Iraqi weapons sent to Syria: Kay

[ShotOver]

AP - David Kay, the outgoing leader of a US weapons search team in Iraq, said that part of Saddam Hussein's secret weapons program was hidden in Syria, a published report said today.

Kay reportedly told The Sunday Telegraph that he had uncovered evidence that unspecified materials were moved to Syria shortly before last year's war to overthrow Saddam.

"We are not talking about a large stockpile of weapons but we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of Saddam's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) program," Kay reportedly said in the interview conducted.

"Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved," he added.

Syria has denied pursuing weapons of mass destruction and said the long, porous border with Iraq makes it hard to stop infiltrators.




US President George W Bush last month approved the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, which accuses Syria of hosting Palestinian militant groups, such as Hamas and Jihad, and seeking biological and chemical weapons.



©AAP 2004

[usa320]

why am i far from surprised?

I think syria should really follow libya's lead or it will find itself in an asskicking.

[mustamato]

Bull****.

[ShotOver]

Bull****.

I know you are, but what is this news report?

[mustamato]

Bull****.

I know you are, but what is this news report?

Excuses to attack them? Have we already forgotten the "evidence" about the Iraqi WMD? Aaah I assume that it must be aaaaall of these that are in Syria now? :roll:

However Iraq was one thing, a already defeated country with a leader no one liked. US don´t have the balls to attack Syria anyway by political reasons. Sure they would succeed to conquer the country, no doubt and in the process killing tens of thousands of syrians. But they would hardly find any WMD. And what then, maybe the syrians smuggled them to Iran? And Israel would be put in the **** as well politically.

This "divert the attraction from US casualties in Iraq and blaime the syrians for it"-bull**** is just part of the process to get Bush Jr re-elected.

[ShotOver]

Wow, you have some built up anger problems don't you... was it somthing that happend to you as a kid?

Here, talk to Uncle PT...

[mustamato]

Wow, you have some built up anger problems don't you... was it somthing that happend to you as a kid?

Here, talk to Uncle PT...

Okey. You want tens of thousands of innocent people killed. Which would be the case if Syria was attacked. And you say that I have anger problems? :roll:

[ShotOver]

I really couldnt care less mate, Syria is'nt stupid, they saw what happend to Iraq.

They will let the weapon teams in, they don't want a war.

[mustamato]

I really couldnt care less mate, Syria is'nt stupid, they saw what happend to Iraq.

They will let the weapon teams in, they don't want a war.

You couldn´t care less about tens of thousands of innocent dead? Seek help you sick pervert.

[ShotOver]

*Sticks his fingers in his ears*

la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la I can't hear you la la la la la la la la la la la la

You are full of ****, tens of thousands wouldnt die, like i said. Syria knows what will happen to them, and they don't want that.

So get your Anti-American **** out of here...

[mustamato]

*Sticks his fingers in his ears*

la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la I can't hear you la la la la la la la la la la la la

You are full of ****, tens of thousands wouldnt die, like i said. Syria knows what will happen to them, and they don't want that.

So get your Anti-American **** out of here...

1.) No reason to allow weapon inspectors if Israel doesn´t do it.

2.) US won´t attack Syria, they don´t have the balls politically.

3.) Conclusion = bull**** (see my previous post).

4.) Lalala, we did stuff like that in kindergarten, how old are you? 16-17?

[ShotOver]

I know you are, but what am i?

[mustamato]

I know you are, but what am i?

A rasistic pervert that wishes arabs dead. Well as I said, as long as the jews (the Israelis that is) doesn´t allow inspectors there is no need for Syria to do it either. The world is backing them up on this one. It´s just empty words from the americans and hypocrits like you.

[ShotOver]

I know you are, but what am i?

[mustamato]

I know you are, but what am i?

Obviously retarded, I see that you don´t have any answers. So I guess I was right, you just want to see them dead, probably because of racism. Sad really. Take care mate :roll:

[ShotOver]

I know you are, but what am i?

[fred_engles]

Damn it, I really try not to get involved in the flame-wars and so on, but...


1) mustamato is a touch too leftish at times, including on this thread: Syria is a deeply problematic regime, and I would very much like to see increased pressure on them (not a war, though). Also, the fact that Israel is not inspected has little bearing on the Syria situation. I agree, however, that the theory that the mythical Iraqi WMDs being in Syria is idiotic.
2) PT is a tool. He is not, however, by all indications, someone who "wishes [all] arabs dead." Calm down mustamato.

Let's keep it civil, kids.

[ShotOver]

1) mustamato is a touch too leftish at times, including on this thread: Syria is a deeply problematic regime, and I would very much like to see increased pressure on them (not a war, though). Also, the fact that Israel is not inspected has little bearing on the Syria situation. I agree, however, that the theory that the mythical Iraqi WMDs being in Syria is idiotic.
2) PT is a tool. He is not, however, by all indications, someone who "wishes [all] arabs dead." Calm down mustamato.

I know YOU are, but what am I?

[mustamato]

1) mustamato is a touch too leftish at times, including on this thread: Syria is a deeply problematic regime, and I would very much like to see increased pressure on them (not a war, though). Also, the fact that Israel is not inspected has little bearing on the Syria situation. I agree, however, that the theory that the mythical Iraqi WMDs being in Syria is idiotic.

2) PT is a tool. He is not, however, by all indications, someone who "wishes [all] arabs dead." Calm down mustamato.[/size]

1.) The fact that Israel is not inspected is quite a important factor when it comes to Syria, it´s simply hypocritical to put pressure on them while not even inspecting Israel.

2.) Yeah. One obedient tool = one vote when he gets old enough.

[ShotOver]

Q. Why did the chicken cross the road?
A. Because mustamato was talking **** on the other side.

rofl

[Basil]

Excuses to attack them? Have we already forgotten the "evidence" about the Iraqi WMD? Aaah I assume that it must be aaaaall of these that are in Syria now

Iraq had WMD mate, they used them against there own countrymen in Northern Iraq, and against Iranian troops.

If you believe everything you see in the media your an idiot frankly. Basically the Iraqi WMD was the biggst program in terms of Chemical Weaponry and a fairly developed Biological program. Everyone knows about Anthrax, Iraq also had VX nerve agent. The UN found 50 tons of it in 1998/1999, they only found the store because of a tip off. bfore the VX was found Intel had no idea that Iraq had VX.

Even when UN weapon inspectors were destroying WMD caches after the first Gulf War Iraq denied having any WMD- even while U teams were destroying it. Most of the countries that opposed the War the most are the most guilty- i.e. Russia, France and Germany- Tabun, Sarin, VX, Iraqi Nuclear Weapons program etc.


As to lack of WMD so far, don't believe what the media are reporting. Sudan has actually used Iraqi Air Force Pilots and chemicals to attack the Chritian Minorities in the Country. Also Iraqi Nuclear scientists were starting up the Libyan Nuc Weapons program, in addition to helping Libya's program. Starting to see why Libya came Clean?

Re: Syria, I've seen the odd Sat photo of Chem Weapon plants and I'm inclined to say they are, bit to convienent to have an SA-2 SAM and SA-6 battery within 5 miles of one of there biggest Plants.


Also another reason why the finding of WMD has been so hard is storgae, Pre First Gulf War, air delivered WMD were stored in distinctive S shaped bunkers post Gulf War the Iraqi's learnt there lesson and weren't so obvious abouut it.

Also again in 99 OP Desert Fox took out a bunch of L-29 Delfin drones converted to spray with Chem weapons, it was reported as Sarin- but in truth they had been developed for VX.

[ShotOver]

Yeah, take that mustamato you wanker.

:lol:

[martinexsquaddie]

well if there were any WMD ready in 45 minutes they should have turned up by now.

