Land Warrior

[Seraphim]

Video is near the top, middle area.

http://exn.ca/dailyplanet/

[Operation Ivy]

Thats some sweet stuff woot ...any other countries have any programs like Land Warrior and Future Warrior?

[kinghk]

Thats some sweet stuff woot ...any other countries have any programs like Land Warrior and Future Warrior?

About every country in the industrialized world.

[stateofequilibrium]

sweeet.. I want a future warrior for christmas!! :-D

[wholagun]

they said that they want future warrior system out to all unit by 2020, but yet they will only begin issueing Land Warrior in 2010. Is it really realistic to equip all units of the military with Land Warrior in only 10 years? And then get rid of it just like that cause you have future warrior system. (thats gotta cost a **** load) You guys better pray you don't get a democrat in the White House any time soon.

[Ratamacue]

According to their hopes, Land Warrior will be issued in 2006, Force Warrior in 2010, and Future Warrior in 2020. Land Warrior is really a program leading up to Force Warrior, so my guess is that the entire Army is not meant to be outfitted with Land Warrior.

[Javehn]

IDF Land Warrior (or as it called in Israel , Future soldier) -


http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tar-oicw.jpg

[mustamato]

Thats some sweet stuff woot ...any other countries have any programs like Land Warrior and Future Warrior?

About every country in the industrialized world.

Exactly.

The swedish is one is MARKUS (Markstridsutrustad soldat) below. There is a computer on his chest, on the weapon there is a camera and before his eyes he will have kind of a HUD so that the he can aim the weapon around corners and stuff without exposing himself. The computer is connected to rest of the swedish defence forces that is in the change to a network-based structure. Meaning that information can be given to the commanders and between the soldiers immediately so that they can lead/fight the battle more effectively.

Some of the equipment from the project has already been taken to use, such as the equipment vest, some of the other things as the Aimpoints are in the near future (have been ordered), while there is still a long way to go for some of the other things.

http://www.mss.mil.se/taktik/images/local/striteke-markus1.jpg

[venture160]

holy crap i just read the natick labs report on future warrior. its absolutely insane, its like reading a science fiction movie. basicly, by 2010, troops will be able to do everything an apache helicopter can do from the ground!!!

[mustamato]

holy crap i just read the natick labs report on future warrior. its absolutely insane, its like reading a science fiction movie. basicly, by 2010, troops will be able to do everything an apache helicopter can do from the ground!!!

And you belive in that? :roll:
__________________

I like this one, US "Objective force warrior". rofl

http://www.mss.mil.se/taktik/images/local/objforwar1.jpg

[Ratamacue]

Can I ask what's so funny?

[venture160]

sure in 10-20 years I do believe that. Nanotechnology is advancing quickly and so is fuel cell technology. Its not that far off

[Operation Ivy]

Can I ask what's so funny?

He's just jealous :D

[mustamato]

Can I ask what's so funny?

Sure you can.

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/crew.jpg

[Ratamacue]

Last I remember, Star Trek doesn't have guys with heavy armor or weaponry. I think a better comparison would be the Colonial Marines from Aliens.

[mustamato]

Last I remember, Star Trek doesn't have guys with heavy armor or weaponry. I think a better comparison would be the Colonial Marines from Aliens.

Maybe he is one of the bad guys? Klingon or borg.

[Uncle Sam]

I was very fortunate to be able to test some of this stuff when it was just a "baby"

[REMOV]

I think a better comparison would be the Colonial Marines from Aliens.... especially as the mock-up weapon shown in hand of some models of Future Warrior was very similar to M41A ;)

[venture160]

here are the most recent photo's from general dynamics and natick labs who were awarded the contract

http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/pubs/warrior/02/septoct/ofwpage7.jpg

http://www.army.mil/aps/2003/images/resource/OFW.jpg

http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/pubs/warrior/03/julyaug/fwsideaim1.jpg

http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/pubs/warrior/03/julyaug/fwtotalfront1.jpg

http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/pubs/warrior/03/julyaug/fwback1.jpg

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Jun2002/020523-D-9880W-068.jpg

http://www.generaldynamics.com/prod_serv/combat/OFW/General%20Dynamics%20OFW%20Soldier%20Ensemble%20(standing).jpg

http://www.generaldynamics.com/prod_serv/combat/OFW/General%20Dynamics%20OFW%20Soldier%20Ensemble%20(shooting).jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/general_dynamics/ofw_raas.jpg
one of the new robotic tanks designed for use with Force Warrior

[Operation Ivy]

Any idea what those guns are in the first 4 photos

[REMOV]

Any idea what those guns are in the first 4 photosThey are only dummy weapons, thats all.

