Today's Pix - Saturday, Sept. 3rd , 2005

[He219]

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Louisiana State Police officers roll in an armored vehicle by lines of Hurricane Katrina evacuees before the National Guard delivered food and water to the people stranded near the convention center Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Houston Chronicle, Brett Coomer)
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Louisiana State Police officers stop a car in downtown New Orleans, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The occupants of the car were searched and then let go. (AP Photo/Houston Chronicle, Brett Coomer)
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New Orleans police officers guard the buses used to transport people from the Louisiana Superdome to the Houston Astrodome on Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005, days after Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans. (AP Photo/The Dallas Morning News, Michael Ainsworth)
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Soldiers with Louisiana Army National Guard take position while providing security for evacuees during aftermath relief efforts following Hurricane Katrina, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005, in New Orleans. On Thursday, National Guard, state and local police were deployed from search-and-rescue operations specifically to restore order to the city. (AP Photo/Army Times, M. Scott Mahaskey)
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Baton Rouge Police Dept. Captain Ernest Rhodes, left, advises the department's Special Response Team members including Cpl. Freddie Burton, center, who has his gear readied by Cpl. Tommy Dewey, right, as they assemble near the parking garages for the Baton Rouge River Center, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005. The team, plus members of an East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Department force were gearing up for a sweep of downtown Baton Rouge, where reports of car break-ins and possible looting triggered their deployment,as some of the large number of Hurricane Katrina evacuees from New Orleans caused worries to downtown Baton Rouge businesses and governmental workers. (AP Photo/The Advocate, Travis Spradling)
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A SWAT team passes Hurricane Katrina survivors at the Convention Center waiting to be evacuated from New Orleans, La., Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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A SWAT team patrols the street in front of the Convention Center in New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The soldiers' arrival-in-force came amid angry complaints from the mayor and others that the federal government had bungled the relief effort and let people die in the streets for lack of food, water or medicine. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Heavily armed members of the New Orleans police department patrol past Harrah's Casino in the downtown area of the flooded city on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of the storm. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Heavily armed members of the New Orleans police department patrol on Canal Street in the besieged Crescent city on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. Police Superintendent Eddie Compass said "Now we have the manpower that we need to feed these people". (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Heavily armed members of the New Orleans police department patrol past Harrah's Casino in the downtown area of the flooded city on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Coast Guard sailors patrol the street in front of the Convention Center in New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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Wisconsin National Guard military police officers board a military plane Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, in Madison, Wis., for transport to Louisiana in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/The Capital Times, Henry A. Koshollek)
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An unidentified Air Force sergeant stands guard outside Harrah's Casino in the flooded city of New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Military police from the U.S. Air Force take up positions near the ferry ramp in downtown New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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A Hurricane Katrina refugee confronts a solider demanding to get answers to why food has not come for him and everyone at the New Orleans Convention Center Friday, Friday, Sept. 2005. (AP Photo/The Advocate, Richard Alan Hannon)
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A pair of men argue with an Air Force National Guardsman as he secures the area around the New Orleans Convention Center so food and water can be brought into the Hurricane Katrina evacuees on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Houston Chronicle, Brett Coomer)
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Lt. Gen. Russell Honore, left, yells to his troops as a convoy of food and water arrives in the flooded city of New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Spc. Chad Blocker with the Arkansas National Guard chats with Jermaine Williams, 11, after the military arrived for relief efforts at the New Orleans Convention Center in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005., in New Orleans. Blocker, who recently returned from Iraq, said, "This looks just like the streets of Baghdad, maybe even worse." (AP Photo/Chronicle, Melissa Phillip)

