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Beer Monster
09-05-2005, 12:01 PM
Read this article in the Sunday Times and thought some of you might find it interesting. I've included a link to the full report that it discusses at the bottom. Makes for some interesting reading.




September 04, 2005

A man with a plan has ear of the hawks

A new way to stabilise Iraq based on secure zones is winning fans at the Pentagon, says Sarah Baxter

When the American defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld heard there was a paper circulating called How to Win in Iraq, he asked to see a copy. One could say charitably he merely wanted to stay abreast of the latest thinking. But what if, as many of his critics suspect, he is feeling stumped and has no idea how to win?

The primer, by Andrew Krepinevich — a former army officer and counter-insurgency expert — and published in this month’s issue of Foreign Affairs, has become a must-read in Washington and its author has since dropped in on the Pentagon, the CIA and vice-president **** Cheney’s aides for briefings.

Indeed Krepinevich is so well-connected to some of the key players, from US army generals to Zalmay Khalilzad, America’s ambassador to Baghdad, that many believe his essay is the closest thing the Bush administration has to an actual road map.

For Krepinevich has said the unsayable: it will take the US at least a decade to build a secure Iraq, cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and mean heavier military casualties.

“People say the president has no plan, but Krepinevich is articulating it,” says John Pike of national security policy think tank GlobalSecurity.org. “The administration just can’t say it out loud.”

Krepinevich calls his proposals the “oil-spot” strategy: “It’s like an ink spot. When a fountain pen drops some ink and it hits the paper, it begins to expand.”

Basically, American forces should stop trying to kill as many insurgents as possible and concentrate on providing security and opportunity to the Iraqis in key “green” zones such as Baghdad and Mosul. “Then, over time, broaden the effort — hence the image of an expanding oil spot,” he says.

It would be slow, require the embedding of many US troops with Iraqi forces, and risk many American lives. Yet “my strategy is the best of a sorry lot. There is no way to win quickly or cheaply”, Krepinevich insists.

It is a particularly bleak time for defenders of the war. Last week’s stampede of pilgrims on a bridge over the Tigris, which left nearly 1,000 dead, added to the sense of despair in Iraq and America.

“This was obviously a huge tragedy, much greater than anything the insurgents have been able to achieve, but what it showed is that death and destruction have become all too common in Iraq,” Krepinevich says. “It’s a bit of a stretch to say this will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, but there is increasing frustration with the Iraqi government’s inability to improve public safety and security.”

Americans are losing patience. Bush’s approval ratings are plummeting (he hit 40% in one poll last week) and that was before Hurricane Katrina wiped out New Orleans.

Last week, Francis Fukuyama, the author of The End of History, accused Bush of squandering the overwhelming mandate he received after 9/11. There was no good way out of Iraq that he could foresee; “everything to be regretted” about going in there in the first place.

Even so, he did not call for a pullout. “That would set off a chain of unfortunate events that would further damage American credibility around the world and ensure that it remains preoccupied with the Middle East, to the detriment of other important regions . . . for years to come.”

There is an emerging consensus that Rumsfeld should be sacked, not just from Democrats, but from influential neo-conservatives such as Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard magazine; Senator John McCain, the likely 2008 Republican presidential challenger, is also critical. With his loose talk about drawing down US forces — which was explicitly rebuked by Bush — Rumsfeld is increasingly isolated. “He’s like the crazy aunt in the attic who won’t shut up, ” said one Middle East expert.

But one salutary sacking does not amount to a strategy. Krepinevich, who would like Rumsfeld’s support, is tactful: it is more important to change course than personnel, he says. But he is almost as critical as Fukuyama about the conduct of the war to date.

Krepinevich was initially persuaded that Saddam Hussein was a threat (“based on the information we were given”). “If you had to do it over again, would you do it?” he muses. “Well, you don’t get that chance. I was surprised there was no Plan B.”

He assumed there must be one he simply hadn’t heard about. But last autumn he outlined some of his ideas to 30 generals, many of whom had served in Iraq. “I thought they would say, ‘You’re crazy, this is what we’re doing’, but they all sat there silently.” The problem is that, “Maybe we have forgotten how to win.”

