Carl gustaf GRG

[khukuri]

lovely swedish thing

[khukuri]

http://www.4-insatspluton.se/Bilder/grg-l.jpg

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-52089/marine/grg.jpg

http://hem.passagen.se/jestju/fbsf4arkiv/fbs0203nr2/grg%20grunder.jpg

http://hem.passagen.se/jestju/fbsf4arkiv/fbs0203nr2/grg%20patrull.jpg


http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Grg48rb.jpg


http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Grg482.jpg


http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Grgam.jpg


http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Grg49lig.jpg


http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Grg48kna.jpg

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/Grg48rb.jpg

[khukuri]

http://www.hemvarn.se/sollentuna/010318_GRG_1.JPG


http://www.gf81.com.cn/16/images/carl.jpg


A never version half as heavy

http://buves.kam.lt/ginklai/pictures/KarlGustaf_normal.jpg


brazil

http://www.exercito.gov.br/03Brafor/armtmuni/Imagens/CanGustaf2.jpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/03Brafor/armtmuni/Imagens/CanGustaf.jpg

http://www.exercito.gov.br/03Brafor/armtmuni/Imagens/CanGustaf1.jpg



upgraded, not in use by swed army
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/saab_bofors/5_saab_bofors.jpg


http://www.lssr.ca/carlg_1.jpg

[tenda]

..i like it too..!! ;)

[khukuri]

http://www.kyrkanstidning.com/ArticlePages/200502/17/20050217093931_Headline338/Granatgevar_Carl_Gustaf.jpg





dane one

http://www3.hjv.dk/lfr-bv/hjvk-7106/images/V%C3%A5ben/5225_270502112239.gif


http://www.kam.lt/EasyAdmin/sys/photos/use/ginkluote_03_mini_copy.jpg


http://www.kungalvhvkomp.se/Bilder/grg1.jpg


Polish GROM
http://grom.tgw.com.pl/images/carl_gustaw.jpg


http://www.olive-drab.com/images/m3_cg_300.jpg


http://www.olive-drab.com/images/recoiless_m3_maws_cg_800.jpg

[Holstein]

Ahh the good old GRG

[Weasel]

..i like it too..!! ;)

You want one for airsoft? ;)

[rhino]

...till you have to hump on...
guss I wouldnt mind it if I had to use it ;)

[flanker7]

I've read somewhere that there is an M4 version (newer that the M3 that is) Anyone has more info on that ?

[Sua_Sponte]

good weapon, but a heavy sob.. works well and doesnt break.

[Resevoir Hogs]

I like the newest version we got. Not nearly as heavy as the older ones.

[khukuri]

The fiberglass version?

[UraBudanov]

RPG7 is better
sexier
and more reliabale

[khukuri]

RPG7 is better
sexier
and more reliabale

Really, how is it better? However, if there is one thing i am shore of it is the reliability of the grg which you probably know nothing off.

[UraBudanov]

RPG7 is better
sexier
and more reliabale

Really, how is it better? However, if there is one thing i am shore of it is the reliability of the grg which you probably know nothing off.

RPG is used in a lot more countries, and there is a reason for it.

[khukuri]

Yes because for theese countries its the only availble option which they can pay for. Look at countries which afford to pay for stuff. Like brazil, uses both russian and western equipment. Still they choose the GRG. Look at many eastern europian countries, they allow their special units to use western equipment like the grom, they use grg. etc


Just beacuse alot of countries use something doesnt have to mean ****.

[UraBudanov]

Yes because for theese countries its the only availble option which they can pay for. Look at countries which afford to pay for stuff. Like brazil, uses both russian and western equipment. Still they choose the GRG. Look at many eastern europian countries, they allow their special units to use western equipment like the grom, they use grg. etc


Just beacuse alot of countries use something doesnt have to mean ****.

I would love to compare in a real life situations your Carl Gustaf
and our Newest RPGs.

[Sua_Sponte]

RPG7 is better
sexier
and more reliabale

Really, how is it better? However, if there is one thing i am shore of it is the reliability of the grg which you probably know nothing off.

RPG is used in a lot more countries, and there is a reason for it.

and that reason is two fold, either nato countries wont sell them arms, or they cannot afford to buy a gustav because they can buy a cheap ass unreliable rpg7 4 or 5 times for the same price.

[John Rambo 1]

that thing is too damn heavy

[UraBudanov]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.

[John Rambo 1]

RPG7 is better
sexier
and more reliabale

Really, how is it better? However, if there is one thing i am shore of it is the reliability of the grg which you probably know nothing off.

RPG is used in a lot more countries, and there is a reason for it.


Because they have no money? :|

[UraBudanov]

RPG7 is better
sexier
and more reliabale

Really, how is it better? However, if there is one thing i am shore of it is the reliability of the grg which you probably know nothing off.

RPG is used in a lot more countries, and there is a reason for it.

and that reason is two fold, either nato countries wont sell them arms, or they cannot afford to buy a gustav because they can buy a cheap ass unreliable rpg7 4 or 5 times for the same price.

Show me examples, sources where RUSSIAN made RPG-7 and the new upgrades fail ?

PLEASE, i will rest my CASE

the cheap copies from China, Romania, Bulgaria dont count.
Its like comparing Mexican BMW to a German made.

[HideousPrimate]

I believe the only drawback of the carl gustav is that it is much heavier than the competing and venerable RPG-7 antitank grenade launcher.

[flanker7]

I believe one of the biggest advaneges of the RPG is that it's not restricted by it's caliber

[Adam Wilhelm]

Show me examples, sources where RUSSIAN made RPG-7 and the new upgrades fail ?

PLEASE, i will rest my CASE

the cheap copies from China, Romania, Bulgaria dont count.
Its like comparing Mexican BMW to a German made.

Ahh... they must be the export version? rofl

[Flukeman]

The good old "Charlie Gee" as it was known in the Brit Army. A real bastard if you were the No2 when firing ....

[Adam Wilhelm]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.

First of all the Carl Gustav is not a rocket launcher but a Grenade launcher.

Second, how many RPG-7 rockets is fired per minute by a drilled crew?

[UraBudanov]

Show me examples, sources where RUSSIAN made RPG-7 and the new upgrades fail ?

PLEASE, i will rest my CASE

the cheap copies from China, Romania, Bulgaria dont count.
Its like comparing Mexican BMW to a German made.

Ahh... they must be the export version? rofl

Laugh all you want.
There is an American movie based on a true story called "PENTAGON WARS"

Where they are testing the RPG-7 on the armor of Bradley. Well the tester brings out a Romanian RPG-7 that didnt even penetrate the target. The man who was overlooking the testing was upset, and said that you need to use real SOVIET RPG-7, not the cheap made Romanian junk.

So yeah, the ones made not in Russia are crap.

