Disturbing quote from my President

[askDNA]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

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[Aerosoul]

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[Morboute]

eeeeh okay.... :|

[joshfox0]

:| point being? he just kinda told the truth?!

[Clarsachier]

:| point being? he just kinda told the truth?!

That's exactly what's unusual!

[SFWanabe]

OMFG BUSH TOLD THE TRUTH?!?!?! This calls for a celebration

[Atlantic Friend]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

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A poor choice of words, certainly. And since we go there, "to catapult the propaganda" is a strange choice of words, too, at least for a non-Anglophone like me.

But well, wasn't that Sir Winston Churchill that said that in times of war truth is so valuable that it must be escorted by a bodyguard of lies ? Whether we like it or not, propaganda is a weapon and as such is bound to be used by both the Villains and the Good Guys.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

stop bitching about him , theres nothing you can do to get him out of office

so hate it or love it

[SFWanabe]

Yes there is a way 3 ways actually.
1. Impeachment
2. Recall
3.Coup (My personal favorite)

[Baboonass]

Yes there is a way 3 ways actually.
1. Impeachment
2. Recall
3.Coup (My personal favorite)


LOL.


Oh brother. :roll:

[California Joe]

He's a real ray of sunshine around here isn't he.

[SFWanabe]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

[Baboonass]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

I don't need to look at the soldiers handbook to know you are full of ****.


But hey, go ahead and start a coup there stud. :roll:

[mr nuff nuff man]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

ahem, 2 last "retierements" of high ranking Generals dont dont tell you anything about possibility of a coup in USA?

[SFWanabe]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

I don't need to look at the soldiers handbook to know you are full of ****.


But hey, go ahead and start a coup there stud. :roll:I never said I wanted too. I said it would be a perfectly legal act and you must not be a soldier or if you are one dumb soldier that you dont know what your defending first.

[Baboonass]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

I don't need to look at the soldiers handbook to know you are full of ****.


But hey, go ahead and start a coup there stud. :roll:I never said I wanted too. I said it would be a perfectly legal act and you must not be a soldier or if you are one dumb soldier that you dont know what your defending first.

You are right, I am not a soldier. ;)

In any case, starting coup isn't a decsion that is made by you interpretaion of the defence of the constitution, nor is "treason" a legal act.

Didn't you just say that a coup was your personal favorite? so you don't actually want to have Bush out of office?

[SFWanabe]

Treason against the president yes it is but not against the constitution. Yes I would mind seeing Bush and his neocon wackos out of office. Bush has done more to screw the middle east with his war in Iraq than a a jew setting off a nuke in Mecca could ever do.

[CG51]

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/BDX/BDX311/bxp56024.jpg

[Baboonass]

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/BDX/BDX311/bxp56024.jpg

Yup. ;)

[ElHombre]

Yes there is a way 3 ways actually.
1. Impeachment
2. Recall
3.Coup (My personal favorite)

your third way is illegal. anyone who tried would find themselves in prison with lengthy sentences if they're lucky.

coups are one thing the founding fathers feared the most. that's how rome eventually fell, after all. and a couple of gov'ts in england. read up on oliver cromwell. he left a legacy which terrified the founding fathers.

bush will have to leave office. the trick now is to keep him from doing any furhter harm while to keep digging at what he's been doing. eventually, something will turn up that so disgusts people that even the republican congress will finally have to take action.

[Baboonass]

Yes there is a way 3 ways actually.
1. Impeachment
2. Recall
3.Coup (My personal favorite)

your third way is illegal. anyone who tried would find themselves in prison with lengthy sentences if they're lucky.

coups are one thing the founding fathers feared the most. that's how rome eventually fell, after all. and a couple of gov'ts in england. read up on oliver cromwell. he left a legacy which terrified the founding fathers.

bush will have to leave office. the trick now is to keep him from doing any furhter harm while to keep digging at what he's been doing. eventually, something will turn up that so disgusts people that even the republican congress will finally have to take action.


See the post above yours before you use big words. ;)

[mi35d]

So where in the constitution does it say that the military can rise up and kill the president if they feel like it?

As for the "soldier's handbook" you've got to be kidding. So, federal laws, codes, the UCMJ, etc. are trumped by, "TSH"?

Wow! If you think you're commander has done something wrong, just shoot him! Great idea! 22 years in the military and I've just found the key to all my promotion troubles.

[Baboonass]

So where in the constitution does it say that the military can rise up and kill the president if they feel like it?

As for the "soldier's handbook" you've got to be kidding. So, federal laws, codes, the UCMJ, etc. are trumped by, "TSH"?

Wow! If you think you're commander has done something wrong, just shoot him! Great idea! 22 years in the military and I've just found the key to all my promotion troubles.

See post above you. :lol:

[SFWanabe]

When the Constitution is being threatened like it is now under Bush then it falls to true patriots to do one of the 3 things.

[California Joe]

All I know is those 2 kids weird looking feet are freaking me out.

[MichaelF]

When the Constitution is being threatened like it is now under Bush then it falls to true patriots to do one of the 3 things.

You are an idiot.

[Baboonass]

All I know is those 2 kids weird looking feet are freaking me out.

I hadn't even noticed unitl now.

Freaky.

[Baboonass]

When the Constitution is being threatened like it is now under Bush then it falls to true patriots to do one of the 3 things.

You are an idiot.

See 2 posts above you. p-)

[WARPIG]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

People like me write the soldiers' handbook and you are full of ****. Nothing in the soldiers' handbook permits or even mentions a coup. However conspiracy to overthrow the goverment is covered in the UCMJ.

[SFWanabe]

I'd be an idiot if I said that Bush was a great man and that war in Iraq is not a war for oil but a war to free the Iraqi people.

[California Joe]

We've already made that assumption so go ahead, say it.

[HooyahCQB]

Sounds like you've made yourself out as one anyway.

[MichaelF]

I'd be an idiot if I said that Bush was a great man and that war in Iraq is not a war for oil but a war to free the Iraqi people.

