IDF funky photos

[Javehn]

Couple of photos from IDF , this time on more personal side. The photos are from my battalion .

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Sport day

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My company inside Araphat Mukata compound in Beith Lechem . He shure have some nice documents in there , that "peace loving" guy .

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My company Tank repair-guys .

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End of Brigade exersize .


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Near Tul Karem city .

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Logo of my company.

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Weekly tank maintanence.

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One of the outpost on northern border .

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Don't drink and drive .

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"Anexation" of abandoned T55 by one of companies .

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Sometimes we had a snow . Training base .

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My company.

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Just pretty picture .

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The entrance to the barracks .

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That's all for now . I think more will come later .

[Midav]

woot Cool pics!!

[Skaman]

Nice photos.

[mustamato]

Who had abandoned that T-55?

[Javehn]

Surians abandoned it .. I have more pictures , if i would just get my internet work , you would see more of them .

[kinghk]

Nice pics.

[UkrainianAmerican]

[quote="Javehn"]Couple of photos from IDF , this time on more personal side. The photos are from my battalion .

http://www.hevre.co.il/images/photos/425635_52452.JPG
Sport day

WHO WEARS SHORT SHORTS

[Red]

i have noticed in IDF photos that the units are segregated according to race.Is it that you guys cant stand one another?dont get me wrong,i am just curious

[Javehn]

No problem . That's false observation , however . Every unit in IDF are very mixed by different types of people , from different economical status , to different origin land , and not jews even . We stand each other very good , i am not shure how you made such an observation . Many soldiers in IDF are druzes , cherkess , beduines , and even some muslim arabs , and i can tell you for shure that they can be considered amongst the best soldiers .

[Red]

thanks for the reply no disrespect intended

[Javehn]

thanks for the reply no disrespect intended

No , no problem, good question .
I have couple of photos taken inside palestinian school , those pictures can clear a lot of things to some people , to see they "study matterial " . Too bad i can upload them . But i found some pictures of my first battalion , and i will post them .I hope we could debate them more or less proffessionaly after the last days flame wars.


WHO WEARS SPORT SHORTS

Sexy muscullant machos mean green fighting machines , that have nothing to hide . :D
And it's also was like 30+ C degrees out there in that day ...

[UkrainianAmerican]

thanks for the reply no disrespect intended

No , no problem, good question .
I have couple of photos taken inside palestinian school , those pictures can clear a lot of things to some people , to see they "study matterial " . Too bad i can upload them . But i found some pictures of my first battalion , and i will post them .I hope we could debate them more or less proffessionaly after the last days flame wars.


WHO WEARS SPORT SHORTS

Sexy muscullant machos mean green fighting machines , that have nothing to hide . :D
And it's also was like 30+ C degrees out there in that day ...
rofl
gotcha :D

[One?]

i have noticed in IDF photos that the units are segregated according to race.Is it that you guys cant stand one another?dont get me wrong,i am just curious

@Javehn

Don't Druze have their own unit?

Also I thought only bedouins and druze are allowed to join the IDF (not muslims).

Another question are black jews considered to be second class?

[AFG]

bump nice pics

[OnTheRocks]

Does the IDF issue urban cammo? From what I've seen (not much prolly ;) ) I have only seen the greens.

[ExtraT]

Don't Druze have their own unit?


Druze have one small elite unit of their own, the rest serve in normal units.



Also I thought only bedouins and druze are allowed to join the IDF (not muslims).


FYI, Beduins are muslims. Also, there are some Israeli Arabs who volunteer to serve. Additionally, Cherkess (who are also muslims) also serve.



Another question are black jews considered to be second class?

Always looking for racism in Israel, eh? No, black jews are not concidered second class. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

[ExtraT]

Does the IDF issue urban cammo? From what I've seen (not much prolly ;) ) I have only seen the greens.

There are no camo uniforms in Israeli army. Everybody is issued olive green, and camoflage is accomplished by other means (a special 2 sided camoflage mesh). Israel has lots of different terrain types cpacked into a very small territory. Issueing a camo unifrom would be unpractical.

For more about this (and other), see here:

http://www.isayeret.com/camo/guide.htm

[One?]

Don't Druze have their own unit?


Druze have one small elite unit of their own, the rest serve in normal units.



Also I thought only bedouins and druze are allowed to join the IDF (not muslims).


FYI, Beduins are muslims. Also, there are some Israeli Arabs who volunteer to serve. Additionally, Cherkess (who are also muslims) also serve.



