ACU 's blend in sorta

[disabled1]

i currently have been issued the acu's and have to say the only thing these things blend in with is a chain link fence in a concrete jungle. i have compared them to woddline features here at frt hood and havent seen anything that would make me believe this is nothing more than an urban camo. i personally also think these things need to be made out of tougher fabric, several blackhawk mechanics in my unit have had a problem with these melting when working around hot engine parts. to me they should have held off on issuing the uniforms toll we got a really thorough test done on them. i say scrap the acu get more dcu's and revamp the woodland uniform

[disabled1]

another thing thats not working is the velcro patches, if you walk up against someone check and make sure your patch is still there cause they are sticking to other peoples uniforms.

[Pook2]

Go back to your hole silly goose.

[disabled1]

im not going back to my hole and yes there are 3 shades the army is using one shade which is a grayish color and the marines have a woodland shade and a desert shade.

there have been a few complaints about it...actually alot of complaints but they fall on deaf ears

[ArmyRanger]

finally the truth!

[disabled1]

the vest is more than likely a mrine corps issue point blank body armor issued to them, how the army got ahold of it but this guy has 3 different shades of camo on

army marpat
marine corp desert marpat
desert camo uniform for both services. this guy looks like a gypsey with all the different shades but i know with us deploying shortly that we are bringing 2 different styles

[Ratamacue]

the vest is more than likely a mrine corps issue point blank body armor issued to them, how the army got ahold of it but this guy has 3 different shades of camo on

army urban grey digi
marine corp desert sand
desert camo uniform for both services. this guy looks like a gypsey with all the different shades but i know with us deploying shortly that we are bringing 2 different styles
The Marines wear straight coyote brown vests, not camouflage ones. Furthermore, desert MARPAT doesn't have any gray in it, and certainly not in as a dominating color as on that guy's vest.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/ratamacue01/dbl.sized.jpg

I have seen numerous pictures of guys wearing the ACU where the color of their vest seems different from that of their cammies.

[disabled1]

maybe its the camera deflecting color they claim...pfffft yeah right

[JTAR7242]

There are two rumors floating around.


One says the Army changed the colors in the pattern slightly and the vetsts are the "new" version and all the newer uniforms will match it.

The other is that the vest manufacturer messed up the colors slightly.

[disabled1]

id be leaning more towards they messed up :(

[Sgt.Axeman1224]

im not going back to my hole and yes there are 3 shades the army is using one shade which is a grayish color and the marines have a woodland shade and a desert shade.


No lol, i ment a varient of the ACU. Look at this picture:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6991/acu15hg.jpg

You can see the Vest is a differnt shade to the clothing. Ive seen afew pics where the whole uniform is this more sandier colour. It is from wear? As is, would it be because hes had it longer than the rest? So sand has slightly discoloured it?

this actually works very well in swamp/jungle enviornments. Some guy got a copy of it and did a comparison on the reenactments or photo section.

[ArmyRanger]

thats good considering we have had alot of wars in swamps

[disabled1]

imaybe in swamps at stuart and polk but not over seas

[Bombtrack]

i still cant believe how far this uniform has gotten without a huge "WTF?!" and them cancelling it

[szr]

Bureaucratic momentum in the US Army is second to none.

[stuntman]

Go back to your hole silly goose.

X2!

Your a pose!

prototype80 Wrote:


im not going back to my hole and yes there are 3 shades the army is using one shade which is a grayish color and the marines have a woodland shade and a desert shade.

Your the only one here who has confused the USMC marpat with the new ACU's. Let some USMC's here you confused them!

Anyways there aren't any other shades other then the issued one you see. Camera's are not the naked eye. For the most part photos are made bright so that the detail in the photo is lucid. Not so that the camo is effective.


another thing thats not working is the velcro patches, if you walk up against someone check and make sure your patch is still there cause they are sticking to other peoples uniforms.

How close do you walk towards or near people that this is a problem?
And the only way it can "stick" to another persons uniform is if the patch is on backwards.

and your comment about the uniform failing. Well not more or less then the dcu or bdu's as they are made out the exact material as the ACU. The USMC's utilities are made out of a heavy twill cotton, althought more durable (especially while wet (Make sence!)) they are not as breathable and are heavier.

Please no more misinformation...

