COPS in Baghdad

[Duke]

Being that the MPs will soon arrive and local cops will also be on the beat, will we see COPS the series in Iraq. Im on a government computer with so many restriction I cant cut and paste pics. I wanted to do the cnn pic presently on the homepage with a Marine and local cop patting down some looters. Im curious would they??

Shoot from a blackhawk footage of a cameljacking, and the rider just going crazy, bumping and hitting people throughout the streets of Baghdad and a play by play from a Nightstallker.
Nightstalker says, "OHHH, he just hit a cart!!! This guy is crazy he's going...uhh about 30 mph. Just insane. and the camel is spitting on everyone it passes by. This has gotta stop."

Get footage of an Iraqi in a distant rural town in a wife beater shirt, not drunk (muslim), in front of his adobe with plastic camels on his not...lawn, but sand?? and MPs discussing a domestic dispute.
MP says, "Sir, did you beat your wife??"
Iraqi responds, "Which one??"

Post your own jokes
Just a bored pogue

[Knave]

How would you sing "Bad Boys" in Arabic? ;)

[warchild1/27scout]

bad boy,bad boy watcha gonna do when they come for you.umm,go to syria?:cantbeli:

[JiJoMacLE45]

Little LE insider info, police officers from large metropolitan departments, (NYPD, Philly PD) are being contracted to head over to Iraq to provide training to Iraqi law enforcement in the larger cities(Baghdad, Basra, Mosul). The situation will be similiar to the one in Bosnia where American cops have been working for DynCorp training Bosnian police. Similiar setups are in place in Afghanistan and Kosovo. So if they'll do cops in Russia and Latin America, Baghdad might be coming to Fox channel near you.

[hood]

haha duke. yeah I was considering posting some of the more 'forceful' ones but couldn't think of a segway into a forum topic here. luckily you just supplied one. I know it has to be done, but I hate that Marines and Army guys have to do this type of thing. It makes them look like the bad guy.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030415/capt.sge.ajt64.150403040927.photo00.default-251x384.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030415/capt.sge.ajm72.150403013754.photo02.default-354x290.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030413/capt.1050250892.topix_iraq_war_us_xhm105.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030413/capt.1050246202.iraq_war_us_xhm101.jpg

[Duke]

The middle pic reminds me of the incredible scene in the movie Platoon. Where Barnes takes his 45 to a little girl and screams at her father, "ACACADOW VC! Cocksucker knows what Im talking about!"

[budanski]

"ACACADOW VC! Cocksucker knows what Im talking about!"

I havent seen the movie. but was he asking where the A.K. was? Its kinda hard to decipher what the round eyes are trying say.

[hood]

Here's some more while we're at it... We're very quickly starting to look like Israeli's...

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=310960

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=310914

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030414/capt.1050354704.topix_iraq_us_war_baghdad_xdg107.jpg

[Duke]

I had a neighbor who was Vietnamese and she tranlated that scene as, "are you a VC??" and the little girl was screaming "ba" and "mayah" which means dad and mom

[warchild1/27scout]

hood,i hope we can do that stuff like the isrealis.those guys know how to deal with those derelects.they are'nt fighting solgiers,they're fighting losers and dead enders(i love that rumsfeld language)and thats pretty much what is left in iraq.you can tell your friends by who goes to defend you.when saddam's in trouble al quaida and other terrorist factions come running.and somebody said saddam and al quaida are'nt connected.nieve people piss me off. :bash:

[hood]

"Your punishment for the day, is to be sat on by the largest guy in our squad."

[yellowking]

hood,i hope we can do that stuff like the isrealis.those guys know how to deal with those derelects.
Yeah, that's why after sixty years of armed conflict, they've finally brought peace and prosperity to their people! :cantbeli:

[hood]

Excessive force and humiliation just breeds more hatred, which is exactly what we're trying to stop. I hope we can get out of there quickly.

[Duke]

Hood do you have footage of Israeli occupation. While in college I was in the Model UN and many Palestinians I met there had smuggled footage of Israeli soliders beating civilians. The worst one I saw was of a solider pushing down an elderly lady then preceded to beat her. I couldnt believe it. Actually, I didnt believe until I saw the same footage again on a european TV station. Israel bans journalists in occupied terrorities if anyone wants to know.

[hood]

Well, I've also seen a lot of video of Palestinians dressing up in stolen Israeli army uniforms and commiting heinous acts, so take everything with a grain of salt. Roughing up people in front of the camera is necessary in many situations, but I'd rather it be Iraqi's doing it to themselves than at our hands. The hard part is getting new police on the street over there, without putting the old brutalizers back out there.

