

[Kriz]

Segregation zone??? WTF

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517800

that remind's me WWII and segregation zones but not palestinians were in those zones caled "Getthos" but another nation... I see this nation learned how to treat other from own experience...

Yeah like them walls, looks so much like the ghetto in warsaw, ah well people never learn from their experience. That's for sure...

[Uncle Chô]

Patuxent River, Md. (Jan. 9, 2004) -- Marine Lt. Col. Kevin Gross, V-22 Osprey Integrated Test Team’s Government Flight Test Director, seated left, and Marine Maj. Gen. Jim Amos, Commanding General 3rd Marine Air Wing, pose for a photo while making preparations for the General’s aircraft familiarization flight. Maj. Gen. Amos was able to put the Osprey through its paces in both airplane and helicopter modes of flight. Following the flight Maj. Gen. Amos gave the Integrated Test Team (ITT) an overview of the lessons learned from Operation Iraqi Freedom and then thanked the ITT for their continued efforts toward getting the V-22 delivered to the fleet. U.S. Navy photo by Randy Teufel. (RELEASED)
The first trial of a "Tilt Rotors" aircraft took place in ...1955 with the Bell XV-3.

Up until now, it still does not work as expected. :(

Could you imagine such a complex and expensive machine over Iraq ? I think we will see the CH-46, MH-53 and the CH-47 operational for another 10 years...

[Steve Andrews]

That Carabinieri has a nice gat.....but that tape might get messy after he's fired a mag or two!!

[FallenAngel]

Yeah like them walls, looks so much like the ghetto in warsaw, ah well people never learn from their experience. That's for sure...

If memory serves, the Jews in Warsaw weren't killing innocent Poles in an effort to gain complete control of Poland for themselves and continued to do so after several attempts of peace had been offered.

The Palestinians on the other hand... :slap:

Please don't say something stupid, cause it only makes you look bad.

[Whistler]

MARMOT,

Segregation Zones aren't what they actually are called. Thats a Palestinian holding a Palestinian made map. Obviously they designed it with a purpose, so people like you can look at it and say "OMG ISRAELI NAZIS".

Palestinians aren't very good at making maps. Just take a look at one of their school textbooks to see the fantasy version of the middle east they have.

[Whistler]

The HMCS Toronto sails from Halifax on Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004, heading to the Perisan Gulf area to join Operation Altair in the war against terrorism. The ship will join the George Washington Carrier Strike Group in Norfolk, Virginia before heading to the Gulf. (AP Photo/CP, Andrew Vaughan)

Cool... got an extended family member on that ship.

[UoUo]

Yeah...we didn't learn from the past...

That true..after 50 years jewish blood is still cheap...and jew got killed Every day....

Comparing the israeli palstinian coflict to the Holocust..is a lame Affort...realy lame...

One thing for sure...the IDF is the most human army in the world.

[kinghk]

One thing for sure...the IDF is the most human army in the world.

How do you know? Have you compared IDF to every army in the world?

Sorry, but I find "is the (most) XXXX army/navy/airforce/whatever" statements
rather stupid.

[He219]

Did you see the pinwheels on domes of the Hawkeyes? The Hi-Res of the Carabinieri is something else though....
:D


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San Diego, Calif. (Jan 14, 2004) -- Lcpl. Mario Reyes, of Chicago, Ill says a final goodbye to his family on his cellular phone prior to boarding the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer (LHD 4). Boxer departed today on a deployment to the Central Command area of responsibility in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom II force rotation. More than 200 Marines and 900 Sailors embarked aboard USS Boxer are providing amphibious lift for a portion of the equipment and personnel from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (1 MEF) stationed at Camp Pendleton, Calif., and 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif. The majority of Marines deploying from 1 MEF will depart in the Spring via air transport. Boxer’s deployment order highlights the inherent flexibility of naval forces. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Mark J. Rebilas. (RELEASED)

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San Diego, Calif. (Jan 14, 2004) -- Capt. Tom Crowley, Commanding Officer for the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer (LHD 4) takes questions from local and national news media. Boxer departed today on a deployment to the Central Command area of responsibility in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom II force rotation. More than 200 Marines and 900 Sailors embarked aboard USS Boxer are providing amphibious lift for a portion of the equipment and personnel from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (1 MEF) stationed at Camp Pendleton, Calif., and 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif. The majority of Marines deploying from 1 MEF will depart in the Spring via air transport. Boxer’s deployment order highlights the inherent flexibility of naval forces. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 3rd Class Mark J. Rebilas. (RELEASED)

