To all the terror loving sweds in the world

[citizen-k]

Do you like my "art"?

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http://www.pic.co.il/Files/E41EB059F0A44BA7B233AA66587816E8/norm_219C26537D564AB9AD4B43F42B20DC19.JPG

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[Operation Ivy]

I dont get it :(

[Javehn]

מה זה , ולמה זה פה ?
Edit : Sorry , i am not reffering to anyone in here .

[mustamato]

Referring to us from Sweden? In that case I can point out that we don´t understand hebrew.

[citizen-k]

Referring to us from Sweden? In that case I can point out that we don´t understand hebrew.


It's art, can't you see?

[mustamato]

Referring to us from Sweden? In that case I can point out that we don´t understand hebrew.


It's art, can't you see?

Well no I can´t, but then again I´ve never been a fan of modern art.

[citizen-k]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/17/sweden.israel/index.html



(CNN) -- The Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs says it plans to scold the Israeli ambassador to Sweden for damaging artwork depicting a Palestinian suicide bomber.

[Javehn]

Aaaah....Yep , indeed .

[citizen-k]

As for the guy in the picture:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/15/sweden.lindh/index.html

[mustamato]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/17/sweden.israel/index.html



(CNN) -- The Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs says it plans to scold the Israeli ambassador to Sweden for damaging artwork depicting a Palestinian suicide bomber.



Yeah that´s correct. Vandalism is illegal, in Israel as well? Better picture of this magnificent piece of art :)

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/09/77/29/c7a614fe.jpg

[Javehn]

Hmmm ... ??? I am so confused .What this guy have to do with the picture ?

[citizen-k]

[quote]
Better picture of this magnificent piece of art :)



your sick man!

[Javehn]

What is going on here ??

[citizen-k]

Hmmm ... ??? I am so confused .What this guy have to do with the picture ?

This is the guy who murdered the sewedish minister a couple of month ago...

One less terror lover on the face of this planet

[mustamato]

[quote]
Better picture of this magnificent piece of art :)



your sick man!

Aah, modern art is not about immediate recognition, it´s about to get you think. The installations name is "Snow White and the Madness of Truth". It´s not about glorifying her deed. It´s about a victim for the circumstances in a region gone crazy. "Artist Dror Feiler, an Israeli who lives in Sweden and created the piece with his wife, Gunilla Skold Feiler, told an Israeli newspaper that the artwork wasn't intended to glorify the suicide bomber but to "call attention to how weak people left alone can be capable of horrible things."

Anyway, have Israeli media reported anything about this? If so, please share the links.

[Javehn]

Please , i don't understand **** . Ony thing i see here, is one photoshoped picture . Who died , why he died , who this girl , what the hell ?

[citizen-k]

[quote]
Better picture of this magnificent piece of art :)



your sick man!

Aah, modern art is not about immediate recognition, it´s about to get you think. The installations name is "Snow White and the Madness of Truth". It´s not about glorifying her deed. It´s about a victim for the circumstances in a region gone crazy.

Anyway, have Israeli media reported anything about this? If so, please share the links.

Yes it did, but I thought you can't read hebrew...

[citizen-k]

Please , i don't understand **** . Ony thing i see here, is one photoshoped picture . Who died , why he died , who this girl , what the hell ?

Sorry for the hebrew...

התמונה עם הבחורה הוצגה במוזיאון בשוודיה
מדובר במתאבדת ממסעדת מקסים בחיפה
שגריר ישראל בשוודיה הרס את המיצג...

בתמונה הערוכה רואים את התמונה של זה שרצח את שרת החוץ של שוודיה לפני חודשיים....
אומנות.

[Javehn]

Ah , ok , i see .

[mustamato]

http://www.pic.co.il/Files/E41EB059F0A44BA7B233AA66587816E8/norm_219C26537D564AB9AD4B43F42B20DC19.JPG

rofl

Didn´t see the picture first, but now I get the point. Good one. Mijailo is a good example in what is happening to the whole swedish society now...

[UkrainianAmerican]

Congrats to the ambassador for having some balls!
This "art" is beyond despicable.

[budanski]

I'm curious, it's okay to blow up yourself and murder 21 random people in the process, but not okay to vandalize an exhibit that glorifies said murder?

That's all I'm wondering. Why is the outrage greater on behalf of the artist, as opposed to the bombing victims.

[JunglistSoldier]

Now - thinking hurts my brain so please explain this to me. Are you trying to depict SWEDES in a bad way? what the **** is the point of this image?


Do you like my "art"?

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http://www.pic.co.il/Files/E41EB059F0A44BA7B233AA66587816E8/norm_219C26537D564AB9AD4B43F42B20DC19.JPG

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[Undo]

I think I have this figured out, but I may be wrong...

A swedish artist (Isreali, actually? Living in Sweden?) created this "art" piece which depicts a female terrorist's picture on a little white boat floating in a pool of red "blood". Many Isreali's are offended. Meanwhile, a Swedish ambassador (minister?) is assassinated and someone replaced the image of the terrorist with the image of the assassin? Is this correct?

Edit:

Ah, stupid me. Finally followed the links. Nothing against Swedes, really. Just an ironic photoshop job.

[mustamato]

I think I have this figured out, but I may be wrong...

A swedish artist (Isreali, actually? Living in Sweden?) created this "art" piece which depicts a female terrorist's picture on a little white boat floating in a pool of red "blood". Many Isreali's are offended. Meanwhile, a Swedish ambassador (minister?) is assassinated and someone replaced the image of the terrorist with the image of the assassin? Is this correct?

The man on the picture is Mijailo Mijailovic, a swede of serb origin, mentally ill that hated our prime minister because she supported the bombings of Serbia back in the late 90´s. So he saw her in mall and simply stabbed her, she died. But the PM was also disliked by the Israelis because she used to condemn their actions on palestinian territory.

So this insane Mijailo that heard "voices from Jesus that forced him to kill her" is the hero of the jews. And therefore he has been photoshopped on to the picture instead of that palestinian suicide bomber, as a protest against Sweden.

[Dalleer]

Ah yes, I saw a short mention of this matter in the news today and must say that I find that piece of art quite "interesting" in a neutral way.

Now, I'm not going to say a damn thing concerning the specific art work since it would either be the Swedish, the Israelis in this board or a yet unidentified third party attacking me after it.

So, I'd be a dumb, ignorant Finn for not understanding the Israeli side or the Swedish point of view now wouldn't I ?

All I can say is, it's not very nice to trash someone's art work (it wasn't really that provocative) but then again I'm sure that the Israeli ambassador had his reasons.

What is considered as "art" and what is considered as "crap" depends on the point of view.

Damn, I actually did say my opinion...

[Undo]

mustamato, thanks. I finally worked it out, but your summary is spot on, (except for the "hero of the Jews" thing, which I thought was a little off).

Anyway, interesting thread. I wonder what the artist is really trying to say. The dead terrorist in a sea of blood doesn't seem to glorify being a terrorist to me. It does make you think, though.

Meh. My sympathy is with all the victims of terrorism and oppression, but I have NO sympathy for terrorists, particularly suicide/homocide bombers. What a pathetic lot they are. Seems to me that nothing could hurt a cause so much as having suicide bombers on your side.

[budanski]

Israeli ambassador kicked out of Swedish museum after vandalizing art

Associated Press (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1514&u=/afp/20040117/wl_mideast_afp/sweden_israel_art_040117141807&printer=1)

STOCKHOLM (AFP) - Israel's ambassador to Sweden was kicked out of Stockholm's Museum of National Antiquities after he destroyed an artwork featuring a picture of a Palestinian suicide bomber, the artists said.

The incident, widely reported in the Swedish media, occurred at the opening on Friday of the "Making Differences" exhibit, part of an upcoming international conference on genocide hosted by the Swedish government and in which Israel is scheduled to participate.

Sweden's foreign ministry said Saturday it would summon ambassador Zvi Mazel to a meeting to explain himself.

"We will contact him on Monday to arrange a meeting. We want to give him a chance to explain himself. We feel that it is unacceptable for him to destroy art in this way," ministry spokeswoman Anna Larsson told AFP.

The art installation, called Snow White and located in the museum's courtyard, featured a basin filled with red water, designed to look like blood.

A sailboat with the name Snow White floated on the water, and placed like a sail was a photo of a smiling Hanadi Jaradat, the female lawyer who blew herself up in the Haifa suicide bombing attack in October which killed 21 Israelis.

"For me it was intolerable and an insult to the families of the victims. As ambassador to Israel I could not remain indifferent to such an obscene misrepresentation of reality," the ambassador told Swedish news agency TT.

According to museum director Kristian Berg, the ambassador went berserk in front of the 400 specially-invited guests when he saw the piece.

"He pulled out the plugs and threw one of the spotlights into the fountain which caused the entire installation to short-circuit and made it totally life-threatening," he told TT.

One of the two artists who created the work, Israeli-born Dror Feiler, told AFP the ambassador was "totally unreasonable and undiplomatic" and would not listen to his explanations.

"He said he was ashamed that I was a Jew," Feiler said. "We see this as an offensive assault on our right to express our thoughts and feelings."

The other artist, Feiler's Swedish wife Gunilla Skoeld Feiler, told daily Expressen that the work was "not a glorification of the suicide bomber."

"I wanted to show how incomprehensible it is that a mother-of-two, who is a lawyer no less, can do such a thing," she said.

"When I saw her picture in the paper, I thought she looked like Snow White, that's why I gave that name to the piece," she added.

Dror Feiler was to perform a piece of music but refused to do so as long as the ambassador remained at the scene.

"Ultimately we had to escort the ambassador out of the museum," museum director Berg said, adding that he did not consider the artwork to be a provocation.

"It is rather an invitation to think about why such things happen in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," he said.

The museum's artistic director, Thomas Nordanstad, said he had given the artists the go-ahead to create the piece, and had "hoped it would lead to an artistic dialogue".

The artwork was repaired and was on Saturday on view to the public, despite Israel's insistence that it be disassembled.

It was not immediately known whether the incident would affect Israel's participation at the "Stockholm International Forum -- Preventing Genocide" conference, which is to take place January 26-28.

[duck]

Why not open a large art show presenting mass murderers of different countries depicted in humorous and "respectful" ways to play with the minds of the visitors. The swedish ambassador would of course be invited for the opening as they are a nation who can always see the bright side of murder and pillage.

[StarvingStudent47]

The man on the picture is Mijailo Mijailovic, a swede of serb origin, mentally ill that hated our prime minister because she supported the bombings of Serbia back in the late 90´s. So he saw her in mall and simply stabbed her, she died. But the PM was also disliked by the Israelis because she used to condemn their actions on palestinian territory.

So this insane Mijailo that heard "voices from Jesus that forced him to kill her" is the hero of the jews. And therefore he has been photoshopped on to the picture instead of that palestinian suicide bomber, as a protest against Sweden.

Idiot. No.

An artist in Sweden made an art project that glorified a terrorist murderer. The Swedish government stands behind it.

So an Israeli photoshopped a Swedish terrorist in the picture, to try and make a point. That glorifying murderers is SICK AND WRONG.

Mijailo Mijailovic is an evil terrorist. But so is Hanadi Jaradat. She is not an "innocent victim" or "a simple woman caught up in a sea of insanity." She is a mass murderer. And in case people forgot, the restaurant she blew up was owned by Israeli Arabs, and was a place where Arabs and Jews could eat together and set aside their differences.

Terrorists are scum, whether they are Swedish or Palestinian. That's the point citizen-k was making.

Mustamato, you gotta let go of this whole "Jews are bad" thing. It doesn't play well. First the "Jewish lawyers" comment in the disrespect-of-dead-Russian-soldiers thread, now this comment about a filthy terrorist being "the hero of the Jews." Let it drop, man.

[Kitsune]

My comments on this:

1)We have here an artwork depicting a boat swimming on a red body of water (reminiscent of blood). On the boat there is the picture of the female Isrtaeli suicide bomber who killed 21 Israelis. I frankly do NOT understand how this "glorifies" the act.

2)Art is free. Art has to be free. Art should make you THINK. Therefore it has the right to provocate. I agree that there are limits, but within reason. I cannot see that this artwork transgresses those limits.

3)Wether this Israeli suicide bomber was EVIL or just another victim of the Palestinian/Israeli confrontation, is debatable. I tend to the first...but I may be wrong. We will never know. She is now dead, killed by the very same bomb that killed her victims. The rest is for God, ****, or Allah to work out.

4)As for citizen-k's changing of the artwork, that is ok. Its perhaps something of a little piece of modern art itself in the sense that it should make you (especially the Swedish) THINK, because it changes the face depicted in the boat to the killer of the much loved Annah Lindt. This confronts especially the Swedish with the provocative element of the artwork. I think this is a much more appopriate (and intelligent) response to the matter than a crude act of vandalism.

[Nizark]

[/quote]

Yeah that´s correct. Vandalism is illegal, in Israel as well? Better picture of this magnificent piece of art :)

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/09/77/29/c7a614fe.jpg

Wow, u must be one sick piece of trash to think this is art after it commerates the death of numerous innocent civilians by that scum's picture floating in the red pool.

Quote the Nizark, nevermore

[Red]

some Europeans are very strange creatures,i have never fully understood a lot of them

[SeanAshi]

I give props to Amassador Mazel, I would have done the same thing.

A Swedish government spokesman said the Swedish Foreign Ministry will ask Mazel to explain why he vandalized the piece of art at the Museum of National Antiquities in Stockholm.
Explain why? DUMB QUESTION! They know why. Shame on Dror Feilr, and Gunilla Skold.

[StarvingStudent47]

1)We have here an artwork depicting a boat swimming on a red body of water (reminiscent of blood). On the boat there is the picture of the female Isrtaeli suicide bomber who killed 21 Israelis. I frankly do NOT understand how this "glorifies" the act.

The title of the piece is "Snow White and the Madness of Truth." Referring to a homicide bomber as "Snow White" sure seems to be glorification in my book.


2)Art is free. Art has to be free. Art should make you THINK. Therefore it has the right to provocate. I agree that there are limits, but within reason. I cannot see that this artwork transgresses those limits.

I consider this the equivalent of a cross-burning. And I have NO problems with an African-American who sprays down a burning cross (and the nearby cloaked figures) with a fire extinquisher, even though that's "vandalism of someone else's art."


4)As for citizen-k's changing of the artwork, that is ok. Its perhaps something of a little piece of modern art itself in the sense that it should make you (especially the Swedish) THINK, because it changes the face depicted in the boat to the killer of the much loved Annah Lindt. This confronts especially the Swedish with the provocative element of the artwork. I think this is a much more appopriate (and intelligent) response to the matter than a crude act of vandalism.
Yeah, I thought citizen-k's response was a well-directed slap in the face to those who would defend this "Snow White."

[StarvingStudent47]

Why is the outrage greater on behalf of the artist, as opposed to the bombing victims.

I think you know the answer to that question...

[SOG]

2)Art is free. Art has to be free. Art should make you THINK. Therefore it has the right to provocate. I agree that there are limits, but within reason. I cannot see that this artwork transgresses those limits.


wait so.... art is free and should be free but then there should be limits? so.... limited freedom? hmmm.... thats a huge problem. who decides what? if it offends someone? what if it offends one and does not another?

how about art is free and pending how hard you push your "freedom" is how hard people will beat you? aka you reap what you sow. then again we have so many laws over here that cover offensive art it is hardly free.

i think the picture the artist did can simply be from the view of the terrorist and what they think aka on the blood of thier enemies they go to allah whatever.

the name "Snow White and the Madness of Truth" could just mean the terrorist sees them self as snow white aka "pure" but the TRUTH is thier pureness came from the BLOOD of others which is MADNESS.

i really dont know the artists intention of it but i know artists are quirky and if you show someone the same picture or same article many will form a entirely different opinion. but if the artist actually went on record as to what it meant or if his personality is well known......

[citizen-k]

Two points:

1. I didn't create this "art" - but I think its a good reaction to the swedish behaviour. (I found it in one of the Israeli political forums)

2. I didn't know the name of the guy in the pic nor the reasons why he killed the swedish minister. (noly that he is the one who did it)
I did know that she was pro-arab and a terror supporter long before the murder but it didn't make me to hate her - only to pity her miserable life.

Unlike most swedish poeple I don't tend to hate people I don't know...

Actually, I knida liked hanging out with swedish girls from the kibuttz... ;)

As for the "free art" thing:

1. A pro israeli item was removed from the exhibition due to a request from the Syrians.

2. Even free art should have its limits - calling people to murder other people is one of those limits and a "culture country' like sweden should know that.

[SeanAshi]

http://www.ourenemies.org/images/sbarrorenactment1.jpg
This reminds me of the Sbarro Pizza Bombing Re-Enactment, by the Palestinians. It was nothing but garbage and has no place in our society.

[StarvingStudent47]

Unlike most swedish poeple I don't tend to hate people I don't know...