[ArmyRanger]

give him a break, scott is the real deal, 3 deployments. i think you should shut up and let him say what he wants cause hes earned it.

[disabled1]

being colorblind doesnt help either ****. as for the information on the patches sticking, this isnt b.s. its fact. i wear the damn uniform so i think i know what its capable of

[ArmyRanger]

stuntman you act like your offended, i didnt know you worked at natick

[stuntman]

stuntman you act like your offended, i didnt know you worked at natick

LOL, I have a friend who is a Major who was actually part of the developement at natick and one of the testers so it is a little personal. Not to mention I have had the top for a few months and standing over grass and all of a sudden deciding it is crap kinda offends me. The material is not the greatest I will agree to that, but again it isn't any different from the former bdu's.


being colorblind doesnt help either ****.(REAL SWEET!) as for the information on the patches sticking, this isnt b.s. its fact. i wear the damn uniform so i think i know what its capable of

Not saying it is impossible but is this really a problem? The nitpicking is more of a problem for me but maybe I am defending it to much. But untill there is a rule that I can't, I will continue to do what ever I want.

give him a break, scott is the real deal, 3 deployments. i think you should shut up and let him say what he wants cause hes earned it.

Good for him, I am happy that he followed his calling. Especially since he is a 3ployer (meaning it's not about a paycheck) it shows his dedication and his patriotism (God Bless him and thx!). But in regards to my opinion of the uniform I feel he is wrong! To be fair he uses the acu more then I ever would, but I have friends in the army and I have had long conversations about this uniform and the result is unanimous. They think the uniform is not perfect but still all in all good. They feel the material is very breathable in the heat and easy to repair if necessary. But most of all they like the utility best.
I say, if he does't like it thats fine I just dont think his issue with the uniform is such a big deal. But since he is a pro, let him gripe accordingly..

[ArmyRanger]

we dont think the uniform as a whole is crap, honestly i like the pockets and the other improvements, my gripes are the color NOT THE PATTERN and the velcro.

[disabled1]

ok ill put my gripes about the uniforms in a list to make this easy

1. tan boots- not good for soldiers working in the motorpool and in mechanical mos's like myself

2 fabric too thin- we agree on this

3 camo isnt exactly the greatest- i admit that my eyesight is a problem with judging stuff (honestly suprised im airborne)

4 velcro- its gonna wear out and patches are going to fall off or get stuck to somebody while walking down narrow passages

5 zippers- they break, buttons pop off, velcro wears out , snaps come apart- this is a no win situation

6 mandarin collar- chokes

7 pin on wings/badges....come on are these guys serious
8 patches hard to find

things i like

1 lightweight
2 comfortable
3 no starching
4 desert boots are more comfortable
5 cool boonie that ill never get to wear
6 at a distance it breaks up patterns superbly but terrible for close encounters
7 can go sterile while convoying
8 saves on sewing, but cost double for name tapes

hope this helps. ill give more input when i get back from iraq in 2007

[James]

I saw an Army guy wearing the new duds in Kabul last month. It looked sort of greyish blue to my own eyes... DCUs or plain tan would be more effective there. Maybe a solid Coyote Brown uniform.

Me, I wear T-Shirts and 5.11 pants, hehe.

[ArmyRanger]

if its less effective why is it being worn over DCU?


WTF


:cantbeli:

[disabled1]

x2

[stuntman]

ok ill put my gripes about the uniforms in a list to make this easy

1. tan boots- not good for soldiers working in the motorpool and in mechanical mos's like myself
Grease stains work as a shadow effect lol. On a serious note are you able to swap footwear wile your working in the motorpool?
2 fabric too thin- we agree on this

3 camo isnt exactly the greatest- i admit that my eyesight is a problem with judging stuff (honestly suprised im airborne)
Hey as long as you can do the finger pulling action with the metal bangbang and not crap the pants over a drop ur fine. I don't think the camo color is the greatest neither, for one thing I am sold on the digital print. Thats the ticket in disruption.
4 velcro- its gonna wear out and patches are going to fall off or get stuck to somebody while walking down narrow passages
I'm not even military (Backpacker,hiker) and I have replaced velcro off parkers a few times.
5 zippers- they break, buttons pop off, velcro wears out , snaps come apart- this is a no win situation
Don't worry I am working on that one. Just think about refrigerator magnets but only softer ;)
6 mandarin collar- chokes
I figured even you would like that aspect.
7 pin on wings/badges....come on are these guys serious
Thats rediculous, I hope that issue is still up for debate.
8 patches hard to find
Supply issues, whats new?
things i like

1 lightweight
2 comfortable
3 no starching
4 desert boots are more comfortable
5 cool boonie that ill never get to wear
6 at a distance it breaks up patterns superbly but terrible for close encounters
7 can go sterile while convoying
8 saves on sewing, but cost double for name tapes

hope this helps. ill give more input when i get back from iraq in 2007
Hopefully you won't be there for security.

