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Naga Sadow
08-06-2005, 09:43 AM
By "Supercarrier" I refer to ships of the Nimitz and Kitty Hawk classes, as well as the Enterprise.

Just speaking hypothetically... how many people could one of these ships actually kill, if it was to attack a large modern city such as New York, Los Angles, London, Tokyo etc. going for maximum destruction and/or casualties on the ground, and keeping up the attack until the supplies of aircraft fuel or ordnance were expended (whichever is first)? Assume that the carrier is fully loaded when it commences the attack. Also assume that it is not carrying nuclear weapons.

ValkXB70
08-06-2005, 09:48 AM
A hundred bajillion.

CG51
08-06-2005, 09:49 AM
By "Supercarrier" I refer to ships of the Nimitz and Kitty Hawk classes, as well as the Enterprise.

Just speaking hypothetically... how many people could one of these ships actually kill, if it was to attack a large modern city such as New York, Los Angles, London, Tokyo etc. going for maximum destruction and/or casualties on the ground, and keeping up the attack until the supplies of aircraft fuel or ordnance were expended (whichever is first)? Assume that the carrier is fully loaded when it commences the attack. Also assume that it is not carrying nuclear weapons.

:lol:

Uncle Chô
08-06-2005, 09:51 AM
How old are you Naga Sadow?

This is precisely the type of question I asked when I was 8 or 9...

:roll:

sferrin
08-06-2005, 09:53 AM
It depends on your target. Obviously downtown Bejing is going to get you a lot more kills per boom than out in the middle of the desert. So the answer is "a lot" but I can't imagine a scenario short of the Cold War version of WWIII that they'd be trying to do that.

Khabbi
08-06-2005, 09:53 AM
guess it could kill afew ppl if it capsized , like fliped over onto a group of ppl , or got hit by a nuke and transformed into some godzila like carrier

vampireuk
08-06-2005, 09:55 AM
guess it could kill afew ppl if it capsized , like fliped over onto a group of ppl , or got hit by a nuke and transformed into some godzila like carrier

With teeth?

Kaapeli
08-06-2005, 09:57 AM
A lot. By forcefully docking in the harbour, accidentally ramming dozens of small fishing boats in the process, and unleashing a shipload of drunken sailors on shoreleave into the citys nigthlife.

Chuckie
08-06-2005, 09:59 AM
This is a ridiculous thread...

ogukuo72
08-06-2005, 10:06 AM
A lot. By forcefully docking in the harbour, accidentally ramming dozens of small fishing boats in the process, and unleashing a shipload of drunken sailors on shoreleave into the citys nigthlife.

:lol: Good one! Exactly what I thought when I saw the thread, although I was thinking in terms of the number of Green Peas activists killed when the carrier run over Rainbow Warrior blocking it...

TuNeRsHaRk
08-06-2005, 10:06 AM
what are you like 12? :bash:

Little J
08-06-2005, 10:07 AM
This is a ridiculous thread...

I second that

Naga Sadow
08-06-2005, 10:08 AM
I'm 25.

I don't see what's so supposedly childish about this question.

What's the aproximate total kill yield of a Nimitz class unleashing its entire arsenal into an urban environment.. what's childish about that?

TuNeRsHaRk
08-06-2005, 10:11 AM
I'm 25.

I don't see what's so supposedly childish about this question.

What's the aproximate total kill yield of a Nimitz class unleashing its entire arsenal into an urban environment.. what's childish about that?\

well it would have been better if you asked how powerfull is a Supercarrier not how many people can it kill, it just doesnt sound right

digrar
08-06-2005, 10:21 AM
I'd lock this but the possibilties for piss taking are limitless.

So you want a shell by shell analysis of maximum carnage? I'll get right on to it.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
08-06-2005, 10:24 AM
Actually technically speaking a Carrier itself can not kill anyone in an offensive operation.

It's just a airbase on water so to speak. The Carrier itself has no offensive weapons AFAIK.

Next question.

Khabbi
08-06-2005, 10:29 AM
guess it could kill afew ppl if it capsized , like fliped over onto a group of ppl , or got hit by a nuke and transformed into some godzila like carrier

With teeth?


sure , big white ones ,

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-06-2005, 10:40 AM
7.

HoboWithAK
08-06-2005, 11:21 AM
1,294,884 people. Yes, exactly.

ibstolidude
08-06-2005, 11:39 AM
7 people.

Unless it is a really crowded city, then the answer is 9.

Macs.
08-06-2005, 11:57 AM
Are we talking about a Battlefield 1 or Battlefield 2-class Carrier ?

iflu
08-06-2005, 12:13 PM
How old are you Naga Sadow?