[He219]

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2003250335,00.gif



Land Warrior:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior-mout.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior-lwc.jpg

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/landwarrior1.jpg

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2001/200105094b.jpg


Infanterist der Zukunft:

http://www.bwb.org/Vorhaben/IDZ/IdZ1.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/sofidz5.jpg

http://www.bwb.org/Vorhaben/IDZ/IdZ2.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/sofidz7.JPG

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/sofidz4.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/sofidzteste.jpg

http://www.tm.tno.nl/smp/lotens2/img005.jpg

FIST:

http://www.tm.tno.nl/smp/lotens2/img007.jpg

Felin:

http://www.tm.tno.nl/smp/lotens2/img006.jpg

China:


http://www.pladaily.com.cn/item/sjyb2000/photo/jzs/j002.jpg

http://www.pladaily.com.cn/item/sjyb2000/photo/qtf/ql003.jpg

http://www.pladaily.com.cn/item/sjyb2000/photo/zl/zl010.jpg

And their new stuff Here (http://www.sinodefence.com/c4i/candc/digital.asp)...

[venture160]

its also going to be implemented with the Future Combat System with a whole new generation of vehicles that are 100% integrated with robotic drones for intelligence etc This stuff is from the boeing website, they won the contract for it

http://www.uniteddefense.com/i/prod/nlos_cannon.jpg
http://www.uniteddefense.com/i/cap/27T_FCS_T.jpg
http://www.uniteddefense.com/i/cap/27U_FCS_W.jpg

[mustamato]

And what does the chinese have on their helmet?

[venture160]

btw LAND WARRIOR RIGHT NOW IS CANCELED it failed to meet performance requirements when the US Army Rangers found that the range of the radio was ineffective, and the entire program is being reformatted. its going tobe some time before we see this the program is now called Land Warrior-Stryker Interoperable

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1152

LOL one of the major problems was its operating system WINDOWS 2000!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH what crap!!! they have now moved to a complete LINUX platform,

[Kitsune]

I do not mean to offend anyone, but Americans have a tendencany to get carried away when it comes to technology. I just say "S.D.I." :roll:

"Future Warrior", a exoskeleton wearing soldier with artificial musclefibers and chameleon skin is to be ready in 2020? Well...I may be wrong but...do not count on it. This all is pretty cool (not that original...you could read about this in SF novels years ago) but it is simply to far out. If this indeed will be the soldier of the future, then Future warrior is more stuff of 2050+

"LandWarrior" and "Force Warrior" are more realistic. There will be three main changes:

1)Equiping every soldier with Body armor

2)Giving him night sight ability

3)Most important: Having him equipped with communication equipment

The Armed Forcers of the Future will form a "Tactical Network" of which each vehicle or unit and finally every single fighting soldier will be a part.
But this will be a lenghty process, the amount of units in the TacNet, how tightly it is woven and the ammount of information that is transferred will be increased with each successive step of technological improvement. And this will be the main changes until 2030, I think. In fact, I think *prophecy mode on* it will be enough of a change for todays armed forces, because ultimately the standing of the common soldier will change. I believe that armies of the future will have less personnel, especially fighting personnel but those who exist will be well trained specialists, more like SF like soldiers of today. And because of this I think many things which are "typical military" nowadays (and have been for the last decades) will have to change. And this will cause some difficulties.
What will happen after 2030? I don't know. There are limitless possibilities: Chameleon surfaces, artificial muscle fibers, power armor exoskeletons, biomodified soldiers, microbot-swarms, guns that shoot self controlling projectils, orbital mounted lasers, nanotechnology, combat drones, robot mules..*prophecy mode off*
Who knows ? But for the next decades this will stay Science Fiction.


