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Thor
08-20-2005, 06:06 AM
Everyone that's had experience of doing long range patrols know the feeling of carrying these loads on your back day after day.

http://www.k4.mil.se/images/local/marsch_web.jpg

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3648/k4skidmarsch1dw.jpg

If a mate gets injured you have to spread out his gear on the rest of the squad.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7106/hpim02647xz.jpg



Share your pics!

Umm-Qasr
08-20-2005, 06:38 AM
I like this one:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6651/marines309mn.jpg

Mailman
08-20-2005, 06:47 AM
naw the pics are all lies as all the have in their backpacks are bags filled with helium :backhand:

Mailman

RGRBOX
08-20-2005, 07:33 AM
Good pics guys... In the 1st Gulf War, I was on LRS ops and carried a 110L Alpine Lowe pack with a small ALICE as a E&E and patrol pack... When I returned after on op I wieghed less then my ruck... We were lucky that the ground wasn't loose sand... would have never gotten anywhere on patrol...

Swedish_Marine
08-20-2005, 08:46 AM
http://www.amf1.mil.se/images/local/full-packning.jpg
Kustjägare from the platoon´s AT-section. Full Berghaus Trident 110 litre ruck and a Carl Gustaf m/48.
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-52089/marine/tross.JPG
Amphibious soldier with his Berghaus Trident
http://batbek.amfbat.com/images/nordenmarkbilder/0007.jpg
Amphibious soldiers from the missile platoon carrying the missile launchers
http://batbek.amfbat.com/images/fotorekovning/DSC00120.JPG
Amphibious soldiers marching

Morboute
08-20-2005, 09:00 AM
http://batbek.amfbat.com/images/nordenmarkbilder/0007.jpg

oh thats the best! woot

Thor
08-20-2005, 09:50 AM
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/rbomg.jpg


http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/marsch.jpg


http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/grkmarsch.jpg

v-twin
08-20-2005, 09:58 AM
The hell are they carrying in there ?!

Khabbi
08-20-2005, 10:14 AM
The hell are they carrying in there ?!

midget ninjas p-)

Thor
08-20-2005, 10:15 AM
Don't know exactly what they carrying, but in the first two pics what you see on the outside is a BILL 2 anti-tank system and missiles. And in the third pic you see mortars.

TP
08-20-2005, 10:17 AM
Dutch Air Manoeuvre Brigade

http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening01/P4050110.sized.jpg

http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0011.sized.jpg

http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0103.sized.jpg

http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0098.sized.jpg

http://www.landmacht.nl/300-wereldwijd/370/12-15/hoofdstukken/fotos/5742.jpg

Morboute
08-20-2005, 11:24 AM
Don't know exactly what they carrying, but in the first two pics what you see on the outside is a BILL 2 anti-tank system and missiles. And in the third pic you see mortars.

They are army ranger recruits on an exercise set to test them on movements and fighting under harsh conditions.


BILL 2 = awsome.

you dont know if the Bofors BILL 2 video have been posted by any chanse? if not, then i need to find some place to upload a 160meg vid. :lol:

McLane
08-20-2005, 11:29 AM
Need of Ammo?

http://radditz.no-ip.org/mclane/bw012.jpg

V/E
08-20-2005, 11:31 AM
BILL 2 = awsome.

you dont know if the Bofors BILL 2 video have been posted by any chanse? if not, then i need to find some place to upload a 160meg vid. :lol:[/quote]


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46706&highlight=

D.Sigurdsson
08-20-2005, 11:42 AM
Found these on my harddrive in my USMC folder, these are from early into OIF
http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/1.jpg
http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/2.jpg
http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/3.jpg
http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/4.jpg
http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/5.jpg

HumanShield
08-20-2005, 11:50 AM
Thank god i have a humvee to carry my **** lol
mechanized hooah

wormie
08-20-2005, 01:10 PM
Most of those are from OEF, not OIF. ;)

D.Sigurdsson
08-20-2005, 01:18 PM
Most of those are from OEF, not OIF. ;)
my bad :) :hug:

Morboute
08-20-2005, 01:30 PM
BILL 2 = awsome.

you dont know if the Bofors BILL 2 video have been posted by any chanse? if not, then i need to find some place to upload a 160meg vid. :lol:


http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46706&highlight=[/quote]

i got a better one. :D
actually its that video and 8 min more or so and better quality

BadKarma26
08-20-2005, 01:42 PM
Skedcos are gay. Etools are gay. PRC-77s are gay.

scm77
08-20-2005, 02:35 PM
Seen this picture before, but never this size until last night.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7738/heavyload9hd.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heavyload9hd.jpg)

RGRBOX
08-20-2005, 02:44 PM
Seen this picture before, but never this size until last night.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7738/heavyload9hd.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heavyload9hd.jpg)

Good pic... those guys from the 172d were totally **** and pissed on by the weather....

