Putin is nutty...

[Herrmannek]

When the sub sunk he was waiting 4 days with any statment
When theatre was attacked he waited 4 days with any statement
When some russian guys were robed by 3 polish punks, he made statment and sent a official note before even polish police was told about event by and started media antypolish campaign...
If somoene desperately is looking for enemy? :)

[stuntman]

When the sub sunk he was waiting 4 days with any statment
When theatre was attacked he waited 4 days with any statement
When some russian guys were robed by 3 polish punks, he made statment and sent a official note before even polish police was told about event by and started media antypolish campaign...
If somoene desperately is looking for enemy? :)

Seems so..

Maybe it's time to send the Grom to Russia! p-)

[UoUo]

When the sub sunk he was waiting 4 days with any statment
When theatre was attacked he waited 4 days with any statement
When some russian guys were robed by 3 polish punks, he made statment and sent a official note before even polish police was told about event by and started media antypolish campaign...
If somoene desperately is looking for enemy? :)

Seems so..

Maybe it's time to send the Grom to Russia! p-)

yeah....right. :D

[VISTREL]

actaully about KURSK story..there is a reason he waited several days..the incident had nothing to do with bad fuel in Kursk torpedoes...

any of u readers here live in Canada and watch history channel (not the american one) ? there was a program about Kursk which stated new theory about what really happened...

[Herrmannek]

It doesn't matter. Just consider magnitude and reaction that follow the kursk event and few guys being robed in city with have few tens if not hundreds of such things a day. This clearly shows who have complex :)

[AlexNenadic]

actaully about KURSK story..there is a reason he waited several days..the incident had nothing to do with bad fuel in Kursk torpedoes...

any of u readers here live in Canada and watch history channel (not the american one) ? there was a program about Kursk which stated new theory about what really happened...

No doubt blaming the US Navy for the accident? :roll:

[StukaJr]

1) Not liking Poles and not tollerating agression against your citizens is not being nutty...

2) The tragedies like Nord Ost and Kursk involved a lot of unknowns, security issues and the former involved the risks of releasing the information about the parties involved.

3) Strange parrallel - I think Hermannek is the nut here

[VISTREL]

I don't remember the details but it was like during the exercise Kursk hit american sub without bad intentions, and then the second american sub in area thought that Kursk fired at the sub, and send the missle in...this way two submarines sunk on the same day...the reason why Putin did not allow foreign help to the area is to clear up the remains of Memphis (or what it was called)....after that, US cleared several of Russia debts, and paid $25,000 to each family of russian submariners in Kursk...that was the version....Ill try to find more about that episode on history channel..

[Herrmannek]

3) Strange parrallel - I think Hermannek is the nut here

What is strange is that totaly irrevelant minor purely criminal act that would not get any attention at all if it would happen to any other nationality(maybe except Bielarusians that seems play to the same gate :) ) got huge attention of president, media and dyplomats faster and to bigger extant than other important events. Argument that Putin couldn't say a world right after kursk and dubrovka is dumbest ever... Saying "we do our best to solve the problem" doesn't cost a **** and isn't a threat to anything maybe except a semi-dictator that can't handle his country and must find a outside enemy at al cost to blame for his failures...

[Brookes]

I don't remember the details but it was like during the exercise Kursk hit american sub without bad intentions, and then the second american sub in area thought that Kursk fired at the sub, and send the missle in...this way two submarines sunk on the same day...the reason why Putin did not allow foreign help to the area is to clear up the remains of Memphis (or what it was called)....after that, US cleared several of Russia debts, and paid $25,000 to each family of russian submariners in Kursk...that was the version....Ill try to find more about that episode on history channel..


But foreign help did arrive, a dutch company salvaged the vessel... Or had they by that time removed all the evidence? :roll:

[Kaapeli]

Sounds like Putin is a politician. :P

[Khabbi]

I don't remember the details but it was like during the exercise Kursk hit american sub without bad intentions, and then the second american sub in area thought that Kursk fired at the sub, and send the missle in...this way two submarines sunk on the same day...the reason why Putin did not allow foreign help to the area is to clear up the remains of Memphis (or what it was called)....after that, US cleared several of Russia debts, and paid $25,000 to each family of russian submariners in Kursk...that was the version....Ill try to find more about that episode on history channel..


But foreign help did arrive, a dutch company salvaged the vessel... Or had they by that time removed all the evidence? :roll:

Im sure the aliens helped out , the grey ones , not the green

[Macs.]