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Naval Air Station North Island, Calif. (Jan. 14, 2004) -- USS Boxer (LHD 4) departs San Diego, Calif., on a deployment to the Central Command area of responsibility in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom II force rotation. More than 200 Marines and 900 Sailors embarked aboard USS Boxer are providing amphibious lift for a portion of the equipment and personnel from the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (1 MEF) stationed at Camp Pendleton, Calif., and 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, Calif. The majority of Marines deploying from 1 MEF will depart in the Spring via air transport. Boxer’s deployment order highlights the inherent flexibility of naval forces. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Tiffini M. Jones. (RELEASED)




I'll be on hiatus the next couple of days. I've been posting way too much!
See ya!
:P

[Javehn]

One thing for sure...the IDF is the most human army in the world.

How do you know? Have you compared IDF to every army in the world?

Sorry, but I find "is the (most) XXXX army/navy/airforce/whatever" statements
rather stupid.

IDF conducting every year several exersizes in all different branches , with different armies . IDF officers getting lectures from other army officers . Many officers fly abroad the country to training . The system of "Self Learning and Improving" learnes from other armies . Israeli army soldiers getting lectures on different army conducts . Every base have library with different armies explaining .

You trying to proove something that basicly wrong from the begining . Common , why to argue something you don't know about ? That's driving me crazy .

See you He219 , have a nice time . Good luck !

[Mr. Nielsen]

If memory serves, the Jews in Warsaw weren't killing innocent Poles in an effort to gain complete control of Poland for themselves and continued to do so after several attempts of peace had been offered.

This talk about poles and poland I just don't understand.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Yeah...we didn't learn from the past...

That true..after 50 years jewish blood is still cheap...and jew got killed Every day....

From reading the daily papers I would say that this statement is more correct:

Everyday a Palestinian is killed, sometimes a jew is too.

[Shake n Bake]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517919

Fuc*** Dictator.

I get the feeling I might be spending my next summer in Varadero :hug: woot

[Whistler]

Yeah...we didn't learn from the past...

That true..after 50 years jewish blood is still cheap...and jew got killed Every day....

From reading the daily papers I would say that this statement is more correct:

Everyday a Palestinian is killed, sometimes a jew is too.

You let the media think for you?

No wonder you are so biased, just like most papers.

[Javehn]

Or maybe he is just European ... They are the ones that declared Israel as number 1 thread for world peace . The Europian council know investigating the fact , that the money they gived to PA used to go to terror organization . Yep , maybe your tax money helped to kill someone . Good for you , if you are in the age of tax paying that is .

Take a look here , on soldier faces that got killed there . Soldiers alone , not civilians . Yes , indeed all the time those poor Palestinians dying in masses , the bloud thirsty jews kill them . Would you count them please ? Just for last 2 years . I bet as you said , no more then occasional 2 or 3 .
With what the Palestinians kill them , they have no bread to eat , let alone weapons . And Israeli have big tanks , and big planes . And Atom Bomb !! Also they have chimical weapons , they shure use it .

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/gallery_pics.asp?pic_sivug_id=19&my_lang=2


Take a look here . Occasional here and there , but those jews deserve it , after slaughtering Palestinians .
http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/gallery_pics.asp?pic_sivug_id=22&my_lang=2

Nice pictures those occupying Israelies have , ha ? Enjoyed them ?Now go to Paltruth to find me counter pictures . Go go go . And don't spil the soop on the way !

[Mr. Nielsen]

There are plenty of sites showing Israeli victim's, but I haven't seen this one yet.

http://www.bambili.com/b_gallery/gallery_pics.asp?pic_sivug_id=22&my_lang=2

Very interesting site.

[Marmot1]

Yeah...we didn't learn from the past...
You lerned a lot especialy in constructionn of walls and fences...


That true..after 50 years jewish blood is still cheap...and jew got killed Every day....
I agree but palestinian blood seems cheaper...


Comparing the israeli palstinian coflict to the Holocust..is a lame Affort...realy lame...
Well killing palestinian gunmens in Israel is OK for me, since you are protecting your country but killing ppl on teritories is something that I cannot undestand, demolishing homes with buldozers,colonizing of this territories also is unacceptable for me,sorry I dont know how your propaganda works in Israel but certanly outside your coutry it did not work well and not only europe think that israel is danger No.1 to peace also larger part of africa and middle east...