Lots of MAJOR conflicts in the past 40 years proved that RPG-7 is the best of its kind .

Vietnam
Afghanistan 1979-89
Somalia
Chechnya 1
Chechnya 2
Iraq
Afghanistan (Coalition)


I dont even have to mention other African and middle eastern countries where the fighters probably wouldnt want anything else.

Im not saying Carl Gustaf is useless. Im trying to say that RPG7 has a lot more pluses. Especially the new Russian upgrades with new ammunitions.

[khukuri]

I dont know if the newer rpg:s have that feature but we can set the grg grenades can be set to explode at a certain distance.

Grg can be used as a good smoke screen weapon up 2km, havent seen anything like that on rpg:s


newer versions of grg weight only 4 kilos, thats light enough

edit: just like AH said, how long does it take a recruit to load his rpg with a new grenade after firing?

[Adam Wilhelm]

This is turning into a pissing contest!




Laugh all you want.
There is an American movie based on a true story called "PENTAGON WARS"

Where they are testing the RPG-7 on the armor of Bradley. Well the tester brings out a Romanian RPG-7 that didnt even penetrate the target. The man who was overlooking the testing was upset, and said that you need to use real SOVIET RPG-7, not the cheap made Romanian junk.



Are you talking about this movie?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0783112645.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Crappy movie and totally unrealistic.

[PeterG]

The carl gustav is a great weapon, can you select an RPG round to airburst over a target like you can with the CG? That is extremely effective against enemy troops that are dug-in, or behind shelter.The RPG is also a great piece of kit, legendary in its own right, but not as accurate or as long range as the CG.The RPG is lighter though - a bit of an advantage there.

And the CG is extremely fun to fire! woot It makes a really big and satisfying bang.

[khukuri]

I dont know how stating different countries where the fire arm have been used proves it to be better good or whatever.

India for example is a country which boths has rpg and CG, still it buys the carl for its units.


more photos

Sim variant
http://www.forces.gc.ca/admmat/dglepm/wes/wes_equipments/84mm_Carl_Gustav.jpg

can or dane

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Ground/m84-carl-gustav.jpg

indian

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Def-Expo/Carl-Gustav.jpg


un service

http://www.veteranen.info/~cedarsouthlebanon/pictures/gallery6/14carl_gustav0156.jpg


http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/Images/2_0/40.jpg

[Adam Wilhelm]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.

First of all the Carl Gustav is not a rocket launcher but a Grenade launcher.

Second, how many RPG-7 rockets is fired per minute by a drilled crew?

Found the answer:
"Reloading and re-aiming the RPG-7 requires a minimum of 14 seconds. Firing leaves noticeable signatures in the form of flash, smoke, and noise, and the unprotected gunner is extremely vulnerable to suppressive fires."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/rpg-7.htm

That means that an RPG-7 crew fires 4 rounds/minute.
An Carl Gustav crew fires 6 rounds/minute.

So UraBudanov, by the time when the RPG-7 crew have fired your 6 round the Carl Gustav crew has fired 9.
3 more than the RPG-7. p-)

[khukuri]

http://www.gruntsview.org/Me%20with%20Carl%20Gustav%20at%20Holsworthy%201969.jpg

an aussie dude


http://www.army.mil.nz/images/uploadedfiles/images/carlgustav84mm.jpg


new zeeland

[khukuri]

Adam Willhelm,

I think the carl gustaf time also includes aprrox firing the thing? Cuz in my unit our guys make it in 7-8 sec. add 2-3 for firing the thing then you get 6 rounds a minute. But for the rpg that was only loading time.

[Frost]

I'm not sure, but I think the Carl Gustav can have a larger explosive warhead than an RPG7. The RPG7 is a missile and it needs room for fuel. The GG is a recoilles rifle and fires a grenade down range.

Both the RPG7 and GG are good weapons though. I think the GG is more accurate, but the RPG7 is cheaper and can be used by almost anyone.

[eucalyptus]

Im not saying Carl Gustaf is useless. Im trying to say that RPG7 has a lot more pluses. Especially the new Russian upgrades with new ammunitions.
:bash: Then have the same ammunition, well... same type HEAT, HEDP.. but CG also has servral more in it´s disposal such as smoke and Illumination

[khukuri]

From what I heard the rpg7 is more difficult to aim OBSERV rumours rumours


By the way its not a missile its a rocket

more pics


estonia

http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/CGm48-Estonia.jpg



india

http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/CGm48-India.jpg



Japan
http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/CGm48-Japan.jpg


http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/CGm48-Sweden.jpg


http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/CGm86.jpg

[Thor]

There's an old thread debating the ammo upgrades for the CG vs those for RPG-7.

CG might be a bit heaver - but there is a lighter composite version

CG has indeed a higher rate of fire than RPG-7

CG in my mind have more advanced ammunition available than RPG-7

[khukuri]

I should have posted this at the start but what ever



ype: Recoilless rifle - Anti-Tank

Operation: Recoilless

Orgin: Sweden

Manufacturer: Bofors Weapons Systems

Versions: M48, M/48B, m/48C, m/86T, m/86MT. The m/48 versions differ mainly in their riffling while the m/86 versions consists off composite materials (a steel liner is covered in a laminate consisting of carbonfibre and expoxy). The later version has also a carrying handle ontop of the weapon and has a limitation of about 100 rounds berfore it have to be discarted.

Calibre: 84mm High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT), High Explosive (HE), High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP), Smoke, Illumination, Target Practice (TP)

Capacity: 1

Lengths: 1130mm (O/A), 230mm (optical sight m/48), 250mm (optical sight m/86)

Weights: 14kg (m/48), 9,5kg (m/86), 3kg (ammunition HEAT), 0,9kg (optical sight m/48), 0,7kg (optical sight m/86), 0,8kg (bipod m/48), 0,5kg (bipod m/86)

Sights: The m/48 can use either open sights or an optical sight with 3-times enlargement and 12 degree field of sight.

Cyclic rate: -

Muzzle Velocity: 250-300m/s (depending on ammuntion type)

Range: 150m (practical range - moving target - HEAT), 200m (practical range - non moving target - open sights - HEAT), 300m (practical range - non moving target - optical sights - HEAT), 700m (practical range - HE), 1000m (practical range - Smoke)

Penetration: -

Users: Austria, Australia, Brasil, Canada, Denmark, Estonia (Granaadiheitja Carl-Gustav), France, Greece, India, Japan, Norway (Rekylfri kanon Carl-Gustav), Saudi Arabia, Sweden (Granatgevär m/48, Granatgevär m/86), Switzerland, United Kingdom, USA (M3 MAAWS - Multi-Role Anti-Armor Anti-Personnel Weapon System, US. Army 75th Ranger, US. Navy SEALs)

[Flukeman]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.