I blame america for all of this.

[Igor01]

When some russian guys were robed by 3 polish punks, he made statment and sent a official note before even polish police was told about event by and started media antypolish campaign...
If somoene desperately is looking for enemy? :)

First of all the statement issued was not Putin's but from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Polish or any other authorities would have done exactly the same. Secondly, the 3 Russians and 1 Kazakhstan youth were seriously beaten (missing teeth, concussion) and robbed by a gang of not 3 but 15 Polish skinheads who were shouting obseneties and anti-Russian insults as they attacked the victims. Thirdly if you think that there's any kind of anti-Polish hysteria in Russian media because of this then you are obviously suffering from a delusion of grandeur, thinking that Russians attach a lot more importance to your country in general or this insident in particular than we really do.

Hate crimes like this do happen (in Moscow too by the way) so all that the Russian authorities asked for is that the perpetrators of this crime be apprehended and dealt with in accordance with Polish law, just like it would be expected of the Russian authorities if the incident were reversed.

And as for sending Grom to Russia, honestly it's quite laughable to see such arrogance, just as silly as the 1939 "March on Kaunas" and demands to acquire overseas colonies for Poland. Seriously, I like Poles because they are so similar to Russians, but why on Earth do you guys sometimes start acting like you're the God's greatest gift to humanity?

[AlexNenadic]

I don't remember the details but it was like during the exercise Kursk hit american sub without bad intentions, and then the second american sub in area thought that Kursk fired at the sub, and send the missle in...this way two submarines sunk on the same day...the reason why Putin did not allow foreign help to the area is to clear up the remains of Memphis (or what it was called)....after that, US cleared several of Russia debts, and paid $25,000 to each family of russian submariners in Kursk...that was the version....Ill try to find more about that episode on history channel..

Allright. Here's the main problem I see with that version of the story (I've heard it before):

No USN subs have been lost in that period, or have been lost since. Kind of hard to hide such an event, as exemplified by the loss of Kursk.

[Herrmannek]

When some russian guys were robed by 3 polish punks, he made statment and sent a official note before even polish police was told about event by and started media antypolish campaign...
If somoene desperately is looking for enemy? :)

First of all the statement issued was not Putin's but from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Polish or any other authorities would have done exactly the same.
THey wouldn't :)

Secondly, the 3 Russians and 1 Kazakhstan youth were seriously beaten (missing teeth, concussion)

No concussion, and only partialy broken teth :)

and robbed by a gang of not 3 but 15 Polish skinheads who were shouting obseneties and anti-Russian insults as they attacked the victims.

Investigation and direct relations of victims don't support that thesis... Attackers didn't knew nationality of victims. It was just robery not a hate crime. Big city life...



Thirdly if you think that there's any kind of anti-Polish hysteria in Russian media because of this then you are obviously suffering from a delusion of grandeur, thinking that Russians attach a lot more importance to your country in general or this insident in particular than we really do.

You can trivialise that by taking out of context that one event. Poland get atention from putin and ministry(in negative way) any other country don't , and point is we don't give any real reason for that. There is no a month without putin or ministry saying something idioticaly negative about Poland. And I don't say its all over the media every time, nor it is histeria. Its just static, planed long term propaganda.

Hate crimes like this do happen (in Moscow too by the way) so all that the Russian authorities asked for is that the perpetrators of this crime be apprehended and dealt with in accordance with Polish law, just like it would be expected of the Russian authorities if the incident were reversed.

It wasn't hate crime...

why on Earth do you guys sometimes start acting like you're the God's greatest gift to humanity?

Haha, and Russian says that to me :)

[VISTREL]

I don't remember the details but it was like during the exercise Kursk hit american sub without bad intentions, and then the second american sub in area thought that Kursk fired at the sub, and send the missle in...this way two submarines sunk on the same day...the reason why Putin did not allow foreign help to the area is to clear up the remains of Memphis (or what it was called)....after that, US cleared several of Russia debts, and paid $25,000 to each family of russian submariners in Kursk...that was the version....Ill try to find more about that episode on history channel..

Allright. Here's the main problem I see with that version of the story (I've heard it before):

No USN subs have been lost in that period, or have been lost since. Kind of hard to hide such an event, as exemplified by the loss of Kursk.

like they would say that on TV rofl

we were spying and lost one of our subs, and caused death to another sub cuz of our stupidity...

