Swedish action

[Gauntlet]

I have suspision that they're doing all sorts of things around the world in the dark. Their military seems too advanced and well funded for a "neutral" country.

[mustamato]

Couple of months ago the swedish military released a short note saying, "6 months ago swedish soldiers operating together with french troops in Congo was engaged in battle where enemy soldiers were killed". Or well, enemy militia atleast.

So yeah, the public doesn´t know it all. Since Sweden is a neutral country I´m quite sure that most of these things if they happen are in no way announced to public at all. That announcement about Congo was probably just done because it would have leaked out to the media anyway.

Most of the things the swedish military does out there in the world except for that we know about (peace-keeping and stuff like that) are probably just good old intelligence work. Sweden had some kinds of agents in Iraq in example, and there was some scandal a couple of years ago when the russians accused the swedish military for "stealing russian radar technology". Stuff like that, that all countries do.

[fantassin]

I can confirm that, I have seen the pictures of the swedes under fire during that action; at least three militiamen were KIA.

I have spoken with French SF who were there; they were AMAZED by the quality and quantity of kit those Swedes had; basically, what they want, they get.

[mustamato]

I can confirm that, I have seen the pictures of the swedes under fire during that action; at least three militiamen were KIA.

I have spoken with French SF who were there; they were AMAZED by the quality and quantity of kit those Swedes had; basically, what they want, they get.

So there was some guy taping it or what?

[Jack Mehoff]

Sweden didn't do jack **** even when Hitler rampaged their backyard. So, i doubt Sweden military is actually doing any 'special ops' around the world right now.

[mustamato]

Sweden didn't do jack **** even when Hitler rampaged their backyard. So, i doubt Sweden military is actually doing any 'special ops' around the world right now.

Well, you should read what has been written in this thread a little more carefully. And why not also in some history book about what Sweden did during the second world war. There is usually a difference about what americans think and what is the reality.

[Jack Mehoff]

Even you admit Sweden hasn't been to war for the last 300 years, so your point?

[mustamato]

Even you admit Sweden hasn't been to war for the last 300 years, so your point?

http://koti.mbnet.fi/enforcer/pics/funny/fabulous.jpg

Oh Jack.

1.) War is bad. It´s good to not have been in a war for 300 years. And just as a curiosity there was tens of thousands of swedish volunteers serving abroad during world war, mostly in Finland against the invading Red Army, but also in Waffen-SS and so forth, and do you claim that those guys didn´t see any action?

2.) And the poll is not about that. In example, see fantassins post.

[Jack Mehoff]

Of course war is bad. But bend over for Hitler and take it up the ass is much worst. So much for the viking warrior heritage.

But that's not the point, the point was Sweden was too chicken **** to do anything to Hitler in their own backyard, then what make anyone think Sweden would send their people to dangerous mission half way across the world?

[mustamato]

Of course war is bad. But bend over for Hitler and take it up the ass is much worst. So much for the viking warrior heritage

Bending in which way? Do you have any great examples to share with me?

[fantassin]

So there was some guy taping it or what?

Yes, in the French SF, there are always either video or photo equipment on hand, just in case somebody says abuses were commited or something like that; then they can show the reality of facts.

I saw the US do the same in Afghanistan BTW.

I have seen maybe ten pics of Swedish SF in the Congo so far but none were published on request of Sweden.

[mustamato]

So there was some guy taping it or what?

Yes, in the French SF, there are always either video or photo equipment on hand, just in case somebody says abuses were commited or something like that; then they can show the reality of facts.

I saw the US do the same in Afghanistan BTW.

I have seen maybe ten pics of Swedish SF in the Congo so far but none were published on request of Sweden.

Ok. Well it sure makes for some interesting pictures and movies. Since Sweden is neutral and our politicians are always eager to show of in their best light it´s of course little touchy in our society with killed militiamen ("Sweden shouldn´t be there in the first place"). Personally I think this with SSG in Congo is little SAS-wannabeism and our politians that feels a little bullied by the others and wants to show that even neutral Sweden can do something, but I guess the experiences gained are usefull. But the debate in this country has showed a multitude of opinions, everything from "great!" to "yeah, thanks for making peacefull Sweden a terrorist target".

