Israel unveils bus system to prevent homicide Bus Bombings

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A child's stroller stands on the pavement next to the wreckage of a bus destroyed by a suicide bomber in Jerusalem, August 19, 2003. Israel unveiled a system on January 22, 2004 aimed at stopping suicide bombers boarding buses and carrying out attacks like those that have killed hundreds of people in the past three years. Bus bombings are some of the most deadly of all -- partly because windows toughened to resist shooting attacks or stone-throwing turn the vehicle into a pressure chamber if a bomb goes off. (Gil Cohen Magen/*******)


The new system

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A journalist faces a turnstile at the front doors of an Israeli bus, which was displayed to reporters at the Israeli Military Industries headquarters in Ramat Hasharon, January 22, 2004. The turnstile has been installed on Israeli buses in a pilot experiment to prevent suicide bombers from getting on the bus by the front doors. *******/Ofer Vaknin
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A journalist points out the back door of a bus fitted with a protective metal gate, which was displayed to reporters at the Israeli Military Industries headquarters in Ramat Hasharon, January 22, 2004. The metal gate has been installed on Israeli buses in a pilot experiment to prevent suicide bombers from getting on a bus through the back door. *******/Ofer Vaknin

A article about it


RAMAT HASHARON, Israel (*******) - Israel unveiled a system on Thursday aimed at stopping suicide bombers boarding buses and carrying out attacks like those that have killed hundreds of people in the past three years.


Bus bombings are some of the most deadly of all -- partly because windows toughened to resist shooting attacks or stone-throwing turn the vehicle into a pressure chamber if a bomb goes off.


The new system lets the driver block anyone he thinks is suspicious by hitting a red button to close a turnstile. Electronic gates will be installed at back doors, which have been used by bombers to sneak on without the driver knowing.


A sheet of armor is also mounted on the front of the bus below the window to trap shrapnel if a bomber detonates right outside.


"Public transportation has been a preferred target of terrorists," said Transport Minister Avigdor Lieberman at the Ramat Hasharon headquarters of Israeli Military Industries, near Tel Aviv. "Now we have developed the technology to confront this problem."


The system still depends on the driver being able to see through the would-be bomber's disguise, but later variations will be built using electronic explosives detectors that trigger an alarm and let the driver shut the door.


About half of nearly 850 Israelis killed during a three-year-old Palestinian uprising have died in attacks on buses by bombers with explosives strapped to their bodies.


Five buses are to be fitted with the new technology for a pilot over the next three weeks. If the pilot is considered a success, the technology will be installed on hundreds of buses at a cost of thousands of dollars per vehicle, officials said.


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Shalom :D

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I'd like to see someone try and squeeze through there with their shopping.

[Javehn]

I have a question : Can it stop from some Swedish "Mustamatos" to come aboard the bus ?? Can prevent a lot of dangerous **** to happend :D

Damnit , i am possesed !

[Mr. Nielsen]

Bus bombings are some of the most deadly of all -- partly because windows toughened to resist shooting attacks or stone-throwing turn the vehicle into a pressure chamber if a bomb goes off. (Gil Cohen Magen/*******)

Is shooting or stone-throwing attacks happening so often in cities inside Israeli?

[bison]

ummm, whats to stop the terrorist from buying a bus ticket ...

[unwanted]

I have a question : Can it stop from some Swedish "Mustamatos" to come aboard the bus ?? Can prevent a lot of dangerous **** to happend :D

Damnit , i am possesed !

Hmm.. This possesion of yours ... is .. some kind of strange .. Do you Fancy Mustamato or ;) ..

And I hope that you find a system to prevent the suicide bombers from entering the busses ... The Metall gate seem alot more reliable than the turnstile ....

[wreck]

I have a question : Can it stop from some Swedish "Mustamatos" to come aboard the bus ?? Can prevent a lot of dangerous **** to happend :D

Damnit , i am possesed !
Or better yet, can it stop some over-agitated Israelis. Just lighten up a bit bro, mustamato is having a laugh annoying certain people.

This is just teh intarweb p-)

[Uncle Sam]

ummm, whats to stop the terrorist from buying a bus ticket ...

I guess they're thinking that "bus bombers" aren't that smart. ;)

[Javehn]

Or better yet, can it stop some over-agitated Israelis. Just lighten up a bit bro, mustamato is having a laugh annoying certain people.

This is just teh intarweb

I am withya daug , i digg ya , aiight ? I am just chillin , you know ...

[wreck]

Or better yet, can it stop some over-agitated Israelis. Just lighten up a bit bro, mustamato is having a laugh annoying certain people.

This is just teh intarweb

I am withya nigga , i digg ya , aiight ? I am just chillin , you know ...
Umm. I dunno nutton man ;)

[S'13]

Bus bombings are some of the most deadly of all -- partly because windows toughened to resist shooting attacks or stone-throwing turn the vehicle into a pressure chamber if a bomb goes off. (Gil Cohen Magen/*******)

Is shooting or stone-throwing attacks happening so often in cities inside Israeli?

Stone throwing usually occures on roads outside the cities and sometimes also shooting attcks, but there have been many shooting attacks inside cities.

Examples of shooting attcks:

- March 5, 2002
Three people were killed and 31 were wounded when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire in the middle of the night at a restaurant in central Tel Aviv.

-February 25, 2002
A Palestinian terrorist opened fire at a group of pedestrians and at residents inside an apartment building, near the last stop of the No. 25 bus in Neve Ya'akov. Police from the station just down the road, raced to the scene, and in the ensuing shoot-out the terrorist, two policemen, and a policewoman were all seriously wounded. The policewoman, 1st Sgt. Galit Arbiv, was fatally shot and died of her wounds the following morning.

