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NcDeuce
01-19-2004, 03:23 PM
Father and son duo takes on duties serving country in Iraq

By CHANTAL ESCOTO
The Leaf-Chronicle


Being in the action is a burning desire of a local father and son who share more than their names. John Harmsen Sr. and John Harmsen Jr. also want to be together in their cause -- even if it means meeting in a war zone.

Since the younger Harmsen, 25, can remember, he always wanted to fly helicopters. His wish came true as he is a Black Hawk pilot with the 9th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment. But his desire to be part of the action in the Army came from his father, a retired 5th Special Forces Group master sergeant.

"I remember when I was a kid, he would be sitting around talking with his buddies about all the places that they had been. It used to fascinate me. Now he and I can sit around and compare stories," Harmsen Jr. said via e-mail from Iraq.

The elder Harmsen, 48, retired from 5th Group in July 2000, but following the 9-11 attacks, he wanted to return to the Central Asian and Middle Eastern region he knows so well.

"I felt like we didn't finish the job in the last (Gulf War), and since we didn't do the job then, it was to fall on our children and grandchildren," Harmsen Sr. said last week. "I just felt obligated to be over there when all that happened."

So, he decided to take a job with a civilian contractor that provides security in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq. Harmsen Sr. arrived in Iraq two months before his son was deployed to Mosul in June 2003 after graduating from flight school.

"He couldn't stand the thought of Johnny being over there without him," said Katherine Harmsen about her husband meeting up with their son.

Although Harmsen Sr. missed pinning on his son's wings at the Fort Rucker, Ala., flight school graduation, nothing could have made him more proud than to see his son in action in Iraq.

"I felt very proud of John (Jr.). He's wanted to fly since he was 6 years old. And to be able to fly together in Iraq in a combat zone ... to see it come to fruition ... to be a part of that means so much."

One of their most memorable episodes was meeting on Christmas Eve near Baghdad, a day before the younger Harmsen's birthday.

While the senior Harmsen was in Clarksville last week for a short break, he returned to Iraq on Friday and will likely miss his son's homecoming when the 101st Airborne Division returns over the next several weeks.

"I was ready to come to Iraq to help contribute to Operation Iraqi Freedom, but knowing my dad would be here definitely made the deployment easier, sort of like going home to your family," Harmsen Jr. said. "My dad was gone a lot when I was a kid, but I feel like he never really left me. I have always understood and looked up to what he did for this country, and I hope someday my son says the same thing about me."

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John Harmsen Sr. and John Harmsen Jr., 25, a Clarksville father and son, met in Baghdad Dec.15. The younger Harmsen is a Black Hawk pilot assigned to the 9th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment in Iraq, while his father, Harmsen Sr. works with a civilian contractor providing security in Iraq.

woot woot woot

Trident-za
01-19-2004, 03:29 PM
Nice story, but.... man, you need a dose of reality every now and then :roll: I respect your beliefs, and your intentions... but damn, it frustrates me seeing youngsters with no experience glorifying war :( you can put as many "woot" icons as you want here, just send me a PM after you have seen your first dead body.

P.S. Again, I have nothing against you, except your idealism... which isn't a sin, just an irritation to me :)

Trident-za
01-19-2004, 03:34 PM
Check your PM (well, give me a minute or 2 :))

NcDeuce
01-19-2004, 03:34 PM
Okie doke

Vance
01-19-2004, 03:47 PM
I've seen a dead body

Trident-za
01-19-2004, 03:51 PM
Well done! Can I put you in for a medal? :)

Sorry Vance, I'm in a crappy mood. I shouldn't take it out on you :(

Vance
01-19-2004, 03:52 PM
Uhh, I don't care. lol

George W. Bush
01-19-2004, 04:06 PM
There should be some sort of rule against hijacking threads

Red
01-19-2004, 04:09 PM
Nice story, but.... man, you need a dose of reality every now and then :roll: I respect your beliefs, and your intentions... but damn, it frustrates me seeing youngsters with no experience glorifying war :( you can put as many "woot" icons as you want here, just send me a PM after you have seen your first dead body.

P.S. Again, I have nothing against you, except your idealism... which isn't a sin, just an irritation to me :)
i second you on that

Argyll
01-19-2004, 04:37 PM
Just wait till they start taking incoming fire,and have no fooking idea of where it's coming from,and the guys are all over the place,looking for some leadership!
The decision you take may save their lives,or it may cost their lives....welcome to the real world!!