First of all the Carl Gustav is not a rocket launcher but a Grenade launcher.

Second, how many RPG-7 rockets is fired per minute by a drilled crew?

It is not a Grenade launcher it is " a section level anti-tank recoilless rifle"

2 types of ammunition are: FFV 551 HEAT - weight 3.2kg, range 700m
FFV 502 HEDP - weight 3.3kg, range 500m they are not grenades. :D

Edited to add: oops lenin beat me to it. :D :D

[Adam Wilhelm]

Lenin:



"Reloading and re-aiming the RPG-7 requires a minimum of 14 seconds.

In my military service i was a Grg m/48C gunner/loader so i know that you can fire and hit a target with 6 grenades/minute. p-)

[khukuri]

haha okay AH you re the grg man here

[NimDod]

you can't compare the CG to the r.p.g7 because the rpg is about 30 years older. even though it was battle-proven plenty of times, and many countries, western and eastern, use it, its older, MUCH cheaper and in a whole different class then the modern CG.

would you compare the Abrams tank to the T55 ?

the RPG7 is the ak47 of the anti tank weapons. all short disstance RPG's made today are based on it, and even today, russia sells a ****load of targeting systems upgrades, new ammo (like the termo-baric anti-fortification round which no one else has). its cheap, its reliable, its good - it even knoked out some Bradlies, M1A2 tanks and Strikers (which have crappy armor).

in a battlefield, i'd rather use a Shiphon or a smaw, but thats another story.

[Flukeman]

Lenin:



"Reloading and re-aiming the RPG-7 requires a minimum of 14 seconds.

In my military service i was a Grg m/48C gunner/loader so i know that you can fire and hit a target with 6 grenades/minute. p-)

What at 25 metres ? ;)

[Adam Wilhelm]

It is not a Grenade launcher it is " a section level anti-tank recoilless rifle"

2 types of ammunition are: FFV 551 HEAT - weight 3.2kg, range 700m
FFV 502 HEDP - weight 3.3kg, range 500m they are not grenades. :D

Edited to add: oops lenin beat me to it. :D :D

Really??
It´s sure as hell not firing rockets.
And the swedish term is "Granatgevär m/48..." wich translates to grenaderifle.
Granat= Grenade
Gevär=rifle

[Thor]

you can't compare the CG to the r.p.g7 because the rpg is about 30 years older. even though it was battle-proven plenty of times, and many countries, western and eastern, use it, its older, MUCH cheaper and in a whole different class then the modern CG.

would you compare the Abrams tank to the T55 ?
I might remember this wrong.. But I believe the Carl Gustaf was introduced in 1948 (m/48). The composite version is called m/86 and was introduced in 1986.

[Adam Wilhelm]

@NimDod: The RPG-7 is NOT 30 years older than the Carl Gustav.
The Carl Gustav came into service in 1948 as the "Granatgevär (Grenaderifle) m/48.
The RPG-7 didn´t come into russian service in 1918, did it? p-)

@Flukeman: i take it you have never fired it? ;)
If you did you had know it is extremely accurate.
And no.. we are not talking about the same performance as Panzerfaust 30 m.

@enin: Yes i am. p-)
Learned my business at K4.

[VISTREL]

might as well compare raptor to mig21 while you're at :lol:

anyway, most of the insurgents that have rpgs so far used warheads that don't even come close to these

http://www.defesanet.com.br/wars/ttuiraq/img5.gif

http://www.defesanet.com.br/wars/ttuiraq/img7.gif


but instead they use some old ****

http://www.defense-update.com/images/rpg-fire-team-Gaza.jpg


anyway, maybe 1 vs 1 shot gustav is better for armor penetration, etc but when it comes to full scale war when you need thousands of these, I think id rather have RPGs cos they are cheaper and easier to produce + can carry lots of different calibers (and yes, there are thermal/night vision sights for rpgs, etc)

[Vioman]

Aaah...Good old Gustav. My primary cannon for quite some time. I love that damn thing.

[baboon6]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.

First of all the Carl Gustav is not a rocket launcher but a Grenade launcher.

Second, how many RPG-7 rockets is fired per minute by a drilled crew?

Actually its a recoilless gun, that fires some rocket-assisted projectiles.

[Thor]

@Adam Wilhelm

There is rocked assisted ammunition to Carl Gustaf.

http://products.saab.se/PDBWeb/ShowProduct.aspx?ProductId=652

Check HEAT 751

[khukuri]

K4, the north north north



okay heres the last pics

http://www.iol.ie/~forsacosanta/bof11.jpg

http://www.camerons.ca/Photos/Ex_GunCamp_2005_05.jpg

http://www.camerons.ca/Photos/Ex_GunCamp_2005_20.jpg

http://www.camerons.ca/Photos/Ex_GunCamp_2005_04.jpg

http://www.camerons.ca/Photos/Ex_DrumBeat2005_06.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/im/maavagi/rok_5.jpg

http://www3.hjv.dk/hjvk-9210/vaaben/carlgustav84mmCH.jpg


nörge?!

http://www.svik.org/thai_files/image002.jpg


spain, this is the bag with it stuff

http://www.viriatus.com/images/KFOR_Cgustav_1.jpg



see ya all

[NimDod]

[quote="Adam Wilhelm"]@NimDod: The RPG-7 is NOT 30 years older than the Carl Gustav.
The Carl Gustav came into service in 1948 as the "Granatgevär (Grenaderifle) m/48.
The RPG-7 didn´t come into russian service in 1918, did it? p-)

1948? :oops: pfff... looks like something that was made at the late 70's.
thanks.

was it ever used in a war? any pictures of it knocking out tanks?

[Adam Wilhelm]

@Thor: i know, my favorite though is ADM 401. p-)

@NimDod: it have been used in several wars: Congo, Vietnam, India-Pakistan...

[Thor]

NimDod

Been in quite a few conflicts

In the US the Army Rangers are using it, SEAL at least used to use it occasionaly.

Penetration: ERA + >500 mm RHA

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6685/heat7514na.jpg

[Marsuitor]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.
Bull****.
I'm a CG loader myself, and a real well drilled loader gets a new round reloaded within three or four seconds of the shot fired. It all depends on how fast the gunner acts, and if he's good too, he'll get alot of stuff blown up in a small amount of time.

[khukuri]

in falklands it stopped argentine landing boats

[jipman]

Yes because for theese countries its the only availble option which they can pay for. Look at countries which afford to pay for stuff. Like brazil, uses both russian and western equipment. Still they choose the GRG. Look at many eastern europian countries, they allow their special units to use western equipment like the grom, they use grg. etc


Just beacuse alot of countries use something doesnt have to mean ****.

I would love to compare in a real life situations your Carl Gustaf
and our Newest RPGs.


