Martin Luther King day

[Red]

Tomorrow is MLK day,and i wanted to know what your thoughts were on how far the US has come along as it pertains to race.i know some people dont like this subject but just because you dont like it does not mean it is not there.So please give your reaction on this topic.Has the US realized a near perfect society where race is not an issue or are we still in transition?

[Vance]

PC is gay.

[hood]

I think racial bias is the most heavily promoted by people's parents and negative experiences. In the city I work and the area I live in, I haven't seen a single racially loaded comment or statement by anyone I know except one of my friends. He grew up in a tough part of Brooklyn and only moved away with his family when he was 15 or 16 years old. There was constant crime in his area and to himself personally by black people which I think heavily affected him. Although he's a generally nice guy, sometimes some racial comments slip out that I always make sure to take a large reaction to. From what he says though, it's obvious that they're influenced from his own negative experiences and I fear that they're engrained in him permanently.

Concerning people's parents, I think as more time passes, and the older generation who had more racial bias's die off, we're going to see less and less of it around.

[[AFSOC]]

You know what though....

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

When your friend says there was constant crime in his area, what crime are is he saying? Murder? Mugging? Hustling?

Murder is not right, but when talk about hustling in those neighbourhoods....thats just life. Thats just the way it is there, its the only way to survive in area's like the Projects and Ghetto's. Some of you will say that they can just goto school and make a better life without doing crime....but your not from there and you have no idea what its like in those area;s.

Im not saying Hustling is right....but thats just the way it is. Gotta make a living to survive.

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Hood i disagree with you that were gunna see less and less of racial bias'. There will always be racism which is sad, because soo many people have been fighting for equality in America for years. People like MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Tupac Shakur were just some who wanted change in America.

But look what happened...someone killed them.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, COrona is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.

**** like that has to change, in order to have a better America.

PEople like MLK made a difference, but it will take all of America in order to achieve peace and change.

[California Joe]

Yeah, Tupac should definitely be included with those other guys. :roll:

[EvanL]

]You know what though....

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

When your friend says there was constant crime in his area, what crime are is he saying? Murder? Mugging? Hustling?

Murder is not right, but when talk about hustling in those neighbourhoods....thats just life. Thats just the way it is there, its the only way to survive in area's like the Projects and Ghetto's. Some of you will say that they can just goto school and make a better life without doing crime....but your not from there and you have no idea what its like in those area;s.

Im not saying Hustling is right....but thats just the way it is. Gotta make a living to survive.

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Hood i disagree with you that were gunna see less and less of racial bias'. There will always be racism which is sad, because soo many people have been fighting for equality in America for years. People like MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Tupac Shakur were just some who wanted change in America.

But look what happened...someone killed them.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, Yonkers is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.

**** like that has to change, in order to have a better America.

PEople like MLK made a difference, but it will take all of America in order to achieve peace and change.
Yonkers aint black, its actually mostly italians and irish catholics. Jackson heights is east indian, and flushing is a cosmopolitan.

[[AFSOC]]

Lol oh ****....i said Yonkers...

My bad i meant Corona in Queens. Buddy im from the JAckson Heights, i know whats there...

[StarvingStudent47]

MLK was a great man. One of the greatest men of the 20th century.

I think we have come a long way since his time. Shoot, the idea of two African-Americans being in the Cabinet would be outlandish to folks in the 1950s. And I don't have numbers to back me up, but I am convinced that Colin Powell is the most popular politician in the nation. If he were to run for President, I think it would be the biggest landslide victory in decades (though I understand his wife has requested that he not do to, to protect the family from KKK violence).

I still think there's work to be done though. Bigotry still remains, even though it's far more hidden and less outwardly violent than it was a half-century ago.

I am concerned about the fact that for a large number of African-American youth, 50 Cent is a bigger role model than Tiger Woods.

I am disappointed in the "reverse bigotry" stance that some African-American leaders have adopted recently. I am particularly concerned with the self-segregation and anti-Semitism preached by Louis Farrakhan. MLK would vomit if he went to a Farrakhan rally.