Anyway they are there as part of a EU force. I think it says little about how it will be in the future. EU will take more responsibility and neutral countries like in example Sweden, Austria and Finland will probably be seen more out in the bush (with conventional forces that is), the swedes in Congo/Liberia and the finns in Eritrea now is for me bit of a warmup phase, adapting equipment and tactics to regions like Africa. I´m not really that interested by seeing those pics of SSG in Congo, I can guess anyway that they use SIG´s, M4´s and whatever and grow beards and stuff and have these fancy tactical vests, hmh.

But I do wonder how long it will take before those pics can be seen in public, 10, 15, 20 years?

[fantassin]

, I can guess anyway that they use SIG´s, M4´s and whatever and grow beards and stuff and have these fancy tactical vests, hmh.


Actually, they have close cropped hair, normal green swedish army uniforms and on most pics they are armed with HK G36. Their is even a pic where it's possible to see a BV226 ambulance, complete with licence plate.

[OnTheRocks]

No chance of posting those pics here? :D

[Rantanplan]

Sweden rocks!

[wholagun]

Although I do have beef with the Swedes for invading us :slap: . But its doen and over with. Anyhow, there is nothing wrong with Sweden. Being peaceful is a good thing. War mongering is the problem, why do you guys think that so much people hate the US now.

[Jack Mehoff]

Although I do have beef with the Swedes for invading us :slap: . But its doen and over with. Anyhow, there is nothing wrong with Sweden. Being peaceful is a good thing. War mongering is the problem, why do you guys think that so much people hate the US now.

Unlike Sweden, if it wasn't for nations with balls and fought Hitler you probably speaking German right now. Remember what Sweden contributed during WW2? A big ZERO.

What about when NK invaded South Korea? What about Japan?

You wish the world is a perfect place where everybody live peacefully together, holding hands and sing kumbaya. I wish that too but i woke up, why can't you?

p.s. United States was an isolationist before WW2 until Pearl Harbor. So much for staying neutral eh?

[fantassin]

Ever heard of Wallenberg? a few thousands jewish survivors would beg to differ than Sweden did nothing during WW2.

From this site:
http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/righteous/bycountry/sweden.html


Wallenberg arrived in Budapest in July 1944, with a list of Jews whom he was to help, and 650 protective passports for Jews who had some connection with Sweden. He was immediately placed at the head of a department in the embassy whose job it was to help Jews only. Upon his arrival, Wallenberg issued 4,500 special documents known as "protective letters". Since Sweden represented seven other countries in Hungary, the protective letter authorized its holder to travel to Sweden or to any of the other countries it represented. Wallenberg arrived in Hungary with a letter from the Swedish king to Hungarian Regent and de-facto ruler Horthy. He maintained contact with Horthy and with others in the Hungarian regime, and was able to exert pressure on them to curtail the most severe forms of the anti-Jewish measures. With the approval of the Swedish ambassador to Budapest, Wallenberg purchased homes, in which he housed the Jews whom he protected. These houses were Swedish territory inside Hungary, and the Jews inside them were better protected. At first, 4,500 Jews were held in them, but the number quickly rose to approximately 20,000. Wallenberg employed approximately 340 people in his office, aside from his aides, to assist him in this vast rescue operation.

[fantassin]

No chance of posting those pics here?

Those pics are embargoed by the French Army photographic unit on request of the Swedish GVT because of the secrecy surrounding SSG and their foreign ops.

Maybe they'll be released for publication latter but I don't know when.

[Jack Mehoff]

You actually use some collective individual and claim that Sweden indeed done something? If most Swedish had done that then i'm not going to say anything but those Swedish people who helped the Jews are in small number.

[fantassin]

I don't really see what a country with a population (in 1940) of 6,4 million (against 70,747 million for Germany at the same time) could have done considering the length of borders it had to defend.

Unlike the USA or even the UK, there was no water between the enemy and them and all the surrounding countries had been invaded or were allied with Germany.

[duck]

The V2 missile would never have flown without swedish companies eager to supply parts. And swedish iron ore kept the Nazi arms industry running.

[fantassin]

Don't even go there or next I'll be telling you of the support US banks gave to Franco's Fascist regime in Spain and Hitler's Nazi regime in Germany.

