Australia a continent and a friend

[SeanAshi]

In an era of anti-American and anti-Israel political correctness Australia has become the leader of a counterrevolution based on morality and common sense.

Instead of double-talk and double standards from much of the self-declared "international community," Australian leaders consistently say what they mean, and mean what they say.

When the head of Sydney University's Peace Foundation emptied the concept of peace of any content by honoring Hanan Ashrawi, the PLO's star propagandist and leader in the demonization of Israel, officials noted the absurdity of the decision and stayed far away.

The policies adopted and implemented by Prime Minister John Howard and Foreign Minister Alexander Downer – who is in Israel for an official visit – are characterized by a combination of backbone, courage and principle, which have paid off well for the Australian people.

Canberra is now widely recognized as a leader in the response to terrorism and the restoration of international stability.

In sharp contrast to European politicians and diplomats whose policies on terrorism and the Middle East have been total failures, the Australians are increasingly welcomed as realistic and effective.

Like the Bush administration and, on occasion, Tony Blair's Britain, the Howard/Downer foreign policy recognizes the inherent immorality and transmission of weakness in evenhanded responses to terrorism and hatred.

Australia has consistently avoided being caught in the demonization of Israel, joining a handful of countries in opposing the General Assembly resolution which asked the International Court of Justice to investigate Israel's separation barriers.

In contrast, Canada and most of Europe took a carefully evenhanded and entirely unprincipled position by abstaining.

THESE POLICIES go beyond words and UN votes, and include a direct role in the war against terrorism. After el-Qaida's 9/11 terror attacks, Australia was one of the few countries that recognized the essential need to respond without political hesitation or ethical equivocation.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq Australian forces showed an extraordinarily high degree of professionalism and dedication. Their special forces operating in the large desert regions of Western Iraq ensured the protection of Israel by prevented the launching of Scud missiles.

And before the war that ousted Saddam Hussein and his regime, the Australian navy played a leading part in the effective enforcement of the sanctions regime.

Although critics have ridiculed the Australian government for acting as Washington's "deputy sheriff," these policies have been both principled and served Australia's national interest.

Although Australia is a continent unto itself and its location in the Asia-Pacific is far from the insanity of the Middle East, there are many local sources of instability and threat.

But in contrast to Europe's hand-wringing and ineffective policies in the Balkans, Australia acted with effectiveness to end conflicts and impose order in both East Timor and the Solomon Islands.

Dismissing the criticism from Indonesia and others, Canberra sent troops to East Timor to end the violence and help the creation of an independent state and a new reality for its residents. Where other countries only pay lip service to human rights, this Australian policy places the emphasis on reality, including the right to security against terror.

The depth of the Australian commitment to universal human rights was clearly demonstrated in the case of the Iranian Jews arrested and tried in Iran. An Australian observer went from the embassy in Teheran to Shiraz in order to be present at the trial, letting the Iranian leadership know that its actions were being monitored and that Australia would not stay silent. Such actions may have prevented the Iranian authorities from issuing death sentences.

Recognition of the achievements created by this "both feet firmly planted on the ground" approach has also earned Australia the respect of many countries around the world.

The government's critics warned that its very visible role and dispatch of troops to create stability in East Timor would lead to a crisis in relations with Indonesia and China. But instead of a crisis, China's leaders have gone out of their way to develop good relations with Asia's other emerging regional power, and stepped up contracts to Australian firms in energy development and other areas.

Widening the focus to the global dimension, Australia has been elected unanimously to replace Libya as head of the UN Human Rights Commission, creating conditions for undoing the enormous damage caused by the politicization of this organization in the days of Mary Robinson and the infamous Durban conference on racism. This is an opportunity to reverse the abuse of this and other human rights groups as frameworks for anti-Israel and anti-American propaganda.

For all these reasons, as well as steadily increasing trade with Israel and a firm rejection of anti-Semitism – old and new – Alexander Downer, Australia's foreign minister, deserves a very warm welcome in Jerusalem.
Jerusalem Post

[ShotOver]

Yeah, we rule woot

[mustamato]

In an era of anti-American and anti-Israel political correctness Australia has become the leader of a counterrevolution based on morality and common sense.

And let us all bear in mind the huge anti-war protests in Australia prior to the war in Iraq. As in many other coalition countries the majority of the people didn´t exactly had the the same view of "morality and common sense" as the leadership had.

[ShotOver]

Uh oh, It's... DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUNNNNN mustamato!

*hides*

Piss off you little prick.

[Jack Mehoff]

In an era of anti-American and anti-Israel political correctness Australia has become the leader of a counterrevolution based on morality and common sense.

And let us all bear in mind the huge anti-war protests in Australia prior to the war in Iraq. As in many other coalition countries the majority of the people didn´t exactly had the the same view of "morality and common sense" as the leadership had.


PT proves you wrong


PT
Rank 3

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Location: Western Australia

[Shake n Bake]

Instead of emulating others who buried their heads in the sand Australia is taking a proactive stance.

Good for you OZ

[ShotOver]

Yeah, a small group of people that live in nimbim (hippy town outside of Sydney) do not represent the rest of the country.

Those rallies were held on school days, so the kids went to the rallies to get out of school, so they could use it as an excuse for waggin the rest of the day.