Sure, they might be better but how bout you get the **** out of this thread and make your own ruskipower thread. rofl ;)

[baboon6]

The Carl G was certainly used by the British in the Falklands War, mainly to knock out Argentine bunkers. Also quite seriously damaged a corvette off South Georgia. The US Rangers and SEALs have adopted it in recent years (despite having plenty of other systems available), I'm sure they've used it in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think the Aussies used them in Vietnam (though at one stage Sweden wouldn't supply ammo).

If the RPG is the AK of anti-tank weapons, the Carl G would seem to be the MAG- a bit heavy but packs a hell of a wallop.

How many rounds do each of those containers in the pic above carry? Also I read something about a thermobaric round being developed, anone know anything about this?

[Nrom]

As far as i know Carl Gustav is used by US Army?

[Hydro]

in falklands it stopped argentine landing boats

One was used to severely damage the "Guerrico", small frigate type affair, on South Georgia. The 84mm round landed short, bounced through the water a couple of times and eventually punched a sizeable hole through the hull under the waterline. Have heard nothing but praise for the "Charlie G" by those who used it, although there were complaints of the sheer weight of the thing!

[Nrom]

NimDod

Been in quite a few conflicts

In the US the Army Rangers are using it, SEAL at least used to use it occasionaly.

Penetration: ERA + >500 mm RHA

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6685/heat7514na.jpg


Hmmmm..... If T72 will have "ARENA" that ammo is useless ;)

[VISTREL]

just went to find websites to compare two and found that Gustav m2 (developed around the time of RPG7, little bit later) is about twice as heavy as RPG....."that's a huge bitch" (c)...

[UraBudanov]

By the time you fire 3 rockets down range, I will have 6 already landed on my target.
Bull****.
I'm a CG loader myself, and a real well drilled loader gets a new round reloaded within three or four seconds of the shot fired. It all depends on how fast the gunner acts, and if he's good too, he'll get alot of stuff blown up in a small amount of time.

I dont need a loader
One man can operate RPG 7, and did for the past 40 years.

[UraBudanov]

Yes because for theese countries its the only availble option which they can pay for. Look at countries which afford to pay for stuff. Like brazil, uses both russian and western equipment. Still they choose the GRG. Look at many eastern europian countries, they allow their special units to use western equipment like the grom, they use grg. etc


Just beacuse alot of countries use something doesnt have to mean ****.

I would love to compare in a real life situations your Carl Gustaf
and our Newest RPGs.


Sure, they might be better but how bout you get the f*** out of this thread and make your own ruskipower thread. rofl ;)

First post, and already a flame war

This place is designed for discussion/ comparing/ debating in a civil matter. You are not doing this so.

[mack pl]

http://grom.tgw.com.pl/images/8.jpg

GROM operators in A-stan during training with Carl Gustav

[Marsuitor]

I dont need a loader
One man can operate RPG 7, and did for the past 40 years.
Even more unlikely you could perform as well as you claimed in your 3 vs. 6 round post then.

[UraBudanov]

I dont need a loader
One man can operate RPG 7, and did for the past 40 years.
Even more unlikely you could perform as well as you claimed in your 3 vs. 6 round post then.

I will ask some people in Russian military tonight! We will find out

[McNasty]

Nevermind, I mixed up terms.

[eucalyptus]

Hmmmm..... If T72 will have "ARENA" that ammo is useless ;)

Why? Just reload and shoot again.. Or shoot a flare at it first then shoot the HEAT :lol:

[Marsuitor]

I will ask some people in Russian military tonight! We will find out
Well, with due respect, it doesn't matter what your friends will tell you. I could tell you i can fire 200 rounds a second from a CG, but it's still only claims over the internet = worth nothing.
For all it's worth, i'll "claim" to you that i was pretty damn drilled on loading the CG, and my gunner was pretty damn drilled in firing it. With accurate fire we could send alot of fire downrange and hit our targets. I'm sure your Russian friends can aswell, but the whole design of the two weapons doesn't facilitate the RPG series being twice as quick to reload and fire than the CG.
Firing these things is not too different from firing a sniper rifle. At range it's ****loads of steady hands, ballistics and setup to do if you want to take anything out.

[Resevoir Hogs]

I dont need a loader
One man can operate RPG 7, and did for the past 40 years.
Even more unlikely you could perform as well as you claimed in your 3 vs. 6 round post then.

I will ask some people in Russian military tonight! We will find out

Yea and more than half of those 6 rounds will either fail to detonate or land away from the target.

Carl Gs are far more accurate and I have never heard of or seen a round fail to detonate like the RPG rounds will.

And don't get me started on the Russian military.

[VaLiancY]

One beautiful piece of machinery. :oops:

[UraBudanov]

Hmmmm..... If T72 will have "ARENA" that ammo is useless ;)

Why? Just reload and shoot again.. Or shoot a flare at it first then shoot the HEAT :lol:

Second shot will be in a next dimension while sitting on a cloud.

[UraBudanov]

I will ask some people in Russian military tonight! We will find out
Well, with due respect, it doesn't matter what your friends will tell you. I could tell you i can fire 200 rounds a second from a CG, but it's still only claims over the internet = worth nothing.
For all it's worth, i'll "claim" to you that i was pretty damn drilled on loading the CG, and my gunner was pretty damn drilled in firing it. With accurate fire we could send alot of fire downrange and hit our targets. I'm sure your Russian friends can aswell, but the whole design of the two weapons doesn't facilitate the RPG series being twice as quick to reload and fire than the CG.
Firing these things is not too different from firing a sniper rifle. At range it's ****loads of steady hands, ballistics and setup to do if you want to take anything out.

Who knows, maybe with a right ammount of interest and money this could be recorded on CAMERA!!! Can you provide such footage from your side?

[Adam Wilhelm]

UraBudanov: have YOU fired the RPG-7?
And have you fired 6 rounds in one minute?

[UraBudanov]

UraBudanov: have YOU fired the RPG-7?
And have you fired 6 rounds in one minute?

No, never fired an RPG 7

[Flukeman]

@Flukeman: i take it you have never fired it? ;)
If you did you had know it is extremely accurate.


Yes I have fired it and been the loader, I found it to be accurate with the optical sights but the iron sights were **** ;)

The only thing in the RPG's favour is it's easier to carry.

[Hydro]

Who cares which is better? Both work and both make a ****ing big bang.

[VISTREL]

I dont need a loader
One man can operate RPG 7, and did for the past 40 years.
Even more unlikely you could perform as well as you claimed in your 3 vs. 6 round post then.

the average is between 4 and 6 shots per minute for RPG-7

[fernleaf]

http://www.army.mil.nz/images/articles/Photo%20Gallery/Jan05/Single%20Gun%20Shot.jpg

More kiwis...