Another question are black jews considered to be second class?

Always looking for racism in Israel, eh? No, black jews are not concidered second class. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

Beduions live inside the terrorities yet they still get recruited. They are muslims but have their own culture and style of living.

As for the black jews I wasn't trying to be racist I was just trying to clarify something. I always hear that black jews from ethopia are considered to be second class. Why would people say that though?

[ExtraT]

Beduions live inside the terrorities yet they still get recruited.


Since when is Negev part of the "territories"?
And about recruiting - they are not. The Beduin trackers mostly serve as professional soldiers.



I always hear that black jews from ethopia are considered to be second class. Why would people say that though?

It's a misunderstanding. These people arrived from an EXTREMELY underdeveloped country, and as such their immigration is tougher than usual. There are special government programs to help them adapt (for example, they have very favorable conditions for loans and mortgages), but still it's quite tough. There is no racial discrimination, though.

[One?]

Doesn't the idf recruit bedouins from inside the territories? not negev etc... palestinian side.

[ExtraT]

Doesn't the idf recruit bedouins from inside the territories? not negev etc... palestinian side.

Eh.. And how do you picture signing up people who AREN'T CITIZENS? :lol:

[Javehn]

Israeli beduines getting recruited from Israeli desert of Negev , in south part of the country . They serve mostly as trackers . Several Muslim Arabs are volunteer to the IDF , and getting variety of different roles .

Druzes have couple of "they own" units , just to make them comfortable to fight with each other , and preserve they legacy ( Like the ortodox jewish battalion of Netsah Yehuda , i bellieve to that reffered someone that asked question above ), sence many soldiers have family legacy in the battalion . Other druzes are scattered in different roles, any many fighters you can find in border patrol police (MAGAV) . Not while ago first Druzi entered the ranks of prestige S'13 . They are considered to be a top soldiers . They also have they own specops battalion .
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The insignia of Druz Spec battalion .

As to Ethiopian jews , just like i said , all different members of jewish communities are serving together in IDF . That's a good way to dispose differrences inside the communities .
The Jewish ortodox battalion of Nezah Yehuda was formed to allow ortodox jews (they don't have to serve , according to the law) , that want to volunteer , but yet keep all they tradittions , something that can be hardly done for them in regular battalions .

IDF cannot conscript someone from inside the territories , sence he doesn't considered to be Israeli citizen . There are several communities that are Israeli civilians , but don't have to get enlisted to army . If they want to volunteer , they do that , and get enlisted .

[One?]

thanks for the clarification. I thought bedious from all over the place are welcomed. Not only inside israel.

[Falco]

Cool pictures woot

This one makes me think of a movie but I can't but my finger on the title
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[Javehn]

Ok , here you got another couple of pictures i found . That was my first battalion i served in .

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Tanker assigned to infantry job.

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Pretty funny picture .

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Isn't that look nasty ? Technical service can't bellieve his eyes .

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New guys in company after "traditional" exeptance , called "Zubor" in hebrew .

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Now that's a proccess of "Zubor" . It's brohibited those days , but many combat units continue to do it undercover , to new members .

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Pop-Up Smoke fired .

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In Lebanon , puting down trees to get better LOS .

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Camoflaged tank , inside Lebanon .

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Inside an outpost , on Lebanon border .

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Battalion asist company , mortars .


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Mortar training .

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2 Typical tankers making vushi-vushi .


That's it then , for now .

[mustamato]

Ah Javehn, explain how this Zubor is done. I guess it´s about humiliating the news guys?

[AirZone]

vushi vushi rofl

[Javehn]

Holly **** . One of the guys that killed 3 days ago in Erez checkpost was from my highscool . That's allready the third one from my highscool .

"Zubor" is exeptance of new soldiers to the unit , or when officer /enlisted geting a rank . It's involving also some humiliating proccess , yes . It was taken out law 8 years ago , but some combat units still perform it in "quiet" , in much more softer form . Many new soldiers except that ritual with a laugh , it's a part of tradittion . I myself haven't had one , sence my unit was very strict on that manner .
In navy units the soldier getting toasted from the board , getting spilled on some mixture of technical oils and greases , and different type of food . In tanker units it's more or less the same .

[Operation Ivy]

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Thats gonna be fun :(

[UkrainianAmerican]

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New guys in company after "traditional" exeptance , called "Zubor" in hebrew .