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Military troops aid a truck load of elderly victims of Hurricane Katrina outside the Convention Center in the besieged city of New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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A New Orleans police officer takes a well deserved nap on the hood of his car outside Harrah's Casino on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Hurricane Katrina victim Clifton Oxley, 83, is helped by Lt. Col. John Edwards of the Arkansas National Guard, as relief efforts begin at the New Orleans Convention Center, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Houston Chronicle, Brett Coomer)
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Hurricane Katrina victim Nita LaGarde, 105, holds hands with Tanisha Blevin, 5, as they are evacuated from the convention center to a helicopter in New Orleans, La., Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005. After days of waiting, hunderds of people were evacuated from the city by bus and helicopter. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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National Gurad Spcl. Shawn Lundy helps a Hurricane Katrina victim evacuate to a bus from the Convention Center in New Orleans, La., Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005. After days of waiting, hundreds of people were evacuated from the city by bus and helicopter. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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A military helicopter flies overhead as crews work to fill the broken levee on the 17th street canal in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Saturday morning, Sept. 3, 2005. (AP Photo/The Dallas Morning News, Smiley N. Pool)
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Fans are searched by Carabinieri (Italian para-military policemen) as they arrive in Via Dei Fori Imperiali to watch British Pop star Elton John's free concert in front of Rome's Colosseum, Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)
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Bundesinnenminister Otto Schily, links, und der Chef des Bundeskriminalamts, Joerg Ziercke, am Freitag, 2. September 2005, wahrend des Richtfests fuer das neue BKA-Gebaeude in Wiesbaden. (AP Photo/Michael Probst) ---German Interior Minister Otto Schily, left, and the chief of German Federal Criminal Police Office, Joerg Ziercke are seen during the topping-out ceremony for the new building of the German Federal Criminal Police Office in Wiesbaden, central Germany, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. (AP Photo/Michael Probst)
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Police forces prepare to evacuate Africans from a squatted building in the 14th Paris district, early Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. Paris police on Friday were evacuating about 140 people from buildings deemed dangerous fire hazards, responding to a new Interior Ministry order to shut down all havens for squatters. The squats were the first among 60 buildings considered unsafe and set for closure by authorities after a fire swept through a run-down building in central Paris on Monday, killing seven Africans. (AP Photo/Christophe Ena)
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Police forces evacuate Africans from a squatted building in the 14th Paris district, early Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. Paris police on Friday were evacuating about 140 people from buildings deemed to be dangerous fire hazards, responding to a new Interior Ministry order to shut down all havens for squatters. The squats were the first among 60 buildings considered unsafe and set for closure by authorities after a fire swept through a run-down building in central Paris on Monday, killing seven Africans. (AP Photo/Christophe Ena)
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Steve Lynn, left, Y-12 firing range instructor, shows a remotely operated machine gun to the National Nuclear Security Administration deputy administrator Jerry Paul, right, at the Y-12 firing range in Oak Ridge, Tenn., Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005. The weapons, which is mounted in hardened cases that open like clam shells, have been deployed for the first time at the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant, and may soon be used at other nuclear bomb installations. (AP Photo/Knoxville News Sentinel, Michael Patrick)
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A diver from the U.N. investigators and Lebanese civil defense team gives directions to other divers before they jump into the water in search for possible evidence to be used in the Feb. 14 explosion that killed former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri near the Saint Georges Hotel's bay in Beirut, Lebanon, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. An investigating magistrate began Friday interrogating four pro-Syrian generals charged in the assassination of Hariri, Justice Ministry officials said. Lebanon's top prosecutor issued a preliminary criminal charge against the Lebanese generals late Thursday, just hours after they were accused by a top U.N. investigator of allegedly playing a role in planning the Feb. 14 bombing that killed Hariri and 20 others. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)
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A Lebanese police and members of the U.N investigating team, right, stop photographers at the entrence to the headquarters of the Lebanese branch of Syria's ruling Baath party in Beirut, Lebanon, Saturday Sept. 3, 2005. Kanso received Saturday four investigators at the party headquarters after he was summoned late Friday in his capacity as witness and questioned about his relationship with the four detained suspects and former Syrian security chiefs in Lebanon. The Arabic banner in the top reads:"The Arab Socialist Baath Party, the headquarters of the Lebanese branch."(AP Photo/Hussein Malla)
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An Israeli army soldier kicks a foreign activist before detaining him during clashes between soldiers and Palestinian and foreign demonstrators during a protest against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes. (AP Photo / Nasser Nasser)
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Soldiers search the site of an explosion in Makhachkala, the capital of the southern region of Dagestan, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A bomb apparently targeting the Russian military exploded in a pile of garbage in Makhachkala on Friday, killing four people and wounding seven others, police said. (AP Photo/NewsTeam, Dmitry Nikiforov)
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Serbia and Montenegro army Chief of Staff Gen. Dragan Paskas speaks to journalists at the change of Command ceremony in the KFOR headquarters in Kosovo capital Pristina on Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005. Paskas' presence at the ceremony angered Kosovo's government which issued a statement shortly after the ceremony expressing its deep resentment at the presence of the Serbia and Montenegro military delegation in the command handover. (AP Photo/Visar Kryeziu)
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A Portuguese commando patrols in an armored vehicle through the streets of Kabul, Aug. 30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)
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Portuguese commandos patrol in armored vehicles through the streets of Kabul, Tuesday Aug.30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO, which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)

[Digital Marine]

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Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

[Weasel]

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[Sir Zach of R.]

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Very powerful...

[MARINO]

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A Portuguese commando patrols in an armored vehicle through the streets of Kabul, Aug. 30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)
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Portuguese commandos patrol in armored vehicles through the streets of Kabul, Tuesday Aug.30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO, which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)


Nice too see Portuguese army using Spanish made Rebecos, woot Thanks Iberian brothers :hug:

[Bushman]

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x10 ! :bash:

[mountainbear]

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x10 ! :bash:

Well in my opinion he / she deserves each kick he / she gets!
Going to Palestine to try stopping Israel building a barrier that could protect its citizen is just plain stupid.
If I was in the soldier’s place I would feel a strong anger too.

[Digital Marine]

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:fork:

x10 ! :bash:

Well in my opinion he / she deserves each kick he / she gets!
Going to Palestine to try stopping Israel building a barrier that could protect its citizen is just plain stupid.
If I was in the soldier’s place I would feel a strong anger too.

Still unacceptable behaviour for a soldier, he is suposed to maintain order and set an example not to worsen it by kicking the **** out of an already on the ground protester

However, i don't know the story behind this pic.

[Conga]

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x10 ! :bash:

Well in my opinion he / she deserves each kick he / she gets!
Going to Palestine to try stopping Israel building a barrier that could protect its citizen is just plain stupid.
If I was in the soldier’s place I would feel a strong anger too.

No need to kick him/her

[Andeh]

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Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

[mountainbear]

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:fork:

x10 ! :bash:

Well in my opinion he / she deserves each kick he / she gets!
Going to Palestine to try stopping Israel building a barrier that could protect its citizen is just plain stupid.
If I was in the soldier’s place I would feel a strong anger too.

Still unacceptable behaviour for a soldier, he is suposed to maintain order and set an example not to worsen it by kicking the **** out of an already on the ground protester

However, i don't know the story behind this pic.

Firstly these soldiers are probably reservists, so you can’t ask and expect of them the same level of self-control as for a professional soldier.
Secondly this is not a case of peace maintaining in a foreign county but an operation that directly serve the protection of the people of the country these soldiers are from.
I don’t think anyone would have the same comportment with some people who don’t let you protect some random people from the country you’re maintaining the peace in or your own family!

[DnA]

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x10 ! :bash:

Well in my opinion he / she deserves each kick he / she gets!
Going to Palestine to try stopping Israel building a barrier that could protect its citizen is just plain stupid.
If I was in the soldier’s place I would feel a strong anger too.

Still unacceptable behaviour for a soldier, he is suposed to maintain order and set an example not to worsen it by kicking the **** out of an already on the ground protester

However, i don't know the story behind this pic.

Firstly these soldiers are probably reservists, so you can’t ask and expect of them the same level of self-control as for a professional soldier.


Reserve or not, your still a professional soldier, an are still held to the same standards as those who are full time.

Also, aren't all reservists ex full time soldiers? I believe in Israel, once you've done your first contract(when you get drafted) you can either stay full time, or quit, but you have to be in the reserves for a few years after.

[American Patriot]

Doesn't look like it hurt. Just a bruised ego for the protestor.