Business knows no rule, whatever the country. The only rule is profit.

BTW, I am not interested in a long winded debate on "what if" and "they should have".

As a reminder, the USA only entered WW1 in 1917 after debating whether they'd join the German side and WW2 in 1941 only after having been attacked and two years after the initial attack against Poland.

Not exactly a model of proactive action by any standard.

[Jack Mehoff]

Well, hello. I didn't know Germany attacked USA. I thought it was the Japanese did the damage in Pearl Harbor. We went to war against Nazis Germany via Japan :roll:

[gorg]

wehoo, look it's the third forum thread about Sweden since an israeli ambassador destroyed another israeli artpiece.

Everytime some one says anything about the conflict in the midleeast the answer is "FU, you don't no jack ****". Still, you on the other hand seems to be quite a bunch of experts of what Sweden contriputed to the WW2 and help a lot of jewsm and what Sweden does now around the world in peacekeeping operations.

idiots..

No point in arguing of what we have done and what we haven't done since this is (just like the 2,3? previous threads) just one thread that in the end is full of stupid replys and hate against a single country.

[OldRecon]

Well, hello. I didn't know Germany attacked USA. I thought it was the Japanese did the damage in Pearl Harbor. We went to war against Nazis Germany via Japan :roll:

Japan attacked Pearl Harbour yes,

BUT!

Then Hitler declared war on USA first (as the stupid git he was rofl).
The reason Europe was main theatre for US war effort until VE, was because Roosevelt perceived Hitler to be the main long term treath to his nation (and rightly so) compared to the Japanese.
Anyway if Hitler had conquered all Europe, beaten Stalin, and turned his Reich into his dream of a state of self supplied strong blonde farmers, cultivating their little plots in the new Lebensraum in the East, I guess it would have been a real boon to the US economy. rofl

[Russian Texan]

I don't know much about Swedeish SF but that royalty of yours looks so gooood.
If only I didn't have a fiance and that princess of yours knew about my existence :)
Do you have her phone number? It just seems to me that you guys can use some Russian genes with a Texas attitude to liven yall up. So what do ya say partner :lol: ?

[Roger Rabbit]

Dont get me started on that Princess. If only i was an inbred Prince and then maybe she would marry me :lol:

[Jack Mehoff]

wehoo, look it's the third forum thread about Sweden since an israeli ambassador destroyed another israeli artpiece.

Everytime some one says anything about the conflict in the midleeast the answer is "FU, you don't no jack ****". Still, you on the other hand seems to be quite a bunch of experts of what Sweden contriputed to the WW2 and help a lot of jewsm and what Sweden does now around the world in peacekeeping operations.

idiots..

No point in arguing of what we have done and what we haven't done since this is (just like the 2,3? previous threads) just one thread that in the end is full of stupid replys and hate against a single country.

This is the answer everytime one of your Swedish friend bash my country

"It's only my opinion"

[appslapp]

about sweden not been into war for 300 years..........all I can say, read your history!

sweden was a big superpower at that time, and sweden was at war for a very long time.

just a mark

I dont try to make some connection to today about this, just a historylesson for you whit the big knive :roll:

[Jack Mehoff]

Read my history? That's not necessary because a few Swedish people told me that their country hasn't been to war for the last 300 years. So tell me, why would they want to say something like that? Too honest perhaps?

[mustamato]

Unlike Sweden, if it wasn't for nations with balls and fought Hitler you probably speaking German right now.

I love that lame argument that people like you usually use, you´ve probably heard it some Hollywood movie the first time, and then read it again in boards like this. But the only thing it shows is how bad your education system is. Well let me educate you a little then. In Scandinavia the language is very similar to the german anyway. And the belgians and so forth also have quite similar languages. And why is that? Perhaps because we are germanic? And it can be noted that the kingdom of France was first founded during the 7th century, and the king was from a germanic tribe.