[EvanL]

]Lol oh ****....i said Yonkers...

My bad i meant Corona in Queens. Buddy im from the JAckson Heights, i know whats there...
Your from or your there now?
Im in manhattan right now.

[[AFSOC]]

Tiger Woods...Lol

he's Blackanese thats why! lol

[SeanAshi]

http://www.ixtreme.com/pictures/fullsize/thumbs/thereverendjesseThumb.jpg
Jesse Jackson for President, Al Sharpton for Vice-President, Tiger Woods for everything else.

[Vance]

http://www.ixtreme.com/pictures/fullsize/thumbs/thereverendjesseThumb.jpg
Jesse Jackson for President, Al Sharpton for Vice-President, Tiger Woods for everything else.
*Moves to Canada*

[garyfanclub]

]You know what though....

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

When your friend says there was constant crime in his area, what crime are is he saying? Murder? Mugging? Hustling?

Murder is not right, but when talk about hustling in those neighbourhoods....thats just life. Thats just the way it is there, its the only way to survive in area's like the Projects and Ghetto's. Some of you will say that they can just goto school and make a better life without doing crime....but your not from there and you have no idea what its like in those area;s.

Im not saying Hustling is right....but thats just the way it is. Gotta make a living to survive.

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Hood i disagree with you that were gunna see less and less of racial bias'. There will always be racism which is sad, because soo many people have been fighting for equality in America for years. People like MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Tupac Shakur were just some who wanted change in America.

But look what happened...someone killed them.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, COrona is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.

**** like that has to change, in order to have a better America.

PEople like MLK made a difference, but it will take all of America in order to achieve peace and change.

What the Fvck? What America are you living in? You get an F for blowing the problem way of proportion. We live in 2004 and not 1964. You hugely misused the work segregated. Before you call me a racist, know that I am one of many minorities: Burmese, Chinese, Cuban, German, French.

Vance... Haha I'm with you!

[hood]

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

The fact is, in his neighborhood, as a white guy, he was a minority. Sure I could say that the people who assaulted him and robbed him on a regular basis weren't black, but that wouldn't be truthful either now would it. Sure all black people aren't hoodlums and thugs, but the ones that attacked him surely were and that's what stuck in his mind. Trauma has a way of doing that to a person.

[Red]

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

The fact is, in his neighborhood, as a white guy, he was a minority. Sure I could say that the people who assaulted him and robbed him on a regular basis weren't black, but that wouldn't be truthful either now would it. Sure all black people aren't hoodlums and thugs, but the ones that attacked him surely were and that's what stuck in his mind. Trauma has a way of doing that to a person.
i understand what you mean Hood.I am a black man but i will say this,Racism is a two way street.In Baltimore the N word has now been designated as a crime punishable by a 6 month jail sentense,but what happens when a black person calls a person a "cracker" or something of that offensive nature.I think that the wole nation needs to re-evaluate and come up with another blue print.I know racism will never die but at least those who are detemined to bring about change can have a chance to see their dreams come true.

[hood]

Agreed. It would be neat to see some new black leaders with fresh ideas and very positive outlooks. I don't like what a lot of what Jesse Jackson has done lately. His extremely agressive movements towards companies like Toyota where he forced them to integrate black people into their upper echelons was too heavy handed and in my mind, he abused his power and used almost extortion-like tactics to get his way. I think they need to recognize how far we've come and realize that they jeopardize some of those advancements in attitudes if they continue this way.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Agreed. It would be neat to see some new black leaders with fresh ideas and very positive outlooks. I don't like what a lot of what Jesse Jackson has done lately. His extremely agressive movements towards companies like Toyota where he forced them to integrate black people into their upper echelons was too heavy handed and in my mind, he abused his power and used almost extortion-like tactics to get his way. I think they need to recognize how far we've come and realize that they jeopardize some of those advancements in attitudes if they continue this way.
With the rise of Black middle class, i believe we will see some New positive black leadership very soon. woot

[Red]

You have to understand that a lot of black folks dont recognize these so called leaders as their leaders.I for one dont like jesse and his band of brothers because they are forcibly speaking on my behalf when i never asked them too.They lump all black folks into one pot and say we all have the same problem.these so called black leaders have become so elitist in their views it makes me want to churn my food.But to me,the biggest divide we have in this world is not along racial lines but rather it is along economic lines but the powers that be want us to think it is race.More like divide and rule.