P.S. This:
the entire program is being reformatted. its going tobe some time before we see this the program is now called Land Warrior-Stryker Interoperable sounds just like the German "Infanterist der Zukunft" system, whos idea was from the start to create a team of around 8 soldiers who operate from a vehicle. Hehe.

[venture160]

Right on, I think most of these programs are merely outlines of what needs to be researched, and in case of a new major conflict, research can be sped up to meet these needs. People say 2050, but During WWII SO MANY advancements were made, I believe that it takes a large scale conflict to advance military technology, otherwise it will just grow at a snails pace

[Dennis G]

What do you think people in countries like afghanistan are going to think when US or any other Soldiers arrive looking like something from starship troopers dont you think that we will lose some of the credibility or trust of people in the 3rd world?

[Ratamacue]

Kitsune: Future Warrior is really a "stretch" program, to see what the military can come up with and how advanced things can get within the next 15-20 years. My guess is that the program will remain in place but will continually evolve as technologies are/aren't developed for it. Powered exoskeletons are already being researched by DARPA, and the only real obstacle (and it is a large one) is finding a power source for it, be it electric, hydraulic, pneumatic, whatever.

[He219]

The Future Warrior concept is an excercise in thinking 'outside the box', kitsune. That may be a bit challenging for some.

S.D.I undermined the Soviet Military Industrial complex. We now call it Ballistic Missile Defense (http://raytheonmissiledefense.com/matrix/movies/intercept.asx).

:D

[Maverick77]

Land Warrior looks nice but all that other **** is tottally un needed. Especially those robotic tanks I would not want to be on a battlefield with a robot.

also all this **** will be a MASSIVE waste of money

[Ratamacue]

Soldiers fight with unmanned aircraft, and most seem to think very highly of them. Why are you so against unmanned tanks?

[Skaman]

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/general_dynamics/ofw_raas.jpg

What in the world is this???

[Ratamacue]

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/general_dynamics/ofw_raas.jpg

What in the world is this???

An RC car for big boys. :D

[Skaman]

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/general_dynamics/ofw_raas.jpg

What in the world is this???

An RC car for big boys. :D

I need one of these to keep the neighbours dog off my lawn....

[Operation Ivy]

Soldiers fight with unmanned aircraft, and most seem to think very highly of them. Why are you so against unmanned tanks?

U need to see Terminator :P

[Ratamacue]

Unmanned vehicles aren't the same as automated vehicles. Unmanned simply means that someone way off elsewhere is controlling it remotely, automated means that a computer program (AI) is controlling the vehicle.

[Operation Ivy]

Well......u got me there...damn u :-*$ :D

[Maverick77]

I want to be able to look over and know there are men like me in there fighting in the battle beside me feeling and seeing the same things as me.

Not some asshole controlling it a few KM away.

[Ratamacue]

So you'd rather have a crew in a tank get killed from a missile than have the tank lost but the crew perfectly safe elsewhere?

Also, by removing the crew's fear of death, they will not only survive battle situations but they will also be able to think more clearly and work more efficiently in the heat of battle.

[venture160]

that tank has the new "metal storm" automatic fire system, which is friggen sweet, it fires at a million rounds a minute

[Maverick77]

A well trained soldier on the battlefield will be 1000 times better than someone off the battlefield controlling a robot.

that will never change.

As for getting killed

it happens

[Falco]

Won't a radio controlled weapon lack some of the situation awarness that a soldier has on the field? And also, how much will these new toys costs?

[Ratamacue]

A well trained soldier on the battlefield will be 1000 times better than someone off the battlefield controlling a robot.

that will never change.

As for getting killed

it happens

A well-trained soldier on the battlefield is useless if he gets killed. That will never change. As for getting killed, unmanned vehicles can prevent that. A person sitting in a pod somewhere in a base controlling a tank has the same controls at his fingertips as someone in the actual tank and pretty much the same situational awareness, which tanks aren't known for in the first place.

[cut]

that tank has the new "metal storm" automatic fire system, which is friggen sweet, it fires at a million rounds a minute

and takes a million years to reload :P

[Maverick77]

im not gonna sit here and argue with someone about remote controlled tanks .

All I can say is I hope I never have to serve with them.