Just for the record, most Swedes and Swedish-Americans I've met are really nice folks. The vast majority aren't anti-Semitic and many are actually pro-Israel (especially Swedish-Americans). Don't judge an entire country by one politician's misguided policies and one anonymous poster on an online forum.

[mustamato]

Unlike most swedish poeple I don't tend to hate people I don't know...

Just for the record, most Swedes and Swedish-Americans I've met are really nice folks. The vast majority aren't anti-Semitic and many are actually pro-Israel (especially Swedish-Americans). Don't judge an entire country by one politician's misguided policies and one anonymous poster on an online forum.

Hm. We may be nice folks. But the swedish swedes are not very pro-Israel, like the rest of the europeans. That is also the reason to why our now dead PM wasn´t it either, politicians tend to say things that they know people like and can get them elected again you know. In Sweden I think it is something like 60-65% negative upon Israel, ~30% positive and the rest don´t know/don´t care. It´s not very unusual to see street theater, music and stuff like that mocking Israel. But i´ve never seen or heard them glorifying Israel. If it had been the other way around then it would probably have been Baruch Goldstein, Ariel Sharon, or someone on the "other side" on that picture instead of that suicide bomber. But would it have changed anything? No, because of number 2:


My comments on this:

1)We have here an artwork depicting a boat swimming on a red body of water (reminiscent of blood). On the boat there is the picture of the female Isrtaeli suicide bomber who killed 21 Israelis. I frankly do NOT understand how this "glorifies" the act.

2)Art is free. Art has to be free. Art should make you THINK. Therefore it has the right to provocate. I agree that there are limits, but within reason. I cannot see that this artwork transgresses those limits.

3)Wether this Israeli suicide bomber was EVIL or just another victim of the Palestinian/Israeli confrontation, is debatable. I tend to the first...but I may be wrong. We will never know. She is now dead, killed by the very same bomb that killed her victims. The rest is for God, ****, or Allah to work out.

4)As for citizen-k's changing of the artwork, that is ok. Its perhaps something of a little piece of modern art itself in the sense that it should make you (especially the Swedish) THINK, because it changes the face depicted in the boat to the killer of the much loved Annah Lindt. This confronts especially the Swedish with the provocative element of the artwork. I think this is a much more appopriate (and intelligent) response to the matter than a crude act of vandalism.

Best things said in this thread, especially the last thing.

[mustamato]

Swedish newspaper http://www.aftonbladet.se has a poll:

"Was it right or wrong to sabotage the installation?"

Yes (31.4 %)
No (64.6 %)
Don´t know (4.0 %)

20804 persons has voted.
Poll started 18 januari 09:35

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0401/18/sharon4.jpg
Not that happy now.

[juhae]

2. I didn't know the name of the guy in the pic nor the reasons why he killed the swedish minister.
As far as I know, he has a record of psychological problems, which also relate to the murder.


2. Even free art should have its limits - calling people to murder other people is one of those limits and a "culture country' like sweden should know that.
As said before, political art is supposed to make you think, and not just from one perspective, but from different aspects.

You state the installation is about encouraging to kill more people, which I find rather interesting, since I personally didn't even see such a point of view before you mentioned it. Art is for us to be viewed, thought of, shared and discussed, and I am glad about the views expressed in this thread about the installation itself.

Personally I've always thought it's more like a tribute to all the shed blood and dead individuals, no matter which "side" they're on, instead of a installation of fanaticism and a shout for more death.

[S'13]

Swedish newspaper http://www.aftonbladet.se has a poll:

"Was it right or wrong to sabotage the installation?"

Yes (31.4 %)
No (64.6 %)
Don´t know (4.0 %)

20804 persons has voted.
Poll started 18 januari 09:35

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0401/18/sharon4.jpg
Not that happy now.

I wonder what would have been the result of the poll if that terrorist had blown herself up in a restaurant full of swedes... :roll:

As for Ariel Sharon, I don't think he is too upset about what happend.


PM: Gov't supports terror exhibit wrecking
By HERB KEINON

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told the cabinet Sunday that he fully supports Israel's ambassador to Sweden Zvi Mazel, who sparked a diplomatic incident when he wrecked a museum display Friday that he said glorified the suicide bomber who murdered 21 Israelis at the Maxim restaurant in Haifa last year.

Sharon said that he called the ambassador to thank him for taking action at the Stockholm museum.

"I thanked him for standing up against the growing anti-Semitism and I told him that the government stands behind his action," Sharon said. "I think that our ambassador acted as was necessary, the phenomenon was so grave that it was impossible not to react on the spot."

Sweden's ambassador to Israel, Robert Rydberg, said Sunday in a meeting with officials from the Foreign Ministry that he understands the actions of Ambassador Mazel, Radio Israel reported.

The relations between Sweden and Israel are strong enough to get over this crisis, the ambassador added.

A Swedish government spokesman said the Swedish Foreign Ministry will ask Mazel to explain why he vandalized the piece of art at the Museum of National Antiquities in Stockholm. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Anna Larsson said, "We will ask him to explain, and from our side we will maintain that it is unacceptable to destroy works of art in this way."

The exhibit, entitled "Snow White and the Madness of Truth," featured a small ship carrying a picture of Islamic Jihad bomber Hanadi Jaradat sailing in a rectangular pool filled with blood-colored water. Classical music was played in the background.

Mazel, who unplugged three spotlights illuminating the exhibit and apparently threw one of the spotlights into the pool, said he does not expect Sweden to declare him persona non grata when he is called into the Swedish Foreign Ministry on Monday.

"I felt that I was standing in front of a horror, I felt that I was standing in front of an exhibit that, while it was in an historic and big museum in the heart of Europe, was glorifying genocide. I was standing before an exhibit calling for genocide, praising the genocide of me, you, my brothers and sisters. I pulled the plug on the three spotlights and plunged the exhibit into darkness. I think one of the spotlights fell into water."

Mazel was asked to leave, but refused. The creators of the exhibit are musician Dror Feiler, an Israeli who has lived in Sweden since 1973, and his Swedish wife Gunilla Skold Feiler. Feiler composed the music that accompanied the exhibit, and his wife created the visuals.

Feiler, holding his saxophone, stood in front of the crowd, saying Mazel was trying to censor art, and asked the museum authorities to have him removed.

"I would like him to leave," Mazel said.
As he was being escorted out, museum director Kristian Berg said to Mazel, "You are a diplomatic person, you should know how to behave." Mazel replied, "You created a pool of blood of my brothers, and you told me do to nothing...the murderer was Snow White."

Mazel, explaining his action on Swedish Radio, said "This was not a piece of art. This was a monstrosity, an obscene distortion of reality. For me it was intolerable and an insult to the families of the victims. As ambassador [of] Israel I could not remain indifferent to such an obscene misrepresentation of reality."

Foreign Ministry deputy director Ran Kuriel, who heads the ministry's Western Europe department, spoke with Swedish ambassador to Israel Robert Rydberg and protested the exhibit.

Kuriel said that Israel views Sweden as responsible for the display, and that it is not possible to hide behind the claim of artistic freedom when talking about acts that justify attacks on Israeli citizens. He demanded that the Swedish government remove the display.

Ora Regev, whose son Nir was killed in the attack at Maxim restaurant, told The Jerusalem Post she would like to thank Mazel for his actions. "He did exactly what needed to be done," Regev said. "This may not have been diplomatically or politically correct, but the time has come for people to think about us as well, about our feelings."

She said the exhibit, which she only heard about following the incident, is a terrible insult to the families of the victims, and is a "prize for the terrorist." "There is a limit to freedom of expression," she said, adding that Feiler has no right to represent himself as an Israeli.

A Palestinian database on the Internet describes Feiler as an Israeli Jew "who moved to Sweden in 1973 after completing service as a parachutist in the Israeli Defense Force. Feiler was one of the early refuseniks in 1970 when he turned down service in Gaza, then under the command of Ariel Sharon.

Currently (2002) he is president of Jews for Israeli Palestinian Peace . The group has been organizing Jewish activists in Sweden against the occupation ever since its inception in 1982. JIPF actively works with Palestinian organizations on such projects as joint delegations to officials of the Swedish government."

Feiler told AP the exhibit was designed to draw attention to how weak people left alone can be capable of horrible things. He said Mazel "tried to stop free speech and free artistic expression from being carried out in Sweden."

Feiler issued a statement to the Israeli press afterward saying: "Mazel went crazy like an excited soccer fan. I could not believe my eyes when he started to destroy my exhibit. I think he did a bad service to the State of Israel. People in Sweden who hear about this say to themselves, if this is how an Israeli ambassador who is supposed to be diplomatic and restrained acts, how do the soldiers in the occupied territories behave."

Feiler said the exhibit was an "artistic creation and not a political manifesto, and it could be interpreted in different ways. Any reasonable person could understand that we were trying to express pain at the continued spilling of blood."

Mazel was invited to the museum to attend the opening of an artistic exhibition in connection with an international conference on preventing genocide set for later this month in Stockholm.

Foreign Ministry spokesman David Saranga said the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Saranga said Israel will "reconsider" its participation in the conference if the exhibit is not removed.

Mazel is a veteran diplomat who took up the posting in Sweden in 2002. He previously served as ambassador to Romania and Egypt.

In an interview with Army Radio on Saturday, Mazel said he felt "mortally wounded" when he saw the figure of the suicide bomber who killed 21 Israelis at the Maxim restaurant "floating as in serene peace" in a pool of red water. Mazel described the work as a "call to kill," glorifying Palestinian suicide bombers' murder of Israelis.

"It provoked the Israeli ambassador very, very much. He went furious," said Kristian Berg, director of the Historical Museum where the work, entitled "Snow White and the Madness of Truth," is on display.

"I had all the right in the world to act as I did," Mazel told ******* in an interview.

Orly Almog, who lost five family members in the suicide bombing, said Mazel's act was "100 percent justified."

"I think it is a shame for the State of Israel that an Israeli presents this horrible act as art, and I think that what the ambassador did is a thing deserving of praise," Almog said.

Minister for Diaspora Affairs Nathan Sharansky said the installation, which displays suicide bombers, "plays into the hands of those that wish to destroy the Jewish people."

"The Swedish government's attempt to hide behind freedom of expression is directly related to the anti-Semitic incidents Sweden has been infected with this last couple of years," Sharansky said.

Museum director Kristian Berg suggested that Mazel endangered those in the museum. "He pulled out the plugs and threw one of the spotlights into the fountain, which caused the entire installation to short-circuit and made it totally life-threatening," Berg told Swedish news agency TT, AFP reported.

The museum director said he did not consider the artwork to be a provocation. "It is rather an invitation to think about why such things happen in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," he said.

[mustamato]

As for Ariel Sharon, I don't know how you connected him to the whole matter but I think he couldn't care less about what happend.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,420701,00.html

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0401/18/sharon2.jpg
Israeli PM Ariel Sharon

Sharon honours the ambassador

PM Ariel Sharon honours the Israeli ambassador in Sweden, because he destroyed an artwork on the Historical museum in Stockholm.
- The whole government stands behind the amassador, says Sharon.

The Israeli ambassador to Sweden, Zvi Mazel becaome furious when he was the artwork on the historical museum in Stockholm, Friday. The artwork consists of a boat sailing in a dam with bloodred water. On the sail there is a portrait of the smiling suicide bomber Hanadi Jaradat, that killed 21 people in a attack. The museums security cameras shows how the ambassador takes the lights that stands by the dam and throws them in to the water. He later said that he thought that the artwork glorifies palestinian suicid bombers.

Called him up and thanked
Now he gets support from his PM.
- I called the ambassador in Sweden, Zvi Mazel yester day, och thanked him for his strength to withstand the growing antisemitics and said that the whole government stands behind him, said Sharon at a meeting on the sunday, according to AP.
- I think that ambassador Mazel has acted in a suitable manner. I think that the phenomenon (antisemitics) is so serious that it should have been forbidden to not do anything on spot.

Swedish ambassador in Israel: bad taste
The swedish ambassador in Israel, Robert Rydberg, calls the artwork for a test of bad taste.
- The whole problem is a missunderstand, the wrong picture of a artwork that can be seen as bad taste.

Meeting with Israel
On the sunday he was on meeting with the Israeli foreign departmen. During the meeting several israeli relatives to victims for suicide bombers protested, says israeli radio according to haaretz.com.
- The art work is of a palestinian women that has murdered innocent people. The names of the victims in Haifa are included. That doesn´t justifie suicide bombings. It is in my taste a test of bad test, men it has been taken the wrong way, says Robert Rydberg

___________________________________

Aftonbladets (Swedens largest eveningpaper), and part of their analysis:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,420534,00.html


Ambassadör Zvi Mazel reagerade som de israeliska soldaterna brukar göra när de är på patrull i palestinska städer där befolkningen inte ens får gå ut ur sina hus för att handla mat och hämta vatten. Eller skicka sina barn till skolan.
Soldaterna skjuter så fort de känner sig hotade eller uppfattar att någon inte lyder deras order. I bästa fall använder de gummikulor.
Aggressiviteten ligger hela tiden och vibrerar vid ytan. På båda sidor.
Men det är aldrig någon tvekan om vem som är överlägsen.

Beter sig som soldat
Ambassadören uppträder med samma självklara auktoritet och lika lättprovocerad som soldaterna. Lika övertygad om rättrådigheten i sitt handlande.
Han fullföljer den israeliska politiken i de palestinska områdena.
Får du en örfil så svara med ett knivhugg. Kastar någon en sten så svara med en skottsalva.
En ständig upptrappning av våldet är Israels taktik.
Bara inför de vidriga självmordsbombningarna står Israel hjälplöst. Hur trappar man upp våldet mot människor som dödar sig själva?
Ambassadörens handlande är ett uttryck för Israels frustration - lika mycket som rädsla och sorg - och allt större isolering. Med undantag av USA har Israels vänner blivit alltmer reserverade.

...Ambassador Zvi Mazel reacted as the israeli soldiers usually do when they are on patrol in palestinian cities, where the populationen can´t go out from their houses even to shop food or to get water. Or send their children to school. The soldiers shoots as soon as they feel threatened or thinks that someone is not obeying orders. In best case they use rubber bullets. The aggresivity is in the air. On both sides. But there is no doubt about who has the advantage.

Acts like a soldier
The ambassador acts with the same aucthority and is as easily provocated as the soldiers. Just as assured about the justification in his own actions. He fullfills the Israeli politics in the palestinian territories. If you get hit by a fist you answer with a stabbing. If someone throws a stone, answer with bullets. The Israeli tactics is to continue to escalate the violence. Only facing the disgusting suicide bombings Israel is helpless. How do you escalate the violence against someone that is killing herself? The ambassadors actions is a expression for the Israeli frustration. - As much as for the horror and sorrow - and even more isolation. With the exception of USA, Israel friends has become more reserved...

[Kriz]

You know what I don't understand about this stupid thing is why some Israelis/jews/persons make such a problem of this.
If you don't like a piece of art or a museum then don't visit it. That's like going to a cinema and start wrecking the place just because you didn't like the damn movie.
That wouldn't be tolerated either. If the ambassodor has a problem with the piece of art, that he speaks out his opinion sure. But don't try and destroy someone else's work.

[S'13]

Aftonbladets (Swedens largest eveningpaper), and part of their analysis:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,420534,00.html

Quote:
Ambassadör Zvi Mazel reagerade som de israeliska soldaterna brukar göra när de är på patrull i palestinska städer där befolkningen inte ens får gå ut ur sina hus för att handla mat och hämta vatten. Eller skicka sina barn till skolan.
Soldaterna skjuter så fort de känner sig hotade eller uppfattar att någon inte lyder deras order. I bästa fall använder de gummikulor.
Aggressiviteten ligger hela tiden och vibrerar vid ytan. På båda sidor.
Men det är aldrig någon tvekan om vem som är överlägsen.

Beter sig som soldat
Ambassadören uppträder med samma självklara auktoritet och lika lättprovocerad som soldaterna. Lika övertygad om rättrådigheten i sitt handlande.
Han fullföljer den israeliska politiken i de palestinska områdena.
Får du en örfil så svara med ett knivhugg. Kastar någon en sten så svara med en skottsalva.
En ständig upptrappning av våldet är Israels taktik.
Bara inför de vidriga självmordsbombningarna står Israel hjälplöst. Hur trappar man upp våldet mot människor som dödar sig själva?
Ambassadörens handlande är ett uttryck för Israels frustration - lika mycket som rädsla och sorg - och allt större isolering. Med undantag av USA har Israels vänner blivit alltmer reserverade.


...Ambassador Zvi Mazel reacted as the israeli soldiers usually do when they are on patrol in palestinian cities, where the populationen can´t go out from their houses even to shop food or to get water. Or send their children to school. The soldiers shoots as soon as they feel threatened or thinks that someone is not obeying orders. In best case they use rubber bullets. The aggresivity is in the air. On both sides. But there is no doubt about who has the advantage.