[UkrainianAmerican]

You have to understand that a lot of black folks dont recognize these so called leaders as their leaders.I for one dont like jesse and his band of brothers because they are forcibly speaking on my behalf when i never asked them too.They lump all black folks into one pot and say we all have the same problem.these so called black leaders have become so elitist in their views it makes me want to churn my food.But to me,the biggest divide we have in this world is not along racial lines but rather it is along economic lines but the powers that be want us to think it is race.More like divide and rule.
Yep economic lines are indeed the REAL divisive line in my opinion. Btw, do u happen to be middle class by any chance?

[Red]

You have to understand that a lot of black folks dont recognize these so called leaders as their leaders.I for one dont like jesse and his band of brothers because they are forcibly speaking on my behalf when i never asked them too.They lump all black folks into one pot and say we all have the same problem.these so called black leaders have become so elitist in their views it makes me want to churn my food.But to me,the biggest divide we have in this world is not along racial lines but rather it is along economic lines but the powers that be want us to think it is race.More like divide and rule.
Yep economic lines are indeed the REAL divisive line in my opinion. Btw, do u happen to be middle class by any chance?
hmmm,well i am a college student,hmmm,i want to say i am from an upper middle class family.why do you ask?

[[AFSOC]]

]You know what though....

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

When your friend says there was constant crime in his area, what crime are is he saying? Murder? Mugging? Hustling?

Murder is not right, but when talk about hustling in those neighbourhoods....thats just life. Thats just the way it is there, its the only way to survive in area's like the Projects and Ghetto's. Some of you will say that they can just goto school and make a better life without doing crime....but your not from there and you have no idea what its like in those area;s.


Im not saying Hustling is right....but thats just the way it is. Gotta make a living to survive.

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Hood i disagree with you that were gunna see less and less of racial bias'. There will always be racism which is sad, because soo many people have been fighting for equality in America for years. People like MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Tupac Shakur were just some who wanted change in America.

But look what happened...someone killed them.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, COrona is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.

**** like that has to change, in order to have a better America.

PEople like MLK made a difference, but it will take all of America in order to achieve peace and change.

What the Fvck? What America are you living in? You get an F for blowing the problem way of proportion. We live in 2004 and not 1964. You hugely misused the work segregated. Before you call me a racist, know that I am one of many minorities: Burmese, Chinese, Cuban, German, French.

Vance... Haha I'm with you!

Buddy...why dont you fukkin goto Queens before you talk smack like that you chich. The United States is styll very segregated...goto Canada and you'll know the true meaning of DIVERSITY.

Then come back and tell me the United STates is like that?

[Seiyuuki]

]

]You know what though....

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

When your friend says there was constant crime in his area, what crime are is he saying? Murder? Mugging? Hustling?

Murder is not right, but when talk about hustling in those neighbourhoods....thats just life. Thats just the way it is there, its the only way to survive in area's like the Projects and Ghetto's. Some of you will say that they can just goto school and make a better life without doing crime....but your not from there and you have no idea what its like in those area;s.


Im not saying Hustling is right....but thats just the way it is. Gotta make a living to survive.

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Hood i disagree with you that were gunna see less and less of racial bias'. There will always be racism which is sad, because soo many people have been fighting for equality in America for years. People like MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Tupac Shakur were just some who wanted change in America.

But look what happened...someone killed them.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, COrona is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.

**** like that has to change, in order to have a better America.

PEople like MLK made a difference, but it will take all of America in order to achieve peace and change.