[Howie Kaluha]

Good pics woot

[RP]

mountainbear wrote
Firstly these soldiers are probably reservists, so you can’t ask and expect of them the same level of self-control as for a professional soldier.
Secondly this is not a case of peace maintaining in a foreign county but an operation that directly serve the protection of the people of the country these soldiers are from.
I don’t think anyone would have the same comportment with some people who don’t let you protect some random people from the country you’re maintaining the peace in or your own family!

1. Those are defiently not reservists - look at thier gear, if you know something about it you'll easly thier not reservist.
2. Even if they are (which they aren't), not only that you can expect them for the same level of self-control, but you should expect for a much higher level. Remeber that unlike most IDF soldiers which are usually in the age of 18-22, reservist are much older, many of them already have family and they are no longer a hot minded teenagers.
3. I can't tell if it was justified since we don't know the whole story, but unfortuantly, in most cases we find out that it wasn't neccery :/ (I hope this isn't the case)

***I serve in the IDF, and been to a similar situations and I do belive that our army have the highest moral standarts (much higher then many so called "cultured" countries), but still, such things shouldn't happend unless there was no other option.

[mohawkALSE]

I wish there were some later shots from today posted from the live videos on Fox News and stuff. The interstate where the helicopter airlift is being conducted has US Army Special Forces personnel providing landing zone security and commo operations while 4th Inf Div UH-60s and USAF Special Ops MH-53s are evacuation people. Many different units down there helping out. I was shocked when I saw the guys with the SF shoulder sleave insignia some recent combat veterns with the combat patch. God bless all those down in LA and helping out

[He219]

I do believe they are border police ...

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An Israeli army soldier kicks a foreign activist before detaining him during clashes between soldiers and Palestinian and foreign demonstrators during a protest against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes. (AP Photo/Nasser Nasser)

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Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

[Zarathustra]

Interesting pics.

[Ryan94]

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Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

Man, that's weird request...

[mountainbear]

RP
I don’t know if it was necessary, maybe I was mistaken on the statue of these soldiers and by reservist I meant draftee as opposed to professional soldier, but what I mean is that I understand his acts in the actual situation. What I don’t understand is these foreign protester especially those from the west countries!
And I totally agree on the high moral standards of the IDF and the Israeli nation, because after all it had to go through it still didn’t fall into chaos and turn into a violent repressive regime.

[ronin2172]

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Spc. Chad Blocker with the Arkansas National Guard chats with Jermaine Williams, 11, after the military arrived for relief efforts at the New Orleans Convention Center in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005., in New Orleans. Blocker, who recently returned from Iraq, said, "This looks just like the streets of Baghdad, maybe even worse." (AP Photo/Chronicle, Melissa Phillip)

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Military troops aid a truck load of elderly victims of Hurricane Katrina outside the Convention Center in the besieged city of New Orleans on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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A New Orleans police officer takes a well deserved nap on the hood of his car outside Harrah's Casino on Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. A huge military presence has arrived in the city, restoring order and bringing with them food and water to feed the thousands of victims of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)
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Hurricane Katrina victim Clifton Oxley, 83, is helped by Lt. Col. John Edwards of the Arkansas National Guard, as relief efforts begin at the New Orleans Convention Center, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Houston Chronicle, Brett Coomer)
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Hurricane Katrina victim Nita LaGarde, 105, holds hands with Tanisha Blevin, 5, as they are evacuated from the convention center to a helicopter in New Orleans, La., Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005. After days of waiting, hunderds of people were evacuated from the city by bus and helicopter. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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National Gurad Spcl. Shawn Lundy helps a Hurricane Katrina victim evacuate to a bus from the Convention Center in New Orleans, La., Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005. After days of waiting, hundreds of people were evacuated from the city by bus and helicopter. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)
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A military helicopter flies overhead as crews work to fill the broken levee on the 17th street canal in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Saturday morning, Sept. 3, 2005. (AP Photo/The Dallas Morning News, Smiley N. Pool)

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those are some of the most powerful images i have seen yet...good post He219

[ZeroZen]

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Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

This is a very powerful pic... FATZO ate all the damn food. :lol: rofl

Is this guy is on madatory PT?...

[grabie_bis]

didnt know URO exported VAMTAC`s to Portugal... nice to see "Viriatos" using Spanish stuff (notice also AGL LAG-40 on top of second vehicle). :hug:

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[Noob Brit]

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those are some of the most powerful images i have seen yet...good post He219

Yup. It really illustrates how the weakest and most vulnerable suffer the most. When people complain the city wasn't totally evacuated you just need to take one look at these people and realise they didn't have a chance :(

[UoUo]

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Who cares. :|

[Chet Mystery]

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Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

really, why are they in 3 colour? Are any of these straight from iraq?

Judging by him having a combat patch (unit patch worn on right arm), I would say yes, it is because they are just back from Iraq or A-stan.

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Palestinian demonstrators throw objects during against Israeli troops during clashes between Palestinian and foreign demonstrators and the Israeli army in the Palestinian village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes.(AP Photo/Nasser Nasser)

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A protester screams as Israeli troops fire tear gas during a demonstration against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin, near Ramallah.(AFP/Jamal Aruri)
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An Israeli soldier aims his rifle at protesters during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin September 2, 2005
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An Israeli soldier scuffles with a female protester during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin September 2, 2005.
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Israeli soldiers scuffle with a female protester during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin
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An Israeli soldier aims his rifle at protesters during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin September 2, 2005
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Backdropped with pictures of late Ahmed Yassin, the founder of the Islamic Palestinian group Hamas, and the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, two Israeli soldiers take position during clashes with foreign and Palestinian demonstrators protesting against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bi'lin near the West Bank city of Ramallah

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An Israeli army soldier kicks a foreign activist before detaining him during clashes between soldiers and Palestinian and foreign demonstrators during a protest against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes. (AP Photo/Nasser Nasser)
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A Palestinian man holds stones during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin September 2, 2005. Israel has frozen plans to build 1,000 new settler homes in the occupied West Bank near Jerusalem, a minister said on Friday, heeding U.S. opposition to a move Palestinians fear would deny them a viable state. *******/Goran Tomasevic
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Foreign activists try to prevent an army jeep from driving away, during clashes between Palestinian and foreign demonstrators and the Israeli army in the Palestinian village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah
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Israeli soldiers scuffle with a protester as he tries to stop an Israeli army vehicle during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin
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A Palestinian man runs after Israeli soldiers fire tear gas at protesters during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin September 2, 2005. Israel has frozen plans to build 1,000 new settler homes in the occupied West Bank near Jerusalem, a minister said on Friday, heeding U.S. opposition to a move Palestinians fear would deny them a viable state. *******/Goran Tomasevic