[Hadfield]

http://ltjameslee.mypicgallery.com/ArmyGrunt3/acu-comparison-garrison_large.jpg
Left: Old, Right: New

[Makaveli]

There should be desert and woodland versions like MARPAT.

[Chuck6d]

where is Stuart and Frt Hood? I've heard of Ft Stewart, Ga and Fort, or Ft Hood Texas. Dude.......how long you been in and what is your MOS? Also I believe you have no clue WTF your talking about.

[Apogee]

I was ona road march with a BG this morning and he had ACUs on. They looked pretty good actually in the early morning of the New York mountains. He said that he really liked them, much cooler than the BDUs. I'll post a pick in a few.

[Chuck6d]

Well **** sir............you saw me wearing them last week. I'll be up there tomorrow. :)

[Apogee]

Well **** sir............you saw me wearing them last week. I'll be up there tomorrow. :)

Yeah, that too. I just didn't take any pictures of you

[ArmyRanger]

those arnt two diffrent ACU's they are pictures taken in diffrent light, dont let it fool you. i can find both the original pictures and they will look the same, someones photoshopped that

[DPGLAW]

LOL, I have a friend who is a Major who was actually part of the developement at natick and one of the testers so it is a little personal. Not to mention I have had the top for a few months and standing over grass and all of a sudden deciding it is crap kinda offends me. The material is not the greatest I will agree to that, but again it isn't any different from the former bdu's.


Quick ?, how does having a friend who worked on it make anyones staement about the issue "personal"? That really makes no sense to me, now if YOU worked there on the project and than took offense, I could SORT OF understand it, but in this case, IMHO, you are really just being an attention seeking, drama queen...;)lol

Dan

[stuntman]

LOL, I have a friend who is a Major who was actually part of the developement at natick and one of the testers so it is a little personal. Not to mention I have had the top for a few months and standing over grass and all of a sudden deciding it is crap kinda offends me. The material is not the greatest I will agree to that, but again it isn't any different from the former bdu's.


Quick ?, how does having a friend who worked on it make anyones staement about the issue "personal"? That really makes no sense to me, now if YOU worked there on the project and than took offense, I could SORT OF understand it, but in this case, IMHO, you are really just being an attention seeking, drama queen...;)lol

Dan

Well considering I have known, been informed and many times discussed about the uniform change personally and have owned a swatch of the new pattern before most here, I think that shows a certain personal attachment(Especially in the work that a good friend is part of) in my view and understanding behind the whole aspect of the new ACU!
Quick enough for you sweet stuff? ;)

[JTAR7242]

Well, then perhaps you should take it personally.


However, it's not going to change anyone's opinion here, and they certainly are not, and should not be, changing their opinions on it because of your sensitivity to the subject.

[stuntman]

Well, then perhaps you should take it personally.


However, it's not going to change anyone's opinion here, and they certainly are not, and should not be, changing their opinions on it because of your sensitivity to the subject.

Come on JTAR7242 I don't think that is a fair statement. I wasn't here defending the uniform I was just kind of annoyed by the reasons for not liking the uniform. I mean your right everyone here is entitled to there opinion (me included), but I wasn't ranting or taking anything really personal. But when ever certain people make weak(IMHO) comments with out heavy substance it kinda gets to me. But I have no problem with anyone here and even managed to praise prototype80 for his service. Plus someone here asked me what does my relation with someone who actually tested or has to do with the testing have to do with my personal comments. Plus in case you missed it JTAR it was ment with sarcasm as if I came of brandish about the subject.

[ArmyRanger]

its ok man, :petting:

[Bombtrack]

get over it

[James]

Mr. Prototype80 is an active duty soldier who's been overseas a number of times, and he's been issued the uniform. IMHO, he has a LOT more credibility than the vast majority of us to have an opinion about the uniform.