What the Fvck? What America are you living in? You get an F for blowing the problem way of proportion. We live in 2004 and not 1964. You hugely misused the work segregated. Before you call me a racist, know that I am one of many minorities: Burmese, Chinese, Cuban, German, French.

Vance... Haha I'm with you!

Buddy...why dont you fukkin goto Queens before you talk smack like that you chich. The United States is styll very segregated...goto Canada and you'll know the true meaning of DIVERSITY.

Then come back and tell me the United STates is like that?

I have been around and back and the United States is one of the most diverse place I known.

Discrimination exist in every places, but it exist now only as a small, miniscule percentage of the population. Compare to a few decades ago when it was a very prominent problem, I say we have gone far and will continue to do so.

MLK Jr. did more than enough to guide the United States and the rest of the world on the right path toward racial acceptance. Since then, we have stumble and fall a few times on that path, but the important thing is that we picked ourself up and continue the tradition that was started by men and women such as Martin Luther King Jr.

P.S. We must also recognize others who made great contribution to the fight for racial acceptance even though some are all but forgotten by history.

[SeanAshi]

MLK Jr. did more than enough to guide the United States and the rest of the world on the right path toward racial acceptance. Since then, we have stumble and fall a few times on that path, but the important thing is that we picked ourself up and continue the tradition that was started by men and women such as Martin Luther King Jr.

When I look back at history and see how African Americans were treated it makes no sense, just because there skin was dark, they were taken from their homes, forced to become slaves, not allowed to vote, not allowed to eat or socialize with whites, not allowed to attend school with whites, ridiculous! There are some aryan punks that live by me, them guys are violent, but when it comes to fighting one on one, they are scared.

[VorpalDoom]

IMO, the biggest problem with this racism, ****, is the fact that people still lump eachother into a few groups.

Latio
White
Black
Asian
Middle-eastern


Tell me, whatever happened to COUNTRIES.

I have a lot of "black" friends, a few of which aren't even negroid, they know what country their ancestors are mostly from, one is from Etheopia, the other two are from Somalia. They're not black in my eyes, they're Etheopian, and Somalian.

Simple.

I'm not white to them, I'm Irish.

Some of my friends that are from the philipines, they're not Asian, they're philipino, or pacific islander, and in thier eyes, i'm irish or atlantic islander.



Why should people care where you're from? who knows, people do, people will.


If anything, people in america, taht have been here for generations, which includes a significant portion of the dark skin african-american negroids in this country, should simply call themselves american.

My ancestors have only been in america sense my grandparents moved here from Ireland, many "african american" families go back 200-250 years!

You tell me who's more american.
Exactly, the african americans. They have EARNED the right to be americans, and should be threated thus.

Irish people were slaves aswell, I know "my people's" history somewhat, and one of the reasons my grandparents moved to america, was because they had black hair.

In ireland, if you had black hair, you were called "black". Natural irish people do not have black hair, rather, mostpeople with black hair had spanish blood in them, from back in the 1500s to 1700s.

"black irish" is what they were called, and they were treated just as horribly as african americans were treated here 50 years ago.

I agree with hood, as generations of people pass, people will get over it more, and just go on with life, when people just stop talking about it, and worrying about it, then racism will fade away.


I don't think a leader is needed simply everyone needs to think for themselves, and not be ignorant of themselves.




About race in specific, I can't wait for DNA testing to be cheap and affordable + accurate, imagine being able to find out exactly what country you're from, and imagine what that would do for african americans who don't know what country they are from for a number of reasons. It will remove the term african american, and make people WHO they are, and what they are, generalizations will dissapear.

well
my 2 cents.

[Nizark]

F*ck Political Correctness!

