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Jooglae
01-18-2004, 08:45 PM
JSDF Western Army

Although Japan is currently not allowed to have an official army due to its peace constitution established during the postbellum years(therefore the JSDF's mission are limited to the self-defense of the islands of Japan), it has built up a considerable amount of military power with high-tech weapons and armors that goes second to China, and ranks in the world's top ten.

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/message/image8.gif
The Western Army, as seen from above, is in charge of defending the downmost tip of the stretched Japan islands, including the islets of Okinawa, Goko, Senkaku(isles that are recently causing diplomatic furor between Japan and China), Osmi, Tokara, Amami, Sakishima, and Ryukyu.

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/message/image7.gif
The Western Army is composed of the 4th Division, 8th Division, and the 1st Mixed Brigade.

Type 74 tank crossing a makeshift bridge.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo1.jpg
Type 79 AT missile being fired.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo2.jpg
Type 70 bridge tanks
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo3.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo10.jpgAH-1s on training.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo4.jpg
Soldiers getting out of a CH-47.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo5.jpg
Bike patrol

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo7.jpg

NBC training. Japan is quite sensitive to terror due to the catastrophic 1992 sarin gas attack at a Tokyo sub terminal, carried out by Om Shinrikyo fanatics.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo8.jpg
Medics treating an intoxicated person(training, of course.)
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/others/photo9.jpg
Troops flushing out guerillas hidden in a barrow.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image11.jpg
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image21.jpg
Signaling his comrades.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image31.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image41.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image51.jpg
CT training-infiltrating a two-story building.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image61.jpg
Popping up a smoke grenade to weed out guerillas hidden in the building.
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image71.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image81.jpg
Cooperation with the U.S. military.(Some of these photos seem to be quite old.)
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/nitibei/photo5.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/nitibei/photo6.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/nitibei/photo7.jpg

http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/nitibei/photo8.jpg

pfclee
01-18-2004, 08:48 PM
That yellow and black face camo is just WRONG!

[AFSOC]
01-18-2004, 08:48 PM
Do Japanese officers still carry Katana's?

[AFSOC]
01-18-2004, 08:49 PM
That yellow and black face camo is just WRONG!

Go ahead and tell him that, you'll prolly get a swift kick to the face.

Jooglae
01-18-2004, 08:49 PM
]Do Japanese officers still carry Katana's?


Is it still 1944?

mustamato
01-18-2004, 08:53 PM
That yellow and black face camo is just WRONG!

Itīs not about looking like something taken from a Rangers recruitment poster. Itīs about not looking like a human watching you. Itīs effective as I can see it in their terrain. Although I would have green instead of yellow.

[AFSOC]
01-18-2004, 09:39 PM
]Do Japanese officers still carry Katana's?


Is it still 1944?

Ok there you ignorant jackass...

If you knew anything about the Japanese the JApanese Katana blade has been there for CENTURIES. Its Japanese tradition ****face, its like how people in the US and Canada carry sabres in ceremonies.

is it still 1944???...shut the **** up bastardio

bison
01-18-2004, 09:58 PM
concerning the camo: the whole idea of (most) camo is to disrupt the natural outline of an object, making it not harder to see, but rather to distinguish and recognise the object... hence blending in... by changing at all the areas of light and dark on the human face you can in effect, make yourself less conspicuous. my $.02

memphiz
01-18-2004, 10:10 PM
is there camo a type of flecktarn?

HumanShield
01-18-2004, 10:27 PM
]

]Do Japanese officers still carry Katana's?


Is it still 1944?

Ok there you ignorant jackass...

If you knew anything about the Japanese the JApanese Katana blade has been there for CENTURIES. Its Japanese tradition ****face, its like how people in the US and Canada carry sabres in ceremonies.

is it still 1944???...shut the **** up bastardio

ohhhhhhhhhh snap... :backhand:
i smell flame war

Ghostwolf
01-18-2004, 11:10 PM
]

]Do Japanese
officers still carry Katana's?
Is it still 1944?
Ok there you ignorant jackass...
If you knew anything about the Japanese the JApanese Katana blade has
been there for CENTURIES. Its Japanese tradition ****face, its like how
people in the US and Canada carry sabres in ceremonies.
is it still 1944???...shut the **** up bastardio

WHOA!! Calm down people, there is no need to kill each other over an
arguement here. Here is the fact, the Japanese officers don't carry katana
anymore because it reminded many people, especially Asians, of the
atrocities committed by the Imperial Japan Army(IJA) during World War
II. Nowadays instead of katana, a western style saber is used and in
ceremonies ONLY.