[Erik2a4]

Bureaucratic momentum in the US Army is second to none.

The gist of any problem: a guy who doesn't do your job has to approve it :lol: I wholeheartedly agree.


ok ill put my gripes about the uniforms in a list to make this easy

1. tan boots- not good for soldiers working in the motorpool and in mechanical mos's like myself

Have your commander approve a different uniform boot for the motor pool. Read the Regs; they are authorized to do so. I can pretty much guarantee that they were not thinking of mechanics when they were discussing the uniform. As for the "no shine" bit, there is no reason any soldier any where should have to starch or shine a single thing. It is not a priority.

2 fabric too thin- we agree on this


3 camo isnt exactly the greatest- i admit that my eyesight is a problem with judging stuff (honestly suprised im airborne)

I agree. I do not like the fact that each service wants it's own camo. Logistics should be a simplified as possible. A "universal" camo, while it does brief well, appears to be lacking in execution.

4 velcro- its gonna wear out and patches are going to fall off or get stuck to somebody while walking down narrow passages

Who cares if the patches fall off? Who cares if we wear patches? The insurgents? Does it make one more combat effective? Think outside the box. Now when you rip the crap out of your uniform, instead of having to hand stitch...or worse, find a tailor...during field-time, you just simply put in in place. Velcro sticking full of mud? Cover it with a full-sized ACU patch like most do here. Worried about velcro not working? Have buttons added. The uniform was...and should be...designed for one function: combat. Take the garrison mentality and throw it out the window.

5 zippers- they break, buttons pop off, velcro wears out , snaps come apart- this is a no win situation

Agree. Buttons are more durable.

6 mandarin collar- chokes

Disagree. Different strokes for different folks. But don't take away a viable option for others because it doesn't work for you.

7 pin on wings/badges....come on are these guys serious

This is my biggest pet peeve: who cares if you are not able to wear your garrison badges? This uniform was designed to make you, the soldier, spent less time and less money. Figure out how much you spent starching and getting patches sewn on a new set of BDUs. There is not a single reason that any soldier should be worried about wearing any badges on a deployment. The Army has "done good" by this. Sewing badges on was a ridiculous waste of a soldier's money, and continues to be.

8 patches hard to find

Dude, I had all my patches made in 10 minutes 100 meters from the front gate. The Korean Sewing connection has the ACU patch situation well under control.

things i like

1 lightweight
2 comfortable
3 no starching
4 desert boots are more comfortable
5 cool boonie that ill never get to wear
6 at a distance it breaks up patterns superbly but terrible for close encounters
7 can go sterile while convoying
8 saves on sewing, but cost double for name tapes

hope this helps. ill give more input when i get back from iraq in 2007

My grip is not with you, it's with the successive leadership that you have had...and that archaic Army institutional thinking...that believes that starching, sewing, shining, painting, grass-mowing, and tiny haircuts are the means to create a good soldier. It is not. Not a single one of those factor into good, tough training.

I think the ACU was a good concept that has been sabotaged by a horrible color scheme, and asinine uniform standards. Throw some leadership in there that hasn't seen an explosion since the 4th of July, and volia! You have the proverbial red-headed stepchild.

[disabled1]

Erik2a4 Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject:

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szr wrote:
Bureaucratic momentum in the US Army is second to none.


The gist of any problem: a guy who doesn't do your job has to approve it I wholeheartedly agree.

prototype80 wrote:
ok ill put my gripes about the uniforms in a list to make this easy

1. tan boots- not good for soldiers working in the motorpool and in mechanical mos's like myself

Have your commander approve a different uniform boot for the motor pool. Read the Regs; they are authorized to do so. I can pretty much guarantee that they were not thinking of mechanics when they were discussing the uniform. As for the "no shine" bit, there is no reason any soldier any where should have to starch or shine a single thing. It is not a priority.

2 fabric too thin- we agree on this


3 camo isnt exactly the greatest- i admit that my eyesight is a problem with judging stuff (honestly suprised im airborne)

I agree. I do not like the fact that each service wants it's own camo. Logistics should be a simplified as possible. A "universal" camo, while it does brief well, appears to be lacking in execution.

