pic-request -> Chest Rig, pouch configuration suggestion

[kaiser]

I want to load 12-18 M4 mags on chest rig, as well as 2-4 M9 mags, some accessories pouches, please give me some suggestions for configuration, and if possible, please post some photos for reference, Thank you!

[Howie Kaluha]

HSG Denali. You can fit AT LEAST 15 M4 mags in this beast, as many pistol mags as you've noted, it has............ugh, check it out here...........

http://www.optactical.com/hispgeinde.html

by the way, you can go with the cheaper one, the Silverthrone.

And I have a Denali, so if you want pics or more feedback on it, feel free to PM me :D

[Chet Mystery]

I run 12 M4 mags on my BHI Commando rig, I use 4 Tactical Tailor singles with BHI doubles on top. I then have my main utility pouch, radio pouch, and grenade pouch. You could add pouches for your pistol mags on the bib area, or as I do, wear a belt with the rig and keep pistol mags, first aid kit, and other stuff there.

http://www.08eu.com/d_man/misc/CCH1.jpg

[dacanadianbomb]

12-18 mags ?

Whatcha gonna be doing with it, cus that'll define more what you might want and what not.

It also depends whether you need protection or not.If you dont need protection the Denali / Warlord / Silverthrone are surely a good piece of gear. Maybe look at a Essential tactical-Boar, TT MAV, a RACK ( from multiple producers ) and then mount whatever you need on them.

A TT Mav with two EGL nine packers would already fulfill your ammo needs and prolly leave you with enough space.

If you need armour though you might wanna look at a Wasatch , a Eagle CIRAS, Paraclete RAV , Blackawk plate carrier or a DBT carrier, possibly a IBA style vest .Add plates and badda boom bada bing.

[Silent 6]

12-18 mags for an M4....do you want to be able to bend over and/or put your arms down?

Commando Chic is in, but be practical.

If this is for actual combat in Iraq/Afghanistan...Good luck and stay safe. Check in with the old hands in the unit, who've BTDT (got T-shirt too) and see what they suggest.

If this is for AirSoft....c'mon do you really need that much gear?

[kaiser]

HSG Denali. You can fit AT LEAST 15 M4 mags in this beast, as many pistol mags as you've noted, it has............ugh, check it out here...........

http://www.optactical.com/hispgeinde.html

by the way, you can go with the cheaper one, the Silverthrone.

And I have a Denali, so if you want pics or more feedback on it, feel free to PM me :D

Thank you for your help, but Denali, even Silverthrone is two "big" for me, I'm wearing CWU-27/P in 38S size, so that's not possible for me to use the Denali and Silverthrone...

Wasathi is better, but I don't like the closer strap of the magazine pouches, even DA pouch use the same type of strap, but I can just leave it open because it will fit 1 mag, but Wasathi can put two mags inside and will let the mag come out if I do not sceure the strap, I try it before, so that's why I'm making a decision between Eagle CIRAS or Plate Carrier with Cummerbund...but I think CIRAS is too big for me also...I like Diamondback Fast Attack Special Operations Ballistic Plate Carrier very much, but the capacity is not enough for me...

Thank you all of you very much!

Please give me more opinion if possible...

[BiZ]

12-18 mags on a chest rig?

Bloody hell....... I take it this isn't for real and it's just airsoft etc? You'd never be able to move........let alone leppard crawl.......either that or you're Arnie himself. ;)

[PrincessRAR]

even mr "get to the chopper" would struggle!

that is wayyy to much on a vest.

max would be 4 rows of 3 mags, and then 9mm above or below that.

my chest rig at the moment (and take heed you kit whores becuase this is the pinta and the santa maria) was a custom made back that had a dump pouch on the back.

on the front is my old M83. two saddle bags to the sides - each with an NVG pouch ontop, and two other M83 pouches on the sides. on the front is 4 2 mag styer pouches off the M83. Its the ultimate ive ever worn - top qual kit, with a little bit of muck around.

[California Joe]

I use this thing called a "possibles bag" it has extra round balls and flints and maybe a sammich.