There were rumours abound a few years ago that the Carl Gustaf, and the LAW were to be replaced in NZ service by the Panzerfaust 3.
This seems to have never come to anything, primarily because of our policy on not using anything that isn't used by Australia, Britain, Canada, or America (the ABCA Agreement). One exception to this is the Matra Mistral MANPADS that we bought without the correct software to make them work properly!!

But I digress...

Now we are getting Javelin ATGMs. We had a few (2 or 3) MILAN firing posts, but no missiles......not even submunition simulators.

[Flukeman]

More kiwis...

Hi Kiwi, got pissed in Singers with some Kiwi's, bloody good bunch.

reading about Victor Company in Vietnam at the moment.

Whoops better get back on topic...

IIRC the Charlie G sub calibre traing rd was in 6.5mm Swedish.

[big80a2]

does the Carl custav have a smoke trail, like on the RPG's (to my knowladge).
and if not, wouldn't that make it have a tactical advantige?

[Hydro]

does the Carl custav have a smoke trail, like on the RPG's (to my knowladge).
and if not, wouldn't that make it have a tactical advantige?


It shouldn't do, as the Charlie G fires a shell, not a rocket. Don't know about the rocket assisted rounds it can take though.

[Vioman]

does the Carl custav have a smoke trail, like on the RPG's (to my knowladge).
and if not, wouldn't that make it have a tactical advantige?


It shouldn't do, as the Charlie G fires a shell, not a rocket. Don't know about the rocket assisted rounds it can take though.

You cannot see the rocket while it is airborne.
And it hurts like hell when you fire it in a beach area, when that rocket engine lights up about 10 yards away, it burns the darn sand in your face.
But no smoke at all. p-)

[Sidka]

Anyone have video of carl gustav in action?

[McNasty]

Click here (mms://qstream-31.qbrick.com/01580/01580_1344_2_wis_l.wmv) - Streaming, you'll need a wmv capable player.
A demonstrational video showing the various types of ammunition available.

[Sidka]

Thx man very

[mountainbear]

The Panzerfaust is much better than the CG and RPG 7 !!!!! :P
http://www.rk-wiesbaden.de/images/panzerfaust3.jpg




j/k

Nice pics guys! :D
Here are more pics of the Carl Gustav in use with the Indian Army.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Images/0235.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Images2/0548.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/Images/0009.jpg
all pics from www.bharat-rakshak.com

[Vioman]

One More (http://www.4202.dk/4202_web/video/dyseskud.avi)

[Thor]

Great to see videos

Here's one with some homeguard unit in training. I believe they're firing ammo without warhead.

http://rapidshare.de/files/5107809/skottkommer.mpeg.html

[Sidka]

i love this weapon :) thx again for video guys :)

[Adam Wilhelm]

Yes I have fired it and been the loader, I found it to be accurate with the optical sights but the iron sights were **** ;)

The only thing in the RPG's favour is it's easier to carry.

Roger roger.

Arrr!! p-)

[Michael RVR]

I've never actually used the Iron sights on them, always used the optic. :oops:

3-6 rounds per minute in the RPG is actually quite slow compared to CG. Admittedly you have a no2 (loader) which obviously speeds things up - its a bit silly to claim the RPG is faster though.

Not sure about the smoke trail, some of the rounds have a tracer in the back though (can't for the life of me remember if all do or not) but i'd say that the RAP rounds should have a trail of some sorts.

Great fun to fire though :)

[Canadian Guy]

The Carl Gustav rounds have a red tracer that allow you to see them in flight , that is on the HEAT, RAP and TPT rounds which I've fired. It is still a very versatile weapon as has been stated. On amusing incident I witnessed a number of years ago was on a Company defensive live fire at night when the CG team in my platoon fired (their first round) it went shooting way up in the air to land many miles down range. The shoot was halted and range staff went over and gave the two gunners s**t thinking they had done something wrong but they swore they were aiming correctly and had the sights roughly zeroed and set at the right range. Anyway second round was fired and same thing! Turns out the dolts had the illumination round sight setting engaged (using glowing iron sights at night) without realizing it and the round going up in the air was the result unfortunately they were using HEAT rounds!

[gaijinsamurai]

I've got a question for those of you who know more about the Carl Gustav than I do:
In 2000 I was told by an instructor from 5th Special Forces Group that one reason the US Army does not field the Carl G more is that when it is fired multiple times, it causes potential heart damage to the user. A buddy of mine who was a former member of 75th Ranger Rgt., disputed this.
Can anyone verify this?

[Michael RVR]

I've never heard of anything like it.

That said, I have heard of things like having rest periods of such and such per such and such firings.

Also, we're meant to use double hearing protection. I've heard mentioned that it may be a requirement to wear CBA while firing the new HEAT rounds, i've yet to see them though so can't comment on that. ;)

[Michael RVR]

The Carl Gustav rounds have a red tracer that allow you to see them in flight , that is on the HEAT, RAP and TPT rounds which I've fired. It is still a very versatile weapon as has been stated. On amusing incident I witnessed a number of years ago was on a Company defensive live fire at night when the CG team in my platoon fired (their first round) it went shooting way up in the air to land many miles down range. The shoot was halted and range staff went over and gave the two gunners s**t thinking they had done something wrong but they swore they were aiming correctly and had the sights roughly zeroed and set at the right range. Anyway second round was fired and same thing! Turns out the dolts had the illumination round sight setting engaged (using glowing iron sights at night) without realizing it and the round going up in the air was the result unfortunately they were using HEAT rounds!

:lol:

F*cking dullards ;)

[Luno]

here is GRG movie from Bofors :)
but I fell sorry for the old Centurion that is blown up :(

You can’t left right click on the link so you have to righ click and play it online
mms://qstream-31.qbrick.com/01580/01580_1344_2_wis_l.wmv

[Andreas]

So why havent you told the funny story about the carl gustaf yet Marcus?
I find it quite amusing...


Cheers
Andreas

[Field_Gunner]

I've fired the thing 9 times now no heart problems.....BUT if your the #2/loader and your not ready when the thing goes off you can be a little shaken.

we kept setting the at range on fire, the round would hit the tank go off the the RAP would fly off and start a fire somewhere....after about 40 or 50 rnds the range hade to be shut down and we re-rolled into fire fighters with our canteens and shovels :roll:

[khukuri]

Same thing eith the training ammo, the tracers could set fires sometimes and training time would be going to shovle away fires.



Problems with the carl g.

Our security manual says that were only allowed to fire it 6 times in a period of 12 hours. Beacuse of tissue vs pressure problems. But thats a rule that is generally not followed. I dont know my stance on this.

[Michael RVR]

Yeah i do remember that, though not the reasoning for it.