[soma]

I think they still want the bomb rofl

[Basil]

Of bloody course we're invloved in the War On terror.

Bali Bombing's were in direct response to Our liberationof East Timor, big loss of face for Indonesia. the protests are from Tree huggers who don't know squat. The vast majority saty silent and vote.

The World Trade Center is just that the "World" trade Center, not the US Trade Center. At that stage that t=rated as our worst Terrorist attack on our citizens with around 10 deaths, then Bali Bombing 100+ deaths.

We might not have lost the numbers like the US did, but for a POP'n of only 20 million every single loss is huge. I know two mates who lost friends in the Bali Bombing's, i know cause I told them both about the bombing and they knew there mates where there- so frankly I have no time for these Aussies who don't obviously care about our homeland.

Osama mentioned Australia before we got involved in the War On terror, he specifically mentioned us for East Timor intervention. Our Digs kicked ass in E Timor, and then ghannie and Iraq (and still are).

Mate stop looking at media and ask someone who actually knows- Media aren't specialists- they are generalists- they think that watching MASH somehow gives them the ability to report on Military operations and make comment- just look at Iraqi Freedom. The amount of times I've seen them put the wrong designations for aircraft for jets etc is amazng- new planes every day. F-14 falcon's. and F-15 Tomcats.

[Ratamacue]

Yeah, a small group of people that live in nimbim (hippy town outside of Sydney) do not represent the rest of the country.

Those rallies were held on school days, so the kids went to the rallies to get out of school, so they could use it as an excuse for waggin the rest of the day.

Wow, sounds an awful lot like the protests at my school before the war.

[mustamato]

http://www.nswpeace.org/news/files/syd22mar2003.jpg

Old schoolkids in Australia.

[DE_Six]

Old schoolkids in Australia.

Ok, so the school kids aren't on that specific picture. Is this picture representative? I hope not for your point, otherwise the protest was limited to roughly a hundred persons. See? It's just a picture. Why is it that in the leftist rethoric, the few hundreds protesters always represent the majority? A majority of Australians elected this government, couldn't it be that somewhere, this majority agrees with it?
http://www.iraqcrisisbulletin.com/archives/032803/html/public_opinion_in_australia_tu.html

Wanker.

[Basil]

They have a bigger crowd than that at Mardi gras on the floats, and there out because they don't know better. All the media beat up, what it's not showing is the people who supported the troops.

There were something like 70% in favour of operations in Iraqi.

Also these people are the same people who wanted us to Invade East timor Before UN apparoval to stop the blooshed, the UN acted quickly there, because we pushed things along and lead the operation. If we'd invaded like these idiots wnated we'd have faced 30,000+ Indon soldiers in E Timor alone.

In a recent census, 14% of Aussies voted Jedi as a religion.

[ShotOver]

Your a dumbass mustamato

I am not even going to bother with your ****, where are you from? Sweden?

Yeah, your not from Australia... so you didnt see the protests did you?

So how would you know ANYTHING about them or who was involved, just because one picture (which i can spot atleast 15 school kids) you found on google, you think you know everything.

:roll:

[mustamato]

Your a dumbass mustamato

I am not even going to bother with your ****, where are you from? Sweden?

Yeah, your not from Australia... so you didnt see the protests did you?

So how would you know ANYTHING about them or who was involved, just because one picture (which i can spot atleast 15 school kids) you found on google, you think you know everything.

:roll:

TV

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

What part of 'fortress europe' are you from mustaforgotmymedication?, The part that actively supported fascism, IE sweden, Finland; or the part that bent over and spread their collective arse cheeks for the Nazis, IE every one else.

You don't know two tenths of **** all about Australia worm boy. A good dose of Vermox would sort you out.

[budanski]

mustamato math
hundreds of protesters = majority opinion in a country of millions.

[ShotOver]

Someone call the Fire brigade, this guy is soooo burnt!

rofl

[StarvingStudent47]

I think they still want the bomb rofl

And the Australians are like "WTF mates?" (see the off-topic forum if you don't get it)

In all seriousness, I think Australians became disillusioned with the "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" BS with the Bali bombings. What has Australia EVER done to Muslim populations?

As a side note, is "Aussies" pejorative, or an acceptable shortening of "Australians?" I don't mean any disrespect by using it, but I want to know if using it is acceptable.

[Truthsayer]

No wonder people don't understand you people...you can't even have a civil argument online without _always_ turning into flaming anyone that doesn't agree with you.

Kinda like your leaders, huh?


"Peace is for weak people"

[Flagg]

OOOOYYY!

Don't forget the Kiwis mate!

[ShotOver]

Yeah, Ofcourse you can call us "Aussies", no worries there mate.

[StarvingStudent47]

OOOOYYY!

Don't forget the Kiwis mate!

You guys rock, and not just because you made the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

OOOOYYY!

Don't forget the Kiwis mate!

ANZAC's forever.


No wonder people don't understand you people...you can't even have a civil argument online without _always_ turning into flaming anyone that doesn't agree with you.

Kinda like your leaders, huh?


You think we should just roll over and surrender every time someone insults or disrespects our countries ?..... attitude like that you must be european.

[Truthsayer]

How about showing the person some facts, for a change, instead of always starting with flames?

