Pictures of women in the military from your country

[mustamato]

http://www2.mil.fi/asiointi/julkaisut/varusmieheksi2003/b-64_2.jpg

http://www2.mil.fi/asiointi/julkaisut/varusmieheksi2003/b-65_1.jpg

http://www2.mil.fi/merivoimat/joukot/uudpr/11072003_6.jpg

http://www.ilmatorjunta.fi/lohtaja/itkk_600.jpg

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/karhu01/get2data.php3?id=64

http://www2.mil.fi/harjoitukset/np99/images/0016/1.jpg

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/np02/get2data.php3?id=94

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/np02/get2data.php3?id=58

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/np02/get2data.php3?id=11

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/np02/get2data.php3?id=49

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/np02/get2data.php3?id=22

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/rauhanturvaajat/get2data.php3?id=4

[Armour recon]

Well, I remember many of those girls!
And those guys in porilaisaukio...

[marktigger]

oh god here we go again thought this type of thread was banned

[Uncle Sam]

(music) Get down...Get down...

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/np02/get2data.php3?id=11

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

Are those top pics from Finland or sweden?

[OnTheRocks]

Finland mostly, I think there's only one pic with a swedish girl in it, its the one with the three girls wearing helmets looking into the camera

No offense to any woman GI Jane's out there but I think women should stay off the battlefield and leave it to the men.....

[redhawk_six]

Let's try to keep this one ontopic and not locked.

So, post real pics, not **** like the last one. And Keep It Mature! (I know, this is a lot to ask of some of you, but just do it so this doesn't get locked!)

I'm getting Canadian pics now...

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/080803/IS2003-2572a%20copy.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/040803/IS2003-2227a%20copy.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110502/IS2002-2785a%20copy.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/100402/LH2002-012-092.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/090502/IS2002-6522a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/051402/AP2002-5445.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/061002/HS2002-10034-12.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/111702/IS2002-6167a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/111702/IS2002-6163a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/Miscellaneous/ISD01-1019a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/Miscellaneous/ISD00-2518a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110502/IS2002-1740a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110602/IS2002-6666a.jpg

[redhawk_six]

More from Canada:

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/121603/ET2003-0319-14a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/052303/HS032584d02.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041603/IS2003-2334a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041603/IS2003-2313a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041603/IS2003-2311a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041003/hs034002d42.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/111703/IS2003-8117a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/120403/KA2003-D067D.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/071703/IS2003-2507a%20copy.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/091003/KA2003-A055A.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/051502/IS2002-0093a.jpg

Shall I post more?

[popeye.lee]

go ahead ..baby......... :lol:

[Chris196]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

She needs some coaching.......

[REMOV]

Well, there is only about 500 women in Polish Army...

http://www.kobiety.pl/img/radamw3.jpg
http://www.kobiety.pl/img/radamw2.jpg
In the Navy...

http://www.forum.com.pl/zdjeciatematy/zolnierki003d.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/_woman_WP.jpg
In the Army...

http://www.forum.com.pl/zdjeciatematy/zolnierki004d.jpg
This is very interesting and rare photo. GROM's women squad.

[Ballistic]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

She needs some coaching.......

Heh, I was about to say that. ;)

[mustamato]

http://www.forum.com.pl/zdjeciatematy/zolnierki004d.jpg
This is very interesting and rare photo. GROM's women squad.

Ah polish women, they sure look good... But a female SWAT-team? First time I seen that though. Interesting.

[Roger Rabbit]

seriously i fail to see the attraction of women in the military. The uniforms don't eactly show off figures and having camo creme all over ones face doesnt help either. I'd much prefer to go and perv over women in a nightclub.

[REMOV]

But a female SWAT-team? First time I seen that though. Interesting.Well... GROM it isn't a Police SWAT team but military special unit. And this photo is a little joke. Although women are allowed to serve in this unit and part of their training is similar the men's in fact they usually fulfilled only auxiliary missions.

[marktigger]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/land/stevedore_hr.jpg

[Roger Rabbit]

edit

[mustamato]

@REMOV, yeah but atleast with the equipment they are all SWATted up.

______________________________________

Swedish women in the military:

http://www.varnpliktsnytt.se/artbilder/1395_1.jpg
Caroline Ek, world champion in kick boxing,
for the time being doing military service as
a Combat Vehicle 90 infantry squadleader.

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c4/78/26/abca204e.jpg
Swedish crown princess Victoria has a
little experience with the military, being
royal she gets to do what she want, and
so she wanted some military training

http://www.swedint.mil.se/images/local/20030303_kronprinsessan_etta.jpg
...Victoria as a fresh recruit

http://www.swedint.mil.se/images/local/030318_presstjanst.jpg
Victoria meeting the press

http://www.swedint.mil.se/images/local/030318_viktoria_skadad.jpg
Victoria helping a buddy

http://www.swedint.mil.se/images/local/030318_viktoria2.jpg
... And one happy crown princess warrior

http://www.lumpen.nu/web/bilder/tjejfraga.jpg

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/images/local/annonsbilden_280.jpg
Ad to get more women in to the military

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/tjej/images/local/swedint_mp.jpg

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/tjej/images/local/flkd_ftg.jpg

http://www.aftonbladet.se/kvinna/0211/20/sabrina-129682-229012_368.jpg
Some swedish girl that a newspaper wrote about, she
wasn´t allowed to do military service because she was
too beautiful. But of course after media had published
the story she was...

[marktigger]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/misc/new_shoes3.jpg

[Loco]

http://www.aftonbladet.se/kvinna/0211/20/sabrina-129682-229012_368.jpg
Some swedish girl that a newspaper wrote about, she
wasn´t allowed to do military service because she was
too beautiful. But of course after media had published
the story she was...
Mustamato, may you explain this widely, plese? It´s really strange, perhaps she didn´t pass sporting tests or so?. By only once, I´ll refer to beauty of women, well, the nice girl of this last photo is really beauty, but in Sweden too many women are dazzling beauty, and I wouldn´t say the photo´s girl is the most beauty I´ve ever seen neither in Sweden nor in other place, in spite that meeting that girl in the street could make a happy day. Anyway, if Swedish army didn´t admit that girl because of her look, they simply are wrong.

[Roger Rabbit]

That Princess single? If she is then i know where i'm going on holiday this year.

[marktigger]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/humaid/train6.jpg

[Loco]

That Princess single? If she is then i know where i'm going on holiday this year.
ehem, Mustamato could talk about that, she´ll be next swedish queen, but her little sister is really a beautiful-beautiful-beautiful swedish girl. And, woh! is this the military photo site? I come back to work.

[mustamato]

http://www.aftonbladet.se/kvinna/0211/20/sabrina-129682-229012_368.jpg
Some swedish girl that a newspaper wrote about, she
wasn´t allowed to do military service because she was
too beautiful. But of course after media had published
the story she was...
Mustamato, may you explain this widely, plese? It´s really strange, perhaps she didn´t pass sporting tests or so?. By only once, I´ll refer to beauty of women, well, the nice girl of this last photo is really beauty, but in Sweden toomany women are dazzling beauty, and I wouldn´t say the photo´s girl is the most beauty I´ve ever seen neither in Sweden nor in other place, in spite that meeting that girl in the street could make a happy day. Anyway, if Swedish army didn´t admit that girl because of her look, they simply are wrong.

In Sweden all men (our should I say boys) are tested for two days, usually when they are 17-18. Girls can volunteer to do it if they want to do some time in the military. It´s intelligence tests, condition tests and all that. This girl did fine in everything, but the last thing you do (after talking with a shrink) is to get your assignment. Then after a year or so you are called up to do your military service. That man said however that she should be a model or something instead and refused to give her a military assignment. When his superiours heard about it (when she complained to the media) he was obviously almost fired, got away with a warning.

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.

So maybe the man that refused to give her a assignment was just thinking of her. I don´t think that her face is perfect either, but just imagine her body, and a couple of horny boys that has been out in the forest for three weeks. And there has sadly been ****** harassment and such in the past.

________________________________

http://www.princess-madeleine.com/site/madeleine/gallery/2002/nobel/images/pic15.jpg
Princess Madeleine, Victorias lilsis. But her
doing military service? No way. She is more
feminin. And her brother, prince Carl-Philip.
He´s a real man, militarily speaking he has
officer training and allt that.

[REMOV]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.Ekhm... special posters to encourage women to the military service, you said? ;)

Sweden population growth rate: 0.01% (2003 est.), hmmm looks like it doesn't work ;)
from: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sw.html#People

[Thomsen]

Germany ( for the moment only official pictures):

http://www.karl-lamers.de/aktuell/archiv/bundeswehr/frauen.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/frauenbw_g3_03_gr.jpg
http://treff.bundeswehr.de/data/01_soldat/15_frauen_idbw/computer.jpg
http://www.general-anzeiger-bonn.de/dokumentation/rueckblick2000/bundeswehr.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,56430,00.jpg
http://www.br-online.de/jugend/quer/higru/img/rothaarig.jpg
http://www.das-parlament.de/2001/10/bilder/PA10S03_07.jpg

I´ve got some videos, they´re not official... :lol:

[Hullebullen]

I've never understood why we can't have separate showers and stuff like that in the swe army. Both the army and the government are anxious to increase the number of women serving in the military so why aren't simple things like that taken cared of so that women feel more "welcomed". I think if women are to serve you have to increase their numbers so they won't be singled out so easily. We didn't have any girls in my company nor in my battalion but I'm aware of that girls that served in my regiment were harassed (one girl repeatedly had her locker scribbled with obscene derogatory remarks). I guess some guys have hard time dealing with women, especially if those women are better than they are at supposedly "manly" stuff like shooting and other soldiering skills...

[Marmot1]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.Ekhm... special posters to encourage women to the military service, you said? ;)

Sweden population growth rate: 0.01% (2003 est.), hmmm looks like it doesn't work ;)
from: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sw.html#People

How can I join sweedish army women batalion??? I wanna enlist now !!!!

It's not a joke I have been attracxted by the poster and pootos..

[wulfstan]

My god, that Swedish girl is fantastic! When i went to Stockholm a couple of years ago i was shocked at the amount of fine women there, in fact, after a couple of days i stopped noticing them. The guys back home found this difficult to believe. From then on I have always wanted to work/live in Sweden...

[MolliG]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/fingal/fimages/ro_uk_patrol01.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/fresco/images/25nov_southampton1.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/ocean_tps.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/fingal/fimages/womens_day_audience.jpg

http://www.operations.mod.uk/fingal/fimages/jubilee/preparation.jpg

:)

And...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/redcap/images/screensaver4.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/redcap/images/character_jo.jpg

;)

[Hydro]

Come on, Chubby, Tamzin Outhewaite doesn't count!

[Jack Mehoff]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.


whattttttttttttttttttttttttt sound naughty. Make me want to join Swedish miiltary now

[George W. Bush]

American chicks are definately the hottest. I had to rub one out after seeing those American chicks.

[cut]

:roll:

[mustamato]

American chicks are definately the hottest. I had to rub one out after seeing those American chicks.

Was it one of those in the Ricki Lake show?

[radon]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/080803/IS2003-2572a%20copy.jpg


She look little fat. Altough not every job in the army needs a condition of a athlete. When i saw this i tought that looks like the local feminist working at a libary wants to prove something rofl

[army cadet_ngcsu]

Israeli women are still the hottest

[cut]

Yeah I agree with that...

[HumanShield]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

Im sure u all have seen these before. From Russia

http://www.ananova.com/images/web/45270.jpg
http://www.sptimesrussia.com/archive/times/849/images/041_mi.jpg

[pAt]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/080803/IS2003-2572a%20copy.jpg


She look little fat. Altough not every job in the army needs a condition of a athlete. When i saw this i tought that looks like the local feminist working at a libary wants to prove something rofl

good thing you havnt been on a Canadian forces base than most women (mostly officers) are like huge i dont mean muscle i mean fat and i keep woundering to myself how they passed RMC!

[JaegerWO]

About those Russian women... Usually people get their real female soldiers mixed with uniform wearing ... ahh... how to put this , "entertainment" troops...

Yes , it is a fact , Russians do get women delivered to bases abroad for "entertainment"... =P

[marktigger]

aww come on PWRR at least Mc Dohnut is better looking than the last TV RMP woman Nancy in soldier soldier.
The new series had her in CP role at first.

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

that may be so... but there are also real women soldiers. In the VDV there are women soldiers and in other branches.

[Jack Mehoff]

I've seen a lot of Russian soldiers in Chechnya but not one time i've seen any Ruskie women soldiers. Any reason why?

p.s. through pictures of course

[pAt]

lol our forces is giving money to a man to be turned into a women! no joke either

[TriggerPuller]

lol our forces is giving money to a man to be turned into a women! no joke either What country is this?

TP

[TheTooth]

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/humaid/train6.jpg
Talk about role reversal. The guys are playing clarinets in the background.

[redhawk_six]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash:

[redhawk_six]

More... And keep this mature and sexism free, guys!

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/060502/BK2002-0155-40a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/050602/IS2002-0044a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110402b/ISD01-9367.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/011502/ISD01-6587.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/Miscellaneous/ISD01-6059a.jpg

And that's it for the army.. next, the airforce..