One thing for sure...the IDF is the most human army in the world.

The only human factor in your army are homo sapiens who serve in it. and there are were rumors of many examples of war crimes commited by IDF soldiers but none of them was investigated by third party so it's hard to tell if it's true but evidence in some of them is strong..

[ShotOver]

Awesome pics as usual.

Good Job woot

[usa320]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517789

Why is this bastard still breathing?

[mustamato]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517789

Why is this bastard still breathing?

Allah maybe has forgotten him, or he is pleased with this particular man?

[One?]

Yeah...we didn't learn from the past...

That true..after 50 years jewish blood is still cheap...and jew got killed Every day....

Comparing the israeli palstinian coflict to the Holocust..is a lame Affort...realy lame...

One thing for sure...the IDF is the most human army in the world.


Could explain what is happening in the picture below

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/seethis.jpg

and is this a fabrication too?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,676640,00.html


[sorry for thread jacking but this is getting out of hand]

[DE_Six]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517789

Why is this bastard still breathing?

It's Saruman!!! Didn't Aragorn dispatch him already? Maybe we should put another kind of Rangers on his case... :P


http://jccc.afis.osd.mil/LBOX/mini/935344.jpg

And why is nobody paying attention to the threatening gentleman with the raised club? :P


Did you see the pinwheels on domes of the Hawkeyes? The Hi-Res of the Carabinieri is something else though....

Yeah, VAW-123! Go Screwtops!!

http://www02.clf.navy.mil/vaw123/gal/stg002.jpg
http://www02.clf.navy.mil/vaw123/gal/016.jpg

[ShotOver]

Very, errr... charming image the 2nd last guy posted.

[usa320]

And why is nobody paying attention to the threatening gentleman with the raised club?

rofl rofl rofl

god that was good...

[ShotOver]

hahahaha, yeah i just saw that, good one! rofl

[Uncle Sam]

And people bitch about living in the U.S. , Try living with this **** everyday

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/MIDEAST-BOMBER.jpg

[UoUo]

We build walls....but your country avtive in a war that 10,000 civilian died there in 7 mouth....what your point ? we are war crimanals ?

[Jack Mehoff]

We build walls....but your country avtive in a war that 10,000 civilian died there in 7 mouth....what your point ? we are war crimanals ?

10,000 civilians? Source? How many of them 'civilians' armed with AK47 and RPGs?

[UoUo]

We build walls....but your country avtive in a war that 10,000 civilian died there in 7 mouth....what your point ? we are war crimanals ?

10,000 civilians? Source? How many of them 'civilians' armed with AK47 and RPGs?

Ok...i saw the numbers here http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4532

Hey don't get we wrong...i support the war...i just wanted to show him the Meaning of war.

[gk404]

[sorry for thread jacking but this is getting out of hand]

I agree, I am sick and tired of this Israel vs Palestine BS that seems to permeate practicaly every single F'n thread on this board.... :backhand:

[UoUo]

[sorry for thread jacking but this is getting out of hand]

I agree, I am sick and tired of this Israel vs Palestine BS that seems to permeate practicaly every single F'n thread on this board.... :backhand:

Belive me...i am tired of this also....

[kinghk]

You trying to proove something that basicly wrong from the begining .



Cut the crap, I'm not the one who comes with undocumented statements.
Do you have any kind of reliable sources to verify the statement that IDF is the most human army in the world?




Common , why to argue something you don't know about ?



As if you know how human all the armies in the world are.




That's driving me crazy .


Me too.

[Javehn]

You trying to proove something that basicly wrong from the begining .



Cut the crap, I'm not the one who comes with undocumented statements.
Do you have any kind of reliable sources to verify the statement that IDF is the most human army in the world?




Common , why to argue something you don't know about ?



As if you know how human all the armies in the world are.




That's driving me crazy .


Me too.

Ok , i don't know nothing about that matter , and seems you know some things about that matter much better then me . What do i know , i just clueless teenager . Tell me please , how do you see IDF behavior , how it should be your point of view , where have IDF mistaken, and what they should do in the future ?

[Uncle Sam]

We build walls....but your country avtive in a war that 10,000 civilian died there in 7 mouth....what your point ? we are war crimanals ?

If you are referring to my post...I was merely trying to say that the Israelis deal with terror on a daily basis...Suicide bombers etc...That's all.

