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AFG
01-25-2004, 02:29 AM
found this on another forum, felt it was good to post


Who is an average soldier?

The average age of the active military man or woman seems to be 15 years old when you look at them, although it is probably nearer 19 or 20.

The guys are short haired, tight-muscled kids who, under normal circumstances are considered by society as half men, half boys. Alternatively, in the case of a young lady, she probably has dyed hair, maybe cut shorter than she would like, and looks as though she weighs 90 pounds, still Mummy and Daddys little girl; neither yet dry behind their ears. Neither is old enough to buy a beer, but both are old enough to die for their country.

They never really cared much for work and would rather wax their own car than wash their father's or mothers; would rather go out partying than help clean up the house, but they have never collected unemployment either.

They are recent High School graduates; probably average students, pursued some form of sport activities, drive a ten year old jalopy, and have a steady girlfriend/boyfriend that either broke up with them when they left, or swears to be waiting when they return from half a world away.

They listen to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and have huge Howitzers to help them do their job.

They are 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when they were at home because they are working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.

They have trouble spelling, and always have all the things young people want to do, thus letter writing is a pain for them, but they can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark.

They can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if they must. They dig foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like professionals.

They can march until they are told to stop or stop until they are told to march.

They obey orders instantly and without hesitation, if in a military setting, but they are not without spirit or individual dignity.

They are self-sufficient.



They have two sets of fatigues: they wash one and wear the other.

They keep their canteens full and their feet dry.

They sometimes forget to brush their teeth, in fact, they sometimes have no water to do so, but they never forget to clean their rifle.

They can cook their own meals, live on battlefield rations, survive whilst working and fighting on one meal a day, mend their own clothes, even manage without the luxuries that they are used to at home, more importantly, they can fix their own hurts.

If you're thirsty, they will share their water with you; if you are hungry, their food. They will even split their ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.

They have learned to use their hands like weapons and weapons like they were their hands. They can save your life - or take it, because that is their job.

They will often do twice the work of a civilian, in terrible conditions, draw half the pay, and still find ironic humor in it all.

They have seen more suffering and death then they should have in their short lifetime. They have stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them.

They have wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and are unashamed.

They feel every note of the National Anthem vibrate through their body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around them who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, they defend their right to be disrespectful.

Just as their Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather did, and maybe their Mother, or Grandmother, they are paying the price for our freedom.

Beardless or not, he is not a boy, pony tail or not, she is not a girl.

They are the Fighting Soldiers that have kept this country free for over 200 years.

They ask nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding.

They are all someones kids, boyfriends/girlfriends, spouses, parents, they all have loved ones who are hurting just as much as they are whilst they are thousands of miles from home. All will tell you they have lost members of their "family" whilst fighting, for the military "family" of friends and unknown comrades is important to them

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Merik
01-25-2004, 02:33 AM
Hoo-ah.

Jack Mehoff
01-25-2004, 02:35 AM
I prefer this


The average age of the military man is 19 years. He is a short haired, tight-muscled kid who, under normal circumstances is considered by society as half man, half boy. Not yet dry behind the ears, not old enough to buy a beer, but old enough to die for his country. He never really cared much for work and he would rather wax his own car than wash his father's; but he has never collected unemployment either.

He's a recent High School graduate; he was probably an average student, pursued some form of sport activities, drives a ten year old jalopy, and has a steady girlfriend that either broke up with him when he left, or swears to be waiting when he returns from half a world away. He listens to rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or jazz or swing and a 155mm howitzer. He is 10 or 15 pounds lighter now than when he was at home because he is working or fighting from before dawn to well after dusk.

He has trouble spelling, thus letter writing is a pain for him, but he can field strip a rifle in 30 seconds and reassemble it in less time in the dark. He can recite to you the nomenclature of a machine gun or grenade launcher and use either one effectively if he must. He digs foxholes and latrines and can apply first aid like a professional. He can march until he is told to stop or stop until he is told to march.