Acts like a soldier
The ambassador acts with the same aucthority and is as easily provocated as the soldiers. Just as assured about the justification in his own actions. He fullfills the Israeli politics in the palestinian territories. If you get hit by a fist you answer with a stabbing. If someone throws a stone, answer with bullets. The Israeli tactics is to continue to escalate the violence. Only facing the disgusting suicide bombings Israel is helpless. How do you escalate the violence against someone that is killing herself? The ambassadors actions is a expression for the Israeli frustration. - As much as for the horror and sorrow - and even more isolation. With the exception of USA, Israel friends has become more reserved...
_________________
http://hem.passagen.se/finnisharmyequipment/index2.htm

That's Swedens largest eveningpaper! Why am I not surprised...

[mustamato]

That's Swedens largest eveningpaper! Why am I not surprised...

They don´t have any opinions of their own, it´s a tabloid, like the Sun or something like that, they write what the majority of the swedish people think anyway so that they can sell more newspapers. That´s the point.

The more serious newspapers has just reported about the incident shortly and in a neutral manner, and then nothing more about it.

[S'13]

why some Israelis/jews/persons make such a problem of this.

Lets make a display glorifying someone who is a mass murderer of Belgians and see how you like it.

[Krzysztof]

That's Swedens largest eveningpaper! Why am I not surprised...

They don´t have any opinions of their own, it´s a tabloid, like the Sun or something like that, they write what the majority of the swedish people think anyway so that they can sell more newspapers. That´s the point.

The more serious newspapers has just reported about the incident shortly and in a neutral manner, and then nothing more about it.

However it's important to know that the quoted text from the Aftonbladet newspaper was an editorial analysis written by journalist Wolfgang Hansson and thus not to be interprented as a normal news article. I am not in any way trying to defent Aftonbladet here, they suck big time IMHO, I just thought that it was important to make this clear for everyone in this thread.[/i][/b]

[ArmoredDov_D9]

The Swedes and the artist ignored the feeling of the terror victims and abused them in a most depictable manner. Those who sancitify terror and saulting murderers will not held clean. The ambassador did the right thing and obeyed his moral duty not to let the anti-Israeli artist and his supporters\collaberators to feast on the blood of the terror victims.

http://img1.tapuz.co.il/forums/26268730.gif

[El'Potato]

I only have one question for all you Israelis about one thing:

Are you guys _really_ so offended by us Swedes not supporting your "righteus" war against the oooh so evil unoppressed, unoffended, unjustified :roll: for their very own war agaisnt state terrorism that you go down to a level bashing a murdered Swedish politican?

Not that I care, but I just find it funny that you become _so_ aggrivated just because people don't want to agree with you?

I mean... Come on! I won't debate the conflict on it's own now, lets just forget that I even mentioned it for starters! But do you truly believe that only _you_ are the ones that are right? That no one else is that, only wrong and have _nothing_ to say about the conflict?



There's one thing to understand:
Convincing another part to your opinions can NOT be done by force.
It's the god damn call of history!!

Do you believe that the Nazi's could have convinced everyone that Arians were a master race with ww2?
Do you believe that you are going to crush violence with violence?
Do you believe that I could convince the world that we all are equals by killing all those not agreeing?
Do you believe that by shooting a man fighting for something he believes in makes your cause greater?



I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing that there is only ONE good side in a conflict, and the opposing satan reincarnated!
It's like claiming that green apples tastes better for everyone just because YOU say so!

It's god damn it stupid, and I won't care how much flak you'll give me for this one. I cannot care when people don't want to see that they could be wrong themselves!!

In my eyes, that is selfrighteusness and therefor no better then a freakin' neonazi or racist running up and down a street claiming that the only ones that commits crimes in say LA are "god damn negroes".



So now, before you unleash your fury answer me my questions in a mature way, and I might as well even respond if I find any reason for it.

[Burning Angel]

Can someone please explain: How can a boat on a sea of blood be glorifying? :(

Of course - it is a very emotional subject - but how can the disease be cured if you can not discuss it's causes?

[citizen-k]

Another Israeli "ART":
http://www.halemo.com/satiroom/images8/swedead.jpg

This image was created by an Israeli guy who gets himself arrested now and then for insulting public figures and other internet related "crimes" (he called a supreme court judge a "whore" in one of his pictures)


http://www.halemo.com/satiroom/index.html

[Kriz]

why some Israelis/jews/persons make such a problem of this.

Lets make a display glorifying someone who is a mass murderer of Belgians and see how you like it.

To be honest I really wouldn't give a rats ass. Man we've been slaughtererd troughout European history and Belgium has been host to many conflicts. But we don't freak out every time someone sayz something that might be offending to belgians.

Jeez just because your jewish and yeah the jews have perhaps suffered a harsh history doesn't mean your today's black sheep and everyone is always trying to ass**ck you.

Instead of tearing down the piece of art you might WONDER WHY an Israeli made this. On top of that if you think that Swedes are all terrorloving people then it's clear whose the real retard here.

And if this behaviour is also present in your actions against Palestinians well then I can sure see why they would like to resort to violence ;)

Anyway just your dose of rant, don't take it bad okay ?

[budanski]

http://www.expressen.se/content/1/c6/09/77/29/c7a614fe.jpg

http://www.thegremlin.com/PSTR/snowwhitequeen.JPG

Snow White, huh? She's looking more like the Evil Queen...

[S'13]

To be honest I really wouldn't give a rats ass.

I'm sorry to hear that...


Man we've been slaughtererd troughout European history and Belgium has been host to many conflicts. But we don't freak out every time someone sayz something that might be offending to belgians.

If we would be "freaking out" as you put it every time someone said something offending about us, we wouldn't have a moment to be calm. And belive me I am calm right now, just simply amazed at your inability to understand the ambassadors actions, even though they weren't diplomatic but maybe it's the only way to pass the message to the European public. Maybe after a coffee shop in Brussels will be blown up you will understand our viewpoint (or maybe even then you "won't give a rats ass"...)


Jeez just because your jewish and yeah the jews have perhaps suffered a harsh history doesn't mean your today's black sheep and everyone is always trying to ass**ck you.

What the... Did I mention the word "Jew" once in my post?! But now that you brought it up... I don't know what you have heard but there are a lot of anti-Israeli voices and actions going around in Europe and it's been going beyond all limits.


Instead of tearing down the piece of art you might WONDER WHY an Israeli made this.

First of all this man is a former Israeli. I do wonder why but can't find any logical reason (maybe this person was accidentally droped on his head when he was a baby) and I am ashamed of this man, of course he is well known for been an anti-Israeli, and as I mentioned before anti-Israeli voices and actions have been going beyond all limits and maybe this is the only way to pass the message to the Europeans.


And if this behaviour is also present in your actions against Palestinians well then I can sure see why they would like to resort to violence

Our actions are againts Palestinian terrorists who resort to murdering innocent civilians. this is something which no matter what can't be justified and can't be understandable by any person (unless the person is very sick).


Anyway just your dose of rant, don't take it bad okay ?

Really?! You can't be that merciful... ;)

[fantassin]

there are a lot of anti-Israeli voices and actions going around in Europe


Shouldn't it make you wonder why?

[UkrainianAmerican]

there are a lot of anti-Israeli voices and actions going around in Europe


Shouldn't it make you wonder why?
No. Everyone knows the answer to that. And its not the "settlements", thats for sure.

[Nite]

I did know that she was pro-arab and a terror supporter long before the murder but it didn't make me to hate her - only to pity her miserable life.

Well, that is the problem. Everybody who has a different opinion than you have is a terrorist supporter, which in fact is BS.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I did know that she was pro-arab and a terror supporter long before the murder but it didn't make me to hate her - only to pity her miserable life.

Well, that is the problem. Everybody who has a different opinion than you have is a terrorist supporter, which in fact is BS.
By supporting Arafarts PA, she is in fact supporting terrorism.

This enlightenment has been Brought to you by: RussianAmerican

[Kriz]

And if this behaviour is also present in your actions against Palestinians well then I can sure see why they would like to resort to violence

Our actions are againts Palestinian terrorists who resort to murdering innocent civilians. this is something which no matter what can't be justified and can't be understandable by any person (unless the person is very sick).



I fail to see how taking Palestinian lands after world war two in order to create Israel is an action against Palestinian terrorists. I fail to see how taking even more land from them in the decades thereafter are actions against terrorism....
Ow and btw if your actions are only directed against terrorists I find it very weird that blowing up an entire appartment block in which maybe one terrorists lives helps against terrorism. The only thing your acheiving with that is creating more potential terrorists.

[Javehn]

And i am fail to see how the hell you all presume to make such assumptions on Israel , where infact in your words is obvios you know **** about it . Thank you for teaching us how to deal with terrorists , i will see personally , that the IDF head of doctorine will receave your wonderfull insightes , and your gold words and truth . Indeed , it is so clear to me now that you have explained this , thank you . Now go and do what your aviatar does , young boy .

I must say however this thing to fello Israelies here . It's obvios that not all Europians love us , we have to deal with it . What to do , that is the hard facts. To make such a pictures , and statements will not help us a bit .I think that this matter shoudn't be brought in here , sence it is understandable it will not win some respect to us . Art or peace of **** , some things shouldn't be done (specially by Diplomats ) , and more and more discusted about . Everybody are humans , humans make mistakes , and sometimes they should be punished on some mistakes , instead of making them look good .

[StarvingStudent47]

there are a lot of anti-Israeli voices and actions going around in Europe


Shouldn't it make you wonder why?

What was Europe's excuse for all the anti-Semitic voices in the 1930s and 1940s?

I may as well take an African-American and ask them "why did so many white people hate you in the Jim Crow south? You must have made them hate you. It's your fault." Or take a woman and say "why do so many women get raped? You must have made men do it. It's your fault."

[StarvingStudent47]

As for the "free art" thing:

1. A pro israeli item was removed from the exhibition due to a request from the Syrians.

For everyone saying "how dare an Israel diplomat restrict someone's ability to display art?" I ask you to explain THIS. Double effing standard.

[Red]

wow,this thread has grown.Hey men you guys should stop arguing with the swedes,it aint woth it.It is like arguing with a hungry baby,no matter what you say the baby will still cry for food.Most of Europe for a very long time in my opinion been very anti-semitic,so i wonder why you guys are so angry when these swedes say what they are saying.But on the other hand,i do think that the israeli's have jumped the gun on this one,you dont need the swedes to like you,after all the israeli's could kick their asses anyday :D .All i am saying is everyone just calm down,and reason.hey is there anyone going to watch the movie "passions" by mel gibson,i cant wait for it to come out.From waht i have seen the movie is very accurate in its depiction of the life and death of jesus.

[fantassin]

What was Europe's excuse for all the anti-Semitic voices in the 1930s and 1940s?

Probably the same excuse as the one used by the US government to impose quotas on the number of Jews who could immigrate to the USA in 1940 while trying to escape nazism.


America is fearful of espionage in 1940. Breckenridge Long, as head of the State Department, greatly reduced Jewish immigration to the US to control possible spies and saboteurs from coming to America. Long was willing to use illegal means to control the flow of Jewish refugees. He ordered American consulates to put every obstacle in the path of immigrants trying to come to America. Long centralized the final approval of all visas to the State Department office in America, making the process much slower and increasing the paperwork and time needed for approval. American Jews has no power in 1940. It was very difficult to petition the government for help. One man who made inroads to empower the Jews was Rabbi Stephen Wise. Wise openly and publicly condemned the Nazis and pressured the US government to help European Jews. Many Jews were not vocal against Roosevelt because of fear of losing position in many of the New Deal government departments, some of the few government positions opened to Jews. In the election of 1940, Roosevelt carried 90% of the Jewish vote. They placed their hope in him, believing he would act to help there European brothers.

[Antepilani]

I fail to see how you can morally equate the mostly free state of Israel with the PA. The fact is under control of the Israeli government, Palestinians enjoyed far more rights then they do now.

[Red]

What was Europe's excuse for all the anti-Semitic voices in the 1930s and 1940s?

Probably the same excuse as the one used by the US government to impose quotas on the number of Jews who could immigrate to the USA in 1940 while trying to escape nazism.
at least the US let some enter,but what did any european country do for them?

[unwanted]

What was Europe's excuse for all the anti-Semitic voices in the 1930s and 1940s?

Probably the same excuse as the one used by the US government to impose quotas on the number of Jews who could immigrate to the USA in 1940 while trying to escape nazism.
at least the US let some enter,but what did any european country do for them?

Well let see .. is this enough for you ..

"At the same time, many Swedish organizations and labor unions as well as journals and newspapers such as Göteborgs Handels och Sjöfarts Tidning and Trots Allt supported a liberal invandringspolitik and argued on humanitarian grounds for openness to immigration and tolerance. As is well-known, some Swedish diplomats such as Raoul Wallenberg as well as the Swedish Red Cross (1943 and after), among others, played an heroic role during World War II. Many Swedes and Swedish organizations played a key part in the rescue of thousands of Danish Jews (through the "Danska Dunkerque", Autumn, 1943) as well as Jews in Norway and Hungary. "

If you want to read more ..

http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/texts/tb_ji_js.html#2a

[Mr. Nielsen]

What was Europe's excuse for all the anti-Semitic voices in the 1930s and 1940s?.

The third reich was not europe. Trying to implicate all of europe in the policies of nazi germany is nonsense.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I fail to see how you can morally equate the mostly free state of Israel with the PA. The fact is under control of the Israeli government, Palestinians enjoyed far more rights then they do now.

Did they?

[Bobs]

Guys, calm down!

Why cant we be friends? :(

Im an strong supporter for Israels right to exist and im TOTALLY against terrorism, but:

1. PLZ DONT MAKE FUN OF OUR MURDERED FOREIGN MINISTER!!!! She was an rolemodel and much loved by us! I mean, what the f*ck has she done to Israel? She, and the government that we are having now is in fact very pro-israeli!

Plz, bee nice. YOU DONT BASH A MURDERED MINISTER!!!!! sHOW SOME f*cking manners...

2. I am really, really tired of all this anti-swede, anti-europe ****. It seems that many americans and israelis only use this forum as a place where u can throw **** against others.

3. I LOVE America and its values, plz; dont let med change my mind beacause now im really pissed off.

Regards

Robert, swedish student

[Red]

Guys, calm down!

Why cant we be friends? :(

Im an strong supporter for Israels right to exist and im TOTALLY against terrorism, but:

1. PLZ DONT MAKE FUN OF OUR MURDERED FOREIGN MINISTER!!!! She was an rolemodel and much loved by us! I mean, what the f*ck has she done to Israel? She, and the government that we are having now is in fact very pro-israeli!

Plz, bee nice. YOU DONT BASH A MURDERED MINISTER!!!!! sHOW SOME f*cking manners...

2. I am really, really tired of all this anti-swede, anti-europe ****. It seems that many americans and israelis only use this forum as a place where u can throw **** against others.

3. I LOVE America and its values, plz; dont let med change my mind beacause now im really pissed off.

Regards

Robert, swedish student
change your mind,who cares.

[El'Potato]

wow,this thread has grown.Hey men you guys should stop arguing with the swedes,it aint woth it.It is like arguing with a hungry baby,no matter what you say the baby will still cry for food.Most of Europe for a very long time in my opinion been very anti-semitic,so i wonder why you guys are so angry when these swedes say what they are saying.But on the other hand,i do think that the israeli's have jumped the gun on this one,you dont need the swedes to like you,after all the israeli's could kick their asses anyday :D .All i am saying is everyone just calm down,and reason.hey is there anyone going to watch the movie "passions" by mel gibson,i cant wait for it to come out.From waht i have seen the movie is very accurate in its depiction of the life and death of jesus.

Now THIS **** i some serious fun :D

Especially the part about us being antisemitic!! hahahha, oh my oh my I can't stop laughing!!

Ok ok, so NOW I get it: Agree-with-Israel-no-matter-what-including-state-terrorism = A good, righteus man who is very insightful and educated...
No agreeing with Israel = A F*CKIN' TERRORIST SUPPORTING ANTISEMIT!!!

That's where the ball goes huh?

I can't even believe that people think like you?!?!
The world is NOT black and damn it white!!

But if you want to seriously believe that, then I really hope you won't leave that hole of yours that you've been living in all these years :|

[Javehn]

Or let me refrase your words to you .

Someone who argues about something , that he have no idea on , making some trully idiotic childish remarks , but still shure he is right , and sometimes make remarks like "the world is not all black and white , you know " to make him sound like trully genios and wise man - Smart man ( some of them are on this very thread ;) ) .

Someone who knows what he is talking about , and not from newspapers , but rather from personal experience , knows for real that not all black and white - Idiot and not worth to be listen to .

