Rumsfeld considers striking Hizbullah to provoke Syria

[SeanAshi]

Jerusalem Post

US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is considering provoking a military confrontation with Syria by attacking Hizbullah bases near the Syrian border in Lebanon, according to the authoritative London-based Jane's Intelligence Digest.

In an article to be published on Friday, the journal said multi-faceted US attacks, which would be conducted within the framework of the global war on terrorism, are likely to focus on Hizbullah bases in the Bekaa Valley of eastern Lebanon.

It noted that the deployment of US special forces in the Bekaa Valley, where most of Syria's occupation forces in Lebanon are based, would be highly inflammatory and would "almost certainly involve a confrontation with Syrian troops."

Such a conflict might well prove to be the objective of the US, said the journal, which described Washington's strategic benefits from a confrontation with Syria. These include:

* Pressuring Damascus into ending its support for anti-Israel Palestinian groups;

* Persuading Syria to abandon its weapons of mass destruction and to withdraw its troops from Lebanon;

* Stimulating a situation where Syrian leader Bashir Assad can be ousted;

* Crushing Hizbullah and ending its presumed connections with al-Qaida.

"The political consequences of a US attack against Lebanon. . . could result in the destabilization of a country that is still rebuilding its infrastructure a decade after a ruinous 15-year civil war," noted the journal.

"It would also fuel Muslim and Arab hostility toward the US at a time when US-led occupation forces are fighting the ongoing insurgency in Iraq.

"In these circumstances, taking on Hizbullah in the Bekaa Valley is likely to prove a highly risky undertaking.

"However," it continued, "given the Bush administration's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes, it remains entirely possible that Washington will soon launch military strikes against Lebanon, regardless of the consequences for wider regional stability."

The journal noted that the US administration has long considered Damascus "a prime candidate for regime-change," along with Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and, possibly, Saudi Arabia.

"Syria, once a powerhouse of Arab radicalism that could not be ignored, has been seriously weakened, both militarily and politically. Washington may feel that the time is coming to oust Assad and the ruling generals.

"Targeting Syria via Lebanon, the only concrete political influence Damascus has to show following decades of radical diplomacy, could prove to be a means to that end."

The journal also noted that, "there is reason to believe that Iran and the US are moving toward some form of tactical understanding as a consequence of covert diplomacy." As a result, it said, Teheran has been steadily reducing its support for the regime in Damascus.

The journal added that Bashir Assad lacks both the ruthlessness and political acumen of his father, Hafez, whom he succeeded in June 2000, and he is constrained by members of his father's old guard who are continuing to block his tentative efforts at reform.

"These factors make Damascus vulnerable to pressure from both the US and Israel, particularly since US forces are deployed in Iraq, Syria's eastern neighbor."

During the past six months, it added, Washington has increased the US military presence along the Syrian border with Iraq "and, on several occasions, has sent special forces into Syrian territory or penetrated Syrian air space.

"In one incident, US troops pursued suspected Iraqi militants into Syria and fought a running battle that left dozens of people, including some Syrians, dead.

"Israel's air-strike in southern Lebanon earlier this week," it added, "is very unlikely to be the last time Israeli forces cross the border to strike at targets alleged to be militant bases and training camps."

[Javehn]

Ha ! That will be the day .
I am not big understunder of US politics , but it is possible , that such thing will recieve clearence from Senat ? Looks like you have to much democrats there to make such a move (even thow the Bush kick ass without a problem ) .

[RealUltimatePower]

Ya bomb Hezbollah!!!

[SeanAshi]

Seems unlikely, but you never know, it could happen, politicians have ways of getting the things they want. Or maybe we just want to see how Syria and Hezbollah would act.

[SeanAshi]

I am not big understunder of US politics
Whats up with Israeli politics? Who was the last Prime Minister who finished his/her full term in office? Sharon current PM, Barak, Netanyahu, Prese, Rabin, ??

[Sleeping Sun]

Jerusalem Post

US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is considering provoking a military confrontation with Syria by attacking Hizbullah bases near the Syrian border in Lebanon, according to the authoritative London-based Jane's Intelligence Digest.

That's SICK AND FU*ING SCARY!!! Yet not suprising.
Once again we can see what kind sick people rule this world.... :fork:

[Midtown]

I belive I speak for most of the US when I say

**** the Hizbullah

[Sleeping Sun]

Jerusalem Post

US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is considering provoking a military confrontation with Syria...

Rumsfeld is planning to start a war with the sovereign country of Syria. Is an other war really what you need? How's that going to solve anything?