This board really welcomes new users...

[edit]

Non-american users would that be.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Wipe your eyes, blow your nose and get over yourself. This has got nothing to do with America so don't even go there. You want facts, NO country is perfect and most of us will happily admit that our parent lands are sadly lacking here and there.

But.....

If your gonna start dumping on someone elses country without getting YOUR facts right and when your own is no 'utopia' then the least you'll recieve is an attitudinal adjustment.

How painful that procedure is will be a direct reflection of your arrogance.

'truthsayer' huh?, what truth would that be?.

[Truthsayer]

I haven't stated anything about australia in this thread, merely stated that the same people, as always, right away start to flame anyone that doesn't agree with everything they right. Or just have the nervous to not worship some of the countries usually talked about.

But alas, once again atacks on the person is so much easier then responding with facts or well thought out posts - like yours prove.


And that is the truth.


No wonder there is so much wars and conflicts in the world, with all the ****-waving going on here.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

No you didn't mention Australia, you mentioned America
Non-american users would that be. albiet indirectly. Who said anything about worshiping countries?, I said don't insult them unless you've got your facts right.
Try reading the posts and then not twisting the words and\or their meanings to suit.
The only '****' waving around here is you, quite an accomplishment considering you keep stepping on it.

Why respond with facts to someone who gets the basis of his argument from watching TV from half a world away?.

you wouldn't know the truth if it fell on you.

[Nizark]

Oh fuuuuck off mustamato. Why don't you go bitch and complain to people who feel like you feel. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but you always lurk around, spewing out shet that makes your useless self not worth the 1's and 0's your posts are typed on. How about you stick to posting cartoons of your pretty little 'military' and leave the talk about military to people who actually served and who's countries fight for what is right like Austrailia, the US, Israel, the UK, Nigeria, New Zealand, and the 2 dozen or so other countries in our Coalition who fight for whats right.

Like the IDF says, Never Again! And that is why the US and others fight, so NEVER AGAIN will there be a 9/11 or Bali bombing, or Jerusalem bombing.

God Bless the Soldiers who fight for their countries!

[StarvingStudent47]

How about showing the person some facts, for a change, instead of always starting with flames?

This board really welcomes new users...

[edit]

Non-american users would that be.

THis makes very little sense in the middle of a thread dedicated to praising Australia.

[Kilgor]

The large majority of Australians supported action in Iraq. You can post all the pics of the standard "rent a crowd" as you like, but since you dont live here, dont bother commenting.

Australians do not forget the contribution the United States has made to this country and especially in WW2, unlike old europe.

We were deeply scared by the Bali Bombing and will take action for this to never happen again.

Btw.. no problems about being called a Aussie.

[Mortimer]

you guys suck ass

the Australian liberal party is finished

[Luxembourger]

As in many other coalition countries the majority of the people didn´t exactly had the the same view of "morality and common sense" as the leadership had.

hell yeah rofl rofl rofl

and I made coffee during Panama and Desert storm :roll:

[mocking_loudly_died]

you guys suck ass

the Australian liberal party is finished

Come on Morty, don't tell me you're a Democrat / Greens voter?

[chrisjohn316]

I am an Australian and I fully support the strongest possible alliance with the USA. I believe that the USA needs the strongest possible military and the willingness to use force when required.

I support George Bush. I agree with and support the war against terrorists.

I understand some choose to protest for peace, but view these people as unwilling to stand up for what is right.

George is making this world a safer place, and the US are at the front lines. I believe they should not have to be there alone.

I for one fully support the US military.

I disagree with the so called peace protestors who as often as not use violence to proclaim their message.

In a world of George Bush and Osama's, I support George.

The peace protestors are the enemies of all the peoples now liberated by the US and allies.

Millions of people now have freedom ... that is the American way, and the Australian way, and the way I support.

[Luxembourger]

I am an Australian and I fully support the strongest possible alliance with the USA. I believe that the USA needs the strongest possible military and the willingness to use force when required.

I support George Bush. I agree with and support the war against terrorists.

I understand some choose to protest for peace, but view these people as unwilling to stand up for what is right.

George is making this world a safer place, and the US are at the front lines. I believe they should not have to be there alone.

I for one fully support the US military.

I disagree with the so called peace protestors who as often as not use violence to proclaim their message.

In a world of George Bush and Osama's, I support George.

The peace protestors are the enemies of all the peoples now liberated by the US and allies.

Millions of people now have freedom ... that is the American way, and the Australian way, and the way I support.


I have the same opinion...Those peace protesters weren t even on the street when 500 000 wereslaughrered in Ruanda or when the war in Bosnia or Kosovo started..so in my opinon those peace guys are just a bunch of anti west guys brainwashed radical-left wing pussies


And all the polls that were made in Europe saying that 90% is against the war is crap ...those polls were made by left wing papers who can write whatever they want and dominate so the world opinion


God bless America, Australia , Europe , Russia , Canada and the UK

[Kilgor]

[quote="Luxembourger"I have the same opinion...Those peace protesters weren t even on the street when 500 000 wereslaughrered in Ruanda or when the war in Bosnia or Kosovo started..so in my opinon those peace guys are just a bunch of anti west guys brainwashed radical-left wing pussies


God bless America, Australia , Europe , Russia , Canada and the UK[/quote]

Thats it... They only care about war when there is a republican is in the office.