Now all this thread is idiotic , and not teaching no one in here something new ( but rather prooves that some people like to argue they ass off ) . The fact that i am not agree with some things about this story and the actions done by ambassador , like many Israelies , are not so important to you i see . No problem , continue . I personally **** on Europian views of my country (some of them are simple ignorance , lack of balls sometimes , who knows ? God ways are misterios) , and i intent to do so when i come this summer to you . I hope i will enjoy in sunny Paris , and have a good time in Netherland .

[Red]

wow,this thread has grown.Hey men you guys should stop arguing with the swedes,it aint woth it.It is like arguing with a hungry baby,no matter what you say the baby will still cry for food.Most of Europe for a very long time in my opinion been very anti-semitic,so i wonder why you guys are so angry when these swedes say what they are saying.But on the other hand,i do think that the israeli's have jumped the gun on this one,you dont need the swedes to like you,after all the israeli's could kick their asses anyday :D .All i am saying is everyone just calm down,and reason.hey is there anyone going to watch the movie "passions" by mel gibson,i cant wait for it to come out.From waht i have seen the movie is very accurate in its depiction of the life and death of jesus.

Now THIS **** i some serious fun :D

Especially the part about us being antisemitic!! hahahha, oh my oh my I can't stop laughing!!

Ok ok, so NOW I get it: Agree-with-Israel-no-matter-what-including-state-terrorism = A good, righteus man who is very insightful and educated...
No agreeing with Israel = A F*CKIN' TERRORIST SUPPORTING ANTISEMIT!!!

That's where the ball goes huh?

I can't even believe that people think like you?!?!
The world is NOT black and damn it white!!

But if you want to seriously believe that, then I really hope you won't leave that hole of yours that you've been living in all these years :|
Dont be smug with me dude,like i said it was just my opinion so go drink some camel juice.Hey to all the israeli's what do you guys think of the new movie coming out,"passions" i think it is great,but the JDL dont agree.

[UkrainianAmerican]

wow,this thread has grown.Hey men you guys should stop arguing with the swedes,it aint woth it.It is like arguing with a hungry baby,no matter what you say the baby will still cry for food.Most of Europe for a very long time in my opinion been very anti-semitic,so i wonder why you guys are so angry when these swedes say what they are saying.But on the other hand,i do think that the israeli's have jumped the gun on this one,you dont need the swedes to like you,after all the israeli's could kick their asses anyday :D .All i am saying is everyone just calm down,and reason.hey is there anyone going to watch the movie "passions" by mel gibson,i cant wait for it to come out.From waht i have seen the movie is very accurate in its depiction of the life and death of jesus.

Now THIS **** i some serious fun :D

Especially the part about us being antisemitic!! hahahha, oh my oh my I can't stop laughing!!

Ok ok, so NOW I get it: Agree-with-Israel-no-matter-what-including-state-terrorism = A good, righteus man who is very insightful and educated...
No agreeing with Israel = A F*CKIN' TERRORIST SUPPORTING ANTISEMIT!!!

That's where the ball goes huh?

I can't even believe that people think like you?!?!
The world is NOT black and damn it white!!

But if you want to seriously believe that, then I really hope you won't leave that hole of yours that you've been living in all these years :|
Dont be smug with me dude,like i said it was just my opinion so go drink some camel juice.Hey to all the israeli's what do you guys think of the new movie coming out,"passions" i think it is great,but the JDL dont agree.
JDL is loosing respect in my eyes. Sure the movie isnt exactly a philosemits (one who likes jewish culture) dream come true, but to say that it is antisemetic on purpose, and is incitement of antisemetism is pure nonsense. Too bad that JDL acted like Al "Racebaiter" SHarpton in this case. :(

[Groove]

yes its art. im intelligent enough to NOT go there and bash it !

[UkrainianAmerican]

yes its art. im intelligent enough to NOT go there and bash it !
And what about the pro-israeli art, banned by that same "museum"?

[Pille1234]

http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz2.jpghttp://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz3.jpg
http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz5.jpghttp://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz6.jpg
more information about that art here: http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz.htm
can be seen in New York.
-> Israeli ambassador, plz take action and destroy those disrespectul art installations. Oh wait, it's in New York, they are not anti-semitic europeans.

[Red]

http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz2.jpghttp://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz3.jpg
http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz5.jpghttp://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz6.jpg
more information about that art here: http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz.htm
can be seen in New York.
-> Israeli ambassador, plz take action and destroy those disrespectul art installations. Oh wait, it's in New York, they are not anti-semitic europeans.
bwhahahahahahahaha,sorry i could not help myself.But that was funny

[REMOV]

can be seen in New York... in the Jewish Museum (http://www.jewishmuseum.org/home/) exhibition called "Mirroring Evil; Nazi Imagery, Recent Art". More articles: (1) (http://www.culturevulture.net/ArtandArch2/MirroringEvil.htm), (2) (http://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/article.asp?idart=8970).

Israeli ambassador, plz take action and destroy those disrespectul art installations. Oh wait, it's in New York, they are not anti-semitic europeans.Eh, boys... The aim of EVERY art is to arouse emotions of any type. If you talk about the piece of Swedish art, the whole goals of artist are achieved. Sometimes installations are scary, awful, beautiful and sometimes just scandalous, but is just an art.

Well, tell me what is a difference between destroying a modern art and blowing up the old religius figures, like taliban did? They are also shoked by the anonymous artist, right? And statues also offended their feelings. Nobody defines the range of art, and sometimes it shoked.

But such art is only a performance not political declaration of any nation. It's strange how people confused that things...

[Pille1234]

ya remov, I coudn't have said better.

[mustamato]

Well, tell me what is a difference between destroying a modern art and blowing up the old religius figures, like taliban did?

That´s a good comparison actually. Not much pisses me of really, but when the talibans were blowing these up in Bamiyan I was really annoyed, I would have liked to see them in real life, but now I can forget that. It´s sad that it´s so easy to destroy things, it must have taken hundreds of years to build these.

Bamiyan, Afghanistan and true artwork destroyed by the taliban:

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/460046.jpg

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/460081.jpg

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461131.jpg

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/460069.jpg

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461133.jpg

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461138.jpg

[gorg]

I think this entire thread is just about citizen-k's hate for the Swedish people after an ISRAELI artpiece.
Couldn't we al just get along? Answer: No, the world doesn't work that way.

[Javehn]

First of all , no one is hating Swedish people . Maybe they political views , that is something else , but no one is hating Swedish people , they have most fine babes in the world , damnit :P .
And second , many Israelies including myself think that ambassador done something he should be done at all , and acted like an ass , made ass from himself , and make us look even worse then we are today .

[mustamato]

"Was it right to destroy the installation?

Yes (31.3 %)
No (64.5 %)
Don´t know (4.2 %)

44560 persons has voted.
The poll started 18 januari 09:35 (the clock is now here 01:02, 19th Jan.)"

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,420789,00.html

The museums artistic leader threatened to life
STOCKHOLM
The artconflict has led to some nasty followups. The installations artistic leader Thomas Nordanstad is threatened to life, and on Sunday he was attacked outside the museum by a unknown man.

And basically it says that he has been threatened to his life, he has got hundreds of e-mails and people has been sending him svastikas and stuff like that. He has been offered a bodyguard but has declined for the time being. The installation has now got its own guards because there has been attempts from people to sabotage if. Under the Sunday the protests escalated. Except the attack on Thomas Nordenstad a group of activists tried to give leaflets to people in the museum but was kicked out. Another group throwed pictures of israeli victims for suicide bombers in to the frozen surface of the water. Also the artists themself has been threatened but they are not worried and they installation will remain in place, because it´s important that people come and see it for themselfes they say.

[SeanAshi]

I think this entire thread is just about citizen-k's hate for the Swedish people after an ISRAELI artpiece
I would have dropped my pants and taken a leak in the pool, and say "This is what I think about your art"

[mustamato]

I think this entire thread is just about citizen-k's hate for the Swedish people after an ISRAELI artpiece
I would have dropped my pants and taken a leak in the pool, and say "This is what I think about your art"

Vandalising, urinating in public, well and also show your balls in public is a crime. So yeah, hell of a protest.

[SeanAshi]

I did that in the parking lot of a McDonalds and went to detox station, and was put in a large room with about 50 other drunks, fun let me tell ya.

[RealUltimatePower]

I got to this topic late so I don't mean the offend or stir up anything but WTF is with you people in Sweden?!

Making some kindof artistic glorification of a suicide bomber!! I'm all for freedom of expression however, all our freedoms have limits.

I think it's just disgusting that your artist would do that and that people there would want to go see it.

I swear I'm never buying anything from Ikea again and my kids will have to make due with blocko the cheaper immitation lego.

Forshame sweden I used to think you were cool. :slap:

[duck]

The murders of Olof Palme and Anna Lindh could also be an inspiration for some provoking and maybe somewhat humorous peaces of art. The "collective sorrow" of swedes on both occasions could be ridiculed as an outdated ritus of a small nation living in the past and racism in swedish society as a reason and motive for these crimes brought into the open.

Well, not really. After all, we respect the dead and try not to turn murder into performance. Even swedish retards should get some understanding for their arrogant posture, they just retype what they are taught by left-wing teachers at HS and college. Sweden - a nation of lemmings.

[Haiw]

:cantbeli:
and LEGO is Danish...

[Cloaken]

I got to this topic late so I don't mean the offend or stir up anything but WTF is with you people in Sweden?!

Making some kindof artistic glorification of a suicide bomber!! I'm all for freedom of expression however, all our freedoms have limits.

I think it's just disgusting that your artist would do that and that people there would want to go see it.

I swear I'm never buying anything from Ikea again and my kids will have to make due with blocko the cheaper immitation lego.

Forshame sweden I used to think you were cool. :slap:


Some important things then, first of all the "artist" isnt swedish what i know of anyway.
Most of the people i have talked whit about this dont understand why this "art" is here or what the goal whit it is and think it shouldnt be there.
So please dont judge Sweden from this.
On your question about whats wrong whit swedes the answer is its the people who rule it its wrong whit.

[SeanAshi]

A lego concentration camp, terrible! :cantbeli:

[StarvingStudent47]

1. PLZ DONT MAKE FUN OF OUR MURDERED FOREIGN MINISTER!!!! She was an rolemodel and much loved by us! I mean, what the f*ck has she done to Israel? She, and the government that we are having now is in fact very pro-israeli!

Plz, bee nice. YOU DONT BASH A MURDERED MINISTER!!!!! sHOW SOME f*cking manners...


That's what Israelis and Americans are saying about the 20-odd people murdered at Maxim Restaurant. I hear what you are saying, but this road MUST go both ways.

[mustamato]

1. PLZ DONT MAKE FUN OF OUR MURDERED FOREIGN MINISTER!!!! She was an rolemodel and much loved by us! I mean, what the f*ck has she done to Israel? She, and the government that we are having now is in fact very pro-israeli!

Plz, bee nice. YOU DONT BASH A MURDERED MINISTER!!!!! sHOW SOME f*cking manners...


That's what Israelis and Americans are saying about the 20-odd people murdered at Maxim Restaurant. I hear what you are saying, but this road MUST go both ways.

I somehow fail to get it. Our government where this murdered Anna Lindh was a PM were pro-Israel. Sure they sometimes condemned Israeli actions on palestinian territory, but they didn´t vote against Israel in the UN, or did anything really hostile against Israel to my knowledge. I even remember when Baraks government praised this Anna Lindh because of a holocaust conference in Stockholm a couple of years ago. And then we have this great freedom of speach that so that a Israeli can come here and put up a installation, the artist is a Israeli citizen and his wife, a jew as well to my knowledge. The man destroying the installation was a Israeli ambassador.

AND THE SWEDES GET THE BLAME? That´s just so retarded. It doesn´t really make swedes like jews/israelis more you know. Several swedes I´ve been talking to have not had very positive comments about this, it´s simply schutzpah.

[Whistler]

Ok, all politics aside...

Does this "art" make ANY ****ing sense at all?

I've looked at it for 5 minutes straight. I still don't get it.

A suicide bombers portrait floating in a pool of blood, and it gets displayed in a museum? What the hell?

Sometimes I think that if I took a **** on my hand then threw it at the wall I could probably sell it for a million dollars.

[StarvingStudent47]

I somehow fail to get it. Our government where this murdered Anna Lindh was a PM were pro-Israel. Sure they sometimes condemned Israeli actions on palestinian territory, but they didn´t vote against Israel in the UN, or did anything really hostile against Israel to my knowledge. I even remember when Baraks government praised this Anna Lindh because of a holocaust conference in Stockholm a couple of years ago. And then we have this great freedom of speach that so that a Israeli can come here and put up a installation, the artist is a Israeli citizen and his wife, a jew as well to my knowledge. The man destroying the installation was a Israeli ambassador.

AND THE SWEDES GET THE BLAME? That´s just so retarded. It doesn´t really make swedes like jews/israelis more you know. Several swedes I´ve been talking to have not had very positive comments about this, it´s simply schutzpah.

The fact that the artist has Israeli citizenship means nothing. Timothy McVeigh and John Walker Lindh (American Taliban fighter--no relation to Anna Lindh) were both American citizens. Doesn't mean they weren't horrifically anti-American. The bastard who murdered Anna Lindh in cold blood was a Swedish citizen. Does that mean he suddenly isn't anti-Sweden? I don't think so.

Why are Swedes taking ****? Because they're all jumping in defense of this "art" piece, defending not just the artist's right to make it but the content itself (see newspaper column from above). Because your mainstream Swede is getting all self-righteous about displaying this terrorist-praising art "in the name of free speech"...

...WHILE BANNING A PRO-ISRAELI ART PIECE FROM THE SAME EXHIBIT IN ORDER TO PLACATE SYRIA.


It doesn´t really make swedes like jews/israelis more you know.

Well expressing such callousness about 20 murdered Israelis while demanding that the world join you in mourning for your own victims of terrorism doesn't make Americans or Israelis like YOU any more. And frankly, Israel doesn't have much to lose at this point. Remember you had ALREADY banned the pro-Israeli art before this whole affair started?

[StarvingStudent47]

Ok, all politics aside...

Does this "art" make ANY f*** sense at all?

I've looked at it for 5 minutes straight. I still don't get it.

A suicide bombers portrait floating in a pool of blood, and it gets displayed in a museum? What the hell?

Sometimes I think that if I took a **** on my hand then threw it at the wall I could probably sell it for a million dollars.

When I combine the imagery and the "Snow White" title, this is what I get:

Look at beautiful Hanadi Jaradat. She is smiling almost like Mona Lisa. Carnage surrounds her, Israeli blood flows everywhere, but she has risen above this. She floats above it, serenly. She is better than this "Insane truth." There is no stain on her soul. She is "Snow White," pure and innocent as the driven snow. She is a hero.

[mustamato]

1.) Anna Lindh was not murdered by a terrorist. She was stabbed by a insane man that heard voices from Jesus inside his head. He was usually on heavy medication, but he hadn´t been taking it the days before he stabbed here, and hadn´t been sleeping either. He is simply mentally ill. And Anna Lindh is not a terrorist victim. Just because USA/Israel use that term as an excuse to kill people doesn´t mean that it´s the case in Sweden. It takes much to actually be a terrorist in Sweden. Mijailo Mijailovic is simply just a mentally ill criminal.

2.) About that other work of art removed, here in Sweden we have very strict laws against racism and so forth, this due to the fact that we have so much minorites of all kinds. The main reason these laws exist is probably to protect jews! We have many many moslems in this country but not that many jews. So the moslems can´t spread their antisemitic propaganda in this country, it´s illegal. The reason to why that other work of art was removed was due to the fact that it broke the law while pointing out the whole people of Syria to be responsible for something that only a few people did. It´s both stupid... and illegal. The boat with the suicide bomber doesn´t point out any specific group of people as the ones responsible, and is thus legal.

[StarvingStudent47]

By the way, everyone: according to CNN, the Israeli diplomat UNPLUGGED A SPOTLIGHT that was shining on the display. That's right. He didn't smash it to bits. He didn't blow it up like the Bamiyan Buddhas. He UNPLUGGED A LIGHT.

Call it performance art ;)

Can someone please give me a link to a precise description of this allegedly "racist" Israeli art that was banned, when this so-called "thought-provoking and poignant" art was left in? I want to hear exactly what was so controversial that it could not be allowed to be displayed in Sweden.

[UkrainianAmerican]

By the way, everyone: according to CNN, the Israeli diplomat UNPLUGGED A SPOTLIGHT that was shining on the display. That's right. He didn't smash it to bits. He didn't blow it up like the Bamiyan Buddhas. He UNPLUGGED A LIGHT.