The guy with the russian hat, is it u javehn? :lol:

[Javehn]

Hell no !! I left that battalion after i ended advanced training there .I did it with the 2 right guys , and if i would stay in that battalion , i would get that dirty also ...

[UkrainianAmerican]

O and whatsup with the mujahaddeen guy in te\\kafiya?
rofl rofl rofl

[Operation Ivy]

I did it with the 2 right guys

;)

[Javehn]

I did it with the 2 right guys

;)

:( ****

I am totally hetero . Honestly .

[Operation Ivy]

We'll still love ya :hug: :D

[TALOS]

Awesome pics Javhen, thx for sharing.
I appreciate all the questions people are asking here also as I am learning lots by just perussing :)

[Javehn]

Awesome pics Javhen, thx for sharing.
I appreciate all the questions people are asking here also as I am learning lots by just perussing :)

Oh , thank you,thank you indeed :) . I am just glad we can share some info in here , without the regular smashing and bashing . After all , it's "militaryphotos" , no ?

[One?]

Zubor sure does mean something else in arabic ;)

nice pics (what outpost was that?)

[ExtraT]

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Thats gonna be fun :(

The writing on the boards sais "When will it end??"

[Undo]

I have to say that this has been an excellent thread. I really appreciate how mature everyone has kept things. Great photos and information. I wish things were always like this. Even One is in here asking good questions and having a good discussion (no offense, just happy no one is antagonizing anybody as often happens with our Isreali friends).

I would like to know what a Druze is, exactly. I remember hearing a lot about them in Lebanon in the 80's, but I don't know what one is.

[One?]

I have to say that this has been an excellent thread. I really appreciate how mature everyone has kept things. Great photos and information. I wish things were always like this. Even One is in here asking good questions and having a good discussion (no offense, just happy no one is antagonizing anybody as often happens with our Isreali friends).

I would like to know what a Druze is, exactly. I remember hearing a lot about them in Lebanon in the 80's, but I don't know what one is.

I love IDF gear and equipment. And I only bitch when topics start about israel/palestine.

Anyways to answer your question, druze is supposed to be a sect of Islam (but the religion itself goes against teachings of islam, which states that there is no god but god himself). You will not know anything about "druze" unless you are a druze. And even if you are you will only know when you turn 40. Its very secretive, you can find limited information on the internet. What I know is that they believe that 5 things unify a god (thats why they have the star).

[Javehn]

Zubor sure does mean something else in arabic ;)

nice pics (what outpost was that?)


About the "Zubor" , yes , indeed . ;) That's why we call it like that .

About the outpost , it's called "D'laat" outpost , i made a little mistake there , and wrote that the outpost is on the Lebanon border . The outpost was inside the south Lebanon .
It was one of the most "hotest" outposts in the sector . He was penetrated in mid 90's (94) by Hisballah fighters , that penetrated it under "rain" of mortars . They entered inside the outpost , fired a little , throw couple grenades , and got the ____ out of there , not before they puting they flag on the outpost batteries . All the deed was captured by Hisballah cameraman .



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[StarvingStudent47]

I would like to know what a Druze is, exactly. I remember hearing a lot about them in Lebanon in the 80's, but I don't know what one is.

LOL Reminds me of this Jordanian guy I once knew. He was very adamant about the fact that he was a "Circassian" and not an "Arab." To this day, I still don't understand what the difference is between the two, I just know that Circassians don't like to be called Arabs ;)

[Javehn]

About the Circassian (or cherkess ) : They are Soni muslims , however they are not arabs . They Kavkazians , that lived near the Kuban river . In 19 century the Armies of Russian Tzar swapped the land of Kavkaz , and many cherkess run away from Kavkaz . They got exepted by Authoman Sultan , and he "stationed" them inside Israel , Lebanon , and Suria i think , as a "de facto" against Beduin settlement in those territories .

A little article a found on the net , conserning IDF and minorities . It's very outdated article (Dec 88 ! ) , but it's short and have more or less good background :



Minorities in the IDF

Christian and Muslim Arabs were exempted from obligatory service and, although they could volunteer, were often screened out by security checks. Beginning in 1987, however, the IDF made efforts to boost recruitment of Christian Arabs and beduins. It was believed that this policy portended the ultimate introduction of compulsory service in these two communities, although there was certain to be resistance by both the IDF and the minority communities. As of 1988, Israel's Druze and Muslim Circassian minorities were subject to conscription (see Minority Groups , ch. 2).