So yeah it would have been some major horror if they have forced us to use the language we were already using. :roll:

[Gauntlet]

You're right. Sweden didn't do a thing during WWII but I think it was a wise choice. From looking at this map... Sweden looked pretty screwed.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/images/1942euro.gif
As you can see. You have Nazi occupied Norway to the west, Nazi occupied Denmark to the south, Axis sided Finland to the east, and Germany was right across from the Baltic. Even if Sweden sided with the allies, there was nothing they could do.
Sweden would be over run with elite German tanks and troops. Heavily bombarded with the German navy and Luftwafte. And the other allies can't do a thing to help Sweden because all reinforcments air or sea would fail.
Sweden didn't like the Nazis, no sir they didn't. But siding with the allies would put them into serious Jepordy as they would be besieged very shortly. Being neutral was the best solution.
However, some Swedes couldn't stand to be neutral. In fact Sweden is most known for its volunteer pilots in Finland and in the RAF.
(Note: The reason why Sweden fought for Finland is because they DID NOT want the Soviets next door)
Heres a link about the Swedish pilots in the RAFhttp://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/swedish_aviators/swedes_raf.htm

[Roger Rabbit]

Off-topic i know but isnt the whole of Northern-Ireland under British control? The map shows the north-west as being part of Eire.

[mustamato]

However, some Swedes couldn't stand to be neutral. In fact Sweden is most known for its volunteer pilots in Finland and in the RAF.

Well Sweden and Finland are like brothers, we share the same history, we have fought together against the same enemies and so forth from the 12th century. There is also a large swedish minority in Finland (thus Finland has both swedish and finnish as official languages). So it was just natural for swedes to volunteer in Finland.

Winter war: Nevertheless, the 8042 Swedish volunteers of the SFK suffered 33 KIA and some 50 WIA as losses. The 693 Norwegians lost 2 KIA.

Continuation War: 3273 Swedish volunteers served in Finland 1941-44, losing 126 KIA, 72 MIA and 286 MIA. It should be noted out that Finland was not an ally to Germany officially, but a co-belligerent. Germany needed soldiers on the northern front, and Finland needed weapons and bread. As simples as that.

[OnTheRocks]

My ex-girlfriends granddad was in the swedish army in the 40-ies and he showed me some photographs that he had from that time.

Apparently he and his unit had conducted all kinds of guerilla stuff to which their CO's turned a blind eye. Shooting german officers, soldiers and even downing a 109.

[Gauntlet]

My ex-girlfriends granddad was in the swedish army in the 40-ies and he showed me some photographs that he had from that time.

Apparently he and his unit had conducted all kinds of guerilla stuff to which their CO's turned a blind eye. Shooting german officers, soldiers and even downing a 109.

Thats the coolest thing I've ever heard of! Soldiers damning politics and fight for what they believe in! DEAD NAZIS! :D

[appslapp]

ohh my good........your swedish frieds must be lost in the head :roll:

the last war sweden was in , was aroud late 1800(dont have the right year) whit norway if i am not wrong??

before that we had almost the hole germany, polen , the baltic states
a big part of russa and finland(that was sweden from the beginning and became finland later)

we even had a colony in africa and amerika(yes its true)

the karolin army that sweden had was the most feard army in hole euorpe at that time.

the german tell there children:
that if you not behave the swed will come and get you.......old stuff offcorse.

agin this is from the past and i dont make any connection whit the SWE army today........just history for your swedish frieds :)

I am swedish myself....and I am very intressed in history of war

[Gauntlet]

the german tell there children:
that if you not behave the swed will come and get you.......old stuff offcorse.


:lol: Hahahaha! Your kidding me! Thats so ridicules!
Thats like telling my kids:
"If you don't behave, the Arabs will come get you"

[mustamato]

the german tell there children:
that if you not behave the swed will come and get you.......old stuff offcorse.


:lol: Hahahaha! Your kidding me! Thats so ridicules!
Thats like telling my kids:
"If you don't behave, the Arabs will come get you"

To put it simply Sweden held the northern parts of Germany for quite a while. This was made possibly by the great swedish king Gustav II Adolf, that also died on german soil (the one in the middle of the drawing), in the battle of Lützen in 1632:

http://sv.wikipedia.org/upload/7/7e/Gustav_II_Adolfs_d%F6d_i_slaget_vid_L%FCtzen_%281855%29.jpg

From swedish-held territory in northern Germany the swedes did "raids" further south during the summers, just short ones but took quite a toll on the civilian population. I guess this is where that "the swedes is coming to get you if you not behave" comes from. Wars during these days were not very civilized, and the swedes were very brutal, just as everyone else. Executions in these days meant torture to death...

