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andreen
09-15-2005, 08:45 AM
"The STEYR AUG A3 modular weapon system is the latest result of the continued development of the world renowned STEYR AUG rifle series.

The STEYR AUG A3 design is also based on modular system components, which can be configured from one variant to another quickly and easily, without tools, and at unit level, in order to meet a wide range of future weapon requirements.

The STEYR AUG A3 “bullpup” design maintained its short overall length, without influencing the barrel length, to meet or exceed, required accuracy standards.

The STEYR AUG A3 features a number of Picatinny rails (Mil. Std. 1913 rails), which allow the quick and easy mounting of various accessories, such as a grenade launcher, illumination and target acquisition devices, including a variety of optics or night vision devices.

Due to its utmost flexibility design concept, the STEYR AUG A3 is a state-of-the-art, multipurpose assault rifle, for day and night operations."

Text taken fom the Steyer Arms homepage.
I think it will do very well in Urban and jungle Warfare.

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0593_01.jpg

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0601_01.jpg

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0596_01.jpg

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0592_01.jpg

Asheren
09-15-2005, 09:01 AM
Nice especialy third one. I don't know about jungle but i think its nice weapon for urban ecounters.

Frens
09-15-2005, 09:01 AM
that's a good upgrade!
btw, I fired a steyr aug last week for the first time but I didnt like it. it was really funny to shoot but I would change some things like the charging handle and the mag release...maybe it was so uncomfortable to me because it was the first time and I usually shoot my AR15

andreen
09-15-2005, 09:04 AM
now that is awsome. Thats wot HK needs to do to the SA80! Whens it come into service? Are there any other bullpups with the rail/mount function? I cant think of any off the top of my head...

I donīt think so, that wod be if FAMS have com up with somting new.
Wat do you think, will Irland adopt the new A3

andreen
09-15-2005, 09:12 AM
Nice especialy third one. I don't know about jungle but i think its nice weapon for urban ecounters.

O I wod like to have the this one with the new Aimpont COMPM3
god for jungle
http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0593_01.jpg

http://www.aimpoint.com/cache/ttf/0eecd4d130eeeb5faf.jpg

Spike_Kojima
09-15-2005, 09:26 AM
Wat do you think, will Irland adopt the new A3
I would hope so, its one nice piece of kit.I think i may have to join up if they get it. ;)

wiking
09-15-2005, 11:05 AM
It's a sexy piece of kit. I'd love to shoot one of those.

Doomsayer
09-15-2005, 11:16 AM
love it ... the modularity and compactness of the M4 and the barrel length of an M16 woot

scrybe
09-15-2005, 08:41 PM
That looks ecellent. I'll take the bottom one with the Leuy on it.... actually I'll take two.

Rictor
09-15-2005, 09:52 PM
...I'm in love.

930mps
09-16-2005, 05:29 AM
http://www.adi-limited.com/pdfs/steyr_a4.pdf
That is a link to an article concerning what the Aussies are doing to their AUG, the F-88 A4.
Not as gucci but a similar concept, more practical maybe.

Tony Williams
09-17-2005, 06:32 AM
I was looking at this at the DSEi in London this week, and talking to the Steyr reps. They confirmed that it will be made in 6.8x43 Rem if anyone cares to place an order...

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

combat jack
09-17-2005, 01:13 PM
I dont know why America hasnt adopted a Bullpup design. Compactness of a sub-machine gun, accuracy of a sniper rifle.......brilliant. Could do away with alot of different systems.

kutter
09-17-2005, 02:52 PM
One question, how do you fire the grenade launcher? I don't see any discernible trigger, unless theres some lever on the other side (which would be pretty awkward) we can't see in the pics.
http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0601_01.jpg

wiking
09-17-2005, 04:53 PM
one thing i have to say is, that the new design looks considerably more sturdy than the old one. especially around the barrel.

Rishon
09-17-2005, 05:01 PM
...I'm in love. x2.

Little J
09-17-2005, 05:14 PM
Tony you handled one of these ... no i refuse to be jealous :petting:

Is that a bolt hold open . just about the mag release? Also like Kutter, would like to know how the 203 fires?