Freight_R031
08-20-2005, 02:59 PM
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6694/apd0250001417up.th.jpg (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apd0250001417up.jpg)
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3624/ccdn120je.th.jpg (http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ccdn120je.jpg)

ZeroZen
08-20-2005, 04:10 PM
http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/1.jpg


They look like Ninja turtles......

Ryan94
08-20-2005, 04:21 PM
Seen this picture before, but never this size until last night.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7738/heavyload9hd.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heavyload9hd.jpg)

Good pic... those guys from the 172d were totally **** and pissed on by the weather....

I hope you mean 173rd. Airborne... ;)

dez000
08-20-2005, 05:02 PM
<img src=http://www.mil.be/isaf/viewpic.asp?LAN=nl&FILE=gall&ID=56510&SIZE=big>

Belgians @ Afghanistan

Dominique
08-20-2005, 05:49 PM
Just looking at these picks brings back many bad memories. "Shudder"

CSAR
08-20-2005, 06:13 PM
Thank god I served in the artillery. One 25km march with 40kg's of equipment was quite enought for me. :)

Macs.
08-20-2005, 06:27 PM
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6590/ksk308fx.jpg

Dominique
08-20-2005, 06:29 PM
Try man packing a Stinger missile with all the attched MILES gear, plus everything else you normally have to carry (water, ammo, radio batteries, etc.). Then just to make the day complete, you get to listen to the infantry guys telling you to "Hurry up, you're slowing us down." Every five damn minutes.

RGRBOX
08-21-2005, 05:39 AM
Seen this picture before, but never this size until last night.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7738/heavyload9hd.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heavyload9hd.jpg)

Good pic... those guys from the 172d were totally **** and pissed on by the weather....

I hope you mean 173rd. Airborne... ;)

I stand corrected... I've got 172d pics on my screen saver... I was looking at them when this came up...

GrimmyRX
08-21-2005, 05:11 PM
Try man packing a Stinger missile with all the attched MILES gear, plus everything else you normally have to carry (water, ammo, radio batteries, etc.). Then just to make the day complete, you get to listen to the infantry guys telling you to "Hurry up, you're slowing us down." Every five damn minutes.

Bad day to be whatever you were eh? lol.

RGRBOX
08-21-2005, 05:14 PM
Try man packing a Stinger missile with all the attched MILES gear, plus everything else you normally have to carry (water, ammo, radio batteries, etc.). Then just to make the day complete, you get to listen to the infantry guys telling you to "Hurry up, you're slowing us down." Every five damn minutes.

Makes me feel glad tht I was just an 11B... although we did get a course in using that ****er once... there weren't any Stinger Gunners in the Bat..

RGRBOX
09-05-2005, 12:06 PM
Did somebody sayed carrying stingers?

This is a picture of two Dutch Air Manoeuvre Brigade guy's (11AMB). They're part of a air defence unit of the 11AMB.
(here shown with SAAB laserduel system)

http://members.home.nl/cyriel.stassen/Infantry%20&%20Marines%20plaatjes/Groot/LMB_2.jpeg

Now that looks like it sucks...

Rafter
09-08-2005, 03:30 PM
http://www.k3.mil.se/images/local/rbomg.jpg

Hey! I know that guy to the right, I marched the Nijmegen march with that guy this summer.

The pic's in that post from Thor are from the Ranger march in 2003, the year after I did it. About 80 klicks with Bergens in that size, a "funny" little event..

Now here is a pic from my basic service!