Call it performance art ;)

Can someone please give me a link to a precise description of this allegedly "racist" Israeli art that was banned, when this so-called "thought-provoking and poignant" art was left in? I want to hear exactly what was so controversial that it could not be allowed to be displayed in Sweden.
x2

[mustamato]

Can someone please give me a link to a precise description of this allegedly "racist" Israeli art that was banned, when this so-called "thought-provoking and poignant" art was left in? I want to hear exactly what was so controversial that it could not be allowed to be displayed in Sweden.

Well I didn´t even know that one of the artworks had been banned before I read it here. So you probably know it better than I do, but I assume that it has to do with that it was simply illegal. If you look at their program there is a lot of pro-Israel/USA in this as I can see:

http://www.makingdifferences.com/site/calendar.php?lang=en

[Marxist203]

Referring to us from Sweden? In that case I can point out that we don´t understand hebrew.

Well, he said all the "Terror loving swedes in the world" he must mean you too pal. What I dont like is how Americans and Israeli's feel like they are the only victims of terrorism.

[fantassin]

a small nation living in the past

Usual way of naming any European country whenever they happen to do something the USA or Israel does not like.

BTW, living with the past is not a bad thing, it's called having a history. True, not every country can claim having one, you need to have been there a while.

Try something new for a change.

[citizen-k]

I did know that she was pro-arab and a terror supporter long before the murder but it didn't make me to hate her - only to pity her miserable life.

Well, that is the problem. Everybody who has a different opinion than you have is a terrorist supporter, which in fact is BS.

Arafat is a terrorist
+
She supported Arafat
=
She supported terrorists

Now that was easy, right?

But, whats most important - I don't care! the whole point is I don't care who/why she was murdered, and it didn't make me happy - thats why I don't think calling thisa picture "the mental cases snow white" will make it art.

[citizen-k]

a small nation living in the past

Usual way of naming any European country whenever they happen to do something the USA or Israel does not like.

Try something new for a change.

It's better then burning them alive when ever they happen to do something you don't like ;)

[citizen-k]

a small nation living in the past

Usual way of naming any European country whenever they happen to do something the USA or Israel does not like.

BTW, living with the past is not a bad thing, it's called having a history. True, not every country can claim having one, you need to have been there a while.

Try something new for a change.

2000 years is long enough? ;)

[mustamato]

Arafat is a terrorist
+
She supported Arafat
=
She supported terrorists

Now that was easy, right?


Sharon is a mass murderer

+

He still is

=

Why?

Not quite as easy... or well I do know the answer of course. Would have been nice if it was Sharon on the picture instead of that suicide bomber. Now that would have been funny rofl

[citizen-k]

Arafat is a terrorist
+
She supported Arafat
=
She supported terrorists

Now that was easy, right?


Sharon is a mass murderer

+

He still is

=

Why?

Not quite as easy... or well I do know the answer of course. Would have been nice if it was Sharon on the picture instead of that suicide bomber. Now that would have been funny rofl

In this case it will be a submarine and not a boat ;)

I know, the Christians Murdered the muslims and the Jew is called a murderer... European logic at its best... :cantbeli:

[mustamato]

In this case it will be a submarine and not a boat ;)

I know, the Christians Murdered the muslims and the Jew is called a murderer... European logic at its best...

Man, you should really go to a doctor, it can´t be good to have sand in your eye all the time. And as for the massacres SLA was/is equipped by IDF and didn´t do anything without their approval, general Sharons that is. So with my european logic, that would be:

Sharon is a mass murderer and terrorist leader
+
Thousands of lives
=
Send him to Hague, he can sit of his time in swedish prison.

[citizen-k]

In this case it will be a submarine and not a boat ;)

I know, the Christians Murdered the muslims and the Jew is called a murderer... European logic at its best...

Man, you should really go to a doctor, it can´t be good to have sand in your eye all the time. And as for the massacres SLA was/is equipped by IDF and didn´t do anything without their approval, general Sharons that is. So with my european logic, that would be:

Sharon is a mass murderer and terrorist leader
+
Thousands of lives
=
Send him to Hague, he can sit of his time in swedish prison.

rofl SLA!!! rofl

SLA was created LONG time after that day....

Get your history fixed dude... these were falanges revenging the Palestinians for their acts against christian civilians in SL.
(Not that you care about them, do you?)

[juhae]

By the way, everyone: according to CNN, the Israeli diplomat UNPLUGGED A SPOTLIGHT that was shining on the display. That's right. He didn't smash it to bits. He didn't blow it up like the Bamiyan Buddhas. He UNPLUGGED A LIGHT.
Anybody with brains first unplugs the electric device, before throwing it into water. Feel free to experiment yourself, should you disagree. ;)

[mustamato]

SLA was created LONG time after that day....

Same ****, different name.

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/sharon.jpg

rofl rofl rofl

[UoUo]

It's should offend the arabs...no ?

Anyway...i didn'y offend from that crap.

[mustamato]

It's should offend the arabs...no ?

Anyway...i didn'y offend from that crap.

Ah modern art is all about interpretation. There is a text together with the installation that can help you interpret it correctly:

"Once upon a time in the middle of winter
For the June 12 deaths of her brother, and her cousin
and three drops of blood fell
She was also a woman
as white as snow, as red as blood, and her hair was as black as ebony
Seemingly innocent with universal non-violent character, less suspicious of intentions
and the red looked beautiful upon the white
The murderer will yet pay the price and we will not be the only ones who are crying
like a weed in her heart until she had no peace day and night
Hanadi Jaradat was a 29-year-old lawyer
I will run away into the wild forest, and never come home again
Before the engagement took place, he was killed in an encounter with the Israeli security forces
and she ran over sharp stones and through thorns
She said: Your blood will not have been shed in vain
and was about to pierce Snow White's innocent heart
She was hospitalized, prostrate with grief, after witnessing the shootings
The wild beasts will soon have devoured you
After his death, she became the breadwinner and she devoted herself solely to that goal
”Yes”, said Snow White, "with all my heart”
Weeping bitterly, she added: "If our nation cannot realize its dream and the goals of the victims, and live in freedom and dignity, then let the whole world be erased"
Run away, then, you poor child
She secretly crossed into Israel, charged into a Haifa restaurant, shot a security guard, blew herself up and murdered 19 innocent civilians
as white as snow, as red as blood, and her hair was as black as ebony
And many people are indeed crying: the Zer Aviv family, the Almog family, and all the relatives and friends of the dead and the wounded
and the red looked beautiful upon the white"

[UoUo]

It's should offend the arabs...no ?

Anyway...i didn'y offend from that crap.

Ah modern art is all about interpretation. There is a text together with the installation that can help you interpret it correctly:

"Once upon a time in the middle of winter
For the June 12 deaths of her brother, and her cousin
and three drops of blood fell
She was also a woman
as white as snow, as red as blood, and her hair was as black as ebony
Seemingly innocent with universal non-violent character, less suspicious of intentions
and the red looked beautiful upon the white
The murderer will yet pay the price and we will not be the only ones who are crying
like a weed in her heart until she had no peace day and night
Hanadi Jaradat was a 29-year-old lawyer
I will run away into the wild forest, and never come home again
Before the engagement took place, he was killed in an encounter with the Israeli security forces
and she ran over sharp stones and through thorns
She said: Your blood will not have been shed in vain
and was about to pierce Snow White's innocent heart
She was hospitalized, prostrate with grief, after witnessing the shootings
The wild beasts will soon have devoured you
After his death, she became the breadwinner and she devoted herself solely to that goal
”Yes”, said Snow White, "with all my heart”
Weeping bitterly, she added: "If our nation cannot realize its dream and the goals of the victims, and live in freedom and dignity, then let the whole world be erased"
Run away, then, you poor child
She secretly crossed into Israel, charged into a Haifa restaurant, shot a security guard, blew herself up and murdered 19 innocent civilians
as white as snow, as red as blood, and her hair was as black as ebony
And many people are indeed crying: the Zer Aviv family, the Almog family, and all the relatives and friends of the dead and the wounded
and the red looked beautiful upon the white"

I directed my post to this :
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/sharon.jpg

BTW : the ****ing women didn't shoot any guard....

[mustamato]

Yeah I got that part. But it´s up to you how you would interpret a picture of Sharon on a boat sailing in a dam of blood if you saw it in a museum. Personally I would have thought of the Middle East and the blodshed, and the man that started the latest intifada with a chockingly defiant provocation (who can forget his visit and the riots afterwards)...

But it takes two to dance tango, the palestinians are of course not angels.

[UoUo]

Yeah I got that part. But it´s up to you how you would interpret a picture of Sharon on a boat sailing in a dam of blood if you saw it in a museum. Personally I would have thought of the Middle East and the blodshed, and the man that started the latest intifada with a chockingly defiant provocation (who can forget his visit and the riots afterwards)...

If you think that we started this war you really need to learn some facts...

BTW : learn the meaning of the word "intifada".

BTW : Shron and every israeli have the right to visit "al aqza".

[StarvingStudent47]

Sharon is a mass murderer

+

He still is

=

Why?

Not quite as easy... or well I do know the answer of course. Would have been nice if it was Sharon on the picture instead of that suicide bomber. Now that would have been funny rofl

This is so typical. Whenever an opponent of Israel is caught talking out of their ass, they change the subject and start ripping on Ariel Sharon.

Mustamato's Bluff #1: Israelis and Jews supported Lindh's murder. Mustamato quickly learned that we condemned it more strongly than he did himself. Oops.

Mustamato's Bluff #2: The "destruction" of the art piece. He even compared it how the Taliban blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas, turning ancient statues in to piles of dust. Turns out the ambassador unplugged a light and tossed it in the water, doing no permanent damage whatsoever to the "art piece." Oops.

Mustamato's Bluff #3: The banned Israeli art. He explains exactly WHY it was banned, and WHY it was so offensive, and then he admits that he has NO IDEA what the banned art piece actually consisted of. Oops.

Now that all three bluffs have been called, though, it's time for Plan B: Declare Ariel Sharon a mass murderer and hope the evidence of called bluffs are lost in the ensuing flamewar.

[StarvingStudent47]

Well, he said all the "Terror loving swedes in the world" he must mean you too pal. What I dont like is how Americans and Israeli's feel like they are the only victims of terrorism.

No, actually, we don't. As of October 5, 2001, the following groups were designated as terrorist organizations by the US State Department. The majority of them don't target Americans or Israelis:

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)

2. Abu Sayyaf Group

3. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)

4. Aum Shinrikyo

5. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)

6. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)

7. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)

8. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

9. Hizballah (Party of God)

10. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)

11. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)

12. Kahane Chai (Kach)

13. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)

14. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)

15. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)

16. National Liberation Army (ELN)

17. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)

18. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)

19. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)

20. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)

21. al-Qa'ida

22. Real IRA

23. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)

24. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)

25. Revolutionary Organization 17 November

26. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)

27. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)

28. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)

[Javehn]

Mustamato , how do you like my sig ? cool , ha ? Sence the sweds are gay , that would help me to catch all of your sexy naked babes , and divert they foreign views . rofl

[citizen-k]

Yeah I got that part. But it´s up to you how you would interpret a picture of Sharon on a boat sailing in a dam of blood if you saw it in a museum. Personally I would have thought of the Middle East and the blodshed, and the man that started the latest intifada with a chockingly defiant provocation (who can forget his visit and the riots afterwards)...

But it takes two to dance tango, the palestinians are of course not angels.

You are right! the man went to visit a holy place (to Muslims, Christians...and Jews) and the reaction (which you think is logic and right) was to start a new war. (in a time when 99% of Palestinins were under a Palestininan government)

[OnTheRocks]

4. Don't use racial slurs.
This is your warning
-b

[Roger Rabbit]

I like Swedes and Israelis, does that make me bi-******?

[OnTheRocks]

Metero******..no, wait...that doesnt work

[Javehn]

Oh , let me add something , OnTheRocks -

Furekanike muguaka suka pizdyuka kukuriku saab mustamato gay ontherocks gay kukasuka usuka mdi cka

Thank you , kisses to all Sweden guys ( and not in gay way) . I will visit you this summer .

[OnTheRocks]

add whatever you want, I dont take offence unlike yourself
*hugs & kisses* :hug:

[Kriz]

Let's just keep it simple, if some many Israelies dislike the europeans behaviour towards them then why don't they just leave Europe.
Go to America of Israel, you're bitching about us being to antisemitic well then just leave dudes.

[Javehn]

First of all , Europe will fall apart then . What , for real , you want people like you to stay (look at your freekin aviatar) .
All my friends that visited Europe said that they have menthality of "lohi" . Soon as i find good translation to this i will tell you . That what happends when you leave in place without problems , wars , where you can do whatever you like and go wherever you like . Too much freedom makes people too much dumb . I would preffer thousand times to have this discussion with Palestinian , and i would find a common language with him , then too speak with sneazy ass Europians that your only problems are ... Wait , what problems you have ?

[Kriz]

Too much freedom makes people too much dumb .

Yeah indeed, you're the example of that. They should lock you up because it's not "too much dumb"...

[Javehn]

Too much freedom makes people too much dumb .

Yeah indeed, you're the example of that. They should lock you up because it's not "too much dumb"...

Hahaha , psic ! "Typical human deffence mechanizm" . What happened guy , what's wrong ?? You are upset on something ?? (If you are , i suggest you follow your aviatar) .Can you give me your adress , please , i would like to visit you when i get to Europe . ;) We can have really good time ...(not the way you like , offcorse ;) ) .

[duck]

ontherocks, I take the liberty to translate your comment to your fellow swedish retards: "Damn how tired one can get of these f*cking Zionists, but that's always the case when talking with people who think they are the chosen ones, and the Yanks supporting them just make them worse."

You must be a really tough guy.

[Javehn]

Waw , what you say , what you say ?? Allright !! Thank you Duck for translation , indeed . I think i would really enjoy to fly to Europe . But why to hide your truth faces , we allready know what you are like ? Choosen ****s , ok ... Yanks .... Hmm. I think we have enough matterial here to start some ww3 .

I actually have a little story about the Swedes from my army days , but i will wait to some responces first from the choosen Sweden .

[Natter]

Well this is pretty sad....


How many of of the previous posters think before they post their intelligent words?

One of my neighbours got curious and called the museum.

1) The artist, Dror Feiler is an Israeli citizen ( dual citizenhip, moved from Tel Aviv 1973 to Stockholm)

2) His sponsors? Well: The Jewish Museum (Sweden,Great Britain,USA and so on)

Soooo....The museum allowed him to set up his "art"....which 11 other countries museums also will do....and yes Canada,USA and others are on that list.

So Citizen k where will you shop now...Greenland?

Get this straight: No free country is allowed to control the art that´s displayed within its borders, be that art ugly,not politically correct or whatever.

No foreign politician is allowed to destroy anything in another country. We as taxpayers are paying for his stay here. If he doesn´t like it, don´t look. If he seriously doesn´t like it complain to the proper authorities. To physically destroy it is unacceptable, it is not up to him to decide what is art and what is not.

I didn´t like Feilers art, but then I don´t understand modern art at all. I do though defend his right to display it.....anywhere he wants to. We are living in a free country, that´s the way it works..

To start calling an entire nation gay because of this, says loads about your own intellect doesn´t it?

I liked this forum a lot, but the last 6-10 months it has been downgraded to an Israel vs Palestine bashing arena. On one side those who support suicide bombers who blow up kids and women and on the other those who think running down houses and people with caterpillars anf building Berlinwalls will create peace and absolutely not MORE suicide bombers.....add this two...and neonazis will smell the sweet smell of something like a long way.


Get a grip.
I think I will stick to the picture forum from now on.....

[Javehn]

Hahaha , give it up guy , do as i do . If you can't fight system , join the system . ;) I myself saying that this Ambassador is an dumbass ( along with many other Israelies , something that Sweetish guys in here forgot) . And hell , we tryed to stop some Israel Palestine threads for last time , even if they had total bull**** in them .

I even tryed to concentrate Israeli - Palestine question in one thread , in order not to polute the forum , and answered to them the best way possible , with other Israelies . We tryed to improve it . But , what to do ?? If you want it this way , no problem .

But i feel that i was missunderstood . When i am talking about gay Sweden , i am talking for now about OnTheRocks (and Mustamato probably , even if he is nice guy sometimes) , Kriz and maybe some more names . Maybe i should said it as Gay Swedish , and not Gay Sweden ??


And about the story , here it is :

"It was hot as hell day in Palestinian city called Nablus . We were on routin Patrol inside of the city (Patrol that got very messed as hell after that) . As our tank made a turn on street , my eyes saw next thing - Bunch of Blonde guys with white plackates on they hands , showting some mixup of Swedish and English , yelling - "Murderers , get out of here . This land is not belong to you . You killing little children , i would see you on Hague where i would come to testify against you " , and some Swedish crap . That was kinda ammusing , but we had to pass thrue the way they were blocking to us . We thought hard what the hell to do , and started to plan around route , while young Palestinian kids solved us the problem . The kids picked up huge (and i mean HUGE) bloack of concrit , runned and throw the rocks on the protestors . The giant rock hit one of the protestors , and he felt yelling . The look on the Swedish face was so crazy , like they have been shot in the legs . They couldn't bellieve they eyes , and they look on they fase was the funniest thing i ever saw . The Swedes were on total shock how it is possible and cleared road a bit , we took advantage of that , and droved by them ... "

Nice **** , whould you say ?

