A favor I ask of everyone here

[Midav]

People, please, stop playing the blame game and finger pointing game about the floods.

It's a shame what happened and right now we need to be united, not divided.

Right now is a time for action to see how we can help, be it via donations (money, food, water, clothes, blankets etc) or personal help and to see that these thugs get off the street that are causing problems

We can start the blaming after this is over with.

NOT NOW!!

[ElHombre]

midav, i respectfully disagree. so far, the response to this disaster has been, itself, a disaster. troops are finally entering the city, 4 days after the levees broke and 5 days after a storm everyone knew was coming. the response has been too little, too late for hundreds of people. all this from a disaster experts warned us was going to happen sooner or later.

imagine what will happen if osama or another terr group hits a US city. the gov't has had almost 4 years to make plans to deal with these kinds of disasters and i can't say we've gotten our money's worth. and we wouldn't get a warning days in advance from osama. if NO is any indication as to what to expect, we're going to be royally screwed.

another problem is with the administration itself. there is going to have to be an investigation into events surrounding katrina and its aftermath. bush refused to mount an investigation into 9/11 until the wives of the dead shamed him and congress into it. what makes anyone think he'll be any different, if given the chance, with this? he already has an inability to admit error and there are errors aplenty on display right now.

[SuperShot5000]

Agreed, Midav. But I still can't help being pissed off about the chaos at the Convention Center. I've been ranting about it for days, but haven't pointed a finger yet, just saying something needs to be done quickly before more people there die.

[Lifeinasmallbox]

how do you point fingers and a blame game on a natural disaster ?


...and does it piss off anybody else that our own kind as in americans are calling everybody a "refugee"...dont know why...it makes sense...but it makes me mad for some reason...almost as if they are calling them savages or something...well nm...back on topic

[Noob Brit]

Agreed, Midav. But I still can't help being pissed off about the chaos at the Convention Center. I've been ranting about it for days, but haven't pointed a finger yet, just saying something needs to be done quickly before more people there die.

Just heard something about all helicopters being diverted to evacuate the convention centre. No idea how accurate that is, just heard it on that online police radio streaming thing

[Midav]

Elhombre

I'll make it blunt. Take your bitching somewhere else. It is not welcome.

You want to complain and do not want to adhere to my plea that we should be united.

Take your personal agenda somewhere else. Be it with your clique with like minded people and bitch with them.

We need to be united. Take the blame game away from here.

[mr nuff nuff man]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

[mr nuff nuff man]

Elhombre

I'll make it blunt. Take your bitching somewhere else. It is not welcome.

You want to complain and do not want to adhere to my plea that we should be united.

Take your personal agenda somewhere else. Be it with your clique with like minded people and bitch with them.

We need to be united. Take the blame game away from here.

Why should people feel united with someone who they blame for their problems? do you yourlsef understand it? Would you unite with your best freind that beat up you girlfreind and left her in the hospital?

[Midav]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

I don't give a rats ass in hell what Bush said. This is coming from me and it's not like a hurricane has never ever happened before...

To the rest, take your agenda somewhere else.

[panzerjager]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

[mr nuff nuff man]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

oh man...

nice avatar, what level of pyramid are you at in Freemasonary?

[CONSERVATIVE53]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

oh man...

nice avatar, what level of pyramid are you at in Freemasonary?

Do you have an actual response? He's right, hurricane levels have been pretty much the same for 15-20 years. Its time to shut up about politics and just do the job.

[mr nuff nuff man]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

oh man...

nice avatar, what level of pyramid are you at in Freemasonary?

Do you have an actual response? He's right, hurricane levels have been pretty much the same for 15-20 years. Its time to shut up about politics and just do the job.

you people are unbelieveble.
I ignored his reply becuase its not related to the issue.