This is precisely the type of question I asked when I was 8 or 9...

:roll:


;)


pls mods...lock it before it becomes a real joke...

vampireuk
08-06-2005, 12:17 PM
7 people.

Unless it is a really crowded city, then the answer is 9.

Did you factor wind resistance into that answer?

Little J
08-06-2005, 12:40 PM
7 people.

Unless it is a really crowded city, then the answer is 9.

Did you factor wind resistance into that answer?

How about if its the holiday season? :lol:

joshfox0
08-06-2005, 12:46 PM
Jesus christ!!!! not holiday season!!!


rofl

Pirate_K
08-06-2005, 01:10 PM
7.

Same logic as below....

[wind]
[clop clop clop]
King Arthur: Whoa there!
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #1: Halt! Who goes there?
Arthur: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!
Soldier #1: Pull the other one!
Arthur: I am, ...and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.
Soldier #1: What? Ridden on a horse?
Arthur: Yes!
Soldier #1: You're using coconuts!
Arthur: What?
Soldier #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together.
Arthur: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through--
Soldier #1: Where'd you get the coconuts?
Arthur: We found them.
Soldier #1: Found them? In Mercia? The coconut's tropical!
Arthur: What do you mean?
Soldier #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
Arthur: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
Soldier #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Arthur: Not at all. They could be carried.
Soldier #1: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?
Arthur: It could grip it by the husk!
Soldier #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
Arthur: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?
Soldier #1: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?
Arthur: Please!
Soldier #1: Am I right?
Arthur: I'm not interested!
Soldier #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
Soldier #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
Arthur: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?!
Soldier #1: But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah...
Soldier #1: So, they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway...
[clop clop clop]
Soldier #2: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?
Soldier #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
Soldier #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a strand of creeper!
Soldier #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
Soldier #2: Well, why not?

melon
08-06-2005, 01:29 PM
If you're 25 and asking such a stupid question, then maybe you need to take a timeout from the internet, collect your thoughts and come back with a more substantial question, perhaps a real one, rather than a silly notion just to thrown out there to keep the board moving.


I mean, did you really expect an honest, intellegent answer to that hypothetical, Tom Clancy wet dream?

n.ignomo
08-06-2005, 01:45 PM
Why would the nimitz hit Tokyo or London, or even NYC ??? something wrong ther !

Hydro
08-06-2005, 01:55 PM
Depends how much the carrier has had to drink.

SOG
08-06-2005, 02:11 PM
how many licks would it take to get to the center of a super carrier?

the world may never know.

Herrmannek
08-06-2005, 02:26 PM
How old are you Naga Sadow?

This is precisely the type of question I asked when I was 8 or 9...

:roll:
problem is noone nevers gives the answer :)

usa320
08-06-2005, 02:35 PM
This is a ridiculous thread...

I second that

xN

radx
08-06-2005, 02:36 PM
With its entire payload, I am sure a carrier can wipe out a small city and all of its' inhabitants.

Aerosoul
08-06-2005, 02:37 PM
It can kill a lot. A lot.



why the fek is this posted?????

coverteye
08-06-2005, 02:44 PM
How long is a piece of string?????

Tim Nice But Dim
08-06-2005, 02:52 PM
Just speaking hypothetically... how many people could one of these ships actually kill?

Dumb thread, but I’ll take up the challenge out of boredom.

Hypothetically…

A Nimitiz class aircraft carrier has an airwing which includes 20 F-14D’s and 36 F/A-18’s. (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nimitz/)

The F-14D has a bomb load of 8000 pounds and the F/A-18 has a bomb load of 4000 pounds. (http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/su27/su27_6.asp)

Therefore, in an all out attack, an airwing from a Nimitiz class carrier could deliver 304,000 pounds of high explosives.

That would equate to 304 1000 pound Mk 83 bombs.

In terms of damage…


Operation Anaconda, the plan to encircle Shah-i-Kot and squeeze the al-Qaida and Taliban operatives out of their hiding places, got underway on March 2, 2003. Fierce resistance was reported by the coalition forces. Megaton bombs were dropped at the rate of 260 a day to ferret out the terrorists. The reported enemy death toll rose and fell like the fluctuations of a troubled currency: 100, 500, 200, 800, 300. When the fighting came to an end on March 12, only 10 enemy soldiers were taken prisoner and less than 20 bodies were found within the battle zone. The full military offensive, replete with the dropping of 3,250 bombs, had been conducted on largely uninhabited territory.