[AlexNenadic]

like they would say that on TV rofl

we were spying and lost one of our subs, and caused death to another sub cuz of our stupidity...

That makes no sense. If the US covered up its loss, why would the Russians reveal theirs? According to your story, they didn't wish to reveal the fact that there was an accident involving the USN. So why not just cover up the whole thing, and "no one lost anything"?

Also explain this, how would the US Navy hide the loss of one of 25 LA class boats, as well as the loss of about 120 officers and enlisted men? Those sailors do have families you know.

[Mr.K]

And on that day the polish trolls celebrated.
Oh well, some one will beat up some polish kids in Russia, in fact the whole thing might be in process as we speak.
On a more serious note : I hope someone breaks your teeth, even patraily, then you will understand that its no laughing matter and a handicap for life.

[jedisponge]

Also explain this, how would the US Navy hide the loss of one of 25 LA class boats, as well as the loss of about 120 officers and enlisted men? Those sailors do have families you know.
Any conspiracy theory has to touch on that part. I don't see how 120 or so families would be able to keep quiet after such an event.

[SpN]

That makes no sense. If the US covered up its loss, why would the Russians reveal theirs? According to your story, they didn't wish to reveal the fact that there was an accident involving the USN. So why not just cover up the whole thing, and "no one lost anything"?

Well the U.S. easily could have payed of all of those people, while Russia on the other hand obviously doesn't really care about public opinion as much and also has less money to throw around.

Imagine mighty U.S., the sole superpower, causing an accident invoving another country and killing many people. How would that seem, that would be a MAJOR emberassment especially since America is the most powerfull nation on Earth.


Also explain this, how would the US Navy hide the loss of one of 25 LA class boats, as well as the loss of about 120 officers and enlisted men? Those sailors do have families you know.

It's quite possible that the U.S. sub suffered minor damage, with no loss of life of their own.


http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/31750.html
Seems like not the first time U.S. tried to cover up their screw ups...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/10/nuclear.submarine.update/

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news001/news023.htm

"Currently the U.S. Navy is leading the world in the number of collisions between its submarines and other vessels."

Ironic, and you people say Russians are incompetent

[AlexNenadic]

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news001/news023.htm

"Currently the U.S. Navy is leading the world in the number of collisions between its submarines and other vessels."

Ironic, and you people say Russians are incompetent


That quote comes from Venik's www.aeronautics.ru , the same website that claimed 80+ NATO planes shot down by the Serbs in 1999, including a B-2. ;)

Check out this website. Sub accidents happen because they play a high risk game.

http://www.subguru.com/multimedia.htm

[)I(EHbKA.]

Vistrel, pros'ba, pomeniay avatar, postav cho nibud chelovecheskoe, smotret protivno ;)

[Lokos]

That quote comes from Venik's www.aeronautics.ru , the same website that claimed 80+ NATO planes shot down by the Serbs in 1999, including a B-2. Wink

To be fair, they flew missions at heights where we couldn't hit them, and they couldn't hit anything smaller than, say, an embassy compound. Or a television broadcast tower. Or, granted, barracks.

As such, our casualties on the ground were extremely low during the bombardment, and their casualties in the air were extremely light. They mangled our infrastructure pretty badly, though.

Just a side-note.

Lokos

[AlexNenadic]

To be fair, they flew missions at heights where we couldn't hit them, and they couldn't hit anything smaller than, say, an embassy compound. Or a television broadcast tower. Or, granted, barracks.

As such, our casualties on the ground were extremely low during the bombardment, and their casualties in the air were extremely light. They mangled our infrastructure pretty badly, though.

Just a side-note.

Lokos

I agree with your assesment. The above is a pretty fair summary of "Allied Force" results, so to speak.

I wouldn't say that they couldn't hit small targets however (which implies a lack of accuracy), rather that NATO couldn't find very many tanks, APCs and such from high up. Note that airstrikes in Afghanistan from similar altitudes turned out to be very devastating for the Taliban and Al Qaeda, because of Green Berets who were on the ground forwarding GPS coordinates and/or lasing the targets.

[VISTREL]

Vistrel, pros'ba, pomeniay avatar, postav cho nibud chelovecheskoe, smotret protivno ;)


:lol:

[Herrmannek]

And on that day the polish trolls celebrated.
Oh well, some one will beat up some polish kids in Russia, in fact the whole thing might be in process as we speak.
On a more serious note : I hope someone breaks your teeth, even patraily, then you will understand that its no laughing matter and a handicap for life.