Hurricanes been in US history since 30's but they werent as intense as recent onces (yes past 15-20 years, when do you think global warming has been noticed?). And yes there were wars before Bush.... BUT THIS IS ALL BESIDES THE POINT! Americans are losing their unity and its very much apparent right now especialy the animosity between democrats and republicans, its all alot intense than it used to be. I explained why theres no unity in this topic and others.
I do wish you all good luck and may you all find your unity again.

[el borracho]

One of the worst things about this whole incident is how stories keep coming in about ordinary people heading down there to do their part, and getting threatened and mugged by the roaming mauraders (for lack of a better term, I don't consider those that behave that way to be refugees). Either the anarchy is really that bad, or just the portrayal of it in the media is such that people are afraid to go down there and help. Plus, you can't mobilize military units and properly equip them as fast as some people expect. We're already losing good soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan...we don't need to lose them on the flooded streets of New Orleans as well.

[Xtoisè]

[quote=panzerjager][quote=Polska_Wrzód]hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

offtopic. but girl in your avatar isnt american although you pasted USA all over it, shes only in US becuase of your money.

[panzerjager]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

oh man...

nice avatar, what level of pyramid are you at in Freemasonary?

Do you have an actual response? He's right, hurricane levels have been pretty much the same for 15-20 years. Its time to shut up about politics and just do the job.

you people are unbelieveble.
I ignored his reply becuase its not related to the issue.

Hurricanes been in US history since 30's but they werent as intense as recent onces (yes past 15-20 years, when do you think global warming has been noticed?). And yes there were wars before Bush.... BUT THIS IS ALL BESIDES THE POINT! Americans are losing their unity and its very much apparent right now especialy the animosity between democrats and republicans, its all alot intense than it used to be. I explained why theres no unity in this topic and others.
I do wish you all good luck and may you all find your unity again.

The 30's of what millenium? I'm pretty sure hurricanes have been around since the beginning.

Here's a nice chart for you:

Decade Saffir-Simpson Category1 All
1,2,3,4,5 Major
3,4,5
1 2 3 4 5
1851-1860 8 5 5 1 0 19 6
1861-1870 8 6 1 0 0 15 1
1871-1880 7 6 7 0 0 20 7
1881-1890 8 9 4 1 0 22 5
1891-1900 8 5 5 3 0 21 8
1901-1910 10 4 4 0 0 18 4
1911-1920 10 4 4 3 0 21 7
1921-1930 5 3 3 2 0 13 5
1931-1940 4 7 6 1 1 19 8
1941-1950 8 6 9 1 0 24 10
1951-1960 8 1 5 3 0 17 8
1961-1970 3 5 4 1 1 14 6
1971-1980 6 2 4 0 0 12 4
1981-1990 9 1 4 1 0 15 5
1991-2000 3 6 4 0 1 14 5
2001-2004 4 2 2 1 0 9 3

1851-2004 109 72 71 18 3 273 92
Average Per Decade 7.1 4.7 4.6 1.2 0.2 17.7 6.0


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

Looks like the 1941-50 was the worst decade. I think that was more than 20 years ago.

[Aerosoul]

god you people are ****ing amazing.

we're here bitching about avatars and blaming bush himself for a ****ing hurricane.

wtf.

[stuntman]

Midav
What do you expect?
People on this forum feel good about themselves MondayMorning Quarterbacking the situation at hand( I guess FEMA turned down there applications???). I think if you inject politics like most here are(you know who you are), you are a FAG! By the way the people making this a race issue are fags also. Because people in Latin America, Europe and other places are a bunch of animals when it comes to primal urges brought apon by a disaster, war, etc.. be it Man made or Natural.
This happened very quickly and lets not lose perspective in the reasons and form of Governments. They are purely ractionary not preemptive! If they were preemptive then who would need insurance policies and welfare programs?
What you have here being shown are lots of people in need but also the media is (like always) trying to make a nice buck off the situation! The media goes around like if it is some sick joke and sympathizes with some people who are very over weight and they are crying on TV about how there poor kids are hungry(meenwile the kid is sitting on a cooler wile mama is crying and the kid is the typical American fat ass kid) Hungry my ass! The Gov bitching by the least who participates is also another issue. Sorry if I come off a little insensitive but some here feel me.