[RecceGuy]

Just been looking at the link from above...man you Americans have to pay way too much for your gear. And from what I see of it, it's nothing special.

[PrincessRAR]

i must say i just had a look - we can get custom made as per your request with whatever you want on the vest for $200 AUD. pre made are like $150.

[FozzieBear]

Just been looking at the link from above...man you Americans have to pay way too much for your gear. And from what I see of it, it's nothing special.we'll stick with the old PLCE eh ;) hahah

[Catch22]

Well I've managed to fit some 30 Stanag mags into Arktis 1724 p-) Not a comfy option anyway, I'd rather use bag.

[RecceGuy]

Just been looking at the link from above...man you Americans have to pay way too much for your gear. And from what I see of it, it's nothing special.we'll stick with the old PLCE eh ;) hahah

Nothin much wrong with PLCE if you have it put together right. I find it good for general work but wore an assault vest in Iraq 'cos I operated from Wolf's most of the time.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ok heres my limited input.

If this is for Iraq your going to have to consider, will you be in a vehicle at any point? 12-18 mags would be almost impossible to react/move quickly in a vehicle, and the wieght would definately put you center of gravity way forward. If you really want a chest rig, go buy a splav m23 and attach in a webbelt and throw a couple double magazine pouches at your hips. Even better if you have a webbelt and a yolk, as you could hook it into the vest to prevent "rig-slide".

But if your an airsofter, when you get it send me a pic of you doing push ups in it p-)

[PrincessRAR]

wont be able to his beanpoles would snap

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

wont be able to his beanpoles would snap

rofl that was good

I shouldnt talk though, because if I was carrying 18 armalite mags id be walking funny :lol:

[Studdermonkey]

Thank you for your help, but Denali, even Silverthrone is two "big" for me, I'm wearing CWU-27/P in 38S size, so that's not possible for me to use the Denali and Silverthrone...



Please tell me you're either 12 years old, or bilingual.

If you want 12-18 mags, that's major overkill. What I would ever use maximum is 8 mags, and one in the magwell. I'm selling the Wasatch because that, too, is a bit overkill (aside from the change in size when you use 7 or so mags). And if you're playing airsoft, my guess is you're one of the goofs that use standard '60rd' mags, which is equal to 2 mags in the 'real world' anyways. When I'm airsofting (I do a bit of both, RS and Airsoft), I hate using anything besides the STAR 30rd mags. It's just something between using the 30's in RS and switching to 60's in Airsoft, it annoys me. And, I use 8 of those, with one in the magwell. I've never ran out before. I have a Boar on the way, an Eagle Plate Carrier, and my own rig I made. I'll have 6 in each of those, with 2 external mag pouches. There will never, ever be a need for more than 8 mags, except if you're too triggerhappy.. which, is a bad thing.

[Hydro]

Just been looking at the link from above...man you Americans have to pay way too much for your gear. And from what I see of it, it's nothing special.we'll stick with the old PLCE eh ;) hahah


You can fit 12 magazines into basic PLCE. It's just that it's a bitch to get the mags from the pouches on the right and you haven't got anywhere to put your grenades.

We were told that you only put your mags in the left pouches, and the right hand ones were for your grenades (at least on ex, I was never deployed). On ops you just used every single bit of spare space you could find.

[PrincessRAR]

when you consider how much one magazine weighs full, and now put that strain on your back becuase its a chest rig - your begging for injury, youve got nothing to counterbalance it

[Hydro]

when you consider how much one magazine weighs full, and now put that strain on your back becuase its a chest rig - your begging for injury, youve got nothing to counterbalance it

Implications of going ****e too? Those rigs look like hell for the ****e position...

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

when you consider how much one magazine weighs full, and now put that strain on your back becuase its a chest rig - your begging for injury, youve got nothing to counterbalance it

Implications of going ****e too? Those rigs look like hell for the ****e position...