[UkrainianAmerican]

We build walls....but your country avtive in a war that 10,000 civilian died there in 7 mouth....what your point ? we are war crimanals ?

10,000 civilians? Source? How many of them 'civilians' armed with AK47 and RPGs?
How many of the Palestianian civilians have the same "tools".
I believe what he meant was that if u take BBC statistics Russia, US, and Israel are nothing but a buch of war criminals
:lol:

[usa320]

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/MIDEAST-BOMBER.jpg

what a crazy ass bitch.

[NOKIA--G21]

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/MIDEAST-BOMBER.jpg

what a crazy ass bitch. :P :P

lol

[soma]

Where or where is the 15th :(

[ExtraT]

Could explain what is happening in the picture below

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/seethis.jpg


The explanation is very simple. The guy was a suicide bomber, you can see his "martyr's belt" on one of the pictures. When he was being arrested, he grabbed the switch that sets the bomb off. The soldiers tried to hold him, and get his hand away from the switch, but he was resisting. So, they had to shoot him. Then, they removed his clothes, and found the belt. After that, they called in the robot to disarm the bomb.





and is this a fabrication too?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,676640,00.html


It's a fabrication imbedded inside propaganda. "The Guardian" is a known source of this kind of antisemitic rubbish.



[sorry for thread jacking but this is getting out of hand]

Noprob. Any time you want to make an ass of yourself - please do so. :lol:

[ExtraT]

Graphic Image! (http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517719)

A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall...


This is one dead idiot I wouldn't shed any tears over. Bastards like him cause suffering all over the world, it's only fair if they get it too sometimes.

[ExtraT]

You wouldn't ever understand , what pressure and fear that is
....



I second every single one of your words, and also I agree that IDF is the most humane army in the world. It's humanity to "palestinians" comes to the point of routinely putting it's own soldiers in unwarranted danger. And the ISM issue is at the center of this: I CAN'T imagine any country that would tolerate a presence of these ISM ****s in a war zone. ISM "activists" were repeatedly caught giving aid to terrorists, and their connections (read funding) by international terrorist organaizations are well documented. Letting them into the country is just plain criminal!

[gk404]

It's a fabrication imbedded inside propaganda. "The Guardian" is a known source of this kind of antisemitic rubbish

:cantbeli: Why is it that anytime somebody disagrees they are automaticaly antisemetic?

You know what ExtraT, you're absolutely right, they're all f'n terrorists. Question is though what are you as an Israeli doing about it?

[ExtraT]

Obviously the Israeli justice is of the same opinion, that soldier will be jailed for a long time.

Don't count on that. It's my impression that when the perpetrator is Israeli and the victim Palestininan, the sentences are not very long. In any case he will probably be paroled soon. I don't know if the victim being british will make a difference.

And how, exactly, did you come to this conclusion? Did you study the subject? Did you examine all the cases like this one (there very few, so it's not very hard)?

Your statements remind me of this funny case some time ago: some international woman-rights group was complaining that IDF soldiers don't rape Arab women, because they consider them of inferiour race. :lol:

[ArmedPacifist]

Graphic Image! (http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517719)

A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall...


This is one dead idiot I wouldn't shed any tears over. Bastards like him cause suffering all over the world, it's only fair if they get it too sometimes.

Yes, because we all know peace activists murder, rape and pillage all the time right?

How do "bastards like him" cause suffering around the world and why did he deserve to die?

[ExtraT]

Yes, because we all know peace activists murder, rape and pillage all the time right?


They themselve don't (for now), but they bless others to do these things for them. They give terrorism a "human face".



How do "bastards like him" cause suffering around the world and why did he deserve to die?

When an ISM activist posts himself as a human shield for a "palestinian" riot, he gives a "palestinian" sniper an opportunity to shoot IDF soldiers. In a sence, he is helping the terrorist.

When Rachael Corie (the infamous ISM martyr-bitch) was interfering with a bulldozer that was plowing a dirt road in search of mines (yes, that's what really happened, not the lame "defending farmer's home" story), she was covering for the terrorist who mined the road in the first place, endangering the life of an IDF tank crew that was supposed to pass through there later.

When ISM dissiminates "palestinian" propaganda, it is fulfilling the work of terrorist organizations, because media-posing is an essential part of terrorism.

Whem ISM uses liberal rhetoric to defend and legitimize terrorist activity, they aid terrorists by giving them a "freedom fighter aura" which they, of course, don't deserve.