[mustamato]

Excuses to attack them? Have we already forgotten the "evidence" about the Iraqi WMD? Aaah I assume that it must be aaaaall of these that are in Syria now

Iraq had WMD mate, they used them against there own countrymen in Northern Iraq, and against Iranian troops.

If you believe everything you see in the media your an idiot frankly. Basically the Iraqi WMD was the biggst program in terms of Chemical Weaponry and a fairly developed Biological program. Everyone knows about Anthrax, Iraq also had VX nerve agent. The UN found 50 tons of it in 1998/1999, they only found the store because of a tip off. bfore the VX was found Intel had no idea that Iraq had VX.

Even when UN weapon inspectors were destroying WMD caches after the first Gulf War Iraq denied having any WMD- even while U teams were destroying it. Most of the countries that opposed the War the most are the most guilty- i.e. Russia, France and Germany- Tabun, Sarin, VX, Iraqi Nuclear Weapons program etc.


As to lack of WMD so far, don't believe what the media are reporting. Sudan has actually used Iraqi Air Force Pilots and chemicals to attack the Chritian Minorities in the Country. Also Iraqi Nuclear scientists were starting up the Libyan Nuc Weapons program, in addition to helping Libya's program. Starting to see why Libya came Clean?

Re: Syria, I've seen the odd Sat photo of Chem Weapon plants and I'm inclined to say they are, bit to convienent to have an SA-2 SAM and SA-6 battery within 5 miles of one of there biggest Plants.


Also another reason why the finding of WMD has been so hard is storgae, Pre First Gulf War, air delivered WMD were stored in distinctive S shaped bunkers post Gulf War the Iraqi's learnt there lesson and weren't so obvious abouut it.

Also again in 99 OP Desert Fox took out a bunch of L-29 Delfin drones converted to spray with Chem weapons, it was reported as Sarin- but in truth they had been developed for VX.

Well nobody has denied that Saddam had WMD. But Halabja and the Iran-Iraq war is quite irrelevant since it was prior to the first gulf war. After that there was put heavy sanctions and inspections on Iraq.

What you say happened after that I see as much speculation, Iraqi pilotes in Sudan? L-29 Delfin drones with VX? And what is the source for that? If i remember it correctly the -99 bombing campaign was a aerial one. So the claim that they were VX canisters is probably the same that claimed that in the UN, prior to the second gulf war presenting "evidence". Oh yeah I do remember watching Powell sitting there and presenting those satellit photos and what not. I am sure US can present the same convincing 11.000 pages of documents with a lot of satellit photos one more time, but this time about Syria and still don´t find anything.

Credibility is not only running low, it doesn´t exist anymore.

[Basil]

Well nobody has denied that Saddam had WMD. But Halabja and the Iran-Iraq war is quite irrelevant since it was prior to the first gulf war. After that there was put heavy sanctions and inspections on Iraq.

What you say happened after that I see as much speculation, Iraqi pilotes in Sudan? L-29 Delfin drones with VX? And what is the source for that? If i remember it correctly the -99 bombing campaign was a aerial one. So the claim that they were VX canisters is probably the same that claimed that in the UN, prior to the second gulf war presenting "evidence". Oh yeah I do remember watching Powell sitting there and presenting those satellit photos and what not. I am sure US can present the same convincing 11.000 pages of documents with a lot of satellit photos one more time, but this time about Syria and still don´t find anything.

Credibility is not only running low, it doesn´t exist anymore.

Mate 1999 is well after gulf war and in that time they develop 50 tons of VX and somehow 200 tons of VX suddenly dissapears along with 200 tons of Sarin, 300 litres of anthrax and the list goes on.

99 campaign was aerial, the source was Arab news quoted form the Iraqi Government and backed up by Sat Imagery of L-29' put in open- not the stuff Powell showed.

The Syrian weapon plants are there mate, just as sure as the Israeli Nuc Plants in the Negev.

As to finding stuff, I know a mate who was with the Brits- non-military so he can talk about some things. Basically the Brit Chem warning gear would go off with VX warning's whenever an Iraqi artillery battery was hit by allied airpower or Artillery and the wind was blowing towards them, whenever the wind was blowing towards Iraqi postions there where no warnings.

Re: Sudan - thats old news- long before Pwelll's comments. Oh did you not notice the war of Genocide going on in Sudan and Osama is an old mate to Sudan. Awfully close to Somalia as well

[Seiyuuki]

Bull****.


1.) No reason to allow weapon inspectors if Israel doesn´t do it.

2.) US won´t attack Syria, they don´t have the balls politically.

3.) Conclusion = bull**** (see my previous post).

4.) Lalala, we did stuff like that in kindergarten, how old are you? 16-17?

You shouldn't be contradicting yourself

[mustamato]

You shouldn't be contradicting yourself

Or maybe you should read what I wrote one more time and not necessarily search for the answer that suits you.

[AFG]

Q. Why did the chicken cross the road?
A. Because mustamato was talking **** on the other side.

rofl

no actually the chicken crossed the road becuase... (http://www.wildcrazy.com/chicken.htm)


u guys are too funny rofl

but if the worst comes to worst (war), hopefully we'll have hte support of Israel along with coalition forces.

[mustamato]

but if the worst comes to worst (war), hopefully we'll have hte support of Israel along with coalition forces.

I doubt it. By the same reason they didn´t participate in this war. It would be political suicide.

[Truthsayer]

Yeah, take that mustamato you wanker.

:lol:

[and some 20 inflamatory posts in one day]

What are this boards rules on flaming and calling names or attacking other posters with postings like the one above?

Is it alright for anyone or must the user come from "the right country"?

Can I for example change my location to the "US", or must I be a spooken part of the right-wign-christian-coalition that is pro-war no-matter what country that is getting invaded to get this "flame anyone as much as you want"-card?

Hood?

[StarvingStudent47]

Israel has always volunteered to help out. Both Gulf Wars. This war, we politely turned them down. First Gulf War, we had to firmly tell them "do NOT get involved"--especially when their cities were getting pounded by Iraqi SCUDs. Blame Israeli non-involvement on the direct orders of Bush Sr and Bush Jr, not on any sort of Israeli cowardice sor selfishness. For both Gulf Wars the IDF was cocked, locked, and ready to rock.

[ShotOver]

Yeah, i fail to understand where mustamato's claims of tens of thousands of deaths will happen, if the US has "not enough balls" to attack Syria?

Hes talking out of the wrong hole again, as usual.

[Maverick77]

**** Syria

Invade them anyway


its time to get rid of these ****in regimes that support terrorism.

Syria, Iran, North Korea

[wholagun]

f*** Syria

Invade them anyway


its time to get rid of these f*** regimes that support terrorism.

Syria, Iran, North Korea

HHMMM its interesting how you mentioned all the regimes that support terrorism. N. Korea WTF are you on dude. Since when do they support terror? Do they have nukes. Yes. Do they support terror. No. Don't assume just because any state has weapons of mass destruction immediatly every thinks terror. Why did you fail to included the biggest fianceer of terror Saudi Arabia? Could it have somehting to do with oil?

Its amazing how you guys jump the band wagon to war with Syria after reading that little blurb about weapons being in Syria. No case has even been made that they even are there just statements. US and its coalition is in Iraq and in a mess there - don't you guys think that you need to fix that problem before you move on?

[Maverick77]

Its only a matter of time before a WMD from NK does something.

Syria supports Hezbolla Islamic Jihad and probley a **** load of other organizations.

These people hate the United States and are doing everything they can right now to get WMDs to use on U.S targets.

You can wait for it to happen

or do something about it

its just that simple.

[NeedsABetterName]

OK mustamato,SHUT THE **** UP ALREADY!Like PT said,Syria isn't stupid!They saw what happened in Iraq,think,if you were in the Syrian Head of State position,you have been acused of buying the Iraqi WOMDs,and if you dont let the UN inspectiors in,it will probally end in a war resulting in 10s of thousands of Syrian deaths...If you give a damn about your people,you'd let em in.He (PT) probally does care,dosent want to see another war.He did not say that he didnt care about the result of a war!!