Even better, try taking a magazine out while laying ****e ;) :lol:

[oldsoak]

Grab an Arktis vest - they are pretty realistic when it comes to space for magazines etc.
Its all well and good having lots of firepower, but you have to be able to duck, dive and run like f**k carrying it, water and body armour.

www.arktisusa.com
www.artktis.co.uk

[Erik2a4]

I used an SDS Rack over IBA during the first go-around. I've since replaced it with a Wasatch (it helps to have friends in Jacksonville) :lol:

I've never gone through anything more than two mags at a single time, and I think that 8-10 mags on the vest/rig/webbing is about right.

However, I have heard of guys who have gone through more, and re-reading some of the comments from Mog and other places...well, you're usually never wrong carrying more ammo. Keep it in your Assault Pack or equivilent. Besides, it helps with ammo distribution along the line anyway.

Besides, if you go supressive during an ambush, that's 1-3 mags gone right there. Basic load can go quick if you don't watch it.

But weight is weight, and I'd be more concerned about having the gunners well stocked. They're going to blow through their basic load faster than anyone else...

The Paras and RM's I worked with seem to have a friend in Arktis. Are they selling their items in US camo, tan or OD now?

[RecceGuy]

Yes Arktis now do their kit in most of the major cam styles. Again it's a little on the expensive side. I use a webtex assault vest myself, cost about £80. Not sure what that is in $.

[PrincessRAR]

when you consider how much one magazine weighs full, and now put that strain on your back becuase its a chest rig - your begging for injury, youve got nothing to counterbalance it

Implications of going ****e too? Those rigs look like hell for the ****e position...

Even better, try taking a magazine out while laying ****e ;) :lol:

thats why chest rigs arent meant for close country fighting, they are purely ment for mounted infantry (or drivers), and for CQB operations in MOOCW situations.

arktis is definately not the **** - their stuff is sub standard if you ask me.

[oldsoak]

Arktis have had a few Friday afternoon jobs , but the NL rig I use is pretty well made.

[BiZ]

I use this thing called a "possibles bag" it has extra round balls and flints and maybe a sammich.

:D Always need two sammiches Joe, one is just never enough...


If you want 12-18 mags, that's major overkill.
If he plans on doing that much firing he's either a piss-poor shot or he needs to re-think the platform he's going to be using.....enough rounds for section support and then some with 18 mags. ;)

[eggroll]

Actually you
can carry 30 M4 mags in bombed out Denali with the zip panel.

[Howie Kaluha]

Actually you
can carry 30 M4 mags in bombed out Denali with the zip panel.

Yeah, I figured that was possible p-)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

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Configured in airsoft configuration of course.

In his words....


Only holds 24 mags + 2 C9 boxs + 2 pistol mags.

:lol: Beat that!

PrincessRAR

thats why chest rigs arent meant for close country fighting, they are purely ment for mounted infantry (or drivers), and for CQB operations in MOOCW situations.


Couldnt agree more.

[PrincessRAR]

shucks thanks ;)

[FozzieBear]

Yes Arktis now do their kit in most of the major cam styles. Again it's a little on the expensive side. I use a webtex assault vest myself, cost about £80. Not sure what that is in $. how is the webtex vest? i heard they werent all that good and the threads come out pretty easily ;) anyway dont you boys get issued the s2000 combat vest? :P

[Royal]

anyway dont you boys get issued the s2000 combat vest? :P

No such thing.

It is (& has been since '93 or there abouts) the Waistcoat Man's Gen Ops. Great bit of kit apart from the mag pouches (a bitch to get mags back into, especially when wearing CBA) and the big rear utility pouches (too far back and interfere with your daysac/bergan, especially if you have metal mugs in them). It's also a bitch to vent heat from, when it's hot and humid (assuming you're not in CBA anyway).

I went back to my old Arktis 42 pattern chest rig most of the time in Iraq (with a Camelbak for going foxtrot). A grab bag will hold any link and trauma kit you need.

"bullets and water is all that you need to take to the slaughter"

[oldsoak]

Comment heard from a DS to a young man who had more magazines than sense ( good lad, but only a 1 watt bulb ) while prepping for OBUA.
"Dont try to win the war by yourself, Smith - spread 'em out ".
This bloke had 18 mags, rest of us had 6 ( normal issued only 4, but we raped the armoury this time ). He wasnt the LSW gunner either. He'd somehow aquired the issue for two other bods who got pulled at the last minute. He'd mags sprouting out of him like feathers. The idea had been we took 5 mags each, dropped the 6th off by the LSW and carried 5x20 round boxes each individuals daysacks for re-supp plus smoke.