And just as a short note, since Finland was under swedish rule in these days many of the "swedish soldiers" were actually finns. Especially the finnish cavalry had a major part in many victories for the swedish king. The finns were the only ones of Swedens allies that were loyal.

[Falco]

That goes back a long time!!

[Marxist203]

I think this poll is ridiculous. The Swedes do lots of Peacekeeping. They are involved in ISAF and all sorts of other projects in the world. Just because they didn't join America's war in Iraq doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.

90,000 American troops in Iraq, fighting Saddam Hussein when they should have been hunting down Osama Bin Laden...not that Im against the War in Iraq...I just think that the priorities got mixed up is all.

Point is...Sweden is Neutral, they aren't in NATO or any other alliance apart from the EU. So really, they can sit on their ass cause they dont owe anyone, anything!

[kaninen]

Like hell we didnt do jack **** during ww2.

My grandfather was a swedish mountain border guard, he was stationed along the norwegian border. According to him they fought germans and rescued Norwegians who where chased by german troops to be killed. They even did raids on german bunkers positioned by the border.

[Gauntlet]

From two stories about these secret attacks, it sounds as though that the Swedish soldiers actully did fight the Nazis.
However, I bet them flyboys slapped Russian or British stickers on their planes to cover up.

[Hullebullen]

While I don't mind the occasional "friendly" slander I think you're not really interested in people's opinions. You could have started a poll named: Sweden Suck, and people could vote yes/no, instead. My grandad was a volunteer in the winter war and my dad did two tours with the UN in Israel. I think you're just disrespectful...

[Hullebullen]

Sorry, Gauntlet. I was a little too quick on the draw :oops: . Didn't see that it was you that started this thread. Still, I think your alternatives were a little bit "all or nothing". At the moment there's a lot of swedebashing going on here on this forum (although some of my fellow countrymen seem eager to fuel the fire, and maybe I am helping a bit too, dunno?). Ok, I know it's just a forum and some people post stuff here that they'd never would have the guts to say in person. But still, I'm basically proud of being swedish as most of you guys are proud of being, well whatever you are. This doesn't mean I agree on everything that swedish politicians do or have done in the past. But, guys, you know I mean, right!?

[Duke]

Swedish Action???!!!!! I thought this would be a tutorial thread on what to do when stationed/TDY in Stockholm---DAMMIT.

[Javehn]

Hey , common , people , enough slamming the Sweds . If you continue , those fine good looking Sweden volunteer babes will not like to come to our places :( :(
That is Tragedy for real !!

[Fox2]

From what I have seen, the modern Swedish military is on the ball. As mentioned, they've had a long time without conflict to build up their military. It is also due to being on the Russian's front doorstep during the Cold War. Their military doctrine is based on a largely maritime defense of the archipelagos using naval assets and reliable aircraft that can use the road system as a redundant airbase network. Their naval infantry are trained in anti-ship warfare using US Hellfire-based systems, and can carry out beach landings to push back a potential Russian invasion.

As for the poll, it is my own theory that all the Swedish models of the world are in reality government agents sent to topple the world's governments! :D

Naaah....I would agree with others in saying that the Swede military probably do have a bit of action worldwide. But, I think they mostly focus on defense of the homeland.


Hey , common , people , enough slamming the Sweds . If you continue , those fine good looking Sweden volunteer babes will not like to come to our places :( :(
That is Tragedy for real !!

Hey, I am always up for peacekeeping when there are Swedish babes involved. :lol:

[DirtyBilly]

jack Mehoff, know your history. Sweden had units in Korea during the war.[/quote]

[Gauntlet]

jack Mehoff, know your history. Sweden had units in Korea during the war.[/quote]

In fact I remember a M*A*S*H* episode where there was a female Swedish Medic visiting. I remember a scene from it when she met Klinger.

Klinger: Don't mind me that I'm wearing women's clothes. I trying to prove that I'm crazy so I can get out of here.
Swedish Gal: Thats fine. There is an operation in Sweden where they can turn a man into a women.
Klinger: You mean you take a knife and?!?!...
*Swedish Gal nods her head*
Klinger: Whoa you're crazier than me!