[cut]

In a world of George Bush and Osama's, I support George.


very cunning

but am I right in saying in the world of facts and UFOs, you support UFOs. one word, brainwashed p-)

SeanAshi,

that article makes it sound like Australia would support you in a war against god.

I don't like the way anyone who doesn't kiss americas arse is amoral and non sensical.

I'm sure Aussies, just as much as us Brits down liked to be patted on the back like the your dogs who 'fetched' when you asked them to.

The Jerusalem Post is just demonising Europe and Canada like a cheap tabloid, I believe it is owned by the same company that owns the daily mail in britain which comes out with utter bull**** day after day.

[ibstolidude]

I haven't stated anything about australia in this thread, merely stated that the same people, as always, right away start to flame anyone that doesn't agree with everything they right. Or just have the nervous to not worship some of the countries usually talked about.

But alas, once again atacks on the person is so much easier then responding with facts or well thought out posts - like yours prove.


And that is the truth.


No wonder there is so much wars and conflicts in the world, with all the ****-waving going on here.

You are an alien from mars that has a popcorn kernel for a ***** and head full of cow **** instead of a brain...you look and sound like a human but your number one goal is to decieve the rest of us and spread propoganda and most important to breed; therefore causing your stupidity to spread. In a recent poll the rest of the entire world agrees and there have been massive rallies in support of your castration to prevent your kernel from popping and reproducing you.

Don't you dare say it isn't true or else you will be flaming me.

As a matter of fact prove me wrong...not just write words...PROVE me wrong! other wise you are just flaming me.

Since in the alien **** for brains world of "Truthsayer" one can make any comments one wants and the burden of proof falls on those that disagree....

[ibstolidude]

Truthslayer - You certainly are interested in slaying the truth you martian prick, your lies won't infect me.


And let us all bear in mind the huge anti-war protests in Australia prior to the war in Iraq. As in many other coalition countries the majority of the people didn´t exactly had the the same view of "morality and common sense" as the leadership had.

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Your a dumbass mustamato

I am not even going to bother with your ****, where are you from? Sweden?

Yeah, your not from Australia... so you didnt see the protests did you?

So how would you know ANYTHING about them or who was involved, just because one picture (which i can spot atleast 15 school kids) you found on google, you think you know everything.

:roll:
TV
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well I mean he did offer a photos of a couple of dozen people to represent the masses in Australia...the majority that doesn't support the OZ efforts in the support of the GWOT. Ands his excellant source for infor were the TV...certainly he has more knowledge than those from the country and the cities in question.
How rude of the Aussies to question when someone from outside of their country tells them the what people really support in their country????

[cut]

Well done Stoli, now no-ones going to take this thread seriously, why do you have to start flaming in every thread?

[ibstolidude]

Well done Stoli, now no-ones going to take this thread seriously, why do you have to start flaming in every thread?

Why do people have to post erroneous facts of which they have no real knowledge?

Suddenly with internet everyone can be John the investigative reporter Jones without having to offer a back up to their comments? When questioned about their facts they just yell out...hey you are flaming me!

Speaking of which?
Shall I list the threads I have not posted in? or Just list the one I post in but do not flame?

[UkrainianAmerican]

I am afraid musta and truthslayer started the flame war.

[ibstolidude]

Talk abot the ****ing pot and the kettle!





In a world of George Bush and Osama's, I support George.


very cunning

but am I right in saying in the world of facts and UFOs, you support UFOs. one word, brainwashed p-)

SeanAshi,

that article makes it sound like Australia would support you in a war against god.

I don't like the way anyone who doesn't kiss americas arse is amoral and non sensical.

I'm sure Aussies, just as much as us Brits down liked to be patted on the back like the your dogs who 'fetched' when you asked them to.

The Jerusalem Post is just demonising Europe and Canada like a cheap tabloid, I believe it is owned by the same company that owns the daily mail in britain which comes out with utter bull**** day after day.
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I guess satire only works one way! Your way - shall I even repost your recent posts?

[cut]

Talk abot the f*** pot and the kettle!





In a world of George Bush and Osama's, I support George.


very cunning

but am I right in saying in the world of facts and UFOs, you support UFOs. one word, brainwashed p-)

SeanAshi,

that article makes it sound like Australia would support you in a war against god.

I don't like the way anyone who doesn't kiss americas arse is amoral and non sensical.

I'm sure Aussies, just as much as us Brits down liked to be patted on the back like the your dogs who 'fetched' when you asked them to.

The Jerusalem Post is just demonising Europe and Canada like a cheap tabloid, I believe it is owned by the same company that owns the daily mail in britain which comes out with utter bull**** day after day.
-------------------------------------

I guess satire only works one way! Your way - shall I even repost your recent posts?


haha if you think that's me flamming you have another thing coming

[army cadet_ngcsu]

As an American I have always thought of Australia as a true ally. I once saw a picture on one of those support Israel type of websites that was awesome. Above the picture was the title "The Quartet" and it was the flags of the US, UK, Australia, and Israel all connected to each other. I believe that these nations have a true understanding of world events and stand by the morals and values that their fathers and their fathers before them held dear and are willing to fight for what is right.