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Palestinian special forces are deployed in front of an Israeli tank to prevent youth from coming too close to the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, southern Gaza Strip September 3, 2005. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will meet this month, their first summit since Jewish settlers were evacuated from occupied Gaza, an Israeli newspaper said on Saturday. *******/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa
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Palestinian youth throw stones at special forces deployed to prevent them coming too close to the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, southern Gaza Strip September 3, 2005. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will meet this month, their first summit since Jewish settlers were evacuated from occupied Gaza, an Israeli newspaper said on Saturday. *******/Damir Sagolj
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A Palestinian boy rests in front of an Israeli tank guarding the Jewish settlement of Neve Dekalim, southern Gaza Strip September 3, 2005. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will meet this month, their first summit since Jewish settlers were evacuated from occupied Gaza, an Israeli newspaper said on Saturday. *******/Damir Sagolj
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Israeli soldiers watch a bulldozer destroy a house in the former Jewish settlement of Netzer Hazani. The Israeli military said it would complete its withdrawal from the Gaza Strip by September 15.(AFP/File/Menahem Kahana)

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A U.S. Army Chinook helicopter with Bravo Company 2-4 Aviation, 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, is reflected in the flood waters as its ccrew flies over a completely submerged vehicle, Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005 in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)
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A broken levee wall along with several sand bags weighing nearly 7,000 pounds are seen from a view aboard a U.S. Army Chinhook helicopter with Bravo Company 2-4 Aviation, 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, Saturday, Sept. 3, 2005 in New Orleans. The 4th Infantry Division along with other untis with sling load capabilities are picking up the sand bags, flying to the levee and dropping them in an attempt to fill the holes where the where levees have breached. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)
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US Army National Guard soldiers assist stranded victims of Hurricane Katrina outside the New Orleans Convention Center. Thousands of troops poured into the city to help with security and delivery of supplies in the wake of Hurricane Katrina(AFP/***** Images)
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A US National Guard hands out army rations to a handicapped man during a distribution of food and water outside the New Orleans Convention Center. Evacuations finally got into full swing five days after hurricane Katrina hit the city(AFP/Nicholas Kamm)
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Residents are rescued by helicopter from the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, Louisiana September 2, 2005. Army troops rolled in to try and restore order in New Orleans on Friday, finally bringing emergency supplies for desperate survivors of Hurricane Katrina after days of delays and broken promises. *******/David J. Phillip/Pool
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A US Military convoy drives through floodwaters from Hurricane Katrina in downtown New Orleans, Louisiana September 2, 2005. Army troops rolled in to try and restore order in New Orleans on Friday, finally bringing emergency supplies for desperate survivors of Hurricane Katrina after days of delays and broken promises. *******/David J. Phillip/Pool
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Residents, waiting to be evacuated, walk towards a helicopter which landed on Interstate 10 in New Orleans, Louisiana September 2, 2005. Army troops rolled in to try and restore order in New Orleans on Friday, finally bringing emergency supplies for desperate survivors of Hurricane Katrina after days of delays and broken promises. *******/David J. Phillip/Pool
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Ohio Army National Guardsman Staff Sgt. Michael Graver of Cleveland, guards an area near the Superdome, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005 in New Orleans in support of Hurricane Katrina relief operations. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari
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Chopper coming : Stranded Katrina victims protect themselves from the wind of a US Army helicopter landing on an overpass near the Superdome in New Orleans. (AFP/Nicholas Kamm)
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Army chaplain Capt. Thomas Holmes, left, and Spc. Jeffrey Madden, of Bravo Company 2-4 Aviation, 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, help rescue an unidentified victim of Hurricane Katrina, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005 in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)
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Two US army soldiers stand next to a helicopter waiting to evacuate stranded people on an overpass near the Superdome in New Orleans. Some 100 people were airlifted from the overpass to the city's airport from where they will transported by bus out of the state.(AFP/Nicholas Kamm)
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US army soldiers direct stranded people to board a helicopter on an overpass near the Superdome in New Orleans as evacuations got into full swing five days after Hurricane Katrina hit the city(AFP/Nicholas Kamm)
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U.S. Army flight surgeon Capt. Devry C. Anderson, of HHC 2-4 Aviation, 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, holds a small dog named Chip after it was rescued with its owner, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005 in New Orleans. To the left and right of Anderson are victims of Hurricane Katrina peering out the windows of the Chinook as he flies to a new land zone. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)

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Children from a nearby child care center wave to a convoy of Nebraska Army Guard from Omaha, Neb., as they set off Friday, Sept. 2. 2005, to assist the victims of Hurricane Katrina.(AP Photo/Nati Harnik)
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Troops from the New Hampshire Army and Air National Guard task force get ready to leave for New Orleans from Newington, N.H. Friday Sept. 2, 2005. About 75 troops, many of whom just returned from deployment overseas are headed to help security in the city. (AP Photo/Jim cole)
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Troops from the New Hampshire Army and Air National Guard task force get ready to leave for New Orleans from Newington, N.H., Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. About 75 troops, many of whom just returned from deployment overseas are headed to help security in the city in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. (AP Photo/Jim Cole)
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National Guardsmen from the Biloxi area load a pallet of ice into a U.S. Navy helicopter at the Gulf Port International Airport September 1, 2005. The Salvation Army is running out of food and supplies to help survivors of Hurricane Katrina, and fears 'donor fatigue' could put relief efforts at risk, a spokesman for the U.S. aid agency said on Friday.
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U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer Mitch Anderson, second from right, of Bravo Company 2-4 Aviation, 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, briefs his crew before boarding their Chinook helicopter Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, en route to various missions in support of the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in New Orleans. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)
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U.S. Army Spc. Jeffrey Madden of Bravo Company 2-4 Aviation, 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, sits on the ramp of a Chinook helicopter, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, as they fly over the outskirts of New Orleans en route to various missions in support of the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.(AP Photo Haraz N. Ghanbari)