[Ratamacue]

It's funny how whenever you argue about something on this forum, you always give up it seems. Maybe you should actually try for once.

[Maverick77]

Why where does arguing on the internet about remote controlled tanks get you.

What does it accomplish.

''Maybe I should try for Once"

this is the internet maybe you should get a ****in life.

[Ratamacue]

I don't see how I "don't have a life." How does having a simple debate on the internet forum qualify me as "not having a life?"

What does debating about remote-controlled tanks get us? Nothing fancy. But really neither do any of the conversations on this forum when it all boils down, so I guess we'd better shut down this forum.

[He219]

Some FELIN images:

http://www.giat-industries.fr/images/EtudesGiatIndustries/doss_felin_03.jpghttp://www.giat-industries.fr/images/EtudesGiatIndustries/doss_felin_01.jpghttp://www.giat-industries.fr/images/EtudesGiatIndustries/doss_felin_05.jpg
http://www.giat-industries.fr/images/img_prod/2vi_prod_infanter_02.jpghttp://www.giat-industries.fr/images/EtudesGiatIndustries/doss_felin_06.jpghttp://www.giat-industries.fr/images/img_prod/2vi_prod_infanter_01.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/assault/famas_g2felin.jpg

FAMAS-FELIN system prototype (2001). Modified FAMAS G2 rifle fitted with electronic day/night optical sight, laser rangefinder and an interface to the other soldier equipment, such as helmet-mounted display (HMD).


Some FIST (Future Integrated Soldier Technology) images:

http://www.mod.uk/img/images/[(1445)-16-02-2001]soldier.jpghttp://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist15.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist12.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist16.jpg
http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffisttwsiw.jpg
SA-80 with Thermal Weapons Sight

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist02.jpghttp://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist04.jpghttp://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist06.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist05.jpghttp://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist03.jpg
F2000 LSW
http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffistgliw1.jpg
F2000 GLIW

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist17.jpg
F2000IW
http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist09.jpghttp://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist08.jpg
http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist07.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffisthmd2.jpg
Helmet Mounted Displays

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist14.jpg

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffistcrusader.jpg
Crusader 21 program with test uniforms - looks like Svenska Camo ;)

Few details of Crusader 21 are known, but some materials are being considered for the potential to minimize
the clothes layers, of which eight in service in system CS95 exist.

[Falco]

Are you referring to the F2000 built by FN or a modified version of the SA80 in the captions of the pictures posted above?

[AFG]

the only thing i liked about that video for the land warrior was the body armor. too much mechanical things can have too much possibilites for malfunctions...

[HumanShield]

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist12.jpg
wheres the damn gun?

[stuntman]

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffist07.jpgI was wondering what kind of (new)body armor is the soldier who is in the rear or standing wearing? Plus aren't the French going to issue a popov with there land warrior type program?

[Russian Texan]

Are you sure that they are looking in the right direction? I mean all those hight tech gizmos are really cool and might even work occasionally but what if batteries die, what if it rains, snows, mud, dirt, sun, dust, hot, cold, EMP, etc. In the end there are too many things that can go wrong in the actual battlefield, for Gods sake, they can't even make M-16 work all the time, and you are talking about "walking computers"...

I believe that they need to concentrate on a soldier himself, something akin to "Universal soldier" stuff. Recently I came across very interesting article about such program (it is in russian though)

http://www.kp.ru/daily/23195/25900/

Basically this guy
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo_15472.jpg (military medic with bunch of scientific titles)

says that development of technologies for creating "super humans" started 30 years ago and now their graduates
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo_15471.jpg
are capable of fighting against four in a hand to hand combat, cover the distance of 80km on foot without any rest and after all that repeatedly hit "bulls eye" from 300 meters. If such soldier gets wounded he won't die or quit until his mission is complete.
In his interview he also mentioned that his "institution" have developed and successfully tested special "medication" that alows humans to survive for half an hour in 35 F water when normal humans won't even last for several minutes.
He says right now in Russia there are several "special closed scientific installations" that are working in the same field.
Pretty interesting stuff...