BUt yes lets leave the bull out of it!
We are Human Beings lets be less typical no matter what your issue is..

[WARPIG]

midav, i respectfully disagree. so far, the response to this disaster has been, itself, a disaster. troops are finally entering the city, 4 days after the levees broke and 5 days after a storm everyone knew was coming. the response has been too little, too late for hundreds of people. all this from a disaster experts warned us was going to happen sooner or later.

imagine what will happen if osama or another terr group hits a US city. the gov't has had almost 4 years to make plans to deal with these kinds of disasters and i can't say we've gotten our money's worth. and we wouldn't get a warning days in advance from osama. if NO is any indication as to what to expect, we're going to be royally screwed.

another problem is with the administration itself. there is going to have to be an investigation into events surrounding katrina and its aftermath. bush refused to mount an investigation into 9/11 until the wives of the dead shamed him and congress into it. what makes anyone think he'll be any different, if given the chance, with this? he already has an inability to admit error and there are errors aplenty on display right now.

Way to step up and help out. So what do you plan to do to help? Oh.. your doing it. Stay at home and make a tool of yourself by complaining and blaming the evil BUSH! Some of us have been working to help those people down there. Keep up with the apathetic and pathetic attitude. We don't need your help.

[CONSERVATIVE53]

[quote=panzerjager][quote=Polska_Wrzód]hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

offtopic. but girl in your avatar isnt american although you pasted USA all over it, shes only in US becuase of your money.

First of all, I never said that. You quoted someone else. Second of all, I think your going a little off topic yourself. And she lives in Paris. ;)

[Midav]

Yeah maybe I am being naive and asking for too much.

It's just a plea I have. Arguing who, why, what, where, when is not going to get that next family to safety.

The arguing can come afterward. Now is just not good timing.

Ty to all that have contributed positively so far!

[Jobu]

Unfortunately partisanship is everything to some people.

[abncougar]

uhhh.........bulldoze the city and let it become a wetland again. for 100 yrs they faught mother nature, for 100 yrs they held back the water. mother nature's a bitch, and she's on the attack.

[Clarsachier]

midav, i respectfully disagree. so far, the response to this disaster has been, itself, a disaster. troops are finally entering the city, 4 days after the levees broke and 5 days after a storm everyone knew was coming. the response has been too little, too late for hundreds of people. all this from a disaster experts warned us was going to happen sooner or later.

imagine what will happen if osama or another terr group hits a US city. the gov't has had almost 4 years to make plans to deal with these kinds of disasters and i can't say we've gotten our money's worth. and we wouldn't get a warning days in advance from osama. if NO is any indication as to what to expect, we're going to be royally screwed.

another problem is with the administration itself. there is going to have to be an investigation into events surrounding katrina and its aftermath. bush refused to mount an investigation into 9/11 until the wives of the dead shamed him and congress into it. what makes anyone think he'll be any different, if given the chance, with this? he already has an inability to admit error and there are errors aplenty on display right now.

X-2 Good point!

The headline from Washington now begins with, "Bush admits - relief
efforts inadequate." I never thought I'd see 'Bush admits' - anything!

Silence about the current state of U.S. leadership is an extremely partisan
request!

[Aerosoul]

uhhh.........bulldoze the city and let it become a wetland again. for 100 yrs they faught mother nature, for 100 yrs they held back the water. mother nature's a bitch, and she's on the attack.

I'm inclined to agree. But there's an awful lot of people that would then not have a city, much less a home. Course so many of them gotta start all over anyway. Sigh....so tragic. What to do...

[Midav]

X-2 Good point!

The headline from Washington now begins with, "Bush admits - relief
efforts inadequate." I never thought I'd see 'Bush admits' - anything!