[redhawk_six]

The Airforce:

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/061003/IS2003-0316D.JPG

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/060903/IS2003-0304D.JPG

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/051403/IS2003-1254a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/051403/IS2003-1255a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110802/IS2002-2797a%20copy.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/012502/ISD02-6050.jpg

[pAt]

http://www.strathconas.ca/News/Images/faith1.jpg

[redhawk_six]

And a few more from the Navy:

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/032403/HS035028d08.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110402/IS2002-1643a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110402/IS2002-1639a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110402/IS2002-1633a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/072402/AP2002-E024-64a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/052202/ETD02-0115-11.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/052202/ETD02-0115-07.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/OP%20Apollo/ISD01-9586a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/OP%20Apollo/ISD01-9579a.jpg

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/OP%20Apollo/ISD01-9561a.jpg

And that's all folks :)

[TriggerPuller]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash: Wroooong!! I am a Tactical handgun Instructor,hence my screen name,and she is not doing it right. First of all she just double tapped. Both eyes need to be open,still with front sight focus, unless there is a cross eye dominate problem and in this case she is flinching from the recoil,notice her chin position. Her arms are locked and thats fine but she needs to have her shoulders a little more forward than straight up. And her hand position is atrocious nobody is taught to have the weak hand under the strong hand. It needs to be wrapped around the front of the strong hand. I know a lot of very good women shooters some even give me a run for my money but this one aint one of them!!! Would love to hear your rebuttal. This is not a flame just an observation.

TP

Edited to add: where the hell is the eye protection?

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash:
I don't know if you ever shoot a handgun but anyway. From the way she is holding her sidearm i'm assuming she's right handed and right handed people close their left eyes instead of their right eye. But why the hell you need to close one of your eye while shooting a handgun anyway? unless the target is really far away and i mean far.

[redhawk_six]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash: Wroooong!! I am a Tactical handgun Instructor,hence my screen name,and she is not doing it right. First of all she just double tapped. Both eyes need to be open,still with front sight focus, unless there is a cross eye dominate problem and in this case she is flinching from the recoil,notice her chin position. Her arms are locked and thats fine but she needs to have her shoulders a little more forward than straight up. And her hand position is atrocious nobody is taught to have the weak hand under the strong hand. It needs to be wrapped around the front of the strong hand. I know a lot of very good women shooters some even give me a run for my money but this one aint one of them!!! Would love to hear your rebuttal. This is not a flame just an observation.

TP

Edited to add: where the hell is the eye protection?

Diffrent countries, diffrent training I suppose.

Plus, as an instructor, I'm sure you know that even the best of shooters pick up bad habits.

Anyway, she probably doesn't even shoot it that often, only in exercises like the one shown in the photo. Her primary weapon, as a boarding party member, would be an MP-5 or Shotgun.

[ibstolidude]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash:
No her ****ty stance and horrid grip ensure she doesn't hit anything....that has nothing to do with being female.

{edited - oops too slow on the draw I was}

[Jeval]

Hey redhawk_six,
I am a member of a Canadian Navy Boarding Team and I can tell you that Triggerpuller is right. This Officer has no clue what she is doing. The reason for this may be that she is not a member of a Boarding Team but in fact just an officer who is firing off a few rounds to get use to the gun because the Officer of the Day in a foreign port has to wear a sidearm. This is probably her first time firing a pistol and her first time handling a firearm since her basic training. I still don't understand why the officer of the day has to carry a firearm, it just doesn't make sense because they are not trained to use them.

[marktigger]

having watched the gulf deployment and the clinicians from medical units being issued side arms when they haven't touched them for years. It has struck me that the military does not appear to take seriously continuation training for people who have to carry pistols.
I'm not talking about CQB type stuff i'm talking about basic safety and drills. BTW is that a sig p226 have the canadians started to replace their brownings?

[TriggerPuller]

having watched the gulf deployment and the clinicians from medical units being issued side arms when they haven't touched them for years. It has struck me that the military does not appear to take seriously continuation training for people who have to carry pistols.
I'm not talking about CQB type stuff i'm talking about basic safety and drills. BTW is that a sig p226 have the canadians started to replace their brownings?.... or P228 cant really tell.

TP

[marktigger]

the slide isn't rounded enough for a p229

[Wacko]

Women in the army, why?!

[Jeval]

It is a P225.
Single stack 9 mm,
8 round mag.

[marktigger]

had a check on the canadian arms thread and they have some P225's

why have women in the armed forces simple there is jobs they can do many of them they can do better than men. some of them are also nice to look at :D

[Wacko]

Why are you put women in the army?

[Jack Mehoff]

Why? because they give you *****. That's why

[Vance]

Redhawk_six = pwned

[[AFSOC]]

had a check on the canadian arms thread and they have some P225's

why have women in the armed forces simple there is jobs they can do many of them they can do better than men. some of them are also nice to look at :D

CAnadian FOrces have P225's for special forces. Navy Boarding party's, im sure some air force guys have em and helicopter pilots.

[Wacko]

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/images/local/annonsbilden_280.jpg
Ad to get more women in to the military


What, They must be joking. The Swedish army really suck (i'm sorry too say that but is true). Haha, They make commercials to get more women in the army, they must be really stupid....haha, Swedes are chickens.
Sure, a Women could be a good soldier, but the most of the best soldiers is men. That is facts. Why aren't they make commercials for men?
I can't beleive it. They wants more womens, because they gonna have *** with them, or Why?

[Jeval]

What does "pwned" mean?

[anonymous individual]

Redhawk_six = pwned

Pwned or Pwn means "own". It is a net term came from on-line shooting games if I am correct. It has few similar yet different meanings depending on how it is used. In this case, it means Redhawk_six is absolutely right/correction.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[Vance]

No, it means Redhawk got put in his place, basically... :P

[Burncycle]

Waronline.org has a gallery of females in israeli service.

Rowr.......

http://www.waronline.org/IDF/pictures/Girls/index.html

[pAt]

lol our forces is giving money to a man to be turned into a women! no joke either What country is this?

TP

Canada!!

[ArmedPacifist]

lol our forces is giving money to a man to be turned into a women! no joke either What country is this?

TP

Canada!!

Apart from them having lower physical standards and higher rate of promotions I don't understand.

[redhawk_six]

Women in the army, why?!

Because they can fight just as well as men, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be, only BS based on sexist, illogical arguments.

[redhawk_six]

Hey redhawk_six,
I am a member of a Canadian Navy Boarding Team and I can tell you that Triggerpuller is right. This Officer has no clue what she is doing. The reason for this may be that she is not a member of a Boarding Team but in fact just an officer who is firing off a few rounds to get use to the gun because the Officer of the Day in a foreign port has to wear a sidearm. This is probably her first time firing a pistol and her first time handling a firearm since her basic training. I still don't understand why the officer of the day has to carry a firearm, it just doesn't make sense because they are not trained to use them.

Oh, I just assumed that she was boarding party because she was taking part in boarding party exercises and wearing a camelbak. Didn't know officers had to wear sidearms in forgein ports, but I haven't looking into the navy that much, I'm a land lover lol. You learn something new everyday.

And vance, how did I get "pwned"? By being informed of a peice of info that I'm sure a majority of the people here didn't know? (the fact that Canadian navy officers have to carry sidearms in ports)

And Vance, making fun of me is no way to get me to help you with your aa.com problems... :lol: j/k

[mustamato]

What, They must be joking. The Swedish army really suck (i'm sorry too say that but is true). Haha, They make commercials to get more women in the army, they must be really stupid....haha, Swedes are chickens. Sure, a Women could be a good soldier, but the most of the best soldiers is men. That is facts. Why aren't they make commercials for men? I can't beleive it. They wants more womens, because they gonna have *** with them, or Why?

...because military service is mandatory for men while it´s voluntary for women? By the way I bet you haven´t been a day in any military so even a real swedish pokpokpok chicken would be way more experienced than you, aight?

[TALOS]

lol our forces is giving money to a man to be turned into a women! no joke either What country is this?

TP

Canada!!

Your kiddin me!... you have to be ... thats just retarded, and they wonder why were pissed about our taxes.

[Wacko]

What, They must be joking. The Swedish army really suck (i'm sorry too say that but is true). Haha, They make commercials to get more women in the army, they must be really stupid....haha, Swedes are chickens. Sure, a Women could be a good soldier, but the most of the best soldiers is men. That is facts. Why aren't they make commercials for men? I can't beleive it. They wants more womens, because they gonna have *** with them, or Why?

...because military service is mandatory for men while it´s voluntary for women. By the way I bet you haven´t been day in any military so even a real swedish pokpokpok chicken would be way more experienced than you aight?

Not to mention the women.
Well, I still think the swedish army needs mor men, and answer at my question pleas. Why, do you want women in the army?

[Wacko]

Women in the army, why?!

Because they can fight just as well as men, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be, only BS based on sexist, illogical arguments.
Stop call me sexist and thing like that. I'm absolutly not sexist, I'm just realist. You know as I do. There is no women in the U.S special forces, why? Because is natural that men is a better warrior. A men is physical and mental stronger then a women. Cold facts.

[mustamato]

Vaco has obviously not much experience with women. Atleast I have noticed among my girlfriends that they tend to be good at different things. And he has definitively no experience with either the military or women in it.

____________________________________________________

And some more pics

http://www2.mil.fi/fiiliskuvat/etufiilis_naiset1.jpg
Part of finnish (web) ad for women, look at these hats, size XXXXL?

http://www.mdn.mil.se/harnosandsgruppen/images/local/img_0014-640.jpg
Swedish volunteer. There are a lot of auxilliary people around the
swedish defence forces, such as people in the red cross that are
volunteer medics and all kinds of things. And since they work as it
in the civilian life they are sure good at it, and why not use such a
resource? They are usually connected to the homeguard, so they are
not exactly doing any front-line duty.

http://www.mds.mil.se/hallandsgruppen/images/local/regdag03_hundar.jpg
Another one of these volunteers in some kind of display, it´s probably
here own dog as well. Note that she has a green hat, that´s part of the
old uniform system m/59, the new is almost the same but in camouflage,
by some reason the old hats are still widely used by the homeguard.

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/images/local/minilumpen_start.jpg
Veeery popular among swedish girls is the "miniservice" that are
arranged so that they can test some military life. it´s usually just a
couple of days. And usually they only do "fun things" so that they won´t
be scared off.

http://www.4minkriflj.mil.se/images/local/3_0904_1_minilump.jpg
Such as learning the basics of a formation...

http://www.4minkriflj.mil.se/images/local/3_0904_6_minilump.jpg
[i]... and visiting a submarine.

http://www.f21.mil.se/images/local/karrasoelgale.jpg
Some girls doing that miniservice in the Air Force (note wings in the
hat), also note there are no patches on the uniform, thus they are no
soldiers.

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/images/local/31_005.jpg
Armoured brigade (beret badge) officer teaching a girl during that
miniservice in how to use the AK5 assault rifle. Note that in this case the
girl has got a uniform with a patch left, it happens sometimes,
skyddsvakt = security guard.

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/images/local/21_004.jpg
Girl doing that miniservice with that piece of 18th century (not
kidding, the version has been used since then in the swedish army) kitchen,
behind her a standard issue heated halfplatoon tent.

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/tjej/images/local/eldledning.jpg
Artillery forward observer I think

http://www.mil.se/images/local/agok_sekr1.jpg
With a Combat Vehicle 90

[Chris196]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash:

1. Closing an eye is for bullseye shooting. You keep both eyes open so you have peripheral vision so someone on your flanks doesnt take you out.

2. The Tea Cup hold went out with Dirty Harry in the late 70s. It does NOTHING for stability, or recoil control and follow up in rapid fire.

3. She is agressively leaned backward, not forward into the gun and its recoil like she should be.

4. She LOOKS scared of the gun.

Nice job defending the lady thoough ;)

[Cloaken]

Somethings to explain about the Swedish army and women in the army.

As a women you are not forced to do military service, its up to you if you want to do it thats why all "commercial" (spelling sorry) for women to get in the army, also there isnt much women in the army anyway.
You dont have to do commercial for men to join the army beacuse they must attend to recruting office (dunno if its the right word to use) bhut they dont need to do it if not the army thinks you have speciall skills, bhut if you do it you get alot of bonus as drivinglicens for bigger trucks, guard training so you have almost all the things you need to be a security guard, it depends on what post you getting in and what bonus you will have.

The Swedish army are batterling hard budgetcuts.

Even our future queen have done military service and tell me how many countrys can say that.

Sweden havent been to war in about 300 years.

The primary swedish army around the world are peacekeepin.

[Hullebullen]

This "women can't carry as much stuff as men do" doesn't really matter that much in a modern army. After basic training I never really carried anything around but my basic gear (by that I mean, rifle, combat harness and vest). My backpack only travelled from my locker to the APC most of the time.

As for women not being in SF units, well most guys don't qualify for SF duty either. That doesn't seem to hinder them from being soldiers.

[mustamato]

Sweden havent been to war in about 300 years...

One thing many are forgetting (or simply don´t want to see) is that despite that the swedish state officially not has been in war in a looong time the swedish soldiers have been in combat, in example during world war 2 and the thousands of volunteers to this day (in Congo and places like that in the 50´s to our present day). And not to mention those rare guys that has been in the french foreign legion, attended ranger courses in US and so forth. Of course the experience gained will come to back to the swedish military in one way or the other.

[Haiw]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that.
*****ific... ;)

[Cloaken]

One thing many are forgetting (or simply don´t want to see) is that despite that the swedish state officially not has been in war in a looong time the swedish soldiers have been in combat, in example during world war 2 and the thousands of volunteers to this day (in Congo and places like that in the 50´s to our present day). And not to mention those rare guys that has been in the french foreign legion, attended ranger courses in US and so forth. Of course the experience gained will come to back to the swedish military in one way or the other.

I can honest say i forgot hehe.