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/4682/24hpackning7ck.th.jpg (http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24hpackning7ck.jpg)

.Incognito
09-08-2005, 04:26 PM
sorry for the dumb question but does anybody know much those guys are carrying each? Is it over a hundred pounds?

http://files.bns-code.org/humpruck/3.jpg

RGRBOX
09-08-2005, 05:28 PM
I'm not sure but the guy in the pic on the left looks to be carrying 3 packs at one time???

David.Hasselhof
09-08-2005, 05:38 PM
So any of you guys who had to lug around an antitank/antiaircraft missile wish to Jesus that you saw a tank/helo to shoot so you could stop carrying the thing? I mean, what goes through your mind when someone says,"Oh, here's what you have to carry. And hurry up!"

Also... the other guys in your platoon/squad don't carry your stuff just cause you're carrying a mortar, do they?

just asking...

Hydro
09-08-2005, 05:50 PM
Mmmm, heavy kit. In the process of joining a new unit and will be going to Machine Gun platoon...man packing sustained fire L7A2 MAG equipment. Yay.

The platoon may be be re-roled next year...no more packing tripod, gun, sight, ammo, aiming stakes, spare barrels...instead it may become either an Anti-Tank or a Mortar Platoon. Enter MILAN firing posts and missiles, or L16 81mm mortar tubes, baseplates, rounds, sight....bleh.

Quite looking forward to it in a masochistic way, actually :)

RGRBOX
09-08-2005, 05:55 PM
So any of you guys who had to lug around an antitank/antiaircraft missile wish to Jesus that you saw a tank/helo to shoot so you could stop carrying the thing? I mean, what goes through your mind when someone says,"Oh, here's what you have to carry. And hurry up!"

Also... the other guys in your platoon/squad don't carry your stuff just cause you're carrying a mortar, do they?

just asking...

Although I wasn't (3 charlie) ??? qualified, that is I wasn't qualified to use the Dragon AT weapon, I used to have to jump the ****er for one of my shorter soldiers... that system used to give me more ****... first, rigging it wasn't that bad, but duck walking that ****er into the back of a 141 was, then dragging the damn thing out of the aircraft... always on the right side skin of the aircraft, that way you could correctly and safely give your static line to the JM... Then after you falll out and receiving one of the most ****ed up opening shocks you could imagine, you had to bycycle like a bat out of hell soo you could get some kind of control of your chute... then if it happened to be Sicily Dz at O dark 30 and you landed on the airstip. And you suvived without killing, breaking or loosing your head, you had to drag that ****er to yourself, quickly prepare it and your weapon soo you could carry it to your AA... usually on the opisite end of Sicily to do a blocking position in the direction of the church... And I also had to lead my Squad, and find the little ****er who usually landed about 10m from the AA, and ended up breaking something so I would have to carry it on the 9 miles back to the barracks... but I loved me job... and I didn't ***** about it.. I did my job, and now I'm out..

drGreen
09-09-2005, 03:39 AM
FFS just fill in the right form when enlisting it has to say CAV!

:lol:

Icarus1
09-09-2005, 03:52 AM
http://www.17er.ch/_img/img_gal/380/29.jpg

Looks not so heavy as others, but it is a full Lowe Backpack with all the the technical **** for force recon (SE235 radio, batteries, water, NVG, etc etc)...

andreen
09-09-2005, 04:53 AM
Yes I do have a hate-love to this backpack.

LK100

http://www.militaryshop.se/bilder/produkter/sacci_2000_100L.jpg

(For al sweds, Militaryshops new shop in Göteborg wery nice. Smidesgatan 4)

RGRBOX
09-09-2005, 07:03 AM
http://www.17er.ch/_img/img_gal/380/29.jpg

Looks not so heavy as others, but it is a full Lowe Backpack with all the the technical **** for force recon (SE235 radio, batteries, water, NVG, etc etc)...

Hey Icarus1 Welcome to the forum... Good to see the Swiss are out there... Are you in the Military? And if so are you with 17 Co.?

Trident355
09-09-2005, 07:16 AM
What are people's thoughts on ALICE packs vs flexible frames?

MARINO
09-09-2005, 07:54 AM
<img src=http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album53/abf.sized.jpg>

Spanish Airborne in A-Stan

Icarus1
09-09-2005, 08:50 AM
http://www.17er.ch/_img/img_gal/380/29.jpg

Looks not so heavy as others, but it is a full Lowe Backpack with all the the technical **** for force recon (SE235 radio, batteries, water, NVG, etc etc)...