[NeedsABetterName]

Oh and about Israel and GW1,the Isrealis were allowed to send two SCUD hunting teams into Iraq,on the condition that they DID NOT GET CAPTURED.Their uniforms were blank,no ID was carried,and each team member was issued a suicide capsule,rather than be captured.They operated in N. Iraq,and Bush sr. let them in under pressure from Israel.They threatened to enter the war if they were not let in.THAT shows how ready the Israelis were to defend their homeland,and they are ABSOLUTELY NOT cowards,in fact they are one of the best armies of the world in my list,tied with the US and Britan in my opinion.

[GazB]

"Re: Syria, I've seen the odd Sat photo of Chem Weapon plants and I'm inclined to say they are, bit to convienent to have an SA-2 SAM and SA-6 battery within 5 miles of one of there biggest Plants."

Wouldn't their biggest chemical plant be in an industrial area? And wouldn't military weapons be produced in industrial areas too? Doesn't that make them military targets?

"Mate 1999 is well after gulf war and in that time they develop 50 tons of VX and somehow 200 tons of VX suddenly dissapears along with 200 tons of Sarin, 300 litres of anthrax and the list goes on."

Well I am very impressed. Do you know how much effort it would take to make700 tons of dangerous chemicals disappear like that? What made these 700 tons of chemicals?

"99 campaign was aerial, the source was Arab news quoted form the Iraqi Government and backed up by Sat Imagery of L-29' put in open- not the stuff Powell showed. "

Hahahahahaha. Very funny. An incredibly short range aircraft that is used for basic jet flight training with a very small payload is converted to a crop sprayer.... very funny. With such "evidence" it is amazing they haven't got anything they can parade in front of the press yet.

"The Syrian weapon plants are there mate, just as sure as the Israeli Nuc Plants in the Negev."

That might be correct, but they have as much right to make such weapons as Israel does.

According to what you have said they have had access to 700 tons of WMD for how many months now? I guess all Israelis must have been killed by anthrax and nerve agent?

"As to finding stuff, I know a mate who was with the Brits- non-military so he can talk about some things. Basically the Brit Chem warning gear would go off with VX warning's whenever an Iraqi artillery battery was hit by allied airpower or Artillery and the wind was blowing towards them, whenever the wind was blowing towards Iraqi postions there where no warnings. "

So what you are saying is that every Iraqi artillery batallion was not only armed with WMD but the ammo was actually being issued at unit level.

If that were true and the wespons inspectors still can't find ANY evidence of WMDs then they never will find them because they must be morons.

"Re: Sudan - thats old news- long before Pwelll's comments. Oh did you not notice the war of Genocide going on in Sudan and Osama is an old mate to Sudan. Awfully close to Somalia as well"

When Saddam gassed Iranian troops he had the full support of the US. When he gassed the Kurds (which wanted autonomy and therefore were more of a terrorist group to him than loyal citizens) the US initially blamed the Iranians. Even when it was proven to be Saddams work the US did nothing. If that is the case why care about what is happening in Sudan.

Also the attempt at a link between Saddam an Osama is the funniest joke I have heard in a while. The US was jumping up and down with evidence of a link for quite some time before it was pointed out the links were between Osama and the Kurds... ie Saddams ENEMIES... tha the US was helping with its northern no fly zone.

"its time to get rid of these f*** regimes that support terrorism. "

So I guess bombs will descend on Washington very soon. US support or supported many terrorist organistations... the IRA, the KLA, the Taleban.

"These people hate the United States and are doing everything they can right now to get WMDs to use on U.S targets."

If they did want to use WMDs on the US they would more than likely use the WMDS the US already has...

"They saw what happened in Iraq,think,if you were in the Syrian Head of State position,you have been acused of buying the Iraqi WOMDs,and if you dont let the UN inspectiors in,it will probally end in a war resulting in 10s of thousands of Syrian deaths..."

I doubt the US could actually manage to attack Syria... they are already too busy... and if they have no proof Syria has such weapons it is very unlikely anyone will help them.

"They threatened to enter the war if they were not let in.THAT shows how ready the Israelis were to defend their homeland,and they are ABSOLUTELY NOT cowards,in fact they are one of the best armies of the world in my list,tied with the US and Britan in my opinion."

I very much doubt he meant Iraelis were cowards... more likely the involvement of Israelis would make assistance by Arab states unlikely and Arab states are useful due to their proximity.

Regarding the attack on Iraq it basically went ahead because it could be argued that saddam was a rather bad leader and a threat in the region... ie might effect oil supplies. The leader of Syria cannot be portrayed the same way... and if all you have is that Syria supports those who oppose Israel then most people will not be convinced... except americans and israelis.

[UoUo]

Americans and Israelis are fine with me.

That all we need to stop syria.

[mustamato]

I have a feeling of that the american politicans is more realistic than our sionistic friends on this forum. Any major IDF offensive in to Syria? Oh please. Sure Israel can handle Syria, but can Israel handle the rest of the world that would just puke in hatred over the jews? It would not only be political suicide, that´s one thing for sure. Iraq and the idiot Saddam no one (even in the arab world) liked anyway is one thing, Syria is not the same thing.

[IDFM203]

Wow your “puking” of hatred before anything has even happened :roll:


I have a feeling of that the american politicans is more realistic than our sionistic friends on this forum. . . “Your” Zionist “friends” are defiantly more realistic then you are, that I know for sure!!

Anyways, despite perhaps a couple of exited members, most Israelis aren’t talking about any major offensive against Syria.

Now there is talk of certain operation’s depending on certain circumstances and things of that nature, but there is no planned invasion or anything of that scale. (Unless of course if they plan to invade us like in 1967).


but can Israel handle the rest of the world that would just puke in hatred over the jews? . yes I understand already that when Israel defends it self it elicits the response you gave :roll:

Well too F*cking bad!!


As for Israel handling the world, what, for example Sweden is going to invade Israel? rofl


It would not only be political suicide, that’s one thing for sure. . In the case that Israel would invade it would only be one of extreme national defense, and in that case, Ill take political suicide (if that were to be the unfortunate outcome) over real national suicide any day of the week.

But yeah, I guess all it took was fifty years, and we are now back to pre 1939 attitudes and prejudices.(well it was always still there, though it has been a bit more hidden till now)

Yeah we see how “progressive” you guys really are :roll:

Anyways the difference now is that while I wish these attitudes weren’t so, nonetheless I am not as concerned about it as if I would be without the protection of Israel and the IDF, like the Jews were in the 1930’s and 40’s (and of course before the 30’s as well).



Iraq and the idiot Saddam no one (even in the arab world) Yeah no one in the Arab world liked him :roll: . A true mid east expert here.....not!! oh and spare me the GW1 invasion or the few quotes to western media by some Arab leaders about their “supposed attitudes against Iraq”, for their not a true representation of what a lot of the average Arab in the mid east thought of him.

Anyways……………….


Iraq and the idiot Saddam no one (even in the arab world) liked anyway is one thing, Syria is not the same thing. Well besides Syria being a totalitarian dictatorship, that has killed thousands of its own people or thousands of Lebanese in non war situations, (the complete wipe out of an entire village called Hama, where they killed over 30,000 people in one day!! Is but one example) or tortured them in their prisons, to Syria funding various outside terrorists groups that at times purposely and intentionally target civilians (when I say outside, I mean outside of any self defense issues that they might have) to them in recent times having WMD’s (the varying degrees of what it has and what types are moot point, for whether its chemical weapons or nukes, they both can kill millions of people), well besides all that, yeah their nothing like Iraq :roll:

Oh, and besides all that, they only threaten the Jew’s anyway’s, Im mean who cares, they deserve to be wiped out anyways once and for all :roll: right ;) :roll:



As for the U.S. and what it might do, in truth I don’t think that they will invade, though I think they will make some “loud noises” and make bigger threats for Syria to change and I think that will be enough for now, for regardless of what you think about the legitimacy of the Iraq war, what’s certain is that a U.S. threat to invade will be taken much much more seriously now then if that threat was made before the invasion when it would probably have been laughed at.