[NcDeuce]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212003/041703/IS2003-2336a%20copy.jpg

How can you join something where there is a good chance you will have to do this some day, and be that affraid of a gun? I mean hell, it aint gonna fly up and hit ya. Its a damn pistol.... :cantbeli:

Edit: And you know she aint hitting a damn thing... rofl

First: it's called RECOIL! she JUST fired a shot Notice the cassing in mid air

Second, see's not afraid of the gun, she is aiming with one eye close through the iron sights, and holding it at arms length, like ALL the people on that deck are doing.

She's probably hitting more than you could. She has training, of course she knows how to use a pistol, she's a boarding party member. Just because she's a girl doesn't mean she's incapable of firing a weapon and hitting something. :bash:

1. Closing an eye is for bullseye shooting. You keep both eyes open so you have peripheral vision so someone on your flanks doesnt take you out.

2. The Tea Cup hold went out with Dirty Harry in the late 70s. It does NOTHING for stability, or recoil control and follow up in rapid fire.

3. She is agressively leaned backward, not forward into the gun and its recoil like she should be.

4. She LOOKS scared of the gun.

Nice job defending the lady thoough ;)

^ Word

Human Shield must be in CAG.

[JTFazz]

Didn't see this one posted... Vanessa Dobos, the first aerial gunner (http://www.afmc.wpafb.af.mil/HQ-AFMC/PA/news/archive/2002/aug/0813-02.htm) in the USAF, HH60 Pavehawk to be specific.

http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1103/gunssb1b.jpg

More on Dobos from Airman Magazine. (http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1103/gunssb1.html)

[ExtraT]

This "women can't carry as much stuff as men do" doesn't really matter that much in a modern army. After basic training I never really carried anything around but my basic gear (by that I mean, rifle, combat harness and vest).


Well, you're very lucky that your army is such a kindergarten. IDF soldiers, for example, are not so lucky. Everybody that I know of who served in IDF (which includes me) has some kind of a back problem. Modern soldiers carry LOTS of stuff, and I'm not talking about backpacks. Ever tried running carrying a stretcher with a 100kg guy on it?

[Jack Mehoff]

Unfortunetaly, both Swedish and IDF are conscript.

No offense

[mustamato]

This "women can't carry as much stuff as men do" doesn't really matter that much in a modern army. After basic training I never really carried anything around but my basic gear (by that I mean, rifle, combat harness and vest).


Well, you're very lucky that your army is such a kindergarten. IDF soldiers, for example, are not so lucky. Everybody that I know of who served in IDF (which includes me) has some kind of a back problem. Modern soldiers carry LOTS of stuff, and I'm not talking about backpacks. Ever tried running carrying a stretcher with a 100kg guy on it?

Oh yeah, swedish soldiers have never carried a stretcher :roll:

http://www.amfbat.com/pictures/stein/images/SteinUBKTross_jpg.jpg
With stretchers on the backpack

[ExtraT]

Unfortunetaly, both Swedish and IDF are conscript.


Hmmm.. I don't quite understand why that matters?



No offense

None taken.

[Jack Mehoff]

Trust me, U.S. military experienced both conscript and volunteer force. In conclusion, i'd rather let a volunteer guy to watch my back than a pissed off conscript.

[mustamato]

Trust me, U.S. military experienced both conscript and volunteer force. In conclusion, i'd rather let a volunteer guy to watch my back than a pissed off conscript.

http://www.nastyburger.com/u.jpg

Are you angry at something? :)

[ExtraT]

I'm not offending the Swedish military. In fact, I think it's very good that they haven't had a war for 300 years. :)



Oh yeah, swedish soldiers have never carried a stretcher :roll:


Do they carry stretchers WITH SOLDIERS ON THEM as a routine training? Like this, for example:

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/november/dotz%2012.11.03-02.jpg

[ExtraT]

Trust me, U.S. military experienced both conscript and volunteer force. In conclusion, i'd rather let a volunteer guy to watch my back than a pissed off conscript.

The current conclusion around the world is that it would depend on the conscript and the volunteer. The debate about who's better is still on, and will be on for a looooong time.

[mustamato]

Do they carry stretchers WITH SOLDIERS ON THEM as a routine training? Like this, for example:

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/november/dotz%2012.11.03-02.jpg

I find that question to be somewhat retarded. I mean, it´s not only the jews that have figured out that you can carry wounded soldiers on stretchers? Dear old swedish army standard issue stretcher is Sjukbår 2 MT with a weight of 7 kg, a normal soldier of 85 kg, with his equipment would be something over 100 kg. The stretcher in action:

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/vinnarinstinkt.jpg
Effective way to get the burden to more soldiers...

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/barbarning.jpg
... and enough said?

http://www.totalskidskolan.z.se/lager/Hojdarlager%202002/bilder/lumpen/lumpen2650034.jpg
More swedish women, and this thread is after all about women and
not about how tough IDF soldiers are. Found these on the site of some
female skiclub that had the opportunity to do some military stuff one
weekend.

[Jack Mehoff]

Swedish women allow to work in the submarines? If so, how do they (the Navy) accomodate their needs?

[mustamato]

Swedish women allow to work in the submarines? If so, how do they (the Navy) accomodate their needs?

What needs?

http://www.marinen.mil.se/images/local/ub.jpg
Swedish submarine, part of EU´s rapid deployment force.

http://www.marinen.mil.se/images/local/ubinombords.jpg
.. and inside. Note the blond woman, or atleast I think she is one.
But the answer to you question is yes.

[Javehn]

You have woman on subs ? That's a really bad luck there , excuse me for saying . Where do they sleep, together with men ?

[Jack Mehoff]

Feminine needs of course. I have not yet meet a decent, normal woman who willingly to change her clothes and use the same restroom with the men. Not that i'm complaining but that doesn't sound very normal.

[Wacko]

Somethings to explain about the Swedish army and women in the army.

As a women you are not forced to do military service, its up to you if you want to do it thats why all "commercial" (spelling sorry) for women to get in the army, also there isnt much women in the army anyway.
You dont have to do commercial for men to join the army beacuse they must attend to recruting office (dunno if its the right word to use) bhut they dont need to do it if not the army thinks you have speciall skills, bhut if you do it you get alot of bonus as drivinglicens for bigger trucks, guard training so you have almost all the things you need to be a security guard, it depends on what post you getting in and what bonus you will have.

The Swedish army are batterling hard budgetcuts.

Even our future queen have done military service and tell me how many countrys can say that.

Sweden havent been to war in about 300 years.

The primary swedish army around the world are peacekeepin.
you seems to be a smart swede. Exacltly. The Swedish miitary has no experence. They "think" women is much better then men? the Swedish Royal army must be one of the most unfit army in west.

[Javehn]

Actually , women do have place in army , but some units just not feet for them . Many of field units , that doesn't allow the women to take care they higien neads (many field technical units ) , and some units , that what to do , neads high strength and big heart-lung endurance . In other cases , women shouldn't have any problems in army .

[Haiw]

vaco are you really that stupid?

[TALOS]

I find that question to be somewhat retarded. I mean, it´s not only the jews that have figured out that you can carry wounded soldiers on stretchers? Dear old swedish army standard issue stretcher is Sjukbår 2 MT with a weight of 7 kg, a normal soldier of 85 kg, with his equipment would be something over 100 kg.
Mustamoto, I think he was making the comments in re weight and stretchers cuzza this comment by Hullebullen:

This "women can't carry as much stuff as men do" doesn't really matter that much in a modern army. After basic training I never really carried anything around but my basic gear (by that I mean, rifle, combat harness and vest). My backpack only travelled from my locker to the APC most of the time.

As for women not being in SF units, well most guys don't qualify for SF duty either. That doesn't seem to hinder them from being soldiers.

[Wacko]

LOL. I've found the commercial movie:

http://www.mil.se/media/film/filmer_html/30_FINAL_broadband_rm.htm

HAHA!

[mustamato]

Feminine needs of course. I have not yet meet a decent, normal woman who willingly to change her clothes and use the same restroom with the men. Not that i'm complaining but that doesn't sound very normal.

But I wouldnt recommend you to think of swedish women or men as the american ones, we have a differrent culture here. Think of the finnish sauna-culture in example, nakedness is not the same thing as ***, atleast not here. And I guess it´s about political correctnes as well. Sweden is the worlds most equal country, (in example the government has more than 50% female ministers). I have no idea how they do in submarines, but I think that we can stop thinking "Das Boot", as you can see from the picture i posted modern submarines are a little more sophisticated than that, I guess that also goes for the beds which no more is only a blanket over some torpedo. They probably have a little more privacy these days.


the Swedish Royal army must be one of the most unfit army in west.
Post a picture of yourself so we can compare you with these unfit swedes :roll:

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/vinnarinstinkt.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

Actually , women do have place in army , but some units just not feet for them . Many of field units , that doesn't allow the women to take care they higien neads (many field technical units ) , and some units , that what to do , neads high strength and big heart-lung endurance . In other cases , women shouldn't have any problems in army .

what Army are you talking about?

[Wacko]

vaco are you really that stupid?
Ehh, Noo. Are you?

[Javehn]

Actually , women do have place in army , but some units just not feet for them . Many of field units , that doesn't allow the women to take care they higien neads (many field technical units ) , and some units , that what to do , neads high strength and big heart-lung endurance . In other cases , women shouldn't have any problems in army .

what Army are you talking about?

You aren't agree with it ? I think for all armies , more or less , that applies .

[Jack Mehoff]

But I wouldnt recommend you to think of swedish women or men as the american ones, we have a differrent culture here. Think of the finnish sauna-culture in example, nakedness is not the same thing as ***, atleast not here. And I guess it´s about political correctnes as well. Sweden is the worlds most equal country, (in example the government has more than 50% female ministers). I have no idea how they do in submarines, but I think that we can stop thinking "Das Boot", as you can see from the picture i posted modern submarines are a little more sophisticated than that, I guess that also goes for the beds which no more is only a blanket over some torpedo. They probably have a little more privacy these days.

But how come they conscript all Swedish men to serve in the military and give the option to women?

[Antaris]

Vaco, Time and time again, you have prooven your self an total moron not knowing anything, not about your own armed forces (very probably, i would guess your just one of those "Omg Delta is the best, because i´ve seen it on the movies, and omg movies are always right!!" kids or maybe your just to naive to realize that you dont know jack-**** about anything or anyone.

Come to sweden, and we´ll see how long you will last.

[mustamato]

But how come they conscript all Swedish men to serve in the military and give the option to women?

Because there was no need for it. In the late 80´s and early 90´s the swedish army was still around 750.000 soldiers strong after mobilization. That in a country with 9 million inhabitants. For the country to keep functioning there still had to be people going to work. The women had a important role in this and would take over many of the typical "male" jobs when the men were mobilized. As they did in other countries with drafted armies during world war 2 and so forth.

I don´t have the numbers in my head but these days the swedish army is down to 125.000 or something like that, and to that the 100.000 homeguard of all volunteers. Not even all men are needed and those that do their military service is only in the reserve for a couple of years. The women are simply not needed. Why they are not called up in the "name of equality"? Well, it´s probably a cultural thing, the military is a very masculine institution, which makes "a man" of the soldier. This due to tradition. The military is not democratic or equal, it´s the rest of the society that is. The military is like a another world where a complete idiot that was bullied in school is the God, just because he has a higher rank.

[Wacko]

Feminine needs of course. I have not yet meet a decent, normal woman who willingly to change her clothes and use the same restroom with the men. Not that i'm complaining but that doesn't sound very normal.

But I wouldnt recommend you to think of swedish women or men as the american ones, we have a differrent culture here. Think of the finnish sauna-culture in example, nakedness is not the same thing as ***, atleast not here. And I guess it´s about political correctnes as well. Sweden is the worlds most equal country, (in example the government has more than 50% female ministers). I have no idea how they do in submarines, but I think that we can stop thinking "Das Boot", as you can see from the picture i posted modern submarines are a little more sophisticated than that, I guess that also goes for the beds which no more is only a blanket over some torpedo. They probably have a little more privacy these days.


I I've see your Defence minister. It's a girl. She doesn't even look like a Military-women. I'm sure she never use a weapon. Why? . That is not equality of opportunity that is just silly. And girls and boys have a "shower" togheter. Your army looks like a camp-party or something. Your country is absolutly not the most Equality country in the world. You country is a boring and stupid country with a desperate population and you know that. Sweden have no Military experence, a totaly worthless army. Everybody laughing at your country. Why do you think the peopole hates your government?

[NcDeuce]

http://airsoftextreme.com/images/games/nd.jpg

http://www.airsoftextreme.com/images/games/beerhunters6.JPG

Oops, wrong thread. rofl

[Wacko]

Vaco, Time and time again, you have prooven your self an total moron not knowing anything, not about your own armed forces (very probably, i would guess your just one of those "Omg Delta is the best, because i´ve seen it on the movies, and omg movies are always right!!" kids or maybe your just to naive to realize that you dont know jack-**** about anything or anyone.

Come to sweden, and we´ll see how long you will last.
No, I'm just a realist.

[NcDeuce]

Vaco, Time and time again, you have prooven your self an total moron not knowing anything, not about your own armed forces (very probably, i would guess your just one of those "Omg Delta is the best, because i´ve seen it on the movies, and omg movies are always right!!" kids or maybe your just to naive to realize that you dont know jack-**** about anything or anyone.

Come to sweden, and we´ll see how long you will last.

Well maybe not...

http://airsoftextreme.com/images/games/nd.jpg

http://www.airsoftextreme.com/images/games/beerhunters6.JPG

:slap:

[mustamato]

Well maybe not...

And your major malfunction is...?

[REMOV]

I I've see your Defence minister. It's a girl. She doesn't even look like a Military-women. I'm sure she never use a weapon.The Secretary of Defence its only a civil function. What is so strange that this role can be fulfilled also by a woman?!