[OnTheRocks]

Are you sure that they are looking in the right direction? I mean all those hight tech gizmos are really cool and might even work occasionally but what if batteries die, what if it rains, snows, mud, dirt, sun, dust, hot, cold, EMP, etc. In the end there are too many things that can go wrong in the actual battlefield, for Gods sake, they can't even make M-16 work all the time, and you are talking about "walking computers"...

I believe that they need to concentrate on a soldier himself, something akin to "Universal soldier" stuff. Recently I came across very interesting article about such program (it is in russian though)

http://www.kp.ru/daily/23195/25900/

Basically this guy
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo_15472.jpg (military medic with bunch of scientific titles)

says that development of technologies for creating "super humans" started 30 years ago and now their graduates
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo_15471.jpg
are capable of fighting against four in a hand to hand combat, cover the distance of 80km on foot without any rest and after all that repeatedly hit "bulls eye" from 300 meters. If such soldier gets wounded he won't die or quit until his mission is complete.
In his interview he also mentioned that his "institution" have developed and successfully tested special "medication" that alows humans to survive for half an hour in 35 F water when normal humans won't even last for several minutes.
He says right now in Russia there are several "special closed scientific installations" that are working in the same field.
Pretty interesting stuff...

Now THIS is scary stuff!
I dont even know if I would want to meet someone like that on the street.

[TALOS]

Are you sure that they are looking in the right direction? I mean all those hight tech gizmos are really cool and might even work occasionally but what if batteries die, what if it rains, snows, mud, dirt, sun, dust, hot, cold, EMP, etc. In the end there are too many things that can go wrong in the actual battlefield, for Gods sake, they can't even make M-16 work all the time, and you are talking about "walking computers"...

I believe that they need to concentrate on a soldier himself, something akin to "Universal soldier" stuff. Recently I came across very interesting article about such program (it is in russian though)

http://www.kp.ru/daily/23195/25900/

Basically this guy
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo_15472.jpg (military medic with bunch of scientific titles)

says that development of technologies for creating "super humans" started 30 years ago and now their graduates
http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo_15471.jpg
are capable of fighting against four in a hand to hand combat, cover the distance of 80km on foot without any rest and after all that repeatedly hit "bulls eye" from 300 meters. If such soldier gets wounded he won't die or quit until his mission is complete.
In his interview he also mentioned that his "institution" have developed and successfully tested special "medication" that alows humans to survive for half an hour in 35 F water when normal humans won't even last for several minutes.
He says right now in Russia there are several "special closed scientific installations" that are working in the same field.
Pretty interesting stuff...
If thats even remotely true then I think we have reason to be worried. Genetic alteration for super soldiers?... not good.

[venture160]

Well im sure people have tried to develop biomedical enhancements for soldiers, who knows what the russians did to some poor soldier in testing, and for that matter, american soldiers as well. But the sheer complexity of it is mindboggling and to actually produce something with tangible results is doubtfull, although I dont think the russia or american military would make anything public if they had such technologies.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

IDF Land Warrior (or as it called in Israel , Future soldier) -


http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tar-oicw.jpg

The IDF and the Famas G2...thats news to me....

[venture160]

I dont see how some people dont like the new technology, it would be like saying you dont like the gatling gun because it takes away the glory of the full blown charge and picket lines.

[Ghostwolf]

The IDF and the Famas G2...thats news to me....
Nope, that's the TAR(Tavor Assault Rifle)-21, manufactured by IMI.

http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/assault/tar21.html
http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/I4.jpg
http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/I5.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tar-ops.jpg

[Durandal]

I do not mean to offend anyone, but Americans have a tendencany to get carried away when it comes to technology. I just say "S.D.I." :roll:

Damn them, with their men on the moon, B2 Bombers, F22s, TACAMs, and all that craziness!

[Seiyuuki]

Well im sure people have tried to develop biomedical enhancements for soldiers, who knows what the russians did to some poor soldier in testing, and for that matter, american soldiers as well. But the sheer complexity of it is mindboggling and to actually produce something with tangible results is doubtfull, although I dont think the russia or american military would make anything public if they had such technologies.

Steroid was first developed by Germany to enhance the performances of their soldier, I'm not sure, but I believe in WW2.

There is also studies that said the Viking's Berserker were basically warriors all dope up on some natural substances.