One thing is certain, when the U.S. now talks tuff and demands change, those nations are defiantly listening in a real and genuine way, which is something that didn’t happen before.





You know after seeing your posts for a while, I am pretty confident in my feelings that your pure hatred for Israel and the U.S. far outweigh and override your supposed “concerns” for the Palestinians or for the Iraqi’s

Your fake crocodile tears about their “plight” is not fooling anyone!!



Shalom :D

[mustamato]

Wow your “puking” of hatred before anything has even happened :roll:

I remember one particular street theater were a group of swedish kids had old swedish m/59 uniforms on them (green and quite similar to those IDF uses today), and with star of david on them. And they were abusing and harassing a couple of kids that were dressed up like palestinians. One old man that passed by got so upset by seeing this so he started to bashing the IDF-lookalikes, or tried to, they chased him away. I thought of him as Mr UN that got chased away by IDF :)

Anyway. The fun thing here in Sweden is that there is a party called Sverigedemokraterna, the media and all the other parties call them "nazis" and "racist scum", they are extrem right. And they are pro-Israel! So being pro-Israel is really for them that´s "not politically correct". I know that all countries are not like Sweden, we have after all a tradition of anti-zionism with prime ministers like Olof Palme that was openly against Israeli politics, (maybe it was Mossad that assasinated him in -86? Who knows).

The rest of Europe is more or less pro-Israel still, we even allow you to be in our Eurovision song contest and have to listen to those transvestites you keep sending (remember Dana International? :roll: ). But by your stretching pf the friendship to new levels all the time, like would be the case if attacking Syria by ridiculous and made up reasons as "Oh my God, they have WMD, we have too but let´s not be hypocritical now, let´s just attack them" I think that the rest of Europe would be like Sweden very soon as well.

No more Israel in the Eurovision song contest then, etc etc.

[Argyll]

This sums up the whole of the Middle East

http://www.wtv-zone.com/tigershark/Pgs/scorpion-frog.html

There are way too many paranoid people who think the stockpile for WMD's lies solely in this region.they are fools to think that.
I've said this before and I'll say it again,why risk trying to smuggle such items out of,and into another country,when it would be so much easier to procure them in that country,or even manufacture it?
Remember the Tokyo subway attack,with the Sarin?Where do you think that came from,not the ME,thats for sure,has anyone actually got any idea just how unstable these products are for you're average "**** for brains" bomber to be carrying,they require stability,and be kept in a controlled environment,not bounced around in a 4x4 driving across the ME enroute to wherever!
IF and a big IF,700tonnes of WMD was moved into Syria,why the fok was it not detected by the US Intelleigence agencies?,do you not also think that SF teams were only inserted into Iraq the night before the attack,they'd have been "monitoring" these routes for exactly this purpose?
Have you any idea the size of stockpile,and the number of vehicles needed to carry this amount,you would need something like 1000 articulated trucks to move that amount,and I'm pretty sure that would be noticed,don't you?

[martinexsquaddie]

Argyll they were moved by subterran camel trains :lol:

[IDFM203]

Wow your “puking” of hatred before anything has even happened :roll:

I remember one particular street theater were a group of swedish kids had old Swedish……. Just curious, did those “Palestinians” also throw rocks or “blow themselves up” at innocents in that play? Did they also throw stones and provide cover for their “older” brothers, to constantly shoot at those “Israelis” or did they etc…… your theater story, while interesting (be it made up or real) is quite flawed as any real example to the real situation in many ways (not to mention ignoring a broader context of history with regards to the other Arab nations), but hey what do I except, it was made up by KIDS (as is your view ;) ).



Anyway. The fun thing here in Sweden is that there is a party called Sverigedemokraterna, the media and all the other parties call them "nazis" and "racist scum", they are extrem right. And they are pro-Israel! So being pro-Israel is really for them that´s "not politically correct".. wow, so the extreme left (or even just the regular left) are rabidly anti Semitic and the extreme right for the most part are too (except perhps for that party ;) ) , gees, I guess all it takes is the Jews for there to be a unifying factor between both extremes.

Only in Europe……. :roll:


I know that all countries are not like Sweden, . no you have more in common with other European nations, to the degree perhaps can be debated, but its not a big difference.

Sorry I know you like to think your country has some special unique status, but with Israel you don’t and your not unique ;)



we have after all a tradition of anti-zionism with prime ministers like Olof Palme that was openly against Israeli politics, (maybe it was Mossad that assasinated him in -86? Who knows). . what do you mean by who knows?? Here I can confirm it now ;) , yes it was the Mossad….here go run tell your friends.

You know while I am here spilling state secrets, I might as well tell you a few more in the interest of my new “friendship” with you ;) . You know the JFK assassination…well yeah that’s right, you suspected it (don’t tell me you didn’t ;) ) and yes indeed it was the Mossad!! Oh and throughout the years there have been a number of Swedish politicians that have died and the media has said in those cases that it was from natural causes (like old age)………..hmmm, but was it really? Yep I can tell you now that those ”natural causes”, were really the mossad’s handywork ;)

There is more but that’s enough for now.

Oh and don’t worry mustamato, your preatty safe, I put in a good word for you. ;)



The rest of Europe is more or less pro-Israel still, we even allow you to be in our Eurovision song contest . ahh yes “allowing us” (I say thank you Europe with my bated breath ;) ) in the world “esteemed” Eurovision is all the proof that we need to see that Europe is in fact pro Israel rofl

I will send this memo out to my fellow Israel’s that their views were misguided on Europe because of the “allowence” to the Euro vision rofl




and have to listen to those transvestites you keep sending (remember Dana International? :roll: ). . ahh so now your getting how we feel about you ;)

Believe me that was on purpose ;)



But by your stretching pf the friendship to new levels all the time, like would be the case if attacking Syria by ridiculous and made up reasons as "Oh my God, they have WMD, we have too but let´s not be hypocritical now, let´s just attack them" . friendship?? I never knew we had one before…………..oh well..

Anyways, if they dont have it we wont attack, if they do (which they do have) and are threatening to use it offensively then perhaps we will go after those sites.

Hell Israel hasn’t attacked Syria since the pre-emption in 1967. its not now unless it is being threatned.

As of now there has been no talk of Israel invading…. you can rest easy that your Arab “brothers” wont be invaded now by the Jews.

As for hypocory, yeah that's hilarious, seeing some Euro lecture me about hypocrisy rofl




I think that the rest of Europe would be like Sweden very soon as well. I didn’t realize that they all have to catch up to Sweden’s level :roll:

I always thought that there were other euro nations that had high levels of anti Semitism.

Oh well, they all share the same attitudes about Israel (Jews) and always have…just in the past fifty years its been a bit more hidden.

I guess now they are coming out more in the open with it…you know part of those “progressive” stances that I hear so much about ;)


No more Israel in the Eurovision song contest then, etc etc.oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo what are we going to do??? How are we going to survive without that?? The horror I tell you, the horror……………….. rofl rofl

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

Anyway. The fun thing here in Sweden is that there is a party called Sverigedemokraterna, the media and all the other parties call them "nazis" and "racist scum", they are extrem right. And they are pro-Israel! So being pro-Israel is really for them that´s "not politically correct".. wow, so the extreme left (or even just the regular left) are rabidly anti Semitic and the extreme right for the most part are too (except perhps for that party ;) ) , gees, I guess all it takes is the Jews for there to be a unifying factor between both extremes.

