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Sayeret
08-24-2005, 12:12 AM
Add anything I forgot.

digrar
08-24-2005, 12:19 AM
Track. And the ability to defecate on command, so you can fling it. No one wants to fight someone who is willing to **** his pants and then throw it at you.

MKtexan
08-24-2005, 12:37 AM
personaly i would knock that person out before they could reach in hteir pants and fling the crap at me :lol:

Flagg
08-24-2005, 01:58 AM
Track. And the ability to defecate on command, so you can fling it. No one wants to fight someone who is willing to **** his pants and then throw it at you.

I agree...I'd go with the flinging poo( or any other available blinding agent) and running in the opposite direction

Sayeret
08-24-2005, 02:38 AM
Track. And the ability to defecate on command, so you can fling it. No one wants to fight someone who is willing to **** his pants and then throw it at you.

I agree...I'd go with the flinging poo( or any other available blinding agent) and running in the opposite direction

heh ;)

Asheren
08-24-2005, 06:08 AM
That depends what is allowed in your country.

I dont think that throwing s..t will stop angry dres(polish subculture, very agressiv ppl, named after the sport clothes they wear) because they got mostly s..t in their heads.

I am currently training techniki interwencyjne (techniques of intervention). It's a mix of techniques from various martial arts(combat, judo and others) taught to bodyguards, police and security staff. Its main purpose is to disarm, disable and transport without causing any serious injures. Very usefull in countries with such harsh self-defense law like poland.

<Gypsum Fantastic>
08-24-2005, 06:26 AM
**** martial arts. If someone attacks you in the street gouge their eyes out or rip their balls off.

Catch22
08-24-2005, 06:47 AM
Well, thats like...Your opinion man. :)

I'd like to see "I-fling-poo" (it even sounds right for a Martial Art name) used in combat. Yet it has to happen ;)

But seriously -Id say MMA/Combatives as a possibly most effective in causing harm, but - as Asheren reasonably added sometimes causing real harm is a no go. So don't act too automatically.

Why you have differed Fairbairn system from other Military Combatives, may I ask?

wiking
08-24-2005, 09:23 AM
First, what's the Fairbairn system?


I'd go for guns, it's quick, easy (but messy p-) ) and you dont have to close on your assailant and attack him in person.

But it all comes down to flight or fight, if i was attacked in my home and had a gun, i'd shoot, if i was attacked and had a knife i'd stab, if i was unarmed i'd hit, kick, bite, scratch and scream, and if there were to many or they were to big, i'd run. Survival instinct, thats what it comes down to.

Sayeret
08-24-2005, 12:51 PM
Well, thats like...Your opinion man. :)

I'd like to see "I-fling-poo" (it even sounds right for a Martial Art name) used in combat. Yet it has to happen ;)

But seriously -Id say MMA/Combatives as a possibly most effective in causing harm, but - as Asheren reasonably added sometimes causing real harm is a no go. So don't act too automatically.

Why you have differed Fairbairn system from other Military Combatives, may I ask?

William Ewart Fairbairn (1885-1960) was a police officer, soldier, and expert in hand-to-hand combat, which he taught to the Shanghai police and allied special forces during World War II. He was also a black belt in Jujitsu, Judo, several other martials arts. So he put together the most effective methods (which he learned from street experience and talking to people who had been in street fights) from each system to make his self-defense system.

Here are some of this techniques:

http://www.vrazvedka.ru/main/learning/ruk-b/fairbairn-01.shtml

foxtrot023
08-24-2005, 01:03 PM
Add anything I forgot.

