500th american casualty in Iraq.

[mustamato]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/17/sprj.nirq.main/index.html

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/01/17/sprj.nirq.main/story.2.iraq.sat.jpg
Iraqis hold wreckage from a blast
Saturday that killed three U.S. soldiers
and two Iraqis north of Baghdad.

Now that must have been a hell of a explosion!

Anyway. R.I.P.

[Operation Ivy]

Just about to post this :(


TAJI, Iraq (CNN) -- The number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war passed 500 on Saturday when three Americans soldiers died in a roadside bombing north of Baghdad.

A patrol was sweeping a rural area for improvised explosive devices when a bomb detonated on a road west of Taji, about 19 miles (30 kilometers) north of the Iraqi capital, according to a statement from the 4th Infantry Division.

The explosion split open the gun turret of the patrol's Bradley Fighting Vehicle, knocked the 26-ton vehicle on its side and started a fire, military sources said.

In addition to the Americans, two members of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps were killed. A gunner and commander escaped with injuries, the sources said. The wounded soldiers were taken to a Baghdad hospital, according to the military.

On Friday, a U.S. soldier died from a "nonhostile" gunshot about 75 miles (120 kilometers) south of Baghdad, according to the U.S.-led coalition.

With the latest casualties, 501 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq, including 346 in hostile action. Most of those deaths have come since President Bush declared the end of major combat operations May 1.

After Saturday's blast, a quick reaction force secured the area and detained three Iraqis fleeing in a white truck carrying bomb-making materials, the 4th Infantry Division said.

"The enemy can try to do this to us every single day, but it's not going to change our resolve or desire to see things through to the very end," Lt. Col. Richard French said.

French said troops are investigating the makeup of the bomb, which was powerful enough to knock a vehicle as formidable as a Bradley off its tracks.

"Obviously, it was a large amount of explosives," he said

[garyfanclub]

RIP.

[Argyll]

That was a big bomb!


RIP

[Javehn]

Yes , heard about it in the news .Someone should stick to those combatants back all the way .
RIP

500 Americans Dead.

Thousands of Iraqi's Dead.

Bush ****ed up, I think it would have been better if we just sent in a small force to capture Saddam, not take the whole ****ing armada over there and basically conquer another country...

[Ratamacue]

Way to respect the very person you'll be taking orders from in your hoped-for future. Remember, had we simply sent in a "small force to capture Saddam," there would have been a giant power vacuum left which would probably have caused a war between Uday and Qusay Hussein.

[mustamato]

Way to respect the very person you'll be taking orders from in your hoped-for future. Remember, had we simply sent in a "small force to capture Saddam," there would have been a giant power vacuum left which would probably have caused a war between Uday and Qusay Hussein.

And you don´t think that those two would be killed/captured at the same time? Besides, your theory is ridicolous. You do know that they were brothers?

[memphiz]

RIP guys :(

[Merik]

Way to respect the very person you'll be taking orders from in your hoped-for future. Remember, had we simply sent in a "small force to capture Saddam," there would have been a giant power vacuum left which would probably have caused a war between Uday and Qusay Hussein.

And you don´t think that those two would be killed/captured at the same time? Besides, your theory is ridicolous. You do know that they were brothers?

Whats your point about them being brothers?

[mustamato]

And you don´t think that those two would be killed/captured at the same time? Besides, your theory is ridicolous. You do know that they were brothers?

Whats your point about them being brothers?

If you are not able to kill your brother then I assume that you are just a rascistic hypocrit. Or can you kill him? They are not animals because they are Iraqis you know.

[Ratamacue]

They are animals because they have murdered and tortured millions of people. Even if there wasn't a war, Iraq would be left under a dictatorship just as cruel as Saddam's.

[mustamato]

They are animals because they have murdered and tortured millions of people. Even if there wasn't a war, Iraq would be left under a dictatorship just as cruel as Saddam's.

Yeah I´m sure that CIA would have forgot about that in their calculations and just let them be unharmed...

[Argyll]

Hell didn't Uday try and get Qusay killed?

[Merik]

Uhh since when have being brothers had to do with someone trying to become the leader of an ENTIRE country. Tell me you have not heard of one single case to where two brothers fought to rule a nation and become one of the most dangerous leaders in the world. Jackass.

And yes they are dead Argy.

[mustamato]

Hell didn't Uday try and get Qusay killed?

:roll:

Any source for that claim perhaps?

[usa320]

I belive he shot him himself.

[HappyCat]

They are animals because they have murdered and tortured millions of people. Even if there wasn't a war, Iraq would be left under a dictatorship just as cruel as Saddam's.

Yeah I´m sure that CIA would have forgot about that in their calculations and just let them be unharmed...

Are you stupid or something, it dosn't matter about Saddams sons, the point is that if we killed Saddam and his family someone possibly just as worse would come to power.