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A fire burns on the east side of New Orleans early Friday morning, Sept. 2, 2005. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrine, firefighters say they will let the fire burn itself out. The explosion jolted residents awake early Friday, illuminating the pre-dawn sky with red and orange flames over the city where corpses rotted along flooded sidewalks and bands of armed thugs thwarted fitful rescue efforts. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

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Iraqis troops stand guard outside the Imam Kadim shrine during Friday prayers in Baghdad September 2, 2005. The U.S. military has planned a much smaller increase in troop levels in Iraq to provide extra security for the planned October constitutional referendum than it did for January's parliamentary elections, the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq said. *******/Ali Jasim

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R-L) French troop chief General Elrick Irastorza, Soumaila Bakayoko chief of staff of Ivorian rebels army ,and General Fernand Amoussou deputy chief of U.N. Operation chief in Ivory Coast meet in Bouake, Cote D'Ivoire, September 1, 2005. Ivory Coast's rebels are not worried about possible U.N. sanctions against them and instead blame President Laurent Gbagbo for the deadlock in the country's peace process, a senior rebel official said on Wednesday. *******/Thierry Gouegnon
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Lebanese Army soldiers secure the area around the hotel where German prosecutor Detlev Mehlis, the head of the UN probe into the murder of former Lebanese premier Rafiq Hariri, held his press conference in Brummana, east of Beirut.(AFP/Joseph Barrak)

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Russell Kanno of Kaneohe, Hawaii, far right, stands in front of the Battleship Missouri Memorial before ceremonies marking the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II, in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. Kanno is in a replica uniform worn by U.S. army soldiers based at Schofield Barrecks in Hawaii around the time of the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941, About 300 veterans from World War II and another 200 veterans, friends and supporters participated in a ceremony aboard the ship whereJapan formally surrendered in Toyko Bay on Sept. 2, 1945. (AP Photo/Lucy Pemoni)


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Members of the Nicaraguan Army fire a canon during celebrations for the 26th anniversary of the Nicaraguan Army at a military base outside Managua September 2, 2005. *******/Oswaldo Rivas
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Soldiers march during a parade to commemorate the 26th anniversary of the Nicaraguan Army at a military base outside Managua September 2, 2005. *******/Oswaldo Rivas
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A soldier participates in a parade to commemorate the 26th anniversary of the Nicaraguan Army at a military base outside Managua September 2, 2005. *******/Oswaldo Rivas
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A soldier walks past near of a body of an alleged rebel of the National Liberation Army, ELN, who was killed during a combat with government troops outside of Cajibio, Colombia, in the southern Cauca state of Colombia Saturday, Sept .3, 2005. The troops clashed with rebels when they tried to kidnap a medic in a rural area of Cajibio. The clash left five alleged rebels killed, the army said.(AP Photo/J.George)

[callous]

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Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

This is a very powerful pic... FATZO ate all the damn food. :lol: rofl

Is this guy is on madatory PT?...

All you people talking **** about this soldier should STFU! He's a better man than you!

[Clete Torres]

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x10 ! :bash:

Well in my opinion he / she deserves each kick he / she gets!
Going to Palestine to try stopping Israel building a barrier that could protect its citizen is just plain stupid.
If I was in the soldier’s place I would feel a strong anger too.

Still unacceptable behaviour for a soldier, he is suposed to maintain order and set an example not to worsen it by kicking the **** out of an already on the ground protester

However, i don't know the story behind this pic.The picture itself speaks volumes. The guy swinging the boot wound that thing up like he was going for the extra point against Green Bay. Not a very nice thing to do.

[UoUo]

If i was a soldier that beeing stooned by bunch of palstinains..and some ****ing ass hole whould help them.
I whould kick him, no dout.

[afrographX]

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Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

[callous]

Do you wonder why these foriegn 'peace activists' don't stop the Palistinians from throwing rocks at israeli soldiers? If they are really all about peace, you'd think they would. Instead they are running distraction for the soldiers. So a palistinian has a chance to nail one with a rock. These 'peace activists deserve what ever happens to them. :slap:

[Nikitaras]

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Check it out. The second guy is DEA.

[[AFSOC]]

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Check it out. The second guy is DEA.

he has sum guns man

the first guy

[afrographX]

Do you wonder why these foriegn 'peace activists' don't stop the Palistinians from throwing rocks at israeli soldiers? If they are really all about peace, you'd think they would. Instead they are running distraction for the soldiers. So a palistinian has a chance to nail one with a rock. These 'peace activists deserve what ever happens to them. :slap:

correct when I'm wrong but aren't the Israelis still occupying Palestinian terrirotry? I would throw stones at the guys who represent the occupation too. You not?

[UoUo]

What's that have to do with anything?

Those "peace activists" are just there to provoke the soldiers.

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A Portuguese commando patrols in an armored vehicle through the streets of Kabul, Aug. 30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)
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Portuguese commandos patrol in armored vehicles through the streets of Kabul, Tuesday Aug.30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO, which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)


Nice too see Portuguese army using Spanish made Rebecos, woot Thanks Iberian brothers :hug:



de thanks nada,que se los hemos cedido...las thanks que nos las den ellos

[Far]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixw.jpg

Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

This is a very powerful pic... FATZO ate all the damn food. :lol: rofl

Is this guy is on madatory PT?...



Oh come on...you know he's going to take this old man around the corner and eat him!

[Rammy]

Do you wonder why these foriegn 'peace activists' don't stop the Palistinians from throwing rocks at israeli soldiers? If they are really all about peace, you'd think they would. Instead they are running distraction for the soldiers. So a palistinian has a chance to nail one with a rock. These 'peace activists deserve what ever happens to them. :slap:

Dude, I understand that throwing a rock in such a frustrating situation can be a bitch. But if everyone retaliates, then it never ends. The "Peace Activists" throw rocks at IDF, IDF kicks/hits "Peace Activists" , more palestinians get pissed etc...

If the soldiers don't react, then the "Peace Activists" realise how pointless this is. But when they do, this gives that random guy with a camera a bunch of pictures to use as propaganda.