Trident-za
01-19-2004, 04:40 PM
Indeed :)

Vance
01-19-2004, 04:45 PM
Why must you type this way!! It's really annoying!! Okay!!!



p-)

Argyll
01-19-2004, 04:48 PM
Whats annoying?
The harsh facts from BTDT's?
War is nothing to be jumping for joy about,it is bloody and extremely violent,not very nice scraping human remains up with a shovel into bin bags!!

Vance
01-19-2004, 04:49 PM
I'm not talking about that!! I'm talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See look!! This is what I mean!!!

Argyll
01-19-2004, 04:55 PM
the exclamation marks are to make the point stand out more.

Vance
01-19-2004, 04:57 PM
the exclamation marks are to make the point stand out more.
All you need is bold

Argyll
01-19-2004, 04:59 PM
Yeah but I'd end up putting in the exclamations as well that's why I don't bother!

Roger Rabbit
01-19-2004, 06:02 PM
I'm reading a rather good book by a guy named Philip Caputo. Anyway he was a Officer in the USMC and went to Vietnam in 1965. Book is called "A Rumor of War." Anyway i'd like to add something he said.

Wilfred Owen wrote "All the poet can do today is warn." Colby and the other platoon Sergeants were certainly not poets, but that is what they had been trying to do the night before-warn me, warn all of us. They had already been where we were going, to that frontier between life and death, but none of us wanted to listen to them. So i guess every generation is doomed to fight its war, to endure the same experiences, suffer the loss of the same old illusions, and learn the same old lessons on its own.

WARPIG
01-20-2004, 12:08 PM
Nice story, but.... man, you need a dose of reality every now and then :roll: I respect your beliefs, and your intentions... but damn, it frustrates me seeing youngsters with no experience glorifying war :( you can put as many "woot" icons as you want here, just send me a PM after you have seen your first dead body.

P.S. Again, I have nothing against you, except your idealism... which isn't a sin, just an irritation to me :)
Just a little psycho eval from Dr. Warpigstein.
Don’t be too harsh on the young whelp. He has a measure of pride in his father’s path in life. Yes it is a little annoying, sometimes his passion for the trade is misplaced and out of context. I do however know where he is coming from. Maybe some of you recall some of my history in the military and why I chose to serve. My grandfather was an Army NCO as well as my father. My call to service came as a way to repay the sacrifice that veterans from my forefathers generations paid. His fervor for all things Army is likely to come from a same feeling of “calling.” His aspirations to service in a field like his father’s is not unlike any other son’s. The son of a sports star or a businessman often exhibit the same passion for the trade as our giddy friend here. Take his seeming zest for combat with a little grain of salt. I doubt that TF160SOAR yearns for battle because he wishes to kill someone or anything so morbid or violent. I think it is more that he wants to be “tested” as his father was tested, and all of the vet’s who fought for a country that he loves.

Well.. time is up.
Remember to pay the receptionist on the way out.

Argyll
01-20-2004, 12:45 PM
very true WARPIG but you should not be in any rush to go to a war,whatever the motives!!
There are way too many young guns here who think about going to a foreign land and to kick ass,sadly some of those will return in a casket,and they fail to see the harsh realities of combat,the good guys don't always survive!!

Ichhabe
01-20-2004, 01:35 PM
The Romans knew this 2000 years ago. As a Commander you were adviced to go out among your troops to check out the morale on the eve before battle. But the Roman book said: Do not ask the new recruits. They havent tasted battle and long for it... Bla bla bla.

Quite interesting that psycholgy was used back then, and in such good way. :)

WARPIG
01-20-2004, 03:22 PM
very true WARPIG but you should not be in any rush to go to a war,whatever the motives!!
There are way too many young guns here who think about going to a foreign land and to kick ass,sadly some of those will return in a casket,and they fail to see the harsh realities of combat,the good guys don't always survive!!

Most people know that. Even the young guns who talk tuff don't really want war. When war is going on and their family, friends, and piers are out there in harms way... it is like sitting the bench when your team is playing the big game to them. I am not trying to compare war to sports.
But when your buddies are out there putting it all on the line... soldiers naturally want to be doing their part. Infantrymen are trained to kill. We tell them daily that when it comes time.. they must do it.. and do it well. Telling them not to have pride in what they do is ridiculous. Loving what you do and loving war is not the same. Warriors have always been proud of what they are... even if they loath what they must do.
Young or new warriors only have the pride and emotion to base that existance on.. older or experienced warriors also have the scars and sacrifice to remember. We do not serve for love of war... we serve for the love of our service.... to each other.. to our country.. to our history.

Looking at this forum.. it is quite odd how many people really don't get that.

Argyll
01-20-2004, 03:32 PM
Amen to that brother!

To this day I'd still lay my life on the line for my brothers in Arms,it's something that gives me my sense of pride today.Once a soldier always a soldier!