[Duke]

The footage Ive seen was legit it was filmed by British and French journalists. They can be seen in the footage interviewing people after the beatings. Yeah I wouldnt put it past some Palestinians to don Isreali uniforms.

[budanski]

I had a neighbor who was Vietnamese and she tranlated that scene as, "are you a VC??" and the little girl was screaming "ba" and "mayah" which means dad and mom

If what your previous quote was correct. I believe he was asking where they kept the AKs. Ba means dad. Ma means Mom. You have to be careful with Ma cause depending on the different accent marks, it has 9 different meanings. It could also mean horse, ghost, mom, or as a verb.

[Knave]

I'd take all of those pictures with a grain of salt.... they're snapshots of what's happening, already put past an editor's eye.... who knows? Maybe he chose those over pictures of Americans actually doing some good to try and help the majority of folks in areas left without police by the collapse of the Iraqi regime; Those pictures all have a very negative perspective on them....

The Americans are doing their best to cope with a country which is currently lacking government and law and order. Those people have been oppressed for nearly their whole lives, if not their whole lives.... now, with the absence of police, they run amok and loot and try to take back something from a lifetime of being downtrodden, while the elite of the regime got richer and richer.

I think the Americans are doing remarkably well, but those pictures, although negative, do show that they're frustrated. They're soldiers, not policemen... and I'd bet that even the best police officers would find themselves frustrated at the amount of looting and lawlessness that's currently going on there.

Besides, those pictures are no worse than those of FBI, DEA, RCMP, German, French or British police arresting rioters.

I think the Americans should be commended on their restraint. During the Second World War, they faced similar problems in newly-liberated territories, with looters and the like. In response, they often put up signs reading in French, German and English - "LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT."

[admar2]

yeah, they should just go easy on them and relax. Give em plenty of chance to detonate some more suicide bombs. :bash:

Kinda harsh to look at "snapshots" of situations and claim that the military guys are being heavy handed.

besides, doesn't look any harsher than felony takedowns on baddys here in the US.

that being said, the military isn't good at being a police force. We should get an Iraqi police force back in place ASAP.

[yellowking]

The worst one I saw was of a solider pushing down an elderly lady then preceded to beat her. I couldnt believe it.
Why not? The Israelis aren't saints, they have their own history of terrorism and brutality. However, they do have a largely democratic, Western-leaning government, and their injustices pale in comparison to the Palestinians. Neither side is lily-white in the conflict, but the Palestinians are more excessive. In any extended conflict, such abuses occur, especially as frustrations mount, and if the conflict goes on long enough and there are enough abuses, odds are it will eventually be caught on tape.

[yellowking]

yeah, they should just go easy on them and relax. Give em plenty of chance to detonate some more suicide bombs.
No, they need to offer them a reasonable way out. When somebody has power over you and uses threats to make you do what they want, it's human nature for you to rebel. Look at any bad manager over minimum wage workers, and look at their attitude. You must offer a carrot as well as a stick. Show them that it really is in their best interest to cooperate, and come down hard when they don't. The key is to provide reasonable hope for a better situation, and Israel hasn't done this. As long as they don't, they'll be stuck in the same violent spiral.

[Royal]

No, they need to offer them a reasonable way out. When somebody has power over you and uses threats to make you do what they want, it's human nature for you to rebel. Look at any bad manager over minimum wage workers, and look at their attitude. You must offer a carrot as well as a stick. Show them that it really is in their best interest to cooperate, and come down hard when they don't. The key is to provide reasonable hope for a better situation, and Israel hasn't done this. As long as they don't, they'll be stuck in the same violent spiral.

Gotto agree with you - we need an exit plan, and to do that we've gotto leave the place a hell of a lot better than we found it - to do that we need to get IS trained troops and some kind of effective international police force - not a joke outfit like the UNIPTF was in Bosnia...

[warchild1/27scout]

yellowking you have fell victim to the blame america first propaganda.get your head outa your ass and think for yourself.do you really think suicide bombers blowing up kids is a moral equivelence to isreal.aat.don't say it.if isrealis kill civilians it's on accident or they're being used for the coward's shield.you finally got a first hand account of that in iraq with those bastard's using women and children for shields.that's a palistinian battle plan.you like it?