[Wilco]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixw.jpg

Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

This is a very powerful pic... FATZO ate all the damn food. :lol: rofl

Is this guy is on madatory PT?...



Oh come on...you know he's going to take this old man around the corner and eat him!

Looks like his Interceptor doesn't even fit him.

[PCarola]

It's not a fashion show. The guy is out there doing his duty. He could be sitting at home watching it on TV, comfortable, but no there he is. :bash:

[Wilco]

It's not a fashion show. The guy is out there doing his duty. He could be sitting at home watching it on TV, comfortable, but no there he is. :bash:

But it could mean the difference between life and death smart guy.

[Navy]

Callous/Moledet: Congratulations! You just won the most retarded person of the year award! :lol: I hope scum like you NEVER EVER enter the military.

[combat jack]

Ok..... First off, did you see that cop with the mini-14? Sexy. Secondly, its not that I think Israel has any right to that land just because some ancient book said that they do, but I wouldn't pass up the chance to kick the sh*t out of some damn dirty "peace activist" either. Israel cowboyed up by giving up Gaza and those other territories. It's a start.
Also, Ive been watching the Katrina victims in Mississippi and what not just sitting around and bitching about where all the help is. I see plenty of able bodied men and women just sitting under bridge overpasses complaining about water and what not. N*gga, I cant help you if you cant help yourself!

[JTAR7242]

<img src=http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050902/i/r3224311843.jpg?x=380&y=276&sig=AB6.sysNSle6j.uTrwdsbQ-->

An Israeli soldier aims his rifle at protesters during a joint protest by Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activists against the controversial Israeli barrier in the West Bank village of Bilin September 2, 2005 Nice shooting stance.

[JTAR7242]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixw.jpg

Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

This is a very powerful pic... FATZO ate all the damn food. :lol: rofl

Is this guy is on madatory PT?...

All you people talking **** about this soldier should STFU! He's a better man than you!Not than me.

I'll laugh all I want. Great that he's helping those people in Louisiana, but he's still an embarassment to the uniform and I feel sorry for him getting posted all over the Intarweb.

[callous]

Incase you missed the second pic
<img src=http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050902/capt.jrl11909021646.mideast_israel_palestinians_barrier_jrl119.jpg?x=380&y=288&sig=tLd38.PaBfL8SAU7NCgHqQ-->

[Bobitron]

I can't believe the things some people do while on camera. Even if they have the urge to do something stupid, don't they consider the consequences?

[FDF_Hemppis]

What's with all the fuzz? Don't wanna get kicked by a soldier? Well don't fuvking get to a place where there's soldiers to keep order or to kick you :roll: :roll: :roll:

(No, it's not OK for soldiers to kick people...but...reality doesn't always go hand-in-hand with the law ;))

[DnA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixa1.jpg

Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

really, why are they in 3 colour? Are any of these straight from iraq?

Judging by him having a combat patch (unit patch worn on right arm), I would say yes, it is because they are just back from Iraq or A-stan.
Just cause he has a combat patch, doesn't mean he just got it recently.

As for why he's wearing DCUs, dunno, maybe he was about to overseas, but he got sent to help out. All we can do is guess as to why he's in DCUs though.

[CG51]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

:lol: Yeah, anyone with Hi-res? need it for my slide show screen saver :D

[BusterHyman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixa1.jpg

Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

really, why are they in 3 colour? Are any of these straight from iraq?

Judging by him having a combat patch (unit patch worn on right arm), I would say yes, it is because they are just back from Iraq or A-stan.
Just cause he has a combat patch, doesn't mean he just got it recently.

As for why he's wearing DCUs, dunno, maybe he was about to overseas, but he got sent to help out. All we can do is guess as to why he's in DCUs though.

What kind of beer is that? Miller High Life? Probably warm too.

[Fintin]

[quote=Andeh]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixw.jpg

Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

This is a very powerful pic... FATZO ate all the damn food. :lol: rofl

Is this guy is on madatory PT?...

All you people talking **** about this soldier should STFU! He's a better man than you!
its airsoft....


someone had to say it....

[gilgoul]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

:lol: Yeah, anyone with Hi-res? need it for my slide show screen saver :D

This pic is still a disgrace.
One pic like that and the all IDF is judged. Punish the guy, if only to be stupid enough to do it in front of the camera.
On the other hand, we are not trained in proper imoblisation technics like any LEO, and often lack the legal background allowing us to arrest people unless they create a real and immediate threat to the mission.
In any way, the ROE should be tougher and clear to civilians too, get too close to our vehicule, get shot, attack our soldiers, get shot, throw a molotov, get shot.
In the same time, we are still waiting for better and less lethal crowd control devices.
All in all, for those that the fence bother, i`ll accept your point the day the rich europe and USA will open their border to their poorer neighbours, in between, i protect myself by the least invasive mean possible. Don`t forget, god fences make good neighbours.

[Weasel]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

Perhaps we find a picture where a protestor kicks a soldier. woot woot woot

[sarcasm off]

[stuntman]

I can tell most here have never been in a fight but, the best time to kick a man is when they are down!
Good move by the IDF, they could of just fixed this with a 5.56 but they choose lesser force. ;)

[afrographX]

the best time to kick a man is when they are down!
Good move by the IDF

rofl

damn it, does that looks like a battle?

do you really think those protesters were a serious danger to those troops? That are just some stupid middle-class kids that find their short time pleasure in protesting against the Israeli occupation. You may throw teargas at them and arrest them. But there's really no sense in kicking them when they are lying on the ground! When the IDF knows no other way to secure a person than that they are really badly trained.

[callous]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

Perhaps we find a picture where a protestor kicks a soldier. woot woot woot

[sarcasm off]

I wish I had a picture of anyone kicking you.
[no sarcasm ]

[Weasel]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

Perhaps we find a picture where a protestor kicks a soldier. woot woot woot

[sarcasm off]

I wish I had a picture of anyone kicking you.
[no sarcasm ]

Come on and try it, internet hero. ;)

[stuntman]

the best time to kick a man is when they are down!
Good move by the IDF

rofl

damn it, does that looks like a battle?

do you really think those protesters were a serious danger to those troops? That are just some stupid middle-class kids that find their short time pleasure in protesting against the Israeli occupation. You may throw teargas at them and arrest them. But there's really no sense in kicking them when they are lying on the ground! When the IDF knows no other way to secure a person than that they are really badly trained.