Although I believe that in that Quartet picture there should be a Polish flag some where off to the right or thrown in there somewhere.

[Jack Mehoff]

Your a dumbass mustamato

I am not even going to bother with your ****, where are you from? Sweden?

Yeah, your not from Australia... so you didnt see the protests did you?

So how would you know ANYTHING about them or who was involved, just because one picture (which i can spot atleast 15 school kids) you found on google, you think you know everything.

:roll:

TV


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[ibstolidude]

haha if you think that's me flamming you have another thing coming

REALLY....

well then what do I have coming?

Do really think me satiring peoples belief they can post what ever they want and to disregard it is to flame them....and the common belief that the burden of proof false on those who disagree...

As if I can make claim and it is true unless..YOU can disprove it.

I guess you too are a martian sent here to assist in spreading idiocy.

Prove me wrong, but don't tell me I base this without facts cause that would be flaming me.

[Basil]

I'm an Aussie and so what if a couple of thousand in a thousand protest, any PT is right on the Schoolkids got a day of school for going in the protests and even if they were protesting what do they know about the situation apart from the fact we are sending combat soldiers into harms way.

No one protested us going into East Timor at all, no one protested Afgan campaign except a left wing Greenies. Australia is a target for terrorism, ou first terrorist incident was the Hilton Bombing. Bali Bombing was on Foreign soil but was targeted at our citizens. Yeah I watched the protestors on TV as well and I can tell you the vast majority of Aussies support the War On terror- Australia as a whole was shocked and angry at the Bali Bombing.


In Australia people are entitled to there opinions and views on things, even if there full of it. Iraq, Ghannie and East timor didn't have that freedom or safety we take for granted. perosnally I'm sick of people bashing Bush, Blair and Howard for taking what action they have.

If anyone is to blame it is that idiot Clinton- he stuffed up foreign policy no one else did- pulling out of Somalia after having success getting food to the starving population was a waste, what made things worse was after America took some casualties they pulled out, in the Muslim world loss of face is a big thing and America lost a lot of face pulling out. It showed give America casualties and they will pull out even if they in by a huge margin on the battlefield. The tet offensive is a case in point.

The media has made the losses of Soldiers into a beat up, if America pulls out now and leaves things unfinished they will be shown to be weak and the attacks will not stop. They will intensify.

George Bush had no real alternative, negotiate with terrorists after Sept 11? So those that disagree with his actions if you were the President or Pm of Australia or GB or USA what would do after Sept 11 or the Bali bombing?

See back and let them keep attacking? Try to negotiate, make your country radical Muslim, blame yourself for helping the Muslim world out by intervening in Kosovo- where the Americans, Brits where helping out the Muslims by killing Christians, ignore the genocide against Christians across Northern Africa? The Radical Muslim world quickly ignores these issues and so does the leftist defeatist who if in power would get rid of ur armies and just invite invasion.

So to the lack of WMD so far in iraq and all the finger pointing at Bush, what about all these Democrat Senators who made all the noises about Iraqi WMD in the last 12 years and Clintons various airstrikes aimed at them, bit hypocritical do suddenly blame soneone for saying exactly what you were saying not more than two months before.

Happy Australia Day to the Aussies among us.

To our Kiwi friends keep up the good work.

The French reasoning is obvious, the 5 to 10 billio iraq owed them prior to the Gulf War was a good reason to oppose any action, likwise what Iraq owed germany and Russia- 15 billion for weapons is a nice reason and the fact Russian oil wouldn't be able to compete with Iraqi Oil- harder to get it out of Siberia.

[spectre5]

To mr. PT "in-mate"

Why is PT always pissed when somebody says something wrong about your country. If i remember correctly australia was Great Britains ass-slave before. They used to dumb their criminals there. So im guessing bad blood is your heritage. How old are you by the way?

t.
Antti Korpela

[mustamato]

If i remember correctly australia was Great Britains ass-slave before.

rofl

[Basil]

To mr. PT "in-mate"

Why is PT always pissed when somebody says something wrong about your country. If i remember correctly australia was Great Britains ass-slave before. They used to dumb their criminals there. So im guessing bad blood is your heritage. How old are you by the way?

Dump Criminals? Mostly Irish immigrants who were caught stealing loaves of bread or stealing horses orginally etc granted there were more hardcore crims sent here as well.

Australia is quite culturally diverse, Chinese started coming out here in the Gold Rushes in the 1800's. European iimmigrants from late 1800's and esp Post War (WWII) and post Vietnam War as well.

The Great Britain Ass Slave? LMAO- seriously I think you find most Aussies like Brits, most of the pop'n is descended from European stock- not just GB or Ireland.

I myself am part German, Irish, French and Brit. (alas not much convict Blood in me- maybe a little bit)

So much for bad blood.

The yanks came to our Aid in WWII so I'll think you find we're grateful to them for that and we helped them slot the Japs in New Guinea and helped them sink the Jap Navy. I guess we appreciate the Yanks more than most other countries as we wouldn't be here otherwise, Germans were bad as occupiers in some spots, Japanese made them look like UNHCR in comparision.

us the Brits and ynaks have spilled blood on countless battlefields- twice for the French and North Africa, Bomber Command, fighting Japs(WWI, WWII). Korea, malaysia, Borneo, Vietnam, Somalia, East Timor, Rwanda, Cambodia, Gulf I and II, Ghan.