Hydro
09-17-2005, 05:19 PM
Tony you handled one of these ... no i refuse to be jealous :petting:

Is that a bolt hold open . just about the mag release? Also like Kutter, would like to know how the 203 fires?

Doesn't the current crop of Steyr variants have a bolt hold open, but to release the working parts forward you had to pull the cocking handle back and release it? A button release would be nifty for the A3...

b33f
09-17-2005, 07:05 PM
Tony you handled one of these ... no i refuse to be jealous :petting:

Is that a bolt hold open . just about the mag release? Also like Kutter, would like to know how the 203 fires?

Doesn't the current crop of Steyr variants have a bolt hold open, but to release the working parts forward you had to pull the cocking handle back and release it?

When pulling the cocking handle back it is possible to turn it towards the center of the rifle, holding the bolt open (you have to do this to be able to take off the barrel as well) where it will remain (but not seated tooo stable), if you want to release it you just have to tap the handle down and it will go forward again.

Btw.: this is the A3/203 combo from the right side:
http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/uploads/pics/G8HB0566.jpg

I still can't see how the M203 is fired.

wiking
09-17-2005, 07:44 PM
that plastic thingy with the round hole, could that be the trigger?

CQB_Operator
09-18-2005, 04:11 AM
one thing i have to say is, that the new design looks considerably more sturdy than the old one. especially around the barrel.

x2

Herrmannek
09-18-2005, 04:58 AM
Probaly simmiliar like polish Pallad Gl, there are buttons from both sides of the weapon, you put left hand on the gl like you would normaly to shot the rifle, pointing finger on the right side of gl on one button, and thumb on the left side of wepon on another button. Yu must press one to be able to press second. THen it shots. Maybe idea sems awkward at first, but it is quite comfy, and safe if you aks me(dry fired only) and you don't need another grip or triger housing taking space and making weapon bulky...

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-18-2005, 07:27 AM
one thing i have to say is, that the new design looks considerably more sturdy than the old one. especially around the barrel.

x2

looks can be deceiving.

Having carried a Steyr AUG for the better part of fifteen years and having used it in a variety of operations across the world, I can personally vouch for the sturdyness of the weapon.
I have conducted airborne, heliborne, amphibious, mountain, desert, jungle, FIBUA and mobility operations with the weapon in the 14, 20 and 24 inch barrel configurations.

It is a tough, reliable, accurate weapon. Certainly not perfect but more than adequate for the job.

wiking
09-18-2005, 07:36 AM
one thing i have to say is, that the new design looks considerably more sturdy than the old one. especially around the barrel.

x2

looks can be deceiving.

Having carried a Steyr AUG for the better part of fifteen years and having used it in a variety of operations across the world, I can personally vouch for the sturdyness of the weapon.
I have conducted airborne, heliborne, amphibious, mountain, desert, jungle, FIBUA and mobility operations with the weapon in the 14, 20 and 24 inch barrel configurations.

It is a tough, reliable, accurate weapon. Certainly not perfect but more than adequate for the job.

Ok, as you said, looks can be deceiving.

But as a person who has carried the Steyr Aug, what do you think of the general look of the new one, and the addition of mounting rails?

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-18-2005, 09:51 AM
one thing i have to say is, that the new design looks considerably more sturdy than the old one. especially around the barrel.

x2

looks can be deceiving.

Having carried a Steyr AUG for the better part of fifteen years and having used it in a variety of operations across the world, I can personally vouch for the sturdyness of the weapon.
I have conducted airborne, heliborne, amphibious, mountain, desert, jungle, FIBUA and mobility operations with the weapon in the 14, 20 and 24 inch barrel configurations.

It is a tough, reliable, accurate weapon. Certainly not perfect but more than adequate for the job.

Ok, as you said, looks can be deceiving.

But as a person who has carried the Steyr Aug, what do you think of the general look of the new one, and the addition of mounting rails?

Generally it looks exactly the same as the A1/A2 other than the rail system. From what I can see the overall configuration is exactly the same with the only change being the top of the receiver.