**** the Iraqi People. If they can kluge together a decent system of Laws and Government, good for them! However, their freedom or lack thereof was a tertiary/supernumerary concern. The Administration just put that out there as propaganda to throw in our enemy's face.

Sadaam dissed us, so he had to go. The fact that controlling Iraq allows us to destabilize the region in our favor is the main effort. The fact that we have knocked over a major Arab state put the other faggots in the region under pressure.

[WARPIG]

We've already made that assumption so go ahead, say it.

Dang.. stole my thunder CJ.

[Miles.]

I don't really see what's wrong with Bush saying this.

Are you people so naive as to think that the US Govt. rarely engages in "catapulting propaganda?" :D

This country is run by propagandists...they're called "political strategists." You can see them on TV 24 hours a day, thanks to cable news.

@CJ,

Look at the arm-to-torso on the kid on the left. That's freaking me out as well.

[CG51]

We've already made that assumption so go ahead, say it.

:lol: Your a poet man...

[California Joe]

Those kids are harshing my buzz man.....If I was a Mod....Oh wait....*giggling*

Oh look, a squirrel with a fluffy tail.....

[WARPIG]

We've already made that assumption so go ahead, say it.

:lol: Your a poet man...

Don't encourage him or he's going to start with the Haiku again!

[Baboonass]

I'd be an idiot if I said that Bush was a great man and that war in Iraq is not a war for oil but a war to free the Iraqi people.

You'd be an idiot if you didn't.


Man, you are screwed.

[Baboonass]

We've already made that assumption so go ahead, say it.

:lol: Your a poet man...

Don't encourage him or he's going to start with the Haiku again!

I know a Haiku!


There once was a man from Nantucket.....

Oh wait, that's not it.

[CG51]

:lol: thanks guys, I needed a good laugh today...

OK..OK..must get back to work now :|

[Aerosoul]

seriously, this thread is hilarious!
I <3 Matchanu and CaliJoe.

p-)

[Miles.]

We've already made that assumption so go ahead, say it.

:lol: Your a poet man...

Don't encourage him or he's going to start with the Haiku again!

I know a Haiku!


There once was a man from Nantucket.....

Oh wait, that's not it.

Limerick!

[WolverineBlue]

SFwanabe -- you lost credibility by referring to the TSH. Everyone knows a coup is illegal. I detest W as much as the next guy (see W's approval rating dropping lower and lower every day), but an armed coup is not gonna happen.

[Macs.]

I wish you all the best for your revolution Mr SFWannabe.

Did you watch Triple X 2 ? Ohhhweeee.

[Aerosoul]

I wish you all the best for your revolution Mr SFWannabe.

Did you watch Triple X 2 ? Ohhhweeee.

rofl

[Secret Squirrel]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Not as distrubing as some of these;

"I think younger workers—first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government—promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."—Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives—like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write."—on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

Video links can be found here --> link (http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/)

[WARPIG]

I am just curious how my oath to protect and defend the constitution permits me to overthrow the President. I seem to remember a little thing called the UCMJ and article 134 that says other wise.

Don't you love it when some moron waiting for his balls to drop thinks he can tell a soldier what their job is?

[Macs.]

I am just curious how my oath to protect and defend the constitution permits me to overthrow the President. I seem to remember a little thing called the UCMJ and article 134 that says other wise.

Don't you love it when some moron waiting for his balls to drop thinks he can tell a soldier what their job is?

I agree.

Now get me a beer.

[California Joe]

Believe me, I'm no W supporter but Gawd, if you're going to argue at least form coherent arguements with facts at your disposal. Simple facts will suffice. Like ones that kinda make it illegal for the military to act like it's in Argentina and ****.....

[Miles.]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Not as distrubing as some of these;

"I think younger workers—first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government—promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."—Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives—like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write."—on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

Video links can be found here --> link (http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/)

Can you tell me what is disturbing? Quote by quote? Because those quotes remind me why I voted for him...

[Macs.]

Also I wouldn't give much about what a politican says.

Our chancellor for example is a very good "talker" but he still sucks donkey balls. :roll:

18 day till he is out. woot

[Secret Squirrel]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Not as distrubing as some of these;

"I think younger workers—first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government—promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."—Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives—like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write."—on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

Video links can be found here --> link (http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/)

Can you tell me what is disturbing? Quote by quote? Because those quotes remind me why I voted for him...

You voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

"The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the—the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice."—Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003

If nothing else, he's pretty entertaining.

[WARPIG]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Not as distrubing as some of these;

"I think younger workers—first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government—promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."—Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives—like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write."—on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way."—Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me." —Washington D.C., April 14, 2005

Video links can be found here --> link (http://slate.msn.com/id/76886/)

Can you tell me what is disturbing? Quote by quote? Because those quotes remind me why I voted for him...

Bushisms are old hat. Every president has had bits and pieces of their public speaking engagements taken out of context. Dubya is pretty good at creating material for people who like to sharpshoot him.

[Miles.]

You voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

"The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the—the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice."—Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003

If nothing else, he's pretty entertaining.


You quoted my post, which is the first step, but then you got off sometime around the first question.

Show me what is disturbing about these quotes. Please.

[Secret Squirrel]

You voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves."—Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

"The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the—the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice."—Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003

If nothing else, he's pretty entertaining.


You quoted my post, which is the first step, but then you got off sometime around the first question.

Show me what is disturbing about these quotes. Please.

Sure thing. The man is a moron. He lacks a basic understand of grammar and rarely can he express himself clearly. His inability to express his ideas, as well as his documented lack of curiousity, has caused a lot of problems. Exactly how many of his campaign promises has he fullfilled? ;) So, again, you voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?

[Miles.]

You quoted my post, which is the first step, but then you got off sometime around the first question.

Show me what is disturbing about these quotes. Please.