Tae Kwon do is not a martial art, it is a sport. Replace with Hapkido

mudbunny
08-24-2005, 01:50 PM
A sharp mind combined with a small ego. Any person who has trained in Far East martial arts will tell you that the last option you want is to employ your skills. If that doesn't work then it's your opponents ass!

chauncy republicans
08-24-2005, 02:15 PM
f*** martial arts. If someone attacks you in the street gouge their eyes out or rip their balls off.
I was taught how to effectively do both in martial arts class... ;)

foxtrot023
08-24-2005, 04:36 PM
A sharp mind combined with a small ego. Any person who has trained in Far East martial arts will tell you that the last option you want is to employ your skills. If that doesn't work then it's your opponents ass!

matter of fact, knowing martial arts does not make you into Rambo. Anyone can go down if someone hits them in the nutsack, but martial arts will teach you how to reach, and how and were to strike to cause maximum damage.

mudbunny
08-24-2005, 05:43 PM
matter of fact, knowing martial arts does not make you into Rambo. Anyone can go down if someone hits them in the nutsack, but martial arts will teach you how to reach, and how and were to strike to cause maximum damage.

Agreed, by a "sharp mind" I just meant the ability to diffuse and ease up a situation instead of flying right into fistacuffs. One of the best martial artists I ever met was a small Japanese man who could rip your throught out before your cigarette hit the ground but would have even the most ardent hard-ass laughing his ass off and therefor unwilling to fight. The man was REAL good.

Sayeret
08-24-2005, 06:33 PM
Add anything I forgot.

Tae Kwon do is not a martial art, it is a sport. Replace with Hapkido

TKD is a martial art although many schools that teach it and Karate are very commercialized now, it was originally meant to be a martial arts and is still considered one by many people.

Taekwondo is a modern martial art, characterized by it's fast, high and spinning kicks. There are multiple interpretations of the name taekwondo. Taekwondo is often translated as 'the way of hand and foot'. The General definition of the name Taekwondo is:
Tae='to Strike or Block with the Foot' or 'to Kick', it also means 'Jump'
Kwon='Fist', 'to strike or block with hand'
Do='The way of' or 'Art'.
In Other words Taekwondo means: "The art of Kicking and Punching" or "The art of unarmed combat". The sport has been founded in Korea and is one of the popular modern martial arts.
Taekwondo is a way of life, and one that helps the individual to complete the self, or one's personality. Through the course of training, one can pursue self-control and patience. The cultivation of perseverance marks the level to which one has arrived. In this way, a weak person is transformed into a person of strength who understands the magnanimity of tolerance and the modesty of humility. The mentality of Taekwondo is that the mind must be one with the body.

The discipline of Taekwondo is designed to make the student non-violent; to make his/her life more meaningful. The essence of the art of Tae Kwon Do rests in the integrity of the practitioner. Therefore, the first technique taught in the training academy is the BOW (kaneieh) of respect by which the individual attests to the trust in their instructor and in their fellow students

The human body is formed in such a way, that it can be used as a powerful weapon. The articulating joints and limbs of the human form allows the individual to use them as a way to attack an opponent or an enemy. However, the practical application of Taekwondo is for self-defense using the body as a weapon for a defense a kind of shield.

Taekwondo emphasizes the use of its techniques for defensive purposes. It is an action philosophy whose foundation is based on instinct. This instinct is the passive pole of a bipolar system, where the active pole is reason. Subsequently, from this passive pole comes the active movement necessary for the action of defense. Moreover, any movement grows into a momentary defense which simultaneously transforms into an attack against any aggressor, coming to completion in a decisive result.

Ultimately, this result will bring about the steps necessary to achieve the deep training which will elevate the individual to a level of mastery, and the relative conquest of this valued condition can be attained. The sharpening of one's instincts through training is an essential factor in the philosophy of Taekwondo. In addition, the human fighting instinct plays a vital role in sports. Although reason is as essential as instinct in the philosophy of Taekwondo, instinct is the fundamental source from which all actions arise.

http://www.fightauthority.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=33

Sayeret
08-24-2005, 06:57 PM
A sharp mind combined with a small ego. Any person who has trained in Far East martial arts will tell you that the last option you want is to employ your skills. If that doesn't work then it's your opponents ass!

matter of fact, knowing martial arts does not make you into Rambo. Anyone can go down if someone hits them in the nutsack, but martial arts will teach you how to reach, and how and were to strike to cause maximum damage.

That's not always true when your drunk or on certain drugs or even sometimes when your adrenalin is going pumping you ignore the pain. I’ve heard from many people who on the streets aim for a knee shots as compared to groin shots because they maybe fighting someone who’s on something.