Went though 18 rounds in a day on one lfx. ;)

[flanker7]

I went through 24 rounds of 106mm M-40A1 RR in about 1.5 hours. Gave me a headaghe! But it was FUN

[Vioman]

7 live rounds a day was our golden rule.
Shockwave would destroy the tissue holding the intestines slowly if you kept firing. Ie, shaking your guts in pieces.
Also, you may not close your mouth during live fire or the shockwave will cause blood exiting your nose, ears and such.
That I was told.
Can't say anything about my intestines being busted, but the noseblood is a fact. Great for clearing the nostrils if you got the flu. p-)

[appslapp]

I dont think this rule exist in sweden..I have fired it a lot more the 6-7 time in one hour. And we had also the 9cm pv cannon (like a long CarlGustav mouted on a jeep) and this pvcannon made the CarlGustav sound like a mouse ;)

[khukuri]

I dont think this rule exist in sweden..I have fired it a lot more the 6-7 time in one hour. And we had also the 9cm pv cannon (like a long CarlGustav mouted on a jeep) and this pvcannon made the CarlGustav sound like a mouse ;)


Hmm... maybe it didnt exist in your time cuz it did in my. But unlike many säkI rules, our officers wasnt keen on following that rule.

[Boina verde]

Portuguese Marine with Karl Gustav:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/320/CAF/KarlGustav.jpg

[khukuri]

http://www.21infantry.com/images/photos/84mm.jpg

http://www.21infantry.com/images/photos/84_drill.jpg

Oirish

[un_swe]

I dont think this rule exist in sweden..I have fired it a lot more the 6-7 time in one hour. And we had also the 9cm pv cannon (like a long CarlGustav mouted on a jeep) and this pvcannon made the CarlGustav sound like a mouse ;)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album115/aam.jpg

feels soooo good.

un_swe

[V/E]

2 more pix from sweden.
http://193.11.254.142/~andreas/pics/90/ravlunda/slides/IMAG0047.JPG
old version.

http://193.11.254.142/~andreas/pics/90/ravlunda/slides/IMAG0046.JPG
New version.

[FDF_Hemppis]

feels soooo good.



Unless you're standing some 10 meters away minding your own job, and that thing* goes off... big bada-boom! :lol:

*In this case I'm of course talking about the Finnish version of the recoilles rifle, the 95 S 58-61 (pic (http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1087198775_raskassinko.jpg))

[wiking]

NimDod

Been in quite a few conflicts

In the US the Army Rangers are using it, SEAL at least used to use it occasionaly.

Penetration: ERA + >500 mm RHA

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6685/heat7514na.jpg


Hmmmm..... If T72 will have "ARENA" that ammo is useless ;)

rofl rofl SAAB - I'd trust it about as much as rifle with LADA printed on it

i'm a Norwegian, taking the piss out of swedes and things they make is a national pass time here

[Morboute]

NimDod

Been in quite a few conflicts

In the US the Army Rangers are using it, SEAL at least used to use it occasionaly.

Penetration: ERA + >500 mm RHA

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6685/heat7514na.jpg


Hmmmm..... If T72 will have "ARENA" that ammo is useless ;)

rofl rofl SAAB - I'd trust it about as much as rifle with LADA printed on it

i'm a Norwegian, taking the piss out of swedes and things they make is a national pass time here

to bad for you, and i asume you didnt watch the video posted earlier.

[Thor]

@Nrom

Has ARENA worked in Chechnya? It's hyped by the russians, that I know.


Anyway, just fire some other projectile first, then the AP round.

[Marsuitor]

I've got a question for those of you who know more about the Carl Gustav than I do:
In 2000 I was told by an instructor from 5th Special Forces Group that one reason the US Army does not field the Carl G more is that when it is fired multiple times, it causes potential heart damage to the user. A buddy of mine who was a former member of 75th Ranger Rgt., disputed this.
Can anyone verify this?
We were told this too. Norwegian SOP i believe is that in peacetime (which means during training obviously) no team should fire more than six shells a day. Any more could cause internal shock damage, including irregularities in the heart rythm due to the shockwave sort of doing the same as a CPR compression. During buildup training i believe my CG pair in one day fired 15 rounds, and were close enough to the other teams firing to make it the equivalent to around 30 rounds in one day. Let's just say that after that i was a different person for the two next days. It does get to you...

[un_swe]

feels soooo good.



Unless you're standing some 10 meters away minding your own job, and that thing* goes off... big bada-boom! :lol:

*In this case I'm of course talking about the Finnish version of the recoilles rifle, the 95 S 58-61 (pic (http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1087198775_raskassinko.jpg))

Did the Finnish army mount that gun on the XA-185?
I have a blurry memory from Lebanon, that we saw it there on the Finnish battalion.

un_swe

[VISTREL]

@Nrom

Has ARENA worked in Chechnya? It's hyped by the russians, that I know.

ARENA wasn't used in chechnya in tanks that were on field...only several tanks had it, and were protecting headquarters in Hankala....

[wiking]

I've got a question for those of you who know more about the Carl Gustav than I do:
In 2000 I was told by an instructor from 5th Special Forces Group that one reason the US Army does not field the Carl G more is that when it is fired multiple times, it causes potential heart damage to the user. A buddy of mine who was a former member of 75th Ranger Rgt., disputed this.
Can anyone verify this?
We were told this too. Norwegian SOP i believe is that in peacetime (which means during training obviously) no team should fire more than six shells a day. Any more could cause internal shock damage, including irregularities in the heart rythm due to the shockwave sort of doing the same as a CPR compression. During buildup training i believe my CG pair in one day fired 15 rounds, and were close enough to the other teams firing to make it the equivalent to around 30 rounds in one day. Let's just say that after that i was a different person for the two next days. It does get to you...

Could you elaborate a bit, like how it affects you?

[tommy00]

http://www.mil.ee/kevadtorm/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id=IMG_8865

Great weapon!!

[Navy]

wiking: everywhere you post you seem to post something bad about Sweden.

Our norwegian baby-brother have inferior complex?

[wiking]

wiking: everywhere you post you seem to post something bad about Sweden.

Our norwegian baby-brother have inferior complex?

Just pissed cause you've got 99.99999999999999999999999999999999% über hot women :( p-)

[Marsuitor]

I've got a question for those of you who know more about the Carl Gustav than I do:
In 2000 I was told by an instructor from 5th Special Forces Group that one reason the US Army does not field the Carl G more is that when it is fired multiple times, it causes potential heart damage to the user. A buddy of mine who was a former member of 75th Ranger Rgt., disputed this.
Can anyone verify this?
We were told this too. Norwegian SOP i believe is that in peacetime (which means during training obviously) no team should fire more than six shells a day. Any more could cause internal shock damage, including irregularities in the heart rythm due to the shockwave sort of doing the same as a CPR compression. During buildup training i believe my CG pair in one day fired 15 rounds, and were close enough to the other teams firing to make it the equivalent to around 30 rounds in one day. Let's just say that after that i was a different person for the two next days. It does get to you...