As to my age 26.

Have met Finn's and there nice people. Don't dislike people based on where there from. Just how they act toward others mainly.

[spectre5]

Sorry for the flaming i have 38 temperature (and i am ****-tired)

It's just that people like PT give a bad image of country.

I have met decend folk from Australia on my holidays across the world.

t.
Antti Korpela

[cut]

Do really think me satiring peoples belief they can post what ever they want and to disregard it is to flame them....and the common belief that the burden of proof false on those who disagree...

As if I can make claim and it is true unless..YOU can disprove it.

I guess you too are a martian sent here to assist in spreading idiocy.

Prove me wrong, but don't tell me I base this without facts cause that would be flaming me.


http://ubb.empireonline.co.uk/images/graemlins/893banghead-thumb.gif you don't base your argument without facts? you said:


you too are a martian sent here to assist in spreading idiocy

WHAT. THE. FU*K?!

and then you expect me to say that the other guys UFO thread is the truth because I have no evidence. OK innocent until proven guilty, but this isn't a crime, it's just some guy in aus who wanted a bit of attention so he photoshopped and image.

[Maj C]

Have stopped on WestPac in Perth and Freemantle...I think Australia is a great country..my cousin married a Brit expat she met in Taiwan and now lives in Sydney. I think we'll always be the greatest of allies along with the UK despite whatever differences arise from time to time. I've worked with an Australian exchange officer at VMFAT-101 and we have British and Australian exchange officers where I work now. We also receive visits from soldiers from all over the world - Greek, Turkish, German, Norwegian, Dutch, Polish, Korean, etc...I think professional soldiers throughout the world all have a common bond that supersedes much of the political claptrap that civilians get all worked up about.

[Ballistic]

you guys suck ass

the Australian liberal party is finished

I see you are still a complete and utter arse as per usual. This country is in better hands than it has ever been. The Lib/Nat coalition is stronger than those anti American bigots in Labor/Greens so on so forth. John Howard is a more experienced leader than Mark Latham will ever be. $50 Billion has been earmarked to upgrade existing military hardware by the Liberal party, I dont think the Labor party would ever consider such a thing nor give two ****s about our men and women in harms way including members of my family, so my view is warranted also by the fact that I will soon be trying to join the Army.

Your political view is your own, but the way you act is of such arrogance and immaturity that I feel sorry for you, because you have to lower yourself to remarks like that to get your message across however skewed and jaded it is.

I'm a firm supporter of the United States and it's policies. We have both been the victims of terror attacks and know it's sting. Americans gave their lives protecting Australia in WW2, we both fought side by side then and now, for that, we share a particular mateship, and I hope that is never lost due to changes in leadership.

[Mudcat]

This American thanks God that Australia has long been a steadfast and dependable friend for a long, long time.

Thanks again, Aussies!! God bless you!! :D

[cut]

pass me a tissue I think I'm gonna cry

[ibstolidude]

Do really think me satiring peoples belief they can post what ever they want and to disregard it is to flame them....and the common belief that the burden of proof false on those who disagree...

As if I can make claim and it is true unless..YOU can disprove it.

I guess you too are a martian sent here to assist in spreading idiocy.

Prove me wrong, but don't tell me I base this without facts cause that would be flaming me.


http://ubb.empireonline.co.uk/images/graemlins/893banghead-thumb.gif you don't base your argument without facts? you said:


you too are a martian sent here to assist in spreading idiocy

WHAT. THE. FU*K?!

and then you expect me to say that the other guys UFO thread is the truth because I have no evidence. OK innocent until proven guilty, but this isn't a crime, it's just some guy in aus who wanted a bit of attention so he photoshopped and image.

If you fail to see the correlation between those comments and the comments I made referencing an individual in the thread posting with out having facts....you should smack your head harder on the wall..
Perhaps you might gain some insight...certaily you can do yourself no damage.

Perhaps I should have answered as such:



:
I haven't stated anything about australia in this thread, merely stated that the same people, as always, right away start to flame anyone that doesn't agree with everything they right. Or just have the nervous to not worship some of the countries usually talked about.

But alas, once again atacks on the person is so much easier then responding with facts or well thought out posts - like yours prove.

And that is the truth.

No wonder there is so much wars and conflicts in the world, with all the ****-waving going on here.

Hell Cut I guess
http://ubb.empireonline.co.uk/images/graemlins/893banghead-thumb.gif you don't base your argument without facts? you said:But it would appear my attempt to point this out to Truthslayer, is wrong while your attempts are ok??????????
After all


But alas, once again atacks on the person is so much easier then responding with facts or well thought out posts - like yours prove.
about
[the huge anti-war protests in Australia prior to the war in Iraq. As in many other coalition countries the majority of the people didn´t exactly had the the same view of "morality and common sense" as the leadership had. who obviously spoke on behalf of the Aussie population and later stated his ONLY facts came from:


Your a dumbass mustamato

I am not even going to bother with your ****, where are you from? Sweden?

Yeah, your not from Australia... so you didnt see the protests did you?