Silence about the current state of U.S. leadership is an extremely partisan
request!

Some people read. Some people actually understand what they read.

You, sir, most certainly do not fall into the latter category.

[MacDaddy]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.
Wow, another Kennedy fan. Facts bear out that the hurricanes have not become more frequent or stronger because of global warming. As far back as records have been kept, it shows that the storms are cyclic.
And if you live below sea level, and someone tells you that an incredibly strong storm is coming, WTF? Find a way. It's a survivor attitude, plain and simple. Complacency is the thing to blame, from the survivors on up.
Yeesh! :bash:

[K.Johnston]

uhhh.........bulldoze the city and let it become a wetland again. for 100 yrs they faught mother nature, for 100 yrs they held back the water. mother nature's a bitch, and she's on the attack.

I'm inclined to agree. But there's an awful lot of people that would then not have a city, much less a home. Course so many of them gotta start all over anyway. Sigh....so tragic. What to do...


venice anyone?

[Midav]

heh

[usa320]

I blame mother nature.

[K.Johnston]

I blame mother nature.

I blame LEE

[Seiyuuki]

I had this all prepare and organize into coherent paragraphs, but then realize, what is the point, people who want to bitch will bitch regardless if they may be ignorant or uninformed. The most any of us, at least, any decent rational person could do is help in any way we can. I keep in touch with some friends who were involved with the tsunami relief effort in SE Asia and are now in New Orlean, as they put it nicely, "If I have to pick between the mess in Indonesia and New Orlean, I say Indonesia was a good vacation by far."

[Midav]

I made this thread in GT on purpose. Reason being, that's where the vast majority of hurricane threads are originating from...

[Weasel]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.

Yep, they weren't any hurricanes prior to global warming. Hell there weren't any wars prior to Bush either.
:roll:

oh man...

nice avatar, what level of pyramid are you at in Freemasonary?

Do you have an actual response? He's right, hurricane levels have been pretty much the same for 15-20 years. Its time to shut up about politics and just do the job.

you people are unbelieveble.
I ignored his reply becuase its not related to the issue.

Hurricanes been in US history since 30's but they werent as intense as recent onces (yes past 15-20 years, when do you think global warming has been noticed?). And yes there were wars before Bush.... BUT THIS IS ALL BESIDES THE POINT! Americans are losing their unity and its very much apparent right now especialy the animosity between democrats and republicans, its all alot intense than it used to be. I explained why theres no unity in this topic and others.
I do wish you all good luck and may you all find your unity again.

The 30's of what millenium? I'm pretty sure hurricanes have been around since the beginning.

Here's a nice chart for you:

Decade Saffir-Simpson Category1 All
1,2,3,4,5 Major
3,4,5
1 2 3 4 5
1851-1860 8 5 5 1 0 19 6
1861-1870 8 6 1 0 0 15 1
1871-1880 7 6 7 0 0 20 7
1881-1890 8 9 4 1 0 22 5
1891-1900 8 5 5 3 0 21 8
1901-1910 10 4 4 0 0 18 4
1911-1920 10 4 4 3 0 21 7
1921-1930 5 3 3 2 0 13 5
1931-1940 4 7 6 1 1 19 8
1941-1950 8 6 9 1 0 24 10
1951-1960 8 1 5 3 0 17 8
1961-1970 3 5 4 1 1 14 6
1971-1980 6 2 4 0 0 12 4
1981-1990 9 1 4 1 0 15 5
1991-2000 3 6 4 0 1 14 5
2001-2004 4 2 2 1 0 9 3

1851-2004 109 72 71 18 3 273 92
Average Per Decade 7.1 4.7 4.6 1.2 0.2 17.7 6.0


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

Looks like the 1941-50 was the worst decade. I think that was more than 20 years ago.