[Javehn]

Udai got shot several times in 96 , and almost finished his life , but managed to recover . There are several rumours about the source of his assasination . One is , that he was targetted but Shiats opposittion , and second , he was targeted by his uncle (not by Kusai), after the Udai shot him in the leg , and got locked in jail by Sadam himself .
And by the way , the one who said something about assasin squds , first of all , that been tryed , and practissed for , but dissmissed , because it would leave huge political void inside the country , would get to civil war inside , and at last it will be overrun by Iran . To do it with unified army , is the way.

[mustamato]

Are you stupid or something, it dosn't matter about Saddams sons, the point is that if we killed Saddam and his family someone possibly just as worse would come to power.

In example? Baghdad-Bob? Yeah whatever I´m glad he wasn´t right anyway. I was almost scared there a moment that he was telling the truth about you being defeated soon. Iraq actually winning the war could have been horrific...

http://www.baghdadbob.com/humor/23775.jpg

[Argyll]

I was under the impression that the reason why Qusay was in a wheelchair was that he survived an attempt on his life,at the hands of Uday's henchmen.
The reason was that Saddam wanted Qusay succed him,as he thought Uday was off his rocker and had too much of a Western lifestyle,this pissed Uday of big time,and tried to get Qusay killed.
I seen this on some programme a while ago,I thought this was pretty common knowldege?

[HappyCat]

Are you stupid or something, it dosn't matter about Saddams sons, the point is that if we killed Saddam and his family someone possibly just as worse would come to power.

In example? Baghdad-Bob? Yeah whatever I´m glad he wasn´t right anyway. I was almost scared there a moment that he was telling the truth about you being defeated soon. Iraq actually winning the war could have been horrific...

http://www.baghdadbob.com/humor/23775.jpg


I fail to see any point in your little sarcastic comment there. does it have any relation to the topic we were currently talking about? If you want to be a sarcastic asshole please at least have your comments related to the discussion.

[mustamato]

I was under the impression that the reason why Qusay was in a wheelchair was that he survived an attempt on his life,at the hands of Uday's henchmen.
The reason was that Saddam wanted Qusay succed him,as he thought Uday was off his rocker and had too much of a Western lifestyle,this pissed Uday of big time,and tried to get Qusay killed.
I seen this on some programme a while ago,I thought this was pretty common knowldege?

And you have never even thought of why stories like these circulated in countries like your own that had a government/MI6 that was very positive against attacking Iraq? I have never heard that theory... although I have heard the one Javehn is presenting, liiitle more realistic.


If you want to be a sarcastic asshole please at least have your comments related to the discussion.

See the post I answered too, and what in "In example?" should i clarify?

[HappyCat]

I will assume however that you were making referance to his media minister taking power. I don't care who it was, I was not talking about anyone in particular. anyone that commands a large enough portion of the armed forces could take power, or at least start a civil war for it. History is full of instances like that.

[HappyCat]

I was under the impression that the reason why Qusay was in a wheelchair was that he survived an attempt on his life,at the hands of Uday's henchmen.
The reason was that Saddam wanted Qusay succed him,as he thought Uday was off his rocker and had too much of a Western lifestyle,this pissed Uday of big time,and tried to get Qusay killed.
I seen this on some programme a while ago,I thought this was pretty common knowldege?

And you have never even thought of why stories like these circulated in countries like your own that had a government/MI6 that was very positive against attacking Iraq? I have never heard that theory... although I have heard the one Javehn is presenting, liiitle more realistic.


If you want to be a sarcastic asshole please at least have your comments related to the discussion.

See the post I answered too, and what in "In example?" should i clarify?

Holy ****!!! my government was pro Iraq war, god damn if only I had known. and all this time I thought I was one of the one Canadians that was for it.

[HappyCat]

I also realised that you did say "in example" but using Iraq's old media official or whatever his title was is a pretty damn stupid example, you could have at least attempted to use a good example, such as a general or any other person commanding troops.

[mustamato]

I also realised that you did say "in example" but using Iraq's old media official or whatever his title was is a pretty damn stupid example, you could have at least attempted to use a good example, such as a general or any other person commanding troops.

You are the one claiming it, so you give the examples. Personally I don´t think that the one taking over would have been even worse if Saddam was removed, captured or killed in a SF-raid, together with his family.

[Jack Mehoff]

OK, this is what bothers me. How come they include accidental and suicidal casualties? Would it make more sense if they ONLY include combat casualities?

[Ichhabe]

mustamato: I see you typing, but I don't understand ****... What are you talking aboot?

[Javehn]

suicidal casualties ?? How many soldiers have gone suicidal over there ?

[Jack Mehoff]

21 soldiers committed suicide believe.

[mustamato]

OK, this is what bothers me. How come they include accidental and suicidal casualties? Would it make more sense if they ONLY include combat casualities?

Why? Didn´t someone that was accidentally shot by his buddy or was accidentally struck by the bumper of a Iraqi truck serve his country and tried to help the Iraqi people just as much as one that was blown up by a IED?