Sure thing. The man is a moron. He lacks a basic understand of grammar and rarely can he express himself clearly. His inability to express his ideas, as well as his documented lack of curiousity, has caused a lot of problems. Exactly how many of his campaign promises has he fullfilled? ;) So, again, you voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?

rofl rofl rofl

But, seriously, he isn't a good public speaker. But why would you judge a person's intelligence on the way they speak? In that respect, would a Southern gentleman like me, be an idiot to you, based on my accent or choice of words? If so, I think you may have an English degree. Maybe even a Masters. There's help out there for academic diseases. ;)

[Secret Squirrel]

You quoted my post, which is the first step, but then you got off sometime around the first question.

Show me what is disturbing about these quotes. Please.

Sure thing. The man is a moron. He lacks a basic understand of grammar and rarely can he express himself clearly. His inability to express his ideas, as well as his documented lack of curiousity, has caused a lot of problems. Exactly how many of his campaign promises has he fullfilled? ;) So, again, you voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?

rofl rofl rofl

But, seriously, he isn't a good public speaker. But why would you judge a person's intelligence on the way they speak? In that respect, would a Southern gentleman like me, be an idiot to you, based on my accent or choice of words? If so, I think you may have an English degree. Maybe even a Masters. There's help out there for academic diseases. ;)

Because his inability to speak reflects his inability to express his ideas. ;) I dont care if someone has an accent, that doesnt change how they express their ideas. So you voted for him because he isnt intelligent? :lol:

[WARPIG]

You quoted my post, which is the first step, but then you got off sometime around the first question.

Show me what is disturbing about these quotes. Please.

Sure thing. The man is a moron. He lacks a basic understand of grammar and rarely can he express himself clearly. His inability to express his ideas, as well as his documented lack of curiousity, has caused a lot of problems. Exactly how many of his campaign promises has he fullfilled? ;) So, again, you voted for him because he has a tendency to misspeak?



rofl rofl rofl

But, seriously, he isn't a good public speaker. But why would you judge a person's intelligence on the way they speak? In that respect, would a Southern gentleman like me, be an idiot to you, based on my accent or choice of words? If so, I think you may have an English degree. Maybe even a Masters. There's help out there for academic diseases. ;)Squirrel is no academic.


He lacks a basic understand of grammar and rarely can he express himself clearly. It is understanding and you don't need to use he and himself in the same sentence. If you're going to insult someones intelligence on the basis of grammer.. at least use spellcheck.

Dubya is obviously not the best man for the job.. but who is? My vote went to who I judged had better character. Neither was my ideal choice for CinC. But, I don't just sit back and sharpshoot the guy because I am pissed off.

[Secret Squirrel]

Squirrel is no academic.

Yea I only have a Masters degree. But of course you know everything. ;)


It is understanding and you don't need to use he and himself in the same sentence. If you're going to insult someones intelligence on the basis of grammer.. at least use spellcheck.

Dubya is obviously not the best man for the job.. but who is? My vote went to who I judged had better character. Neither was my ideal choice for CinC. But, I don't just sit back and sharpshoot the guy because I am pissed off.

Your life, your choice. ;)

[SFWanabe]

Sometimes you just have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. :lol:

[Miles.]

Because his inability to speak reflects his inability to express his ideas. ;) I dont care if someone has an accent, that doesnt change how they express their ideas. So you voted for him because he isnt intelligent? :lol:

So, according to your logic, a mute has low mental substance, because "[he is unable] to express his ideas?"

An accent DOES affect the way a person expresses his ideas. Colloquial language, local culture, and general socialization are all factors in an individual's ability to express thoughts and ideas.

Omega7 is an idiot, because he is unable to express his ideas to us, in a "satisfactory" manner (according to a arbitrary standard set-up by the listener)?

Personal Aside

Stop asking questions such as "You voted for him because he isn't intelligent? :lol: " Because it is difficult to not get angry at you. But I am doing my best to carry on a civil conversation.

[Secret Squirrel]

So, according to your logic, a mute has low mental substance, because "[he is unable] to express his ideas?"

Not at all as there are ways for them to communicate. But when you have the ability to express your ideas vocally, and you seem to fail more times than not, that suggests that you cant organize your thoughts in your head before you attempt to share them.


An accent DOES affect the way a person expresses his ideas. Colloquial language, local culture, and general socialization are all factors in an individual's ability to express thoughts and ideas.

Actually it doesnt. Whether a word is spoken with an royal english accent, a southern one, or a Russian one...etc is it still the same word. When you put together a coherent sentence, the ****unciation isnt as important as the words you use.


Omega7 is an idiot, because he is unable to express his ideas to us, in a "satisfactory" manner (according to a arbitrary standard set-up by the listener)?

I dont read Omega's posts very often. And I dont understand his native tongue so I cant judge him.


Personal Aside

Stop asking questions such as "You voted for him because he isn't intelligent? :lol: " Because it is difficult to not get angry at you. But I am doing my best to carry on a civil conversation.

Well you said, after I listed some of Bush's quotes, that they reminded you why you voted for him. But you still havent explained that one.

[Miles.]

So, according to your logic, a mute has low mental substance, because "[he is unable] to express his ideas?"


Not at all as there are ways for them to communicate. But when you have the ability to express your ideas vocally, and you seem to fail more times than not, that suggests that you cant organize your thoughts in your head before you attempt to share them.

Disagree. Ability to express one's self is not a quantifiable judgement. You can't measure someone's ability to speak in any tangible way. It's a subjective judgement. You feel that Bush is a moron, because of your perception of his ability to communicate thoughts and ideas. But the same standard is not applied to a mute, even though you acknowledged that they do communicate. What if his sign language is unclear? What then? Intelligence is immeasurable through language or speech.


An accent DOES affect the way a person expresses his ideas. Colloquial language, local culture, and general socialization are all factors in an individual's ability to express thoughts and ideas.


Actually it doesnt. Whether a word is spoken with an royal english accent, a southern one, or a Russian one...etc is it still the same word. When you put together a coherent sentence, the ****unciation isnt as important as the words you use.