Vietnam was so demoralising that the army’s doctrine became, “Go in big, win fast, leave in a hurry.” Under Bill Clinton it became axiomatic that you “needed an exit strategy before you got in”. The military was restructured accordingly and its ability to wage an effective counter- insurgent campaign was lost.

The most successful example of the “oil-spot” strategy, in his view, was the British campaign against Malayan insurgents in the 1950s. “You had Malays, Indians and Chinese, and no one group liked the other, and yet the British were able to wage a classic counter-insurgent strategy.”

Even so it took 12 years for the British to prevail and in Vietnam, his other source of inspiration, Krepinevich admits, “We didn’t even win.” Then, however, America also focused on killing insurgents at the expense of winning “hearts and minds”.

It is possible, he suggests, that America could operate the “oil-spot” strategy with fewer troops. “More of the same is more of the same,” Krepinevich says. “We tried that in Vietnam.”

The trouble with relying heavily on Iraqi forces, GlobalSecurity.org’s Pike points out, is that “any strong enough to suppress the insurgency would be strong enough to suppress the government”.

It could mean Iraq ends up back in the hands of a strongman, an outcome that was once seen as wholly undesirable. But there is a certain realpolitik re-emerging in some quarters in Washington. The country has become so fractured that “We would almost be lucky to end up with a strongman, given where we are now,” Krepinevich says.

Whatever strategy America pursues, this would not count as winning.



Here is a link to the full text of Krepinevich's report:-

How to Win in Iraq (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050901faessay84508/andrew-f-krepinevich-jr/how-to-win-in-iraq.html)

sickofpretenders
09-05-2005, 12:23 PM
That is a very dumb idea, Krepinevich clearly has no clue at all. How the hell does he think an FOB can 'spread out' unless US troops and locals start living together. He has not considered indirect fire or transportation issues or that fact that without troops on the ground the whole country would degenerate into full a blown 3or more way civil war.

Beer Monster
09-05-2005, 12:37 PM
That is a very dumb idea, Krepinevich clearly has no clue at all. How the hell does he think an FOB can 'spread out' unless US troops and locals start living together. He has not considered indirect fire or transportation issues or that fact that without troops on the ground the whole country would degenerate into full a blown 3or more way civil war.

I think what he is suggesting is to train up the local forces and use them to secure the areas whilst having some US presence in the form of embedded advisors and possible quick reaction forces:-




Coalition forces and local militias, such as the Kurdish Pesh Merga, now provide a high level of security in 14 of Iraq's 18 provinces. These areas comprise the country's true "Green Zone" (the term normally used to describe the heavily fortified part of Baghdad where U.S. headquarters are located). In these provinces, people lead relatively normal and secure lives. The rest of the country -- the "Red Zone" -- is made up of the generally unsecured provinces of Anbar, Baghdad, Nineveh, and Salah ad Din, each of which has a sizable or dominant Sunni Arab population. The oil-spot campaign should start by enhancing security in the Green Zone. The U.S. and Iraqi governments should also focus reconstruction efforts here, in order to reward loyalty to the government and to minimize "security premium" expenses on projects.

To start, U.S. and coalition forces must do much more to aid and develop the capabilities of their Iraqi counterparts in counterinsurgency operations: training them, embedding U.S. soldiers and marines in Iraqi units, and providing U.S. quick-reaction forces to support the Iraqis, if needed. The embedding effort should be far more extensive than currently planned, and some of the U.S. Army's best soldiers should be assigned to this initiative. It would involve some risk, since embedded U.S. personnel are likely to suffer more casualties than they would in all-U.S. units. But the payoff would be high as well.

Midav
09-05-2005, 01:05 PM
Good read. Ty for posting!

Royal
09-05-2005, 01:08 PM
That is a very dumb idea, Krepinevich clearly has no clue at all. How the hell does he think an FOB can 'spread out' unless US troops and locals start living together. He has not considered indirect fire or transportation issues or that fact that without troops on the ground the whole country would degenerate into full a blown 3or more way civil war.

Oh yeah.

Worked in Kenya.

Worked in Malaya.

Worked in Borneo.

Worked in Northern Ireland (kind of).

Someones been reading Kitson et al...

Beer Monster
09-05-2005, 01:19 PM
Someones been reading Kitson et al...