Hey Icarus1 Welcome to the forum... Good to see the Swiss are out there... Are you in the Military? And if so are you with 17 Co.?

Per Aspera ad Astra, Cp17 forever.

U r swiss too? What unit? bat?

Hotshot
09-09-2005, 06:19 PM
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3371/landteam10mm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/5439/landteam114ek.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/543/landteam95sl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Belgians :P with the Former FNC

RGRBOX
09-09-2005, 06:34 PM
http://www.17er.ch/_img/img_gal/380/29.jpg

Looks not so heavy as others, but it is a full Lowe Backpack with all the the technical **** for force recon (SE235 radio, batteries, water, NVG, etc etc)...

Hey Icarus1 Welcome to the forum... Good to see the Swiss are out there... Are you in the Military? And if so are you with 17 Co.?

Per Aspera ad Astra, Cp17 forever.

U r swiss too? What unit? bat?


Negative... I'm not Swiss, I'm an American living near Geneva. I know some of the guys in the Cp17 thru my business... all of the instructors use my Assault Vest.

Thor
09-12-2005, 07:02 PM
Ok guys, we're getting out of line here. These are just normal infantry packs, let's get back to back breaking contest.

NorthOf45
09-13-2005, 12:06 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Titan62/Canadian%20Military/CF_Afghanistan_030825.jpg

October 25, 2003 - A Canadian soldier scales a steep Afghan mountainside while carrying over 90 pounds of supplies, ammunition and equipment. Members of Reconnaissance Platoon, 3 RCR Battalion Group, were sent into the rugged mountains outside Kabul on a multi-day reconnaissance mission to silently probe for terrorist and criminal elements operating near the capital. This soldier is wearing the new (at that time) CADPAT (Arid Regions) desert uniform and is armed with a C8 carbine fitted with a PEQ-2 laser designator.

Field_Gunner
09-13-2005, 02:30 AM
once we (canadians) get the new rucks and day packs there will be no stopping us. I got to try one on that had about 100lbs from what the guy said....you could run in the damn thing soooooo nice better than the piece of crap next to my desk at the moment

DieHardLMB
09-14-2005, 09:10 AM
dutch army recruits on a verry long patrol

http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening01/P4050110.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening01/P4050125.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0031.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0011.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0089.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0096.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0098.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0099.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0102.sized.jpg
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0103.sized.jpg


just look at this ophill road, its just to much
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0107.sized.jpg

they have walked about 150 km in about 3 to 4 days with 2 houers sleep at nicht

DieHardLMB
09-14-2005, 09:14 AM
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/week22/DSCF0144.sized.jpg

rofl

kayaker
09-14-2005, 09:21 AM
Boy on extreme right cracks me up. look at the previous photo too where you can see him carrying his rifle in an "unpopular" fashion. This is where the word selection comes fully into its right

http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/eindoefening02/DSCF0098.sized.jpg

rhino
09-14-2005, 09:27 AM
http://www.schoolbataljon.nl/nuke/modules/Gallery/album/week22/DSCF0144.sized.jpg

rofl

? i dont see it, what so funny?

DieHardLMB
09-14-2005, 09:45 AM
http://dl1.**********.de/files/5088878/99771573/naamloos.PNG

see how his thing are almost falling of and stuff, wile the other boys have there things nicely on ther backs

kayaker
09-14-2005, 09:52 AM
Yep always find those people. I found it hard to work with them. `Evolution` soon sorted them out though.

DieHardLMB
09-14-2005, 09:56 AM
Yep always find those people. I found it hard to work with them. `Evolution` soon sorted them out though.

heb je ook de amol gedan en gehald??

kayaker
09-14-2005, 10:08 AM
Nee, in wales en Engeland militaire ervaring gehad. Nu terug in NL voor HBO Verpleegkundige. Jij van plan/ben je in de miliary?