I have stated earlier on this site that I greatly admire the US military and do not hate the US or it's people...JUST THOSE FU*KERS WHO ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW :fork:

[Seiyuuki]

Rumsfeld is planning to start a war with the sovereign country of Syria. Is an other war really what you need? How's that going to solve anything?

I have stated earlier on this site that I greatly admire the US military and do not hate the US or it's people...JUST THOSE FU*KERS WHO ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW :fork:

Yeah...the same "****ers" voted into offices by the people you don't hate.

Why would Syria retaliate if it does not support terrorism?

I would also like to offer you some words which I consider holy within this forum:


Mustamato why do you and other Europeans insist on categorizing all Americans as being monolithic in their beliefs, politics and opinions? [...]

[...] The resentment towards your views on American policy, I believe, stems from the fact that no country likes to be told what is wrong with it by foreign sources, especially when they can hear much better arguments from their own political leaders who have a vested interest in the future of the country as opposed to foreigners who, seemingly, take comfort in any American domestic or international problem.

Admittingly, Iraq is a mess right now, but it was a much more worse mess before. If you want to argue against America, perhaps you should consider at least we have the balls to at least try and rectify a negative situation instead of allowing it to become more disasterous, or take a "wait and see" approach as Europe did with the Balkans before it decided to step in-- with American help-- to stop the atrocities that resulted due to its non-intervention policy of the early 1990s.

Europeans have waged war among themselves for centuries, and its collective colonial past is one of the reasons the world is so screwed up today. Perhaps you could lighten up on your opinion of Americans by looking at your own history.

[Sleeping Sun]

Yeah...the same "f***" voted into offices by the people you don't hate.

We all make mistakes. This mistake will be fixed in the up coming presidental elections. :petting:

[Roger Rabbit]

By all means attack Hizbullah but how about finishing with Iraq and Afghanistan first.

[SeanAshi]

We still owe Hezbollah a asswhooping for killing 241 American soldiers.

Admittingly, Iraq is a mess right now
When WWII ended, countries came together to rebuild Germany and Japan, and it wasn't eazy, one problem now in Iraq is that Iraqis see The Super Power status of The United States, and believe that we can fix everthing in a blink of an eye.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Hate to ruin the speculation but the chances of this story being complete and utter BS are just too f*cking huge.

[George W. Bush]

I need to make friends with a lot of Europeans and Canadians so I can call them and laugh at them when Bush is re-elected, lol

[Seoulstriker]

in the words of NWA (niggaz with attitude):

F*** the Hezbollah, f*** the Hezbollah, **** 'em! F*** the Hezbollah, f*** the Hezbollah, **** 'em!

[Seoulstriker]

seriously, Syria has iraq's WMDs. :|

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

seriously, Syria has iraq's WMDs. :|

And if we do not find them in Syria who is next?

[ode]

seriously, Syria has iraq's WMDs. :|

Yeah... Syrias got WMD´s, take them out fast, before they attack your civilized American society and destroy it totally within just 45minutes, bit like Iraq...
You, my dear seoulstriker, must be one of the dumbest yanks I´ve ever heard about, and that´s a lot...
I truly hope you understand more about your medical studies, than about the world around you, otherwise your patients are going to be in deep ****.

[Durandal]

Jerusalem Post

US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is considering provoking a military confrontation with Syria by attacking Hizbullah bases near the Syrian border in Lebanon, according to the authoritative London-based Jane's Intelligence Digest.

I am not too sure who is at fault here, Jane's or the Jerusalem Post, but this journalism is for $hit.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

I agree, we need to completely destroy Hizbollah. It is one of the worst terrorist groups in the world and we still do owe them an ass kicking for our soldiers' lives from those bombings back in the 80's. I have also read some interested articles that are pointing to Syria as having Iraq's WMD's. It would not surprise me at all if they do have them.

[Loco]

I really don´t know about credibility of that source, but I seriously doubt, I´d say 100%convinced, Rumsfeld has not the intention of not attacking Hezbollah, better said, attacking Libano terrytory, that´s what Bekaa valley is, for provoking a confrontation with Syria. Perhaps he had some temptation in the euphorical wave of enthusiasm after the victory in past April in Irak, but Rumsfeld is not who declares war, over him is G.Bush with the approval of USA legislators, strange a forign one like me has to say this.
And talking seriously, if something like that was done, I´m afraid this time USA would be really alone, and only the lack of a stronger power would impede USA would be punished, because a fact like attacking a sovereing country, really 2 sovereing countries, would be a crime without any convincing and fair justification. Sure that information is a ****, I´m sure. :backhand:

[martinexsquaddie]

yah even el tone won't be able to send his legions with yopu on this one.
Syria may have some iraqi chemistry text books that will do :roll:

[One?]