You attempt to assign words an importance in determining intelligence. Again, that is a qualitative measurement against an immeasurable substance. Number of words, choice of words, etc, are not indicative of intelligence.


Omega7 is an idiot, because he is unable to express his ideas to us, in a "satisfactory" manner (according to a arbitrary standard set-up by the listener)?


I dont read Omega's posts very often. And I dont understand his native tongue so I cant judge him.

Pleading ignorance? That's shocking coming from you. :D


Personal Aside

Stop asking questions such as "You voted for him because he isn't intelligent? :lol: " Because it is difficult to not get angry at you. But I am doing my best to carry on a civil conversation.


Well you said, after I listed some of Bush's quotes, that they reminded you why you voted for him. But you still havent explained that one.

I voted for Bush because of his character, and willingness to speak about things that are important to me, such as national security, supporting the troops and the mission, national efforts to make the USA better, and being proud for your country, religion, and way of life.

And I also vote "by the Book".
http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/bible.jpg

[Secret Squirrel]

Disagree. Ability to express one's self is not a quantifiable judgement. You can't measure someone's ability to speak in any tangible way. It's a subjective judgement. You feel that Bush is a moron, because of your perception of his ability to communicate thoughts and ideas. But the same standard is not applied to a mute, even though you acknowledged that they do communicate. What if his sign language is unclear? What then? Intelligence is immeasurable through language or speech.

You can measure intelligence through speech. The ability to express ideas comes from understanding a particular subject. The more you understand something, the easier it is for you to deconstruct complex arguments and simplify the process.
The same standard is not applied to a mute because we're dealing with people who have the ability to speak. However, they can still express themselves either through their hands, or technology (ie. Hawkings) And yes of course it's a subjective judgement...everything is subjective including trying to determine intelligence. Objectivity exists only in a dictionary.


You attempt to assign words an importance in determining intelligence. Again, that is a qualitative measurement against an immeasurable substance. Number of words, choice of words, etc, are not indicative of intelligence.

Actually they are indictative of intelligence. How we express ourselves and how we deconstruct or construct ideas in our heads is reflective of our intelligence. I'm not saying you need to use 5 dollar words for a 10 cent idea, but if you cannot clearly express yourself, then that reflects your intelligence.



Pleading ignorance? That's shocking coming from you. :D

Yea I know. I really should learn Japanese (i think that's his language?).



I voted for Bush because of his character, and willingness to speak about things that are important to me, such as national security, supporting the troops and the mission, national efforts to make the USA better, and being proud for your country, religion, and way of life.

And I also vote "by the Book".
http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/bible.jpg

So the quotes I posted had nothing to do with why you voted for him? ;) And yea I know you're a bible thumper but nobody's perfect. p-)

[SFWanabe]

I voted for Bush because of his character, and willingness to speak about things that are important to me, such as national security, supporting the troops and the mission, national efforts to make the USA better, and being proud for your country, religion, and way of life. Yes that would have been great if it wasnt all BS.

[Aerosoul]

I voted for Bush because of his character, and willingness to speak about things that are important to me, such as national security, supporting the troops and the mission, national efforts to make the USA better, and being proud for your country, religion, and way of life.

Gee I wonder why he said those things. Perhaps to get people like you to vote for him!

[SFWanabe]

I voted for Bush because of his character, and willingness to speak about things that are important to me, such as national security, supporting the troops and the mission, national efforts to make the USA better, and being proud for your country, religion, and way of life.

Gee I wonder why he said those things. Perhaps to get people like you to vote for him!Praise be to the lord we have a beilever here with us. :lol:

[Deuterium]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here. Also at this point in time it would be a legal act for the military or the general public to do so because I have a soldier's handbook right here and it says a soldiers first duty is the constitution and his second duty is to the president and the officers and NCO appointed over him.
Now if you think I'm full of **** then you just take a look in your soldier's handbook and you'll be a beilever.

Please change your screenname. You obvious don't know anything about SF and the men who make up our unit to say the things you say. You won't make it. Stop now before you waste my tax dollars..

[American Patriot]

You voted for John Kerry, didn't you?

[California Joe]

One thing the internet has taught me. Mastery of ones native tongue IS indicative of intelligence level.

[SFWanabe]

You voted for John Kerry, didn't you?Beileve it or not I voted for Nader :lol: Kerry didnt seem to have the little people on his mind.


Please change your screenname. You obvious don't know anything about SF and the men who make up our unit to say the things you say. You won't make it. Stop now before you waste my tax dollars..I'm sure you think SF soldiers are guys who are programed too eh?

[Macs.]

Please change your screenname. You obvious don't know anything about SF and the men who make up our unit to say the things you say. You won't make it. Stop now before you waste my tax dollars..I'm sure you think SF soldiers are guys who are programed too eh?

SFwanabe, don't let yourself get anything told by those people who have no clue. Rock on.

[Ekie]

When you get down to it a man is measured by what he has accomplished, not what he says. Talk is cheap.

[Aerosoul]

Please change your screenname. You obvious don't know anything about SF and the men who make up our unit to say the things you say. You won't make it. Stop now before you waste my tax dollars..I'm sure you think SF soldiers are guys who are programed too eh?

SFwanabe, don't let yourself get anything told by those people who have no clue. Rock on.

rofl

[California Joe]

Please change your screenname. You obvious don't know anything about SF and the men who make up our unit to say the things you say. You won't make it. Stop now before you waste my tax dollars..I'm sure you think SF soldiers are guys who are programed too eh?

Actually he is SF and I think you should apologize for being a huge **** and beg forgiveness. Dumbass.

[Miles.]

I voted for Bush because of his character, and willingness to speak about things that are important to me, such as national security, supporting the troops and the mission, national efforts to make the USA better, and being proud for your country, religion, and way of life.

Gee I wonder why he said those things. Perhaps to get people like you to vote for him!