In 1956 Druze leaders, feeling that being exempted from military service denied them full rights of citizenship, requested that their constituency be drafted. During the 1980s, however, resentment grew within the Druze community because they were drafted while other Arabs were exempt. In 1987 the IDF appointed its first Druze general.

Minorities tended to serve in one of several special units: the Minorities Unit, also known as Unit 300; the Druze Reconnaissance Unit; and the Trackers Unit, which comprised mostly beduins. In 1982 the IDF general staff decided to integrate the armed forces by opening up other units to minorities, while placing some Jewish conscripts in the Minorities Unit. In 1988 the intelligence corps and the air force remained closed to minorities.



If you have more questions , i will be happy to answer to them .

[citizen-k]

This outpost (dlaat in hebrew) is known to most of you by the name of "Tel-Dabsha", yeah yeah...thats the place where the Hizbullah took a photo with their flag ontop of it. (I remmeber that day - many heads were lost that day in the IDF north command)

The most interesting part about the Druz is that they don't have a homeland and they don't want/need a state of their own - whey are loyal to the country they live in. (Actually like Jews before the state of Israel was born)
There for there are Druz in the IDF, Syrian army and every other country you can find Druz.

[ArmoredDov_D9]

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Thats gonna be fun :(

The writing on the boards sais "When will it end??"

In the end, this tank was rescued by a D9 bulldozer. The D9 cleared the terrain near the tank and then pulled it out.


And a note for minorities in the IDF:
The are serveral high-ranking officers, the best known of them is Brigadier General (Aluf Mishne) Imad Fares - the celebrated commander of the Givati Infantry Brigade.

[One?]

This outpost (dlaat in hebrew) is known to most of you by the name of "Tel-Dabsha", yeah yeah...thats the place where the Hizbullah took a photo with their flag ontop of it. (I remmeber that day - many heads were lost that day in the IDF north command)


here's the video. They didnt seem to infiltrate, just stayed at the perimeter.

http://www.moqawama.tv/gallery/clip/opp/debche.rm

[Javehn]

You shure it's called Tel Dabshe ? Try to search Ali Taher ridge , not Tel Dabshe . I think it's not that outpost .
I would try to find the story over the net .
Nice site , by the way , it twisting a lot of info , but have a lot of information also .

What kills me , that Palestinians have no one dissent footage of they action , unlike Hisballah fighters . I have been looking for some deasent footage , and haven't found any .

This one is probably the most close as someone can call action footage :
http://www.moqawama.tv/gallery/clip/intifada/flash5.rm
http://www.moqawama.tv/gallery/clip/intifada/flash9.rm

But still , most of it is ****y propaganda , and kids throwing rocks .

[One?]

You shure it's called Tel Dabshe ? Try to search Ali Taher ridge , not Tel Dabshe . I think it's not that outpost .
I would try to find the story over the net .
Nice site , by the way , it twisting a lot of info , but have a lot of information also .

What kills me , that Palestinians have no one dissent footage of they action , unlike Hisballah fighters . I have been looking for some deasent footage , and haven't found any .

This one is probably the most close as someone can call action footage :
http://www.moqawama.tv/gallery/clip/intifada/flash5.rm
http://www.moqawama.tv/gallery/clip/intifada/flash9.rm

But still , most of it is ****y propaganda , and kids throwing rocks .

Palestinians go on missions and never return :roll:

The only thing I've seen on TV were the kasam rockets, and footage of them firing moratrs.

edit:
and there is a movie or two blowing up tanks (or armored vehicles).

Israel doesn't have footage fighting hezbollah either. The only footage I've seen was a unit kidnapping (what they said) were 2 hezbollah members from a mercedes. IDF soldeirs surrounded the car out of no where, less than a minute later the suspects were secured.

[Javehn]

Well , infact and unfortunatly , sometimes they did returned back , and even with success . And IDF only started to camera every action not so while ago , for learning , debriefing , and in case that someone would claim to get false information on the action . But still , they getting used in sertain type of operations , and not on ordenary operations , or patrols .
Some regular units had a IDF spokesman cameraman attached to them , but they started to get killed in action , so i think this idea is stoped today .

[Mr. Nielsen]

Found this picture of another stuck tank. Leopard 1 in trouble.

http://www.milhist.dk/pictures/leopard/100-0099_IMG.jpg

http://www.milhist.dk/pictures/leopard/101-0115_IMG.jpg