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Trident-za
01-14-2004, 03:07 PM
There is a little-known "special forces" unit in South Africa with the above name. I worked with them back in the early 90's while I was in the military and was most impressed with their skill and dedication. Recently, there have been several documentaries on local TV about their selection and training - primarily aimed at boosting the number of people who apply for the unit, I think (current strength is under 100 operators).

Having spent some time in a semi-elite unit, and knowing various SF people from the UK and RSA, I was quite shocked at this police unit's selection process. It really was the proverbial eye-opener. Their selection is divided into 5 phases. They have a pre-selection course of 2 weeks. This particular group started with 76 recruits.

First phase is short - only 86 hours, but during this time the recruits do not sleep for 1 second and get no food. They also do SERIOUS physical excertion - they must walk at least 250km through the bush in this phase(apart from other PT), carrying different things at different times e.g. a piece of railway sleeper attached to a "ball" of steel by a chain (must be carried for 30km) and the so-called "string of chocolate boxes" (ammo crates filled with cement and joined by 1m lengthes of chain, 5 boxes per string - which are carried for 15km+). No sleep, no food, lots of exertion - for 86 hours.

A rude introduction to the course, but nothing too over the top - I recognized a big percentage of the course from my own days in the military :) The next phase, however, seemed a bit tougher. Phase 2 (6 weeks) is supposedly the "weapons phase". Recruits are introduced to the various weapons of the unit (from 9mm pistol up to RPG-7) and have to pass stringent marksmanship tests for each weapon. PT is a huge part of this phase, however. They spend many many hours a day running or walking carrying ALL their weapons at the same time. Average sleep per night for this 6 week phase is 3.5 hours.

(Some numbers for you - 57 people started phase one, 14 completed it. At the start of phase two these 14 joined the survivors of a previous phase 1 course. At the end of phase two, only 2of the original 14 had passed all the weapons training, and not given up to get some sleep - so far, 2 out of 76).

Phase 3 was a shocker, never seen or heard of anything like it. In fact, a good percentage of it just seemed insane - designed to create deaths. Phase 3 is the "rural survival" course. It involves the normal tactical training, weapons firing lanes, survival, anti-tracking etc. etc. Can't remember how long it lasts (12 weeks, I think). However, their are two final "tests" to this phase. The first test, the recruits are given a map reference 40km away from the start point - the aim is to get to this point without being captured. They have a 40 minute head-start and the "pursuit group" are badged operators, working with helicopter support. It's difficult to explain, but having viewed the video footage I was really impressed by the idea - setting them up as the "bad guys", so in future they would know what to expect from the bad guys. Needless to say, the 40km distance did not include anti-tracking procedures etc. They had been on the move (without food) for a LONG time before finally being captured.

The "reward" for failing the test was 3 days with little food and almost no water in the bush, alone. Nice warm up for the last test - the Kalahari walk. For people not from southern Africa, the Kalahari is a desert - not pure sand, but very little vegetation and no water. Lots of wildlife, including Kalahari lions. The test? Wearing T-shirt, shorts and boots and carrying a rifle, walk to a point 150 km away - in your own time, no cut-off time. The catch? You are issued with only 4 litres of water. This struck me as completely insane. If you haven't ever experienced the Kalahari heat, it can't be described.

Anyway, every single recruit who made it this far completed this test (much to my amazement, there were no deaths). One recruit pulled a muscle in his groin 40km from the end point, and he had run out of water. The instructors just left him, although they monitored his progress form time to time with a helicpoter - he could either continue/give up/ die. He took nearly 24 hours to complete the final 40km, but he finished.

The final phases were typical urban training and parchute training. I was just stunned at the brutality of phases 2 and 3. The final pass rate of the original goup was 2 out of 76.

All this for a "police unit"?? By the way, the entire selection process lasted 9 months - and I'm not at all suprised that they have fewer than 100 badged operators currently on duty. I can now understand why I was so impressed with these guys - not just hardcore, but seriously skilled.

Trident-za
01-14-2004, 03:16 PM
To add to this, their "assignment" is very broad - they deal with hostage situations (trains/planes/buildings) as well as "normal South African crime" such as hijakings of cars/cash transit vehicles etc etc. This involves alot of urban AND rural work (many criminals in SA retreat to the bush to hide).

I don't know how to put images in here, so I've got 2 links - one to the TF in rural training, and one to urban training.

http://groups.msn.com/SouthAfricanPoliceServicePhotos/specialtaskforcepics.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=121 (typical SA bush)

http://groups.msn.com/SouthAfricanPoliceServicePhotos/specialtaskforcepics.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=120 (Urban warfare)

Bootneck
01-14-2004, 07:12 PM
Thanks for the interesting info Trident-za. I would have missed this if I hadn't dug down into the forum. You're right, the crap threads are knocking all of the quality content off the board.

Can you direct me to any photos of modern South African SF operators? I've not been able to find much online.