OldRecon
09-14-2005, 01:31 PM
Norwegian recon reservists taking part in NATO exercixe Strong Resolve 2002.

http://home.c2i.net/khamang/sr2002/rep23.jpg

Raistlin
09-14-2005, 02:34 PM
http://s95018925.onlinehome.us/palsar500-5.jpg

DieHardLMB
09-14-2005, 06:06 PM
Nee, in wales en Engeland militaire ervaring gehad. Nu terug in NL voor HBO Verpleegkundige. Jij van plan/ben je in de miliary?

eingelijk, heb ik net een vooropleiding gedan, en ik beging 17 oktobermet de echte leger, luchtmobiele brigade te arnhem

twominds
09-16-2005, 01:10 PM
Have no idea what they carry but it looks big and heavy

http://img97.exs.cx/img97/8756/apt1.jpg

Took the picture of the norwegian special forces topic.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31203&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Does somebody have more pictures of a norona recon pack in use?
(Doesn't have to be a SF-guy) :D
Thanks

On the pic of the coastal rangers, cause that is what they are, they are carrying a modified version of the hellfire missile that is designed to be fired from a portable platform. It is used against shipping. With the actual missile, firing system and the platform for the missile, that team sure has to carry a lot of weight.

Very interested in info on the recon pack myself.. maybe marcus can help us out? or any other current serving member of our forces?

twominds
09-16-2005, 01:12 PM
just to be specific before someone corrects me, these are not rangers but students at the officer candidate school that eventually became officers in the coastal rangers. thus the lettering on the boat that is Befalsskolen for KystArtilleriet or OCS coastal artillery in english.

Marsuitor
09-16-2005, 01:22 PM
Does somebody have more pictures of a norona recon pack in use?
(Doesn't have to be a SF-guy) :D
Thanks
http://i.pbase.com/v3/76/574376/3/49331225.norrona.jpg
Hi Res:
http://i.pbase.com/v3/76/574376/1/49331225.norrona.jpg

twominds
09-16-2005, 01:29 PM
so how is that ruck compared to whatever else you might have used over the years? know where you can get a hold of one used or from military stocks?

RGRBOX
09-16-2005, 03:25 PM
Does somebody have more pictures of a norona recon pack in use?
(Doesn't have to be a SF-guy) :D
Thanks
http://i.pbase.com/v3/76/574376/3/49331225.norrona.jpg
Hi Res:
http://i.pbase.com/v3/76/574376/1/49331225.norrona.jpg

That's a great looking ruck, I will soon be the Swiss Distributor for Norrona... I just got there catalogs today, and next week I get to see their intire line... Looks damn good in Norge camo too..

Supa
09-16-2005, 06:43 PM
not the clearest of pics by any means but here's 45 commando marching across the falkland islands in '82 in one of the worst winters for a long time

http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/images/rmyomp.jpg

RP
09-16-2005, 06:57 PM
Some IDF:
(credits to Yoni20 from www.tapuz.co.il forums)
http://img2.tapuz.co.il/forums/51501806.jpg
http://img2.tapuz.co.il/forums/51453548.jpg

OldRecon
09-16-2005, 07:16 PM
Speaking of backpackers.
No military hardman with a big load on his back will ever impress me as much as these Nepalese porters (though some Indian tribespeople in the South American highlands reputedly are capable om similar feats).

http://www.scidev.net/scidev_images/NepalPorter2(240x480).jpg

Nepalese porters are 'world's most efficient carriers'
T. V. Padma
17 June 2005
Source: SciDev.Net

[NEW DELHI] The method Nepalese porters use to carry nearly double their own weight — by strapping loads to their head, walking slowly for many hours and taking frequent rests — is most efficient in the world, say scientists.

The porters can carry up to 20 per cent of their weight 'for free', using no more energy than if they were carrying nothing.

The researchers, led by Norman Heglund of the Louvain Catholic University, Belgium, calculated the energy efficiency of eight Nepalese porters who regularly walk from the capital, Kathmandu, to a market town near Mount Everest.

The distance of the weeklong journey is 100 kilometres, with total ascents of 8,000 metres and descents of 6,300 metres.

Heglund says the Nepalese porters — male and female — carry heavier loads more efficiently than African women, previously thought to have the most efficient carrying method.

Previously, Heglund and colleagues showed that Kenyan women could carry head-supported loads of up to 60 per cent of their body weight far more efficiently than army recruits carrying similar loads in backpacks.

The new findings, published today in Science, show that the Nepalese porters carry loads that are, on average, one-third heavier than the heaviest loads that African women carry using the same amount of energy.