Also most experienced fighters or martial artists know well enough to protect their groins.

James
08-25-2005, 01:29 AM
Common sense and situational awareness.

wiking
08-25-2005, 04:48 AM
Well, thats like...Your opinion man. :)

I'd like to see "I-fling-poo" (it even sounds right for a Martial Art name) used in combat. Yet it has to happen ;)

But seriously -Id say MMA/Combatives as a possibly most effective in causing harm, but - as Asheren reasonably added sometimes causing real harm is a no go. So don't act too automatically.

Why you have differed Fairbairn system from other Military Combatives, may I ask?

William Ewart Fairbairn (1885-1960) was a police officer, soldier, and expert in hand-to-hand combat, which he taught to the Shanghai police and allied special forces during World War II. He was also a black belt in Jujitsu, Judo, several other martials arts. So he put together the most effective methods (which he learned from street experience and talking to people who had been in street fights) from each system to make his self-defense system.

Here are some of this techniques:

http://www.vrazvedka.ru/main/learning/ruk-b/fairbairn-01.shtml

Thanks for the link, had a look. Very interesting read (and allso rather sick and revolting).

Especially the schematic over where to stab or cut a person to kill them, with estimates of time to loose consciousnes and when they'd bleed to death from loss of blood. Very......educational. p-)

Asheren
08-25-2005, 05:28 AM
That's not always true when your drunk or on certain drugs or even sometimes when your adrenalin is going pumping you ignore the pain. I’ve heard from many people who on the streets aim for a knee shots as compared to groin shots because they maybe fighting someone who’s on something.

Also most experienced fighters or martial artists know well enough to protect their groins.

In my country most of guys aim for nose. Some ppl say that you are not a real fighter if your nose wasn't broken. When i was training combat version of Kung-fu one of the first things we were taugh was how to protect knees.

wiking
08-25-2005, 06:39 AM
That's not always true when your drunk or on certain drugs or even sometimes when your adrenalin is going pumping you ignore the pain. I’ve heard from many people who on the streets aim for a knee shots as compared to groin shots because they maybe fighting someone who’s on something.

Also most experienced fighters or martial artists know well enough to protect their groins.

In my country most of guys aim for nose. Some ppl say that you are not a real fighter if your nose wasn't broken. When i was training combat version of Kung-fu one of the first things we were taugh was how to protect knees.

A mate told me that one of the first things they were taught when him and another one started karate or some other martial arts training was to bend their knees, since the knee cap can resist something like 10 times the force when it's bent than when it's straight (or something along those lines.)

RGRBOX
08-25-2005, 01:32 PM
Krav Maga...

Hot Lips
08-25-2005, 10:25 PM
Track. And the ability to defecate on command, so you can fling it. No one wants to fight someone who is willing to **** his pants and then throw it at you.

I agree...I'd go with the flinging poo( or any other available blinding agent) and running in the opposite direction

OMG This is my first time in this forum and I thought I was going to read something really useful. I was all set to learn how to defend myself.

Remind me never to pick a fight with you guys! p-)

digrar
08-25-2005, 11:21 PM
It's a legitimate tactic, not a very nice one, but it's better than getting your head caved in.

Hot Lips
08-25-2005, 11:55 PM
Honestly? I've never heard that before. I thought you were kidding. The armed forces teaches people this?

(1st) You'd have to loosen the waist of your pants otherwise your not gonna get enough to be worth (2nd) having one hand behind you and be in an awkward position. Doing both or even just the 2nd would leave you, IMHO, vulnerable just long enough to the other guy to do some serious damage to you...... like MKtexan said.

I always figured if faced with bodily harm and no weapon at hand I'd run or go right for their eyes with everything I've got. Still ---- I'm more inclinded to go for someones eyes that my own booty.

I wish I would have taken a martial arts class at some point. I had a breif lesson at work once.

This is some of what I remember.....