Only in Europe……. :roll:

Well. The leftists are anti-zionists. Difference difference. Those Sverigedemokraterna (SD) are probably slightly anti-semitic, but also pro-zionistic because the Israeli apartheid policy and so forth is exactly what they want in Sweden, and you and them of course have the same enemy: the muslims.

http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se/sd/lang_eng.shtml

And as of curiosity, those that really are anti-semitic in Sweden (the nazis) and don´t hide that, does consider SD as traitors and part of ZOG :D

[IDFM203]

Well. The leftists are anti-zionists. Difference difference. yes as you (and they) try to say…………..at the high level of incitement and rhetoric and false accusations in the past few years, there really is no more difference…believe me whatever line there might have been, was crossed over a while ago.

But hey you can continue with your false justifiable hate and mask it up with all sorts of word play’s, But you wont be fooling me nor anyone else.


Those Sverigedemokraterna (SD) are probably slightly anti-semitic, haha, slightly anti Semitic……oh gees what’s fully anti sematic then??



but also pro-zionistic because the Israeli apartheid policy what they want and what Israel is doing is completely different. They want to a build apartheid wall or whatever while Israel is building its security, anti terror fence to keep out what was once constant homicide bombers walking into restaurants, discos’ pizza shops, and busses and massacring hundreds of innocent man women and children.


I don’t see any of that happening in Sweden…. Big difference in their supposed walls purpose and ours.



and so forth is exactly what they want in Sweden, and you and them of course have the same enemy: the muslims. my enemy is Muslim terrorists and those that support them or Muslims that want to see Israel destroyed and not Muslims in general.

They hate Muslims period, and that’s racist, kind of like your hatred for Jews. Both are the same hatred, simply with different targets (though I am sure that they hate Jews as well)

Shalom :D

[Argyll]

Another thread that has gone down the pan with the Israel V Palestinian debates,this is getting tiresome and annonying,why can't people keep these topics on track,without having them desend into Israel V's the rest of the World(cept the USA ;) )statements ,counterstatements,insinuations and counter insinuations..........it's high time that a seperate forum for this be started as it's spoiling a good sight,and no I'm not anti Semetic,I'm just pissed off!!! :bash:

[IDFM203]

Another thread that has gone down the pan with the Israel V Palestinian debates,this is getting tiresome and annonying,why can't people keep these topics on track,without having them desend into Israel V's the rest of the World(cept the USA ;) )statements ,counterstatements,insinuations and counter insinuations..........it's high time that a seperate forum for this be started as it's spoiling a good sight,and no I'm not anti Semetic,I'm just pissed off!!! :bash: I hear you and while I guess I am partly at fault for participating in some of these discussions, it should be noted that I am mostly responding and not initiating and any wrath or any contempt for these types of threads should be directed more at those that initiate those inflammatory threads or postings.

P.S. Argyll, I am pissed off about this as well and no I too am not anti Semitic ;)

Shalom :D

[Seoulstriker]

Bull****.


hmmmmm.... yeaaah... :roll:

you're right: Syria DOESN'T have iraq's WMD. :roll:

[Argyll]

That's funny..............coz neither does Iraq!!!! rofl

[Beowulf]

That's funny..............coz neither does Iraq!!!! rofl

That was pretty funny....

[garyfanclub]

I have a feeling of that the american politicans is more realistic than our sionistic friends on this forum. Any major IDF offensive in to Syria? Oh please. Sure Israel can handle Syria, but can Israel handle the rest of the world that would just puke in hatred over the jews? It would not only be political suicide, that´s one thing for sure. Iraq and the idiot Saddam no one (even in the arab world) liked anyway is one thing, Syria is not the same thing.

You speak for the rest of the world musty? You're probably part of the Hitler Fan Club anyway.

[mustamato]

yes as you (and they) try to say…………..at the high level of incitement and rhetoric and false accusations in the past few years, there really is no more difference…believe me whatever line there might have been, was crossed over a while ago. But hey you can continue with your false justifiable hate and mask it up with all sorts of word play’s, But you wont be fooling me nor anyone else..

And what you really try to throw into my face is that I´m anti-semitic just because I don´t like what Israel does on palestinian territory? Makes sence. And that the majority of the people in Sweden and Europe are anti-semitic by the same reason? Makes sence. The dogmatic thruth from your side, then it at the same time means that you think that we (I) consider you as a filthy untermensch. The question is, why do I then even bother to argue with you?

Simply, it´s time for a paradigm change in your way of thinking.

[IDFM203]

And what you really try to throw into my face is that I´m anti-semitic just because I don´t like what Israel does on palestinian territory? well if it were merely honest and justified criticism and conducted in a constructive and fair way then I wouldn’t have any problem with it, however again “at the high level of incitement and rhetoric and false accusations in the past few years, there really is no more difference…believe me whatever line there might have been, was crossed over a while ago. But hey you can continue with your false justifiable hate and mask it up with all sorts of word play’s, But you wont be fooling me nor anyone else"

And your rhetoric and tone now agian confirm to me on what I said to you before that “I am pretty confident in my feelings that your pure hatred for Israel and the U.S. far outweigh and override your supposed “concerns” for the Palestinians or for the Iraqi’s

Your fake crocodile tears about their “plight” is not fooling anyone!!”


Makes sence. And that the majority of the people in Sweden and Europe are anti-semitic by the same reason? Makes sence. I never said majority, though I know a lot are due to the above reasons but if you say majority well ……………….. :roll:



The dogmatic thruth from your side, ahh yes its only Jews that are dogmatic :roll:

Oh and the truth from our side is a bit more reliable then your “truth” being that we experince and see it first hand it unlike what you see on you BS and slanted media shows.


then it at the same time means that you think that we (I) consider you as a filthy untermensch. well the fact that you use that language even in trying to make you stupid point, tells me that you do.

Anyways I couldn’t care less that you think that about us.

Sorry this isn’t pre 1945 anymore and your feelings of Jews as such aren’t really making any difference in my psyche towards you.

To me its just a Euro trash’s opinion, quite worthless if you ask me.(and to the other euros here, this is directed specifically at mustamato and not to the rest of you)



The question is, why do I then even bother to argue with you? you know I ask myself that as well.

For me I answer it that I know there are people like you out there and arguing with the likes of you further allows me to understand my convictions better and to know the realties in this world instead of burying my head in the sand that people like you don’t exist when they do.

I mean if I wanted to hear only positive things about Israel or the IDF I can go to some pro Israel site, No, in some wired way, I like your opposite opinion’s even if it’s a BS one as they usually are.

It keeps me sharp ;)




Simply it´s time for a paradigm change in your way of thinking. no its high time that you get a real and true reality grip of what’s really going here where I have seen and experienced a lot of what I talk about, instead of you simply believing all and any of the warped and false crap that you read from your safe distance in Sweden.

But hey I don’t expect you grasp on what I just said :roll:

Oh well……………….

Shalom :D

[WARPIG]

Anyone notice how these mental midgets like mustamato cry out for more proof and bigger definition to prove reasonable doubt against regimes like those in Syria, Iraq and Palestine? Look back and read the way mustamato won’t accept details and evidence to point fingers at Syria yet paints a picture of the US jumping the gun and invading. When he goes to list his own details and evidence to support his theory it seems to be enough to prove absolute guilt. Dismissing historical evidence as irrelevant because it doesn’t support his views; clouding the subject with hateful rhetoric; attacking someone else’s credibility because he deems it not credible…. all shows how ego, hatred and self doubt can close a mind tighter than bank lock box.
Most of us enjoy the “alternate” opinions of others… though we may not admit it. I for one tire of this uncreative and unsubstantial US hating. It reminds me of adolescent bickering about whether my superhero can beat up your superhero. Bring some credibility, creativity, or at least bring some damn intellect.