4 velcro- its gonna wear out and patches are going to fall off or get stuck to somebody while walking down narrow passages

Who cares if the patches fall off? Who cares if we wear patches? The insurgents? Does it make one more combat effective? Think outside the box. Now when you rip the crap out of your uniform, instead of having to hand stitch...or worse, find a tailor...during field-time, you just simply put in in place. Velcro sticking full of mud? Cover it with a full-sized ACU patch like most do here. Worried about velcro not working? Have buttons added. The uniform was...and should be...designed for one function: combat. Take the garrison mentality and throw it out the window.

5 zippers- they break, buttons pop off, velcro wears out , snaps come apart- this is a no win situation

Agree. Buttons are more durable.

6 mandarin collar- chokes

Disagree. Different strokes for different folks. But don't take away a viable option for others because it doesn't work for you.

7 pin on wings/badges....come on are these guys serious

This is my biggest pet peeve: who cares if you are not able to wear your garrison badges? This uniform was designed to make you, the soldier, spent less time and less money. Figure out how much you spent starching and getting patches sewn on a new set of BDUs. There is not a single reason that any soldier should be worried about wearing any badges on a deployment. The Army has "done good" by this. Sewing badges on was a ridiculous waste of a soldier's money, and continues to be.

8 patches hard to find

Dude, I had all my patches made in 10 minutes 100 meters from the front gate. The Korean Sewing connection has the ACU patch situation well under control.

things i like

1 lightweight
2 comfortable
3 no starching
4 desert boots are more comfortable
5 cool boonie that ill never get to wear
6 at a distance it breaks up patterns superbly but terrible for close encounters
7 can go sterile while convoying
8 saves on sewing, but cost double for name tapes

hope this helps. ill give more input when i get back from iraq in 2007


My grip is not with you, it's with the successive leadership that you have had...and that archaic Army institutional thinking...that believes that starching, sewing, shining, painting, grass-mowing, and tiny haircuts are the means to create a good soldier. It is not. Not a single one of those factor into good, tough training.

I think the ACU was a good concept that has been sabotaged by a horrible color scheme, and asinine uniform standards. Throw some leadership in there that hasn't seen an explosion since the 4th of July, and volia! You have the proverbial red-headed stepchild.


James Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject:

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Mr. Prototype80 is an active duty soldier who's been overseas a number of times, and he's been issued the uniform. IMHO, he has a LOT more credibility than the vast majority of us to have an opinion about the uniform.


mattoigta Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject:

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get over it


ArmyRanger Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject:

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its ok man,


stuntman Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject:

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JTAR7242 wrote:
Well, then perhaps you should take it personally.


However, it's not going to change anyone's opinion here, and they certainly are not, and should not be, changing their opinions on it because of your sensitivity to the subject.


Come on JTAR7242 I don't think that is a fair statement. I wasn't here defending the uniform I was just kind of annoyed by the reasons for not liking the uniform. I mean your right everyone here is entitled to there opinion (me included), but I wasn't ranting or taking anything really personal. But when ever certain people make weak(IMHO) comments with out heavy substance it kinda gets to me. But I have no problem with anyone here and even managed to praise prototype80 for his service. Plus someone here asked me what does my relation with someone who actually tested or has to do with the testing have to do with my personal comments. Plus in case you missed it JTAR it was ment with sarcasm as if I came of brandish about the subject




i can agree with you 98% for the most part i have been subject to strict uniform and other standards brought uponme by my last and current units.
i agree with you the commander needs designate motor pool wear and tear uniforms like the coveralls that we have but cant wear unless we are in the field. i think the army needs to come up with a suede black boot designed like the acu bootsIMHO.iagree with the mandarin collar, it better for some than for others, logistic camo for us drivers and others would be swell but **** we aint gonna get it, pin on badges is where i have my major concern, i love the fact im airborne and am going to hate having to re pin my wings on every time i change uniforms. my last thing is patches, i care about patches because in garrison, these things are important and cost money for us to replace, i am gonna get really pissed when i have to replace a patch a week because they all off. i am thinking of throwing 3 stitches in the point of each corner. just an idea. thanks for the input though man, i enjoyed this

maxwell

[Erik2a4]