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[Red]

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And your point is? :roll:

[UkrainianAmerican]

You have to understand that a lot of black folks dont recognize these so called leaders as their leaders.I for one dont like jesse and his band of brothers because they are forcibly speaking on my behalf when i never asked them too.They lump all black folks into one pot and say we all have the same problem.these so called black leaders have become so elitist in their views it makes me want to churn my food.But to me,the biggest divide we have in this world is not along racial lines but rather it is along economic lines but the powers that be want us to think it is race.More like divide and rule.
Yep economic lines are indeed the REAL divisive line in my opinion. Btw, do u happen to be middle class by any chance?
hmmm,well i am a college student,hmmm,i want to say i am from an upper middle class family.why do you ask?
Proving my point. As i long suspected. Middle class people of black and white backgrounds seem to have a lot more in common (including political views), the say lower class balcks and middle-upperclass blacks.
It seems that as soon as baclk middle class grows more "strong" our society is going to be very close to being colorblind. :D

[UkrainianAmerican]

]

]You know what though....

When you say or he said "black people" its just stereotyping people. That just adds to more racial problems.

When your friend says there was constant crime in his area, what crime are is he saying? Murder? Mugging? Hustling?

Murder is not right, but when talk about hustling in those neighbourhoods....thats just life. Thats just the way it is there, its the only way to survive in area's like the Projects and Ghetto's. Some of you will say that they can just goto school and make a better life without doing crime....but your not from there and you have no idea what its like in those area;s.


Im not saying Hustling is right....but thats just the way it is. Gotta make a living to survive.

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Hood i disagree with you that were gunna see less and less of racial bias'. There will always be racism which is sad, because soo many people have been fighting for equality in America for years. People like MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Tupac Shakur were just some who wanted change in America.

But look what happened...someone killed them.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, COrona is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.

**** like that has to change, in order to have a better America.

PEople like MLK made a difference, but it will take all of America in order to achieve peace and change.

What the Fvck? What America are you living in? You get an F for blowing the problem way of proportion. We live in 2004 and not 1964. You hugely misused the work segregated. Before you call me a racist, know that I am one of many minorities: Burmese, Chinese, Cuban, German, French.

Vance... Haha I'm with you!

Buddy...why dont you fukkin goto Queens before you talk smack like that you chich. The United States is styll very segregated...goto Canada and you'll know the true meaning of DIVERSITY.
Then come back and tell me the United STates is like that?
Well i cant speak for all of America, but in my highschool (Bronx high school of scince), we havre a pretty colorblind attitude. The school is like 50 percent "Asian" (read: born in America, to immigrants from Asian countries), 20 percetn white, and the rest Southeast asian (Indians, pakis, etc.) In the cafeteria most people sit with pretty much every representative of other race (by choice), so I would say America isnt as segregatewd as you see in the movies.

[Red]

You have to understand that a lot of black folks dont recognize these so called leaders as their leaders.I for one dont like jesse and his band of brothers because they are forcibly speaking on my behalf when i never asked them too.They lump all black folks into one pot and say we all have the same problem.these so called black leaders have become so elitist in their views it makes me want to churn my food.But to me,the biggest divide we have in this world is not along racial lines but rather it is along economic lines but the powers that be want us to think it is race.More like divide and rule.
Yep economic lines are indeed the REAL divisive line in my opinion. Btw, do u happen to be middle class by any chance?
hmmm,well i am a college student,hmmm,i want to say i am from an upper middle class family.why do you ask?
Proving my point. As i long suspected. Middle class people of black and white backgrounds seem to have a lot more in common (including political views), the say lower class balcks and middle-upperclass blacks.
It seems that as soon as baclk middle class grows more "strong" our society is going to be very close to being colorblind. :D
i agree with what you say.Poverty is a very bad thing,it makes people do very strange things

[NcDeuce]

I come from a different part of the country than many of you. I come from the Deep South, the hotspot for slavery (of course) in the centuries prior. In the 1900s, it was not uncommon to hear about a lynching incident or African-Americans being mistreated and not let into public buildings, bars, etc.

Growing up down here, it is obvious that some of the "Old South" lives. Confederate flags on license plates, flags, etc. are not uncommon. Many schools here that are in the boonies have no minorities.

My entire school (Private, PreK-12) had a total of less than 6 African-Americans, all except one were in middle or lower schools.