I have partialy broken teth by accident. Its not that bad, of course in my case crack haven't reached the nerve(uper 2) so you can call me lucky.

I was beaten on the street too, spent 2 weeks in the bed afterward with big violet you may know what and high heat for few days...

Unlucky it happened to our guests, act that is barbarian as it could be but without hate background... Amount of robers was 10-15 of people like you said. Still noone involved was cought, maybe because whole accident was reported 3.5 hours after the event by a non witnes diplomate so any sign of the robers was gone...

[MichaelF]

I don't remember the details but it was like during the exercise Kursk hit american sub without bad intentions, and then the second american sub in area thought that Kursk fired at the sub, and send the missle in...this way two submarines sunk on the same day...the reason why Putin did not allow foreign help to the area is to clear up the remains of Memphis (or what it was called)....after that, US cleared several of Russia debts, and paid $25,000 to each family of russian submariners in Kursk...that was the version....Ill try to find more about that episode on history channel..

Uh....... Havent dealt with many US Servicemen, have you?

If a US sub had torpedo'd a Russian sub, you could (maybe) keep it quiet.
Until TM3 Smith gets out of the Navy and publishes the real story, to make $$$$.

"How I sunk the Kursk"
by John Smith (TM3,USN)

Americans cannot keep secrets.

[Marmot1]

That makes no sense. If the US covered up its loss, why would the Russians reveal theirs? According to your story, they didn't wish to reveal the fact that there was an accident involving the USN. So why not just cover up the whole thing, and "no one lost anything"?

Well the U.S. easily could have payed of all of those people, while Russia on the other hand obviously doesn't really care about public opinion as much and also has less money to throw around.

Imagine mighty U.S., the sole superpower, causing an accident invoving another country and killing many people. How would that seem, that would be a MAJOR emberassment especially since America is the most powerfull nation on Earth.


Also explain this, how would the US Navy hide the loss of one of 25 LA class boats, as well as the loss of about 120 officers and enlisted men? Those sailors do have families you know.

It's quite possible that the U.S. sub suffered minor damage, with no loss of life of their own.


http://www.bellona.no/en/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/31750.html
Seems like not the first time U.S. tried to cover up their screw ups...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/10/nuclear.submarine.update/

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news001/news023.htm

"Currently the U.S. Navy is leading the world in the number of collisions between its submarines and other vessels."

Ironic, and you people say Russians are incompetent




Quote from that site :-D

Currently the U.S. Navy is leading the world in the number of collisions between its submarines and other vessels. According to a number of Russian submarine experts, the reason behind this sad statistics is poor technical shape of the U.S. submarine fleet and inadequate training of the submarine crews. Since the end of the Cold War the U.S. Navy struggled to maintain its submarine operations around the world at a very high level, inconsistent with the available funding. As a direct result of this failure to adapt to the post-Cold War reality, led to the degradation in the technical state of American submarine and the level of training of its crews.

[)I(EHbKA.]

after this incident the Russian skinheads will give Poles in Russia a hard time

[Dalleer]

So , umm , purely out interest.. How many of you Russians in this thread along with the other eastern bloc - types believe in this "Kursk was hit with a torpedo from an American sub" - theory ?

[Igor01]

So , umm , purely out interest.. How many of you Russians in this thread along with the other eastern bloc - types believe in this "Kursk was hit with a torpedo from an American sub" - theory ?

I don't. (Although I probably should as it would be a good explanation why I sport a tin-foil hat on my head, "doctor's orders" just doesn't seem to convince many people)...

[Macs.]

Quote from that site :-D

Currently the U.S. Navy is leading the world in the number of collisions between its submarines and other vessels. According to a number of Russian submarine experts, the reason behind this sad statistics is poor technical shape of the U.S. submarine fleet and inadequate training of the submarine crews. Since the end of the Cold War the U.S. Navy struggled to maintain its submarine operations around the world at a very high level, inconsistent with the available funding. As a direct result of this failure to adapt to the post-Cold War reality, led to the degradation in the technical state of American submarine and the level of training of its crews.

This coming from Russian submarine experts, thats the biggest and biased joke I have ever heared. rofl

[nagant_m44]

So , umm , purely out interest.. How many of you Russians in this thread along with the other eastern bloc - types believe in this "Kursk was hit with a torpedo from an American sub" - theory ?

me neither

[VISTREL]

I don't believe **** unless given a 99% proof...