i can agree with you 98% for the most part i have been subject to strict uniform and other standards brought uponme by my last and current units.
i agree with you the commander needs designate motor pool wear and tear uniforms like the coveralls that we have but cant wear unless we are in the field. i think the army needs to come up with a suede black boot designed like the acu bootsIMHO.iagree with the mandarin collar, it better for some than for others, logistic camo for us drivers and others would be swell but **** we aint gonna get it, pin on badges is where i have my major concern, i love the fact im airborne and am going to hate having to re pin my wings on every time i change uniforms. my last thing is patches, i care about patches because in garrison, these things are important and cost money for us to replace, i am gonna get really pissed when i have to replace a patch a week because they all off. i am thinking of throwing 3 stitches in the point of each corner. just an idea. thanks for the input though man, i enjoyed this

maxwell

Your supply SGT or resident 92Y should have patches, especially if he's HHC/HSC or equivilent. Soldiers should not pay for those. If you have the time, inclination and money, take the patches to a local sew-shop. Have them sew the patch onto an ACU background cloth with matching hook tape cut to match the shape of the pile tape on the sleeves. That will cover up all of the velcro on the sleeves. If your sleeves are like mine, it would take Mike Tyson in a ****o shoot to remove. (I hear that's possible, though ;) )

It is absolutely ridiculous that the mechanics cannot wear the coveralls in garrison. Maybe if you're not working, or if you leave the motorpool...but if you're having a normal work day, you should be in coveralls. Double check with your Section Leader, PSG, and Chief. Other than that, I'm at a loss. But that's just stupid.

It's good that you are proud of your schools. I'm proud of mine. But the badges don't make the soldier...the soldier makes the badges. Wear them in garrison, wear them with pride, the leave them in the closet for deployments and field time. There is no need.

Here's the idea behind all the velcro, and why I like it on the sleeves. Put blood type on there for obvious reasons. During appropriate PCC/PCIs you can replace the US colors with an IR Flag. If you get promoted, but the local tailor just got shot, then you simply change out the rank with a quick rip and paste (happened to me). If you get the crap torn/worn/blown out your tops, you simply rip the patches off one and put it on the new one...no more late nights playing arts and crafts (also happened to me).

All that time that was taken on getting uniforms ready could be better spent covering the basic and advanced skill levels of your MOS, and the basic warrior tasks. Having cleared rooms and been on more than one mission with a mix of 88M, 92Y, 13B and others, you know as well as I do that you need to know how to shoot, move and communicate. That's where the priority lies.

[TacoDelRio]

im not going back to my hole and yes there are 3 shades the army is using one shade which is a grayish color and the marines have a woodland shade and a desert shade.


No lol, i ment a varient of the ACU. Look at this picture:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6991/acu15hg.jpg

You can see the Vest is a differnt shade to the clothing. Ive seen afew pics where the whole uniform is this more sandier colour. It is from wear? As is, would it be because hes had it longer than the rest? So sand has slightly discoloured it?

this actually works very well in swamp/jungle enviornments. Some guy got a copy of it and did a comparison on the reenactments or photo section.

That guy was probably me. I did a photo comparison of it in a jungle area where my group trains. It blends in superbly with the rocks on the riverbed, but that's about it. I gotta agree with Prototype 80 though. I think the pattern is useless save for western-style buildings. If it ain't made of granite-type rocks or concrete, then it don't work none. The thing I really like about the ACU's I have is they came with pockets on the arms and calfs, so I didn't hafta put em' on myself. Plus it is of a somewhat-lighter fabric, so it breathes a bit easier, even after you get out of that river.

We'll probably have pictures of it in the snow (desert climate) later this year.

Have a good one Prototype. "Follow me!"

[Royal]

Different types of fabrics as well as ageing, fading and water absorbtion all affect the percieved colour of a fabric.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6991/acu15hg.jpg

For example I have a set of DPM jungles that are almost orange (when dry) but are fine when nicely soaked (in the jungle) combine with an old manky belt kit (mostly PLCE) which is almost black when wet and muddy.

That said I hate the colour scheme (not that I affects me), MarPat is far better. AND velcro everywhere - WHY? What is this urge to cover yourself in badges in the field?

[Digital Marine]

There should be desert and woodland versions like MARPAT.

Couldn't agree more.

[Apogee]

What is this urge to cover yourself in badges in the field?

Seriously. Not like you can see that under body armor anyways. Go get yourself a Ranger tab, then everyone can see




Skorotsnoy - I thought you got out of the Army?