From - http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=56253


At that rate an airwing from a Nimitz class carrier would kill 1.87 people.

Have a nice day.

Aerosoul
08-06-2005, 02:53 PM
How long is a piece of string?????

nicely put.

TuNeRsHaRk
08-06-2005, 02:55 PM
At that rate an airwing from a Nimitz class carrier would kill 1.87 people.

Have a nice day.


rofl

Blarney
08-06-2005, 03:00 PM
lets see, a supercarrier could kill.....


11,242,562,245,324,637,938,392,494,537,395 people.

You see alls it has to do is send out its tomcats to blow **** up, then fire the phalanx cannons wildly near ports to kill poeple, then fire the missiles to blow more **** up. When they have fired every bullet, they start sending kamikazes and that adds to the death totals. Then they use knives to harvest women for slvaes and force them to breed, thus killing every child that poops out, and then they blow the carrier up to ensure that the world is destroyed. Then the chunks of th world will crash into other worlds and that will kill aliens on other planets, which will in turn brek up and kill other planets until the universe is rubble.

back to reality.... :bash: next time, shut up and use this awesome tool called google....and make sure your quesiton is actually feasible

szr
08-06-2005, 03:24 PM
Why would the nimitz hit Tokyo or London, or even NYC ??? something wrong ther !
If the carrier is pissed, it will totally flip out and kill anyone and everyone.
THATS WHAT I CALL REAL ULTIMATE POWER

Hydro
08-06-2005, 03:25 PM
Why would the nimitz hit Tokyo or London, or even NYC ??? something wrong ther !
If the carrier is pissed, it will totally flip out and kill anyone and everyone.
THATS WHAT I CALL REAL ULTIMATE POWER



Er, no. A ninja can so take on the Nimitz. Wailing on his axe and all.

SGMGSG9
08-06-2005, 03:26 PM
Keep in mind most modern battle carriers (super-carriers) of today carry nuclear ordinance. Along with standard munitions, needless to say a single carrier wild's tremendous power projection. Especially considering one of these boats and its carrier battle group can roll up to any shore, ANY WHERE in the world with in 72 hours. As far as kill yield, It depends on target & population density. Hypothetically, if the gloves really came off the death toll could be in the hundreds of thousands. Something else interesting is a single Trident Submarine BY IT'S SELF, is considered the worlds third largest power based on it's nuclear weapon carrying capacity and weapon yield potential.

Chuckie
08-06-2005, 05:23 PM
I'm assuming this is a rogue carrier.. being operated by a crew that are up to no good. Anyway to answer your question as to how many people will be killed, the answer is "0" That's right the number Zero.

There's only one reason, one person strong enough to stop a rogue Nimitz class carrier bent on destruction.....

Steven Segal

Steven will get to that aircraft carrier, kill the crew members that are up to no good and disarm all the weapons before a single person is killed.


Sorry for the chessy reply, it just seemed so fitting.....

UPDATE: And if Segal is late, he will call superman to fly around the earth and turn back time, at which point Steven will do his magic and kick some ass.

2Sheds_Jackson
08-06-2005, 06:31 PM
A Nimitz class "supercarrier", while appearing aggressive and imposing, is actually very docile. Unless they are provoked, they tend to roll onto their belly, allowing you to scratch them between their propellers. Anger them however, and they will rear up on their hind legs, and come crashing down on anything nearby. Asking "how many people one could kill" is a loaded question. There have been a few cases of supercarriers attacking, but with mixed results. One tore up the edge of a couch quite badly, requiring professional reupholstering, and another one crashed down on a VW Beetle loaded with over 10,000 college students.

Flagg
08-06-2005, 06:39 PM
Didn't the Nimitz go back in time and whip Axis ass in World War II? :P

Macs.
08-06-2005, 06:44 PM
Pff ! Propaganda !

Hydro
08-06-2005, 06:47 PM
Didn't the Nimitz go back in time and whip Axis ass in World War II? :P


I actually enjoyed that film :)

Macs.
08-06-2005, 06:48 PM
Yeah, that movie was pretty good.

What was it called again ???

Wilco
08-06-2005, 06:53 PM
We can always try it out and see.

Beijing or Bust.

AOCBravo2004
08-06-2005, 06:53 PM
A Nimitz class "supercarrier", while appearing aggressive and imposing, is actually very docile. Unless they are provoked, they tend to roll onto their belly, allowing you to scratch them between their propellers. Anger them however, and they will rear up on their hind legs, and come crashing down on anything nearby. Asking "how many people one could kill" is a loaded question. There have been a few cases of supercarriers attacking, but with mixed results. One tore up the edge of a couch quite badly, requiring professional reupholstering, and another one crashed down on a VW Beetle loaded with over 10,000 college students.