[yellowking]

yellowking you have fell victim to the blame america first propaganda.
You might try getting back on your meds, man. I didn't even mention America, and I certainly don't support Arab suicide attacks or mention any sort of moral equivilancy with anything. You might try looking at other posts of mine before you fly off the handle. I believe that the Palestinians and other Arabs are primarily, but not solely, responsible for the current situation of conflict in Palestine, and I also believe that Israel is not taking the best strategy to resolve the issue.

Israel's strategy appears to me to be to use only violence to resolve the issue. To me, it seems this can have three results:

1. Israel doesn't use enough force, and is sufficiently weakened and demoralized by the Palestinians that it is eventually destroyed (without US occupation). Unlikely, and unacceptable.

2. Israel maintains the current status quo, and stays terrorized. This seems unacceptable for both sides, and I think would lead to either 1 or 3.

3. Isreal drastically increases the amount of force and the amount of preemption and occupations. First off, there hasn't been a lot of evidence that violence against the Palestinians deters violence against the Israelis, so Isreali either has to displace the Palestinians [a war crime] or commit genocide against them [a war crime]. In both of these cases, the US would not support them. The loss of US support would pretty much mean Israel is isolated in the world. If this were to happen, the Arab world could take out Isreal (look at the Yom Kippur War, Israel could have lost that if not for the (world's most massive, IIRC) airlift of weapons, spares and ammo from the US to Israel, operation Nickel Grass). So, this is unacceptable to Israel.

So, what's left? Seems to me, Israel must, must, must achieve some sort of political solution with the majority of the Palestinians so that they and other Arab nations largely work to stop terrorism.

[warchild1/27scout]

yellow king-i might have came down a little hard on you but you got to get it straight.we can deal with palistinians but NEVER deal with the terrorists.they're like pediphiles,you can't change them. you have to kill them all.the terrorists in the west bank don't want a state of thier own.they want isreal TO BE GONE.is that simple enough.they proved it when arafat was given a better deal than they could ever dream of.i could agree on offing arafat and dealing with palestinians BUT with the terrorists your dead wrong (no pun intended).

[yellowking]

we can deal with palistinians but NEVER deal with the terrorists.
Well, to be fair, I never suggested anything like that. What I said was, in essence:


Show them [the Palestinian population as a whole-- perhaps that's the source of the misunderstanding] that it really is in their best interest to cooperate, and come down hard when they don't.
The idea is to give the population as a whole a peaceful path to statehood and properous coexistance which is acceptable to them. This, of course, involves some reasonable compromise. If groups refuse to use this path, you "come down hard," like I said, on those groups and those who support those groups. As long as those who follow the peaceful path start to reap rewards, and those who chose violence suffer, the population as a whole will start to believe in the peaceful path. To a lesser extent, a similar campaign would be necessary to convince Reactionaries in Israel's own population that peaceful coexistance is possible and they don't need to shoot any more Prime Ministers.

Chairman Mao stated that the guerilla would be as a fish swimming in the water of a supportive populace. That's exactly what Palestinian terrorists have now. I'm essentially saying Isreal should eliminate the water by winning the "hearts and minds" of the Palestinian people.

[Seiyuuki]

There is some light at the end of the tunnel...the Palestinians are getting a new Prime Minister, and Ariel Sharon as quoted in an Israel newspaper said he was willing to discuss the pull out of settlers and stop any future settlers from settling on any more disputed lands.

It's about time this thing end...the more involve and more time Israel get stuck in this circle of violence, the more uglier is going to get for them and the harder they will fall from the moral high ground. As for the Palestinians, it also about time they end this...I don't know if they realize it or not, but it seem to me for a long time now they are nothing more than a pawn for every political games in the Middle East just as Israel is the scapegoat for all those games too. Arafat stated his frustration about Al-Queda being involve and saying that they are fighting for the Palestinian cause but they have never been involve until recently seeing the Palestinian as a avenue for violence against the West. Same thing with Saddam, his fight was also for the Palestian's cause, or so he claimed, but all he does is give money to suicide bomber, promoting more violence and death among the Palestine. Iran does the same thing, praise the Palestian, but give little in way of aids, but give a lot in way of death, more bombs and materials for suicide bombers...and the story is the same for most other Middle East countries. It's unfortunate that most people residing in the Middle East don't know that we provide more in aids to the Palestinian than any other nations in the Middle East.

[warchild1/27scout]

yellowking-i think we pretty much agree(i'll have to get a free trial of that prozac :lol:) i just think this is a bold black line that alot of pro-palistinian people like to make gray.