[TacoDelRio]

What is this urge to cover yourself in badges in the field?

Seriously. Not like you can see that under body armor anyways. Go get yourself a Ranger tab, then everyone can see




Skorotsnoy - I thought you got out of the Army?

Been out for over a year now. I do some stuff every week (or try). "Enhanced camping". It's taking a toll on my hearing. :P

Either way, I just like to keep up with things. I'm planning on college/ROTC and a commission soon, er, next 6 years. Beats E3 pay by alot.

Where'd you get your permanent duty station?

[bigjeff]

I just can't stop laughin when i remember somebody tell me this thing.

A.C.U = All See You.

rofl

[Erik2a4]

Different types of fabrics as well as ageing, fading and water absorbtion all affect the percieved colour of a fabric.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6991/acu15hg.jpg

For example I have a set of DPM jungles that are almost orange (when dry) but are fine when nicely soaked (in the jungle) combine with an old manky belt kit (mostly PLCE) which is almost black when wet and muddy.

That said I hate the colour scheme (not that I affects me), MarPat is far better. AND velcro everywhere - WHY? What is this urge to cover yourself in badges in the field?

I agree with your exasperation with the badges, and most certainly agree with the color scheme. With most of your ideas, I whole-heartedly agree.

Having said that, however, I will defend my country's honor by pointing out that you Brits do what is officially called "weird ****" as well.

You do have flashes, wings, hackles, and cap bages galore, wear berets in the field (yes, I know the theory behind the Public-relations idea), wear rank in unusual places (Sergeants-Major), say "Hello" as part of radio procedure, and carry large scary-looking wooden compasses. :D

However, the most intelligent retort that I can think of is this:

What year was it that the young lady passed the Commando course? ;)

That may speak volumes about the P Coy versus Commando debate...

*seeks cover and concealment* :D

[Royal]

Different types of fabrics as well as ageing, fading and water absorbtion all affect the percieved colour of a fabric.

For example I have a set of DPM jungles that are almost orange (when dry) but are fine when nicely soaked (in the jungle) combine with an old manky belt kit (mostly PLCE) which is almost black when wet and muddy.

That said I hate the colour scheme (not that I affects me), MarPat is far better. AND velcro everywhere - WHY? What is this urge to cover yourself in badges in the field?

I agree with your exasperation with the badges, and most certainly agree with the color scheme. With most of your ideas, I whole-heartedly agree.

Having said that, however, I will defend my country's honor by pointing out that you Brits do what is officially called "weird ****" as well.

You do have flashes, wings, hackles, and cap bages galore, wear berets in the field (yes, I know the theory behind the Public-relations idea), wear rank in unusual places (Sergeants-Major), say "Hello" as part of radio procedure, and carry large scary-looking wooden compasses. :D

However, the most intelligent retort that I can think of is this:

What year was it that the young lady passed the Commando course? ;)

That may speak volumes about the P Coy versus Commando debate...

*seeks cover and concealment* :D

We do have lots of badges but (we used to) never wear them in the field - I'd go back to that situation tomorrow. I certainly don't wear mine.

All our rank are worn on the chest (in CS95) bar (sometimes) Sergeant Majors wrist bands.

At least she passed (at the third attempt, having failed the tactics phase). Girls in 16AA Bde wear the cherry beret without even attempting P Coy. To change the debate, I've got no problem with women who can hack it doing the right kind of jobs. We've got a long tradition of women in the thick of it in HUMINT jobs...

[Erik2a4]

I know all about 14 Int and the achievements of men and women in that field, Royal, and the history most of the various Regiments...

For instance, I know that I will never, ever be able to understand a W.O or RSM from the North.

I was simply yanking your chain (taking the piss?), having my own frustrations with the ACU and the general lack of that elusive quality called "common sense."

:D

[Apogee]

Been out for over a year now. I do some stuff every week (or try). "Enhanced camping". It's taking a toll on my hearing. :P

Either way, I just like to keep up with things. I'm planning on college/ROTC and a commission soon, er, next 6 years. Beats E3 pay by alot.

Where'd you get your permanent duty station?

Just be careful with your comments then. They could be easily interpreted as people thinking you're still serving.

Headed to Lewis, but still stuck in New York due to an injury and then surgery after that.