1] run run run
2] thumbs in theirs eyes if you are close enough and your arms are free
3a] if you are facing them and they have you in a bear hug, bite their nose or lips like you want to rip them off their face
3b] If they have you in a bear hug from behind, hold onto their forearms and pull both of your feet off the ground and run your heels as hard as possible down their shins and bring the full weight of your body down on their feet. You'll break many of the small bones in their feet doing this.
4] If cornered forget kicking them in the balls.... they'll likely just grab your leg before you complete the task and make you fall. Instead, charge them like a football linebacker and go for their balls with both hands and tug and squeeze as hard as you can for as long as you can.
5] If they reach towards you from the front, grab their hand with your opposite hand (like you would if you were shaking their hand to greet them) then use their forward momentum to pull them forward as you use your free hand to ram as hard as possible into the back of their elbow while their arm is fully extended to dislocate their elbow.

And yelling "FIRE" is to accompany all of the above cause no one responds to HELP or RAPE. Go figure.

digrar
08-26-2005, 12:00 AM
They all sound good and a lot less messy.
I read the ****ting in your pants and flinging it tactic in Penthouse a decade or so ago. It was one of the serious articles with some self defence guru.
I get by on being a huge unit, people tend to look for trouble else where, which is handy because I'm a lover not a fighter. :P

Hot Lips
08-26-2005, 12:04 AM
My uncle was in the Navy and loves to tell us stories about his buddy that was rather short. Seems they were in a bar and some guys were picking on his buddy. So his buddy asked the aggitator if he wanted to remove his glasses before he (my Uncles short buddy) kicked his ass. The aggitator just laughed. My Uncle said before he finished laughing his buddy jumped, spun, and whacked this guy in the face with his foot so fast no one saw it coming.... least of all the laughing smart ass. That wasn't laughing anymore.

If I was a guy, I'd want to be able to do that in a tight spot.

OK, I'd like to do it anyway.

digrar
08-26-2005, 12:14 AM
And in high heals charlies angels style?

Hot Lips
08-26-2005, 12:41 AM
Of course! :P

oldsoak
08-26-2005, 10:10 AM
Best thing is learning to read situations and leg it if it looks like getting hairy.
So what if you leave your beer behind. Beats being the late head ninja .

Jack Mehoff
08-26-2005, 12:58 PM
-Firearm training
-Martial arts training (Jujitsu, Krav Maga, Mui Thai, Boxing, knife fighting)
-Common sense
-A display of confidence by the way you walk and body posture deters bad guys from beating you up
-Swing dancing

Para
08-27-2005, 04:53 PM
There was a Chinese President who once said, when you have them by the balls their heart mind follows.

IronCross1985
08-28-2005, 12:55 PM
nothing beats experience..the more times you have to defend yourself..the better you get at it.

RGRBOX
08-28-2005, 02:34 PM
nothing beats experience..the more times you have to defend yourself..the better you get at it.

This is true, that's why I find Krav Maga so good... you train alot, and you have some real kick ass fights against your instructors and other without gloves, masks, etc... except a cup... at the end your face and body is fvcked, but you get to experience a good % of what happens...

Jack Mehoff
08-28-2005, 07:43 PM
nothing beats experience..the more times you have to defend yourself..the better you get at it.

This is true, that's why I find Krav Maga so good... you train alot, and you have some real kick ass fights against your instructors and other without gloves, masks, etc... except a cup... at the end your face and body is fvcked, but you get to experience a good % of what happens...
I hope they have good medical coverage. It does you more harm than good if you can't train for 4 months because of a broken jaw or ribs. These are 3 essential things you need in sparring: gloves, mouth piece and cup.

Just my 2 cents

mudbunny
08-28-2005, 09:44 PM
This is true, that's why I find Krav Maga so good... you train alot, and you have some real kick ass fights against your instructors and other without gloves, masks, etc... except a cup... at the end your face and body is fvcked, but you get to experience a good % of what happens...

What is this Krav Maga?

Sayeret
08-28-2005, 11:01 PM
This is true, that's why I find Krav Maga so good... you train alot, and you have some real kick ass fights against your instructors and other without gloves, masks, etc... except a cup... at the end your face and body is fvcked, but you get to experience a good % of what happens...