But looks can be decieving. ;)

The addition of a comprehensive rail system is a major improvement as it expands the utility of the weapon system by several orders of magnitude. The A1 or SP version as it is sometimes known comes with a Picitinny rail as standard but that only covers the top of the receiver. Before that we used Kite sight rails as scope mounts for a variety of optics. For instance on the first deployment to East Timor I mounted a Kahles 6x scope that I had appropriated from an obselete Parker Hale on my Steyr IW.

flanker7
09-19-2005, 06:21 AM
that plastic thingy with the round hole, could that be the trigger?

Yes. You rotate it clockwise until the hole is in front of the hand-trigger guard, which brings the launcer into firing mode

Ballistic
09-19-2005, 08:23 PM
http://www.adi-limited.com/download.asp?file=pdfs/steyr_a4.pdf

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9530/steyrauga3a41ck.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steyrauga3a41ck.jpg)

The ADI Steyr upgrade is the bottom one, same idea, just doesnt look as cool, and we all know, looks are everything.. ;)

wiking
09-19-2005, 08:36 PM
It does look less bulky and not so "**** just taped on due to lack of better ways to mount it"

Michael RVR
09-19-2005, 09:29 PM
http://www.adi-limited.com/download.asp?file=pdfs/steyr_a4.pdf

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/9530/steyrauga3a41ck.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steyrauga3a41ck.jpg)

The ADI Steyr upgrade is the bottom one, same idea, just doesnt look as cool, and we all know, looks are everything.. ;)

Trust ADI to make it look crap. Apparently its heaps heavier also. :cantbeli:

fred_engles
09-20-2005, 01:39 AM
Trust ADI to make it look crap. Apparently its heaps heavier also. :cantbeli:I understand that it's a legal issue: ADI's license limits the types of modifications they may make to the design.

sickofpretenders
09-20-2005, 02:55 AM
No matter how good it looks its still a steyr. It sill has the rail that is open to sand and dirt and no dust cover. Its just had a patch up job to try to bring it up the the level of an M4. Im sure it will be popular with hollywood

Michael RVR
09-20-2005, 03:18 AM
Trust ADI to make it look crap. Apparently its heaps heavier also. :cantbeli:I understand that it's a legal issue: ADI's license limits the types of modifications they may make to the design.

Yeah that'd make sense.

You do know sop that styers actually perform better in sand and dirt than m4's do if the tests are to believed ;)

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-20-2005, 06:48 AM
No matter how good it looks its still a steyr. It sill has the rail that is open to sand and dirt and no dust cover. Its just had a patch up job to try to bring it up the the level of an M4. Im sure it will be popular with hollywood

How many rounds have you put through a Steyr?

How much time have you spent carrying it around on exercise or operations?

andreen
09-20-2005, 11:20 AM
No matter how good it looks its still a steyr. It sill has the rail that is open to sand and dirt and no dust cover. Its just had a patch up job to try to bring it up the the level of an M4. Im sure it will be popular with hollywood

You rely donīt know the history of the steyer. Itīs resistens to dirt, sand, mud, snow and any thing you can think of that wil make a cabine not work, that was the thing that steyer is known for. And yes it has open rails, so do the M4 wen the handle is of. The most imporent things on the carbine is protected, the magwell and the repetermekanism.

But I donīt think that M4 is a bad carbine, it do it job wery well. I do think som of the difenses on de C8/SFW is wery interesting. the swdish army is testing plastic mags, I dont like them, the have a tendensy to crack wen you drop them loaded on somthing hard.

sorry for som bad spelling my grama is laking behaind the werbal "thingy"

Luno
09-20-2005, 11:46 AM
I can start with saying that i have never fired steyr so i am no expert on the weapon and I am not a big fan off the bullpups design but I have a tiny question what is the weight off the weapon with al that mounted in it?

andreen
09-20-2005, 12:02 PM
I can start with saying that i have never fired steyr so i am no expert on the weapon and I am not a big fan off the bullpups design but I have a tiny question what is the weight off the weapon with al that mounted in it?