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=516092
If you look at the officer on the left, you will notice that he is carrying a
saber, and not a katana.

kutter
01-19-2004, 12:11 AM
is there camo a type of flecktarn?

I guess you can say it is kind of a 'flecktarn-ish' type pattern. Heres an excellent link on Japanese equipment:
http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~camouflage/jsdf_uniforms&items.htm

pfclee
01-19-2004, 12:31 AM
Dang, AFSOC, calm down dude.

I was just being little playful about their face camo. Geez.

Also please know that we Koreans (and also Chinese) have some emotional stuff with Japanese people in the past and do not have very good feeling about them holding katana as Ghostwolf indicated.


If you see pictures of Japanese officers slashing resisting Korean men and women's necks,

if you see your grandparents' slashed heads rolling down on the street like its pieces of garbage in the picture,

you will know why jooglae reacted like that.


By the way, I apologize if that face camo joke sound offensive to you guys.


Jay ;)

Jooglae
01-19-2004, 12:55 AM
]

]Do Japanese officers still carry Katana's?


Is it still 1944?

Ok there you ignorant jackass...

If you knew anything about the Japanese the JApanese Katana blade has been there for CENTURIES. Its Japanese tradition ****face, its like how people in the US and Canada carry sabres in ceremonies.

is it still 1944???...shut the **** up bastardio


Man, what the **** 's your problem,huh? I was just saying that in a light-hearted manner. What the **** are you anyway, a kendo maniac? Or a samurai reenactor? Do you have to be that sensitive about whether JSDF officers carry Katanas or not? As pointed above, the Japanese don't carry their traditional swords anymore because it reminds many people of the atrocities committed by the Imperial Army during WW2. You want me to tell you how many U.S. Marines were beheaded by that sword? If my comments seemed to be offensive, then I apologize. But is the matter so important, like some irreversible truth or something?

BTW, JSDF officers carry SIG P220s as their sidearm, and SAT(Tokyo metropolitan police SWAT) and the SST(Maritime CT unit) has P228s.

Jeez, I gotta calm down. pfclee님, thank you for making my point!!^^ ;)

Schiller
01-19-2004, 10:17 AM
Cool ppics mate, thanks for sharing them with the rest.
But why is everybody so pissed off about a sword or something? It's a really trivial matter, and I don' thknik you have to raise your voices about it, at least methinks.

Anyway, the Japanese flectarn is really cool. Any way to get it?

Schiller
01-19-2004, 10:44 AM
That yellow and black face camo is just WRONG!


thinking of it, the camo paint is kinda off. Yellow and black colors make a good contrast that makes you more visible.

earl
01-19-2004, 03:43 PM
That yellow and black face camo is just WRONG!


thinking of it, the camo paint is kinda off. Yellow and black colors make a good contrast that makes you more visible.

No it doesn't really make you more visible. It disrupts the normal highlight/shadow patterns of a human face that can give you away. The shape of the pattern is more important than the colours, unless it was something stupid like fluorescent orange. The yellow does fit in with the grass area he is in. Look at him in the pics, it isn't more contrast than a dark tree against the light ground cover.

Vintendo
01-19-2004, 08:08 PM
Yo that face paint is awsome, I don't know what you guys are talkin about. If i was walking in the woods and saw that face I'd crap myself.

That Japanese Flecktarn is so sweet. Notice the HUGE difference between the American in Woodland and the Japanese next to him.

P.S. Everyone needs to calm down. Its just a simple case of miscommunication. I can't believe people behave in such a manner on a forum about war and killing. Oh wait...

fantassin
01-20-2004, 03:29 PM
Also please know that we Koreans (and also Chinese) have some emotional stuff with Japanese people

I wonder why.....


In Remembrance of the Victims of Nanjing
Summary of the Atrocities Committed by Imperialist Japan
Against the People of Nanjing
In 1928, the Chinese Nationalist Government moved the capital of China from Peking to Nanjing. The city normally held about 250,000 people, but by the mid-1930's its population had swollen to more than 1 million. Many of them were refugees fleeing from the Imperialist Japanese armies, which had invaded China since 1931. On November 11, 1937, after securing control of Shanghai, the Japanese army advanced towards Nanjing from different directions. In early December, the Japanese troops were already in the proximity of Nanjing.