Could you elaborate a bit, like how it affects you?
Well, one of the guys got nosebleeds for instance. I was an idiot for the rest of the day, and slow the next. Got a big farking headache, and for a couple of hours after shooting i had a quicker heart-rate.
Being the loader is by far the worst part, you don't know when the shot is coming (which makes you very tense), and the sensation when the thing fires is about the same as being hit hard in the head as during a fight. You're very disoriented for the next two or so seconds, only reason the thing is reloading is because it's been drilled.

[tommy00]

http://www.mil.ee/kevadtorm/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album51&id=IMG_9731
http://www.mil.ee/kevadtorm/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id=IMG_8864
http://www.mil.ee/kevadtorm/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album31&id=IMG_8798

[wiking]

I've got a question for those of you who know more about the Carl Gustav than I do:
In 2000 I was told by an instructor from 5th Special Forces Group that one reason the US Army does not field the Carl G more is that when it is fired multiple times, it causes potential heart damage to the user. A buddy of mine who was a former member of 75th Ranger Rgt., disputed this.
Can anyone verify this?
We were told this too. Norwegian SOP i believe is that in peacetime (which means during training obviously) no team should fire more than six shells a day. Any more could cause internal shock damage, including irregularities in the heart rythm due to the shockwave sort of doing the same as a CPR compression. During buildup training i believe my CG pair in one day fired 15 rounds, and were close enough to the other teams firing to make it the equivalent to around 30 rounds in one day. Let's just say that after that i was a different person for the two next days. It does get to you...

Could you elaborate a bit, like how it affects you?
Well, one of the guys got nosebleeds for instance. I was an idiot for the rest of the day, and slow the next. Got a big farking headache, and for a couple of hours after shooting i had a quicker heart-rate.
Being the loader is by far the worst part, you don't know when the shot is coming (which makes you very tense), and the sensation when the thing fires is about the same as being hit hard in the head as during a fight. You're very disoriented for the next two or so seconds, only reason the thing is reloading is because it's been drilled.

Sounds like ****. So it's that bad sitting next to the gunner. :| Thanks for warning me, if i end up in the army i'll be sure to get on an MG3 or be a plain rifleman ;)

[Swedish_Marine]

I agree on being the loader sucks as Marcus says, but being the gunner is by far the best. Firing the CG is also the best cure for a clogged up nose. The shockwave will make the snot come flying out of your nose immediatly.

As far as you guys complaining about the weight, you need to work out more. :lol:

"SKOTT KOMMER!!" "KLART BAKÅT!" *BOOOM!!!!*

[wiking]

I agree on being the loader sucks as Marcus says, but being the gunner is by far the best. Firing the CG is also the best cure for a clogged up nose. The shockwave will make the snot come flying out of your nose immediatly.

As far as you guys complaining about the weight, you need to work out more. :lol:

"SKOTT KOMMER!!" "KLART BAKÅT!" *BOOOM!!!!*

"å satans forbannade jevlar!!! Det er ikke klart bakåt!!" p-)

[Michael RVR]

I've got a question for those of you who know more about the Carl Gustav than I do:
In 2000 I was told by an instructor from 5th Special Forces Group that one reason the US Army does not field the Carl G more is that when it is fired multiple times, it causes potential heart damage to the user. A buddy of mine who was a former member of 75th Ranger Rgt., disputed this.
Can anyone verify this?
We were told this too. Norwegian SOP i believe is that in peacetime (which means during training obviously) no team should fire more than six shells a day. Any more could cause internal shock damage, including irregularities in the heart rythm due to the shockwave sort of doing the same as a CPR compression. During buildup training i believe my CG pair in one day fired 15 rounds, and were close enough to the other teams firing to make it the equivalent to around 30 rounds in one day. Let's just say that after that i was a different person for the two next days. It does get to you...

Could you elaborate a bit, like how it affects you?
Well, one of the guys got nosebleeds for instance. I was an idiot for the rest of the day, and slow the next. Got a big farking headache, and for a couple of hours after shooting i had a quicker heart-rate.
Being the loader is by far the worst part, you don't know when the shot is coming (which makes you very tense), and the sensation when the thing fires is about the same as being hit hard in the head as during a fight. You're very disoriented for the next two or so seconds, only reason the thing is reloading is because it's been drilled.

I don't know about disoriontation, i reckon you must be a bit soft marcus p-)

Certainly does kick you around a bit. As for the no2/loader not knowing when the next shot is coming up, we usually say to the loader that we're about to fire just before we do it so they can stop checking the bbda and llook forward, so its not so much of an issue.

Is that similar to how you do it?

[OldRecon]

I agree on being the loader sucks as Marcus says, but being the gunner is by far the best. Firing the CG is also the best cure for a clogged up nose. The shockwave will make the snot come flying out of your nose immediatly.

As far as you guys complaining about the weight, you need to work out more. :lol:

"SKOTT KOMMER!!" "KLART BAKÅT!" *BOOOM!!!!*

"å satans forbannade jevlar!!! Det er ikke klart bakåt!!" p-)

Same drill in the Norwegian armed forces btw. And if it's not all clear behind the gun, the loader shouts "wait" (if my memory serves me correct?), following up with a "clear to the rear", when the scatterbrains to the rear have collected themselves sufficiently to get out of harms way of the backblast. That's in theory at least.
Though the way the 84 mm CG drill was drummed in during my pre-employment for Lebanon, I suspect the loader would have shouted "clear to the rear" anyway, even if it had not been so, as the training focused on firing the damned thing rather than a lot of what ifs (except for what to do with a dud round that is).
Fired four full scale round rounds or thereabout, and according to my loader every shot was a bullseye :lol:. Though personaly I must admit I did not have that certain an idea of where my shots went and found the optical sight somewhat awkward for whatever reason. The trigger pull of the damned thing was also awfully long, squeaky and mushy.
And the sensation when the shot went off, somewhat reminded me of being rustled around in a concrete mixer for a fraction of a seccond.
Some of my colleagues forgot to cross their legs in the prescribed manner in the firing drill. At least 2 of whom had pretty sizeable holes burned through their new pair of field trouser. One of them I think even bled quite a bit from a gash in the leg.
Don't remember much of the drills with the weapon, but think there was something about 600 meters and 400 meters and backblast safety distance 60 m or so.
One peculiarity about the rounds for the CG was that the percussion primer was located on the side of the shell.
But if you held the shell in a cradle type grip with right hand during loading, and ensured that the long and index fingers fitted into a slot on the side of the base of the shell, the shell would allmost allways be alligned correctly with regards to the firing pin vs. percussion cap (venturi breech could not be closed unless shell was correctly lined btw).
In the live fire exercise vid of a Norwegian plt. in Kosovo posted under another thread here, I observed that the loader did not use the prescribed cradle type grip for loading the shell, and had problems aligning the shell correctly and closing venturi breech as a result :lol:.

