SF PT?

[Cael]

What's going on everyone? I"m a bit new to this site, and I just recently found it. It's definitely great to see a community of people who are interested in the military.
Anyways, my current situation is this. I enlisted for the US Army about 6 months ago and am leaving soon. My MOS is 18x and was wondering for those who have passed the SFAS, what type of training I should put in or change?
Right now this is how my training is. Weight training (including the seal pt), 4+ mile runs everyday with 15-20lb ruck every other day and also work out with the local highschool wrestling team. I also ruck maybe twice a week with 50lbs on. As far as I know, this is a good schedule, although really cramped. But of course i've never been there. So I was wondering what should be added or removed or what's more important. A former SF buddy of mine told me to ruck and do a thousand push ups and sit ups a day as part of my training. Rucking is of course practical, but I didn't see the purpose of 1000 push ups and sit ups after doing it for a month. (That's when I switched it to the SEAL PT.)

I know there are many ways, but if any guys who have passed SFAS can give me any suggestions that would be great.

[Dmitri]

A former SF buddy of mine told me to ruck and do a thousand push ups and sit ups a day as part of my training. Rucking is of course practical, but I didn't see the purpose of 1000 push ups and sit ups after doing it for a month.
Why not? I'm sure if SF guy told you that, may be you should listen.
From what I was told, there are a lot of upper body strength excersises on their obstacle course, and since army emphasizes more of a push-up concept instead of pull-up, thats what a lot of people are having trouble with. So, since you won't do much of it in basic, might wanna start rope-climbing and doing pull-ups.
Rucking is a huge part, my friend said on the land nav there are (if I remember correctly) 5-6 points, with 8-12 miles btw., with a (if memory serves me) around 50 lbs rucksack, over 2 days... As you see, thats lots of miles, so be ready.
But like I said, I wasn't there, just talked to people that were, and that is some of the hardest parts that I can remember. But I'm sure you'll find some surprises there ;)
BTW, when is your SFAS scheduled?

[11F5S]

What's going on everyone? I"m a bit new to this site, and I just recently found it. It's definitely great to see a community of people who are interested in the military.

Welcome....now do yourself a favor... go exit this site and head over to http://www.specialoperations.com/SOCNET/Default.htm and enter SOCNET

There is a wealth of accurate information there on the 18X program and SF in general(including input from cadre at SWCS)....a word of CAUTION...CAREFULLY READ the directives posted at the top of the forums...then use the search feature to find topics of interest to you...read the information posted BEFORE asking questions.


Anyways, my current situation is this. I enlisted for the US Army about 6 months ago and am leaving soon. My MOS is 18x and was wondering for those who have passed the SFAS, what type of training I should put in or change?

18X isn't an MOS at least not in the United States Army.


Right now this is how my training is. Weight training (including the seal pt), 4+ mile runs everyday with 15-20lb ruck every other day

STOP! You should not be running with a rucksack. It may well lead to injuries that could end your quest for the green beanie.



and also work out with the local highschool wrestling team. I also ruck maybe twice a week with 50lbs on. As far as I know, this is a good schedule, although really cramped. But of course i've never been there. So I was wondering what should be added or removed or what's more important. A former SF buddy of mine told me to ruck and do a thousand push ups and sit ups a day as part of my training. Rucking is of course practical, but I didn't see the purpose of 1000 push ups and sit ups after doing it for a month. (That's when I switched it to the SEAL PT.)

I know there are many ways, but if any guys who have passed SFAS can give me any suggestions that would be great.

Head over to to the SOCNET Forums now!

Good Luck.
De Oppresso Liber

[11F5S]

A former SF buddy of mine told me to ruck and do a thousand push ups and sit ups a day as part of my training. Rucking is of course practical, but I didn't see the purpose of 1000 push ups and sit ups after doing it for a month.
Why not? I'm sure if SF guy told you that, may be you should listen.
From what I was told, there are a lot of upper body strength excersises on their obstacle course, and since army emphasizes more of a push-up concept instead of pull-up, thats what a lot of people are having trouble with. So, since you won't do much of it in basic, might wanna start rope-climbing and doing pull-ups.
Rucking is a huge part, my friend said on the land nav there are (if I remember correctly) 5-6 points, with 8-12 miles btw., with a (if memory serves me) around 50 lbs rucksack, over 2 days... As you see, thats lots of miles, so be ready.
But like I said, I wasn't there, just talked to people that were, and that is some of the hardest parts that I can remember. But I'm sure you'll find some surprises there ;)
BTW, when is your SFAS scheduled?

Dmitri,

You have ZERO experience in SF and have proven time and again here that you know very little about SF.....you should learn to refrain from giving advice to others about things you have no experience in. You are talking out of your ass.

In other words put a zipper on it.

I think your friend Reaper would concur with me on this. Perhaps I should copy you post to SOCNET.

[ibstolidude]

What's going on everyone? I"m a bit new to this site, and I just recently found it. It's definitely great to see a community of people who are interested in the military.
Anyways, my current situation is this. I enlisted for the US Army about 6 months ago and am leaving soon. My MOS is 18x and was wondering for those who have passed the SFAS, what type of training I should put in or change?
Right now this is how my training is. Weight training (including the seal pt), 4+ mile runs everyday with 15-20lb ruck every other day and also work out with the local highschool wrestling team. I also ruck maybe twice a week with 50lbs on. As far as I know, this is a good schedule, although really cramped. But of course i've never been there. So I was wondering what should be added or removed or what's more important. A former SF buddy of mine told me to ruck and do a thousand push ups and sit ups a day as part of my training. Rucking is of course practical, but I didn't see the purpose of 1000 push ups and sit ups after doing it for a month. (That's when I switched it to the SEAL PT.)