[Adri]

why not just by the whole colection of terminator movies ? rofl

btw, how many countries have a "futer soldier" program going ?
I know norway have one, but can't find any dig. photos
(and I don't have a scaner)

[Kitsune]

says that development of technologies for creating "super humans" started 30 years ago and now their graduates

are capable of fighting against four in a hand to hand combat, cover the distance of 80km on foot without any rest and after all that repeatedly hit "bulls eye" from 300 meters. If such soldier gets wounded he won't die or quit until his mission is complete.


And? I can do all these things, too. p-)






PS: Too bad...now that the Russians have testet their Super Soldiers and what to introduce them in greater numbers they have to wait fo another 30 years until those kids grow up... :( But it will do them no good. The Americans are cooperating with Extraterrestrials since 1952, which gave them the technology for the stealth bomber. They will introduce Plasma Rifles and Counter-Gravitation propelled tanks, soon. :D

[Kingpin]

Holy ****! Where is my lightsaber!! rofl rofl rofl

http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/pubs/warrior/03/julyaug/fwtotalfront1.jpg

[Kingpin]

I dont see how some people dont like the new technology, it would be like saying you dont like the gatling gun because it takes away the glory of the full blown charge and picket lines.

No. We talking about something different. About which approach better to choose: biotech (genetic alterations and so on) or non-biotech (nanotech, adv. electronics and so on)

[MaxPayne]

the soldiers on the last 2 pics look like they were the marines from aliens

[Operation Ivy]

I think Future Warrior is cool, and i think Kingy is jealous of it :D

[obd]

Also, I think it is important to note that the United States also continues to be interested in "natural enhancements" for the soldier. Russia is not the only one to study "super soldiers". The US continues to spend mucho $$ on programs dedicated to improving strength, endurance, hearing, eyesite, etc of the human to make him (or her) a better soldier. Also, with regards to Special Forces, the US military is studying very interesting techniques of training soldiers which make them far better at memorizing info. For example, ways of teaching soldiers multiple foreign languages through an almost hypnotic process has shown promise. So, the idea of a "universal soldier" is still very much alive in the United States (and I guess also in Russian though I doubt they now have the $$ for serious developement). Peace

[Ayura]

Does anyone know if UK will be introducing that sort of similar technology into our forces?

[Ratamacue]

A few nice images I found from the Natick site:

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/OBJ%20Force%20Warrior%209-2.jpg
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/OBJ%20Force%20Warrior%2010-2.jpg
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/OBJ%20Force%20Warrior%2011-2.jpg
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/OBJ%20Force%20Warrior%2016-2.jpg

[hedgehog]

That guy has "GEEK" written all over him! :P

[venture160]

nice job ratamacue, i looked all over and couldn't find those on the natick site? where were they?

[Ratamacue]

http://www.natick.army.mil/soldier/media/photo/index.htm

Scroll down the page a bit and there's a whole bunch there...watch out, they're ridiculously high-res. I had to resize them before posting.

[Uncle Sam]

Here's a few...

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/futuresoldier.jpg

This one is posted already...But looks way cool...
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/futuresoldier1.jpg

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/futuresoldier2.jpg

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/futuresoldier3.jpg

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/futuresoldier4.jpg

[venture160]

looks sweet

[Ghostwolf]

now that looks like the Stormtrooper from Star Wars.

[kinghk]

Here's a few...

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/futuresoldier.jpg


Looks like a bunch of sci-fi nerds at a costume party.

Normans (Norwegian modular artic network soldier)

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00024/Foredrag_370x260_24023a.jpg

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00004/soldatutrustning_mini_4506a.jpg

[REMOV]

http://www.thalesfist.com/images/normans.gif
Some NORMANS (NORwegian Modular Arctic Network Soldier) project pictures

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00016/NORMANS-demo_p__Rena_16305a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00016/NORMANS-demo_p__Rena_16306a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00012/Sunde_12593a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00011/Ny_soldat-front_11848a.jpg
http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00011/Ny_soldat-bakfra_11849a.jpg

[He219]

REMOV, what's this image of?

http://www.sistemasdearmas.hpg.ig.com.br/sof/soffistcrusader.jpg

What would 'Crusader 21' be?

