South Korea and the United States have agreed to pull out

[scoone]

SEOUL, South Korea (*******) - South Korea and the United States have agreed to pull out all American troops from Seoul as part of a global realignment plan of the U.S. forces, South Korea's defense ministry said Saturday.
The decision to move U.S. troops south, away from the border with North Korea, was taken on a request by Washington and after a meeting between the two sides in Hawaii, a ministry spokesman said.

The U.S. military presence in the center of the South Korean capital over the past 50 years has been a constant source of anti-U.S. sentiment in South Korea.

The ministry did not disclose details of the plan, which came a day after South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun named his foreign policy adviser and seasoned diplomat Ban Ki-moon as foreign minister.

Ban's predecessor, criticized by some officials as being too pro-American, quit Thursday in a dispute pitting pro-U.S. ministry officials against left-leaning presidential aides over South Korea's policy toward the United States and North Korea.

South Korea's military had wanted to keep some American troops in Seoul on security concerns, while anti-U.S. protesters demanded a withdrawal of all 37,000 U.S. troops from the country.

The U.S. troops have been stationed in South Korea since the 1950-53 Korean conflict.

The Korea Times newspaper said there would likely be only about 50 U.S. soldiers at a liaison office adjacent to South Korea's defense ministry building in central Seoul.

The land occupied by the U.S. forces would be returned to the Seoul metropolitan government, it said.

"We will make efforts to come up with steps in order for our people not to feel uneasy," said Assistant Defense Minister Cha Young-koo, the chief delegate for South Korea, in a local YTN television news.

[Vance]

As soon as NK goes ape****, all those protestors will be begging for the big bad US to come and save them. Sad, really.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Those protestors will be a nice human buffer in case the north attacks rofl

[mustamato]

As soon as NK goes ape****, all those protestors will be begging for the big bad US to come and save them. Sad, really.

And as soon as the aliens attack our planet, the world will be thanking US for their Star wars-project?

[Vance]

I'm not sure if that made any sense. But anyways, you're probably disagreeing with me. In that case, you can kiss my ass.

[scoone]

[quote]
And as soon as the aliens attack our planet, the world will be thanking US for their Star wars-project?

Who Knows ? If it works....

[NcDeuce]

Speaking from experience, it is a good idea...The troops need to be moved away from the Seoul/Yongsan areas...As for the dangerous Camps by the DMZ...such as Greaves & Casey, are they being taken over by the South Koreans or anybody?

Besides, for all you who did not know: there are at least a dozen more camps south of Seoul.

[mustamato]

I'm not sure if that made any sense. But anyways, you're probably disagreeing with me. In that case, you can kiss my ass.

And as I said in a other thread, I think that removing US troops would (and will) have a positive effect on the relationship between the north and south koreans. The first ones think that US will attack them, so they pour all their money into the military. If they get a clear indication of that US is not going to attack, well then the money can be used to other things, and their political rethorics can be used to improve the relationships with their southern neighbour instead.

[garyfanclub]

I'm not sure if that made any sense. But anyways, you're probably disagreeing with me. In that case, you can kiss my ass.

And as I said in a other thread, I think that removing US troops would (and will) have a positive effect on the relationship between the north and south koreans. The first ones think that US will attack them, so they pour all their money into the military. If they get a clear indication of that US is not going to attack, well then the money can be used to other things, and their political rethorics can be used to improve the relationships with their southern neighbour instead.

So I guess you've lived in North and South Korea and know Kim Il Jong personally. Otherwise I doubt you know jack **** about how a North or South Korean feels about anything. I say you take that entire post and cram it straight where the sun don't shine Mustymutache because it is a total crock of ****. Have a nice day.

[mustamato]

So I guess you've lived in North and South Korea and know Kim Il Jong personally. Otherwise I doubt you know jack **** about how a North or South Korean feels about anything. I say you take that entire post and cram it straight where the sun don't shine Mustymutache because it is a total crock of ****. Have a nice day.

So I guess you know the guy?

http://www.worldnewsbulletin.com/images/hit25.jpg

Or was it just pure old hypocricy? :)

[budanski]

"South Korea and the United States have agreed to pull out"

*awaits for ****** inuendo joke.

[Merik]

I think NK will make their move before the decade is over with.

[garyfanclub]

So I guess you've lived in North and South Korea and know Kim Il Jong personally. Otherwise I doubt you know jack **** about how a North or South Korean feels about anything. I say you take that entire post and cram it straight where the sun don't shine Mustymutache because it is a total crock of ****. Have a nice day.