And girls and boys have a "shower" togheter.Just like in "Starship troopers", right? ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

I can just imagine a super hot Swedish babe taking a shower in front of me and other guys. :D

[Wacko]

I I've see your Defence minister. It's a girl. She doesn't even look like a Military-women. I'm sure she never use a weapon.The Secretary of Defence its only a civil function. What is so strange that this role can be fulfilled also by a woman?!

And girls and boys have a "shower" togheter.Just like in "Starship troopers", right? ;)Starship troopers is a movie. And a Defense minister should have a little knowledge about the army. I will never go to Sweden. Is a gay-country with a desperate population. I'm not gay and iI don't wanna be on visited with desperate peopole.

[REMOV]

And a Defense minister should have a little knowledge about the army.So? The woman cannot have a knowledge about military? It's very interesting theory...

[Wacko]

And a Defense minister should have a little knowledge about the army.So? The woman cannot have a knowledge about military? It's very interesting theory...
Of course!. But we was talking about the Swedish Defence minister. She got no knowledge about the army. I've read about her.

[TALOS]

And a Defense minister should have a little knowledge about the army.So? The woman cannot have a knowledge about military? It's very interesting theory...
Of course!. But we was talking about the Swedish Defence minister. She got no knowledge about the army. I've read about her.
Vaco, why the hate on, you dont like women in the military?... hey thats your right and a lot of peeps agree but dont be so insulting and ignorant is all the others are saying.
This thread wasnt to debate the merits of it, it was just to show that women do serve. You made your point, you dont like women in the military, nuff said.

[REMOV]

Of course!. But we was talking about the Swedish Defence minister. She got no knowledge about the army. I've read about her.And is it obligatory for the Secretary/Minister of Defence have a military knowledge? What for? And the ex-captain is a better MoD that ex-sergeant, for instance? So tell me more about military background of Susan Morissey or Shiela E. Widnell?

BTW - Female Ministers of Defence, Security or Civil Defence http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Defence_ministers.htm

[BlackRain]

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[Seoulstriker]

BTW - Female Ministers of Defence, Security or Civil Defence http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Defence_ministers.htm

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/fotos/Sirivamo-Bandaranaike.jpg

i'd hit that. :P

or as jack would say: "i'd fist that with my long arm" :)

[Jack Mehoff]

hell ya

[ArmedPacifist]

What's this guy doing in there?

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/fotos/loewerelbjoerg.JPG

[JunglistSoldier]

American chicks are definately the hottest. I had to rub one out after seeing those American chicks.

I'm not going to owerwork my precious little girl hands by typing alot, so i'll just say:

YOU SUCK.

[JunglistSoldier]

http://www.rekryc.mil.se/images/local/annonsbilden_280.jpg
Ad to get more women in to the military


What, They must be joking. The Swedish army really suck (i'm sorry too say that but is true). Haha, They make commercials to get more women in the army, they must be really stupid....haha, Swedes are chickens.
Sure, a Women could be a good soldier, but the most of the best soldiers is men. That is facts. Why aren't they make commercials for men?
I can't beleive it. They wants more womens, because they gonna have *** with them, or Why?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


O M G ! the suck is strong with you, obi ****!

I'm betting a metric f|_|ckton of cash that most of these ladies will kick your ass and then ask for seconds. How old are you kid? 12? Your English is on the verge of not being English at all FFS!

[JunglistSoldier]

This "women can't carry as much stuff as men do" doesn't really matter that much in a modern army. After basic training I never really carried anything around but my basic gear (by that I mean, rifle, combat harness and vest).


Well, you're very lucky that your army is such a kindergarten. IDF soldiers, for example, are not so lucky. Everybody that I know of who served in IDF (which includes me) has some kind of a back problem. Modern soldiers carry LOTS of stuff, and I'm not talking about backpacks. Ever tried running carrying a stretcher with a 100kg guy on it?

hey - different people do different ****. We have humpers who carry so much **** their rucks are bigger then themselves, and we have staff that can ride in APC's and while riding in APC's they don't have to carry their **** around.

Sadly the combat effectivness of an army isn't measured in bad backs.

[JunglistSoldier]

I'm not offending the Swedish military. In fact, I think it's very good that they haven't had a war for 300 years. :)



Oh yeah, swedish soldiers have never carried a stretcher :roll:


Do they carry stretchers WITH SOLDIERS ON THEM as a routine training? Like this, for example:

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/november/dotz%2012.11.03-02.jpg

E V E R Y person that wears the Swedish military uniform has at some point carried a stretcher with a combat casualty (real or otherwise).

[JunglistSoldier]

you seems to be a smart swede. Exacltly. The Swedish miitary has no experence. They "think" women is much better then men? the Swedish Royal army must be one of the most unfit army in west.

ARE YOU ****TING ME?

PLEASE return he oxygen that you stole while typing this **** up and get your ****ing facts straight you ass.

[JunglistSoldier]

LOL. I've found the commercial movie:

http://www.mil.se/media/film/filmer_html/30_FINAL_broadband_rm.htm

HAHA!

Please tell me what the problem is with this commercial snippet?

Are you a sealdeltaCCTranger ART DIRECTOR now?

[ArmedPacifist]

guys, he's not worth your time.

[JunglistSoldier]

I've see your Defence minister. It's a girl.
She is a girl.

She doesn't even look like a Military-women.
She isn't a military WOMAN. She hasn't done military service.

I'm sure she never use a weapon. Why?
Because maybe and just MAYBE she isn't a hunter, sports shooter or soldier?

. That is not equality of opportunity that is just silly.
What?

And girls and boys have a "shower" togheter.
Are you afraid of girls or something? I've showered (in-service) with girls. I've hit the sauna (IN SERVICE) with girls. I've been humpin' a ruck with a female college for one week during a guerilla warfare ex which meant that we slept together, we humped together, we ambushed together.. we SOLDIERED together! One day, when your balls drop or when you eventually acctually grow a ***** of your own, you'll realize that girls aren't contagious.

Your army looks like a camp-party or something.
Tell that to the Swedish soldiers getting shot at in Afghanistan, congo, kosovo etc.

Your country is absolutly not the most Equality country in the world.
Point being?

You country is a boring and stupid country with a desperate population and you know that.
Yeah, your a real smarty!!!1111 YO ARE TEH SMARTESTEST OVER ALL TEH SWEDS TOGETHERH!

Sweden have no Military experence, a totaly worthless army.
no.

Everybody laughing at your country. Why do you think the peopole hates your government? Show me the facts to back this up please.

[JunglistSoldier]

Starship troopers is a movie. And a Defense minister should have a little knowledge about the army. I will never go to Sweden. Is a gay-country with a desperate population. I'm not gay and iI don't wanna be on visited with desperate peopole.

She has more knowledge about the army then you do.

I'm in Sweden and I'm not gay. I'm also not desperate. What IS your problem?

[JunglistSoldier]

guys, he's not worth your time.

Somebody REALLY needs to invent something that will allow me to instantly teleport to other peoples locations to pistol-whip them. (ref to vaco not you)

[ExtraT]

... we have staff that can ride in APC's and while riding in APC's they don't have to carry their **** around.


That's just super. And if the APC breaks down, and there is a wounded man that needs to be carried 20km to a place where he will get care? And if the radio is broken, and you can't call medevac? If the people are physically capable to run these 20km with the guy on the stretcher, and at the same time remain functional soldiers (cause it's war), then the guy lives. And if they can't - then he dies. The difference between an AVERAGE man and an AVERAGE woman is that woman will burn out much sooner.



Sadly the combat effectivness of an army isn't measured in bad backs.

I'm afraid it is (among other things). Ask any real soldier from a serious army, and he will tell you that his service had effect on his health. Military duty in modern armies always involves physical strains, and these strains cause health problems, it's as simple as that.

This raises a funny story. I know an ex Syrian officer in Montreal, and he has a back problem. So I thought it was from his past military service and I told him that - and he told me (in an offended voice): "I was an officer, not a private - I wasn't straining my back". It was then and there that I fully understood why Syrian army is such a piece of ****. :)

[mustamato]

... we have staff that can ride in APC's and while riding in APC's they don't have to carry their **** around.


That's just super. And if the APC breaks down, and there is a wounded man that needs to be carried 20km to a place where he will get care? And if the radio is broken, and you can't call medevac? If the people are physically capable to run these 20km with the guy on the stretcher, and at the same time remain functional soldiers (cause it's war), then the guy lives. And if they can't - then he dies. The difference between an AVERAGE man and an AVERAGE woman is that woman will burn out much sooner.

The difference between a average man and a average women is that the women is not retarded enough to run 20 km with a stretcher and thus kill the man on it. :roll:




Sadly the combat effectivness of an army isn't measured in bad backs.

I'm afraid it is (among other things). Ask any real soldier from a serious army, and he will tell you that his service had effect on his health. Military duty in modern armies always involves physical strains, and these strains cause health problems, it's as simple as that.

This raises a funny story. I know an ex Syrian officer in Montreal, and he has a back problem. So I thought it was from his past military service and I told him that - and he told me (in an offended voice): "I was an officer, not a private - I wasn't straining my back". It was then and there that I fully understood why Syrian army is such a piece of ****. :)

Did your jewish überbrain actually register that I posted pics of swedish soldiers doing that very rare stretcher-carrying that is only done in "serious armies"? And if it did, then explain to me the difference between jewish and swedish backs, and why the swedish backs didn´t break in the same extenth? When I myself felt that my back was going to get screwed up when doing something during a exercise I simply stopped doing it. Why didn´t you?

By the way it´s severely retarded by a country to ruin the backs of the finest soldiers that would be invalids for the rest of the live and not being to much use for the rest of the society. Actually I don´t think for a second that this is the case, it´s just poor old ExtraT that has a wild imagination and a broken back because he didn´t use the correct technique while lifting heavy stuff at the local gym to impress da girls, and sure as hell didn´t get any compensation money so he´s just a little pissed of now... I mean has Javehn and the other ones complained about this? No.

And I guess you are reffering to that "Syrian piece of ****"-army that kicked your asses in Lebanon and has been keeping them out of being a Israeli province to these days?

[ExtraT]

For a brief moment, I thought you are an intelligent (but misguided) man. Now I see that you are not. Keep up the good work! :lol:



The difference between a average man and a average women is that the women is not retarded enough to run 20 km with a stretcher and thus kill the man on it. :roll:
I'm afraid it's not that balck and white. Ask any medic, and he will tell.




Did your jewish überbrain actually register that I posted pics of swedish soldiers doing that very rare stretcher-carrying that is only done in "serious armies"?


My original post was in reply to the man boasting about APCs that carry all the heavy ****, and thus allowing women to serve. It's very good (for the Swedish army) that this man was actually mistaken.




When I myself felt that my back was going to get screwed up when doing something during a exercise I simply stopped doing it. Why didn´t you?


Because I wasn't on an excercise, I was on a mission. And even on excercises quitting because my back hurts was not an option. That's the price of operational deployment.



Actually I don´t think for a second that this is the case, it´s just poor old ExtraT that has a wild imagination and a broken back because he didn´t use the correct technique while lifting heavy stuff at the local gym to impress da girls, and sure as hell didn´t get any compensation money so he´s just a little pissed of now... I mean has Javehn and the other ones complained about this? No.


When I said "broken back" I didn't mean "disability". It is , of course, a rare case that IDF soldiers come out with a disability after service. But a lot of them definetly come out "slightly damaged". That's the price of operational deployment.



And I guess you are reffering to that "Syrian piece of ****"-army that kicked your asses in Lebanon and has been keeping them out of being a Israeli province to these days?

NOBODY kicked our asses in Lebanon. As much as you may like the "glorious" picture of "freedom fighting" Hisb'allah kicking out "brutal Zionist occupants" - this is not what happened. In fact, in end of 90s we finally dug in there properly, and could have stayed there for 10 more years. The withdrawal was ordered by the motherf#$%ing piece of **** Ehud Barak. The current "intifada" is, in great part, a direct result of this withdrawal (Araft decided that IDF is weak). Not to mention that we betrayed our allies, and all our soldiered that were killed there in almost 20 years.

As for Syrian army - it is piece of ****. Their debacle of 1973 is concidered a classic example of an army not ready for war.

[JunglistSoldier]

... we have staff that can ride in APC's and while riding in APC's they don't have to carry their **** around.


That's just super. And if the APC breaks down, and there is a wounded man that needs to be carried 20km to a place where he will get care? And if the radio is broken, and you can't call medevac? If the people are physically capable to run these 20km with the guy on the stretcher, and at the same time remain functional soldiers (cause it's war), then the guy lives. And if they can't - then he dies. The difference between an AVERAGE man and an AVERAGE woman is that woman will burn out much sooner.



Sadly the combat effectivness of an army isn't measured in bad backs.

I'm afraid it is (among other things). Ask any real soldier from a serious army, and he will tell you that his service had effect on his health. Military duty in modern armies always involves physical strains, and these strains cause health problems, it's as simple as that.

This raises a funny story. I know an ex Syrian officer in Montreal, and he has a back problem. So I thought it was from his past military service and I told him that - and he told me (in an offended voice): "I was an officer, not a private - I wasn't straining my back". It was then and there that I fully understood why Syrian army is such a piece of ****. :)


Then again, the first three months of every swedish soldiers training will include alot of rucking, running and fighting among other things. Swedish vehicle crews are more then able to carry their ****, their wounded comrades and all the stretchers in the world.

And for the record - I find it unlikely in an effective army such as Swedens that the average infantryman will have to carry a stretcher for 20 Km. If the PT is stable enough to be carried on a strecher that far, then he is stable enough to wait for casevac. I'm sorry man, but Swedish soldiers ain't the dumbasses you seem to think they are.. =/



Granted the soldiering profession will take it's toll on the body - but from my experience most such injuries occur when the soldier in question simply will not learn proper lifting technique and or is unable to do so.