I can honestly say, however, that the radical racist movements are non-existent. There may be a few in the area that still dislike someone for the color of their skin but you'll always have a few rotten eggs.

During high school, the stereotypes were obvious...see, I tan so dark in the summer that I almost look black. In the football games, when I would line up at wide out: I would look up and see two or three DB's ahead of me. It was kind of ridiculous. One of the African-American kids in our school was nicknamed White Chocolate...it was in all good fun, nobody was offended. You can go to the movies and still see how the country boys and girls will sit in a section and the rap group in another.

That's life. Oh well.

[Red]

I come from a different part of the country than many of you. I come from the Deep South, the hotspot for slavery (of course) in the centuries prior. In the 1900s, it was not uncommon to hear about a lynching incident or African-Americans being mistreated and not let into public buildings, bars, etc.

Growing up down here, it is obvious that some of the "Old South" lives. Confederate flags on license plates, flags, etc. are not uncommon. Many schools here that are in the boonies have no minorities.

My entire school (Private, PreK-12) had a total of less than 6 African-Americans, all except one were in middle or lower schools.

I can honestly say, however, that the radical racist movements are non-existent. There may be a few in the area that still dislike someone for the color of their skin but you'll always have a few rotten eggs.

During high school, the stereotypes were obvious...see, I tan so dark in the summer that I almost look black. In the football games, when I would line up at wide out: I would look up and see two or three DB's ahead of me. It was kind of ridiculous. One of the African-American kids in our school was nicknamed White Chocolate...it was in all good fun, nobody was offended. You can go to the movies and still see how the country boys and girls will sit in a section and the rap group in another.

That's life. Oh well.
yup thats life,it aint perfect.Just got to suck it up and deal with it.

[Loco]

[quote="[AFSOC]"][quote="garyfanclub"][quote=[AFSOC]]
MLK Jr. did more than enough to guide the United States and the rest of the world on the right path toward racial acceptance. Since then, we have stumble and fall a few times on that path, but the important thing is that we picked ourself up and continue the tradition that was started by men and women such as Martin Luther King Jr.

P.S. We must also recognize others who made great contribution to the fight for racial acceptance even though some are all but forgotten by history.
GLUPS! :roll:
No doubt USA has now a big preponderance and influence over the world, USA creats many new social trends, but I humbly advise USA citizens to not looking too much your own navel: MLK is only a leader in USA, may be(I don´t know for sure) in some countries like SAfrica or any other former british colony, but in anyway is a world social leader like Mahatma Ghandi was. I mean that MLK if he was born in Brazil, he for sure, with his inteligence, had fought for other civil rights, like finishing the big social differences between richs and poors in a country where poors are really poors and richs are few and very richs and the middle class, 40 years ago, was small. In any way a brasilian black man had to fight for getting into a hotel in the 50s or the 60s, and of course there were discrimination in Brasil, but was more a discrmination of richs to lower class being white or "pardos" how they say. The case of USA is just the case of a society created by puritans protestans, these people who sailed in the Mayflower, being british, were exactly the same type of people who sailed from Netherland to South Africa in the XVII, they built a fair and democratic society but only for the their people, the chosen people.
What´s incredible is that in 1960 it was seen like a forward step that the first catholic president of USA was elected, woh, that´s a feat! and that in the height of 1962, after 2 world wars fought in the name of democracy, many people in USA couldn´t rent a room in a hotel because of their skin´s colour, or being oblied to sit in the back seats of autobus, not to talk of dating with white people, all this things were resolved many years before in many americans countries even if they hadn´t a democracy. I remember here sometime ago that someome wrote about american general Ricardo Sánchez making a joke about his "foreing" condition, he was an "hispano". R.Sánchez has evidently indian ancestors, he isn´t spanish because spanish don´t look like general R.Sánchez, the most of mexican people are like him, and I pointed the fact that he was a texan, and since Texas was in other time a mexican territory, and since indians were the first and only genuines americans, well, R.Sánchez in anyway was something like an inmigrant but he was "the american" one, so to speak, I think is insane still today people think of the non-white even in benign terms as foreign people with the plan of putting him in the second file. If R.Sánchez was born 2 centuries ago in the same place, he would have 2 chances: born in a rich family or in a poor family, and so he could study in the university and being an important man in his society, but in anyway he would be discriminated 2 centuries ago because of him being a "redskin", that was a problem Hernán Cortés resolved 5 centuries ago when many of his captains and soldiers got married with indians and in the case they had child born out of the marriege they gave their surnames. What the h...! The founder of Guardia Civil in Spain, in XIX, was an aristocrat, Duque de Ahumada, and he was a descendant of Moctezuma and of course none of his ancestor went to a separeted school.
Those americans tv soaps like the Prince of Bel Air or so(with Will Smith) and the show of Bill Cosby are themselves insanes, and they show that something is wrong even if they pretend the contrary: I wonder, so many beauty black girls and boys running up and down and joking and kidding with other beauty withe-withe girls and boys, but when the moment of kissing or just sleeping together comes, then the whites with whites and the black with black, pointing that black guys are black-black, black-1/4 white, black-1/2 white, black-1/8 white or even 1/8black-white. ¿!? In europe, all west-europe by now, that´s what I know, this problem doesn´t exist. If a white boy/girl meets in the Disco a black girl/boy there is no problem in dating and more together, and in being introduced in the other´s family, perhaps is more important the social background, and I don´t say white parents don´t prefer a white boy for their white girl, every body have their preferences, but there is not really a social opposition to this relationships. And it´s curios that perhaps the most social opened european society today it´s Netherland, the country where the most puritan people were born, but it seems as they all were sent far away, to S.Africa and N.America.
Really, MLK would be a jobless in the 60´s in Europe.