[cazorp]

Armies worldwide uses the CG.

Insurgents and Tangos worldwide uses the RPG-7.

-I know for sure which systems the best! woot

[OldRecon]

Armies worldwide uses the CG.

Insurgents and Tangos worldwide uses the RPG-7.

-I know for sure which systems the best! woot

The RPG because of its more widespread use? :lol:

[FDF_Hemppis]

feels soooo good.



Unless you're standing some 10 meters away minding your own job, and that thing* goes off... big bada-boom! :lol:

*In this case I'm of course talking about the Finnish version of the recoilles rifle, the 95 S 58-61 (pic (http://tietokannat.mil.fi/kalustoesittely/media/1087198775_raskassinko.jpg))

Did the Finnish army mount that gun on the XA-185?
I have a blurry memory from Lebanon, that we saw it there on the Finnish battalion.

un_swe

On a XA-185? No, don't think so... (at least I've never heard we have a mount for XA's. I somehow DO remember seeing a pic of it mounted on a BV-206 (or then it was the TOW ;))

Not sure though, since I'm not an AT-guy :P

[un_swe]

This was back in 1987 when i was there.

un_swe

[OldRecon]

This was back in 1987 when i was there.

un_swe

You had SISU 6x6 APC's as escort vehicles in SWEDMEDCOY (or was it SWEDLOG?)?
Think I have a pic of a SISU passing in NORBATT AO with a Browning HB 12,7, rather than the Dskh used on the FMR vehicles, and the nickname "ODEN" in runic letters somewhere at the front of the vehicle.
Though I didn't reflect over it at the time, I think the vehicle belonged to some some kind of Swedish UNIFIL unit now as I look at the pictures.

[un_swe]

In 1987 we (SWEDLOG) didnt have any armour in Lebanon, XA:s and a number of other armoured vehicles was deployed on the various battalions in the AO.
SWEDLOG had no armour at all at this point of time. Sometimes there was Norwegian XA:s assigned to SWEDMEDCOY, but most of the time we used softskins.
Have some pics of the different vehichles here

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Lebanon-1987-Graphic


un_swe

[OldRecon]

Here's a clip with a good example of the fire drill command sequence for the 84 mm CG (in Norwegian I'm afraid :lol: ).

http://www.norvetnet.no/fotobase/wiggo/minnevideo/0018_The_End.wmv

Leader designate range: "200!"
Gunner confirms range: "200!"
Leader designates target and bearing of target: "Fiendtlig PPK - Rett frem!" ("Enemy APC - Straight ahead!")
Gunner confirms target: "Mottatt" ("Roger!")
Leader warns gunner to be ready: "På kommando!" ("On command!")
Gunner warns he's about to fire: "Skudd kommer!" ("Ready to fire!")
Loader confirms: "Klart bak!" ("clear to the rear!")
Leader gives fire command: "Ild!" ("Fire!").
Gunner fires the weapon

...

At the end there's a sequence on how we felt about ourselves in APC-plt. :lol:.

[wiking]

Here's a clip with a good example of the fire drill command sequence for the 84 mm CG (in Norwegian I'm afraid :lol: ).

http://www.norvetnet.no/fotobase/wiggo/minnevideo/0018_The_End.wmv

Leader designate range: "200!"
Gunner confirms range: "200!"
Leader designates target and bearing of target: "Fiendtlig PPK - Rett frem!" ("Enemy APC - Straight ahead!")
Gunner confirms target: "Mottatt" ("Roger!")
Leader warns gunner to be ready: "På kommando!" ("On command!")
Gunner warns he's about to fire: "Skudd kommer!" ("Ready to fire!")
Loader confirms: "Klart bak!" ("clear to the rear!")
Leader gives fire command: "Ild!" ("Fire!").
Gunner fires the weapon

...

At the end there's a sequence on how we felt about ourselves in APC-plt. :lol:.

"We are the champions" :lol:

[OldRecon]

In 1987 we (SWEDLOG) didnt have any armour in Lebanon, XA:s and a number of other armoured vehicles was deployed on the various battalions in the AO.
SWEDLOG had no armour at all at this point of time. Sometimes there was Norwegian XA:s assigned to SWEDMEDCOY, but most of the time we used softskins.
Have some pics of the different vehichles here

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Lebanon-1987-Graphic


un_swe

OK.
I'm in the process of scanning my old albums, so maybe will post some of the pics here in the near future and you can have a look at the pic I mention above (I was there a few year after you).

[wiking]

In 1987 we (SWEDLOG) didnt have any armour in Lebanon, XA:s and a number of other armoured vehicles was deployed on the various battalions in the AO.
SWEDLOG had no armour at all at this point of time. Sometimes there was Norwegian XA:s assigned to SWEDMEDCOY, but most of the time we used softskins.
Have some pics of the different vehichles here

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Lebanon-1987-Graphic


un_swe

OK.
I'm in the process of scanning my old albums, so maybe will post some of the pics here in the near future and you can have a look at the pic I mention above (I was there a few year after you).

You got lots of pics?
Allways nice to see pics from norwegians in service mate, looking forward to it.

[OldRecon]

In 1987 we (SWEDLOG) didnt have any armour in Lebanon, XA:s and a number of other armoured vehicles was deployed on the various battalions in the AO.
SWEDLOG had no armour at all at this point of time. Sometimes there was Norwegian XA:s assigned to SWEDMEDCOY, but most of the time we used softskins.
Have some pics of the different vehichles here

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Lebanon-1987-Graphic


un_swe

OK.
I'm in the process of scanning my old albums, so maybe will post some of the pics here in the near future and you can have a look at the pic I mention above (I was there a few year after you).

You got lots of pics?
Allways nice to see pics from norwegians in service mate, looking forward to it.

Not many good I'm affraid, but there should be some.

[OldRecon]

In 1987 we (SWEDLOG) didnt have any armour in Lebanon, XA:s and a number of other armoured vehicles was deployed on the various battalions in the AO.
SWEDLOG had no armour at all at this point of time. Sometimes there was Norwegian XA:s assigned to SWEDMEDCOY, but most of the time we used softskins.
Have some pics of the different vehichles here

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Lebanon-1987-Graphic


un_swe

OK.
I'm in the process of scanning my old albums, so maybe will post some of the pics here in the near future and you can have a look at the pic I mention above (I was there a few year after you).

Ok here it is. This Sisu I think must have belonged to some Swedish unit under Unifil:
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/4382/swedmedcoysisu4jr.jpg

Not a CG pic though :roll:.