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01-24-2004, 01:01 AM
TWO SAS heroes who died when their vehicle crashed in Iraq had been to a party, it emerged yesterday.

Major James Stenner, 30, and Sergeant Norman Patterson, 28, were celebrating New Year’s Eve with American special forces troops.

Sgt Patterson, who did not normally drink, and Major Stenner — whose wife Mary is five months pregnant — were plied with free beer by the Americans.

In the early hours of New Year’s Day their Jeep, driven by Sgt Patterson, crashed at high speed into anti-tank barriers in Iraqi capital Baghdad.

Last night sources said that Sgt Patterson was “well over” the drink-
driving limit. Major Stenner was “just over” the limit. At first, the Ministry of Defence denied the pair had been drinking, but post mortem tests revealed they had.

The case is causing massive embarrassment among the highest echelons of the Who Dares Wins regiment.

It is believed to be the first time in its 63-year history that SAS men have died directly as a result of a drink-related accident. Concerns had been growing within the regiment that troops were drinking while on duty in combat zones.

The two men were inside a US-controlled “Green Zone” where concrete bollards are set up to protect against car bombers.

Major Stenner, from Monmouthshire, won a Military Cross for bravery at the start of last year’s Iraq war.

The major, who joined from the Welsh Guards, followed in his father’s footsteps into the SAS.

Sgt Patterson, originally from the Cheshire Regiment, was single and had recently joined A Squadron.

The elite regiment has not lost a soldier in combat since Trooper Brad Tinnion in Sierra Leone during September 2000.

Defence sources said Major Stenner and Sgt Patterson were not on duty at the time of the accident.

No other vehicle — or hostile attack — was involved.

A former senior SAS officer said: “The regiment is as renowned for its parties as its fighting ability.

“There are, however, certain rules. The first is: no drinking on operations.

“The actions carried out by the regiment are too delicate to have them compromised by drunkenness.

“If they go to a social gathering where they will be expected to drink, one man is delegated as driver.

“Did the Americans set out to get them drunk? Could they have been given a sober driver? These questions should be asked.”

the Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004033569,00.html)

DeltaWhisky58
01-24-2004, 05:47 AM
Ahhh..............The Sun, the yardstick by which all gutterpress tabloids can be measured.

I'll be interested to see what the rest of the press has to say.

George W. Bush
01-24-2004, 06:58 AM
British people LOVE to drink.

DeltaWhisky58
01-24-2004, 08:58 AM
British people LOVE to drink.

Well, that is a pretty generalised statement - I'm sure we could find a few nations with higher per-capita alchohol consumption.

tony6
01-24-2004, 09:22 AM
ekhmmm.......Poland?
:)

Herrmannek
01-24-2004, 09:22 AM
ekhmmm.......Poland?
:)

There is nothing to be happy with :(

California Joe
01-24-2004, 09:29 AM
Nice how they keep insinuating that the Americans set out to get them ****faced. Poor little naive SAS troopers or some crap. What a rag article. It's an unfortunate incident and they paid the ultimate price. I feel for their families.

Argyll
01-24-2004, 09:37 AM
"You can lead a horse to water ,but you cannot make him drink"

Nobody Forced these guys to consume more than they should've,they did so on their own free will,and their sheer stupidity has caused embarrasment on their Regiment,and heartache on their families.They being Special Forces Operators should have known better,and as a Company Commander like Maj.Stenner he above all should've set a higher example.....................however,none of us are aware of the full story of the reasons for having a bevvy.

California Joe
01-24-2004, 09:40 AM
Agreed my friend. These weren't college kids at spring break.

NcDeuce
01-24-2004, 09:42 AM
RIP

Don't drink and drive. :(

DeltaWhisky58
01-24-2004, 09:58 AM
Yes, I'm sure lessons can and will be learned from this. What really discgusts me though is the way the Gutter Press latched onto this tragedy - just they same was as had they been police officers.

SAS soldiers have the same needs to get rat-arsed as anyone else - perhaps moreso. That they did it is such circustances was unfortunate, but in no way can the fact that their American allies offered them free ber be given as a way of blaming anyone as Argyll so rightly said.......


"You can lead a horse to water ,but you cannot make him drink"

RIP