He obeys orders instantly and without hesitation, but he is not without spirit or individual dignity. He is self-sufficient. He has two sets of fatigues: he washes one and wears the other. He keeps his canteens full and his feet dry. He sometimes forgets to brush his teeth, but never to clean his rifle. He can cook his own meals, mend his own clothes, and fix his own hurts. If you're thirsty, he'll share his water with you; if you are hungry, his food. He'll even split his ammunition with you in the midst of battle when you run low.

He has learned to use his hands like weapons and weapons like they were his hands. He can save your life - or take it, because that is his job. He will often do twice the work of a civilian, draw half the pay and still find ironic humor in it all. He has seen more suffering and death then he should have in his short lifetime.

He has stood atop mountains of dead bodies, and helped to create them. He has wept in public and in private, for friends who have fallen in combat and is unashamed. He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking. In an odd twist, day in and day out, far from home, he defends their right to be disrespectful.

Just as did his Father, Grandfather, and Great-grandfather, he is paying the price for our freedom. Beardless or not, he is not a boy. He is the American Fighting Man that has kept this country free for over 200 years.

He has asked nothing in return, except our friendship and understanding. Remember him, always, for he has earned our respect and admiration with his blood. And now we even have women over there in danger, doing their part in this tradition of going to War when our nation calls us to do so. As you go to bed tonight, remember this shot.. A short lull, a little shade and a picture of loved ones in their helmets.

Hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need.

Please stop for a moment and say a prayer for our ground troops in Afghanistan, sailors on ships, and airmen in the air, and for those in Iraq. There is nothing attached.... This can be very powerful....... Of all the gifts you could give a US Soldier, Sailor, Coastguardsman, Marine or Airman, prayer is the very best one.

Ngati Tumatauenga
01-25-2004, 02:37 AM
Either way very eloquent.

Jack Mehoff
01-25-2004, 02:41 AM
The second one sounds more macho

California Joe
01-25-2004, 09:24 AM
It was originally written during Vietnam and it was Infantryman. Just sayin.

ibstolidude
01-25-2004, 10:29 AM
uggggh
:roll:

NcDeuce
01-25-2004, 10:31 AM
He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking.

It bothers me a lot. I wish I could :bash: them.

Uncle Sam
01-25-2004, 11:32 AM
uggggh
:roll:

Why ugggggh ??

Vance
01-25-2004, 11:42 AM
uggggh
:roll:

Why ugggggh ??
Ugggh?

California Joe
01-25-2004, 01:26 PM
I believe stoli feels that that bit of flowery prose is outdated and somewhat trite. As he has BTDT.

ibstolidude
01-25-2004, 01:45 PM
uggggh
:roll:

Why ugggggh ??

I believe these type writings are trite, pitiful (literally as in seeking pity)and over simplify the true sacrifices that soldiers make. I tend to find them insulting and condescending..

But that is my opinion.

farmgirl
01-25-2004, 01:51 PM
uggggh
:roll:

Why ugggggh ??

I believe these type writings are trite, pitiful (literally as in seeking pity)and over simplify the true sacrifices that soldiers make. I tend to find them insulting and condescending..

But that is my opinion.


I tend to agree Stoli. I believe they are written as sincere tributes, but it's difficult to pigeon hole an entire group of people like that. There is no writer eloquent enough to adequately describe and thank soldiers for their sacrifices. Some things are best said simply. Thank you.

What's your opinion on music related to soldiers, war and 911?

memphiz
01-25-2004, 02:05 PM
He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking.
oh that pisses me off when they dont take off their hat and talk, or even worse is when they Boo the national anthem, or make fun of it at hockey games

farmgirl
01-25-2004, 02:08 PM
He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking.
oh that pisses me off when they dont take off their hat and talk, or even worse is when they Boo the national anthem, or make fun of it at hockey games

I agree. I was at a high school basketball game last night, and one of my students was sitting a few feet from me. When we all stood for the National Anthem, he still had his cap on, and I was just about to say something. I was pleased when it struck him all of a sudden, and he took it off. It's nice to see that some things haven't been lost on young people.
I still get goosebumps everytime I hear the National Anthem. It's not something to be taken lightly, in my opinion.