What is this Krav Maga?

Krav Maga (http://fightauthority.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=24)

RGRBOX
08-29-2005, 03:20 AM
nothing beats experience..the more times you have to defend yourself..the better you get at it.

This is true, that's why I find Krav Maga so good... you train alot, and you have some real kick ass fights against your instructors and other without gloves, masks, etc... except a cup... at the end your face and body is fvcked, but you get to experience a good % of what happens...
I hope they have good medical coverage. It does you more harm than good if you can't train for 4 months because of a broken jaw or ribs. These are 3 essential things you need in sparring: gloves, mouth piece and cup.

Just my 2 cents
I agree. But then again the guys sparring aren't putting 100% into the punches, but you still get the **** smack out of you...

foxtrot023
08-29-2005, 03:23 PM
Add anything I forgot.

Tae Kwon do is not a martial art, it is a sport. Replace with Hapkido

TKD is a martial art although many schools that teach it and Karate are very commercialized now, it was originally meant to be a martial arts and is still considered one by many people.

Taekwondo is a modern martial art, characterized by it's fast, high and spinning kicks. There are multiple interpretations of the name taekwondo. Taekwondo is often translated as 'the way of hand and foot'. The General definition of the name Taekwondo is:
Tae='to Strike or Block with the Foot' or 'to Kick', it also means 'Jump'
Kwon='Fist', 'to strike or block with hand'
Do='The way of' or 'Art'.
In Other words Taekwondo means: "The art of Kicking and Punching" or "The art of unarmed combat". The sport has been founded in Korea and is one of the popular modern martial arts.
Taekwondo is a way of life, and one that helps the individual to complete the self, or one's personality. Through the course of training, one can pursue self-control and patience. The cultivation of perseverance marks the level to which one has arrived. In this way, a weak person is transformed into a person of strength who understands the magnanimity of tolerance and the modesty of humility. The mentality of Taekwondo is that the mind must be one with the body.

The discipline of Taekwondo is designed to make the student non-violent; to make his/her life more meaningful. The essence of the art of Tae Kwon Do rests in the integrity of the practitioner. Therefore, the first technique taught in the training academy is the BOW (kaneieh) of respect by which the individual attests to the trust in their instructor and in their fellow students

The human body is formed in such a way, that it can be used as a powerful weapon. The articulating joints and limbs of the human form allows the individual to use them as a way to attack an opponent or an enemy. However, the practical application of Taekwondo is for self-defense using the body as a weapon for a defense a kind of shield.

Taekwondo emphasizes the use of its techniques for defensive purposes. It is an action philosophy whose foundation is based on instinct. This instinct is the passive pole of a bipolar system, where the active pole is reason. Subsequently, from this passive pole comes the active movement necessary for the action of defense. Moreover, any movement grows into a momentary defense which simultaneously transforms into an attack against any aggressor, coming to completion in a decisive result.

Ultimately, this result will bring about the steps necessary to achieve the deep training which will elevate the individual to a level of mastery, and the relative conquest of this valued condition can be attained. The sharpening of one's instincts through training is an essential factor in the philosophy of Taekwondo. In addition, the human fighting instinct plays a vital role in sports. Although reason is as essential as instinct in the philosophy of Taekwondo, instinct is the fundamental source from which all actions arise.

http://www.fightauthority.com/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=33
According to the IOC, Tae Kwon do is a sport. For us in Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do is a girly sport ;)

foxtrot023
08-29-2005, 03:26 PM
A sharp mind combined with a small ego. Any person who has trained in Far East martial arts will tell you that the last option you want is to employ your skills. If that doesn't work then it's your opponents ass!

matter of fact, knowing martial arts does not make you into Rambo. Anyone can go down if someone hits them in the nutsack, but martial arts will teach you how to reach, and how and were to strike to cause maximum damage.

That's not always true when your drunk or on certain drugs or even sometimes when your adrenalin is going pumping you ignore the pain. I’ve heard from many people who on the streets aim for a knee shots as compared to groin shots because they maybe fighting someone who’s on something.