Nepalese porters use a head strap (locally called a namlo) to support a basket (doko) containing a load that can be nearly twice their body weight. They also use a T-shaped stick (tokma) to support the load while taking rests.

Heglund told SciDev.Net that the porters spent only half the energy that European trekkers carrying backpacks used when either carried more than half (60 per cent) of their body weight.

The eight porters were selected from a stream of porters regularly going up and down the steep Himalayan mountain route.

They were asked to walk a 51-metre long flat track at five different speeds, carrying six or seven loads according to their ability. The researchers measured the amount of oxygen they used and how much carbon dioxide they exhaled.

The team wasn't able to say whether the porters are able to reduce the work their muscles do to carry the loads, or if they increase their overall efficiency.

Heglund points out that professional porters and load carriers around the world carry loads on their heads. Porters in the Andes mountain range of South America and workers in construction sites across India use it as well.

Despite the porters seeming efficiency — Heglund, for example, saw a 68-year-old porter carry loads heavier than himself — they face several health risks during their arduous treks, whether in the Himalayas, the Inca Trail in Peru or Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania.

International charities such as the UK-based International Porters Protection Group (IPPG) and Tourism Concern conduct campaigns to raise awareness of the problems, because many porters take part in tourists' trekking expeditions. The problems include risks of slipping and injuries, frostbite, and altitude sickness.


“Unfortunately, while we agree that many porters do perform some pretty amazing feats of strength, there are also porters injured, maimed or losing their lives each year due to the accumulative physical stresses placed upon their bodies,” says Elsie James, a Canada-based member of IPPG.

The Nepal chapter of the UK-based Intermediate Technology Development Group (ITDG), which helps people use appropriate technologies to fight poverty, says its future plans include studies on socio-economic aspects of heavy load transport by porters in the Himalayas.

So far ITDG in Nepal has been working on alternate means of transporting goods such as wire bridges to cross rivers, Anil Subedi, director of ITDG in Nepal, told SciDev.Net.

Other means of transporting goods in mountain regions include mules, the jhopa — a local cross-breed between the yak and mountain cattle — sheep and goats.

Link to full paper in Science

Reference: Science 308, 1755 (2005)

http://www.scidev.net/News/index.cfm?fuseaction=readNews&itemid=2164&language=1

Thor
09-16-2005, 07:24 PM
Sherpas? Yeah, now we're back on track.. p-)

Not so great distance you might think, but the height makes it a real effort

And I've head of those tribes in South America as well.. They are reputedly very fast walkers.

khukuri
09-16-2005, 07:41 PM
biggest mistake of my life trying too keep pace with a sherpa with no load

OldRecon
09-16-2005, 07:55 PM
Sherpas? Yeah, now we're back on track.. p-)

Not so great distance you might think, but the height makes it a real effort

And I've head of those tribes in South America as well.. They are reputedly very fast walkers.

Unfortunately there's a backside to their amazing capabilities, in that quite a lot of these porters don't reach old age and frequency of injuries among them are high.

Think I read somewhere something written by a former Ghurka officer, that a background as a shepherd's boy would be more advantageous for any potential applicant to the Ghurka regiment than background as a porter, as applicants with background as porters were more susceptible to suffer from malnutrition than applicants with background as shepherds.

As a comparison many elite soldiers used to carry heavy loads, despite surviving combat, still often enjoy a shorter life expectancy than what's the norm for the rest of the population among whom they live.
Similarly many elite athletes also enjoy a shorter life expectancy than the norm.

Thor
09-21-2005, 09:00 PM
Ok, great respect for these guys

That region and Everest in particular have always fascinated me.

khukuri
09-22-2005, 10:09 AM
Sherpas? Yeah, now we're back on track.. p-)

Not so great distance you might think, but the height makes it a real effort

And I've head of those tribes in South America as well.. They are reputedly very fast walkers.

Unfortunately there's a backside to their amazing capabilities, in that quite a lot of these porters don't reach old age and frequency of injuries among them are high.

Think I read somewhere something written by a former Ghurka officer, that a background as a shepherd's boy would be more advantageous for any potential applicant to the Ghurka regiment than background as a porter, as applicants with background as porters were more susceptible to suffer from malnutrition than applicants with background as shepherds.