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/

futurepilot2004
09-20-2005, 12:26 PM
Wat do you think, will Irland adopt the new A3
I would hope so, its one nice piece of kit.I think i may have to join up if they get it. ;)

Nowe won`t.
We already use the A1, it would be rediculous to adopt the A3.

moughoun
09-20-2005, 05:02 PM
Wat do you think, will Irland adopt the new A3
I would hope so, its one nice piece of kit.I think i may have to join up if they get it. ;)

Nowe won`t.
We already use the A1, it would be rediculous to adopt the A3.
x2, the "fraggles" ;) are testing out some rifles they want at the moment, and the Aug A3 is not in that list, mainly because, in all honesty a "made in Malaysia" stamp does not inspire confidence p-)

Yarrick2
09-20-2005, 06:14 PM
No matter how good it looks its still a steyr. It sill has the rail that is open to sand and dirt and no dust cover. Its just had a patch up job to try to bring it up the the level of an M4. Im sure it will be popular with hollywood
hehehe it's in lockdown... but rainbow can't get it just the terrorists :(

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-21-2005, 12:16 AM
No matter how good it looks its still a steyr. It sill has the rail that is open to sand and dirt and no dust cover. Its just had a patch up job to try to bring it up the the level of an M4. Im sure it will be popular with hollywood

You rely donīt know the history of the steyer. Itīs resistens to dirt, sand, mud, snow and any thing you can think of that wil make a cabine not work, that was the thing that steyer is known for. And yes it has open rails, so do the M4 wen the handle is of. The most imporent things on the carbine is protected, the magwell and the repetermekanism.



Well I certainly woundn't go that far. As I stated earlier, its far from perfect, and one of the issues with the weapon is its not terribly fond of sand. The trigger mechanism tends to seize and the whole assembly has to be dismantled by an armourer to fix the issue. In my experience that occurs with both ADI and original build Steyr's.

taiaha
09-21-2005, 12:20 AM
Wat do you think, will Irland adopt the new A3
I would hope so, its one nice piece of kit.I think i may have to join up if they get it. ;)

Nowe won`t.
We already use the A1, it would be rediculous to adopt the A3.
x2, the "fraggles" ;) are testing out some rifles they want at the moment, and the Aug A3 is not in that list, mainly because, in all honesty a "made in Malaysia" stamp does not inspire confidence p-)

Well, you don't have to worry about the "made in Malaysia" bit moughoun. Malaysia's not going to produce the rifle.

taiaha
09-21-2005, 12:29 AM
(Copyright 2005. Financial Times Information Limited - Asia AfricaIntelligence Wire. All Material Subject to Copyright.)
KUALA LUMPUR, May 4 (Bernama) -- Steyr Mannlincher Holding GmbH said its joint venture with National Aerospace & Defence Industries Bhd (NADIB) was terminated last month.

The joint venture was for the manufacture, in the country, for all models of the Steyr AUG rifle for the global market.

In a statement here today, the company said it would be taking steps to wind down its operations and close its plant at Sungai Buloh, and meet the orders for Steyr AUG from its new plant in Austria.

Steyr AUG is a gas-operated semi or fully automatic assault rifle with locked action, quick changeable barrel and integrated optical sight.

In April last year, the joint venture company, Steyr Mannlicher (M) Sdn Bhd was formed and Steyr Mannlicher wound down its manufacture of the Steyr AUG in Austria in anticipation of the transfer of all technology for manufacturing the Steyr AUG to Malaysia.

The joint venture company, however, had yet to receive the necessary approvals for its manufacturing business.

NADIB withdrew from the joint venture in March 2005. This was described by Steyr Mannlincher as wrongful and a repudiation of its contract with the holding.

The withdrawal left Steyr Mannlincher without a Malaysian partner and with no option but to terminate all arrangements for the joint venture.

MEGR
09-21-2005, 01:13 AM
How many of you have actually fired this weapon and/or its other models? I mean, it looks nice, but I can't really judge until I get some range time with it.

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-21-2005, 01:33 AM
Feel free to read the entire thread...