So how would you know ANYTHING about them or who was involved, just because one picture (which i can spot atleast 15 school kids) you found on google, you think you know everything.

:roll:

TV

And you call that flaming for laughing at his defense of a person NOT from australia telling the Aussies it really is in Australia, based on his TV!!

I mean:

WHAT. THE. FU*K?!

and then you expect me to say that the other guys majority of aussies are against the war thread is the truth because I have no evidence. OK innocent until proven guilty, but this isn't a crime, it's just some guy NOT in aus who wanted a bit of attention so he [i]ran off at the mouth about that which he didn't know[i].

[ibstolidude]

pass me a tissue I think I'm gonna cry
Now noone will take this thread seriously


boo -hooo hoooo.
:roll:

sorry, couldn't resist!

[California Joe]

That's not a knife......

Hey stoli, get back to the 'stan and send me some Martini Enfields. Beetlejuicewulf is slacking. Your pal, me.

[StarvingStudent47]

Australia would be a really cool country if you guys didn't have those nasty funnel-web spiders. Those things creep me out.

Come to think of it, there are some giant nasty arachnids in Israel as well. So you guys suck too.

I guess it's just down to USA (northern parts where brown recluses don't reach), UK, New Zealand, and Poland that rock!

[digrar]

Funnel web spiders only occupy a small part of the country, the rest of the country has it's own regional varieties of deadly insects, spiders and reptiles. woot
I reckon John Howard gets most things right. The best thing is, he knows how to push the right buttons to get the opposition to self destruct and anything that keeps Carmen Lawrence and the rest of her lefty mates out of government can only be a good thing.

[Ballistic]

I reckon John Howard gets most things right. The best thing is, he knows how to push the right buttons to get the opposition to self destruct and anything that keeps Carmen Lawrence and the rest of her lefty mates out of government can only be a good thing.

Here here !!

Ofcourse PM Howard isn't perfect...(who is) and he can get some things wrong, but every decision he has made in the last few years regarding defence, anti terrorism, and helping our American friends has been 100% correct in my opinion.

Yeah, those Funnel Webs are nasty, White tail spiders are a damn pest aswell, have had both crawl into my house on more than a few occasions, also had a scorpian in the house aswell. The suburbs can be a dangerous place. :)

[Luxembourger]

Australia would be a really cool country if you guys didn't have those nasty funnel-web spiders. Those things creep me out.

Come to think of it, there are some giant nasty arachnids in Israel as well.

does anyone have a link to pictures of those creatures I would be interested

[Basil]

http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm

[Luxembourger]

DAMN!!! Are there many people in Australia dying of this ?

http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/images/huntsman.gif

kill them all :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :-*$

[mocking_loudly_died]

We have red-backs in the dunny.

I hate spiders and scream like a girly man when one approaches.

[Nizark]

Australia would be a really cool country if you guys didn't have those nasty funnel-web spiders. Those things creep me out.

Come to think of it, there are some giant nasty arachnids in Israel as well. So you guys suck too.

I guess it's just down to USA (northern parts where brown recluses don't reach), UK, New Zealand, and Poland that rock!

US also has those bad ass black widows

[Luxembourger]

US also has those bad ass black widows

They aren t at the upper east coast ? Are there black widowns in NY , NJ., `?

[soma]

I think they still want the bomb rofl

And the Australians are like "WTF mates?" (see the off-topic forum if you don't get it)


****ing kangaroos...

[StarvingStudent47]

US also has those bad ass black widows

They aren t at the upper east coast ? Are there black widowns in NY , NJ., `?

Biggest black widow I ever saw was in Boston, MA. They don't live their naturally because of the weather, but when human beings started building heated buildings, they slowly started growing there.

Black widows are nasty evil things, but don't freak me out as much as brown recluses, or nearly as much as funnel webs. Black widows are slow, not very aggressive at all, and (contrary to common belief) they can't kill a healthy adult. Their bites can only kill the very young, very old, or very sick. Brown recluses, on the other hand, kill the tissue immediately around the bite, causing permanent damage even with treatment, and possibly causing gangrene if treatment is not sought. And funnel webs just plain kill ya.

Oregon is fantastic. We have many varieties of giant tree spiders (the largest web I've seen is 20 feet/6 meters across--I kid you not--but most are just 3 feet/1 meter across). But they're not venomous at all, so I don't mind them.

[Kilgor]

We do have some nasty critters down here, but you guys can keep some of the ones you have.

Being a mountain biker, that story about the cougar attacking and killing two people in california freaks me out !!

[Luxembourger]

cougar attacking and killing two people in california freaks me out !!

You mean Cougar, a spider, killed two people ?????