[cut]

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay3.jpg

[OldRecon]

Personaly I don't understand all the fuss about Sweden in this case.
Ok, this piece of art is displayed in a Swedish museum, but after all the artist behind this installation, Dror Feiler, himself is an Israeli citizen living in Israel and not a Swede.
And yet rather than went his anger at the artist of fellow nationality, the Israeli ambassador puts the blame on the Swedish government rofl :backhand:.
As for who's wrong or right or bad or good in the wider context of the conflict down there, that's become a more and more irrellevant question to me personaly.
Life has always been a struggle between the strong and the weak, in wich the easiest way for the strong of today to become the weak of tomorrow is unwise use of one's strength. Inevitably victory will go to the one with the most acumen in the long run, who can afford to wait out the other.
States and empires come and go yet the world contiune to spin around itself.

[Luxembourger]

I say : This piece of art is crap

As a christian I say this : The jews have the right to settle there, and to say thhis is not their country but the palestinian `s country is crap too


And let me say this : Arafat is a terrorist and remains a terrorist.
And don t forget , even if Israel is not perfect it is the only democracy in that region who protects itslef against christan-jew hater terrorist groups

[Javehn]

And , now let me show you , how you Swedish guys make your statements on this forum about everything . I will give you an example , and you try to analize it -

Here it goes:


OnTheRocks wrote :

add whatever you want, I dont take offence unlike yourself
*hugs & kisses*

Again , OnTheRocks wrote (upper ) :

Fyfan va man blir trött på de här jävla sionisterna, men det är ju alltid såhär när man talar med människor som endast ser sigsjälva som som utvalda, och de blir ju inte mindre stöddiga av att de har jänkarnas sympati, bleeeh!


And in free translation :

Damn how tired one can get of these f*cking Zionists, but that's always the case when talking with people who think they are the chosen ones, and the Yanks supporting them just make them worse


Now , let's anallize . The contradiction between your first and second quote saying , that you are hipocritical and double standart . Now , you are Sweden , so that makes all Swedish hipocritical , double standarts people . If they are , that means Sweden is part of Exis ov evil in the world , and maybe all of the world troubles in the world comes from it . That means all UN Swedish peacekeapers are cold bloud killers . That means Swedish don't like Bush policy , just because they want him to do all the black work , and they can take the oil afterwords . Yes , that is most accurate Swedish analizzis , i can tell it without any doubt in my mind , even thow i am half globus away from Sweden . :backhand:

So , what you think about this analize ( i bet some Swedish gay asses in her would take it seriosly ) ??

Damnit , i must stop with that .

[Shadow]

Ehh...is this the "if you don't agree with me I will call you a nazi" ****? :roll:

btw: Sweden rulz!!!!
The most blonde girls live in sweden!You IDIOTS! How can you hate such a beautyfull place? :bash: And the rest of Europe rulz, too.

[wreck]

- uh. nutton.

[Javehn]

Ok , now i would like to make other assumption on this forum , something that happends a lot over here (and unfortunattly , i had done it myself) .



btw: Sweden rulz!!!!
The most blonde girls live in sweden!You IDIOTS


That means , that someone (i guess me ) said that We hate Sweden , and we said they girls are ugly . Let's perform cut and paste .


that would help me to catch all of your sexy naked babes

My quote . Another quote (mine also ) .

But i feel that i was missunderstood . When i am talking about gay Sweden , i am talking for now about OnTheRocks (and Mustamato probably , even if he is nice guy sometimes) , Kriz and maybe some more names . Maybe i should said it as Gay Swedish , and not Gay Sweden ??

The upper quotes contradict the lower quotes . That means :

1) Someone haven't read all what is said , and wrote his opinion . Without analazing previos opinnion , and to react according to it .
2) The guy disreggards what have been said , and want to continue the flaming line .

Now , to Shadow , i have nothing against you , i just took your example as a "nearest one" .
Now how would you explain that fact , please ?

[Roger Rabbit]

Anyone who spells 'rules' 'rulz' is not worthy of talking to.

[Hydro]

Says the man with a link to spunking smilies in his sig ;)

[Javehn]

http://64.106.169.225/Clients/kinkade/Album3/bukkake.gif

I recognize OnTheRocks , Kriz , Mustamato .Man , Mustamato is gonna have some surprize , after he will see how much **** i wrote on him .

[Roger Rabbit]

ahh but i have the decency only to have it as a link so its not in everyones face all the time to put it in a delicate manner.

[Hydro]

ahh but i have the decency only to have it as a link so its not in everyones face all the time to put it in a delicate manner.


ho ho ho :)

[Luxembourger]

in every country there are hot f***able babes . it makes no senseto pretend that mine yours or other countries have the most beautiful girls.

[Javehn]

We are off the subject here , guys , keep your eyes on the prize .
Let me turn you to the subject by quoting on of Sweetish members :

"Damn how tired one can get of these f*cking Zionists, but that's always the case when talking with people who think they are the chosen ones, and the Yanks supporting them just make them worse "

You don't deserve those fine Swedish babes .Thank you , for letting me reallize your views . You understand now , that i will not let this line go , you "democratic" peace loving Swed ? Is that really something , that someone from that democratic country will say ? No no no , something is very fishy ...

[Hydro]

Gotta remember though, you get pricks everywhere, Javehn. That "Zionist" comment was pretty out of order, but it doesn't mean every Swede is anti-Zionist/Semitic/whatever.

I agree that the guy that said that needs his head extracted from his arse via his spleen though.

[Javehn]

Gotta remember though, you get pricks everywhere, Javehn. That "Zionist" comment was pretty out of order, but it doesn't mean every Swede is anti-Zionist/Semitic/whatever.

I agree that the guy that said that needs his head extracted from his arse via his spleen though.

Exactly , i was reinforcing the way , that many of those guy judge situation . The fact they are assholes i can see we agree on . I was just very pissed , how they judge everything , and make deductions .

[Hydro]

I don't think they can judge anyone unless they've walked through the Gaza Strip or the West Bank and seen what goes on. They are certainly allowed their opinions, but they shouldn't ram them down everyone elses throat and believe they are 100% right 100% of the time.

I don't comment on Israel/Palastine much because I'm fairly ignorant of the situation and history (to be fair I don't want to comment, the politics seem very messy). I have an opinion however, one of the Israelis being in a very harsh situation and them dealing with it as they see fit, but again, I don't know a great deal of what goes on. Everyone should just keep an open mind...

[citizen-k]

We are off the subject here , guys , keep your eyes on the prize .
Let me turn you to the subject by quoting on of Sweetish members :

"Damn how tired one can get of these f*cking Zionists, but that's always the case when talking with people who think they are the chosen ones, and the Yanks supporting them just make them worse "

You don't deserve those fine Swedish babes .Thank you , for letting me reallize your views . You understand now , that i will not let this line go , you "democratic" peace loving Swed ? Is that really something , that someone from that democratic country will say ? No no no , something is very fishy ...

Give it a rest.

kshmesahakim behara, nidbak reiach ;)

[citizen-k]

I agree that the guy that said that needs his head extracted from his arse via his spleen though.

Nahh... stupidity hurts, so lets keep him alive.

[Kriz]

http://64.106.169.225/Clients/kinkade/Album3/bukkake.gif

I recognize OnTheRocks , Kriz , Mustamato .Man , Mustamato is gonna have some surprize , after he will see how much **** i wrote on him .

Write **** on somebody *brrrrrrr*

[citizen-k]

Too bad swedish chicks dont like mutilated genitalia rabbi.




If your sister even been to Israel I'm sure she will doubt you...


(for those who don't know: Israeli Kibutzs are FULL with swedish chicks who usualy marry Israelis and stay here... I guess they don't like little pinky bulges)

[Javehn]

Too bad swedish chicks dont like mutilated genitalia rabbi.




If your sister even been to Israel I'm sure she will doubt you...


(for those who don't know: Israeli Kibutzs are FULL with swedish chicks who usualy marry Israelis and stay here... I guess they don't like little pinky bulges)

True , true :D . Interesting why ??

http://airsoftextreme.com/images/games/nd.jpg

It feels nice when you got pissed , ha ?? Suck it up , like we do .

[execrable]

Jesus Christ the stupitity!

First: It’s it a piece of crap artwork. It’s not the official foreign policy of Sweden or its population! ****, I really dislike this artwork and I’m Swedish. I’m not Jewish nor do I support Israel, but this is not art.

Second: The guy who killed the foreign minister was a nutcase, he had asked for psychiatric help prior to the attack and was denied it. Therefore the system, society is responsible for the death of the FM. He’s not a terrorist he’s the victim of a ****ed up system. A ****ed up socialist system.

Third: I’m not defending the artwork, but what the Israeli ambassador did was very unprofessional. He’s supposed to be a diplomat for Christ sake.

Fourth: Don’t trash Sweden because of asshole liberals and socialists.

[citizen-k]

Jesus Christ the stupitity!

First: It’s it a piece of crap artwork. It’s not the official foreign policy of Sweden or its population! f***, I really dislike this artwork and I’m Swedish. I’m not Jewish nor do I support Israel, but this is not art.

Second: The guy who killed the foreign minister was a nutcase, he had asked for psychiatric help prior to the attack and was denied it. Therefore the system, society is responsible for the death of the FM. He’s not a terrorist he’s the victim of a f*** up system. A f*** up socialist system.

Third: I’m not defending the artwork, but what the Israeli ambassador did was very unprofessional. He’s supposed to be a diplomat for Christ sake.

Fourth: Don’t trash Sweden because of asshole liberals and socialists.

I know this guy is a nutcase, and the whole point of this thread (before the KKK memebers showed up) was to ask "do you think my picture is art?" (talking about mental cases getting out of hand)

I don't think the swede Ambassador would appreciate to see my "art" in a museum in Jerusalem as an excuse for his Ministers murder.

I don't know if he would have done the same, but then again, buses are not exploding in Sweden now days....

[execrable]

Also, Javehn please change your signature, I understand that you’re pissed but don’t get immature. Call Mustamato a gay ass if you want. You might even be right, who knows?
But please remove the part about Sweden. Swedes do not support terrorism, only a loud minority called the extreme left, commie nutjobs.

[Javehn]

That is a good guy . You are ok , nigga :D ^^^

[execrable]

http://www.pic.co.il/Files/E41EB059F0A44BA7B233AA66587816E8/norm_219C26537D564AB9AD4B43F42B20DC19.JPG
BTW, nice touch keeping the lipstick. :lol:

--------

Thanks, Javehn. :hug:

[TypNio]

I think that the remake of the installation is rather good!
(the photosopped remake, that is...)

I don't know if it was tha artists intention or not, but the installation would work perfectly fine with Mijalio Mijailovic as "Snowwhite".
There is a lot of suffering and violence more or less created by the government, who has decreased the budget for taking care of mentally ill with 75% in the last 20 years. There is an alarming increase of the amount of murders and assults performed by people who should get professional help - locked up in asylums!



The original artwork is good, and so is this new version.

[Javehn]

Aha , so Sweden also experiencing some difficulties in Social care ? From what i understood this guy didn't got the necessary treetment , so he killed Swedish minister of education ?

[OldRecon]

I say : This piece of art is crap

As a christian I say this : The jews have the right to settle there, and to say thhis is not their country but the palestinian `s country is crap too


And let me say this : Arafat is a terrorist and remains a terrorist.
And don t forget , even if Israel is not perfect it is the only democracy in that region who protects itslef against christan-jew hater terrorist groups

Well my son, have you traveled in the region extensively or just seen it through the telly??

[UkrainianAmerican]

)VERY OFF TOPIC
I am not circumsized, but I know a bit about the topic.
It has absolutely NO effect on your um "performance" if only for the fact that during the process of, as javehn says, VUSHI VUSHI, your foreskin gets rolled up anyway (unless your **** is very small and thin ththat is :P

[UkrainianAmerican]

Jesus Christ the stupitity!

First: It’s it a piece of crap artwork. It’s not the official foreign policy of Sweden or its population! f***, I really dislike this artwork and I’m Swedish. I’m not Jewish nor do I support Israel, but this is not art.

Second: The guy who killed the foreign minister was a nutcase, he had asked for psychiatric help prior to the attack and was denied it. Therefore the system, society is responsible for the death of the FM. He’s not a terrorist he’s the victim of a f*** up system. A f*** up socialist system.

I dont think a society is responsible. THere is no excuse for murder.


Third: I’m not defending the artwork, but what the Israeli ambassador did was very unprofessional. He’s supposed to be a diplomat for Christ sake.
Ambassador represent the ELECTED governemt of Israel, therefore rrepresenting the israeli population.


Fourth: Don’t trash Sweden because of asshole liberals and socialists.
Fair enough, but blaming the murder of a PM on society is pretty liberal lol
(nothing personal, just an observation)
Take care ;)

[Javehn]

)VERY OFF TOPIC
I am not circumsized, but I know a bit about the topic.
It has absolutely NO effect on your um "performance" if only for the fact that during the process of, as javehn says, VUSHI VUSHI, your foreskin gets rolled up anyway (unless your **** is very small and thin ththat is :P

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

The girls like it this way ... ;) Foresking is just ugly , besided it has something to do with some deseases .

[UkrainianAmerican]

)VERY OFF TOPIC
I am not circumsized, but I know a bit about the topic.
It has absolutely NO effect on your um "performance" if only for the fact that during the process of, as javehn says, VUSHI VUSHI, your foreskin gets rolled up anyway (unless your **** is very small and thin ththat is :P

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

The girls like it this way ... ;) Foresking is just ugly , besided it has something to do with some deseases .
Foreskin isnt ugly, when its rolled up. hehe.

[TypNio]

Javehn, to make a complicated story short...
The minister that got stabbed to death were supporting the US bombing of Serbia (the murderers home country). He was supposed to get full scale therapy for his mental condition, and had been violent before.
But... it is cheaper to let the mentally ill take care of themself as good as they can, or let the parents take care of them. Professional care is expensive.

So, he is obsessed of revenge, and the minister played a big role in the bombings of Serbia, and the reason why he felt this bad and had psychosis...



Better social care would probably have prevented that a mentally ill person, stabs a quite innocent minister.
(if you can call a politician innocent, he added and in the same time tossed a torch into the discussion)

[OldRecon]

Aha , so Sweden also experiencing some difficulties in Social care ? From what i understood this guy didn't got the necessary treetment , so he killed Swedish minister of education ?

How come you are suddenly so worked up about Swedes Javeh.
After all the artist who made that thing is an Israeli. I - S - R - A - E - L - I rofl.

Now CALM DOWN!

(This reminds me about the story when Israel beat Ireland 1-0 in a friendly nationals soccer match back in the 80's, and celebrated the occasion with jamming the radio nets of the UNIFIL (in which there was an Irish battalion). "IDF 1, Ireland 0, IDF 1, Ireland 0, IDF 1, Ireland 0.... Not going to tell how that story ended. Feels it would be perhaps somewhat inappropriate in here. :roll:)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Aha , so Sweden also experiencing some difficulties in Social care ? From what i understood this guy didn't got the necessary treetment , so he killed Swedish minister of education ?

How come you are suddenly so worked up about Swedes Javeh.
After all the artist who made that thing is an Israeli. I - S - R - A - E - L - I rofl.

Now CALM DOWN!

(This reminds me about the story when Israel beat Ireland 1-0 in a friendly nationals soccer match back in the 80's, and celebrated the occasion with jamming the radio nets of the UNIFIL (in which there was an Irish battalion). Not going to tell how that story ended. Feels it would be perhaps somewhat inappropriate in here. :roll:)
Can u give me the details of the second part of your post please? (I am Geneunly interested, no sarcasm, never heard of it, sounds like a pretty fun story.)

[Javehn]

Oh , you missed all my point trashing on Swedish , and missed couple of posts i wrote , you know . I don't want to start trashing on Norway and proove again the point . About the story , please , tell the story , why it is not apropriate ? I can tell you that Magav troops and UN troops had a lot of fist fightes in Hebron .Every time it had different consequinses ...

[OldRecon]

Aha , so Sweden also experiencing some difficulties in Social care ? From what i understood this guy didn't got the necessary treetment , so he killed Swedish minister of education ?

How come you are suddenly so worked up about Swedes Javeh.
After all the artist who made that thing is an Israeli. I - S - R - A - E - L - I rofl.

Now CALM DOWN!