Frens
09-21-2005, 08:32 AM
How many of you have actually fired this weapon and/or its other models? I mean, it looks nice, but I can't really judge until I get some range time with it.

as I said it didn't impressed me

HavocIRL
09-21-2005, 09:20 AM
Wat do you think, will Irland adopt the new A3
I would hope so, its one nice piece of kit.I think i may have to join up if they get it. ;)

Irish Army already have it.

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-23-2005, 12:27 PM
How many of you have actually fired this weapon and/or its other models? I mean, it looks nice, but I can't really judge until I get some range time with it.

as I said it didn't impressed me

Oh no, didn't it?

Well, we'll hunt down every example ever produced and destroy it then, shall we?

A 'night of the long knives', only for Steyr AUGs. :roll:

Frens
09-23-2005, 12:38 PM
How many of you have actually fired this weapon and/or its other models? I mean, it looks nice, but I can't really judge until I get some range time with it.

as I said it didn't impressed me

Oh no, didn't it?

Well, we'll hunt down every example ever produced and destroy it then, shall we?


no problem for me

:roll:

Ngati Tumatauenga
09-23-2005, 01:54 PM
Frens wrote,

as I said in another topic I have fired a Steyr AUG A1 (the shot version) but I didn't like it at all....I still prefer my AR15. beside it jammed ofthen (FTF & FTE,even chambering the first round) the steyr was too unbalanced to the rear, also it was uncomfortable to change the magazine and to release the bolt. it's too complicated compared to my AR.
it was funny to shoot and the recoil was about the same of the AR. the barrel was shorter (16'' vs 20'') but the weight was about the same and it was so short that it seemed heavier to me.

just my 2cents experience

I once 'broke' 4x M-4s in a week on the range, but you don't hear me bagging 'AR-15' weapons do you?

Geezah
09-23-2005, 02:42 PM
How many of you have actually fired this weapon and/or its other models? I mean, it looks nice, but I can't really judge until I get some range time with it.

I put 10rnds through the 16" barrel at the range, I loved it, I actually prefered shooting it to my ARs.

There's a company over here that's going to be making domestic recievers, and to be honest I wouldn't mind adding one to my collection.

sickofpretenders
09-26-2005, 09:25 AM
No matter how good it looks its still a steyr. It sill has the rail that is open to sand and dirt and no dust cover. Its just had a patch up job to try to bring it up the the level of an M4. Im sure it will be popular with hollywood

How many rounds have you put through a Steyr?
well over 100,000 through several (live, not blanks). I would be guessing trying to narrow it down any further

How much time have you spent carrying it around on exercise or operations?
6 months ops, a couple years of time with regular ex's

I have done about the same as both the above with the M4.
A bit with the AK and FN/SLR too.

I know about the steyr trials, but when your weapon is in a zod getting smashed by seawater for hours and then gets sand from the beach on it is getting different conditions to the tests they did. The steyr cant take it. The M4 can.

All those additions to the steyr will make an already fairly heavy rifle a little heavier in order to bring it up the the M4's level of flexibility.

Not to mention the steyr tigger sucks, the safety catch sucks, the mag release is such you cant release with you right while getting a new mag with your left, the Aus issue scope is a joke (NZ one is a bit better) and I cant imagine a worse situation than going to ground in a firefight and your plastic magazine shattering on a stone.

Prometheus
10-20-2005, 12:54 PM
I know about the steyr trials, but when your weapon is in a zod getting smashed by seawater for hours and then gets sand from the beach on it is getting different conditions to the tests they did. The steyr cant take it. The M4 can.


Mahahaa... yeah... the M4 is internationally renown for it's "qualities" in sandy conditions. I will not defend the Steyr, because I don't know how it will perform in such conditions, but an AR15 will jam.



All those additions to the steyr will make an already fairly heavy rifle a little heavier in order to bring it up the the M4's level of flexibility.

Agree, but I would still take an AUG A1/A2 over a M4 at any time.


and I cant imagine a worse situation than going to ground in a firefight and your plastic magazine shattering on a stone.

And I can't imagine bigger BS than this comment. The mag is made of plastic - yes. But it's very rugged and a lot more stable than the failure ****e AR15 mags.