[RecceGuy]

anyway dont you boys get issued the s2000 combat vest? :P

No such thing.

It is (& has been since '93 or there abouts) the Waistcoat Man's Gen Ops. Great bit of kit apart from the mag pouches (a bitch to get mags back into, especially when wearing CBA) and the big rear utility pouches (too far back and interfere with your daysac/bergan, especially if you have metal mugs in them). It's also a bitch to vent heat from, when it's hot and humid (assuming you're not in CBA anyway).

I went back to my old Arktis 42 pattern chest rig most of the time in Iraq (with a Camelbak for going foxtrot). A grab bag will hold any link and trauma kit you need.

"bullets and water is all that you need to take to the slaughter"

For about 2 years now we've been issued the Armoured Corps survival vest. Carries 4 mags, emergency rations, survival kit, first aid kit and various bits n bobs and has a 2 litre camelback. It's also the cover for your CBA, not the most brilliant bit of kit but like already said bullets and water is all you need to take to the party. I'll try and dig a picture of it out.

[RecceGuy]

Yes Arktis now do their kit in most of the major cam styles. Again it's a little on the expensive side. I use a webtex assault vest myself, cost about £80. Not sure what that is in $. how is the webtex vest? i heard they werent all that good and the threads come out pretty easily ;) anyway dont you boys get issued the s2000 combat vest? :P

My vest is holding up ok, it did an Iraq tour and has seen a lot of use on the plain. Had to mod the mag pouches 'cos they had these f**king stupid separators in them, getting mags in was a bitch. Still rely on the old Brecon pouch :lol:

[TacoDelRio]

I've got a BHI rig, and at first it held 20 AR mags, comfortably. I climbed up a 5,000ft ridge with it. Yeah, it's heavier than a LBE. Takes awhile.

I now have 12 mags in mine. Less is more in this case. Works comfortably. Thing is, with how I "play", going ****e with more than 2 magazines stacked thick on my chest, I become a target. Something about lowcrawling when there's less than 18 inches of cover nearby.... ;)

You know what you want. I had a ton of mags, and damn, I would've lasted a long time (theoretically) in a contact.

If you want pictures, send me a PM, I've got them somewhere.

Have fun.

[tracker6]

Granted you can only have too much ammo when your drowning or on fire, chest rigs worn for long amounts of time in uncomfortable positions make you hurt. My rig, which is used for work and carries my spare .223 ammo, has two double mag holders, a uitility pouch, two small grenade pouches (not used for grenades), a radio holder, a first aid pouch, and a triple pistol mag pouch. Even it can get heavy if I am moving over rough terrain for an extended time.

I do not know what you are wearing yours for, but chest rigs are not always the best solution. Remember that if you wore one twelve years ago, many people who thought they knew the military well would make fun of you because it wasn't LBE gear.

Regards

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

I know this doesn't apply to airsoft, but is the old "The Machine Gun Is 75% of your section's firepower" thing not true anymore? I almost always seem to carry more ammo in 200 rd drums than mags, and not even counting the 7.62 belts and rockets. The mags are just there to keep you alive, the MG is what's going to kill the enemy, no?

[sniper762nl]

I have 6 mags in my OPS-vest and 2 on the rifle, taped together with a wedge between ´em.

Spare ammo CAN be carried in the grab bag. Also have Arktis 1727 available for on my left thigh, but I have never seen the need to use it.

There´s 17 rounds of 9mm in my Glock, with an extra 17 in the spare mag.

If you need more than this loadout, IMHO your are doing something SERIOUSLY WRONG!

Stefan out

[Erik2a4]

I know this doesn't apply to airsoft, but is the old "The Machine Gun Is 75% of your section's firepower" thing not true anymore? I almost always seem to carry more ammo in 200 rd drums than mags, and not even counting the 7.62 belts and rockets. The mags are just there to keep you alive, the MG is what's going to kill the enemy, no?