Any chart about the qualities, not the quantities? ;)

[Ва&am]

hmm, where have I heard this before.... Oh yes, Bush with his uniting speech during rise of antiwar protests. Poor excuse to use disasters as uniting issues. Disasters that were caused by same people who are asking to be united.
No Bush didnt magicaly create the hurricane but global warming is mostly the cause and poor responce to the flooding is his fault too. I dont think i have to explain about Iraq.
Wow, another Kennedy fan. Facts bear out that the hurricanes have not become more frequent or stronger because of global warming. As far back as records have been kept, it shows that the storms are cyclic.
And if you live below sea level, and someone tells you that an incredibly strong storm is coming, WTF? Find a way. It's a survivor attitude, plain and simple. Complacency is the thing to blame, from the survivors on up.
Yeesh! :bash:

Hurricane intensity in US has risen since 40's becuase US industry was peaking during WW2. In 70's Hurricane intensity decreased because of Oil Crisis. In 90's Hurricane intensity became even greater than it was during 40's becuase US economy was booming in 90's. It is global warming. Next year it will be even worse.

[Midav]

^^ What a bunch of Bologna.

20 years of hurricanes

Meteorologists believe this year's storms part of a cycle started in '95

Sunday, October 03, 2004

By Michael Woods, Post-Gazette National Bureau



The record-setting 2004 Atlantic hurricane season has almost two more months to churn up trouble, but it already reminds veteran tropical storm predictor James J. O'Brien of the Wild West.

"It was like ducking bullets from all directions," said O'Brien, director of the Center for Ocean-Atmosphere Prediction Studies at Florida State University in Tallahassee. "The thing that impresses me is that four hurricanes missed me." Tallahassee, located in the state's panhandle, so far has escaped largely unscathed.

If O'Brien and other hurricane forecasters are right, there will be an unusual number of meteorological bullets like Charley, Ivan, Jeanne and Frances to duck in the future.

They believe that the world has shifted into a cycle of increased hurricane activity that may last more than 20 years.

Authorities are still adding up the damage, but 2004 already may be the costliest hurricane season in U.S. history, claiming more than 130 lives and causing billions in property damage. Jeanne alone killed at least 1,500 people on Haiti, and more than 1,000 others remain missing.

"We are a decade into the active phase of a natural 60-year or so cycle of hurricane activity," said Dr. Hugh E. Willoughby, of the International Hurricane Research Center in Miami. "This season is active, but not dramatically more so than others since 1995."

The last cycle of intense hurricane activity ran from about 1910-1960, peaking from the 1930s through the 1950s. The inactive phase that followed ended in 1995.

Since 1995, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration hurricane index has averaged 139.6, about 50 percent above the 54-year average of 93.2 from 1950 through 2003. The increase occurred despite low indexes in 1997 and 2002. In those years, El Nino events occurred, an unusual warming of the ocean surface off the western coast of South America that suppress hurricane activity.

The increased activity since 1995 is due to an immense flow of Atlantic Ocean water, equal to about 100 Amazon Rivers, which controls the hurricane cycle. The flow is produced by differences in the density of seawater, which depends on temperature [thermal] and saltiness or salinity [haline].

Called the Atlantic "thermohaline" circulation, it transports warm, salty water to the North, where the water cools and sinks into the deep ocean. That water then flows southward, and when there's a lot of it, the circulation system speeds up and spawns more hurricanes.

Most Atlantic hurricanes begin as thunderstorms off the west coast of Africa. The storms move west and intensify as they pick up energy from warm, tropical ocean waters. In a complicated chain of cause-and-effect, a slower thermohaline circulation affects wind patterns in ways that suppress hurricanes. Faster circulation causes winds that favor the formation of more hurricanes.

"That's the pattern we're in now," said Willoughby.

From (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04277/388989.stm)

Now, back on topic.

[n4292936]

As regards the hurricane strength issue, warmer water feed hurricanes to the extent that they essentially provide more fuel and invariably lead to much stronger hurricanes. As global warming continues so to can we expect the strength of the average hurricane/typhoon to increase.