(This reminds me about the story when Israel beat Ireland 1-0 in a friendly nationals soccer match back in the 80's, and celebrated the occasion with jamming the radio nets of the UNIFIL (in which there was an Irish battalion). Not going to tell how that story ended. Feels it would be perhaps somewhat inappropriate in here. :roll:)
Can u give me the details of the second part of your post please? (I am Geneunly interested, no sarcasm, never heard of it, sounds like a pretty fun story.)

Well, some UNIFIL bloke on radio watch got bored with the IDF 1, Ireland 0, IDF 1, Ireland 0... So he hit the mike and answered back: "Der führer 6 million, IDF 0", and for some reason the jamming stopped shortly after that.
The bloke in question must have been quite exasperated, as "sticking your thumb in the sore" like that was an absolute "no no" with regards to our code of conduct.
Don't know anything about what happened to the guy afterwards or who it was for that matter.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Aha , so Sweden also experiencing some difficulties in Social care ? From what i understood this guy didn't got the necessary treetment , so he killed Swedish minister of education ?

How come you are suddenly so worked up about Swedes Javeh.
After all the artist who made that thing is an Israeli. I - S - R - A - E - L - I rofl.

Now CALM DOWN!

(This reminds me about the story when Israel beat Ireland 1-0 in a friendly nationals soccer match back in the 80's, and celebrated the occasion with jamming the radio nets of the UNIFIL (in which there was an Irish battalion). Not going to tell how that story ended. Feels it would be perhaps somewhat inappropriate in here. :roll:)
Can u give me the details of the second part of your post please? (I am Geneunly interested, no sarcasm, never heard of it, sounds like a pretty fun story.)

Well, some UNIFIL bloke on radio watch got bored with the IDF 1, Ireland 0, IDF 1, Ireland 0... So he hit the mike and answered back: "Der führer 6 million, IDF 0", and for some reason the jamming stopped shortly after that.
The bloke in question must have been quite exasperated, as "sticking your thumb in the sore" like that was an absolute "no no" with regards to our code of conduct.
Don't know anything about what happened to the guy afterwards or who it was for that matter.
The der furer remark was pretty bad in my opinion. I doubt the guy was an antisemite, but i mean if ireland won, they would probably tease the israelis a bit too. I dont think the remark was nice tho. (Although a pretty good comeback i guess)

[Javehn]

Let's say that this guy was very lucky , that Russian , or Kavkaz Jews haven't been in masses in Israel . Otherwise , the story would have very bad ending .

[UkrainianAmerican]

Let's say that this guy was very lucky , that Russian , or Kavkaz Jews haven't been in masses in Israel . Otherwise , the story would have very bad ending .
OOh yeah, his unit woulda been in a WORLD of hurt. p-)

[StarvingStudent47]

Well, some UNIFIL bloke on radio watch got bored with the IDF 1, Ireland 0, IDF 1, Ireland 0... So he hit the mike and answered back: "Der führer 6 million, IDF 0", and for some reason the jamming stopped shortly after that.
The bloke in question must have been quite exasperated, as "sticking your thumb in the sore" like that was an absolute "no no" with regards to our code of conduct.
Don't know anything about what happened to the guy afterwards or who it was for that matter.

That ain't cool. If Ireland was teasing the USA about beating us in soccer, I wouldn't respond "Potato blight 1 million, Ireland 0." For Chrissake, it's just sports. Tossing around Holocaust jokes is NOT an appropriate response.

[cut]

That ain't cool. If Ireland was teasing the USA about beating us in soccer, I wouldn't respond "Potato blight 1 million, Ireland 0." For Chrissake, it's just sports. Tossing around Holocaust jokes is NOT an appropriate response.

absolutely that goes either way though.

[StarvingStudent47]

That ain't cool. If Ireland was teasing the USA about beating us in soccer, I wouldn't respond "Potato blight 1 million, Ireland 0." For Chrissake, it's just sports. Tossing around Holocaust jokes is NOT an appropriate response.

absolutely that goes either way though.

What do you mean "it goes either way though"? There's NOTHING wrong with chanting "IDF 1, Ireland 0." The Israeli fans hadn't done anything inappropriate. To equate their actions to the Holocaust comment is stupid.

And in case you missed it, I said I would NOT respond with the potato blight comment, no matter how badly the Irish team beat us.

[cut]

huh? no I meant bringing up the holocaust in general (unless a memorial) is bad taste. I thought you'd agree?

[Trident-za]

How the f*** did this thread warrant 10 pages of replies????

[Javehn]

How the f*** did this thread warrant 10 pages of replies????

Hahahahaha rofl rofl rofl
Dedication , hard work , and tons of productive thoughts ... ;)

[mustamato]

http://photo.worldnews.com/PhotoArchive//uploads/2004/1/19/uploaded-42153_large.jpg


Artwork by Israeli artists Ori Melamed is displayed outside the Swedish Embassy on January 19, 2004 in Tel Aviv, Israel. His work is in response to the controversial artwork that was displayed in a museum in Stockholm, Sweden. On January 16, 2004, Zvi Mazel, Israeli ambassador to Stockholm was ejected from a museum for vandalising the exhibit. (***** Images)

And I still don´t get it why a jewish artists artwork that is destroyed by a Israeli ambassador (supported by his government) is something the swedish authorities and people should be blamed for. There is pro-Israeli artwork as well on the museum. I guess it´s simply Schutzpah :oops:

[He219]

Nice pic ;)

Lets go for 20 pages!
:D

[Javehn]

Let's continue to write , common .

[StarvingStudent47]

huh? no I meant bringing up the holocaust in general (unless a memorial) is bad taste. I thought you'd agree?

Never mind, I misunderstood you.

[OnTheRocks]

http://64.106.169.225/Clients/kinkade/Album3/bukkake.gif

I recognize OnTheRocks , Kriz , Mustamato .Man , Mustamato is gonna have some surprize , after he will see how much **** i wrote on him .

Not really no, because you are quite like a child in your writing so its hard to take anything you say seriously.

Back on topic;
Fine, some people dont think its art, some people do, but this topic very much reflects how Israeli people can't stand anything that can't be interpreted into a pro-Israeli thing whenever the whole situation down there is mentioned or used in "art".

So another art-piece was removed because it firstly it violated some rules concerning a no-political stance, and secondly the Syrians wanted it removed. Alright, so far so good. But it seems like the reason why the Israelis take offence here is because they think that "we" (aka the Swedish people) glorify the terrorist act when infact it is they who interpret it in that way. But when the artist himself is an Israeli-citizen you guys say that it doesnt matter, and that he infact isn´t an Israeli because he 'pisses in his own pond' so to speak.
So I guess that means that Michael Moorse isnt an American either. As for you saying that there should be a limit to freedom, well, only a person who has never experienced freedom would say that. Sure ,too much freedom in a society is couterproductive (that means that it doesnt really work out tip top Javeh) but again you're saying that YOUR way is the best way, fine, it might be, we still don't care.
But atleast we don't make a fuss out of it and use it as an excuse for anything.

As for what I wrote in swedish it was meant as a counter, because pretty much everybody here knows whats its like to argue with you people whether its about the IDF or the holocaust or whatnot, at the end its the Israelis telling everybody else to "stfu, because you dont know sh*t"...

Many swedish people don't give a rat's ass about what's going on down there with your two terrorist regimes slugging it out over a boarder dispute.
Here like in many other forums that deal with politics the Israelis are unable to see things from another person's point of view, and it because of that I assume that you guys don't understand why people all over the world get upset when you decide to bulldozer a couple of houses because the relatives or the family of a terrorist have an apartement there instead of just arresting them or sending them into exile.

History does not justify what you do 60 years later.

However I hope that you settle it in one way or another so that we won't have to hear about it on the news every day.

The UN should have put Israel somewhere in the states instead, like Idaho or something, that way we'd all have peace and would be able to go about our buisness without havint to worry about being blown up or being shot in the head with a rubber bullet.

[Kriz]

Amen OnTheRocks !

[mustamato]

As for what I wrote in swedish it was meant as a counter, because pretty much everybody here knows whats its like to argue with you people whether its about the IDF or the holocaust or whatnot, at the end its the Israelis telling everybody else to "stfu, because you dont know sh*t"...

Det var som sagt helt rätt, och nu ger vi Javehns svenska flickkompis på hans ICQ lite mer text att översätta åt honom. Du som översätter, vet du om vad det är för människa du pratar med egentligen?

:D


Many swedish people don't give a rat's ass about what's going on down there with your two terrorist regimes slugging it out over a boarder dispute..

But what are you saying now? Didn´t you read in Expressen the ambassadors excuse. He said that "WE ARE AT WAR". I guess that means that Sweden has a frontline in their war as well? :roll: I guess we swedes must put up with being in the crossfire, you know what they say, collateral damage!

[OnTheRocks]

Ja, det är lika bra, om du tror att det ökar hans chanser med henne så :P


But I thought that the whole world was a battlefront, isnt that why Mossad shot that guy in Norway some time ago? The one who turned out to be innocent and not a palestinian terrorist...jeez... rofl

[Red]

wow, 10 pages.I cant believe you guys have been arguing over this topic.Let me break it down the Swedes are too stupid to understand your point and the israeli's are too persistent to actually make a point.So my verdict would be to lock this thread.It is pointless.The art has been destroyed and the world is a safer place.And to the swedes i say bring it on.
to mustamato or whatever his name is = :backhand: :bash: :petting: :fork: :-*$ :slap:

[OnTheRocks]

wow, 10 pages.I cant believe you guys have been arguing over this topic.Let me break it down the Swedes are too stupid to understand your point and the israeli's are too persistent to actually make a point.So my verdict would be to lock this thread.It is pointless.The art has been destroyed and the world is a safer place.And to the swedes i say bring it on.
to mustamato or whatever his name is = :backhand: :bash: :petting: :fork: :-*$ :slap:

I say you are too stupid to understand WHY people have been arguing over this thread! the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point! :slap:

[Kitsune]

OntheRocks wrote:
The UN should have put Israel somewhere in the states instead, like Idaho or something, that way we'd all have peace and would be able to go about our buisness without havint to worry about being blown up or being shot in the head with a rubber bullet.

I think that would hardly been a solution. I have been to Idaho and I think in that case a majority of the expelled potatofarmers would wage quite a war against the Israelis...

p-)

[Red]

wow, 10 pages.I cant believe you guys have been arguing over this topic.Let me break it down the Swedes are too stupid to understand your point and the israeli's are too persistent to actually make a point.So my verdict would be to lock this thread.It is pointless.The art has been destroyed and the world is a safer place.And to the swedes i say bring it on.
to mustamato or whatever his name is = :backhand: :bash: :petting: :fork: :-*$ :slap:

I say you are too stupid to understand WHY people have been arguing over this thread! the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point! :slap:
And i say that you are too stupid to be a living human being.

[S'13]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

[Red]

wow, 10 pages.I cant believe you guys have been arguing over this topic.Let me break it down the Swedes are too stupid to understand your point and the israeli's are too persistent to actually make a point.So my verdict would be to lock this thread.It is pointless.The art has been destroyed and the world is a safer place.And to the swedes i say bring it on.
to mustamato or whatever his name is = :backhand: :bash: :petting: :fork: :-*$ :slap:

I say you are too stupid to understand WHY people have been arguing over this thread! the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point! :slap:
kiss my big black ass

[mustamato]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

And is that for the Israelis to decide? Too bad for them if they don´t want to be along. It´s not about celebrating modern day Israeli politicians anyway but rather the memory of the victims and survivors of world war 2. I´m sure that can be done without your politicians. There is also a pro-Israeli documentary in the exhibit about some Israeli soldiers (Checkpoint, would like to see it, seems interesting). I have not heard any complaints about the pro-Israeli stuff concerning the present day conflict. Why?

[Javehn]

War . Javehn Stations , this is Javehn , advance to 3 objectives , Mustamato , OnTheRocks , Kriz , take positions , engage .

[Red]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

And is that for the Israelis to decide? Too bad for them if they don´t want to be along. It´s not about celebratining modern day Israeli politicians anyway but the victims and survivors of world war 2. I´m sure that can be done without your politicians. There is also a pro-Israeli documentary in the exhibit about some Israeli soldiers (Checkpoint, would like to see it, seems interesting). I have not heard any complaints about the pro-Israeli stuff concerning the present day conflict. Why?
your ignorance and stupidity knows no boundaries why the hell cant you just SHUT UP! SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP you are driving me nuts are you from some kind of mental institution?did you break out?do you feed zoo animals?why are you soooooooooooooooooooooo annoyying?i wish i could just tie you up and tickle your feet with a feather so you can laugh yourself to death.

[OnTheRocks]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

Yes, I have to admit that this "artwork" is stretching it a bit, however what you fail to understand is that it is NOT about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but rather about human emotion and about how people can be driven to commit these kinds of acts.
I assume that the reason why he chose the photograph of that girl is because it happened quite recently and was still fresh in people's minds, but as such it has no political standpoint what-so-ever....imo I think it lack finesse. The guy who made it was thinking that it would cause an uproar, but he probably didn't think further than that because as long as he evokes emotion with his work he has done something "right", which means he gets paid or whatever and can live his life without looking back.

[Red]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

Yes, I have to admit that this "artwork" is stretching it a bit, however what you fail to understand is that it is NOT about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but rather about human emotion and about how people can be driven to commit these kinds of acts.
I assume that the reason why he chose the photograph of that girl is because it happened quite recently and was still fresh in people's minds, but as such it has no political standpoint what-so-ever....imo I think it lack finesse. The guy who made it was thinking that it would cause an uproar, but he probably didn't think further than that because as long as he evokes emotion with his work he has done something "right", which means he gets paid or whatever and can live his life without looking back.
aren't you missing your favourite episode of the teletubbies?

[OnTheRocks]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

And is that for the Israelis to decide? Too bad for them if they don´t want to be along. It´s not about celebrating modern day Israeli politicians anyway but rather the memory of the victims and survivors of world war 2. I´m sure that can be done without your politicians. There is also a pro-Israeli documentary in the exhibit about some Israeli soldiers (Checkpoint, would like to see it, seems interesting). I have not heard any complaints about the pro-Israeli stuff concerning the present day conflict. Why?

.....uhm..uhm..like..uuuh...because..its..wait..no no...ehm...because..maybe...because its...pro? :oops:

[S'13]

And is that for the Israelis to decide?

No, it's for the Swedes to decide, that's the whole point...


It´s not about celebratining modern day Israeli politicians anyway but the victims and survivors of world war 2.

I wish you could have done that and also show some respect to the victims of terrorism.


There is also a pro-Israeli documentary in the exhibit about some Israeli soldiers (Checkpoint, would like to see it, seems interesting). I have not heard any complaints about the pro-Israeli stuff concerning the present day conflict. Why?

I wonder if it is as provocative as the "artwork" which is been debated in here.

[UkrainianAmerican]

http://64.106.169.225/Clients/kinkade/Album3/bukkake.gif

I recognize OnTheRocks , Kriz , Mustamato .Man , Mustamato is gonna have some surprize , after he will see how much **** i wrote on him .

As for what I wrote in swedish it was meant as a counter, because pretty much everybody here knows whats its like to argue with you people whether its about the IDF or the holocaust or whatnot, at the end its the Israelis telling everybody else to "stfu, because you dont know sh*t"...

.
YOU PEOPLE? WHAT THE ****?!
Consider yourself lucky this is an online forum and not a bar, asshole.

[Red]

barfight,lets kick all the swedes asses to the curb.Haha p-) lets take their women and leave the men to reproduce their children from other men

[OnTheRocks]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

Yes, I have to admit that this "artwork" is stretching it a bit, however what you fail to understand is that it is NOT about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but rather about human emotion and about how people can be driven to commit these kinds of acts.
I assume that the reason why he chose the photograph of that girl is because it happened quite recently and was still fresh in people's minds, but as such it has no political standpoint what-so-ever....imo I think it lack finesse. The guy who made it was thinking that it would cause an uproar, but he probably didn't think further than that because as long as he evokes emotion with his work he has done something "right", which means he gets paid or whatever and can live his life without looking back.
aren't you missing your favourite episode of the teletubbies?

wow, I didnt know that the teletubbies aired at 10.55pm in the states, that's probably because its concidered to be for adults there :roll:

[duck]

Hey "guys", just because I happen to understand your obscure language doesn't make me "different". BTW,is this little gathering in Stockholm still the biggest neonazi meeting in Europe?

http://www.salemfonden.info/engelsk.php

[Red]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

Yes, I have to admit that this "artwork" is stretching it a bit, however what you fail to understand is that it is NOT about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but rather about human emotion and about how people can be driven to commit these kinds of acts.
I assume that the reason why he chose the photograph of that girl is because it happened quite recently and was still fresh in people's minds, but as such it has no political standpoint what-so-ever....imo I think it lack finesse. The guy who made it was thinking that it would cause an uproar, but he probably didn't think further than that because as long as he evokes emotion with his work he has done something "right", which means he gets paid or whatever and can live his life without looking back.
aren't you missing your favourite episode of the teletubbies?

wow, I didnt know that the teletubbies aired at 10.55pm in the states, that's probably because its concidered to be for adults there :roll:
and your point is? :roll:

[Red]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

Yes, I have to admit that this "artwork" is stretching it a bit, however what you fail to understand is that it is NOT about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but rather about human emotion and about how people can be driven to commit these kinds of acts.
I assume that the reason why he chose the photograph of that girl is because it happened quite recently and was still fresh in people's minds, but as such it has no political standpoint what-so-ever....imo I think it lack finesse. The guy who made it was thinking that it would cause an uproar, but he probably didn't think further than that because as long as he evokes emotion with his work he has done something "right", which means he gets paid or whatever and can live his life without looking back.
aren't you missing your favourite episode of the teletubbies?

wow, I didnt know that the teletubbies aired at 10.55pm in the states, that's probably because its concidered to be for adults there :roll:
you turd,who the heck told you that it is 10.55?nope it is 4:58.And i still think swedes are ....