As a comparison many elite soldiers used to carry heavy loads, despite surviving combat, still often enjoy a shorter life expectancy than what's the norm for the rest of the population among whom they live.
Similarly many elite athletes also enjoy a shorter life expectancy than the norm.

true... also the way they carry theyre stuff injures them aswell. Sence the head takes the majority of the load they can get "nerve" damages and get blind. Atleast so I was told by someone who rather carried a normal backpack.

catalyst
09-22-2005, 10:36 AM
imagine the human population as a bell curve graph. Those at the extreme ends are the worst for injuries and illness.

If you want to be in the prime health range for not getting a injury or a illness...you should be from the +70-85 range.

My bro is a high level national athlete and also and holder of a human movement/science degree....i took his word for it...

RGRBOX
09-22-2005, 03:13 PM
I get to see the whole line of Norrona Military packs tomorrow morning...

Over...

kayaker
09-23-2005, 02:45 AM
I found the whole Bergaus Vulcan range rahter impressive.

finnjävel
09-23-2005, 08:13 AM
I'm new here, so I might as well contribute my first post in this thread.
Reconnassaince Surveillance and Target Aquisition I/05 Tieslu p-)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Uttercreep/rinkka1.jpg

Solo
09-23-2005, 09:04 AM
Let me be the first one to welcome you to the forum ;)

MARINO
09-23-2005, 09:10 AM
nice pics

ranger75bn
09-23-2005, 09:40 AM
Let me be the first one to welcome you to the forum ;)


and me the second... ;)

RGRBOX
09-23-2005, 09:52 AM
Welcome aboard and good luck... I just got my hands on the Norrona Recon Patrol 125. Which model is the one you see in the pics of the Norwegen SF??

OldRecon
09-23-2005, 10:09 AM
Welcome aboard and good luck... I just got my hands on the Norrona Recon Patrol 125. Which model is the one you see in the pics of the Norwegen SF??
That depend on which pics you refer to.
Those that jump with parachutes I think use the anatomic frame para model.
The LRRPs, infantry battalion jaeger plts., arty jaegers etc. that don't chute use the frame Recon Patrol 125.
Though I was somewhat surprised to see that the bag of the ruck in some of the pics from Marcus was made of cammo couloured cloth.
The one originaly issued was of mono coloured green in a somewhat light hue/shade.

RGRBOX
09-23-2005, 02:00 PM
Welcome aboard and good luck... I just got my hands on the Norrona Recon Patrol 125. Which model is the one you see in the pics of the Norwegen SF??
That depend on which pics you refer to.
Those that jump with parachutes I think use the anatomic frame para model.
The LRRPs, infantry battalion jaeger plts., arty jaegers etc. that don't chute use the frame Recon Patrol 125.
Though I was somewhat surprised to see that the bag of the ruck in some of the pics from Marcus was made of cammo couloured cloth.
The one originaly issued was of mono coloured green in a somewhat light hue/shade.
Thanks for the info Old recon... I will be selling the entire military models thru my shop and web site.

Solo
09-23-2005, 02:04 PM
Mike,
you have a tactical shop? Do you sell internationally, too? Might be interested in a few items.

Would you post your link or send it via PM, please? Just the way you like it better.

Thanks ;)

Digital Marine
09-23-2005, 02:06 PM
Solo, let me introduce you to the wonderful world of the WWW button under Mike's posts

http://www.e-pointbreak.com/ p-)

Frens
09-23-2005, 02:08 PM
check his profile ;)

mike, I hope you don't mind if I post the link
http://www.e-pointbreak.com/catalog/

Solo
09-23-2005, 02:08 PM
Solo, let me introduce you to the wonderful world of the WWW button under Mike's posts

http://www.e-pointbreak.com/ p-)

rofl, :oops: thanks mate woot

Digital Marine
09-23-2005, 02:09 PM
no problem




HA! Frens! i beat you to it! p-)

Frens
09-23-2005, 02:10 PM
no problem




HA! Frens! i beat you to it! p-)






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p-)

Solo
09-23-2005, 02:12 PM
^ Ciao Frens mate ;)

RGRBOX
09-23-2005, 02:25 PM
With freinds like those guys who needs enemies... thanks guys.. you beat me to it too.. :D

Frens
09-23-2005, 02:26 PM
Ciao Solo! :D