Clearly our current climate or the hurricane isn't Bush's fault, however, he's doing sweet f*all in his policies to stem global warming. I think that is what the original author who brought up the issue was suggesting. Still, it's ridiculous to pin the blame for this on Bush.

I'm amazed at the apparent lack of preparedness, which is largely state authorities and FEMA's responsibility. That said, good leaders take responsibility for everything that happens on their watch. Midav, I certainly agree though that this isn't the time for blame. The mess should be fixed first and then we can see how we dropped the ball and ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.

[mudbunny]

I think people in and around the Keys, Florida panhandle and the Miss. Delta area just need to ask themselves just how much they really wanna live there and consider moving inland farther. The people that say "we'll rebuild", I think, are missing the point. I simply can't understand how a person with a family would keep them in harms way. Montana or Wyoming may not be exciting, but g-damn, they're pretty safe. I think there is something to the trend of more intense and frequent storms since '95.

[CG51]

kudos for trying Midav :)

[Midav]

Thanks guys!

[Ва&am]

As regards the hurricane strength issue, warmer water feed hurricanes to the extent that they essentially provide more fuel and invariably lead to much stronger hurricanes. As global warming continues so to can we expect the strength of the average hurricane/typhoon to increase.

Clearly our current climate or the hurricane isn't Bush's fault, however, he's doing sweet f*all in his policies to stem global warming. I think that is what the original author who brought up the issue was suggesting. Still, it's ridiculous to pin the blame for this on Bush.

I'm amazed at the apparent lack of preparedness, which is largely state authorities and FEMA's responsibility. That said, good leaders take responsibility for everything that happens on their watch. Midav, I certainly agree though that this isn't the time for blame. The mess should be fixed first and then we can see how we dropped the ball and ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.

You cant blame whole global warming issue on Bush but you can blame him for not ratifying kyoto agreement. Your president can not see far enough to lead this country, and I congratulate him for that.

[n4292936]

You cant blame whole global warming issue on Bush Agreed, but nor could you attribute to him an intent to resolve the problem.

I suspect Katrina will give people impetus to reignite the debate on climate change in the US.

[ViktorNavorski]

As regards the hurricane strength issue, warmer water feed hurricanes to the extent that they essentially provide more fuel and invariably lead to much stronger hurricanes. As global warming continues so to can we expect the strength of the average hurricane/typhoon to increase.

Clearly our current climate or the hurricane isn't Bush's fault, however, he's doing sweet f*all in his policies to stem global warming. I think that is what the original author who brought up the issue was suggesting. Still, it's ridiculous to pin the blame for this on Bush.

I'm amazed at the apparent lack of preparedness, which is largely state authorities and FEMA's responsibility. That said, good leaders take responsibility for everything that happens on their watch. Midav, I certainly agree though that this isn't the time for blame. The mess should be fixed first and then we can see how we dropped the ball and ensure that it doesn't happen in the future.

You cant blame whole global warming issue on Bush but you can blame him for not ratifying kyoto agreement. Your president can not see far enough to lead this country, and I congratulate him for that.

First, learn how the U.S. government work, such thing as only Congress can ratify any international treaty, the Executive branch (the one that the President of the U.S. belong to) cannot, to put it simply, do **** about it. Well, they can beg real hard. Then look up the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98), 25 June 1997, when the U.S. Senate voted 95-0 against ratifying the treaty, mind you, this was all during the time the Democrat were the majority of Congress, and the almost treehugging Clinton & Gore dual were trying to get Congress to ratify the treaty, supposedly, this was the heyday when it was free of the "neo-con." Bush can certainly try to persuade as hard as he can to ratify it, but considering the committee responsible for deciding what bill and treaty should go to the floor for debate and most of Congress itself has already send him the message of another 95-0 against ratification...Well, continue with the blame-Bush bandwagon, ignorant is bliss so they say.