Like so many have told you.. and as I have told so many...

Keep spewing that verbal diarrhea from the safety of anonimity, apathy, and inaction. Courage damands action. What action have you ever attempted?

[BMF_EOD]

I know of a country that has WMDs.

This country has recently invaded other contries killing many civilians in the process.

This country can hit any one of their neighbors within 45 mintues with a host of weapons.(Nuke, Anthrax, VX, Sarin, etc..)

This country has defied th UN on several occasions.

This country is the US of A of which I proudly serve as a US Navy EOD technician.

If you are an American stop talking out of your ass and representing the American people as ignorant dip****s.

We have blood on our hands. Your personal ideas of right and wrong and your inability to reflect them in an intelectual manner only serve to fuel the Anti-American fire that is sweeping the world. Be a man and face the cold hard facts... Sometimes even the best make mistakes. Learn. Fix. Drive on.

"Walk softly and carry a big stick"

[Old300]

This is my first post, but I've been reading the forums on this site for a while now.

My impression is that there are some people here who either can't or won't accept the fact that, for all its faults, America is a benevolent power that has done the world more good than ill.

Was it a good idea to attack Iraq? Would it be a good idea to attack Syria? I don't know, and neither, for many years to come, will anyone else. But I do know something that should be obvious to everyone in this forum: that we're trying and will try to do things that we hope will ultimately make the world a better, safer place.

Of course our national interests are involved: we wouldn't knowingly act counter to them. But, more often than not, I think our national interest is compatible with those of many other nations. In Iraq as in Syria, it is in our interest to bring about democracy and freedom; and to deny madmen the weapons that everyone - including France and the thousands of Iraqi soldiers who had gas masks and antidotes - thought they had.

Will we fail? Maybe. But we're giving it a shot, and our motives are at least as pure as those of any other great power's in history. If you criticize us, keep that in mind and, from time to time, acknowledge it.

[GazB]

BMF_EOD. How rare it is to see such comments.

Mature enough to realise constructive, sensible criticism leads to self growth and personal improvement.

Unfortunately so many see it as a personal attack and reply with comments and accusations of being "unAmerican" or "AntiAmerican".


"My impression is that there are some people here who either can't or won't accept the fact that, for all its faults, America is a benevolent power that has done the world more good than ill."

What faults? Those who disagree or choose not to accept your "facts" are accused of being anti american when they try to point out these faults... simply because if they were unamerican then their criticism can be easily dismissed instead of examined or even just taken seriously.

BTW who really is to judge whether America has done more good than ill... an American or a citizen of the world that america currently tries to dominate?

"I don't know, and neither, for many years to come, will anyone else."

So Bush Jnr and Blair don't know either... I can agree there.

It is funny, but if the Shia majority do rise up and declare an Islamic state Americans will probably judge it a failure, whereas I would not... as long as it is not an extremist lead Islamic state (ie Taleban ruled Afghanistan is a good example of bad).

"But I do know something that should be obvious to everyone in this forum: that we're trying and will try to do things that we hope will ultimately make the world a better, safer place. "

And how many foreigners are you prepared to kill to make the world feel safer for the average American? Most News agencies tried to keep a record of the number of allied troops killed... how many bothered to spare the time to count how many Iraqis died... whether they be enemy combatants or civilians? Funny about how little America seems to care about those they claim to want to liberate.

"If you criticize us, keep that in mind and, from time to time, acknowledge it."

Good intentions at what level? I doubt Bush cares anything at all for the average Iraqi. What is the point of acknowledging good intentions? If I am going to be labelled anti american anyway. And good intentions mean nothing... Sorry Mr and Mrs Iraqi person... your children are dead because some country on the other side of the world after decades of supporting your leader has decided he is bad and the current leader of that big country has decided to give you freedom... whether you want it or not... and that freedom will consist of a few people from that far away country till we can decide how to carve up everything here. When WE are ready we will appoint some locals that are friendly to us to rule you for a while and decide how your government will work. For this you should thank us and tink of us as the good guys. By the way while we are here we will make threatening noises at your neighbours just to stir them up.

I am sure any American citizen would accept such a situation, so why wouldn't the Iraqi people be happy and accept that it is in their best interests to cooperate.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Gazb, you sure are a strange person. You overlook all the good things about america to point out its faults. Yet you do the exact opposite when it come to Soviet Union/Russia. I would suggest you be a little bit more consistent.

[GazB]

"Gazb, you sure are a strange person. You overlook all the good things about america to point out its faults. Yet you do the exact opposite when it come to Soviet Union/Russia. I would suggest you be a little bit more consistent."

First of all why is that strange? Why should it be "normal" to view America is perfect and any other country as evil or bad?

The so called good points are rather hard to find in American politics... as they are in the politics of all countries. I have nothing against American people... some of which I consider my friends, but when was the last time the US did something nice that wasn't also in their interests?

If you had paid attention to what I have written you will see I have defended Russian or Soviet actions or equipment when someone suggests incorrectly that it is bad. The Soviet Union has done bad things, and I have never suggested it hasn't. I have never suggested Stalin was a good guy, but some people seem to think Russia IS Stalin. Yes, Stalin was not very nice but we didn't suffer under him... the Russian people did... and now they are double damned because most in the west equate Russia with one leader it had and managed to survive.

I have also criticised the US... though usually the leadership, for some of the things it has done.

Most of the defenders of the US (as if it needs them) start out with "We saved your asses in WWI and WWII and in the cold war" And when I reply that the US didn't join when everyone else was fighting... they joined later when it was in their interests to join. Much of the cold war was punctuated by stupidity and error... I am rather surprised we survived... except for those who didn't. I mean dropping more bombs in South East Asia than were dropped in WWII without even asking the Vietnamese people what they wanted was a bit rude. Just because the US decided it didn't like a particular form of government does that mean no one else can try it?

Communism is a flawed system of government but then I have yet to see a perfect one. Compared to the West the Eastern block lacked quite a bit, but I would prefer a communist government to what nice friendly democratic US helped into power in Afghanistan. The Taleban weren't very nice at all. The Saudi government isn't all that much better... but they do as they are told so that isn't an urgent problem.

[WARPIG]

Gaz... ever notice that when the words "America is perfect" show up in this forum it is not from people that are publicly Pro American? The Americans are the first people to admit that we have screwed up. Like our EOD buddy pointed out.. we are well aware of the mistakes we make. Mistakes happen when you get involved. Yes there are quite a few people here that can't figure out how to admit that but there are just as many overtly anti Americans too.
The point is .. everyone has some form of bias. When you simply dismiss another view or dismiss facts that don't support your view.. it is called ignorance.
Everyone has some degree of this. When you refuse to see it. Assume that your view is the only view. Then force feed it to a forum that is plainly pro US Military.. well. It makes you an ignorant and possibly stupid person.
The very least we can do is to bring some credibility and intelligence to our arguments and take each opinion with a grain of salt. Simply dismissing them is a sign of a weak mind.

[BMF_EOD]

It's good to see some intelligence exists on the internet. (whether or not they agree).

I am as Pro-American as they come. I am serving (and have been for 11 years) in the US armed forces. I have been to war before and am scheduled to deploy to the Gulf in a few days. l feel somewhat qualified to represent an "American" anytime anywhere in the world.

I have a deep respect for all cultures. I do not play favorites with Israelies, Arabs, Europeans, Africans, Latino or Asians although I do respect them all for their contributions to our world history. I come from the greatest country on earth that was built by Israelies, Arabs, Europeans, Africans, Asians, Latino and a host of others. I have never forgotten this. America is the merging point for all the cultures of the world. This is what makes us great.