[Red]

dont you just love a good flame war :lol:

[Javehn]

You wait until i log in tommorow , now then you would have some real master art . I think it can go until 30 pages .

[OnTheRocks]

the artwork was made by an ISRAELI and then WE get blaimed for it, how's that for a point!

The "artwork" was displayed in a Swedish museum and it was the Swedes responsibility to not include it in the exhibition. In addition the exhibit violated an understanding Israel had with Sweden that the scope of the genocide conference would not include the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...

Yes, I have to admit that this "artwork" is stretching it a bit, however what you fail to understand is that it is NOT about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but rather about human emotion and about how people can be driven to commit these kinds of acts.
I assume that the reason why he chose the photograph of that girl is because it happened quite recently and was still fresh in people's minds, but as such it has no political standpoint what-so-ever....imo I think it lack finesse. The guy who made it was thinking that it would cause an uproar, but he probably didn't think further than that because as long as he evokes emotion with his work he has done something "right", which means he gets paid or whatever and can live his life without looking back.
aren't you missing your favourite episode of the teletubbies?

wow, I didnt know that the teletubbies aired at 10.55pm in the states, that's probably because its concidered to be for adults there :roll:
you turd,who the heck told you that it is 10.55?nope it is 4:58.And i still think swedes are ....

took you a while to figure it out, I dont blaim you..it was 10.55 pm here when I wrote back to you...

Look, I really dont see the point in going on about this anymore, different people, different value, we could be stuck here for days typing crap to eachother, but in the end its a waste of time because we're not getting anywhere.
It doesnt matter how I try to tell you that the "piece of art" had no political motive behind it. But at the same time I think it was a bad decision by the to use that photograph for obvious reasons, so Im just trying to friggin explain something.

As for it being the peoples responsibility to remove it, well, I'd say that 95% of us heard about it for the first time when we were told that there was some carap going on between the israeli ambassador and the swe-god because of some exhibition...most of us are stuck at home, minding our own buisness...do you know of every exhibition in every museum presently in your country?

[Red]

no i dont know but i know of the one in that swedish museum.

[OnTheRocks]

You wait until i log in tommorow , now then you would have some real master art . I think it can go until 30 pages .

Why not just leave it as it is?
I dont think that any of the swedes hereare actually defending that "piece of art" but we're trying to tell you that we had nothing to do with it, and there's no political motive behind it, obviously you´re completely unable to grasp this. I for one think it was stupid of the artist to do what he did.

[Red]

You wait until i log in tommorow , now then you would have some real master art . I think it can go until 30 pages .

Why not just leave it as it is?
I dont think that any of the swedes hereare actually defending that "piece of art" but we're trying to tell you that we had nothing to do with it, and there's no political motive behind it, obviously you´re completely unable to grasp this. I for one think it was stupid of the artist to do what he did.
now you are making sense.I knew you had it in you :petting:

[execrable]

Again with the unnecessary bull****. Please don't piss on Swedes because of some of the people who post here. Insult them as much as you want. But, please, don't insult my country and its inhabitants, at least not based on the Swedes who post on this forum. And not based on the politicians or the media either.
You wouldn't like it very much if I judged you're country based on whacko politicians and ignorant media.

Also, you can tell what kind of general mood there is on this forum; there is only one, maybe two, friendly emoticons (:hug: :petting:).
The rest are all vicious little buggers ( :fork: :backhand: :slap: :-*$ ).

[UkrainianAmerican]

Again with the unnecessary bull****. Please don't piss on Swedes because of some of the people who post here. Insult them as much as you want. But, please, don't insult my country and its inhabitants, at least not based on the Swedes who post on this forum. And not based on the politicians or the media either.
You wouldn't like it very much if I judged you're country based on whacko politicians and ignorant media.

Also, you can tell what kind of general mood there is on this forum; there is only one, maybe two, friendly emoticons (:hug: :petting:).
The rest are all vicious little buggers ( :fork: :backhand: :slap: :-*$ ).
I dont mean to bunch all the Swedes together based on 2-3 posters, but your government is supposed to be representative of your countrymen (It is elected by a majority, right?)

[execrable]

Actually, the countrymen are supposed to be representative of the government.
Or was it the media, can't remember.
Point is I really dislike the system, so does most of my generation of Swedes.
Some choose to throw stones as McDonald's (extreme-left) and some choose to hate immigrants (extreme-right).
I choose to post on foreign internet forums.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Actually, the countrymen are supposed to be representative of the government.
Or was it the media, can't remember.
Point is I really dislike the system, so does most of my generation of Swedes.
Some choose to throw stones as McDonald's (extreme-left) and some choose to hate immigrants (extreme-right).
I choose to post on foreign internet forums.
I dont mean to be annoying or anything but if "your generation" is so different, perhaps you should go and vote to get your opinion heard, so that people like me wont make assumptions about svedes. ;)

[Mr. Nielsen]

I don't think the Swedish government decides what the museum exhibits.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I don't think the Swedish government decides what the museum exhibits.
But guess who funds the museum, Oneliner.

[Red]

Actually, the countrymen are supposed to be representative of the government.
Or was it the media, can't remember.
Point is I really dislike the system, so does most of my generation of Swedes.
Some choose to throw stones as McDonald's (extreme-left) and some choose to hate immigrants (extreme-right).
I choose to post on foreign internet forums.
what do the centrist chose to do?

[execrable]

Actually, the countrymen are supposed to be representative of the government.
Or was it the media, can't remember.
Point is I really dislike the system, so does most of my generation of Swedes.
Some choose to throw stones as McDonald's (extreme-left) and some choose to hate immigrants (extreme-right).
I choose to post on foreign internet forums.
This was a joke.

[OnTheRocks]

Actually, the countrymen are supposed to be representative of the government.
Or was it the media, can't remember.
Point is I really dislike the system, so does most of my generation of Swedes.
Some choose to throw stones as McDonald's (extreme-left) and some choose to hate immigrants (extreme-right).
I choose to post on foreign internet forums.
what do the centrist chose to do?

They go to church and do gardening ;)

[Burning Angel]

...WHILE BANNING A PRO-ISRAELI ART PIECE FROM THE SAME EXHIBIT IN ORDER TO PLACATE SYRIA.


If the facts don't fit our argument - why not invent some that do!

[Mr. Nielsen]

I don't think the Swedish government decides what the museum exhibits.
But guess who funds the museum, Oneliner.

Here in Denmark the government does not interfere with such things, not even when the museum is funded by public money. And they shouldn't. Thats how democracy works, freedom within the limits of the law.

[checkland]

First of all i would like to say, It's a piece of (****ty/brilliant) art whether we like it or not. You'll decide for yourself.

The Swedish ruling party is not my favourite, and they're running my country. Hell, I'll just have to live with it or migrate. And that's democracy. :)

Despite Anna Lindh was not on my wishlist, I think she did a good work.

Why can't you all just get along and try to step out of the sandbox for a while. I don't care who you are, as long as you treat me the way you want to be treated. We may not agree on everything, but thats the beauty of the human mind.

Violence feeds violence? Hatred feeds hatred?
The holocaust, ethnic cleansing, wars of religion, acts of terror and so on.
Humanity have learned little from history.

[Burning Angel]

I think it is a good piece of art and this is why:

It's asking questions about the tragic fate of millions of people. A terrible statement about the reality a part of the world have turned into.

How can the symbol of innocence, the young female, the virgin - snow white - do such a monstrous act? Inflicting upon others the very thing she suffered from herself - the limitless grief of lost relatives. Continuing the vicious circle of pain - and in a way becoming the cause of her own disease.

[Haiw]

Anyone up for invading Africa? The US start from Liberia, the Europeans start from Morocco, and if they feel like joining in the Israeli's can join in trough Egypt... Any objections?

[Truthsayer]

This thread shows exactly why people generally, honestly, hate americans (and jews living in Israel, even if they are less common on open forums).

1. The Americans (and Is.) are always right.

2. If not, see 1.


Btw, I hope Israel will invade Sweden. Time to test their sub-par equipment against a real military forces, instead of kids with stones.

Oh, btw, give it a few more hours, let some american new-york jews polish Bush golden rod with their lips and we have the USA invading too.

Anyone that is oppose to this couple is terrorist-loving hippies and oppose to the free world. Because in the real free world we only talk about freedom, we never actuallty have it. We start war about it, brag about it, but must always work against it whenever something we, as a big wheel in the selfproclaim 'moral majority'-vehicle found something that aren't 'pure' or 'safe for the children'.

Because you know, war is a good thing. Making love isnt.

Words hurt, bullets don't.

(And if any kids would shoot up any schools, it's about the songs they hear, and not the retoric their leaders use or the guns, tanks, airplanes and the violence they create and proudly show on prime-time news every night.)

Oh, btw, here is a big 'eat me' from Sweden.

[Haiw]

Apart from what your opinion is or whatsoever I'd say ducimus just lost the 'most tasteless sig award'...

[StarvingStudent47]

Apart from what your opinion is or whatsoever I'd say ducimus just lost the 'most tasteless sig award'...

What he said.

Wait a second...I seem to remember someone named "Truthsayer" or "Truthseeker" coming on a different forum I used to frequent. He was a holocaust denier and neo-Nazi. Wonder if we've got an old acquaintence here.

Truthsayer, do you remember me? I used the same name on that other forum.

[Truthsayer]

StarvingStudent47>> Yeah, we used to hang out in bestiality.com-forums . We both love the same kind of chickens for their feel.

in short: have no clue who you are. Just took one at random when the reg-process crashed.


Btw, Neo nazists deny the holocast, right? I don't think anyone (or me for that thing) does that.

[mustamato]

He was a holocaust denier and neo-Nazi.

I guess that means that he simply didn´t agree with you or what?

[StarvingStudent47]

I guess that means that he simply didn´t agree with you or what?

It means that he said "I don't believe the holocaust ever happened" (direct quote) and he bragged about wearing an SS coat with a Swastika armband in public.

But I guess you'd defend that type of person as just "anti-Zionist," right? After all, the real enemy is Jewish lawyers, according to you.

[StarvingStudent47]

Truthsayer--

Thank you for having the common courtesy to change your signature away from the previous one:


Der Fuhrer 6 million; IDF 0.

[Truthsayer]

I thought it was a fun joke by the UN-forces...but after 2min I changed my mind and changed it to something more fitting. Hope I didn't crush any of your dreams.

[Truthsayer]

This thread shows exactly why people generally, honestly, hate americans (and jews living in Israel, even if they are less common on open forums).

1. The Americans (and Is.) are always right.

2. If not, see 1.


Btw, I hope Israel will invade Sweden. Time to test their sub-par equipment against a real military forces, instead of kids with stones.

Oh, btw, give it a few more hours, let some american new-york jews polish Bush golden rod with their lips and we have the USA invading too.

Anyone that is oppose to this couple is terrorist-loving hippies and oppose to the free world. Because in the real free world we only talk about freedom, we never actuallty have it. We start war about it, brag about it, but must always work against it whenever something we, as a big wheel in the selfproclaim 'moral majority'-vehicle found something that aren't 'pure' or 'safe for the children'.

Because you know, war is a good thing. Making love isnt.

Words hurt, bullets don't.

(And if any kids would shoot up any schools, it's about the songs they hear, and not the retoric their leaders use or the guns, tanks, airplanes and the violence they create and proudly show on prime-time news every night.)

Oh, btw, here is a big 'eat me' from Sweden.

Re-post since some of you are slow-readers.

[UkrainianAmerican]

I thought it was a fun joke by the UN-forces...but after 2min I changed my mind and changed it to something more fitting. Hope I didn't crush any of your dreams.
UN and FORCE dont go together.

[StarvingStudent47]

I thought it was a fun joke by the UN-forces...but after 2min I changed my mind and changed it to something more fitting. Hope I didn't crush any of your dreams.

You're still a jackass though, with your "Oh, btw, give it a few more hours, let some american new-york jews polish Bush golden rod with their lips and we have the USA invading too."

And your new signature doesn't suit you. Shoot, as long as you liked the other one and you yourself don't see anything wrong with it, go back to it. Don't be afraid of who you are. Wear it on your arm proudly. That way people know exactly who they are dealing with.

Why your new signature doesn't suit you:

1) JFK was an AMERICAN who was very sure he was RIGHT. He acted on his beliefs and didn't sit around waiting for the UN to tell him what to do.

2) JFK was no pacifict or isolationist--it was Kennedy, not Johnson, who really put the US into Vietnam.

3) JFK was a Zionist and established the Israeli-American partnership that exists to this day.

"We stand for freedom. That is our conviction for ourselves; that is our only commitment to others." --John F. Kennedy

"There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction." --John F. Kennedy

"The American, by nature, is optimistic. He is experimental, an inventor and a builder who builds best when called upon to build greatly." --John F. Kennedy

"And so, my fellow americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." --John F. Kennedy

[Truthsayer]

"The art of avoiding the question #101"

I now understand how you got fooled into invaded Iraq. With your 10-second attention-span and all. I mean, there isn't a chance you have forgotten all the previous posts in this thread. About Wallenberg and others?

No, not you. You are an american, and a citicen of the greatest country on the earth. You are never wrong.

:roll:

[StarvingStudent47]

"The art of avoiding the question #101"

I now understand how you got fooled into invaded Iraq. With your 10-second attention-span and all. I mean, there isn't a chance you have forgotten all the previous posts in this thread. About Wallenberg and others?

No, not you. You are an american, and a citicen of the greatest country on the earth. You are never wrong.

:roll:

Kennedy would be rolling over in his grave if he knew someone like you was quoting him.



"We stand for freedom. That is our conviction for ourselves; that is our only commitment to others." --John F. Kennedy

"There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction." --John F. Kennedy

"The American, by nature, is optimistic. He is experimental, an inventor and a builder who builds best when called upon to build greatly." --John F. Kennedy

"And so, my fellow americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." --John F. Kennedy

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." --John F. Kennedy

"In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it—and the glow from that fire can truly light the world." --John F. Kennedy

[Truthsayer]

Yes, because you all about my standings, reading a handfull of posts on a wannabee-board. Yepp, that is right.

Btw, with your short attention-span I better update you on this threads topic: Art-piece being destroyed since a Swedish museum tries to live up to the freedom americans preach they have.

Yepp, we are the bad guys.

[StarvingStudent47]

"The art of avoiding the question #101"

I now understand how you got fooled into invaded Iraq. With your 10-second attention-span and all. I mean, there isn't a chance you have forgotten all the previous posts in this thread. About Wallenberg and others?

No, not you. You are an american, and a citicen of the greatest country on the earth. You are never wrong.

:roll:

Oh, I'm the one changing the subject? Your post--which you posted twice just so we'd all make sure to get it--was America-bashing and Jew-bashing. It never mentioned the original topic of this thread that you claim *I* am avoiding. I'm merely responding to what you wrote.

[Truthsayer]

On page 1, 2, 3 there where some very long and good posts explaining several facts you had seem to forgotten. You and your possy then spent some 7 pages to ridicule everything and do some serious swede-bashing. My initial post was merely an information-post and how you make yourself look to the rest of the world.

This thread is beeing linked across the globe (even tho not as much as other more inflamatory threads) as we speak and people in (mostly) european countries sees it as another evidence as how you are.

Arrogant, loudmouth and bullies of the world.

Aren't you at all concearned about the fact that more and more people claim that 9/11 (rest the souls of all the innocent victims) as an event was 'fair'? That more and more people right now posts that they wish the 'americans' would learn or 'that it would append again'?

If anything like that happend again, I only have one reservation: That they first gather everyone like yourself along with all polititians that are responsible for state-terror attacks in your goverment, and only aim for that stadium.

The world has had enough and so has other resonable americans.

[juhae]

Perhaps there should be a Die Ausstellung "Entartete Kunst", with the historical mocking commentary next to the works of art somewhere, to show the people what kind of art should be generally condemned and for what reasons.