Also most experienced fighters or martial artists know well enough to protect their groins.

that what just a comment. I knew a guy, a red belt in Hapkido who went down when an arsehole smacked him with a jar to his face (from behind). Basically, anyone can go down when hit on the solar phlexus, nutsack, knee joint, neck, etc, etc

Sayeret
08-29-2005, 05:24 PM
A sharp mind combined with a small ego. Any person who has trained in Far East martial arts will tell you that the last option you want is to employ your skills. If that doesn't work then it's your opponents ass!

matter of fact, knowing martial arts does not make you into Rambo. Anyone can go down if someone hits them in the nutsack, but martial arts will teach you how to reach, and how and were to strike to cause maximum damage.

That's not always true when your drunk or on certain drugs or even sometimes when your adrenalin is going pumping you ignore the pain. I’ve heard from many people who on the streets aim for a knee shots as compared to groin shots because they maybe fighting someone who’s on something.

Also most experienced fighters or martial artists know well enough to protect their groins.

that what just a comment. I knew a guy, a red belt in Hapkido who went down when an arsehole smacked him with a jar to his face (from behind). Basically, anyone can go down when hit on the solar phlexus, nutsack, knee joint, neck, etc, etc

Yeah, usually hitting someone in those places will severely hurt them.

supercontra
08-30-2005, 05:29 AM
M16-jutsu

Tielir999
10-03-2005, 03:50 AM
i picked other Wrestling it jsut comes in handy expecially groundfighting the best way to go take em to the ground then beat the crap out of them

Roaming East
10-04-2005, 12:43 AM
I live in the US so i became terribly proficient in handgun combat through repeated trips to the range and my own experimentation on my land. Whatever martial art a would be aggressor chooses to do to me he better be quick as **** and no further than 5 feet because youd piss your pants if you saw how fast a person can train themself to draw out from the hip

Tielir999
10-04-2005, 12:53 AM
i wouldnt use any form of martial arts or fighting techniques on sum1 with a gun u either do what they say or run like hell

wiking
10-04-2005, 10:04 AM
I live in the US so i became terribly proficient in handgun combat through repeated trips to the range and my own experimentation on my land. Whatever martial art a would be aggressor chooses to do to me he better be quick as **** and no further than 5 feet because youd piss your pants if you saw how fast a person can train themself to draw out from the hip

That's the real problem though, with proper training you can master practically any criminal with a knife or his bare hands, but if he's got a gun and you're unarmed then handing over your cash, credit card, watch and car keys and pray he doesn't shoot you is really the best thing to do.

It's a bitch, but it's better than dying.

Laconian
10-04-2005, 11:53 AM
I live in the US so i became terribly proficient in handgun combat through repeated trips to the range and my own experimentation on my land. Whatever martial art a would be aggressor chooses to do to me he better be quick as **** and no further than 5 feet because youd piss your pants if you saw how fast a person can train themself to draw out from the hip

I respectfully disagree. Action always beats reaction. An aggressive, unarmed offender with a plan to do violence to your person can close from probably as far away as 15 feet to striking distance before you can draw from concealment and get off 2 rds. I don't doubt your skill, but look at the time distance studies done by Dr. Darrell Ross. The handgun is not the catch-all for self-defense. It can be, just like any other tactic/technique, both inappropriate and ineffective.

I would recommend a combination of Muay Thai kickboxing, Western boxing, wrestling and juijuitso (or Brazilian JJ). Weapon (either handgun or edged) is the user's choice, of course based on laws in your area.

The will to win though is not as important as the will to train to win to paraphrase Bear Bryant

California Joe
10-04-2005, 12:13 PM
^ What he said. Cops know stuff.

Trident Za can answer all your questions, he just fought a full contact bout 2 weeks ago. He's my hero. p-)

shadower
10-04-2005, 02:10 PM
You forgot Kung Fu and Karate number one and two of all martial arts and Jet Kun Doe is pretty god to.

Doc12
10-04-2005, 02:36 PM
-Verbal Judo
-MMA Muay-Thai/Shooto/BJJ
-Run like hell if someone pulls a knife.

wiking
10-04-2005, 03:16 PM
My reaction if i'm robbed or otherwise assailed by someone, fists, knife or gun.