[JunglistSoldier]

My original post was in reply to the man boasting about APCs that carry all the heavy ****, and thus allowing women to serve. It's very good (for the Swedish army) that this man was actually mistaken.


My post was in no way intended to justify female service on the grounds of them not having to carry their loads if serving on a mech unit. It was intended to say that not all service option involves humping 80 Kg of "mission essential" **** 200 Km's behind enemy lines. There are jobs in the defence proffession that female troopers can handle just as well as their male counterparts.

[ExtraT]

Then again, the first three months of every swedish soldiers training will include alot of rucking, running and fighting among other things. Swedish vehicle crews are more then able to carry their ****, their wounded comrades and all the stretchers in the world.


That's very good. In fact that's the way I expected it. However, this precludes most women soldiers from serving in combat units, if you don't want these units to degrade.



I'm sorry man, but Swedish soldiers ain't the dumbasses you seem to think they are.. =/


My original post was about inability of most women to serve in combat units, because of physical requirements. I was responding to the guy that said "the requirements aren't that high because everything is carried on APCs". I never thought or implied they are dumbasses :)



Granted the soldiering profession will take it's toll on the body - but from my experience most such injuries occur when the soldier in question simply will not learn proper lifting technique and or is unable to do so.

Lifting techniques are very important and are, of course, taught in IDF. But, as they say in Russian: "Quantity transforms into quality": When you wear a ballistic vest, a full harness, a weapon and a helmet all day every day for months at a time (except for leaves every 3 weeks or so) the strain gets to you. And that's just the basic stuff. It doesn't matter what technique you use, and how fit you are you'll end up "slightly damaged".

[ExtraT]

And for the record - I find it unlikely in an effective army such as Swedens that the average infantryman will have to carry a stretcher for 20 Km. If the PT is stable enough to be carried on a strecher that far, then he is stable enough to wait for casevac.


A situation may be different. A unit may be retreating, and if you can't carry your wounded you will have to abandon them. A very ugly prospect.

But let's forget about stretchers - they just happen to be a kind of "holy grail" training in IDF (part of the IDF phylosophy) but there is other physical work we can talk about. I think the tankers around here can give an example or two, eh?

[Gauntlet]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.

I see everyone got excited over this. Yes I know that we're all men with hormones to do what ever it takes to see women exposed. In fact, some of you "made fun" of the Swedish Military for doing that. To me, I think Sweden made a wise choice of making the military unisex. Not so men can be sexully excited throughout the entire Boot Camp but to build comradery.
If you seperate Men and Women they'll be men and women. However if you put both into one group, you'll have a team of disiplined soldiers that doesn't think about the person that will give him cover fire is a women. He thinks of her as a soldier that goes through the same trials as she will.
I would imagine that the Swedish men are a whole lot more disiplined with the opposite *** than here in America. I bet if a man ever harrasses the women, he'll be smacked from Kiruna to his Mom's house! So lay off the Swedes all you adolesents. Their Army is more of an"Army of One".


... but I'll be frank here. That would be pretty hot. :roll: :D

[memphiz]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.

I see everyone got excited over this. Yes I know that we're all men with hormones to do what ever it takes to see women exposed. In fact, some of you "made fun" of the Swedish Military for doing that. To me, I think Sweden made a wise choice of making the military unisex. Not so men can be sexully excited throughout the entire Boot Camp but to build comradery.
If you seperate Men and Women they'll be men and women. However if you put both into one group, you'll have a team of disiplined soldiers that doesn't think about the person that will give him cover fire is a women. He thinks of her as a soldier that goes through the same trials as she will.
I would imagine that the Swedish men are a whole lot more disiplined with the opposite *** than here in America. I bet if a man ever harrasses the women, he'll be smacked from Kiruna to his Mom's house! So lay off the Swedes all you adolesents. Their Army is more of an"Army of One".


... but I'll be frank here. That would be pretty hot. :roll: :D
i agree with Gauntlet

[Jack Mehoff]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.

I see everyone got excited over this. Yes I know that we're all men with hormones to do what ever it takes to see women exposed. In fact, some of you "made fun" of the Swedish Military for doing that. To me, I think Sweden made a wise choice of making the military unisex. Not so men can be sexully excited throughout the entire Boot Camp but to build comradery.
If you seperate Men and Women they'll be men and women. However if you put both into one group, you'll have a team of disiplined soldiers that doesn't think about the person that will give him cover fire is a women. He thinks of her as a soldier that goes through the same trials as she will.
I would imagine that the Swedish men are a whole lot more disiplined with the opposite *** than here in America. I bet if a man ever harrasses the women, he'll be smacked from Kiruna to his Mom's house! So lay off the Swedes all you adolesents. Their Army is more of an"Army of One".


... but I'll be frank here. That would be pretty hot. :roll: :D

How do you turn 18 year old male recruits into sexless machine? Is that humanely possible? Unless they are homo****** or something. Professional, educated with high status people in any society still commit adultery and you are talking about a bunch of 18 year old male conscript here.

Discuss

[pfclee]

Republic of Korea SOP Unit

http://linux.ntcast.com:8000/~fosho/gallery/albums/album02/specwo2.jpg

:)

[Jack Mehoff]

SOP :lol:

[redhawk_six]

Women in the army, why?!

Because they can fight just as well as men, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be, only BS based on sexist, illogical arguments.
Stop call me sexist and thing like that. I'm absolutly not sexist, I'm just realist. You know as I do. There is no women in the U.S special forces, why? Because is natural that men is a better warrior. A men is physical and mental stronger then a women. Cold facts.

Or, it could be that the US doesn't allow women into front-line, combat units.

And you are sexist, I know many women who are 10x stronger than any man I know.

Women are not mentally or physically weaker than men, THAT is cold hard fact. It's been proven. End of disscussion.

How many women do you even know personally? I'm guessing not many at all. And have you even been in the military?

[Juvenile1]

Mustamato...HAVE YOU ever served in the military? I'm assuming either you have not, which would account for your asinine conclusions or else, your service experience was in a unit that placed no demand on physical capacity (i.e., technician). If you have the slightest (and i really do mean that! we don't all have to be kinesiologists to reason the obvious) understanding of human physiology (I don't mean to be condecending, really!)concerning the differences between the male and female ***, then you would not conclude that women can perform on an even keal with men, in a physically demanding battlefield situation.

Now i personally have not served in the military (though i have relatives in two scandinavian SF units - that's all I can commit myself to saying, sorry - ps. i realize some now see an opportunity to invalidate my opinion - fire away...) but I do however live a life style that promotes personal fitness. I am quite aware that as a male i will both develop more muscle and be able to do so faster. Moreover, since my body uses oxygen with approximately 30% more efficiency, i am able not only to sustain an intense workout, but also to achieve a higher intensity during that workout. The hormone testosterone (the presence of which varries from male to male...really i'm not making fun of you!) does not merely affect the physiology of "said subject" (as some narrowminded folks appear to believe) but also his psycology; i.e., cognisense, motor control etc, (an interesting study was just done at Macmaster University regarding this...check the latest psy journals for further info).

Furthermore, I might suggest you look at certain trends in our society as a way for understanding the concious drive (almost necessity) to incorporate women into the military. The drive for perpetual peace is seen to be the product of a social order that deprives men the right to act in decisive, perhaps, destrutive ways. It sort of reminds me of the peace that arose half way through the Peloponneisan war; it didn't last because young men, as young men often like to do, decided that they wanted to fight; similarly (if you'll excuse my indulgence, i'm taking a course in this historical genre) Native American unrest often conincided with the rise of young men to prominence in the community (i'm thinking primarily of the Iroquoi confederacy around the turn of the 17th century - i know these examples are obscure in the face of human history lol, but they are indicitive of a trend). My point is, regardless of how our social governments attempt to spin the nature of the male/female relationship, a surface tension of male agression will continue to exist (i.e. which, today, might be most reognizable to us in the form family violence - a truly sad phenomenon!). As a 6'6, 236lb male (I'm a natural athlete, objectively speaking, if you can say the same, ok, but be objective!) I can assure you, my capacity to fight would far excede not only many of your capacities, but also that of every women. All i know is, if i ever have to go off to combat to protect those people and values that i love, then i would like to have the best chance of returning home, safe and intact. And i truly believe that such an outcome would rest most assuredly in the hands of someone 6'8, 280lbs... just kidding =) but you get the point.

So much to say about this topic, so little time. As for those of you who can ratinoalize the battle cry "equality at the cost of individuality (life and liberty)", I have little hope that anything i've said will revirbirate in that spongy mass between your ears. As it is with many men, to hear ones own words, is to hear what is most sage - and so, like the grub street writers you are, I prepare myself for the inevitable barrage of half-contemplated ideas, partially digested conclusions and the hoard of uncivilized jibberish that you will send my way, key stroke as it were mortifying cannon shot.

So, I bid you adieu/Farvel

[soma]

Females are an uncessary destraction, and quite frankly I wish they weren't "classified" or treated differently because they were women. They shouldn't be glorified, or pointed out :|

[citizen-k]

... we have staff that can ride in APC's and while riding in APC's they don't have to carry their **** around.


That's just super. And if the APC breaks down, and there is a wounded man that needs to be carried 20km to a place where he will get care? And if the radio is broken, and you can't call medevac? If the people are physically capable to run these 20km with the guy on the stretcher, and at the same time remain functional soldiers (cause it's war), then the guy lives. And if they can't - then he dies. The difference between an AVERAGE man and an AVERAGE woman is that woman will burn out much sooner.

The difference between a average man and a average women is that the women is not retarded enough to run 20 km with a stretcher and thus kill the man on it. :roll:




Sadly the combat effectivness of an army isn't measured in bad backs.

I'm afraid it is (among other things). Ask any real soldier from a serious army, and he will tell you that his service had effect on his health. Military duty in modern armies always involves physical strains, and these strains cause health problems, it's as simple as that.

This raises a funny story. I know an ex Syrian officer in Montreal, and he has a back problem. So I thought it was from his past military service and I told him that - and he told me (in an offended voice): "I was an officer, not a private - I wasn't straining my back". It was then and there that I fully understood why Syrian army is such a piece of ****. :)

Did your jewish überbrain actually register that I posted pics of swedish soldiers doing that very rare stretcher-carrying that is only done in "serious armies"? And if it did, then explain to me the difference between jewish and swedish backs, and why the swedish backs didn´t break in the same extenth? When I myself felt that my back was going to get screwed up when doing something during a exercise I simply stopped doing it. Why didn´t you?

By the way it´s severely retarded by a country to ruin the backs of the finest soldiers that would be invalids for the rest of the live and not being to much use for the rest of the society. Actually I don´t think for a second that this is the case, it´s just poor old ExtraT that has a wild imagination and a broken back because he didn´t use the correct technique while lifting heavy stuff at the local gym to impress da girls, and sure as hell didn´t get any compensation money so he´s just a little pissed of now... I mean has Javehn and the other ones complained about this? No.

And I guess you are reffering to that "Syrian piece of ****"-army that kicked your asses in Lebanon and has been keeping them out of being a Israeli province to these days?

rofl rofl rofl

Man, YOUR DUMB!

You don't REALY know anything about Israel do you? And the fact you refer every Israeli or IDF soldior as "Jew" expose your point of view...

1980: Israel vs Syria dog fights: 93:0 !!! so who kicked who's ass?

1973: If it wasn't for the UN I guess I would have been writing this reply froma coffee shop in Damascus.

As for lebanon, the IDF got out after fighting the Hizbullah (Iran) with Syrian support and not against the syrian army.

2003: Israeli F-16's flying over the Syrian presidents palace on his birthday "telling" him that if he will not stop his support for terror - he is next!

2003: IAF bombing a syrian terror training camp IN SYRIA with out any reaction from the syrian army. (what can they do?)

Do us all a favor and leave your "jew" comments and twisted history to yourself, Dumb ass #2.

[redhawk_six]

Here's a crazy idea, less arguing about stupid people's comments, and more photos. :roll:

[Javehn]

Hell , i thought i am gonna see some new kick ass pictures of ladies .. :(
Everybody , settle down please .



About the women in army , like i said , i personally wouldn't like one next to me , when the **** hit's the fans .Woman for a fact can carry less weight then the men , even it is not so matter in this day army . But they do however have much short heart-lung coordination , and i saw how fast woman loader in tank getting tired , after non stop loading drill (we have woman instructors ) . That can be great disadvantage in fighting . Also , places when the unit spends a lot of days in the field , without basic higienic needs , like normal toilet , or shower , makes it very hard for women , when they need much more intense higienic condittions then pig-men ( i saw once program when US troops had they own "field showers" every time they were out on field . Pretty funny ) .

[Wacko]

Women in the army, why?!

Because they can fight just as well as men, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be, only BS based on sexist, illogical arguments.
Stop call me sexist and thing like that. I'm absolutly not sexist, I'm just realist. You know as I do. There is no women in the U.S special forces, why? Because is natural that men is a better warrior. A men is physical and mental stronger then a women. Cold facts.

Or, it could be that the US doesn't allow women into front-line, combat units.

And you are sexist, I know many women who are 10x stronger than any man I know.

Women are not mentally or physically weaker than men, THAT is cold hard fact. It's been proven. End of disscussion.

How many women do you even know personally? I'm guessing not many at all. And have you even been in the military?
Yea, Women is 10X stronger then men....... :roll:
Let´s wake up from the dream and go back to the reality. :|
And of course US army allow women in Special forces and the Rangers.
You talking so much ****. :bash:
I don't know how weak the Canadian men are...........