FallenAngel
10-20-2005, 01:52 PM
Mahahaa... yeah... the M4 is internationally renown for it's "qualities" in sandy conditions. I will not defend the Steyr, because I don't know how it will perform in such conditions, but an AR15 will jam.

...
And I can't imagine bigger BS than this comment. The mag is made of plastic - yes. But it's very rugged and a lot more stable than the failure ****e AR15 mags.

The AR15 series will fire during a beach assault senario as described. Now if you buried it in the sand for a day and THEN tried to do a beach assault without first cleaning it a little, it might/probably wouldn't work.

and the only thing wrong with the AR15 mags I've ever encountered were springs that were worn out and therefore wouldn't feed properly. Of course, that would apply to any magazine given enough usage.

Frens
10-20-2005, 02:13 PM
Now if you buried it in the sand for a day and THEN tried to do a beach assault without first cleaning it a little, it might/probably wouldn't work.

not only the AR15 series....any rifle would need to be cleaned a little after a day in the sand

windoto
07-03-2008, 11:37 AM
are there any picturs of aug a3 in action

SMGLee
07-03-2008, 12:31 PM
I can not believe you dragged up a 3 years old thread just to ask for action shots.....!!!!!

SilentType
07-03-2008, 08:20 PM
On June 19th I emailed Steyr Arms to confirm internet posts I have seen at various forums that the Steyr AUG A3 was going to be available soon for civilian purchase. Jack Riddle of Steyr Arms returned my email and informed me that they were working on a deal that would allow semi-auto only Steyr AUG A3s to be produce within the United States to be made available for civilian sale. Mr. Riddle told me to expect an announcement on Steyr Arms website in 60 days (from June 19th).

At recent shows folks have heard from Steyr Arms the same thing and it appears that Sabre Defense will be the one actually making the A3 here in the United States.

Good stuff.

A modular rifle with short OAL and yet an 18" barrel that has enough rail space to mount everything including the kitchen sink and a combat proven operating system. Good times.

maw
07-03-2008, 09:56 PM
On June 19th I emailed Steyr Arms to confirm internet posts I have seen at various forums that the Steyr AUG A3 was going to be available soon for civilian purchase.

i've read that thread on arf. i hope so.

i love the aug. years ago i took a class with giles stock of the wilderness company. he is a big fan of the aug. i mean real big. i was initially cynical, but after he showed me how to shoot and manipulate the weapon everything sort of clicked. the trigger is bad at first but once you get used to it you can feel the break point. the balance is superb, the speed at which the muzzle can be presented is mad and it's overall compactness was very useful. my only real beef was the relatively slow mag changes and the lack of a last round hold bolt open. otherwise i was sold. when the a3 becomes available stateside i'll buy one if not two.

the sabre deal is interesting because several of the buyers who were put off by the whole "made in malaysia" thing will now have an alternative.

Frens
07-04-2008, 03:03 AM
too late...

Steyr would be 3rd after the MSAR STG556 and the newer TPD AXR (that takes AR mags!) already available on the market....

windoto
07-04-2008, 04:44 AM
if i read a thread i don't mind the date
i just wothe just like some picturs
(dont minde the enlische i am duths

SilentType
07-05-2008, 03:38 PM
i've read that thread on arf. i hope so.

i love the aug. years ago i took a class with giles stock of the wilderness company. he is a big fan of the aug. i mean real big. i was initially cynical, but after he showed me how to shoot and manipulate the weapon everything sort of clicked. the trigger is bad at first but once you get used to it you can feel the break point. the balance is superb, the speed at which the muzzle can be presented is mad and it's overall compactness was very useful. my only real beef was the relatively slow mag changes and the lack of a last round hold bolt open. otherwise i was sold. when the a3 becomes available stateside i'll buy one if not two.

the sabre deal is interesting because several of the buyers who were put off by the whole "made in malaysia" thing will now have an alternative.

I'm happy that we have two semi-auto only rifles similiar to the AUG A2 available in the United States with the MSAR STG-556 and TPD AXR, but the AUG A3 is an evolution to the AUG design that truely makes it a modern rifle on par with anything out there or coming out.