I respect every soldier from every country who is fighting for what they believe in is just. That being said I have given my oath to die protecting our way of life. When I see this relentless stupidity of "America rocks, you suck" (by people who have probably never served in the US Armed forces) I feel that my oath, my service, is in vain. I will protect your way of life, your right to free speech, your right to burn my flag. I will come to the aid of any man in any culture who honestly asks for help or extends friendship. I have... and continue... to show my patriotism with actions and not words.

The least you can do is represent us with dignity.

[Fox2]

It's good to see some intelligence exists on the internet. (whether or not they agree).

I am as Pro-American as they come. I am serving (and have been for 11 years) in the US armed forces. I have been to war before and am scheduled to deploy to the Gulf in a few days. l feel somewhat qualified to represent an "American" anytime anywhere in the world.

I have a deep respect for all cultures. I do not play favorites with Israelies, Arabs, Europeans, Africans, Latino or Asians although I do respect them all for their contributions to our world history. I come from the greatest country on earth that was built by Israelies, Arabs, Europeans, Africans, Asians, Latino and a host of others. I have never forgotten this. America is the merging point for all the cultures of the world. This is what makes us great.

I respect every soldier from every country who is fighting for what they believe in is just. That being said I have given my oath to die protecting our way of life. When I see this relentless stupidity of "America rocks, you suck" (by people who have probably never served in the US Armed forces) I feel that my oath, my service, is in vain. I will protect your way of life, your right to free speech, your right to burn my flag. I will come to the aid of any man in any culture who honestly asks for help or extends friendship. I have... and continue... to show my patriotism with actions and not words.

The least you can do is represent us with dignity.

Agreed on all points.


And just to add something to the discussion:


When was the last time the US did something nice that wasn't also in their interests?

When was the last time any country did something nice that wasn't also in its interests?

[TriggerPuller]

mustamato, did you read all of Kays report or are you just flapping that cockholster of yours as usual?

I think Militaryphotos.net should have a box off or NHB competition. I challenge you fuuckwad!!!!! and you better ****ing kill me or i will rip one of your eyes out and show it to you!!! Take your liberal anti American **** to berkley and suck **** with the rest of the Homos.

What about your balls? Got any tough guy? I betcha they are tucked between your legs just like your tail!! A-hole!!

TP

[Fox2]

mustamato, did you read all of Kays report or are you just flapping that cockholster of yours as usual?

I think Militaryphotos.net should have a box off or NHB competition. I challenge you fuuckwad!!!!! and you better f*** kill me or i will rip one of your eyes out and show it to you!!! Take your liberal anti American **** to berkley and suck **** with the rest of the Homos.

What about your balls? Got any tough guy? I betcha they are tucked between your legs just like your tail!! A-hole!!

TP

rofl

I am glad you are on our side and not our enemy's, TP. :D

[TriggerPuller]

mustamato, did you read all of Kays report or are you just flapping that cockholster of yours as usual?

I think Militaryphotos.net should have a box off or NHB competition. I challenge you fuuckwad!!!!! and you better f*** kill me or i will rip one of your eyes out and show it to you!!! Take your liberal anti American **** to berkley and suck **** with the rest of the Homos.

What about your balls? Got any tough guy? I betcha they are tucked between your legs just like your tail!! A-hole!!

TP

rofl

I am glad you are on our side and not our enemy's, TP. :DThanks.Did this guy(mustamato) even serve his country? Fuucking chicken **** liberal BS!!

TP

[Fox2]

Thanks.Did this guy(mustamato) even serve his country? Fuucking chicken **** liberal BS!!

TP

Yes, I think. From what I know, both Sweden and Finland have conscription service.

[usa320]

I have just a breif comment on this thread.

Syria undoubtably has Iraqi WMD in their possesion. It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to just make the volumes of WMD logged by the UN dissapear. Not to mention that while we were busy pussy footing around at the UN US keyhole satellites showed large convoys leaving Iraqi nuclear and chemical facilities, some with as many as 30 vehicles. Sounds a bit odd to me. Now the Monsoor Ijaz report citing sources in Middle Eastern intelligence services that are suggesting that some of the WMD were shipped out to Iran. Lets make it clear and simple.

1. IRAQ HAD WMD.
2. SADDAM HUSSEIN, WITH OR WITHOUT WMD, POSED THE LARGEST THREAT TO THE US.
3. SYRIA SUPPORTS TERRORISM. NO NEED TO ELABORATE, THEY OPENLY ADMIT SUPPORTING HEZBOLLAH AND ISLAMIC JIHAD, MONEY TRAILS ALSO POINT TO AL QUEDA.
4. INTELLIGENCE SUGGESTS IRAQ TRUCKED ITS WMD TO IRAN AND SYRIA.
5. IRAN AND SYRIA ARE BOTH ALSO RUN BY REGIMES THAT POSE A GRAVE THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY.
6. MUSTAMATO IS A JACKASS.
7. NORTH KOREA ALSO POSES A SEVERE THREAT, BUT IM NOT CONFIDANT THAT ALL OTHER MEANS HAVE BEEN USED TO GET THEM TO DISMANTLE THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAMS.

[Argyll]

Prove it?
Thats all that is needed ...........the Intelligence on Iraq was ****e,so waht makes it any better on Syria?


You need to have absoloute proof and not hearsay before you can do anything!
How did Saddam pose a bigger threat to the USA than that of say Saudi,or korea?The largest threat to the US comes from within!
USA supported the IRA and the INLA so what?
Saudia Arabia and Korea are also run by Regimes as are quite a few African nations

Why would Saddam send his stuff to a sworn Enemy,possibly to be used against him in the future.......get real!

[Haiw]

1. IRAQ HAD WMD.
Even Bush and Powell are distantiating themselves from that conclusion... :roll:

2. SADDAM HUSSEIN, WITH OR WITHOUT WMD, POSED THE LARGEST THREAT TO THE US.
You guys took the entire country in a month... one bigass threat he was allright.

3. SYRIA SUPPORTS TERRORISM. NO NEED TO ELABORATE, THEY OPENLY ADMIT SUPPORTING HEZBOLLAH AND ISLAMIC JIHAD, MONEY TRAILS ALSO POINT TO AL QUEDA.
If I'm supposed to believe the US every man and his dog points to Al-Qaeda these days.

4. INTELLIGENCE SUGGESTS IRAQ TRUCKED ITS WMD TO IRAN AND SYRIA.
The same intel Powell used for his beautifull powerpoint presentation? Intelligence suggested they had 45-min capability, etc. etc.

5. IRAN AND SYRIA ARE BOTH ALSO RUN BY REGIMES THAT POSE A GRAVE THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY.
Errm..yeah. Biiiiiiiiiiiig threat to national security. Right now the biggest threat to your NS is propably Saudi Arabia or NK.

7. NORTH KOREA ALSO POSES A SEVERE THREAT, BUT IM NOT CONFIDANT THAT ALL OTHER MEANS HAVE BEEN USED TO GET THEM TO DISMANTLE THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAMS.
What's this?! Hooooly ****, all efforts are made to PREVENT other measures than war in the case of Iraq, but now that we're talking about NK suddenly the diplomacy hat is taken up again?!

[WARPIG]

The stupidity in this thread is amazing. If you pay attention NK is making OVERT threats to draw the US into discussion. They want us to feel threatened so we pay attention to them The whole world knows that the only threat that NK has is its own military. If we get into dialogue with them they promise to dismantle their Nuke and missle programs after we offer to feed the whole country. We are ignoring a spoiled child who is behaving badly for attention.
I don't agree that Iraq posed the biggest threat to the US but really is any amount of evidence going to be enough? What is the requirement for anal retentive, hateful, ignorant pussies to stop riding the US about WMD? If we find one Nuke, you dip****s will say that one is not enough to pose a threat. If we find 1000 tons of VX you say that there is no missles to launch them. No matter the proof, you will not be satisfied. We are done trying to prove it.
Iraq may not have been the biggest threat but it was completely and obviously a threat to the world. Was oil an influence?? Hell yeah! If we can free Iraq, put ourselves in the region, and use their own oil to rebuild their own country.. don't you think that is a better incentive than to offer up a blank check to Korea? Think that was a better move than to send little Ops into pockets of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria without any forces in the region? Hey, Venezuela is know to have logistics lines and money trails tied to Al Qaida.. why not invade it? Venezuela is not a threat to anyone! Saudi Arabia isn't either. They may have cells of Al Qaida or other terrorist cells but the country is not supporting it. It is at most infected by it.
Wholly crap are you people really that stupid? Is the big picture too complicated for your little minds that you focus on what little details you can comprehend and use to support your own bias?