[redhawk_six]

Women in the army, why?!

Because they can fight just as well as men, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be, only BS based on sexist, illogical arguments.
Stop call me sexist and thing like that. I'm absolutly not sexist, I'm just realist. You know as I do. There is no women in the U.S special forces, why? Because is natural that men is a better warrior. A men is physical and mental stronger then a women. Cold facts.

Or, it could be that the US doesn't allow women into front-line, combat units.

And you are sexist, I know many women who are 10x stronger than any man I know.

Women are not mentally or physically weaker than men, THAT is cold hard fact. It's been proven. End of disscussion.

How many women do you even know personally? I'm guessing not many at all. And have you even been in the military?
Yea, Women is 10X stronger then men....... :roll:
Let´s wake up from the dream and go back to the reality. :|

It is reality, I have one friend that's a personal trainer, at 18. Would you like to meet her? See if your dumbass is as tough as you think it is? Truth, she, and most of the women shown in photos in this thread could kick your ass, along with half the guys here, me included.

Now piss off you ****ing troll!

And bring on more photos! No more of these idiot started arguments! We've gone so far offtopic........

[Wacko]

Women in the army, why?!

Because they can fight just as well as men, and there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be, only BS based on sexist, illogical arguments.
Stop call me sexist and thing like that. I'm absolutly not sexist, I'm just realist. You know as I do. There is no women in the U.S special forces, why? Because is natural that men is a better warrior. A men is physical and mental stronger then a women. Cold facts.

Or, it could be that the US doesn't allow women into front-line, combat units.

And you are sexist, I know many women who are 10x stronger than any man I know.

Women are not mentally or physically weaker than men, THAT is cold hard fact. It's been proven. End of disscussion.

How many women do you even know personally? I'm guessing not many at all. And have you even been in the military?
Yea, Women is 10X stronger then men....... :roll:
Let´s wake up from the dream and go back to the reality. :|

It is reality, I have one friend that's a personal trainer, at 18. Would you like to meet her? See if your dumbass is as tough as you think it is? Truth, she, and most of the women shown in photos in this thread could kick your ass, along with half the guys here, me included.

Now piss off you f*** troll!

And bring on more photos! No more of these idiot started arguments! We've gone so far offtopic........
Haha, I don't think so...

[citizen-k]

http://www.snunit.k12.il/sachlav/noar/main/upload/images/chayalot4.jpg

[Upfrontreporting]

Jeeze I'm glad this is the Internet, I can just disregard this thread.

[mustamato]

@ Aah Jack, it´s rather 20 year old conscripts more than 18, all swedish conscripts has finished 3 years of high school. Not that 2 years is that much really, but it means that t he average conscript has seen a couple of more naked girls in his days and therefore is better suited to see the naked bodies of his fellow soldiers.

This thing ExtraT claims, that "operational duty" (which I guess means facing stonethrowing palestinians kids, patrolling or standing at some chechpoint?) in IDF breaks your back, that is quite fascinating. When you see IDF on TV or on idf.il I don´t see any reasons for that really. They are not more heavily equipped than any other soldiers in the rest of the developed world. We had our damn helmet on us all the time, just as our bodyarmour, our combat belt, our assault rifle and all that as well. What the hell is the difference? Anyway:

________________________________________________

Male and female IDF soldiers participating in a "commander's course" took part in a week of field exercises. During the week, the trainees took part in individual exercises, group drills, grenade use, target practice, and combat practice in urban areas.

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/december/dotz-13.12.03-01.jpg

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/images/2003/october/dotz-10.10.03-01.jpg

[citizen-k]

http://www.isayeret.com/sniping/m89d.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/sniping/sniper-school-2.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/sniping/girl-8.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/gear/witness/sniper.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/sws/m24/sniper-school-3.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/multimedia/collage/sniping-collgae.jpg

[Javehn]

This thing ExtraT claims, that "operational duty" (which I guess means facing stonethrowing palestinians kids, patrolling or standing at some chechpoint?) in IDF breaks your back, that is quite fascinating. When you see IDF on TV or on idf.il I don´t see any reasons for that really. They are not more heavily equipped than any other soldiers in the rest of the developed world. We had our damn helmet on us all the time, just as our bodyarmour, our combat belt, our assault rifle and all that as well. What the hell is the difference?


I have to agree . Our soldiers carry more or less the same things , like every other armies in the world carry ( we do run , and travel however 3 times more in trainings , then other armies ) . The problem with knees and backs are , unfortunatly , product of Israeli lack of awareness to sport . As someone that came from Russia , i can say that Israeli youth dedicate far less to different types of sports , then it was in Russia . That one hits back in army , when soldiers supposed to perform different hard tasks , and not everybody can't stand this . But however , and that one for shure , while the IDF soldiers ( and women) carry more or less the same weght as the rest armies in the world , the exersizes performed with them are far bigger then other armies ( those days however , it's getting smaller and smaller ) .

[Glock]

Austria:
http://www.bmlv.gv.at/karriere/frauen/images/n_004.jpg
http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/soldatin_3_864x595_1057194145.jpg

Greating Leo

[mustamato]

Damn, those Austrian women were nice. More Steyrs, from Kosovo this time:

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/rauhanturvaajat/get2data.php3?id=49

http://tietokannat.mil.fi/rauhanturvaajat/get2data.php3?id=48

[Javehn]

http://www.bmlv.gv.at/images_skaliert/soldatin_3_864x595_1057194145.jpg

Yeha !! Spank my bottom baby ! Let's shag now , or let's shag later ?
That's a fine ass quallity you got there . I think she enjoy holding not only rifles , if you know what i mean . :oops:

[Marmot1]

Just to prove that women can carry a lot much than probably all of you can :-)

http://priv.ciechnet.pl/dso/wrobel2.gif
http://priv.ciechnet.pl/dso/dso91.jpg
http://priv.ciechnet.pl/dso/wrobel.gif

And some women in polish army...

http://www.amw.gdynia.pl/czernica_2003_2.gif
in command - pchor. Agnieszka GUZ

http://www.kobiety.pl/radadskobiet/img/konf4_2001.jpg
http://www.kobiety.pl/img/rada5.jpg

http://www.kobiety.pl/img/bszubinska.jpg
kmdr por. Bożena Szubińska
(Lt colonel -navy)



http://www.kobiety.pl/img/radamw4.jpg

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http://www.kobiety.pl/img/radamw5.jpg

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[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

Hi Jack Mehoff. You are right I have never seen a pic of a woman in chechnya besides as medics. I have seen pics of Nurses in those huge ass tents carring for the wounded. Maybe when Russia has a full Professional Army then women might serve more roles.

BTW GREAT PICS EVERYONE.

[Loco]

:roll:
This thread raised really long, and some opinions are rather...well.
Other thing than that, looking at experiences of different armies through the world in XX century, and in conditions of war or peace, I have my own conclusion: In normal conditions, women aren´t needed for military forces, at least first line units(special forces or regular forces, the same), but when the war begins and losses raise, women can fight, actually they must fight in many cases, and many women are really good fighting with good motivation and training, but only will be used women when conditions are difficult: that is, when the best young and strong men between 20 and 35 years aren´t enough for filling units. Americans can correct me if I´m wrong, but I think the north vietnamese regular forces who fought americans hadn´t women, because they could recruit young men and training them properly in N.Vietnam, while in the South, vietcong used anyone who could grasp a weapon, being a woman or a teenager. If I see photos of first war in Palestine, when israleis used all human resources they had, there are women fighting but in the nexts wars, when Israel was well organized, the photos only shows young and trained male soldiers. In the case of spanish civil war, women fought mainly in the begining of war in republican side when the most of army and all professional units were in the rebel side, only when the Republic could reorganize a new army with regular forces, women were replaced even they remain in some units, but by then they were a minority.
And regarding Sweden and swedish women, well, although I´m agnostic, God bless them. I think some people here really envy swedish, ;) p-) that´s why some angry posts were written.
They were the most nicest invaders of spanish shores in all history, and I´m serious in this. All tourist, but namely swedish women, had a beneficial effect over spanish population 40 years ago, when our Dictator was very alive and Spain was a grey and silent country, they showed spanish men and women other way of living and a lot of tolerance. A lot of comedy films were made in the 60´s in Spain about this "invassion". It´s surprising some americans don´t "understand" swedish army, I thought you had more open points of view!!
http://www.antonioburgos.com/memorias/1999/03/images/27landa.jpg
In this sketch one is a swedish girl, adivine who, and the other two are Alfredo Landa and José Luis López Vázquez, who did many movies about "suecas".
Viva Suecia y las suecas!!!

[Jack Mehoff]

Feminine needs of course. I have not yet meet a decent, normal woman who willingly to change her clothes and use the same restroom with the men. Not that i'm complaining but that doesn't sound very normal.

But I wouldnt recommend you to think of swedish women or men as the american ones, we have a differrent culture here. Think of the finnish sauna-culture in example, nakedness is not the same thing as ***, atleast not here. And I guess it´s about political correctnes as well. Sweden is the worlds most equal country, (in example the government has more than 50% female ministers). I have no idea how they do in submarines, but I think that we can stop thinking "Das Boot", as you can see from the picture i posted modern submarines are a little more sophisticated than that, I guess that also goes for the beds which no more is only a blanket over some torpedo. They probably have a little more privacy these days.





I'm confused

You wrote:

So maybe the man that refused to give her a assignment was just thinking of her. I don´t think that her face is perfect either, but just imagine her body, and a couple of horny boys that has been out in the forest for three weeks. And there has sadly been ****** harassment and such in the past.

[TALOS]

Or, it could be that the US doesn't allow women into front-line, combat units.

And you are sexist, I know many women who are 10x stronger than any man I know.
SOME women maybe, the points bein made are women on AVERAGE.


Women are not ... physically weaker than men, THAT is cold hard fact. It's been proven. End of disscussion.
Proven where? I'd like to see that cuz its just not true. (I removed the mentally part cuz that IS true)

[Jack Mehoff]

Or, it could be that the US doesn't allow women into front-line, combat units.

And you are sexist, I know many women who are 10x stronger than any man I know.
SOME women maybe, the points bein made are women on AVERAGE.


Women are not ... physically weaker than men, THAT is cold hard fact. It's been proven. End of disscussion.
Proven where? I'd like to see that cuz its just not true. (I removed the mentally part cuz that IS true)

Women on the average are way weaker and smaller than men, thats why you don't see women compete with men in sports. I'm sure anybody with an IQ of a monkey with brain tumor already figure that out

[haze99]

Well, so much for just having the pictures. (Great ones in this thread, keep sending them) Could we cut down on the debate and just view the pictures.

[Haiw]

Am I the only one generating a headache from reading vacos posts?

[Gauntlet]

The things is in Sweden that the women do everything with the boys, take showers and all that. And there is that classical thing you do the first day, everyone is standing in line and undress, then you take your army underwear on, then you are on the first steps of becoming a soldier. The girls in our company refused to undress everything. So it´s a bit complicated, usually they however get used to being naked with all the boys quite quickly, because they must.

I see everyone got excited over this. Yes I know that we're all men with hormones to do what ever it takes to see women exposed. In fact, some of you "made fun" of the Swedish Military for doing that. To me, I think Sweden made a wise choice of making the military unisex. Not so men can be sexully excited throughout the entire Boot Camp but to build comradery.
If you seperate Men and Women they'll be men and women. However if you put both into one group, you'll have a team of disiplined soldiers that doesn't think about the person that will give him cover fire is a women. He thinks of her as a soldier that goes through the same trials as she will.
I would imagine that the Swedish men are a whole lot more disiplined with the opposite *** than here in America. I bet if a man ever harrasses the women, he'll be smacked from Kiruna to his Mom's house! So lay off the Swedes all you adolesents. Their Army is more of an"Army of One".


... but I'll be frank here. That would be pretty hot. :roll: :D

How do you turn 18 year old male recruits into sexless machine? Is that humanely possible? Unless they are homo****** or something. Professional, educated with high status people in any society still commit adultery and you are talking about a bunch of 18 year old male conscript here.

Discuss

Sexless? Hardly! I'm those guys can takes glances at that naked girl. In fact, the woman gets used to it I bet seeing as how she glances at the boys ;) .
I'm saying that the kids get disiplined so that they don't see a female but another soldier. But they'll see her as a women on R&R.

[[AFSOC]]

K..

First of all for ya'll critisizing about having women in the military.... why do you even care?

Are that gay? You dont like presence of women around you? Sometimes i wonder...

[Gauntlet]

I love women. I love women in the military.

Athletic women turn me on. ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

I love women. I love women in the military.

Athletic women turn me on. ;)

Discipline you say? :lol:


Sexless? Hardly! I'm those guys can takes glances at that naked girl. In fact, the woman gets used to it I bet seeing as how she glances at the boys .
I'm saying that the kids get disiplined so that they don't see a female but another soldier. But they'll see her as a women on R&R.

[Jack Mehoff]

Who here is discipline enough to keep their snake down when this Swedish chick undressing and taking a steamy shower right next to you? Didn't you know the ***** has a mind of its own? :lol:


http://www.aftonbladet.se/kvinna/0211/20/sabrina-129682-229012_368.jpg
Some swedish girl that a newspaper wrote about, she
wasn´t allowed to do military service because she was
too beautiful. But of course after media had published
the story she was...[/quote]

[Haiw]

I'm fairly certain that, whether I'd want to or not, I'd give her a low salute...