1. Piss my pants, 2. **** my pants (in any order really, or both at once.....thats a neat trick in'it :oops: )

3. Cry for mommy and beg them to not kill me.

I know i could not win in a fight, i just can't throw a punch or anything like it, i've never been able to. Just cant get any force behind it. It's a shyte situation, i know, and that's why if anyone really brings it up as a serious debate, i'll advocate concealed carry here in Norway. Or atleast rules that approves a firearms permit for self and\or home defence.

Sayeret
10-04-2005, 03:58 PM
You forgot Kung Fu and Karate number one and two of all martial arts and Jet Kun Doe is pretty god to.

Jet Kun Doe is sort of a mixed martial arts. Also Kung Fu consists of several different Martial Arts not just one style called "Kung Fu". I don't consider Karate effective for street fights so I didn't put it on the list.

chauncy republicans
10-04-2005, 09:36 PM
I don't consider Karate effective for street fights so I didn't put it on the list.
Why do'nt you consider it effective Sayeret?

Ogi
10-07-2005, 06:57 PM
Russian systema, and maybe prior to that some kick-box.

Sayeret
10-07-2005, 07:09 PM
I don't consider Karate effective for street fights so I didn't put it on the list.
Why do'nt you consider it effective Sayeret?

I took it for around four years and most of the fights/scuffles during that time I was never able to apply the punches and kicks they taught. You have to be a certain distance away from an opponent for the kicks and punches to be effective and a lot of fights start too close for someone to properly use Karate.

RGRBOX
10-08-2005, 02:36 AM
Chuck Taylor is over here in Switzerland, Sponsered by my company, giving courses in Tactical Shooting for two weeks... I'm too busy to attend any of the courses though.. like sucks..

LtVacan
10-08-2005, 03:46 PM
I would say any and all of the choices (and some others that were suggested) as long as you practice and are willing to use them to defeat your assailant. Mindset is much more important than style. If you aren't willing to do whatever it takes to prevail, you won't.

perdurabo
10-08-2005, 07:00 PM
My reaction if i'm robbed or otherwise assailed by someone, fists, knife or gun.

1. Piss my pants, 2. **** my pants (in any order really, or both at once.....thats a neat trick in'it :oops: )

3. Cry for mommy and beg them to not kill me.

I know i could not win in a fight, i just can't throw a punch or anything like it, i've never been able to. Just cant get any force behind it. It's a shyte situation, i know, and that's why if anyone really brings it up as a serious debate, i'll advocate concealed carry here in Norway. Or atleast rules that approves a firearms permit for self and\or home defence.
just go fore some boxing clases they will teach you this :)
i have the same problem i can't punch anyone until he attacks me :/

Randomrokottaja
10-10-2005, 10:17 AM
Depends on the threat you are facing but:

Recommended skills for self-defence:
-Abilities to talk to the threat and to get your point understod
-Mixed martial-arts with military and law-enforcement addons
-Good skills in instict firearm, knife and baton use
-Tactical sense (you understand the situation and what is happening around you)

Other recommended:
-Self-confident appearing
-Avoid the worst places
-Common sense
-Fast legs

Not recommended:
-Digging deliberately blood from own nose

These at least.

Asheren
10-10-2005, 05:35 PM
-Tactical sense (you understand the situation and what is happening around you)
-Self-confident appearing

Yes this two things allow to avoid many trubles.

MickCollins
10-11-2005, 12:57 AM
If you mean directly for combat, I'd have to go with a knife fighting skill like Fairbain though I doubt many soldiers today would have to rely on hand to hand. I did read about a Special Forces soldier winning an award for killing two insurgents in Iraq in Hand to Hand after his M4 jammed. And he practiced JiuJitsu. I'd think that MMA and JiuJitsu would be good because they teach an attacking mindset and the practice of them involves a lot of rolling/fighting where you get to apply things with strength and speed.

Para
10-11-2005, 06:42 AM
The best self defence is good sprint away from the trouble