Thank You!
:hug:

[SOG]

There is also studies that said the Viking's Berserker were basically warriors all dope up on some natural substances.

yeah, toxic shrooms with a gleam of murder in thier eyes. there was one shroom they ate that made berserkers nearly immune to cold for short periods of time and the remnants of the shroom were then smeared across thier faces aka war paint which is why they looked crazy. well, that and the huge axes and swinging genitals in sub zero weather. they usually werent liquored up as cold weather and alchohol dont mix too well.

alot of these future projects look homo gay although the ideas they are trying to present is cool. i think the designs are probably all still "future projections" that will get cut down to a few good features when the time comes to implement them.

[REMOV]

REMOV, what's this image of? What would 'Crusader 21' be?The Crusader 21 is clothing and protection program, pararell to the FIST, let's say it is research into the clothing aspects of FIST ;)

Crusader 21 program is tri-service and aims to develop technologies for land, sea and air forces developed by UK Defence Clothing and Textiles Agency (DCTA). Due to British officials it should go into service in ca. 2005. The goal is to give troops "more mobility, protection against chemical, biological and radiation threats and the ability to integrate with other equipment."

That image is some of propositions of new uniforms, that's all.


Source: http://research.dh.umu.se/dynamic/artiklar/heat/dresstokill.html
Dressed to kill
(20 Jul 96)

Tomorrow's combat troops will wear clothing as sophisticated as the weapons they carry, says Justin Mullins

IMAGINE the soldiers of the future, warriors who will be equipped with body computers, personal communicators and the very latest weapons and night sights. With the help of military communications satellites and aircraft, these soldiers will broadcast images of the battlefield to their commanding officers on the other side of the world. At the same time they can download digital maps of the surrounding area and view the latest reconnaissance images and videos as they are taken by spy satellites and uncrewed spy planes.

But while the technologies of the digital battlefield are sweeping through the armies of the Western world, a quieter revolution is underway in an area much closer to the average soldier's heart. At the Defence Clothing and Textiles Agency (DCTA) in Colchester, Essex, materials scientists are developing combat outfits for British troops of the future. And they have ambitious plans.

Global camouflage

Modern soldiers have to be prepared for chemical, biological and nuclear attacks, as well as being protected against the more conventional hazards of bullets, shrapnel and fires. They need to be camouflaged not only in visible light but also in the infrared and radio regions of the electromagnetic spectrum to keep them safe from night sights and radar. And their equipment must provide acoustic camouflage, too: it must be quiet to put on and wear. Clothing must keep soldiers cool during prolonged bouts of physical activity, and warm and dry afterwards. And as if all this were not tough enough for the designers, the garments must be weatherproof, durable, comfortable to wear-oh, and washable too.

The DCTA's past designs have used an onion skin approach to protect troops-lots of layers, each one contributing a particular characteristic or function. But with too many layers, a soldier starts to look like Michelin man, and is about as handy on the battlefield. So the trick is to combine as many functions as possible in a single layer. For example, modern military underpants draw sweat away from the skin to keep the wearer dry, while holding a layer of air in contact with the skin to act as thermal insulation. And the linings of camouflage jackets are coated with particles of carbon that can absorb the chemicals used in biological, nuclear and chemical attacks. By using different combinations of layers, soldiers can equip themselves for battle in conditions ranging from humid jungle heat to dry arctic cold.

So how few layers can you get away with? The British Army's Combat Soldier 95 system, introduced last year, has cut the number to eight, thanks to advances such as the high-tech underpants. But the next generation of clothes must have fewer layers. The DCTA's goal is to reduce the number to three in a clothing system known as Crusader 21, which will replace the current outfits in 2005. But squeezing all the functions of modern battledress and more into these layers will be tough. "We must push clothing technology to its limits," says Richard Scott, the chief scientist at the agency's science and technology division.

Perhaps ironically, the main threat to soldiers on the battlefield is the weather, says Scott. "More soldiers have died from hypothermia and exposure than in battle." The DCTA is developing smart materials in which the level of insulation can be varied so that they can be used all year round.