[mustamato]

Oh Jack. You should really have listened a little better during the history classes in elementary school (not sure you americans have history lessons that concerns anything before 1776 though?). But anyway I can inform that you that homo sapiens sapiens are biological creatures, and after hundreds of thousands of years of development mother nature gave us humans the ability to be horny and to have *** because it feels good. Kinda like the dolphins that also has *** because it feels good while many other animals don´t.

That´s the biological explanation. And as you may have noticed different people have different cultures. In warmer countries, say Africa women can be topless without anyone giving a fokk about it. But if you saw the girl you masturbated about in 9th grade you would probably get turned on aight? So the answer is that swedish boys and girls can shower together without necessarily getting horny, just as they can be in a sauna together. Although certain individuals, like Vaco in example produce more male hormons than is normal for the average guy, and become perverts and start to harass the girls. They are simply sick and not normal. Maybe the man that refused the girl to give her a assignment was one of those, becuse he was thinking of what he would have done with her? It seems that people that oppress their feelings become more perverts than those that don´t. In example I´ve heard many reports that afghani men are real nasty directly when they see little bare flesh. That´s because they are not used, strange when their women look like this?

http://homepage2.nifty.com/asiana/column/burqa.jpg

Summary = Nakedness is not the same thing as ***. Although I also think that this showering together is quite unnecessary. The official excuse is that the girls must get used, because during a NBC-exercise they must undress anything anyway when it´s time to clean yourself. Wouldn´t be that good for them to have some leftover strong training gas there under the underwear they would refuse to take of.

[Jack Mehoff]

Oh Jack. You should really have listened a little better during the history classes in elementary school (not sure you americans have history lessons that concerns anything before 1776 though?). But anyway I can inform that you that homo sapiens sapiens are biological creatures, and after hundreds of thousands of years of development mother nature gave us humans the ability to be horny and to have *** because it feels good. Kinda like the dolphins that also has *** because it feels good while many other animals don´t.

That´s the biological explanation. And as you may have noticed different people have different cultures. In warmer countries, say Africa women can be topless without anyone giving a fokk about it. But if you saw the girl you masturbated about in 9th grade you would probably get turned on aight? So the answer is that swedish boys and girls can shower together without necessarily getting horny, just as they can be in a sauna together. Although certain individuals, like Vaco in example produce more male hormons than is normal for the average guy, and become perverts and start to harass the girls. They are simply sick and not normal. Maybe the man that refused the girl to give her a assignment was one of those, becuse he was thinking of what he would have done with her?

Summary = Nakedness is not the same thing as ***. Although I also think that this showering together is quite unnecessary. The official excuse is that the girls must get used, because during a NBC-exercise they must undress anything anyway when it´s time to clean yourself. Wouldn´t be that good for them to have some leftover strong training gas there under the underwear they would refuse to take of.

But you wrote:


So maybe the man that refused to give her a assignment was just thinking of her. I don´t think that her face is perfect either, but just imagine her body, and a couple of horny boys that has been out in the forest for three weeks. And there has sadly been ****** harassment and such in the past.

[Seoulstriker]

damn

[Jack Mehoff]

Another thing is cultural shock. I'm assuming men and women have their own restroom and public shower in Swedish society, correct? Now all of the sudden you put men and women in the a same restroom in basic training. Would you call that a cultural shock?

[mustamato]

And I reffered to those perverts that produces too much hormons. They are not the standard, but they exist. Kind a like those jackasses that harasses ex-girlfriends.

It isn´t all that difficult to see halfnaked women in Sweden anyway, it´s quite usual during summertime that they dress, hm, a little like that and especially at a beach, then there is not much left over for the imagination. Most swedish conscripts have seen their share amount of naked girls before they see the ones in the military.

And by the way the girls in my company wasn´t all that hot. I had a girlfriend back in the days, sure it was nice to compare but I wouldn´t exactly trade her for the nicest one of those. And I don´t really get turned on by girls that are "masculine" in their way, act like boys.

[Jack Mehoff]

I'd say you Swedish military boys are lucky and you don't even know it

[Seoulstriker]

damn

[Haiw]

Seoul the pics don't work, it asks for a login...

[Juvenile1]

Mustamato whenever i read your posts I can't help but draw a mental picture of the boy (i doubt you're a man...) behind the avatar. In your profile you claim to be a university student...of what exactly?...and what university?...i mean really, are you sure you dont mean community college(?) because that might account for your errent conclusions - i have to admit, I loved your little rant regarding human evolution...but here's a tip, don't talk about things with which you are only slightly acquainted (now if you were a 4th year Anthropology student, it would be another thing, but obviously your not). Frankly speaking, you fit the profile of a wanna-be academic who thinks he is the be all/end all of his small, little world; the village idiot so to speak. Just because you've read a few books from daddy's bookshelf, you do not have the credentials to comment on the opinions of others as though we were some kind of expert - LOL pre-1774 hisotry wasn't it haha. If I were your T.A., I would probably fail you...but ah well...

btw...here's my last post...LOL a little to Johnsonian, but what the hell...

"Mustamato...HAVE YOU ever served in the military? I'm assuming either you have not, which would account for your asinine conclusions or else, your service experience was in a unit that placed no demand on physical capacity (i.e., technician). If you have the slightest (and i really do mean that! we don't all have to be kinesiologists to reason the obvious) understanding of human physiology (I don't mean to be condecending, really!)concerning the differences between the male and female ***, then you would not conclude that women can perform on an even keal with men, in a physically demanding battlefield situation.

Now i personally have not served in the military (though i have relatives in two scandinavian SF units - that's all I can commit myself to saying, sorry - ps. i realize some now see an opportunity to invalidate my opinion - fire away...) but I do however live a life style that promotes personal fitness. I am quite aware that as a male i will both develop more muscle and be able to do so faster. Moreover, since my body uses oxygen with approximately 30% more efficiency, i am able not only to sustain an intense workout, but also to achieve a higher intensity during that workout. The hormone testosterone (the presence of which varries from male to male...really i'm not making fun of you!) does not merely affect the physiology of "said subject" (as some narrowminded folks appear to believe) but also his psycology; i.e., cognisense, motor control etc, (an interesting study was just done at Macmaster University regarding this...check the latest psy journals for further info).

Furthermore, I might suggest you look at certain trends in our society as a way for understanding the concious drive (almost necessity) to incorporate women into the military. The drive for perpetual peace is seen to be the product of a social order that deprives men the right to act in decisive, perhaps, destrutive ways. It sort of reminds me of the peace that arose half way through the Peloponneisan war; it didn't last because young men, as young men often like to do, decided that they wanted to fight; similarly (if you'll excuse my indulgence, i'm taking a course in this historical genre) Native American unrest often conincided with the rise of young men to prominence in the community (i'm thinking primarily of the Iroquoi confederacy around the turn of the 17th century - i know these examples are obscure in the face of human history lol, but they are indicitive of a trend). My point is, regardless of how our social governments attempt to spin the nature of the male/female relationship, a surface tension of male agression will continue to exist (i.e. which, today, might be most reognizable to us in the form family violence - a truly sad phenomenon!). As a 6'6, 236lb male (I'm a natural athlete, objectively speaking, if you can say the same, ok, but be objective!) I can assure you, my capacity to fight would far excede not only many of your capacities, but also that of every women. All i know is, if i ever have to go off to combat to protect those people and values that i love, then i would like to have the best chance of returning home, safe and intact. And i truly believe that such an outcome would rest most assuredly in the hands of someone 6'8, 280lbs... just kidding =) but you get the point.

So much to say about this topic, so little time. As for those of you who can rationalize the battle cry "equality at the cost of individuality (life and liberty)", I have little hope that anything i've said will revirbirate in that spongy mass between your ears. As it is with many men, to hear ones own words, is to hear what is most sage - and so, like the grub street writers you are, I prepare myself for the inevitable barrage of half-contemplated ideas, partially digested conclusions and the hoard of uncivilized jibberish that you will send my way, key stroke as it were mortifying cannon shot."

Farvel
[/i]

[mustamato]

Juvenile. You are one strange one, as for your question if I have served or not, check out this thread, I´ve said things several times that should give you a hint of I have done it or not. And yep, I´m a University student nowadays. And about this with humans and their developing it should be pointed out that americans and europeans have quite different views on how to approach this. In example the field of archaeology is in Europe found in the humanistic faculties, together with language(s), history and so forth, while in US it is bunted together with anthropology, and such. This due to the simple fact that US is still influenced by the processual archaeology (Lewis R. Binford etc) while we have moved on to the post-processual archaeology. And of course the students are learnt different versions.

Short version = There are even among the professors and the scholars different opinions. So your point was?

[Juvenile1]

Oh I'm terribly sorry, the neuonces of English sarcasm are often difficult to understand to non-fluent speakers. I understand, it took me a while to learn how to "think" in Dansk and Espanol...

My point was, LOL, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't care how Europeans classify the studies of human devlopment (as a humanity or science). It appears your limitations with the English language, mainly semantics, is the casue of the mis-understanding. You see in English (n.american) Anthropology is defined as: the study of hunmankind in all of it's aspects, particularly human development. In otherwords, focus on concepts not semantics.

My criticism concerned your description of human developent, which was obviously ad-hoc (i.e., not informed). You do that alot. Hence my criticism.

Farvel

[Seoulstriker]

how about now?

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20babe.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20babe2.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20babe3.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20babe.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg
http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20babes1.jpg

[mustamato]

My point was, LOL, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't care how Europeans classify the studies of human devlopment (as a humanity or science). It appears your limitations with the English language, mainly semantics, is the casue of the mis-understanding. You see in English (n.american) Anthropology is defined as: the study of hunmankind in all of it's aspects, particularly human development. In otherwords, focus on concepts not semantics.

Yeah, I already said that in my previous post. Read it again. Your english is really top notch. Atleast I have a excuse, it´s not my first language (nor the second). So what´s yours? :roll:

_________________________________________

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg

Female paratroopers? One of them has that red beret. Hm?

[Juvenile1]

Uhm ok... I'm glad you now understand what anthropology means (in english) since apparently you didn't before - I guess you tripped yourself up on the difference between semantics and concepts. My syntax, grammar and spelling are all superb. Occasional mistakes are inevitable when using an imperfect interface...that's life so what? My criticism, once again (for the 3rd time, try to understand!), was levied against your arrogance (hope you continue to improve your reading proficiency!). You're not particullarly smart or dull, mediocre perhaps. Anyways this is my last post here, i dislike internet bantering. I just felt an uncontrollable desire to remonstrate with you. BTW, I speak 3 languages with precision - try it sometime.

Farvel.

[mustamato]

Uhm ok... I'm glad you now understand what anthropology means (in english) since apparently you didn't before - I guess you tripped yourself up on the difference between semantics and concepts. My syntax, grammar and spelling are all superb. Occasional mistakes are inevitable when using an imperfect interface...that's life so what? My criticism, once again (for the 3rd time, try to understand!), was levied against your arrogance (hope you continue to improve your reading proficiency!). You're not particullarly smart or dull, mediocre perhaps. Anyways this is my last post here, i dislike internet bantering. I just felt an uncontrollable desire to remonstrate with you. BTW, I speak 3 languages with precision - try it sometime.

Farvel.

:roll:

[Marxist203]

Somethings to explain about the Swedish army and women in the army.

As a women you are not forced to do military service, its up to you if you want to do it thats why all "commercial" (spelling sorry) for women to get in the army, also there isnt much women in the army anyway.
You dont have to do commercial for men to join the army beacuse they must attend to recruting office (dunno if its the right word to use) bhut they dont need to do it if not the army thinks you have speciall skills, bhut if you do it you get alot of bonus as drivinglicens for bigger trucks, guard training so you have almost all the things you need to be a security guard, it depends on what post you getting in and what bonus you will have.

The Swedish army are batterling hard budgetcuts.

Even our future queen have done military service and tell me how many countrys can say that.

Sweden havent been to war in about 300 years.

The primary swedish army around the world are peacekeepin.
you seems to be a smart swede. Exacltly. The Swedish miitary has no experence. They "think" women is much better then men? the Swedish Royal army must be one of the most unfit army in west.

I think you're one of the most unfit thinkers in the west. If you can attract more women into the army you can try and convince them to take up occupational trades. Seeing as they would free up more spaces for men to join the infantry its a great idea to attract women into the military. I see no reason why not to put women into combat vehicles including Main Battle Tanks, personell carriers and aircraft...seeing as they would probably have no direct contact with enemy forces and wouldn't have to carry supplies on their back.

Now shut up with your sexist bull...anyhow, wouldn't you like to have more women serving alongside of you? I dont know what your definition of a good work environment is, but I dont like working in a "Sausage factory"

[redhawk_six]

Less chating, more pics.

[mustamato]

Less chating, more pics.

Swedish women on peace-keeping missions:

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/miniatyr/fk02_jul03_granbygge1.jpg
Celebrating chrismas in Congo :)
Big: http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/fk02_jul03_granbygge1.jpg

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/miniatyr/fk02_barnhem031225_petra_me.jpg
Congo
Big: http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/fk02_barnhem031225_petra_me.jpg

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/gun_liten.jpg
Celebrating christmas in Kosovo

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/a9_7jan_matsbojana.jpg
Helping out elderly in Kosovo

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/fs06-v401-gott-nytt-280.jpg
Drinking in the new year in Afghanistan,
(yeah, no desert uniforms)

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/hem9dec4.jpg
Rotation of troops in Kosovo

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/fk02-overlamning-cftk.jpg
Troops heading to Congo are visited, I guess
the short ones are women :)

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/fs06-v349-rivning.jpg
Afghanistan, don´t know what they are doing though

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/kisnicakarin.jpg
2nd Lieutenant Karin Andersson and a Minimi

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/leni22.jpg
Here is a pic for Vaco, swedish defence minister Leni
Björklund on patrol in Kosovo. HAHA, I bet that´s the first
time in her life she has even touched a weapon. :D

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/fk01-hogskoleprov3.jpg
On their way to write (swedish) University passing tests in Congo

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/nse30okt.jpg
Staff in Kosovo

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/coin1.jpg
Swedish Anna Görman gets a "coin" from a american general,
because of a thing she said in the TV-show "Good morning
Pristina" that the general liked. The general:
- Incredible when you were patrolling that town.whatever town it was.which town was that?
- Pristina, says Anna.
- Yeah right, Pristina, says the general.