[Nondescript]

A little bit of uneccesary history.
If you ever go to Nürburgring and do a lap or two you'll drive through a part of the track that has gotten the name Schwedenkruetz. According to the legend it got its name from an event in history where the Swedes drowned the locals in wine.
Just something to think about if you're ever there

Sweden is doing a lot of things out in the world, considering the budget for the military. Sure we haven't participated very much in any offensive action, although our peacekeeping forces have found themselves in situations where they are fired upon and have fought back.

The peacekeeping missions Sweden have and are participating in are conducted with great honour and dignity, something for all Swedes to take pride in. Our defense budget is getting more and more targeted towards these types of actions.

This is something that I think we should keep doing and do more in the future. Something that I also hope that we will do in the future or better yet now, is to take on a more active role in the fight against terrorism. I agree with the newly appointed CINC (think that is the right way to refer to him) of the armed forces, when he says that for the government it's like 911 never happened.

Why are there so many people bashing Sweden for what we did do or didn't do in WW2, don't judge the people by it's governments action, that goes all the way around. While were at it, Sweden wasn't the only neutral country in Europe during the war, have all of you forgotten Switzerland. A lot of things that Sweden is guilty of having conducted, also Switzerland did.

So lets take a break in bashing Sweden and go and bash Switzerland for a while. Or better yet, DON'T. Stop this argument of what has been done, wasn't done or should have been done. It's history it can't be changed no matter how hard you want it to.

[Gauntlet]

Nicly said

[Parzival]

I like it :)

[Parzival]

I like it :) How can i delete a post?

[Parzival]

Hmm......How to delete? :oops:

[memphiz]

nice triple post there ;) what happened to gauntlet?

[Parzival]

Sweden defeated the Napoleon togheter with England and Russia. And the US just walked in the sunshine....

[gorg]

You bring up a two months old thread for that, what does that even mean?

[NcDeuce]

Isn't mustamato like a 17-year old Swede?

[mustamato]

Isn't mustamato like a 17-year old Swede?

Deucebag.

[Stavka]

You know... Sweden has infact had the LONGEST war ever, and we were at war to until some 6 years ago.

Yes, now pick up your jaw from the floor.

Some island in the mediterranean, St Martin or whatever had a trifle with the swedish government over trade rates and whatnot during the beginning of the 18th century. So, Sweden declares war, sends a couple of ships down, blows the **** out of the harbor and sails home.
End of story.

But!

A few years ago someone realized we were still officially at war with the island kingdom now belonging to some other country, (cant remember which) and a peace treaty was formally signed.

There. To hell with your "Sweden hasn had war in ages boohooo i play too much counterstrike"arguments. ;)

[Truthsayer]

Did a search, found this, and got another understanding to why I didn't like Jack-me-off.

If you gonna bash us atleast do it with facts. Harder for us to disprove you then...

[Jack Mehoff]

Did a search, found this, and got another understanding to why I didn't like Jack-me-off.

If you gonna bash us atleast do it with facts. Harder for us to disprove you then...

rofl Do you actually believe anybody gives a **** about a country with no importance called Sweden???? Maybe you should tell your boys stop trashing on America and I'll stop trashing on you Scumdanvia fag.

[ibstolidude]

Sweden didn't do jack **** even when Hitler rampaged their backyard. So, i doubt Sweden military is actually doing any 'special ops' around the world right now.

Well, you should read what has been written in this thread a little more carefully. And why not also in some history book about what Sweden did during the second world war. There is usually a difference about what americans think and what is the reality.
So you are American because this has been show about you over and over and over and over and over and over --

yeah you aren't a flame warrior.

Hey what was it you posted a while back about generalizations?

[Truthsayer]

Did a search, found this, and got another understanding to why I didn't like Jack-me-off.

If you gonna bash us atleast do it with facts. Harder for us to disprove you then...

rofl Do you actually believe anybody gives a f*** about a country with no importance called Sweden???? Maybe you should tell your boys stop trashing on America and I'll stop trashing on you Scumdanvia fag.

I just love it...you are a small man. Probably with a small *****.

Like to hit your wife too?

[Jack Mehoff]

Please stop talking about my *****! It's off limit unless you are a really hot chick.