Kick yourselves in the ass!

[Argyll]

1. IRAQ HAD WMD.
Yes he did,much of it was destroyed post 91...however they did say they had other stuff without providing so much as a beaker of proof.......perhaps to make his Iranian Neighbour think about invading his already weakened country?

2. SADDAM HUSSEIN, WITH OR WITHOUT WMD, POSED THE LARGEST THREAT TO THE US.
An Army that was used to be the strongest in the region down to about the 3-4th,ans Air Force that hardly flew at all,and never even attempted to fight back in 03

3. SYRIA SUPPORTS TERRORISM. NO NEED TO ELABORATE, THEY OPENLY ADMIT SUPPORTING HEZBOLLAH AND ISLAMIC JIHAD, MONEY TRAILS ALSO POINT TO AL QUEDA.
So does Pakistan,and Saudi Arabia.The USA also supported the IRA and provided them with funds

4. INTELLIGENCE SUGGESTS IRAQ TRUCKED ITS WMD TO IRAN AND SYRIA.
Just like the Intelligence Britain used was from a students thesis?Why were no SF teams deployed to intercept,considering they were already in country and had been for weeks,possibly months

5. IRAN AND SYRIA ARE BOTH ALSO RUN BY REGIMES THAT POSE A GRAVE THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY.
So are the Saudis

7. NORTH KOREA ALSO POSES A SEVERE THREAT, BUT IM NOT CONFIDANT THAT ALL OTHER MEANS HAVE BEEN USED TO GET THEM TO DISMANTLE THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAMS.
What about their chemical weapons,what about their Subs sitting off the coast of the USA right now?What about the fromer Soviet Union,there are plenty of stockpiles for ANYONE with the right amount of money that cam procure such weapons.Will the USA extend the same deadlines and conditions to the NK's as to those of the Iranians and Syrians?Or are they facing a tougher nut to crack militarily?

[M1A2U2]

Special forces teams cannot go intercept wtvr the hell they feel like if they are not supposed to be in a country in the first place you dumbass. O lets take 10 guys and assault a convoy of 30 trucks. Who cares if they findout we're in their country and if we get caught and the US cant admit to our being there. Special forces guys were there to find targets to be bombed so that when the war started we could bomb those targets. They were not supposed to get into any conflicts. Try some common sense you dumbass liberal

[Argyll]

are you for real?
Thats the very nature of Spec Ops you dumbass!
I'm not a liberal either !
And your Military expertise is what?Counter strike and America's Army online?

UK,and US SOF have operated in numerous countries performing High Speed Ops the World Over,stopping a convoy is nothing,they could have been in and out with proof in less than 1 hour!
You never heard of Snatch squads of SF working in Bosnia/Kosovo/Serbia all grabbing wanted war criminals?You ever been to the Western Iraq desert? Its not like they have payphones to call for help if their convoy got "bounced",you nevr consider that they could have posed as Iraqis and stopped the convoy either...........man you are totally cluless!

[M1A2U2]

you cannot go intercept a convoy of 30 trucks wit a few CIA members when we are still negotiating with a country.


WHAT???

[Argyll]

You can do anything you want to if you have the resources,SF teams were operating out of Jordan too,hell you could intercept and make them take the wagons to Jordan without anyone noticing they were gone.........after all this is what's supposed to have happened right under the most sophisticated Intelligence system in the world,no JSTAR's reports,no satellite images,both HR(High Resoloution) and TI(Thermal Imaging).The negotiating was over months before the war started.To move the stockpiles would have taken weeks to do,if not months,and if this was seen as what's happened then why did they not strike to prevent anything else getting out?That way the WMD's would have been recovered and no longer posed a threat?Instead they let the whole lot just "vanish" and now they have no fuc*ing idea of their wherabouts at all.......yeah a great strategy.......close the stable door after the horse has bolted!!

[M1A2U2]

You are too stubborn to listen to anything i have to say. Though they might be good SFs are not God. Here is all I have to say.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
-Edmund Bourke

[M1A2U2]

O and one more thing did you think it was ok for Clinton to bomb Iraq? and I believe the reasoning behind the war was the 17 ignored resolution by the UN. thanks

[Argyll]

no I'm not stuborn at all,I know the capabilities of the UK SF ,and I'm pretty sure the US SOF could quite easily have pulled something like that off

An interesting signature you have?

So you were in the French Army?................and you have the gall to come here and say what can and cannot be done Militarily?

How many other countries are ignoring UN resoloutions?You want to go to war with them to?

[Haiw]

and I believe the reasoning behind the war was the 17 ignored resolution by the UN. thanks
I don't wanna start anything, but if ignoring resolutions is a reason to bomb a country back to the stoneage then Israël would only be known in our history books...

[kinghk]

and I believe the reasoning behind the war was the 17 ignored resolution by the UN. thanks
I don't wanna start anything, but if ignoring resolutions is a reason to bomb a country back to the stoneage then Israël would only be known in our history books...

Good point :)

[Argyll]

Lets keep the Israel thing out of this,as we'll have IDF providing us with the reason as to why the resoloutions are not recognised ,trust me I've been through all this!

[M1A2U2]

learn to read

[Argyll]

learn to read that's rich,how about you learning to write properly!
US Military is in Capitals,as is Iraq........for someone who has been in the military for the past 13 years plus,your education sucks big time!
Your're either a liar or a poser,as you seem to have no perception of what I was getting at

[Roger Rabbit]

1)your up late Argyll
2)
Air Force that hardly flew at all,and never even attempted to fight back in 03 For those who didnt see a recent documentary on ITV then basically the claims made were that the Americans made a deal with the top Iraqi Air Force leaders who in return for protection at the end of the war agreeded not to carry out any offensive sorties. The images of Coalition bombs falling on an Iraqi Airfield at the begining of the war were infact bombs dropped on out of date aircraft like Mig 17's. The qutoe which went with it was "they bombed a museam." To elaborate i believe what was being implyed was that the aircraft were relics and would never have been much of a threat to anyone except the pilots. Anyway thats me done for tonight.

[Fox2]

Interesting, Rupert.

Did you hear about how a top Iraq Air Force commander was ordered (supposedly by Saddam) to bury his MiG-29s (I believe they were 29s, anyway...) in the sand?

Later on, after the war, he said he was ashamed his leader (Hussein) would make such a stupid call.

[ArmedPacifist]

Bull****.

I know you are, but what is this news report?

Excuses to attack them? Have we already forgotten the "evidence" about the Iraqi WMD? Aaah I assume that it must be aaaaall of these that are in Syria now? :roll:

However Iraq was one thing, a already defeated country with a leader no one liked. US don´t have the balls to attack Syria anyway by political reasons. Sure they would succeed to conquer the country, no doubt and in the process killing tens of thousands of syrians. But they would hardly find any WMD. And what then, maybe the syrians smuggled them to Iran? And Israel would be put in the **** as well politically.

This "divert the attraction from US casualties in Iraq and blaime the syrians for it"-bull**** is just part of the process to get Bush Jr re-elected.

I may take some flak for this, and that doesn't really bother me, but I completely agree with you.