Master of the obvious...maybe there's a career path for you. Have you had Career Day at your HS yet? Maybe there's a counselor you can talk to. :D :hug:

Bush is the kind of leader I like. I don't agree with a lot of his policies, or his professed motivations, but I like his style. It's not polished, it's not particularly slick. Some of you think with perceptions, perceptions about his intelligence, and character, and I ask you, where is your standard for intelligence? Speech, for some. Just plain assumptions, for others.

He's a politician, a white political elitist, a liberal from the NorthEast with a conservative message. He's not all powerful, and he doesn't affect my daily life. I could care less about any politician. But as far as judging someone's intelligence by their language skills, it's rather insulting. That's my argument. I've spelled it out. I don't have to defend Bush's actions, policies, or thoughts. I defend my own views.

SFwannabe, please stop while you still have an account here.

[SFWanabe]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

[Aerosoul]

I'm not juding his intelligence by his speech skills. Believe me, I know that speaking does not reflect one's actual intelligence.

My problem is what's been going on for decades...big business in the oval office. The days of stand-up men as Presidents of the USA are gone.

[Miles.]

I'm not juding his intelligence by his speech skills. Believe me, I know that speaking does not reflect one's actual intelligence.

My problem is what's been going on for decades...big business in the oval office. The days of stand-up men as Presidents of the USA are gone.

The pussification of men is a big problem in the USA, no doubt about that.

[Aerosoul]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

keep going man, rock this house.

[achilles]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

First go to the army...then talk.

First learn how to crawl...then walk.

First remove head from sphincter...and then post your opinion.


Arent you supposed to be finishing up your homework now and then go straight to bed?

[Roids]

I'm not juding his intelligence by his speech skills. Believe me, I know that speaking does not reflect one's actual intelligence.

My problem is what's been going on for decades...big business in the oval office. The days of stand-up men as Presidents of the USA are gone.

The pussification of men is a big problem in the USA, no doubt about that.

The man speaks the truth

[henksmoeder]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where wwhether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont Say I'm sorry because Then I would be lying.

You are full of sh*t. It's people like you that give leftists a bad name.


All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school

This sentence alone is the biggest unintentional paradox I've seen in ages. All you need to do vs. rigorous training. Ps. I wanna see you try. Moron.

[Macs.]

SF doesn't stand for San Francisco.

[SFWanabe]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where wwhether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont Say I'm sorry because Then I would be lying.

You are full of sh*t. It's people like you that give leftists a bad name.


All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school

This sentence alone is the biggest unintentional paradox I've seen in ages. All you need to do vs. rigorous training. Ps. I wanna see you try. Moron.
First, I'm a Independent and second You dont know whether I'm fat or friggin a heavy weight champ. I personally beileve that anyone could pass SF training if they have the will to do so.

[Aerosoul]

Where did political beliefs come into this? **** that.

And before anyone can judge how someone would do in something like SF training/course...I don't see how you can not have gone through it and have any valid opinion on the matter.

[achilles]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)


Language skill can be a measure of intelligence, but that does not mean that all people who are not eloquent are not the brightest.

There are extremely intelligent people with low linguistic skills...others are both eloquent and intelligent.

Unfortunately, Bush qualifies for that unique category where all participants are both stupid and can hardly articulate a sentence that lasts more than 10 seconds. This very latest comment of his just prooves that, and it is far from the worst ones i have heard/read.

Simply put, this guy would not be able to even dream of becoming a small town's mayor, if his surname was not 'Bush'. Jeb's next :lol:

[askDNA]

stop bitching about him , theres nothing you can do to get him out of office

so hate it or love it

Wtf? You must be one of those blind Republicans who thinks I'm a Democrat because I found something WRONG with Bush. Just so you know, I don't support either major party.

Anyways, wtf happened to this post.

Bush comments ---> Special Forces training rofl rofl rofl

[henksmoeder]

stop bitching about him , theres nothing you can do to get him out of office

so hate it or love it

Wtf? You must be one of those blind Republicans who thinks I'm a Democrat because I found something WRONG with Bush. Just so you know, I don't support either major party.

Anyways, wtf happened to this post.

Bush comments ---> Special Forces training rofl rofl rofl

It only takes a village idiot :)

[Aerosoul]

I know, I forgot what this thread was all about myself.
I got so confused...I even posted where did the politics come into this, and not Sf training.

:lol:

[SFWanabe]

How about a whole bunch of blind village idiots? I think thats more accurate ;)

[CG51]

SF doesn't stand for San Francisco.

speaking of that, Macs, your avatar is teh gayest...

[CG51]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

First go to the army...then talk.

First learn how to crawl...then walk.

First remove head from sphincter...and then post your opinion.


Arent you supposed to be finishing up your homework now and then go straight to bed?

the internet is a wonderful thing isn't it :lol:

[Miles.]

How about a whole bunch of blind village idiots? I think thats more accurate ;)

We have another magicpie...aspiring to be special forces ninja, first class liar and imbecile.

[Aerosoul]

I wouldn't call him a liar.

[CG51]

How about a whole bunch of blind village idiots? I think thats more accurate ;)

We have another magicpie...aspiring to be special forces ninja, first class liar and imbecile.

Is that assclown still around?

[California Joe]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

Lets have a real conversation. You sign up at a military forum. You waltz in here with an avatar that you didn't earn, you run your cockholster like you have all the answers to every political and military problem that exists in the world. You cast aspersions on what exactly it takes to be in SF and then act annoyed that people think you need your ass kicked.

Good luck in the future, but it won't be here.

[CG51]

OH SNAP!

[achilles]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

First go to the army...then talk.

First learn how to crawl...then walk.

First remove head from sphincter...and then post your opinion.


Arent you supposed to be finishing up your homework now and then go straight to bed?

the internet is a wonderful thing isn't it :lol:

fff...addictive :lol:

[Miles.]