I just stated what was said in Canadian tv program, and expressed some of my reasonable thoughts about the issue.

[mack pl]

And as for sending Grom to Russia, honestly it's quite laughable to see such arrogance

what are you talking about? :roll: For your information, Stuntman(the guy who said smth about GROM) is not a Pole.



just as silly as the 1939 "March on Kaunas" and demands to acquire overseas colonies for Poland.

what so funny about "march on Kaunas"? ;) Im not arguing about colonies, though :lol:


Seriously, I like Poles because they are so similar to Russians, but why on Earth do you guys sometimes start acting like you're the God's greatest gift to humanity?

and vice versa, mate ;) Russia, and Russians also arent the God gift... :lol:

pozdro

[Drako]

Whole case is a BS. Somehow there wasn't such a big noise in the media when Polish diplomat was beaten in Moscow near the ambassy.

[VISTREL]

because it's ok to beat polish diplomats p-)

[)I(EHbKA.]

Vistrel, pros'ba, pomeniay avatar, postav cho nibud chelovecheskoe, smotret protivno ;)


:lol:

:)

if you want i have a nice pic of Zaporozhets for your new avatar

[Levan]

question who is Putin is still ananswered. middle rank KGB officer)))) he is still midle rank KGB operative. Some fresh meat (designed to rise hopes after depaurture of emperor Yel-Tsin) that begun stinking already. :D

[Levan]

When the sub sunk he was waiting 4 days with any statment
When theatre was attacked he waited 4 days with any statement
When some russian guys were robed by 3 polish punks, he made statment and sent a official note before even polish police was told about event by and started media antypolish campaign...
If somoene desperately is looking for enemy? :)

Seems so..

Maybe it's time to send the Grom to Russia! p-)

Its time to say that Putin is sucker and throw him out))))

[Levan]

he he

[Levan]

Quote from that site :-D

Currently the U.S. Navy is leading the world in the number of collisions between its submarines and other vessels. According to a number of Russian submarine experts, the reason behind this sad statistics is poor technical shape of the U.S. submarine fleet and inadequate training of the submarine crews. Since the end of the Cold War the U.S. Navy struggled to maintain its submarine operations around the world at a very high level, inconsistent with the available funding. As a direct result of this failure to adapt to the post-Cold War reality, led to the degradation in the technical state of American submarine and the level of training of its crews.

This coming from Russian submarine experts, thats the biggest and biased joke I have ever heared. rofl

you might me surprised but such statments are located on almost every more or less popular russian military sites.
For example famous Bratishka resource. You read there "almost 80 of this 67 ton machines (M-1 tank) where complitely destroyed in Iraq and 5 crew members died".

The ignorance and stupidness of the author is significant. But neverthelles if you loose 80 tanks and only 5 crew memebers die it means tank is at least very well protected :D :D :D ignore this resources just like any other official information source from Russia.

hello GazB ;)

[Igor01]

Its time to say that Putin is sucker and throw him out))))

Make it so, you big strong Lighthouse Of Freedom you.

[Levan]

That quote comes from Venik's www.aeronautics.ru , the same website that claimed 80+ NATO planes shot down by the Serbs in 1999, including a B-2. Wink

To be fair, they flew missions at heights where we couldn't hit them, and they couldn't hit anything smaller than, say, an embassy compound. Or a television broadcast tower. Or, granted, barracks.

As such, our casualties on the ground were extremely low during the bombardment, and their casualties in the air were extremely light. They mangled our infrastructure pretty badly, though.

Just a side-note.

Lokos

I met your co-citizens on Aviano airbase, hunting for suveniers related to NATO aviation. I will not mention to you the role 13-th air force and Aviano played in balkan wars ;)

[nagant_m44]

And as for sending Grom to Russia, honestly it's quite laughable to see such arrogance

what are you talking about? :roll: For your information, Stuntman(the guy who said smth about GROM) is not a Pole.



just as silly as the 1939 "March on Kaunas" and demands to acquire overseas colonies for Poland.

what so funny about "march on Kaunas"? ;) Im not arguing about colonies, though :lol:


Seriously, I like Poles because they are so similar to Russians, but why on Earth do you guys sometimes start acting like you're the God's greatest gift to humanity?

and vice versa, mate ;) Russia, and Russians also arent the God gift... :lol:
pozdro