On December 9, after unsuccessfully demanding the defending Chinese troops in Nanjing to surrender, the Japanese troops launched a massive attack upon the city. On the 12th, the defending Chinese troops decided to retreat to the other side of Yangtze River. On the 13th of December, the 6th and the 116th Divisions of the Japanese Army first entered the city. At the same time, the 9th Division entered Guang Hua Gate, and the 16th Division entered Zhong Shan Gate and the Tai Ping Gate. In the afternoon, two Japanese Navy fleets arrived on both sides of the Yangtze River. On the same day, December 13th, 1937, Nanjing fell to the Japanese. In the next six weeks, the Japanese committed the infamous Nanjing Massacre, or the Rape of Nanjing, during which an estimated 300,000 Chinese soldiers and civilians were killed, and 20,000 women were raped.

During the Nanjing Massacre, the Japanese committed a litany of atrocities against innocent civilians, including mass execution, raping, looting, and burning. It is impossible to keep a detailed account of all of these crimes. However, from the scale and the nature of these crimes as documented by survivors and the diaries of the Japanese militarists, the chilling evidence of this historical tragedy is indisputable.

Japanese Denial of the Atrocities
From 1937 to 1990, the Japanese militarists, the government and the public dealt with the undeniable atrocities committed by the Japanese troops in Nanjing and the rest of Asia in a number of ways. The major waves of Japanese treatment of this dark historical tragedy ranged from total cover-up during the war, confessions and documentation by the Japanese soldiers during the 1950's and 60's, minimization of the extent of the Nanjing Massacre during the 70's and 80's, official distortion and rewriting of history during the 80's, and total denial of the occurrence of the Nanjing Massacre by government officials in 1990.

Marmot1
01-20-2004, 06:52 PM
total denial of the occurrence of the Nanjing Massacre by government officials in 1990.


!!! Dennial in 1990 are they idiots or what???

it's like russian dennial of "Katyń" genocide on polish POWs to the 90's(ca.40000 were executed with hands tied and burried in mass graves around 27000 of bodies were found to date remaining are in unknown probably loaded on ships that were intentinaly sunnken in White Sea but this is only rumor)
http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr33i_files/katyn2.jpeg



http://katyn.codis.ru/katyn_2.gif

http://www.polandsholocaust.org/katyncolage.gif

Victims

and some info in english

http://www.polandsholocaust.org/Katyn4.html

Dalleer
01-20-2004, 08:13 PM
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image31.jpg

Interesting, that camouflage is indeed very Flecktarn-ish and due to that might be very useful.

But, I wonder about that bag the man has with him. Is it a gasmask-bag? or perhaps he stores ammunition there?

Ghostwolf
01-20-2004, 08:48 PM
!!! Denial in 1990 are they idiots or what???

Not just ordinary idiots, arrogant militaristic idiots! The Japanese
government still allows officials and far right extremists to worship
executed war criminals in that temple (forgot the name). Now that Japan
is a country with the second largest economy on this planet, but when it
comes to war compensations the Japanese government hardly ever paid
up, nor even apologizes for the war crimes committed and for the
invasion of other Asian nations during World War II. Despite Japan
proclaims itself a "peaceful" nation, it has done virtually NOTHING to
mend the wounds it caused to other Asian countries, in my mind it still
regards any other non-Japanese asians as, if you excuse the language,
untermensch or "sub-humans". From what I've heard, the German
government not only paid compensation to the surviving families and
victims of the Holocaust, it also apologizes and paid compensation to
other European nations it invaded during the war as well. Quite a contrast
isn't it?

Doing business with the Japanese is one thing, but with the kind of
mindset, Japan will never gain any respect from other asian countries,
despite being the rich and powerful.

BTW just in case you didn't notice, I am saying this regarding to the
attitude taken by the Japanese government, I'm not saying that ALL
ordinary Japanese citizens bahave this way, although there were quite
a few did.

Marmot1
01-20-2004, 10:02 PM
http://www.wae.jgsdf.go.jp/info/exercise/yugeki/image31.jpg

Interesting, that camouflage is indeed very Flecktarn-ish and due to that might be very useful.

But, I wonder about that bag the man has with him. Is it a gasmask-bag? or perhaps he stores ammunition there?

Maybe he is a medic or maybe he stores explosives there

Shrap
01-20-2004, 10:10 PM
Yo that face paint is awsome, I don't know what you guys are talkin about. If i was walking in the woods and saw that face I'd crap myself.

The point of camo is NOT to be seen.