rish people were slaves aswell, I know "my people's" history somewhat, and one of the reasons my grandparents moved to america, was because they had black hair.
In ireland, if you had black hair, you were called "black". Natural irish people do not have black hair, rather, mostpeople with black hair had spanish blood in them, from back in the 1500s to 1700s.
Oh my God! Now I´ve a problem I´ve never had before, I feel inferior as a spanish because an american with irish ancestor thinks black hair irish are of spanish ancestors. First, I was in Eire before, for learning english like many other fellows of my school, with few succes as you see, but that´s off topic, and I lived in irish houses with irish families, you know those bed&breakfast programs, and I´ve listened a lot of topics about irish themselves and about spanish, regarding us is the Armada Invencible subject the most talled topic, and endless source both in Eire and G.Britain itself: it there is a strange dog or bird race, it was brought by Armada´s wrecked sailor, and in Eire some people JOKING, not seriously, say about themselves they are spanish when they have black hair, they don´t think they have spanish ancestors. Really, in Spain people with black hair aren´t many, there are many peope with dark brown or brown hair, of course that are more than in Eire, but it´s the same with the myth that irish, the "true irish" you´re talking are red-hair, and that´s false, red hair irish aren´t the majority, but they think about themselves they are and identity sign, like the trefoil or the green fields: In fact, the most of Europe is green and there are trefoils everywhere, not only in Ireland. And what about the many black hair english and scotish?? This is the typical racial myth impossed by the colonial power over the colonized people: the last ones, even if they fought and won agaisn´t the opressor at last they internalize the categorys of the former opressor. It´s the same with the myth of nacism about Aryan people: Nazis proclaimed they were some kind of a pure breed race, the "aryans ones", as if they always remained pure without being mixed with neighbour countries, what of course is a lie. And first of all, the aryan race it doesn´t exist nor the germans remained "pured", but even so, many people who fought against germans accept the myth they were the so called "aryan", the only thing don´t accept is they are superiors to others. And talking about that, there are many black hair german people, spanish germans? I think not.
And talking about history: Spaniards never emigrated to Ireland, in the XVI and XVII there were some expeditions and some soldiers, I think captain Contreras was one of them, hired for fighting or training troops in Ireland, but they never where a significant number, but at the contrary, a lot of Irish emigrated to Spain mainly after the big defeat of early XVII century and in the next 2 centuries, thousand of irish served in spanish regiments, there were full irish spanish regiments during 2 centuries, the Ultonia regiment is a well known one, there were many irish serving in the administration echelons, or religious people, or simply working in Spain, but the blond spanish don´t pretend being sons of irish nor they would like being called "irish" because of their blond hair. Irish emigrated to USA because they were peasants dispossessed of their lands by british and they simply perished of starvation, blondes and black hair irish, had a different language of english and had a different religion, so Ireland was the poorest territory of western europe in the XIX century with difference, in resume, it was a colonized territoy, the same Africa would suffer few years after. Karl Marx wrote a lot about Ireland, but I´m afraid his name´s taboo here and now his name hasn´t a lot of prestige. And what the h...! If irish with black hair were persecuted and treated like slaves because their supposed spanish heritage and flew away to America instead of fighting, they didn´t deserve being called spanish because is offensive to spanish, and of course they deserved being treated as slaves, that´s a thing spanish never tolerated to ourselves in our long history, I can´t evite saying this.
I hope you like this short post.
PD: I´m just curious, what was the hair colour of Eamon de Valera?