Well I guess you have a point but it sure is fun... woot

[Conga]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

Perhaps we find a picture where a protestor kicks a soldier. woot woot woot

[sarcasm off]

I wish I had a picture of anyone kicking you.
[no sarcasm ]


yeah, lets all kick Weasel because he.... uhm.... I gotta go, lunch is ready

[Seraphim]

I thought it was a chick...honestly

[callous]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

Perhaps we find a picture where a protestor kicks a soldier. woot woot woot

[sarcasm off]

I wish I had a picture of anyone kicking you.
[no sarcasm ]

Come on and try it, internet hero. ;)

I don't believe I said anywhere that I would. I just wish I had a pic internet retard.

[Weasel]

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg>

Anyone have this in Hi-Res? That's a great pic! woot

yes let's get more photos of civlians lying on the ground and getting kicked by a soldier. We need to encourage more soldiers to behave like that!! :hug:

Perhaps we find a picture where a protestor kicks a soldier. woot woot woot

[sarcasm off]

I wish I had a picture of anyone kicking you.
[no sarcasm ]

Come on and try it, internet hero. ;)

I don't believe I said anywhere that I would. I just wish I had a pic internet retard.

I understood very well. :lol: Try to kick me and shoot a photo on your own.

PS: No insults from my side. Don´t wanne lower my level down to yours.

[xwar]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixa1.jpg

Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

really, why are they in 3 colour? Are any of these straight from iraq?

Judging by him having a combat patch (unit patch worn on right arm), I would say yes, it is because they are just back from Iraq or A-stan.
Just cause he has a combat patch, doesn't mean he just got it recently.

As for why he's wearing DCUs, dunno, maybe he was about to overseas, but he got sent to help out. All we can do is guess as to why he's in DCUs though.

What kind of beer is that? Miller High Life? Probably warm too.


That is a Corana. Somebody get that man a lime!

[gaijinsamurai]

The protesters have as much right to be in the West Bank as the Israeli Army.
(yeah, I know I'm posting flame-bait!)
(I'm waiting for UoUo and Molodet to tell me how stupid I am! :D )

[Roaming East]

technically the Israelis won the right by defeating their enemy. The protestor is really only there by grace of the IDF. And like any bothersome guest. if you act in an inappropriate manner you can expect to get the boot.
quite literally in this case.
Probably did the guy a favor. now he'll go home and show his 'battle wounds' at keggers in a vain attemt to get laid. the IDF just bought this guy some official protestor street cred :D

[UoUo]

The protesters have as much right to be in the West Bank as the Israeli Army.
(yeah, I know I'm posting flame-bait!)
(I'm waiting for UoUo and Molodet to tell me how stupid I am! :D )

Bla Bla Bla who cares about politics....it's becoming boring.


:D

The ProIsraelis will remain pro Israelis and the Anti Israelis will stay that way.

And any way soon you will all speak hebrew when the zionist take over will start....so who cares.

[MARINO]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/f6bee72d.jpg

A Portuguese commando patrols in an armored vehicle through the streets of Kabul, Aug. 30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/db5aeab4.jpg

Portuguese commandos patrol in armored vehicles through the streets of Kabul, Tuesday Aug.30, 2005. Almost four years since the United States invaded Afghanistan to overthrow the Taliban regime in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, U.S. forces are gradually handing prime responsibly for security in the country to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO, which is sending more troops coming from Canada and European allies. (AP Photo/Paul Ames)


Nice too see Portuguese army using Spanish made Rebecos, woot Thanks Iberian brothers :hug:



de thanks nada,que se los hemos cedido...las thanks que nos las den ellos
Ok i thought we sold it to them. :|

[Naga Sadow]

mountainbear wrote
Firstly these soldiers are probably reservists, so you can’t ask and expect of them the same level of self-control as for a professional soldier.
Secondly this is not a case of peace maintaining in a foreign county but an operation that directly serve the protection of the people of the country these soldiers are from.
I don’t think anyone would have the same comportment with some people who don’t let you protect some random people from the country you’re maintaining the peace in or your own family!

1. Those are defiently not reservists - look at thier gear, if you know something about it you'll easly thier not reservist.
2. Even if they are (which they aren't), not only that you can expect them for the same level of self-control, but you should expect for a much higher level. Remeber that unlike most IDF soldiers which are usually in the age of 18-22, reservist are much older, many of them already have family and they are no longer a hot minded teenagers.
3. I can't tell if it was justified since we don't know the whole story, but unfortuantly, in most cases we find out that it wasn't neccery :/ (I hope this isn't the case)

***I serve in the IDF, and been to a similar situations and I do belive that our army have the highest moral standarts (much higher then many so called "cultured" countries), but still, such things shouldn't happend unless there was no other option.

We don't know the background to this picture. Consider that before you rush to judgement. For all we know this man could just have hit that soldier, or maybe battered one of his colleagues senseless, or spat in his face or anything.

The camera never lies, it just doesn't tell the whole truth.

[Blackburn]

Oh maaan, N/O is the hell on earth... :(
I know, that the biggest ship of the German Navy
is on the way, into the Golf of Mex.->to Help!
(since 3 days or something..)
[Jungs, das ist nicht VS!]

[Digital Marine]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixa1.jpg

Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

really, why are they in 3 colour? Are any of these straight from iraq?

Judging by him having a combat patch (unit patch worn on right arm), I would say yes, it is because they are just back from Iraq or A-stan.
Just cause he has a combat patch, doesn't mean he just got it recently.

As for why he's wearing DCUs, dunno, maybe he was about to overseas, but he got sent to help out. All we can do is guess as to why he's in DCUs though.

What kind of beer is that? Miller High Life? Probably warm too.


That is a Corana. Somebody get that man a lime!

Maybe he doesn't want his everyday Woodland or ACU BDU to get dirty and he wears his 3 Color instead?