Haiw
01-14-2004, 07:59 PM
Whoa. So are those guys basically just used as a CT force or what? I mean, judging from the training I'd say it wouldn't hurt to give them some more practical training so they could be used as SOF during war-time no?
I mean, it seems like they'd have the physical requirements allright... :D

Trident-za
01-15-2004, 04:18 AM
Haiw, yes they are used primarily as a CT unit, although this covers a broad range of activities in South Africa. The South African SF unit is more than capable of dealing with "normal" SOF activities.

I have a link to a website on the South African SF unit, but it's at home. Will post it laster on today.

Haiw
01-15-2004, 03:31 PM
Interesting. You got any info about any of their actions and how often they're being used?

scoone
01-15-2004, 04:20 PM
Can you get us a few pics?

Mr. Nielsen
01-15-2004, 05:36 PM
Some TV group have made a documentary series, where the TV crew followed the unit through there day to day work. It also followed applicants
through the selection course mentioned in the first post. In the episode I watched the candidates were going through an obstacle course, while the instructors stressed them by firing live rounds into the water near them and around them. Seemed very hazardous.

Their handling of hostage events etc. gave the impression of a a very professional and skilled unit.

Trident-za
01-16-2004, 02:21 PM
Sorry for the late reply. First off, here is a link to a website dealing with the South African special forces unit.http://www.recce.co.za/ There are a couple of photo galleries (links near bottom left), although the quality of some is pretty low - especially the operational pics.

Mr. Nielsen, I have a 19 minute video clip that must be from that TV crew you were talking about. The commentary is all in french, but the footage shows some training from phase1 and 2 or 3 "missions", including a hostage rescue. Nice viewing, although I don't understand a single word of french :(

Scoone, pics of the police Task Force are kind of hard to come by. This site (http://www.saps.org.za/16_divstat/taskforce/text2.htm) has a few pics, as well as a bit of info on the unit, its objectives, and a listing of some of its "actions" (for Haiw). The site has really bad navigation issues, you can only move forward or back, the info is a bit vague and the pics are not great. I can't seem to find anything better, though....

Aegirsson
01-16-2004, 02:47 PM
It reminds me of french foreign legion training, the courses you depicted are very similar. The ffl training course that i know is base in french guyana jungle.
But i have a video about what is said to be the hardest course of the world, it is in a center african contry, 90% of the course is amphibious.
And they say the only course that seems to be from the same level is a SAS courswe in népal.

However the surviving training is done with t-shirt, short, and **** feet. The only weapon is a famas, and the instructor throw cold water on the recruits before unleashing them in jungle...
They have 3 briquets (i don't know how to say it, it's the thing you use for lighting cigarets) for 20 people.

But your course seems to be typically a police unit course: with eliminations. In ffl your are not judge on what you can or can not do, the only thing they ask you is to finish.

Haiw
01-16-2004, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the page. Quite interesting. Weird their actions are rather unknown as some of 'em appear just as 'big' to me as for example the SAS action at the Iranian embassy.

soma
01-16-2004, 08:18 PM
The training seems a bit excessive, but I suppose SA is that kind of place.

Dominique
01-17-2004, 10:37 AM
Here's the link to the offical SAPS Special Task Force page:

http://www.saps.org.za/16_divstat/taskforce/text1.htm

Links to some STF photo sites:

http://groups.msn.com/SouthAfricanPoliceServicePhotos/specialtaskforcepics.msnw

www.geocities.com/poissonclint/SAPS_photos.html

Trident-za
01-17-2004, 05:37 PM
I've been readin up a bit about these guys (the documentaries really caught my eye). For the paras amongst us, you know how crap "milling" can be (we lost 4 recruits on my course, through milling - 1 broken jaw, 3 guys with broken ribs). I just read that the Task Force guys had to do milling once a week through phases 1 and 2. That video clip I mentioned above also shows 2 would-be operators parting company with a front tooth while milling. I don't know about you, but the idea of doing milling 8 or 9 times doesn't fill me with joy :)

Trident-za
01-17-2004, 05:56 PM
Do we have any British paras here? If so, could you please PM me - I have a question regarding a "traditional" South African para tradition. Our selection and training is based on the Brit model (same selection tests, almost to the letter), so I'm wondering if you guys had to undergo the same... treatment :)

Haiw
01-18-2004, 03:02 PM
I've been readin up a bit about these guys (the documentaries really caught my eye). For the paras amongst us, you know how crap "milling" can be (we lost 4 recruits on my course, through milling - 1 broken jaw, 3 guys with broken ribs). I just read that the Task Force guys had to do milling once a week through phases 1 and 2. That video clip I mentioned above also shows 2 would-be operators parting company with a front tooth while milling. I don't know about you, but the idea of doing milling 8 or 9 times doesn't fill me with joy :)
Geez...those SA's have a deathwish or something? Same goes for the stuff about the Recce regiments you posted a long while back...hats off to them. (you might wanna repost that stuff, since there's so much new members that haven't read that stuff about the Recce regiments)