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Bluezoo
09-08-2005, 01:40 PM
US warns China on Iran oil

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Posted online: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 1101 hours IST
Updated: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 at 1246 hours IST

WASHINGTON, SEPTEMBER 7: China will be increasingly in conflict with the United States if it continues to pursue energy deals with countries like Iran and is unlikely to gain the energy security it seeks, a senior US official said on Tuesday.

Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick said he was not sure how much of Beijing's energy drive was propelled by new Chinese oil companies or by a government "strategic plan."

But he told a group of reporters it was unlikely that Beijing could guarantee its own energy security through contracts with countries which Washington and other states consider troublesome "because you can't lock up energy resources" in a global marketplace.

Instead, the Bush administration was encouraging China to adopt a broader definition of energy that included cooperative efforts with Washington and others to develop energy sources beyond oil and gas, expanding sources of oil and gas and improving energy efficiency, he said.

Zoellick, in charge of what Washington calls a new US strategic dialogue with Beijing, discussed key issues facing the two powers ahead of Chinese President Hu Jintao's attendance at the United Nations summit in New York next week.

Hu had been due to make his first official visit to the White House on Wednesday but it was canceled so President George W. Bush could focus on the Hurricane Katrina aftermath.

The two are still expected to meet on the fringes of the U.N. summit. Cooperation on trying to end the North Korean and Iranian nuclear programs will be on the US agenda.

Zoellick launched the strategic dialogue on a trip to Beijing last month amid rising U.S. concern over China's growing economic and military clout. Washington aims to foster greater cooperation and avoid dangerous miscalculation by examining Sino-American relations in a larger framework.

Zoellick acknowledged "there are questions that are being asked not only in the U.S. but other parts of Asia and Europe about how China will use this growing power."

CHINA AS WORLD POWER

China became the world's third largest importer of oil in 2003. It sought energy and mineral deals with Iran, whom the United States and Europe accuse of pursuing nuclear weapons, with Sudan, accused of genocide in the Darfur region, and Venezuela, where the president has allied with Cuba, a U.S. adversary.

Zoellick said he told Chinese officials that from a U.S. perspective "it looked like Chinese companies had been unleashed to try to lock up energy resources."

This is an elusive goal because even when governments think they "own" the resources of another country, that country could nationalize the assets, he said.

He said Beijing's ties to what the United States considered troublesome states -- the list also included Burma and Zimbabwe -- were "going to have repercussions elsewhere" and the Chinese would have to decide if they wanted to pay the price.

China must choose whether to work with the United States to ameliorate problems posed by these states -- while still protecting Beijing's energy interests -- or whether it "want(ed) to be against us and perhaps others in the international system as well," Zoellick said.

The State Department's former chief China official, Randall Schriver, told ******* last week he feared the two powers were on a "collision course" over the ties Beijing is forging in its search for energy to feed its growing economy.
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caridon
09-08-2005, 02:15 PM
Translation.
dont you dare to buy oil we consider "ours" without consulting uss first.

US all for free trade as long as they dont have to fase the consequenses.


/C

Bluezoo
09-08-2005, 02:18 PM
Do you have any basis for your rant or is it just your knee jerk anti-US reaction? :petting:

Kaplanr
09-08-2005, 02:22 PM
I think a better interpretation is:

We don't want you buying oil we consider "ours" . . . but we really can't do much about it, let's have a meeting.

Laworkerbee
09-08-2005, 02:23 PM
Translation.
dont you dare to buy oil we consider "ours" without consulting uss first.

US all for free trade as long as they dont have to fase the consequenses.


/C

You completely missed the point, Iran or Sudan or whomever will try to use China to protect them against the West while in Sudan's case it continues genocide or Iran continues nuclear development.If the West decides an intervention is needed it will intervene and China's oil supply will go down in the toilet and that could cause conflict.

Of course you will probably want to continue with your anti-American rant, is so, so be it then.

Argyll
09-08-2005, 02:34 PM
Somebody running a little scared?

I can't believe that the US is actually dictating who the Chinese can and can't do business with?

It just make the States look like a Giant Playground bully!!!

Roaming East
09-08-2005, 04:08 PM
im on Argyll on this one. The US is in one breath denying trying to contain or limit China and her growth while in another breath trying keep it from legally purchasing whatever the hell it wants. im starting to grow weary of my nations arrogant hegemony....

2Sheds_Jackson
09-08-2005, 04:53 PM
IMHO China is stepping into the limelight as a world power, bud has not yet assumed the responsibilities of a world power. Since they are now on the world stage, it is incumbent upon them to insist upon reasonable conduct from the nations they do business with.

If they don't, there's inevitably going to be trouble. Because there will always be despotic regimes just begging to sell resources to anybody willing to put up with their abuses. And they'll sell stuff at bargain prices - far below those of developed nations supporting expensive social programs.

Over time two blocs will develop - one set of nations paying high prices to developed responsible nations for raw materials, and another set of nations (ostensibly led by China) buying much cheaper raw materials from nations who may back terror, or engage in horrible human rights practices etc.

At some point, the China-led bloc will become superior, just because they are able to operate more cheaply. Of course the other bloc knows this, and will have to launch bush wars here and there to keep them from growing too fast.

So what's wrong with giving them a "heads-up" as to what's coming? Why not try to get them to join the rest of the West & we can all exert economic pressure together to get these supplier nations to tow the line?

Bluezoo
09-08-2005, 04:58 PM
Well said 2Sheds Jackson! :D

Laworkerbee
09-08-2005, 05:27 PM
In the long term doing business with despotic regimes will offer nothing but trouble, glossing over oppressive regimes in the name of stability has gotten us in this mess where we are today. If China wishes to do business with Zimbabwe, Sudan, and Iran then so be it.But when revolution comes and thier engineers are being held hostage and their assets nationalized they will have nobody but themselves to blame.

I think the same can be said of American and European companies doing business in the PRC today, using the PRC police state to supress workers rights to make a buck....it just isn't good business.

In the long term that is

Bluezoo
09-08-2005, 05:32 PM
I think the same can be said of American and European companies doing business in the PRC today, using the PRC police state to supress workers rights to make a buck....it just isn't good business.

In the long term that is

Well, this very true and a good point at that. :|

Michael RVR
09-08-2005, 06:36 PM
I think Argyll and Roaming East is on it, there really is no right to tell china what it can and can't do.

Its one thing to suggest that they might be shooting themselves in the foot to do such thing (ie in a learn from our mistakes kinda way) but totally another to suggest that they HAVE to act in a certain way.

:)

KB
09-08-2005, 07:06 PM
think Argyll and Roaming East is on it, there really is no right to tell china what it can and can't do.

Its one thing to suggest that they might be shooting themselves in the foot to do such thing (ie in a learn from our mistakes kinda way) but totally another to suggest that they HAVE to act in a certain way.


Word...and I am sure Tony Blair appreciated his closest ally launching this shot while he is on a state visit in Beijing.