Generally speaking, these ISM activists are of the lowest kind of scum that exist in the world today - they are mostly leftie wannabe-politicians that try to jump-start their careers through activism. In the upcoming world war that they are so desperately bringing forward, we will be hanging these ****s en mass on light poles. :lol:

[ExtraT]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517789

Why is this bastard still breathing?

Because this piece of **** claims to be a a holy cow. Hopefully, though, his days may be numbered. He already marginally missed one assassination attempt. Maybe second time will be the charm?

It will be a real disappointment if he dies in his bed. Unless if that's where a hellfire misslie finds him. :)

[juhae]

It's a fabrication imbedded inside propaganda. "The Guardian" is a known source of this kind of antisemitic rubbish :cantbeli: Why is it that anytime somebody disagrees they are automaticaly antisemetic?

The common confusion between "anti-semitic" and "anti-zionist".

[ExtraT]

:cantbeli: Why is it that anytime somebody disagrees they are automaticaly antisemetic?


You want to know why "The Guardian" is antisemitic? Because they are biased beyond any reasonable doubt. They routinely distort and invent facts against Israel. And bias against Israel (A Jewish state) is antisemitic. So, yes - "The Guardian" is antisemitic.



You know what ExtraT, you're absolutely right, they're all f'n terrorists. Question is though what are you as an Israeli doing about it?

What do you mean by that?

[ExtraT]

The common confusion between "anti-semitic" and "anti-zionist".

It's not confusion - it's hiding. Modern antisemites claim that they are "anti-zionists". It's the newest strain of "scientific antisemitism" - it makes them "politically correct".

[mustamato]

The common confusion between "anti-semitic" and "anti-zionist".

It's not confusion - it's hiding. Modern antisemites claim that they are "anti-zionists". It's the newest strain of "scientific antisemitism" - it makes them "politically correct".

So is there to the zionists out there (which I assume includes you) any way to hm, criticise what IDF are doing on palestinian territory without being antisemitic?

[ExtraT]

So is there to the zionists out there (which I assume includes you) any way to hm, criticise what IDF are doing on palestinian territory without being antisemitic?

Absolutely. What does that have to do with Zionism? If you can show me, without distortion of facts, a case when IDF soldiers overstepped their bounds (there certainly are cases like that), then this criticism is absolutely welcome. Just don't distort facts, and don't apply double standards.

[mustamato]

So is there to the zionists out there (which I assume includes you) any way to hm, criticise what IDF are doing on palestinian territory without being antisemitic?

Absolutely. What does that have to do with Zionism? If you can show me, without distortion of facts, a case when IDF soldiers overstepped their bounds (there certainly are cases like that), then this criticism is absolutely welcome. Just don't distort facts, and don't apply double standards.

Well for me it´s quite simple really. I consider the Gaza strip and the West bank (with half of the Jerusalem) to be palestinian. Not because archaelogists have found some 10.000 year old bones that pooossibly was the ancestors to the nowaday jews on the place where the Al-Aqsa mosque is today, but because that´s the way it is today politically. If IDF shoots and kills terrorists on Israeli soil then that´s fine with me.

But they should stay on their own side of the border. I do understand that the settlements complicate it all a bit. But it is not like anyone is forcing them to live their. And I do understand that most jews/zionists use to have all kind of strange maps they show where Palestine is actually in Jordan and crap like that, but as I said, unfortunately for them, that´s not the political situation today...

Summa summarum = If IDF kills terrorists in Israel then it´s OK. If they kill freedom fighters in Gaza or the West bank then it´s not OK.

[hood]

So if Palestinians are launching rockets from Gaza over at Israel I suppose it's not OK to shoot them. So they should wait for the Palestinians strapped with bombs to get through the border crossing before killing them?

[mustamato]

So if Palestinians are launching rockets from Gaza over at Israel I suppose it's not OK to shoot them. So they should wait for the Palestinians strapped with bombs to get through the border crossing before killing them?

Exactly. If the palestinians were attacking Israel without Israel responding as they use too (killing in palestine territory, blowing up houses, tanks destroying infrastructure etc), then ISM would soon be in Israel and protecting to jews insteads of the palestinians. Suicide bombers is really the only thing the palestinians got. The Kassam rockets are ineffective, the palestinian gun men are as something taken out of Rambo-movies (spraying full auto from their hip) and are even more ineffective.