Gen. Kitson - Low Intensity Operations: Subversion, Insurgency and Peacekeeping? :lol:

Bryson C
09-05-2005, 01:21 PM
Yes, interesting read, thx for posting.

LordHalbert
09-05-2005, 01:48 PM
Only thing that's going to work in Iraq is eradication of the enemy.

Some of you just don't get it.

You have to go back to what the motives and goals of the enemy is. The goals and motives of the enemy is to establish a Islamic state and to kill non-musims, especially westerners (Americans, Europeans, etc..). There is no negotiating with them. If they had an nuclear device, they would have already used it.

Unlike other types of Insurgency such as the Irish IRA, there is no way of satifying the goals of the enemey other than your death (if you happen to be a non-muslim). Giving up Iraq to the insurgents would not satisfy their goals - it would merely facilitate their greater goal.

sickofpretenders
09-05-2005, 01:50 PM
Krepinevich is basing his plan on the fact that local iraqis want their freedom enough to fight for it. If that was the case the whole situation would be a lot calmer now that it is. Locals will watch insurgents setting up IED's or blowing power lines and do nothing. Maybe call the hotline and report it.


I think what he is suggesting is to train up the local forces and use them to secure the areas whilst having some US presence in the form of embedded advisors and possible quick reaction forces:-

Thats all well and good, and SF is doing it as we speak. The problem is how do you vet and protect enought troops to make a difference? The locals need intense supervision and anywhere you have locals and Americans interacting on a regular basis you have an opportunity for insurgents to exploit the situation. Families can be gotten to, people can be turned etc etc. Meanwhile while your 'oil drop' is slowly spreading the insurgents oil drop is speading like wildfire and indirect fire onto the 'secure oil drops' and ieds on the msr's between them are growing exponentially. Take route irish as an example. It is less than 5 miles from the IZ to biap, it has armour and troops all along it and yet it still cannot be secured! The sad fact is the only people willing to fight and die for iraq to be a democracy are the allied troops and the kurds. Maybe if you gave the kurds an unlimited budged and told them to kill every arab Krepinevich would see his system bring peace within 5 years. But hang on, thats called genocide and last time I checked we were against that.

There is no way around the fact that the iraqi's need time to learn to desire thier freedom. The have been opressed under a brutal dictator for years and it will take years to get used to the idea that they need to fight and risk a little to be allowed to have a say in their own country.

magicpie
09-05-2005, 06:15 PM
A retired US general recommends the US has 500,000 troops stations in iraq, he said it's the only way to stop the insurgency.. i cant remember what site i read this interview :(

LordHalbert
09-05-2005, 06:21 PM
The general is probably correct.

This isn't about winning hearts and minds.

It's about erradication. It's them or us - plain and simple.

Siddar
09-05-2005, 07:02 PM
How is this different then what is already being done in Iraq? US force are keeping Terrorists from captureing any territory in Iraq while Iraqi forces are bring trianed the Iraqi forces are the ink being advocated.

Does he want US to abandon areas of Iraq to allow Terrorist to create a secure base areas like Fallujah was for most of last year so US forces can be used as Ink he advoctes?

US forces already use a system that rates areas Red for unsfe and Green for safe and is slowly trying to reduce the red areas to zero how is this different from ink statergy being advocated?

In truth the real aim of this statergy seems to be political giberish to advocte a firing of Rumfield and nothing more.

magicpie
09-05-2005, 07:08 PM
Ancient chinese commander once said "The key to winning a battle, is eliminating the enemy" i believe this to be true in Iraq

:lol: :lol:

LordHalbert
09-05-2005, 07:19 PM
The United States and the western world as a whole is not ready for the types of commitments and sacrifices required to get it done properly - yet.

We're talking about commitments and sacrifices in the order of WWII in order to get this done properly.

It's my belief that we are in a modern day crusade against religious fanatics. Losing is not an option p-)

Roids
09-05-2005, 08:03 PM
Sure its all about eradicating the enemy, this is how it is in every invasion. However this is not the problem. The problem is that once we eradicate the enemy we need to make sure that the enemy STAYs eradicated. Jumping from town to town will do nothing as they will just keep popping up, shoot 1 another 2 will come out. We need to have troops holding areas until its evident that that area will no longer be a breeding ground.