Note to self:

Do everything possible to avoid getting dressed down by CJ. Blows to self-esteem will result... :slap:

[achilles]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

Lets have a real conversation. You sign up at a military forum. You waltz in here with an avatar that you didn't earn, you run your cockholster like you have all the answers to every political and military problem that exists in the world. You cast aspersions on what exactly it takes to be in SF and then act annoyed that people think you need your ass kicked.

Good luck in the future, but it won't be here.

CJ, Now you will piss him off and he will then go to the SF, since even my dog can do it if it has the will :cantbeli: , and then come back, silent like a shadow to slit our throats while we are asleep.

[Aerosoul]

CJ, Now you will piss him off and he will then go to the SF, since even my dog can do it if it has the will :cantbeli: , and then come back, silent like a shadow to slit our throats while we are asleep.

Nah, that's Red Cell, not SF. I read about it in this book.

[California Joe]

Not too worried, us guys that play with flintlocks carry tomahawks. ;)

[Aerosoul]

Not too worried, us guys that play with flintlocks carry tomahawks. ;)

You gonna go Mel Gibson on his ass like in The Patriot! woot

[BarkingSquirrel]

CJ, Now you will piss him off and he will then go to the SF, since even my dog can do it if it has the will :cantbeli: , and then come back, silent like a shadow to slit our throats while we are asleep.

Nah, that's Red Cell, not SF. I read about it in this book.I think I got that book too. Is it titled "He's buying it, he's buying it, holy crap I can't believe he's buying this book."?

[Aerosoul]

I think I got that book too. Is it titled "He's buying it, he's buying it, holy crap I can't believe he's buying this book."?

*high five*

[BarkingSquirrel]

woot

[Sir Zach of R.]

*Plops downs in recliner with a bucket of popcorn*

[achilles]

Where did SF Wannabe go? I want to learn more about what it takes to become a commando
http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/images/dykPhotos/picture13.jpg

[EasyC]

I read this thread thanking God I'm not retarded like some people are.

[CG51]

Where did SF Wannabe go? I want to learn more about what it takes to become a commando
http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/images/dykPhotos/picture13.jpg

Oh hell yeah bro, 203 with a 100 BETA C-Mag!!! Sweet!

Greek?

[CG51]

I read this thread thanking God I'm not retarded like some people are.

:lol: agree...

Mery Christmas bro p-)

[Aerosoul]

I read this thread thanking God I'm not retarded like some people are.

:lol: agree...

Mery Christmas bro p-)

true bro.

[SFWanabe]

He SF big deal. All you need to do to really get into SF is pass a rigorious training school where whether you liberal,Neocon,Indepenant,Tree humper, or whatever doesnt matter so really no I wont say I'm sorry because then I would be lying.

Lets have a real conversation. You sign up at a military forum. You waltz in here with an avatar that you didn't earn, you run your cockholster like you have all the answers to every political and military problem that exists in the world. You cast aspersions on what exactly it takes to be in SF and then act annoyed that people think you need your ass kicked.

Good luck in the future, but it won't be here.How do earn an avatar? :lol:

[California Joe]

Serve in the unit you post. I served in the Civil War. Tighten up.

[fremen]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Reminds me of what another nut once said, i.e. Joseph Goebbels: "A lie spoken a thousand times becomes the truth." (or something like that) :D

[WolverineBlue]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Reminds me of what another nut once said, i.e. Joseph Goebbels: "A lie spoken a thousand times becomes the truth." (or something like that) :D

Brilliant -- I was wondering what W's statement was reminding me of.

[ViktorNavorski]

[quote]See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Reminds me of what another nut once said, i.e. Joseph Goebbels: "A lie spoken a thousand times becomes the truth." (or something like that) :D

Wasn't that what the Sheridan dude on Babylon 5 said too...?

[Secret Squirrel]

See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

:|

Reminds me of what another nut once said, i.e. Joseph Goebbels: "A lie spoken a thousand times becomes the truth." (or something like that) :D

It's known as "The Big Lie" theory;

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." - Joseph Goebbels

[Kilgor]

and just what was bush "lying" about with the social security topic he was speaking about ?

[Secret Squirrel]

and just what was bush "lying" about with the social security topic he was speaking about ?


Bush's Social Security `reform' was a study in deception


Social Security turned 70 on Sunday. And to almost everyone's surprise, the nation's most successful government program is still intact.

Just a few months ago the conventional wisdom was that President Bush would get his way on Social Security. Instead, Bush's privatization drive flopped so badly that the topic has almost disappeared from national discussion.

But I'd like to revisit Social Security for a moment, because it's important to remember what Bush tried to get away with.

Many pundits and editorial boards still give Bush credit for trying to ``reform'' Social Security. In fact, Bush came to bury Social Security, not to save it. Over time, the Bush plan would have transformed Social Security from a social insurance program into a mutual fund, with nothing except a name in common with the system FDR created.

In addition to misrepresenting his goals, Bush repeatedly lied about the current system. Oh, I'm sorry -- was that a rude thing to say? Still, the fact is that Bush repeatedly said things that were demonstrably false and that his staff must have known were false. The falsehoods ranged from his claim that Social Security is unfair to African-Americans to his claim that ``waiting just one year adds $600 billion to the cost of fixing Social Security.''

Meanwhile, the administration politicized the Social Security Administration and used taxpayer money to promote a partisan agenda. Social Security officials participated in what were in effect taxpayer-financed political rallies, from which skeptical members of the public were excluded.

I'm writing about this in the past tense, but some of it is still going on. Last week Jo Anne Barnhart, the commissioner of Social Security, published an op-ed article claiming that Social Security as we know it was designed for a society in which people didn't live long enough to collect a lot of benefits. ``The number of older Americans living now,'' wrote Barnhart, ``is greater than anyone could have imagined in 1935.''

Now, it turns out that an article on the Social Security Administration's Web site, ``Life Expectancy for Social Security,'' specifically rejects the idea the Social Security was originally ``designed in such a way that few people would collect the benefits,'' and the related idea that the system faces problems from ``a supposed dramatic increase in life expectancy in recent years.''