[Red]

yep,your post is really short ;)

[George W. Bush]

I had a dream! and it got distorted rofl

[George W. Bush]

BTW I guess the myth that the North unconstitutionally attacked the South to "liberate" the Southern slaves is still being perpetuated. Oh well, I guess the victor writes the history books.

[Red]

BTW I guess the myth that the North unconstitutionally attacked the South to "liberate" the Southern slaves is still being perpetuated. Oh well, I guess the victor writes the history books.
let me guess the south wanted to liberate the slaves from the evil pixies :cantbeli:

[hood]

The important point to make concerning China town or Little Italy in various cities, is that those people choose to move to areas that are saturated with people of their own ethnicity/race. They're not forced to like in the past.

[Red]

The important point to make concerning China town or Little Italy in various cities, is that those people choose to move to areas that are saturated with people of their own ethnicity/race. They're not forced to like in the past.
hood do you know the price for an A+ certification exam?what about a CCNA or CISSP?

[hood]

Dunno, never took them.

[UkrainianAmerican]

The important point to make concerning China town or Little Italy in various cities, is that those people choose to move to areas that are saturated with people of their own ethnicity/race. They're not forced to like in the past.
hood do you know the price for an A+ certification exam?what about a CCNA or CISSP?
Do you mean A+ as in computer assembly exam? If so it costs around 120 bucks.

[Red]

thanks,i will soon be graduating college and i need my certs

[Seiyuuki]

Gonna go for any MCSE certification?

[Red]

Gonna go for any MCSE certification?
no,i just need networking certs

[UkrainianAmerican]

Gonna go for any MCSE certification?
no,i just need networking certs
Ye i believe CISCO certification is also around 80-120 bucks or so.

[Red]

Gonna go for any MCSE certification?
no,i just need networking certs
Ye i believe CISCO certification is also around 80-120 bucks or so.
thanks men

[UkrainianAmerican]

Gonna go for any MCSE certification?
no,i just need networking certs
Ye i believe CISCO certification is also around 80-120 bucks or so.
thanks men
np ;)

[11F5S]

Whats not right, is that the government ignores the poverty in the United States. There shouldnt even be Ghetto's in the country....more effort should be done to make a better America.

Its a pity that the USA is soo segregated in cities. For example when you go to New York City, places like Elmhurst in Queens is almost pure latino's, COrona is black, Jackson heights asians, FLushing is white.



If those hustlers you mention would take advantage of the educational oportunities available they would have a way out of the ghetto like many minority children have. Life is full of choices.... Garbage is garbage, it doesn't matter what their race or nationality is.

When did Flushing become "white suburban NYC"? I lived in Flushing while going to grad school in the the mid/late seventies and it was very diversified, sort of the United Nations of Suburbia, a true melting pot.