It doesnt matter if you kill every single terrorist in a city, you just left a bad mark on the US record for those groups of could be terrorist who will probably take up arms a month later.

Its is about winning hearts and minds if you plan to leave that area and want that area to be in your favor, otherwise youll just get more uprisings and rebellions.

Royal
09-06-2005, 03:52 AM
The sad fact is the only people willing to fight and die for iraq to be a democracy are the allied troops and the kurds.

Tell that to the tens of thousands of Shia who fought and died in the marshes in '91.

Tell that to the thousands of (largely Shia) National Guard and Police who have fought the insurgency throughout Iraq.

The Shia want democracy. The problem (for GWB) is that they want that democracy to institute a theocracy allied with Iran. We can't have it both ways - either we support democratic ideals and we loose Iraq to people like Al Sadr and the Iranians or we support some kind of federalisation with disproportionate influence for the Sunni.

We can create (and spread) oil spots if we accept the logic that we don't have to hold every inch of ground. We cannot cherry pick concepts from the great CI playbook - we have to go the whole hog - and accept the consequenses for our oil supplies...

Argyll
09-06-2005, 03:53 AM
How is this different then what is already being done in Iraq? US force are keeping Terrorists from captureing any territory in Iraq while Iraqi forces are bring trianed the Iraqi forces are the ink being advocated.

Care to do some research mate,Fallujah,Ramadi,Haditha,Sammara,Baquba,Mosul,Tal Afar,Qiam.........have all been "occupied " at some stage by the current insurgency.........and within Baghdad and other areas there have been no go areas as well!!!!.............It's not about capturing territory or ground,what good would that do,when faced against the Worlds most Hi Tech Military?.........they move into said towns and stage blocks,and intimidations,attack Police stations and barracks,just to show that they can,and that also showing the local support they're not afraid of the Coalition

Does he want US to abandon areas of Iraq to allow Terrorist to create a secure base areas like Fallujah was for most of last year so US forces can be used as Ink he advoctes?

Do you mean areas like the BIAP road?Up until recently it was unsecure,there are areas where the Coalition doesn't go,because it's controlled by tribes especially down South,there is not enough boots on the ground to cover Iraq,and clamp down on the insurgency,the Coalition moves into areas conducts huge Ops,gains little,then leaves again,to another location,and the bad guys use their networking to avoid the Operations........those that stay are local jihadists mostly,or the few token Foreign fighters

US forces already use a system that rates areas Red for unsfe and Green for safe and is slowly trying to reduce the red areas to zero how is this different from ink statergy being advocated?

But there should be no Red areas..........even the IZ isn't Green......again you need significant troops on the ground to do this,and you need Infantrymen to dictate on the ground,not Cavalry or Armoured elements,you can't control areas with armour,you need boots on the ground!!............If the post Op planning had been better,and the whole war not done on the cheap(numbers),then Iraq would've been secured and Command and Control established from the onset!!And the Insurgency would've been minor,and not a major battle ground,of which to date nothing has been gained other than loss of life!!

In truth the real aim of this statergy seems to be political giberish to advocte a firing of Rumfield and nothing more.

Rumsfeld should be held accountable,he ignored the Generals who said forget about "Shock and awe" and go for more Troops,how on earth could you take over,occupy,and liberate a country with less troops than the first GW?.......he dropped the ball,he seriously underestimated what would happen after major offensive operations,the garlands of flowers like Europe during WW2,didn't happen as anticipated,sure some places it did,but I wonder how much of that was staged?

Old Rummy has told more innacuracies ,and talked more Bovine Scatology than a bloke on a friday night out on the pull with the lads

Mark Sman
09-06-2005, 04:02 AM
Do you mean areas like the BIAP road?Up until recently it was unsecure

Do you mean it is now secure, when it used to not be?

An improvement?


Side note: Rumy has to go.

sickofpretenders
09-06-2005, 04:28 AM
As Argyll said in his post, if the US directs its attention to it then it can secure anything, but the focus of troops in one area means another is degenerating. Biap has been 'secured' in the past but so long as locals can drive it it will never be truly secure. Just like anywhere locals are allowed.

LordHalbert
09-06-2005, 04:32 AM
"Do or do not, there is no try" - Yoda

However, a more apt saying would be "Do or Die".