And the current number of older Americans as a share of the population is just about what the founders of Social Security expected. The 1934 report of FDR's Commission on Economic Security, which laid the groundwork for the Social Security Act, projected that 12.7 percent of Americans would be 65 or older by the year 2000. The actual number was 12.4 percent.

Despite Barnhart's efforts, however, privatization seems to be dead for the time being. The Democratic leadership in Congress defied the punditocracy -- which was very much in favor of privatization -- by refusing to cave in, and the American people made it clear that they like Social Security the way it is.

But the campaign for privatization provided an object lesson in how the administration sells its policies: by misrepresenting its goals, lying about the facts and abusing its control of government agencies. These were the same tactics used to sell tax cuts and the Iraq war.

And there are two reasons to study that lesson. One is to be prepared for whatever comes next on Bush's agenda. Despite the tough talk about Iran, I don't think he can propose another war -- there aren't enough troops to fight the wars we already have. But there's still room for another big domestic initiative, probably tax reform.

Forewarned is forearmed: The real goals of reform won't be as advertised, the administration will say things about the current system that aren't true and the Treasury Department will function in a purely partisan capacity.

The other is that the public's visceral rejection of privatization, together with growing dismay over the debacle in Iraq, offers Democrats an opportunity to make an issue of the administration's pattern of deception. The question is whether they will dare to seize that opportunity, when for some of them it means admitting that they, too, were fooled.

link (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/12394654.htm)

[Belrick]

Americans had enough proof to decide for them that GWB was a liar with hidden agendas. They chose to ignore those warnings and except excuses and more lies.

No sympathy. If you can justify your leader lying to you then accept that the lies will continue to flow.

[James]

Americans had enough proof to decide for them that GWB was a liar with hidden agendas. They chose to ignore those warnings and except excuses and more lies.

No sympathy. If you can justify your leader lying to you then accept that the lies will continue to flow.

No sympathy for GWB changing Social Security? Umm... ok... If you are a Kiwi, I wonder why you have any interest at all in this.

Have a good one.

[James]

All this fuss... It seemes that some people here, no matter what the subject started out as, will revert to the tired talk of Bush lying, Iraq war was wrong, etc. It gets old.

A few of you seem to have actually taken the time to read the article that was linked, and I want to say thanks. The rest of you should have.

Anyway, as for Social Security... I say privatize the whole thing. I started saving for my retirement when I was 21, on my own. If I had my druthers, I would pay NO Social Security Tax at all, and, when I reach the age of 65, I would receive NO benefits from the gov't. Maybe just me though. I don't need the gov't to take care of me. I can do it myself.

Have a good one.

[ViktorNavorski]

Bush Proposes Slowing Growth of Social Security Benefits for Future Retirees (http://www.factcheck.org/article323.html)

A Rigged "Calculator" (http://www.factcheck.org/article319.html)

Pro-Bush Group Overstates Social Security Shortfall (http://www.factcheck.org/article313.html)

Bush's State of the Union: Social Security "Bankruptcy?" (http://www.factcheck.org/article305.html)

Does Social Security Really Face an $11 Trillion Deficit? (http://www.factcheck.org/article302.html)

MoveOn.org Social Security Ad (http://www.factcheck.org/article303.html)

Social Security Ads: Risk or Protection? (http://www.factcheck.org/article301.html)

AARP Says Social Security Needs "Moderate" Changes (http://www.factcheck.org/article309.html)

Informative stuffs making it way through political baggage...

[BarkingSquirrel]

If by "informative" you mean "actually part of the political baggage" then yeah.

[Kilgor]

If the liberals cant understand why social security needs to be changed in the future decades of massive baby boomer retirements, they should go back to rabid anti war ranting.

Its just not in the US too. The baby boomer timebomb is going to bite everyone in the arse.. hard.

[supercontra]

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"
--Adolf Hitler--

[supercontra]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
--Joseph Goebbels--

[Durandal]

If it can happen in russia or some 3rd world ****ter then it sure as hell can happen here.

rofl

Only after you get rid of cable and Walmarts.

Silly child.

Oh, wait, we are talking about liberals over throwing him? The same ones that want to ban guns?

rofl rofl rofl rofl

[BarkingSquirrel]

Hey - they got sticks man, and some of them are even POINTY! They're such mavericks!

[Durandal]

Hey - they got sticks man, and some of them are even POINTY! They're such mavericks!

:D

[James]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
--Joseph Goebbels--

A: The post was about Social Security
B: Every American I know is not a sheep. We are born with a distrust of our own gov't. At least I was.
C: Please don't compare current American leaders to those of Nazi Germany. Since 2000, the United States has liberated more than 50 million people from tyrannical dictatorships. It's been rough, and it will continue to be, but we aren't Nazis.

Have a good one.

[Baboonass]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
--Joseph Goebbels--

Meh, both sides of the political spectrum uses this tactic.

Truth is fluid and variable.

You believe who and what you choose to, there are no absolutes.

[Durandal]

B: Every American I know is not a sheep. We are born with a distrust of our own gov't. At least I was.

I think this becomes less and less so as we see Civic style classes dropped from High School curriculum. Which is an absolute shame.

[Baboonass]

B: Every American I know is not a sheep. We are born with a distrust of our own gov't. At least I was.

I think this becomes less and less so as we see Civic style classes dropped from High School curriculum. Which is an absolute shame.

Only to be replaced by pop culture and rapid and availible means of information and communication.

I learned, (introcution) about the government system and it's inner workings when I was a Boy Scout. High School curriculum was far less informative, but then I was a product of the California public school system.

[Durandal]

Only to be replaced by pop culture and rapid and availible means of information and communication.

I learned, (introcution) about the government system and it's inner workings when I was a Boy Scout. High School curriculum was far less informative, but then I was a product of the California public school system.