"Air is the major insulator in clothing," says Colin Lowe, director of the agency's science and technology division. "So we're looking at ways to change the amount of air trapped in a single layer." The simplest approach is to build inflatable pouches into a garment. These would be blown up manually by the soldier or by small pressurised cylinders of carbon dioxide. "It may even be possible to develop sensors that monitor the external temperature and adjust the level of insulation accordingly," says Lowe.

Another possibility is to use artificial fur with fibres that rise and fall according to the temperature. In the DCTA's laboratories, Scott reaches for a swatch of material of his own design. It is a 3D textile in which two conventional layers are separated by strong fibres about 2 centimetres long. With the fibres erect, the material provides as much insulation as a thin duvet.

"But watch," says Scott, holding up the textile so that the fibres are clearly visible. Taking a firm grip on the outer layers he pulls them in opposite directions, forcing fibres in between to lie flat. Collapsing the fabric cuts its insulation by a factor of four to about twice the level of an ordinary business suit. "In a real garment, you would apply the force using Velcro or zips that pull the layers in opposite directions," he explains.

The agency's laboratories are now testing the material's thermal insulation properties, and Scott says a prototype garment will be evaluated over the next year or two.

Comfort also looms large in the design of fire-resistant clothing, which in the past has tended to be bulky and awkward. "For 99 per cent of the time, soldiers don't need it anyway," says Scott. "What we're looking for is a smart material that sits passively in the clothing without interfering with comfort and becomes heat resistant only when there is fire."

The team is investigating a class of substances that swell and char at high temperature to form a thick protective layer. "An increase in thickness of only a few millimetres can provide up to 30 seconds of protection," says Scott. "This will save lives." For longer-lasting fires there is little that clothing can do, he explains, as the respiratory system becomes damaged by hot gases.

The "intumescent" materials being developed by the agency contain chemicals that work rather like the ingredients in a cake. For example, baking soda contains sodium bicarbonate, which decomposes during cooking to form carbon dioxide. And because this gas is trapped in the dough, the cake rises. In the context of materials science, ingredients that do the job of baking soda are known as blowing agents, and the dough is replaced by carbonaceous materials that trap gases and burn to form a protective layer of carbon.

In a cake, this process takes 40 minutes at gas mark 5. For a soldier trapped in a fire it must be completed in a second or two. So intumescent materials also contain catalysts to trigger the blowing agent at the desired temperature. But setting the triggering temperature is far from easy. "You don't want it to trigger on a hot day or in the washing machine," says Scott. "And if the triggering temperature is too high you could end up protecting a corpse," adds Lowe.

Chameleon effect

Another way to protect against heat is by reflecting it away. By way of demonstration, Scott picks up a piece of green material, pulls out a lighter and holds the flame against it. Immediately, it turns white. He says the change occurs in nanoseconds. When the flame is removed the material returns to its original colour, unmarked.

This trick relies on a thermochromic dye with a molecular structure made of several benzene-like rings. Its colour depends on the arrangement of double bonds around each ring. As the temperature rises, a reversible reaction rearranges some of the double bonds and the molecule loses its colour. The problem for the design team is to produce the range of colours required by the Army and fix them to the material. "We can get pastel shades and green but we haven't got the blacks or browns needed for camouflage," says Scott.

Camouflage itself represents one of the toughest challenges on the modern battlefield. The most difficult are radar camouflage and masking the soldier's thermal image at far-infrared frequencies. Thin metallised coatings can help with thermal signatures. But a soldier covered in metal stands out like a beacon at radar frequencies. "And then there are the face and hands," says Scott. "This one will be difficult."

The team has ten years to get it right, but even then their work will not be finished. Scott is already looking towards protecting troops from the next generation of weapons, such as powerful adhesives and super lubricants that temporarily immobilise soldiers. "But we don't yet know how we'll do it," he adds with a shrug.

Justin Mullins
From New Scientist magazine, vol 151 issue 2039, 20/07/1996, page 24

[Kitsune]

Yeah, I think something like this is more likely to be exspected for the near future. And its about damn time that the common soldiers clothing is reworked, anyway.

[kinghk]

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00016/NORMANS-demo_p__Rena_16305a.jpg


The female is the defence minister, not a real soldier. She usally mix civilian and military clothing, this apperance is not an execption.

[He219]

Thanks REMOV!
:hug:


You are the military information resource!
Just like Clockwork.
:D