You know, it takes two to dance tango. Someone have to stop first, and it won´t be the palestinians in the refugee camps that has nothing to loose.

[Javehn]

Yes , indeed . Just like i wroted here allready , let me summer, 20 times , i will wrote it again for 21 time .

The reason why IDF is on the territories those days , is because of too much closeness of , let's call it engage line , and last line of own troops . While in war they suppose to be several echelons away from each other , and gaining strategical depth means just that , we don't have that luxury . So , the first "war" effort is to pass the fighting from your territory , where you are defender , and drive it into enemy territory . Don't understand me too much litteraly on this , that's a principal of war .

The territories are in close proximity to Israel cities and infrastructures , and i do mean very close , let's make it very very close . For that purposes the settlements were build - they gave some ground depth . For those of you , who will jump and ask , why not do it inside Israel - simple . In the middle of Israel , the territories are so deep like axe , they live room of aprox 15 km . If Israel would try security zones between itself and the territories , on it's soil , Israel is litterally chocking itself , chocking in all meanings , imagine yourself country , that in one segment it's all length from side to side is 5 km !! In that case , we don't need no security zonez , and it will be our last consirn .

But never the less , the setlements aren't geaving enough room to breath , and infact they gave Palestinian tools to they claimes . And even more , those settlements become something like a "fire magnet" to Palestinians , making they presents there more controversial then needed .

Palestinian terrorists non stoping action to infiltrate Israel (one time it was the easiest thing to do , sence there been nothing between Israel and territories , and people could travel between them without any problem . Many jews visited the market of Nablus 3 years ago , today if jew come there , he is dead meat ) . That made Israel to make checkpoints over the cities (from the 1 intifada) over they exits . The checkpoints are very controversial matter , and even if they gain millitary cause , they disrupt life of the civils . Those are named "avalanche situation" , sence single situation is causing event from other side .

With time to time it's become impossible to stop the terror infiltrators , so it was decided to "seage" every Palestinian city , in order to stop the terrorists to get out . It was desided to make it in "breathing siege" method , while nothing comes in and out , life inside the city are continuing , and the neccesary stuff for life comes inside and out . That , however again , was problematic situation for many Palestinians , that worked in Israel , for sick people that wanted to get out . Avalanche .

The infiltrators kept on comming , then it was decided , that in order to stop them , it needed routh canal job , and turned from inside. Israeli army performed entering inside the cities in order to stop the situation . The army discovered the problematic situation , that it's impossible to act , while the people are walking free inside the city . Decided to perform cuerfew , during the operation inside the cities , in order not to harm civilians . Those who got outside , was the terrorists , and made it simpler to operate . This however , cost another problematic situation , the cuerfews . Avalanche .

That an example how is problematic to end the terror for Israel . Every action that IDF makes causes an avalanche , no matter what they will do . For other countries , that had dispute abroads , didn't had those problems . Nor the colonial wars of this century , nor the border disputes in several countries , you cannot compare it to them . Endeed , they harming the Palestinian people very much , but the ones who should be account on it , are the terror groups , they are the ones who cause all of this suffer to they own people . Also , almost every action the IDF and Israel took , had a wave of internation "against" , even if those actions were to correct the deeds of previos actions . The example of it is the "wall " - security fence. It allows Palestinian people to live without army presence inside they cities and territories , something they haven't had in last 1.5 year .

[juhae]

The common confusion between "anti-semitic" and "anti-zionist".It's not confusion - it's hiding. Modern antisemites claim that they are "anti-zionists". It's the newest strain of "scientific antisemitism" - it makes them "politically correct".
While this probably applies to the extreme right-wing (usually a neo-fascist agenda), I can't find any real proof that anti-zionism would automatically equate with anti-zionism, cases like that belong to the conspiracy nuts, who have very little to do with the real world anyway. :)


And I do understand that most jews/zionists use to have all kind of strange maps they show where Palestine is actually in Jordan and crap like that, but as I said, unfortunately for them, that´s not the political situation today...
I wonder what Germany, Latvia, Byelorussia (and Ukraine?) would say if we'd suddenly point to a map of Poland from the 1920's and demand the borders to be moved eastwards by several hundreds of kilometers? ;)

[gk404]

What do you mean by that?

It's a straight forward question, I'm neither Jewish or Palestinian and therefore have no vested intrest in what happens. You do, and I'm just curious as to what you're doing about it.