Whether the rifle will be built by Sabre Defense under Contract with Steyr is unknown to me at this time. I think it would be smart for Steyr to at some point build their own US production plant that would help them build the A3 for export and secure US contracts. With the strength of the dollar weak it makes a lot of sense to produce A3s here right now since our import laws ban their importation and we are the largest firearms market in the world. Sabre Defense was a good choice though for the initial runs of A3s and I hope the deal does go through. Sabre just secured a government contract for either M4s or M16A4s I believe and they've been doing government contracts for the M2 barrels for awhile. Sabre definetly can produce milspec products.

D.E. Watters
07-05-2008, 05:11 PM
Sabre just secured a government contract for either M4s or M16A4s I believe...

Their new .mil contract is for M16A3 and M16A4. The US Government can't second source the M4 carbine until next summer.

SilentType
07-06-2008, 12:18 AM
Their new .mil contract is for M16A3 and M16A4. The US Government can't second source the M4 carbine until next summer.

Thanks brother. Couldn't remember.

matthew.manhorn
07-08-2008, 12:32 AM
I don't know but TAR-21 pretty much dominated other bullpup rifles that we've been regarded in the past (I totally forgot about F2000, AUG, and L85A2 after the release the Tavor).

I mean you gotta trust those Israeli weapons, they're designed from practical combat experiences, not from a drawing board, and they must he hell of reliable.

That's my opinion.

PS: Just a question about bullpup's why is it impossible for a bullpup to chamber a 7.62 round? i've heard that chinese bullpup's have 7.62mm as well

Hydro
07-08-2008, 01:16 AM
PS: Just a question about bullpup's why is it impossible for a bullpup to chamber a 7.62 round? i've heard that chinese bullpup's have 7.62mm as well



It's not impossible for a bullpup to chamber 7.62. A US commercial company (Keltec?) makes a 7.62 bullpup using FAL magazines and with F2000 style forward ejection. An experimental 7.62 bullpup adaption of the FN FAL was prototyped in the 50's for example. I think the 7.62 bullpup is uncommon because when bullpups started becoming mainstream, 5.56 was slated to be the next NATO cartridge, so there was little point in chambering 7.62. Whether that will change in the future however....

matthew.manhorn
07-08-2008, 01:31 AM
Thanks for your reply Hydro, but didn't the Brits began their development of their own bullpup assault rifle before the 7.62 took place?

fantassin
07-09-2008, 06:13 AM
You will find a picture of the Steyr AUG A3 in Irish SF (Army Ranger Wing) hands in this magazine.

http://raids.histoireetcollections.com/publication-2130-raids-hors-serie-n-28.html

The ARW is the only Irish unit to use the A3.

On the picture visible in the magazine, the AUG has got a Leupold CQT scope; considering the surroundings of the picture (very sandy and dusty weapon with a SRV special vehicle behind), it must have been taken recently in Chad during the EUFOR mission.

Fianjnoglach
07-11-2008, 05:29 PM
In Irish Military Photos, in the Strictly Photos and Videos thread, a new batch of pics has been posted showing irish SF in Chad using Steyr A3s.

goose36
07-12-2008, 03:15 AM
You will find a picture of the Steyr AUG A3 in Irish SF (Army Ranger Wing) hands in this magazine.

http://raids.histoireetcollections.com/publication-2130-raids-hors-serie-n-28.html

The ARW is the only Irish unit to use the A3.

On the picture visible in the magazine, the AUG has got a Leupold CQT scope; considering the surroundings of the picture (very sandy and dusty weapon with a SRV special vehicle behind), it must have been taken recently in Chad during the EUFOR mission.

your not talking about the cover pic are u?

Bro Jangles
07-12-2008, 03:19 AM
your not talking about the cover pic are u?
i hope not there is only the Australian aug a L85 and a krinkov.

GoSka37
07-12-2008, 03:28 AM
I think it should be in my possession...

Irish
07-12-2008, 06:39 AM
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6963/dsc0123pk8.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1747/dscf0042lf1.jpg

Bro Jangles
07-12-2008, 01:58 PM
^thats awesome, great pix.