[reverence]

I went to check out one of the 'big" anti war ralliws in Canberra which coincided with Bush's visit. The expected crowd of thousands turned out to be about 400 people at most from all sorts of minority goups with their own(non war) related agendas jumping on the band wagon for publicity. Imagine my surprise when the news showed only close ups of the crowd and footage from angles that made the crowd seem huge. Do not believe what you see unless you are on the ground-In SF this is called Ground Truth. Although i must say one news program got it right when they went to a rally and asked the anti war protesters some simple questions on Iraq which any junior high kid should know. Needless to say some did not know Saddams first name, others had know idea how long sanctions and international pressure had failed to sway him and the reporter stated that no one he asked could accurately describe the plight of the Kurds or had any worthy knowledge on the other Iraqis imprisoned, tortured or murdered by Saddam's regime. Worst of all were the school kids who were the most vocal screaming Vietnam style anti war slogans one interview with a teenager went alomg the lines of:
"So why are you protesting today?"
"Cause the war is wrong(screams at the camera)NO WAR!YEAH PEACE!"
"Can you tell me why it's wrong?"
"Uh Uh Uh cause it just is n stuff"
"Well if after after all these years of sanctions by the UN not working what will work if war is not the answer?"
"Uh...you know...peace..peace n stuff(looks bewildered and out of his depth obviously thinking a day off wasn't such a good idea)
"What do you mean peace? You kids are saying you are future and should be allowed to protest and be listened to but no one questioned today really has any idea of the history of Iraq or can offer other solutions"
.......(no response from 15 year old who lookes at his feet and fidgets rubbing his knows
"Well can you think of any other solutions?"
"Uh... peace....."
Other stations werent so honest in their reporting just showing hundreds of kids running through the city, abusing innocent passerby's(one of who'm took a group of teenagers to task after they bashed their fist's on his car and screamed NO WAR! with not even a clue as to whether he was for or against the war. Needless to say when he got out of the car they took off running(Obviously not6 as brave as the Australian men and women many of who'm are only a couple of years older who were fighting in Iraq)Lets face it out of the thousands of kids across Australia who exercised their right to protest 99.9 percent had no idea what they protesting and just wanted tyhe day off and the chance to tell their grand kids that they were "rebelious anti war protesters who stuck it to the man during the Iraq war"

[Luxembourger]

"So why are you protesting today?"
"Cause the war is wrong(screams at the camera)NO WAR!YEAH PEACE!"
"Can you tell me why it's wrong?"
"Uh Uh Uh cause it just is n stuff"
"Well if after after all these years of sanctions by the UN not working what will work if war is not the answer?"
"Uh...you know...peace..peace n stuff(looks bewildered and out of his depth obviously thinking a day off wasn't such a good idea)


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Guttorm]

or the part that bent over and spread their collective arse cheeks for the Nazis, IE every one else.

Errmm... Sir? If you don't mind... I find it a bit unnecesarry for you to dump on the entire European community just because one swede annoys you...

Fyi, most of europe fought the germans throughout the entire five/six years of the war. Includinging France, netherlands, Norway, Denmark, poland etc etc.

Also known as th resistance. Or "Gutta på skauen" as they were called in Norway.

Just a reminder sir.

(notice how this post was kept in a civil tone... ;) )

[StarvingStudent47]

I went to check out one of the 'big" anti war ralliws in Canberra which coincided with Bush's visit. The expected crowd of thousands turned out to be about 400 people at most from all sorts of minority goups with their own(non war) related agendas jumping on the band wagon for publicity. Imagine my surprise when the news showed only close ups of the crowd and footage from angles that made the crowd seem huge. Do not believe what you see unless you are on the ground-In SF this is called Ground Truth. Although i must say one news program got it right when they went to a rally and asked the anti war protesters some simple questions on Iraq which any junior high kid should know. Needless to say some did not know Saddams first name, others had know idea how long sanctions and international pressure had failed to sway him and the reporter stated that no one he asked could accurately describe the plight of the Kurds or had any worthy knowledge on the other Iraqis imprisoned, tortured or murdered by Saddam's regime. Worst of all were the school kids who were the most vocal screaming Vietnam style anti war slogans one interview with a teenager went alomg the lines of:
"So why are you protesting today?"
"Cause the war is wrong(screams at the camera)NO WAR!YEAH PEACE!"
"Can you tell me why it's wrong?"
"Uh Uh Uh cause it just is n stuff"
"Well if after after all these years of sanctions by the UN not working what will work if war is not the answer?"
"Uh...you know...peace..peace n stuff(looks bewildered and out of his depth obviously thinking a day off wasn't such a good idea)
"What do you mean peace? You kids are saying you are future and should be allowed to protest and be listened to but no one questioned today really has any idea of the history of Iraq or can offer other solutions"
.......(no response from 15 year old who lookes at his feet and fidgets rubbing his knows
"Well can you think of any other solutions?"
"Uh... peace....."
Other stations werent so honest in their reporting just showing hundreds of kids running through the city, abusing innocent passerby's(one of who'm took a group of teenagers to task after they bashed their fist's on his car and screamed NO WAR! with not even a clue as to whether he was for or against the war. Needless to say when he got out of the car they took off running(Obviously not6 as brave as the Australian men and women many of who'm are only a couple of years older who were fighting in Iraq)Lets face it out of the thousands of kids across Australia who exercised their right to protest 99.9 percent had no idea what they protesting and just wanted tyhe day off and the chance to tell their grand kids that they were "rebelious anti war protesters who stuck it to the man during the Iraq war"

You talking about this video?

Protesting the protestors (http://brain-terminal.com/video/nyc-2003-02-15/quicktime-hq.php)

[reverence]

The interviews i saw were all in Australia although i'd say it'd be the same result if you questioned most protesters anywhere