You were watching Fox's When Carriers Attack Caught on Tape??? I can't wait for part 2!!!

Hoplite_V
08-06-2005, 06:57 PM
And the award for dumbest question of the week goes to..

Erik2a4
08-06-2005, 07:10 PM
I will not allow this thread to die until Omega7 has posted a response.

Hydro
08-06-2005, 07:14 PM
I will not allow this thread to die until Omega7 has posted a response.

But who die the carrier if 30,000 are to be crewed air wing? Tell me please this fact of carrier and bomb.....??? Thinking me if the you are to be being serious of this, then that you must be thinking of not serious at all!!!!

Pirate_K
08-06-2005, 07:25 PM
I will not allow this thread to die until Omega7 has posted a response.

Just a FYI folks..... until i read this i really never realized that the "Ronald Regan" was such a kickass ship

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/USS-Ronald-Reagan-%28CVN_76%29

futurepilot2004
08-06-2005, 07:28 PM
Man this thread is funny :lol: :lol:
Thank you mods for not locking it. woot

Chuckie
08-06-2005, 07:47 PM
I will not allow this thread to die until Omega7 has posted a response.

Just a FYI folks..... until i read this i really never realized that the "Ronald Regan" was such a kickass ship

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/USS-Ronald-Reagan-%28CVN_76%29

Steven Segal could still PWN it no matter how big it is.


(Sorry, I'm done acting like an idiot.....)

ElHombre
08-06-2005, 07:58 PM
... how many people could one of these ships actually kill, ...

depends on how many people are under it when it crawls onto land.

TuNeRsHaRk
08-06-2005, 08:13 PM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks3.jpg

Hydro
08-06-2005, 08:16 PM
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks3.jpg




NEVER!

Blarney
08-06-2005, 08:19 PM
dude...caught on tape 2 came out, it was with the Eisenhower, it ****ed some girl scouts up, but anyways, im still waiting for Omega7 to come into this bastard child of a thread

Chuckie
08-06-2005, 08:38 PM
Let's see, it's about 1:30am in the UK now, so I give this thread (assuming the other mods keep it open) about 6-8 hours of life, until Argyll wakes up and sees all the $hite being posted and shuts it down.

gc
08-06-2005, 10:06 PM
According to US navy, now a carrier can strike over 600 aim points over 24 hrs. That is improving though. ;)

n4292936
08-06-2005, 10:13 PM
Well, DigRAR, this thread has reached the great heights that you had hoped it would :P

ValkXB70
08-06-2005, 10:30 PM
A Nimitz class "supercarrier", while appearing aggressive and imposing, is actually very docile. Unless they are provoked, they tend to roll onto their belly, allowing you to scratch them between their propellers. Anger them however, and they will rear up on their hind legs, and come crashing down on anything nearby. Asking "how many people one could kill" is a loaded question. There have been a few cases of supercarriers attacking, but with mixed results. One tore up the edge of a couch quite badly, requiring professional reupholstering, and another one crashed down on a VW Beetle loaded with over 10,000 college students.

This is the only response I thought was better than my own.

digrar
08-06-2005, 10:33 PM
It has but now it has to go....................




























to off topic. p-)

Don't worry Naga Sadow, I'm still doing that shell by shell study for you, should have an answer soon.

Macs.
08-06-2005, 10:38 PM
GO GO GO BORDER THE THREAD !!!
SPAM SPAM !!!

BONG BONG I LIKE COOKIES WHERE IS MY DESTROYER ??? A HHHHH KILL PEOPLE IWHT ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Eat a bullet
08-06-2005, 10:43 PM
If I was driving right now, I think I could take out San Clemente, but don't worry, cause that would be a good thing.

CG51
08-06-2005, 10:43 PM
A Nimitz class "supercarrier", while appearing aggressive and imposing, is actually very docile. Unless they are provoked, they tend to roll onto their belly, allowing you to scratch them between their propellers. Anger them however, and they will rear up on their hind legs, and come crashing down on anything nearby. Asking "how many people one could kill" is a loaded question. There have been a few cases of supercarriers attacking, but with mixed results. One tore up the edge of a couch quite badly, requiring professional reupholstering, and another one crashed down on a VW Beetle loaded with over 10,000 college students.

This is the only response I thought was better than my own.