It's a reaction to the new emphasis on MOUT/FIBUA scenarios we are encountering in real life and duplicating in training. Most of the engagements in that type of scenario seem to be inside buildings...throw COBs in that environ, and you have a real sticky shoot/no-shoot dilemma where you need as much precision fire as possible.

MGs still provide the firepower, but in most cases there isn't a need for a continuous FPF...

[PrincessRAR]

I know this doesn't apply to airsoft, but is the old "The Machine Gun Is 75% of your section's firepower" thing not true anymore? I almost always seem to carry more ammo in 200 rd drums than mags, and not even counting the 7.62 belts and rockets. The mags are just there to keep you alive, the MG is what's going to kill the enemy, no?

i dont know about 75%. we used to have a 7.62 mag58 in each section even back to the m60 in nam, but now its two minimis 5.56 to a section.

so yes in a contact they are pouring rounds downrange, but its supressive fire - the accurate fire is coming from the scouts, and the secco and no1 rifle and 2ic whilst everyone else is pushing up, so yeah they are a big part but not 75%

[PrincessRAR]

I have 6 mags in my OPS-vest and 2 on the rifle, taped together with a wedge between ´em.

Spare ammo CAN be carried in the grab bag. Also have Arktis 1727 available for on my left thigh, but I have never seen the need to use it.

There´s 17 rounds of 9mm in my Glock, with an extra 17 in the spare mag.

If you need more than this loadout, IMHO your are doing something SERIOUSLY WRONG!

Stefan out

that isnt to much ammo - and pistol ammo counts for nothing, you wouldnt be using a pistol on operation much - or at all unless something is wrong.

6 mags is bare minimum, as i said if you have a SADF vest in timor you would be carrying the 10 mags they could hold.

[percell_086]

I don't wear a chest-rig but the BHI LBE harness and I've 7 30-round M1carbine mags in it + a double 15-round on my carbine. If I want spare ammo, I wear a 3-day pack.
18 mags is just wrong.



Percell

[sniper762nl]

that isnt to much ammo - and pistol ammo counts for nothing, you wouldnt be using a pistol on operation much - or at all unless something is wrong.

6 mags is bare minimum, as i said if you have a SADF vest in timor you would be carrying the 10 mags they could hold.

IMO, you need 1, max 2, mags to break contact (peel away). Then you form a base of fire and either withdraw further or get up and over with 6 or 7 mags left. That should be enough..

After that, there's time to sort out your gear.

Stefan out

[PrincessRAR]

break contacts are only associated with recon teams, and in that case you break contact for however long it takes - it took us 8 mags one day to cover 500m

a normal infantry section, platoon, coy, brig. right up conduct fighting withdrawls, which depending on the size of the group becomes a cluster **** becuase there so smany guys and they are never trained in it so they are proficient. even a section si always caught ****ing around. in a brigade withdrawl (something gone very wrong) even down to platoon, they take awhile and you normally would use more then 10 mags, so your even looking at a resup if your the first to the RV>

as for time to sort gear - your looking at a fair time later, it would be packs on and ****ing bail as quick as harry, only water and ammo would be looked at by the 2ic at the fall back area.

[digrar]

IMO, you need 1, max 2, mags to break contact (peel away).

I'd disagree witha that. Depending on the ground the break can take a lot more than one or two mags.
I also preferred to withdraw rather than retreat. :P

[sniper762nl]

@Digrar: Edited to match your preferences, happy now? ;)

@PrincessRAR: Yes, what I meant is indeed more geared towards recce-patrols. 4 or 8 man team to be exact, with the use of smoke to cover your withdrawal. And I do agree that is´t very much terrain dependent, but in woody or hilly terrain it´s quite ok.

6 mags is the max my OPS-vest will take anyway, and with the enourmous ****LOAD of gear that´s in the other pockets, the vest is already heavy as a m*therf*cker... :| More ammo therefore would mean less kit, and there´s nothing in there that I don´t need.

With this limitation, fire disipline is a neccesity, not a luxury... ;)

Stefan out