YES we ARE. Who gave the world vodka?? It certainly wasnt you! ;)

[Igor01]

Who gave the world vodka?? It certainly wasnt you! ;)

The jury is still out on this one. But who cares, Poles and Russians have way more similarities than differences, we both could have very well invented vodka and the fact the both our nations appreciate it more than anybody else just supports that theory.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Breaking news: Polish embassy in Moscow was pelted with rotten tomatoes today rofl

edit: two suspects were detained by the police

[Igor01]

Breaking news: Polish embassy in Moscow was pelted with rotten tomatoes today rofl

edit: two suspects were detained by the police

Will the two malicious wacko's pelting the embassy with three tomatoes and splasing a can of tomato juice on the wall spell doom for the quickly deteriorating Polish-Russian relations? What secret order was received by GROM and who is the man cowering under the table in Russian Presidential Office? To find out that and more, stay tuned to mp.net...

[Herrmannek]

Just scaned through cnn newsflash:
Experts agree: Tomatos are dead or alive.

[mack pl]

and who is the man cowering under the table in Russian Presidential Office?


:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[nagant_m44]

Who gave the world vodka?? It certainly wasnt you! ;)

The jury is still out on this one. But who cares, Poles and Russians have way more similarities than differences, we both could have very well invented vodka and the fact the both our nations appreciate it more than anybody else just supports that theory.

they think were just a third world country with nukes. We should have sent Spetznas in to assasinate Walesa when we had the chance ;)

[mack pl]

Who gave the world vodka?? It certainly wasnt you! ;)

The jury is still out on this one. But who cares, Poles and Russians have way more similarities than differences, we both could have very well invented vodka and the fact the both our nations appreciate it more than anybody else just supports that theory.

they think were just a third world country with nukes.

who told you that? :lol:


We should have sent Spetznas in to assasinate Walesa when we had the chance ;)

:lol: :petting:

[nagant_m44]

Who gave the world vodka?? It certainly wasnt you! ;)

The jury is still out on this one. But who cares, Poles and Russians have way more similarities than differences, we both could have very well invented vodka and the fact the both our nations appreciate it more than anybody else just supports that theory.

they think were just a third world country with nukes.

who told you that? :lol:


We should have sent Spetznas in to assasinate Walesa when we had the chance ;)

:lol: :petting:

hmm i wonder ;)

[mack pl]

:oops:

[Herrmannek]

hey you are 3rd country with nukes on at least 95% of your teritory :)

[Igor01]

they think were just a third world country with nukes. We should have sent Spetznas in to assasinate Walesa when we had the chance ;)

We are most certainly not an Upper Volta with nukes! I think we are more like savage orks threatening the worlds of men (New Europe) and Elfs (Old Europe and North America) since the time immemorial, but luckily Poland is there to guard the frontiers of civilization from the primitives of the East...

And why take out Walesa, if we had to take out every anti-Mordor personality in Poland they'd be left only with Jaruzelsky who doesn't strike me as a vodka lover and as such would not be accepted as a leader by any red-blooded goloubki-munching Pole :D

[nagant_m44]

they think were just a third world country with nukes. We should have sent Spetznas in to assasinate Walesa when we had the chance ;)

We are most certainly not an Upper Volta with nukes! I think we are more like savage orks threatening the worlds of men (New Europe) and Elfs (Old Europe and North America) since the time immemorial, but luckily Poland is there to guard the frontiers of civilization from the primitives of the East...

And why take out Walesa, if we had to take out every anti-Mordor personality in Poland they'd be left only with Jaruzelsky who doesn't strike me as a vodka lover and as such would not be accepted as a leader by any red-blooded goloubki-munching Pole :D

i see someone here plays dungeons and dragons ;)

[VISTREL]

i thought it was Warcraft ( I don't like neither one of them)

[Drunkensquid]

And on that day the polish trolls celebrated.
Oh well, some one will beat up some polish kids in Russia, in fact the whole thing might be in process as we speak.
On a more serious note : I hope someone breaks your teeth, even patraily, then you will understand that its no laughing matter and a handicap for life.

that's been happening for years. Hundreds of foreigners get robbed and beaten up in moscow and st petersburg yearly and interestingly it doesn't make the news. I personally know someone who travels to moscow every so often to phuck, he is a funny rich kid, he has to hire a bodyguard, so he doesn't get attacked on the streets.(he is not white)