Americans :D

[citizen-k]

My point was, LOL, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't care how Europeans classify the studies of human devlopment (as a humanity or science). It appears your limitations with the English language, mainly semantics, is the casue of the mis-understanding. You see in English (n.american) Anthropology is defined as: the study of hunmankind in all of it's aspects, particularly human development. In otherwords, focus on concepts not semantics.

Yeah, I already said that in my previous post. Read it again. Your english is really top notch. Atleast I have a excuse, it´s not my first language (nor the second). So what´s yours? :roll:

_________________________________________

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg

Female paratroopers? One of them has that red beret. Hm?

Yep.

There are females with a red beret, some even actually parachuted (but they are not in active combat, usualy its a "gift" and some are parachuting instructors I think)

There are even some female pilots and many other "active combat" in the IDF.

[dm82247]

I think it is great that women are in the military. In todays socioty women are becoming more and more self sufficent and this is just another way or them to show that. This isent the 40's&50's where women where house wifes. Now days it is mre and more common to see women in the workplace of men doing the same job do why not the military. some women can do their job in the military better than most men.

[ExtraT]

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg

Female paratroopers? One of them has that red beret. Hm?

Yes, these women serve in the paratrooper brigade, but not as paratroopers. They are radio operators. Note the lightening in the unit's sign - lightening in IDF always means communications.

[citizen-k]

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg

Female paratroopers? One of them has that red beret. Hm?

Yes, these women serve in the paratrooper brigade, but not as paratroopers. They are radio operators. Note the lightening in the unit's sign - lightening in IDF always means communications.

This sign is the sign of the "communication" company of the paratroopers brigade (every brigade has one) the soldiers in this company are infantry soldiors and not "radio operators"

[ExtraT]

This sign is the sign of the "communication" company of the paratroopers brigade (every brigade has one) the soldiers in this company are infantry soldiors and not "radio operators"

Wait a sec. Aren't they "ALHUTANEI YAHASH"? If they are, then they are not normal infantry - they have a considerably shorter infantry training.

[Jester]

http://www.mil.se/int/images/local/leni22.jpg
Here is a pic for Vaco, swedish defence minister Leni
Björklund on patrol in Kosovo. HAHA, I bet that´s the first
time in her life she has even touched a weapon. :D
An for her and the patrol´s safty, she has no Mag on the weapon. PR-gag, not more.

Jester

[Marxist203]

Damn good PR Gag in my opinion...but may'be there is no magazine in the weapon because :o may'be they are walking around a base? or may'be they are in some other secure zone?! whats this?! proper fire arms safety?

You never see Donald Rumsfeld or Geoff Hoon walking around with guns.

[Gauntlet]

Who here is discipline enough to keep their snake down when this Swedish chick undressing and taking a steamy shower right next to you? Didn't you know the ***** has a mind of its own?

No man can hide it. I know that. I said nothing that you can keep the tall tommy settled with enough disipline. All I saying is a soldier with enough disipline can just treat the soldier as another person and talk to her as a person.
But your right... seeing an toned Swedish women glistened in steam is sure a snake charmer and you can't control it.

[Burncycle]

how about now?

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg


Wow... front row, second from right

She could probably whoop my a** but dang.. *drools*

[usa320]

THis thread has been done to death, my only comment is the IDF and USAF have the HOTTEST women.

[mustamato]

THis thread has been done to death, my only comment is the IDF and USAF have the HOTTEST women.

How old are you?

[Seoulstriker]

THis thread has been done to death, my only comment is the IDF and USAF have the HOTTEST women.

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg

i never get tired of posting this picture.

i'd hit the second and third from the right. the fourth from the right? well, i'd fist that with my long arm. ;)

[Merik]

Hoo-ahh.......

http://www11.kinghost.com/amateur/metro/8/3.jpg


http://40hardcore.paidhosting.com/03/092-299-229/pics/001.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg


I'd hit them all

[The Kop]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p6fca6dfa3e14d6c7629fd357c03d2623/f9e2dbdd.jpg.orig.jpg

PLA in exercise with several former Russian states.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p140768626ad6b8f81ab726ebe2a4cee1/f9e2dbc5.jpg.orig.jpg

Chinese (PRC) SWAT Team

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pb7f282e3c34a2b10df439b96284765a9/f9e2dbbd.jpg.orig.jpg

PLAA

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p4994b4b59e1408a40cd34a8b8af666d2/f9e2dbb7.jpg.orig.jpg

Reserve Unit training course

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p33e5cc3eee6cdc00047b101dd6aeea63/f9e2dbae.jpg.orig.jpg

PLA on Central TV

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p407bd487a514e447bccb784fda4fce3f/f9e2db9f.jpg.orig.jpg

Police

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p47dc213df935aada45fae9c498c87b33/f9e2db92.jpg.orig.jpg


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p922bbfeebf40b9c44f5d3a86cf0b2429/f9e2db79.jpg.orig.jpg

PLA in 60s

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[The Kop]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/p32ca81029259265f9ce488ad7f102bd0/f9e2db21.jpg.orig.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pd1dbaa69915d3b4976c6a11311f5b40e/f9e2dada.jpg.orig.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pf52924690582c6c9d7de10a91eb1a152/f9e2dab0.jpg.orig.jpg

Navy

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pb404adab994c242239a98841fe4543ea/f9e2da28.jpg.orig.jpg

A movie shoot of WW2 Chinese

[Pandy]

http://netfiles.uiuc.edu/pzavisla/hostedmilitaryimages/IDF%20Babes.jpg


I'd hit them all

Same bro, we got something in common huh?

[Chris196]

http://www.mahal2000.com/information/background/women.jpg

Gotta love those Israeli women in the military ;)

[Ghostwolf]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid100/pd1dbaa69915d3b4976c6a11311f5b40e/f9e2dada.jpg.orig.jpg

Kop, THAT is a Korean soldier, not a Chinese Communist Army soldier.
You said you are from HK, right? So do you have any Hong Kong SDU
photos to share with us, and in a new thread if you will please.

[Ghostwolf]

Gotta love those Israeli women in the military ;)
Yup, girls with guns, my favorite.

[The Kop]

I knew she is Korean and I did not state that she was Chinese in my thread, and my title was girl from the East and not China. However, I do agree that my thread might be a little misleading since all my other photo shown were from main land china indeed. So thanks for pointing it our for others.

I do have SDU photos, but it would be annoying for others if I post them under this thread, so I will share them under a new thread or somthing. :)

Some more pictures from Korea, in the north this time.
http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201156460.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201158130.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201159500.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201200140.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201200420.jpg


http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201208470.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201215280.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201217370.jpg

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201218020.jpg

[mustamato]

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201156460.jpg

Thanks for posting these North Korean pictures! There are not all too many (that I have seen atleast) showing them in a kind of "natural way", only staged parade pictures and stuff. It´s important to see them as real humans as well.

Cute girls as well. :)

[Ghostwolf]

I do have SDU photos, but it would be annoying for others if I post them under this thread, so I will share them under a new thread or somthing. :)
Some more pictures from Korea, in the north this time.
Yes please, put the SDU pics under a new thread if you will.
Hmmm, some how I do not find the women in Communist
army uniform to be very attractive, it is so..... Soviet-ish.
No offense BTW.

[mustamato]

Hmmm, some how I do not find the women in Communist army uniform to be very attractive, it is so..... Soviet-ish. No offense BTW.

I would rather say Germany in the 1920´s and 1930´s.

http://top81.qzwww.com/upfile/200312201200140.jpg

When the nazi party was just among many they had this SS and SA that protected their meetings from communists. As I´ve understood it the fights between the communists and nazis were lethal, so they had their guards on both sides, simply ruthless thugs. The nazis was more militaristic obviously so they bought old left-over german brown military uniforms that was originally intended to be used in the german colonies in Africa (that they lost after the first world war 2).

But they didn´t have red stars in their caps though :)

[Loco]

I see Mustamato now shows in his signature all swedish treasures: Volvo, Ikea and the jewel of the crown...Madeleine. Sweden deserves that one fights for her! ;)

[stateofequilibrium]

<sigh> Asian women and uniform.. is there anything more glorious? :-D

[Loco]

Some pictures showed in the spanish MoDefense web, with women in spanish forces:
http://www.mde.es/mde/archivo/archivo3.htm?fotoID=412
She´s in a chekpoint in Trebinje, Bosnia

http://www.mde.es/mde/archivo/archivo3.htm?fotoID=418
A sanitary officer in Nevesnije, Bosnia.

http://www.mde.es/mde/archivo/archivo3.htm?fotoID=165
Second by the left, a female student of the Armada´s Officers College.

http://www.mde.es/mde/archivo/archivo3.htm?fotoID=369
An Armada´s mechanic testing a Sea King´s engine.

http://www.mde.es/mde/archivo/archivo3.htm?fotoID=184
A Leopard´s II crew of División de Infantería mecanizada nº1 managing the aim´s mechanism.

[Yard Ape]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110602/IS2002-6666a.jpgShe is in a Canadian rain coat and she is a woman, but she is not a soldier. She is a Bosnian interpreter.

[Skaman]

http://64.4.26.250/cgi-bin/getmsg/cadpatchick.jpg?curmbox=F000000001&a=fdd7e02455c14c5a96ccdd76ce3ff5ca&msg=MSG1074650147.9&start=2049470&len=41027&mimepart=4&disk=64.4.26.74_d209&login=mattkeelty&domain=hotmail%2ecom&hm___sig=52e97cb201c3dfd23e3f9ab1f2f1a2b30098245404c697ae


drool.....

[Jack Mehoff]

I'd hit it

http://www.cnnenespanol.com/2003/americas/eeuu/09/02/lynch.ap/lynch.story.jpg

http://www.newsandsentinel.com/thefront/lynchphotos/Jessica-Lynch-4.jpg

[cut]

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/data/[(0920)-10-01-2003]ocean%20angie.jpg

http://www.defencepicturelibrary.mod.uk/lowres/45133/45133039.jpg
http://www.defencepicturelibrary.mod.uk/lowres/45103/45103193.jpg
http://www.defencepicturelibrary.mod.uk/lowres/45136/45136862.jpg
http://www.defencepicturelibrary.mod.uk/lowres/45141/45141679.jpg

does this count

http://www.defencepicturelibrary.mod.uk/lowres/45142/45142328.jpg

[redhawk_six]

http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/110602/IS2002-6666a.jpgShe is in a Canadian rain coat and she is a woman, but she is not a soldier. She is a Bosnian interpreter.

Yes, I am aware of this, and was when I read the caption on combat camera... Decided to post it anyways... :)

[dm82247]

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/thumbnails/thumb_040120-F-0000C-002.jpg

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/thumbnails/thumb_040106-F-6229O-003.jpg

[MK133]

http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/oct01/ah58.jpg

[AFG]

http://www.mediacen.navy.mil/pubs/allhands/oct01/ah58.jpg

i'd like to see her go full auto on that :D

[Kenshin]

Guys, Me and my gunner here are off to smoke some serious asses..

http://www.afmc.wpafb.af.mil/HQ-AFMC/PA/image_gallery/product_centers/gunner-use.jpg

[Kaos]

What a nice post!!!
p-)

[Luxembourger]

I don t know but jJessica lynch is my favorute one
She is so cutie :-) :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Fox2]

I don t know but jJessica lynch is my favorute one
She is so cutie :-) :oops: :oops: :oops:

Not to mention rich.

[Parzival]

What ever

[Kimster]

http://www.plutonen.com/ks05/images/Kosovo_mar/images/103-0369_IMG.jpg
http://www.plutonen.com/ks05/images/Kosovo_mar/images/DSC00218.jpg
They entertain aswell ! :)
Here they are at Swedish Camp Victoria in Kosovo

[Kimster]

http://www.plutonen.com/ks05/images/Almnas/images/DSCN1881_JPG.jpg
Peacekeeping traning at SWEDINT

[Fox2]

Philosophical Thought of the Day: If the hottest women are always in the Air Force, and Sweden has the hottest women, how hot are the women in the Swedish Air Force? :lol:


And mere words will not do, Kimster. I need photographic proof.

[HumanShield]

http://www.mahal2000.com/information/background/women.jpg

Gotta love those Israeli women in the military ;)

HAWT DAMN, im going to isreal (one on the right with the gun BTW)
And that has to be the goofiest looking mag clamp

[Marmot1]

http://www.plutonen.com/ks05/images/Kosovo_mar/images/103-0369_IMG.jpg
http://www.plutonen.com/ks05/images/Kosovo_mar/images/DSC00218.jpg
They entertain aswell ! :)
Here they are at Swedish Camp Victoria in Kosovo

heh camp Victoria??? becouse of your princess name or just for victory??

[pretorian669]

http://www.mahal2000.com/information/background/women.jpg

Gotta love those Israeli women in the military ;)

HAWT DAMN, im going to isreal (one on the right with the gun BTW)
And that has to be the goofiest looking mag clamp

What do you think is keeping me in the IDF for the last nine years? ;)

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/6.jpg
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no idea rofl

"bang" *broken collarbone* [/img]