Jack Mehoff
01-25-2004, 02:09 PM
I'm too lazy to take off my cap during the National Anthem

farmgirl
01-25-2004, 02:11 PM
I'm too lazy to take off my cap during the National Anthem

I don't believe you jack.... so there. :D :roll:

Jack Mehoff
01-25-2004, 02:15 PM
Have it your way farmalicious

farmgirl
01-25-2004, 02:17 PM
Have it your way farmalicious

That's the way I like it best, Jack. My way isn't very sportsmanlike. p-)

California Joe
01-25-2004, 02:20 PM
I am incredibly annoyed by 9/11 "tribute" songs. Like celebrities wearing NYFD hats all the damned time.

Country music singers are especially guilty of this, "quick, give me a line that rhymes with Bin laden",except the Dixie chicks. It's like they had these songs written and they saw a huge marketing opportunity to sell records when the planes hit. Maybe it's their record companies. Although the videos were quick to follow. Playing on peoples patriotism during a time like that is like TV preachers telling crippled people they can be healed by sending money. I'm cynical that way.

farmgirl
01-25-2004, 02:24 PM
I am incredibly annoyed by 9/11 "tribute" songs. Like celebrities wearing NYFD hats all the damned time.

Country music singers are especially guilty of this, "quick, give me a line that rhymes with Bin laden",except the Dixie chicks. It's like they had these songs written and they saw a huge marketing opportunity to sell records when the planes hit. Maybe it's their record companies. Although the videos were quick to follow. Playing on peoples patriotism during a time like that is like TV preachers telling crippled people they can be healed by sending money. I'm cynical that way.

I'm with you Joe. I'm annoyed by people captializing on tragedy. However, if ALL of the proceeds from the song.... and I mean ALL of the proceeds, were given to help victims and their families, then I think it would be a different story. JMHO

California Joe
01-25-2004, 02:30 PM
It would show that their hearts were in the right place.

They know that their target audience is people that fly flags in front of their houses and probably have a relative in the military so it's a guaranteed hit song.

memphiz
01-25-2004, 02:58 PM
He feels every note of the National Anthem vibrate through his body while at rigid attention, while tempering the burning desire to 'square-away' those around him who haven't bothered to stand, remove their hat, or even stop talking.
oh that pisses me off when they dont take off their hat and talk, or even worse is when they Boo the national anthem, or make fun of it at hockey games

I agree. I was at a high school basketball game last night, and one of my students was sitting a few feet from me. When we all stood for the National Anthem, he still had his cap on, and I was just about to say something. I was pleased when it struck him all of a sudden, and he took it off. It's nice to see that some things haven't been lost on young people.
I still get goosebumps everytime I hear the National Anthem. It's not something to be taken lightly, in my opinion.
i hated how on the news they showed hockey games in the states and Canada the Americans boo'd the Canadian national anthem, and the Canadians boo'd the American nathional anthem. this happend after the Canadian government said they wouldnt sent troops into Iraq

AFG
01-25-2004, 05:53 PM
I am incredibly annoyed by 9/11 "tribute" songs. Like celebrities wearing NYFD hats all the damned time.

Country music singers are especially guilty of this, "quick, give me a line that rhymes with Bin laden",except the Dixie chicks. It's like they had these songs written and they saw a huge marketing opportunity to sell records when the planes hit. Maybe it's their record companies. Although the videos were quick to follow. Playing on peoples patriotism during a time like that is like TV preachers telling crippled people they can be healed by sending money. I'm cynical that way.

i like ur way of thinking joe :D