-November, 28, 2002
Six people were killed and 43 wounded in a Palestinian terror attack on the Likud headquarters in Beit She'an yesterday afternoon, as rank-and-file party members were there to vote in the primaries. The two terrorists, who apparently came from the nearby northern West Bank and arrived in the east Jezreel Valley town in a stolen Mazda sedan, were gunned down by an off-duty Border Patrolman who lived nearby, heard the shooting, grabbed his rifle, and ran to the scene.

-June 17, 2003
A 7 year-old girl was killed and her 5 year-old sister was seriously wounded by a burst of gunshots fired from the outskirts of Qalqilyah at a car exiting the Trans-Israel Highway near the Kibbutz Eyal junction. The attack took place inside the green line, across from the Palestinian town of Qalqiliya. According to the Israeli military, the gunmen used a water passage to circumvent a wall between the West Bank and the main north-south highway. The assailants opened fire on the car and then escaped back into the town of Qalqiliya. According to rescue workers, two other family members were lightly wounded. The shooting was claimed by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine headed by Syrian-based Ahmed Jibril. Meanwhile, Hamas turned down an offer to assume a political role in the new Palestinian government, thereby keeping its options to continue terror attacks against Israel.

[Andyman]

what are the people on the bus going to do. I mean don't the suicide bombers usually disguise themselves so that they can reach their destination and then kablammy. There usually isn't a warning is there? I mean do the suicide bombers start screaming and threatening people far enough in advance so that the people on the bus can say "um excuse sir, but would you please mind stepping inside that protective barrier over there so as to prevent civilian casualties? :cantbeli:

Seems like kind of a waste to me!

[UoUo]

Bus bombings are some of the most deadly of all -- partly because windows toughened to resist shooting attacks or stone-throwing turn the vehicle into a pressure chamber if a bomb goes off. (Gil Cohen Magen/*******)

Is shooting or stone-throwing attacks happening so often in cities inside Israeli?

No...

[Javehn]

Ok , allow me to say something here . The doors have explosive device detector , ok ? And every bus have security man , in case the explosives will detected , someone will have a nice round bullet inside the head . No one knows how much economicly it is worth , but if it work , then it is good .

The terrorists are looking for easier targets (the reason the are not exploding on soldiers ) . That can prevent terrorist to explode in the bus also .

[S'13]

what are the people on the bus going to do. I mean don't the suicide bombers usually disguise themselves so that they can reach their destination and then kablammy. There usually isn't a warning is there? I mean do the suicide bombers start screaming and threatening people far enough in advance so that the people on the bus can say "um excuse sir, but would you please mind stepping inside that protective barrier over there so as to prevent civilian casualties? :cantbeli:

Seems like kind of a waste to me!


The system still depends on the driver being able to see through the would-be bomber's disguise, but later variations will be built using electronic explosives detectors that trigger an alarm and let the driver shut the door.

Maybe you don't know this but there have been cases where bus drivers recognized suicied bombers, struggled with them and prevented them from blowing themselves up.

[Andyman]

Maybe you don't know this but there have been cases where bus drivers recognized suicied bombers, struggled with them and prevented them from blowing themselves up.

Nope I didn't know that. Sorry!

[He219]

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A reporter exits a bus fitted with a special system designed to keep suicide bombers out of buses during a presentation of the system in the central Israeli town of Ramat Hasharon Thursday Jan. 22, 2004. Israel's Transportation Ministry hopes the defense system, the first of its kind in the world, will drastically reduce deaths resulting from suicide bombings that target buses by helping the driver determine if an alighting passenger is carrying explosives and preventing him from entering. In more than three years of fighting between Israel and the Palestinians, almost 450 Israelis have been killed in 108 Palestinian suicide attacks with the majority of the deaths were from bombings on buses. (AP Photo/Jonathan Shaul)

[One?]

lets see.

How long does it take each person to get on the bus? OK well this might create a lineup. So all the bomber has to do is blow himself outside the bus, not inside.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Maybe you don't know this but there have been cases where bus drivers recognized suicied bombers, struggled with them and prevented them from blowing themselves up.

They might be recognized by being nervous, looking out of place or wearing an overcoat on a summer day.

But not all suicide bombers look nervous, as they might have reached a stage of serenity, no longer worrying.

[UoUo]

lets see.

How long does it take each person to get on the bus? OK well this might create a lineup. So all the bomber has to do is blow himself outside the bus, not inside.

There is hugeee diffrent between a blow inside the bus...or outside.

[Subliminal One]

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I'd hit it!

[Jack Mehoff]

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I'd hit it!

twice

[venture160]

whats stopping someone from detonating the bomb in the doorway? It would still do considerable damage

[UoUo]

whats stopping someone from detonating the bomb in the doorway? It would still do considerable damage

Like i sayed before...there is a huge diffrence between blow inside the bus...or outside the bus.

[S'13]

Maybe you don't know this but there have been cases where bus drivers recognized suicied bombers, struggled with them and prevented them from blowing themselves up.

But not all suicide bombers look nervous, as they might have reached a stage of serenity, no longer worrying.

Of course but it's still better to give the bus driver a tool with which he could stop the suicied bomber if he recognizes one. Also it is mentioned that there will be electronic explosives detectors added to the system later on.

[ShotOver]

What's stopping them from detonating beside the bus, at bus stops, in the turnstyle... etc.

[UoUo]

People..you even read my posts? :cantbeli:

Blowup inside the bust will creat much more deads then blowop outside The bus.

[OnTheRocks]

How does this explosives detections device work?