So I guess you know the guy?

http://www.worldnewsbulletin.com/images/hit25.jpg

Or was it just pure old hypocricy? :)

Ah my eurobuddy back at the word game. I never said I knew Kim Il Jong, but then again I never pretended I knew the opinions of North and South Koreans. :D

[mustamato]

Ah my eurobuddy back at the word game. I never said I knew Kim Il Jong, but then again I never pretend I knew the opinions of North and South Koreans. :D

Of course I don´t.

http://www.etaiwannews.com/news_images/20021215/P03-MDF952061215.jpg
Protesters some hundred meters
from the US embassy

These do however.

[garyfanclub]

Of course they do. Because they're from Korea, numbnuts.

[mustamato]

Of course they do. Because they're from Korea, numbnuts.

Yeah they were probably protesting to show their support of US troops in Korea :roll:

[Javehn]

You want to say that South Coreans are against US millitary presence in SC ? Threated by North Korea , and by China , they stand a little chance alone .

[garyfanclub]

We don't know what they're protesting about. They could be protesting that they want a Mcdonalds for all we know. Mustamato, you lose.

[mustamato]

We don't know what they're protesting about. They could be protesting that they want a Mcdonalds for all we know. Mustamato, you lose.

Yeah probably, here is the story:

http://www.etaiwannews.com/Asia/2002/12/15/1039937454.htm

[Javehn]

The story :


Despite U.S. President George W. Bush's apology, tens of thousands of South Koreans holding candles marched through Seoul yesterday to protest the deaths of two South Korean girls who were hit by a U.S. military vehicle.

Anti-U.S. sentiment in South Korea, a key U.S. ally, rose after two U.S. soldiers involved in the accident were acquitted of negligent homicide charges in U.S. military courts in November.

A large crowd gathered in downtown Seoul, shouting: "Bring back alive Shin Hyo-sun and Shim Mi-son." The two 13-year-old girls were on their way to a friend's birthday party when they were run over and killed in June.

Organizers said about 300,000 people protested in South Korea and other countries including the United States, England and Germany, which have large Korean communities. Without giving their own estimate, police said the organizers' figure was inflated. Local media estimated the crowd in Seoul at 30,000 to 50,000.

After a two-hour rally in Seoul, protesters with candles marched and sang the popular Korean folk song "Arirang." Police stopped them a block away from the U.S. Embassy.

There were no immediate reports of violent clashes between marchers and thousands of police deployed nationwide.

In Daegu, a city 320 kilometers southeast of Seoul, two students broke into a U.S. military base and climbed onto a 30-meter high water tank.

Television footage showed the students, draped in South Korean flags, shouting: "Retry them in our court." They were arrested by South Korean police two hours later, all-news cable network YTN said.

Protesters in Seoul clapped and roared when speakers demanded a retrial of the soldiers in a South Korean court, and a revision of an agreement with Washington in order to give South Korea more jurisdiction over the over the 37,000 U.S. troops stationed here.

Protesters denounced their president, Kim Dae-jung, for "groveling" to the United States and called him a U.S. "puppet."

Protesters in Seoul tore apart four large U.S. flags.

Bush apologized for the accident In a telephone conversation Friday night with Kim. He had previously issued an apology through his ambassador to South Korea, Thomas Hubbard.

But activists said the apologies fell short of their main demand - more South Korean jurisdiction over U.S. troops.

Bush "pledged to work closely with the South Korean government to prevent such accidents in the future," said White House press secretary Ari Fleischer.

Bush told Kim that the American people cherished the strong alliance with South Korea. Kim said South Koreans appreciated the U.S. troops' role in maintaining peace and security on the Korean peninsula.


That however doesn't proove a bit , that the South Coreans wants US army out . They demanging the right to judge the soldiers , legitimite demand .

[garyfanclub]

Indeed.

[budanski]

I wonder how much "National Pride", the South Koreans would have, say North Korea decides to steamroll their way down. I doubt the younger generation understand the concept of a *****ula-wide civil war, and the ramifications of such said action.

As stated before, I'd like the U.S. to just relocate that trip-wire here on the U.S./Mexico border. Ah, and Canada too. We've got them to thank for the mullet. ;)

[Merik]

Heres the deal with South Korea.

You have the SK's that are around 30 or younger that have no clue what the Korean War was and they want the US out because they think everything will smooth over with the North,etc., etc. But they have no idea what happened back then and what will happen in the future.

Then you have the older generation of folks there that lived through the war or know at least about it and know why the US has been there for 50 years. They know what will happen in the future if we pull out.

So its the younger generation vs. the older generation. If you dont think thats right then look it up.

[garyfanclub]

$50 bucks says Mustamato is going to jump that like flies on ****.


However, I do believe you are correct.