[Seiyuuki]

Way to respect the very person you'll be taking orders from in your hoped-for future. Remember, had we simply sent in a "small force to capture Saddam," there would have been a giant power vacuum left which would probably have caused a war between Uday and Qusay Hussein.

And you don´t think that those two would be killed/captured at the same time? Besides, your theory is ridicolous. You do know that they were brothers?

mustamato... :cantbeli:

[Jack Mehoff]

mustamato,

Don't be bull****ting with me. Two soldiers and a civilian from my battalion die 4 months ago from a 5-ton roll over. Just because someone serve in the military doesn't make them IMMUNE from accidents and suicide. **** like this happen all the time during peace time but you never hear about it because the media don't report it as much. The military stress a lot on safety because accidents cost a lot of lives wayy before Gulf War2 started

[HappyCat]

I also realised that you did say "in example" but using Iraq's old media official or whatever his title was is a pretty damn stupid example, you could have at least attempted to use a good example, such as a general or any other person commanding troops.

You are the one claiming it, so you give the examples. Personally I don´t think that the one taking over would have been even worse if Saddam was removed, captured or killed in a SF-raid, together with his family.

first off, what am I claiming in that quote that I should back up with facts?

second, it dosn't matter what you think about the person that would takeover if Saddam and his family were to be killed. You might be right, and the new person might be the best leader the world has ever known. But there is a huge risk that someone in the military who commands troops could just force his way into the void left by Saddam, or start a civil war with other military commanders who have the loyalties of their troops.

[Trident-za]

I posted a similar response to a similar thread many months ago: how many of the official Vietnam casaulties were non-hostile? The 55 000 odd figure includes an awful lot of suicides and accidents, I believe. Whats different about this war?

I agree that the figure CAN be misleading if you include the non-hostiles deaths, but they still died for their country IN Iraq, or not?

[Merik]

Thats why I cant stand it when the media reports that we have now over 500 KIA's in Iraq when in reality its only 156 non-combat casualties and it would be somewhere around 350 I believe for combat deaths.

My contemporary issues class discussed an article in The Tennessean, our newspaper, yesterday about all the non-combat casualties and all I said was its really sad that it happened but if you look at how many accidental deaths, etc. we have during peacetime the numbers would far exceed anything over there.

[Dalleer]

500 today, 300 tomorrow, 600 a few years from now...

I hope that I'm wrong.

[Maverick77]

Non Hostile Casualties count because they died supporting the operation

502 American Servicemembers have died in a in the warzone which now holds the second conflict in the Gulf.

Thats all there is too it it doesnt matter how they died.


btw 11K of the 58k dead in Vietnam were non Hostile.

[usa320]

http://www.mcau.com/images/Snipeowned.gif

Thats a pretty neat sig there.

[Merik]

Thank you.

[Midav]

RIP guys

[ShotOver]

RIP

Way to respect the very person you'll be taking orders from in your hoped-for future. Remember, had we simply sent in a "small force to capture Saddam," there would have been a giant power vacuum left which would probably have caused a war between Uday and Qusay Hussein.

Rat, I'm either going in the Corps around 2006 or 2010. Hopefully we will have a wiser president by that time that won't play around with human lives to give himself satifastion.

[[AFSOC]]

500 Americans Dead.

Thousands of Iraqi's Dead.

Bush f*** up, I think it would have been better if we just sent in a small force to capture Saddam, not take the whole f*** armada over there and basically conquer another country...

Yep, if we did that we'd get more support from other countries and much needed aid by the UN.

[garyfanclub]

Way to respect the very person you'll be taking orders from in your hoped-for future. Remember, had we simply sent in a "small force to capture Saddam," there would have been a giant power vacuum left which would probably have caused a war between Uday and Qusay Hussein.

Rat, I'm either going in the Corps around 2006 or 2010. Hopefully we will have a wiser president by that time that won't play around with human lives to give himself satifastion.

YOU MEAN A DEMOCRAT?! I'm sorry but **** that, Bush is far better than anything thing the jackass party can throw into the election. (If you say Wes Clark because he would have won the War on Terrorism already, I'm going to slap you.)

If I go I'll be going in around the end of 2005. Hopefully Bush is still president.

[Merik]

Seriously, would you rather have another Clinton in power or a guy who is more like Bush? Clinton completly screwed up the armed forces and our intelligence network without a care in the world.

I'm thinking Howard Dean...

[Merik]

I will burn in hell before Dean becomes president. You want to talk about a dumbass? Hes your candidate not mine.

[garyfanclub]

I'm thinking Howard Dean...

Don't you remember the military is all about protecting DEMOCRACY. Pshh... I think you need to remove your head from your ass or remove your ass from your neck, jarhead because Dean is a bad choice.

[UkrainianAmerican]

RIP

Actually I prefer Wesley Clark...

[garyfanclub]

Actually I prefer Wesley Clark...

They might have to create an new MOS for you...

MOS #0000