My High School requirements by my graduation in 1989 were as follows:

7th Grade: Greek and Roman Mythology, Latin
8th Grade: Ohio History and Politics, Latin
Freshman: Latin
Sophomore: 2nd Language of Choice (Spanish, German, French, Chinese, Russian, or a single last year of Latin), American History
Junior Year: American Politics, and a requirement to work on a campaign that year.

I also participate in Youth and City Government, which was funded participatory program were kids from every school public and private would participate and learn about local city government. You also competed for roles with mayor and councilmen with proposals and speeches.

We also had a slew of AP course (which also had a non-AP courses combined with them...one was for AP credit the other wasn't, though you still received the same lectures and work. My favorite was Comparative Politics, where we spent an entire school year comparing Britain, Russia, China, and a choice of one of three Third World nations over the course of the year.

Personally I think everyone should do it, because pop culture and the internet are POOR substitutes.

M, how old are out, just out of curiosity?

[Baboonass]

Only to be replaced by pop culture and rapid and availible means of information and communication.

I learned, (introcution) about the government system and it's inner workings when I was a Boy Scout. High School curriculum was far less informative, but then I was a product of the California public school system.

My High School requirements by my graduation in 1989 were as follows:

7th Grade: Greek and Roman Mythology, Latin
8th Grade: Ohio History and Politics, Latin
Freshman: Latin
Sophomore: 2nd Language of Choice (Spanish, German, French, Chinese, Russian, or a single last year of Latin), American History
Junior Year: American Politics, and a requirement to work on a campaign that year.

I also participate in Youth and City Government, which was funded participatory program were kids from every school public and private would participate and learn about local city government. You also competed for roles with mayor and councilmen with proposals and speeches.

We also had a slew of AP course (which also had a non-AP courses combined with them...one was for AP credit the other wasn't, though you still received the same lectures and work. My favorite was Comparative Politics, where we spent an entire school year comparing Britain, Russia, China, and a choice of one of three Third World nations over the course of the year.

Personally I think everyone should do it, because pop culture and the internet are POOR substitutes.

M, how old are out, just out of curiosity?


36.

Your high school education was a lot better than mine. I see what you mean by the lack of civics being a shame. Interesting curriculum, I wish I would have had it.

[Durandal]

36

Beat my by a year....35 here.

People think that just because they have a free voice over the internet that this somehow replace the need to understand WHY and HOW our government works and its birth origins.

Instead we pare down that education by giving the kids more English because their writing and reading skills are below anything that would be considered acceptable and we fell that we have an obligation to teach tem Woman and Ethnic studies instead of the what the first Continental Congress did and why.

[Baboonass]

36

Beat my by a year....35 here.

People think that just because they have a free voice over the internet that this somehow replace the need to understand WHY and HOW our government works and its birth origins.

Instead we pare down that education by giving the kids more English because their writing and reading skills are below anything that would be considered acceptable and we fell that we have an obligation to teach tem Woman and Ethnic studies instead of the what the first Continental Congress did and why.

I agree.


I am more or less self taught about the political stucture. I'm no expert, not even a layman on the subject, but I do have a general idea of how and why it works.

I try not to get too tied up in it as there are other areas of subject matter I try to occupy my time with.

[Flagg]

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
--Joseph Goebbels--

Meh, both sides of the political spectrum uses this tactic.

Truth is fluid and variable.

You believe who and what you choose to, there are no absolutes.

The older I get, the more relevant that statement becomes.

On the educational tangent we've one down in this thread, schools shouldn't exist to raise children...they should exist to educate citizens who participate and are productive. In order to do so, civics-type classes are fundamentally necessary to achieve that.


If you don't know the rules of the "game", how can you "play" and actually expect to "win"?

[Durandal]

All too true.

[California Joe]

Interesting diversion. One of the real reasons I moved back up into the boonies was so my kids could get a free nearly college level high school education for nothing. Because all the kids in the area can go there for free because there's no other public high school. People pay nearly 25 grand a year to send there kids there. Check it....www.stjohnsburyacademy.org/

[Aerosoul]

Wow, nice school.

[Flagg]

Interesting diversion. One of the real reasons I moved back up into the boonies was so my kids could get a free nearly college level high school education for nothing. Because all the kids in the area can go there for free because there's no other public high school. People pay nearly 25 grand a year to send there kids there. Check it....www.stjohnsburyacademy.org/

That's a heck of a deal CJ

And here I am already stooping to "legal bribery" to get my 4 month old boy at the front of the queue just so I can have the priveledge to pay them serious dosh in 5 1/2 years :roll:

That's it...I'm moving to Vermont with CJ......am I required to join the Communist Party to move to Vermont comrade? ;)

[Durandal]

Interesting diversion. One of the real reasons I moved back up into the boonies was so my kids could get a free nearly college level high school education for nothing. Because all the kids in the area can go there for free because there's no other public high school. People pay nearly 25 grand a year to send there kids there. Check it....www.stjohnsburyacademy.org/

A VERY legit reason. This weekend my girl friend and I are going up to her folks for Labor Day. I am going to ask her old man for his blessings and then we are going to get engaged. We are already looking for good schools for a future kids...public of course...most the good ones happen to be within 10 minutes from the location I want to build a gun range and do not increase her drive to her job...so we are both happy so far.

Its all about a good school.

[gaijinsamurai]

Congrats and good luck, Durandel! I just got married myself (for the second time, but this time I made the right choice!).

[Miles.]

Interesting diversion. One of the real reasons I moved back up into the boonies was so my kids could get a free nearly college level high school education for nothing. Because all the kids in the area can go there for free because there's no other public high school. People pay nearly 25 grand a year to send there kids there. Check it....www.stjohnsburyacademy.org/

A VERY legit reason. This weekend my girl friend and I are going up to her folks for Labor Day. I am going to ask her old man for his blessings and then we are going to get engaged. We are already looking for good schools for a future kids...public of course...most the good ones happen to be within 10 minutes from the location I want to build a gun range and do not increase her drive to her job...so we are both happy so far.

Its all about a good school.

Good luck with your marriage!!