I thought rather highly of mine...

disabled1
08-06-2005, 11:07 PM
no clue but im sure its alot

CG51
08-07-2005, 12:34 AM
:|

Wilco
08-07-2005, 11:58 AM
Like I said, we can always try it out and see.

disabled1
08-07-2005, 12:03 PM
a gillion bazillion kazillion infinity

Wilco
08-07-2005, 12:09 PM
a gillion bazillion kazillion infinity

x2!!!!!

disabled1
08-07-2005, 12:10 PM
HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!!

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 12:16 PM
You're all wrong, idiots.

disabled1
08-07-2005, 12:16 PM
i claim to be a post whore not an idiot

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 12:18 PM
i claim to be a post whore not an idiot

At least you know you're a post whore. Idiots never know that they are idiots.

That's why I am informing you.

disabled1
08-07-2005, 12:20 PM
im a self admitted post whore, i hate idiots who dont know they are, they make me angry

SR15
08-07-2005, 02:09 PM
how many people Nimitz class "supercarrier" can kill in "drive by"
shooting?., well it depends if Nimitz will hold his gun sideway he may get one, by accident.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:10 PM
Ships don't kill people, people kill people.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:11 PM
Ships don't kill people, people kill people.

The Chinese aren't 'People'.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:12 PM
I saw spasepeepole once.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:13 PM
I saw spasepeepole once.

Were you anally probed?

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:13 PM
No no no no esa si si si si

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 02:22 PM
I'm 25.

I don't see what's so supposedly childish about this question.

What's the aproximate total kill yield of a Nimitz class unleashing its entire arsenal into an urban environment.. what's childish about that?

With a completely nuclear armament(Simply replace all conventional bombs) about one Billion People or more. With chemical weapons some milions and with the right biological weapon the whole mankind.

And yes, your Question is stupid.

CG51
08-07-2005, 02:27 PM
waiting for the day when man comes out with the ebola bomb...

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Ships don't kill people, people kill people.

The Chinese aren't 'People'.

What else are they? Actually this is a racist insult and you should be banned for it.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:37 PM
I agree, ban him.

CG51
08-07-2005, 02:38 PM
no, ban macs!

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:38 PM
I agree, ban him.

x2

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:39 PM
Those tommys think they can say everything they like just because they life on a island.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:40 PM
Those tommys think they can say everything they like just because they life on a island.

Yes, they suck.

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 02:44 PM
Those tommys think they can say everything they like just because they life on a island.

Yes, they suck.

And their women are really ugly.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:46 PM
Expect the hot ones.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:47 PM
Those tommys think they can say everything they like just because they life on a island.

Yes, they suck.

And their women are really ugly.

Don't be racist.

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 02:47 PM
And they eat strange things.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:48 PM
Ban him.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:53 PM
Ban him.

x2 Racism will not be tolerated.

Digital Marine
08-07-2005, 02:53 PM
B4N T3h INTARN3T

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:55 PM
B4N T3h INTARN3T

But then how will we get ****?

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 02:55 PM
Ban him.

x2 Racism will not be tolerated.

I heard their Prince is a Nazi.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:56 PM
Ban him.

x2 Racism will not be tolerated.

I heard their Prince is a Nazi.

They're a German family, what do you expect.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 02:56 PM
Nazis

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 02:57 PM
Nazis

Ban them!

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Nazis

Ban them!

No, ban the other ones.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 03:12 PM
Nazis

Ban them!

No, ban the other ones.

Who? The non-nazis?

JoaMei
08-07-2005, 03:24 PM
Nazis

Ban them!

No, ban the other ones.

Who? The non-nazis?

No, all british members. Vee have to make an example!

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-07-2005, 03:27 PM
Nazis

Ban them!

No, ban the other ones.

Who? The non-nazis?

No, all british members. Vee have to make an example!

Ok, sounds good.

cmdrfire
08-07-2005, 05:28 PM
Expect the hot ones.

I expect them all the time. Doesn't mean that I find them...

soma
08-07-2005, 07:36 PM
How ever many people in your country.

Macs.
08-07-2005, 07:40 PM
Expect the hot ones.

I expect them all the time. Doesn't mean that I find them...

Stop making fun of me. :|

mudbunny
08-07-2005, 07:42 PM
how many people could one of these ships actually kill, if it was to attack a large modern city such as New York, Los Angles, London, Tokyo etc. going for maximum destruction and/or casualties on the ground, and keeping up the attack until the supplies of aircraft fuel or ordnance were expended (whichever is first)?

Not the amount that a pissed off godzilla my friend.

CG51
08-07-2005, 08:08 PM
this thread is still going strong...


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