So they are gonna send US special forces to fight in ubran warfare in bekaa :roll: ?

are they serious or is this a joke?

[SeanAshi]

So they are gonna send US special forces to fight in ubran warfare in bekaa ?

are they serious or is this a joke?

I do believe it is a bluff, but they want Lebanon and Syria to hear it, alittle mental pressure on Assad, and for Assads puppet in Beirut, Lahoud.

[One?]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.

[UkrainianAmerican]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

[One?]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

[UoUo]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those ****ing hizbulla..and he wish he's country will **** them?

[EvanL]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those f*** hizbulla..and he wish he's country will f*** them?
He didnt mean racist, he was stating that what he says is either racist or immature. This one being the latter. Attention to detail.
lech zayen para ;)

[UoUo]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those f*** hizbulla..and he wish he's country will f*** them?
He didnt mean racist, he was stating that what he says is either racist or immature. This one being the latter. Attention to detail.
lech zayen para ;)

lol

Are you telling me to **** a cow? :D

[S'13]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those f*** hizbulla..and he wish he's country will f*** them?
He didnt mean racist, he was stating that what he says is either racist or immature. This one being the latter. Attention to detail.
lech zayen para ;)

Getting more Hebrew lessons from your Israeli friend I see... :lol:

[EvanL]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those f*** hizbulla..and he wish he's country will f*** them?
He didnt mean racist, he was stating that what he says is either racist or immature. This one being the latter. Attention to detail.
lech zayen para ;)

Getting more Hebrew lessons from your Israeli friend I see ;)
Whats the point of only knowing one language? That would make the world boring.

[UoUo]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those f*** hizbulla..and he wish he's country will f*** them?
He didnt mean racist, he was stating that what he says is either racist or immature. This one being the latter. Attention to detail.
lech zayen para ;)

Getting more Hebrew lessons from your Israeli friend I see ;)
Whats the point of only knowing one language? That would make the world boring.

What city in israel your friend come from?

[EvanL]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare.
*cough*carpetbombing*cough*
The air is very dry around here...

do you ever have anything informative to say? or are all your comments racist and immature. You're jokes aren't funny anymore :)

Why racist? cuz he hate those f*** hizbulla..and he wish he's country will f*** them?
He didnt mean racist, he was stating that what he says is either racist or immature. This one being the latter. Attention to detail.
lech zayen para ;)

Getting more Hebrew lessons from your Israeli friend I see ;)
Whats the point of only knowing one language? That would make the world boring.

What city in israel your friend come from?
Outside of Tel-Aviv. I cant remember the name but its impossible to spell.

[S'13]

Outside of Tel-Aviv. I cant remember the name but its impossible to spell.

Ramat Gan, Givatayim, Petach Tikva, Bnei-Brak, Bat Yam, Herzliya, Ramle, Lod and Rishon Lezion.

Take your pick...

[SeanAshi]

they know this bluff won't work. IDF soldeirs will tell you why it wont work, they have enough experience with urban warfare, especialy lebanese urban warfare
Assad is feeling the pressure, that why is saying he is serious about peace, even though we know he's not.
While were takling about insults in hebrew i've always liked, ben shell elef zonah, ;)

[One?]

ben shell elef zonah

does that translate to ibin il sharmouta?

Sensahi: The valley is no like tora bora. The area is more of an urban valley. Alot of civilians up there so the idea of sending troops is just funny IMO.

Its like saying lets send bin laden to NYC. You know what I mean? Thinking about it is just funny. I mean if they threatened to invade syria thats a different story. Then yes maybe he will be pressured.

[EvanL]

Outside of Tel-Aviv. I cant remember the name but its impossible to spell.

Ramat Gan, Givatayim, Petach Tikva, Bnei-Brak, Bat Yam, Herzliya, Ramle, Lod and Rishon Lezion.

Take your pick...
Rishon Lezion sounds most familliar. I know its something zion. So thats most likely it.

[SeanAshi]

ibin il sharmouta?

mah?

[UoUo]

ben shell elef zonah

does that translate to ibin il sharmouta?

Sensahi: The valley is no like tora bora. The area is more of an urban valley. Alot of civilians up there so the idea of sending troops is just funny IMO.

Its like saying lets send bin laden to NYC. You know what I mean? Thinking about it is just funny. I mean if they threatened to invade syria thats a different story. Then yes maybe he will be pressured.

Yes. "ben sel elef zona" meaning "ibin il sharmouta"

But no 1 "sharmouta" a thousand "sharmouta"

You understand what i saying?