As I stated in previous posts, I'm just tired of reading the same things over and over again. It's my humble opinion that if you put as much effort into working on a resolution as you do in arguing about who's right or wrong youd be alot better off.

[CX20]

Speaking as a Brit who has a great deal of interest in our media, I can confirm that The Guardian is not just anti-Israeli, but also anti-American, anti-Bush, anti-establishment, anti-capitalist, anti-globalisation, etc etc. It is the favourite newspaper of left wing students, artists, civil liberties organisations and protest groups. Its reports are normally very bias or strongly lean towards the left, and very critical of governments.

On the plus side, its music and arts coverage is top notch.

I'm not entering into this argument on either side, just providing some background information.

[cut]

Graphic Image! (http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517719)

A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall...


This is one dead idiot I wouldn't shed any tears over. Bastards like him cause suffering all over the world, it's only fair if they get it too sometimes.

you are a ignorant little ****

[Royal]

Graphic Image! (http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517719)

A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall...


This is one dead idiot I wouldn't shed any tears over. Bastards like him cause suffering all over the world, it's only fair if they get it too sometimes.

you are a ignorant little ****

Cut, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Tom Hurndall was naive, possibily stupid and certainly biased in his opinions of the situation in Palestine, but he did not deserve to be murdered for his naivity.

[NOKIA--G21]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517789

Why is this bastard still breathing?

Because this piece of **** claims to be a a holy cow. Hopefully, though, his days may be numbered. He already marginally missed one assassination attempt. Maybe second time will be the charm?

It will be a real disappointment if he dies in his bed. Unless if that's where a hellfire misslie finds him. :)

Israel has "marked for death" Hamas spiritual leader Ahmed Yassin,
woot About Time

[ExtraT]

Well for me it´s quite simple really. I consider the Gaza strip and the West bank (with half of the Jerusalem) to be palestinian. Not because archaelogists have found some 10.000 year old bones....


What does any of that have to do with Israeli presence on the territories? Do you even know why these territories were captured in the first place? you think that Israel LIKES to control a ****-hole like Gaza or, say, Jenin? Or, maybe, you think that Israel's economy is gaining anything out of it? Perhaps you think that IDF is extatic over it? Do you know that because of the current escalation IDF is losing it's professionalism? That tank crues, for example, spend more time manning checkpoints than in tanks?

You know, you've repeatedly shown your utter ignorance of modern Middle East history. Really, read alittle, learn alittle - you sound like a reasonable, realistic man. With proper education you may yet see the light.



But they should stay on their own side of the border.


What border? the uncontrollable, unprotectable, riddled with millions of security holes "green line"? We tried that - First time in the 1950s. This border is uncontrollable, PERIOD. Thank you, oh great UN for for forcing this border on our throats.



I do understand that the settlements complicate it all a bit.


Actually, they simplify it a lot. That's why they were created in the first place. If it wasn't for the settlements, we would be again in the dead-end situation of the 1950s.



Summa summarum = If IDF kills terrorists in Israel then it´s OK. If they kill freedom fighters in Gaza or the West bank then it´s not OK.

I'm sorry, but we already tried killing them only inside Israel - it didn't work. The current situation was forced upon us by the "palestinians".
History has shown repeatedly that Israel cannot defend itself while locked in the "green line" borders - the country is too small, there is no strategic depth. Hell, there isn't even any tactical depth to speak of. A terrorist that crosses the border is immidiately in densly populated areas. And stuff like shooting down civilian airplanes is possible even without crossing any borders.

[ArmedPacifist]

Graphic Image! (http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=517719)

A British peace activist going only by the name Alice cries for help as she holds her hand over the headwound of British peace activist Thomas Hurndall...


This is one dead idiot I wouldn't shed any tears over. Bastards like him cause suffering all over the world, it's only fair if they get it too sometimes.

you are a ignorant little ****

Cut, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Tom Hurndall was naive, possibily stupid and certainly biased in his opinions of the situation in Palestine, but he did not deserve to be murdered for his naivity.

Right on

[ExtraT]

Tom Hurndall was naive, possibily stupid and certainly biased in his opinions of the situation in Palestine, but he did not deserve to be murdered for his naivity.

What's that, an insanity defense?

[ArmedPacifist]

Tom Hurndall was naive, possibily stupid and certainly biased in his opinions of the situation in Palestine, but he did not deserve to be murdered for his naivity.

What's that, an insanity defense?

I know freedom of expression is a new concept for you and all.....