[D.Ranger]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg

An Israeli army soldier kicks a foreign activist before detaining him during clashes between soldiers and Palestinian and foreign demonstrators during a protest against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes. (AP Photo / Nasser Nasser)

If there was anything that I learnt from the Israeli's, is that they don't give a damb what other people think... Typical Israeli...
"Koes-emek Ben-Zona ata!!!!"

"As for making me kick your ass... COME GET SOME!!!"..

things will never change... *lesson learnt: don't f*** with the Israeli's"

[Howie Kaluha]

If there was anything that I learnt from the Israeli's, is that they don't give a damb what other people think... Typical Israeli...
"Koes-emek Ben-Zona ata!!!!"

"As for making me kick your ass... COME GET SOME!!!"..

things will never change... *lesson learnt: don't f*** with the Israeli's"

HECK YEAH woot woot

[sp2c]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050903/i/r3230674364.jpg

sorry, but where the hell is Managua

it's the capitol of nicaragua


and where is the Nicaraguan army from lol?

they are from nicaragua :D


Never herd of it..

http://www.fhi.net/images/voc/nicaragua-map.gif

here you go p-)

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

mm sp2c we are like the special-ed school of the internet! rofl woot

[EvanL]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg

An Israeli army soldier kicks a foreign activist before detaining him during clashes between soldiers and Palestinian and foreign demonstrators during a protest against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes. (AP Photo / Nasser Nasser)

If there was anything that I learnt from the Israeli's, is that they don't give a damb what other people think... Typical Israeli...
"Koes-emek Ben-Zona ata!!!!"

"As for making me kick your ass... COME GET SOME!!!"..

things will never change... *lesson learnt: don't f*** with the Israeli's"
shouldnt it be ata ben zona? as the "son of a bitch" is being directed at somebody?

[usa320]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixa1.jpg

Why is he in 3 color, didn't have time to change? :lol:

really, why are they in 3 colour? Are any of these straight from iraq?

Judging by him having a combat patch (unit patch worn on right arm), I would say yes, it is because they are just back from Iraq or A-stan.
Just cause he has a combat patch, doesn't mean he just got it recently.

As for why he's wearing DCUs, dunno, maybe he was about to overseas, but he got sent to help out. All we can do is guess as to why he's in DCUs though.

What kind of beer is that? Miller High Life? Probably warm too.


That is a Corana. Somebody get that man a lime!

Maybe he doesn't want his everyday Woodland or ACU BDU to get dirty and he wears his 3 Color instead?

No. I believe this unit flew directly into New Orleans as they returned from Iraq.

[D.Ranger]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/47531f17.jpg

An Israeli army soldier kicks a foreign activist before detaining him during clashes between soldiers and Palestinian and foreign demonstrators during a protest against the construction of Israel's separation barrier in the village of Bil'in near the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Sept. 2, 2005. The army surrounded the village and arrested several demonstrators. Several people were also injured during the clashes. (AP Photo / Nasser Nasser)

If there was anything that I learnt from the Israeli's, is that they don't give a damb what other people think... Typical Israeli...
"Koes-emek Ben-Zona ata!!!!"

"As for making me kick your ass... COME GET SOME!!!"..

things will never change... *lesson learnt: don't f*** with the Israeli's"
shouldnt it be ata ben zona? as the "son of a bitch" is being directed at somebody?
You are right... But in general slang the wording can be a bit different.. (or not) ;)

[UoUo]

It can. :D

[big80a2]

histrory of this unknown man

on 19 August mister X enjoy's free transportation:

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/53438743.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=53252F50F9EADF4FD4D3E95ACF43A2B3A9C30E9B9B114CE8

on 26 Aug. after washing his T-shirt and going to the barber for dreathlocks he practists breakdancing but falls from a wall and is helped by Israeli soldiers
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/53464157.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=53252F50F9EADF4F7CDC3E06112C9557A9C30E9B9B114CE8

on 3 sept. he's helped gettings speed on his backspin by a soldier while brakedancing
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050902/capt.jrl10609021439.mideast_israel_palestinians_barrier_jrl106.jpg?x=380&y=267&sig=iWAxZXpD28W98nLjAiqs.w--

see you all got it wrong again!
you can't make up a story about one photo :)

[D.Ranger]

histrory of this unknown man

on 19 August mister X enjoy's free transportation:

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/53438743.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=53252F50F9EADF4FD4D3E95ACF43A2B3A9C30E9B9B114CE8

on 26 Aug. after washing his T-shirt and going to the barber for dreathlocks he practists breakdancing but falls from a wall and is helped by Israeli soldiers
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/53464157.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=53252F50F9EADF4F7CDC3E06112C9557A9C30E9B9B114CE8

on 3 sept. he's helped gettings speed on his backspin by a soldier while brakedancing
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050902/capt.jrl10609021439.mideast_israel_palestinians_barrier_jrl106.jpg?x=380&y=267&sig=iWAxZXpD28W98nLjAiqs.w--

see you all got it wrong again!
you can't make up a story about one photo :)

Either way, he's hurtin' in the morning! rofl

[Lance_Colonel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixw.jpg

Hmm.. I wonder where the food goes rofl

Height and Weight standards are definetly not being enforce in this NG unit.

[Raistlin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/news%20photos/Todays/Pixl.jpg

Baton Rouge Police Dept. Captain Ernest Rhodes, left, advises the department's Special Response Team members including Cpl. Freddie Burton, center, who has his gear readied by Cpl. Tommy Dewey, right, as they assemble near the parking garages for the Baton Rouge River Center, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005. The team, plus members of an East Baton Rouge Sheriff's Department force were gearing up for a sweep of downtown Baton Rouge, where reports of car break-ins and possible looting triggered their deployment,as some of the large number of Hurricane Katrina evacuees from New Orleans caused worries to downtown Baton Rouge businesses and governmental workers. (AP Photo/The Advocate, Travis Spradling)
Fixed stock M4?

[Seraphim]

And?


Hes also got a G-shock and Oakleys....he must be delta.

[K.Johnston]

And?


Hes also got a G-shock and Oakleys....he must be delta.

obviously

[Raistlin]

And?
.. am I right? Just curious. Not something one would see every day.