I know there are many ways, but if any guys who have passed SFAS can give me any suggestions that would be great.

If you are willing to take the advice from anybody
Try:
USAREC Pam 601-25
PT 31-210-SWCS (or the current like document)
- the PT 31-210-SWCS is a pt log book and prep guide.
These are the mil guides and pt plans for prepping.

http://www.bragg.army.mil/specialforces/SFAS.htm


Other than that I have no real advice to offer.

[Dmitri]

I think your friend Reaper would concur with me on this. Perhaps I should copy you post to SOCNET.
That will break my heart.

You have ZERO experience in SF and have proven time and again here that you know very little about SF.....you should learn to refrain from giving advice to others about things you have no experience in. You are talking out of your ass.

1. Did I ever say anywhere I did have ANY experience in SF???? I don't think so. So please refrain from repeating that, its nothing new... If I did, I would like to see it.
2. If there is something inaccurate or wrong that I posted, why don't you correct it instead of posting your pointless supressions. I understand that the selection process might be changing, or even different all the time, why don't you correct me on that?
3. I was trying to help the guy, do you have any better suggestions? These tips came from a guy who completed the course, and a tabbed soldier. Since there was about 3 weeks from the time we talked, I said some of the numbers might not be exact, and naturally we didn't talk over the whole thing day by day, but those events in greater detail were pointed out to me. I was just trying to pass them to the guy
OK?

[California Joe]

Simmah don Thumbelina.

[Cael]

11F5S: 18x is my MOS. I believe they've just allowed that lately, I know a lot of people who didn't think so either.

The reason why I stopped doing the thousand push ups and sit ups was it didn't serve much purpose. You still break it down to 100 push ups sit ups each time (or more). And you can't really improve after a while unless you go over 1000. In the SEAL PT it's pull ups sit ups dips and push ups in sets and allows you to keep it going higher with sets and amount you do in a set. So forth.

As far as running with rucks, i'm sure it can harm you, but a lot less than any wrestling excercise... for those who have competitively probably knows what I mean. But I will definitely look into it, and probably isn't more necessary than a regular run. It would be a harsh thing to get hurt during preparation for SFAS.

Again thanks everyone for the help, some of those sites are very helpful. I actually will be able to hang out with the newer SF guys for a couple of days as they do some presentations in the schools here.

Also my SFAS schedule is around August or Sept?

[11F5S]

11F5S: 18x is my MOS. I believe they've just allowed that lately, I know a lot of people who didn't think so either.

I don't just think 18X isn't an MOS I know it isn't an MOS.
18X isn't an MOS....18X is a reporting code.

There are 6 enlisted MOS in CMF-18 (SF)...18B Weapons, 18C Engineer, 18D Medical, 18E Commo, 18F Intel and 18Z Operations.

In the 18X pipeline you must first earn the 11B1P MOS or you will not get a shot at SF.


As far as running with rucks, i'm sure it can harm you, but a lot less than any wrestling excercise... for those who have competitively probably knows what I mean. But I will definitely look into it, and probably isn't more necessary than a regular run. It would be a harsh thing to get hurt during preparation for SFAS.


My advice comes from personal observations and experience in SF...probably more years than you have been on the planet. Take it or leave it.


Again thanks everyone for the help, some of those sites are very helpful. I actually will be able to hang out with the newer SF guys for a couple of days as they do some presentations in the schools here.

There is a wealth of inside information on the 18X pipeline and on SF in general over on SOCNET that you would be hard pressed to aquire anywhere else. There are members there who are currently in the pipeline (every phase), cadre from SWTG, as well current and former SF NCO's an Officers. The price of admission is nada and the information is priceless.

To anyone who finds the environment on SOCNET too harsh ..I'd seriously consider finding another goal than serving in SF.


Also my SFAS schedule is around August or Sept?

Best of luck.

[Cael]

Thanks for the advice(s). That's what i'm saying about running with ruck, it probably is less important than a regular run. It would be smarter to lessen the chances of getting injured.

Thanks all.

[11F5S]

I was trying to help the guy, do you have any better suggestions? These tips came from a guy who completed the course, and a tabbed soldier. Since there was about 3 weeks from the time we talked, I said some of the numbers might not be exact, and naturally we didn't talk over the whole thing day by day, but those events in greater detail were pointed out to me. I was just trying to pass them to the guy
OK?

My daughter is a Doctor....I don't go around advising medical students how to prepare for medical school other then to point them to the horses mouth.

Advising people about how to prepare for the SF and the 18X pipeline should be left to BTDT's (the horses mouth) not someone who knows someone who told them something about it (the horses ass).

Those who listen to advice coming from the horses ass will ultimately find that they are knee deep in horse manure.

In SF there is little tolerence for those who speak out of their ass.

Unlike your post ibstolidude's post was excellent...it pointed the young man to the horses mouth.

[Beowulf]

USAREC Pam 601-25
As Stoli pointed out, this is a good resource for basic information.
It can be found online here: http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/sfas/download/p601_25.pdf

There is a 5 week training program outlined in the pam. designed to help candidates prepare for SFAS.

Also, take 11F5S' advice about SOCNET , read read read and do not post unless you absolutely cannot find an answer any other way. There's really good stuff there that you can't get anywhere else except maybe personal experience (i.e. the hard way)

All Best,
-b

[18C4V]

I agree with Beowulf and 11F5S regarding SOCNET. I'm a engineer sgt on a SFODA and a board member of SOCNET. I can attest to the fact that it's a different type of board there.

Good luck