IDF changes it's uniforms to U.S. BDU

[Javehn]

This is pretty old news , but i still decided this news is worth to mention , sence i saw something about it in other forum .

IDF had french camo in it's 50's and 60's (paratroopers used it ) , but because of a lot ID mistakes , it had been changed to one standart olive drap uniformes in the begining of 70's .IDF soldiers had to improvise , and to make up different "camo suits" , "camo hats" , and so on , basicly to stitch new uniforms from different camo nets -sometimes soldiers even compete who had it best made !! .
Camo uniformes got to IDF warehouses again after 90's first gulf war , when U.S. army decided to sell it's used in war uniformes to IDF . Unfortunatly it stayed in warehouses , and sence the begining of second Intifada the idea has been forgotten , sence many Palestinian combatants , and PA policemen that engaged IDF had camo uniformes (Little irony - PA police had it's camo uniforms from IDF warehouses , a little "gift" along with weapons ) .
After current conflict in Iraq , U.S. army again decided to sell it's used camo uniforms to Israel , and this time IDF decided that soldiers will wear them . Those uniforms comes with restrictions , sence it is very new to IDF soldiers , and to people in Israel -
1)The wearing of uniforms only inside the base , it's forbidden to walk outside of the base with those uniforms .
2)Combatant soldiers will continue to wear old uniforms , while they are on operational duty (too bad for combatant soldiers ... :( ) .


http://grm.m.walla.co.il/archive/43336-4.jpg

http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/ak/ak-1.jpg

http://www.isayeret.com/camo/Laser-1.jpg

[Vance]

Awesome. woot

[army cadet_ngcsu]

Cool

[S'13]

IDF had french camo in it's 50's and 60's (paratroopers used it ) , but because of a lot ID mistakes , it had been changed to one standart olive drap uniformes in the begining of 70's.

My father told me about those...

http://www.ou.org/chagim/yomyerushalayim/4.jpg
Israeli paratroopers hoisting flag in Old City of Jerusalem after liberation

http://www.ou.org/chagim/yomyerushalayim/3.jpg
The Lions Gate

[Javehn]

Just to give more information : - This is an old IDF uniform -

Pants :

http://www.israelmilitary.com/imp/images/bigimg36890.jpg

Shirt ( In you imagination , just add a little writting over left pocket - צהל - "IDF") :

http://www.israelmilitary.com/imp/images/bigimg36894.jpg

Paratroopers shirt (same thing about צהל ) - named "Yerkit" :

http://www.israelmilitary.com/imp/images/bigimg36891.jpg

Pence Belt :

http://www.israelmilitary.com/imp/images/bigimg36279.jpg



Now , to add something , Israel have several sewing workshops , that made pretty much good camo uniforms . But , mostly because of money factor ,IDF bought U.S. BDU that was salled in simbolic prise . So , instead of selling Israeli production to Israeli military , those workshops solled the uniforms abroad , and over seas . Here is a little example of Israeli made Camo uniforms :


http://www.mcaroy.com/middle%20east/entebbeshirt.JPG

http://www.mcaroy.com/middle%20east/idfcomp.JPG

http://www.mcaroy.com/middle%20east/idftag.JPG

http://www.mcaroy.com/middle%20east/troucomp.JPG

[IDFM203]

Yeah I heard about this before.

I think its great, though I am still very partial to those unique IDF camouflage suits, be it the standard IDF reversible woodland/desert camouflage suits (http://www.isayeret.com/camo/gallery.htm) that most combat infantry units get (or in some units only a select few get them) and that they are worn over the standard IDF BDU’s or even those urban camouflage suits (http://www.isayeret.com/camo/urban.htm)
because of the fact that they are reversible and that due to Israel’s small geography but yet its differing terrains, and constant movement of soldiers to different terrains, I think its a nice and a unique thing to have to simply be able to reverse it. Also those suits blend into the terrain much better then mere BDU's

With that said, yeah it’s a good step in the right direction to have these BDU's

To me I still think that those suits should be employed in conjunction with those BDU’s when needed (Like in ambush settings or in other op’s)

Just a quick note to what javhen said, that while yes the IDF has had these BDU’s for years and that most of them were in storage, not all of them were there.

I remember my unit (and I am sure others as well) using them in training in enemy simulations. Simply in that it was another BDU color that was different than ours.

So they were not completely without use :D

But hey now with these BDU’s in all of the IDF, instead of having ID mistakes like the paratroopers had in the 50’s and 60’s, we’ll now have it in the next war against Jordan ;) ;) , whose whole military is almost a exact replica (not in scale or scope of it but in the same style) of the U.S., from their hummers to their BDU’s which are American design.

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

Just a quick note to what javhen said, that while yes the IDF has had these BDU’s for years and that most of them were in storage, not all of them were there.

I remember my unit (and I am sure others as well) using them in training in enemy simulations. Simply in that it was another BDU color that was different than ours.

So they were not completely without use

Yes , indeed , i was just about to write that :) . It was used in many units , in order to simulate enemy forces for most , and for some other things .

Now in my unit , it was used in very cinical way . It was used as rags for tank maintanance . :| I once found perfect new U.S. BDU uniform set in weapons cleaning spot as cleaning rags . I was all shocked and outraged , and sence it fitted my size perfectly , i tooked the pence and shirt to my custody ;) .

[mustamato]

Well, the green IDF soldiers have been very "Israeli" when seen on TV or such. I think I have even seen palestinian gunmen with american woodland, and I sure as hell know that Hezbollah is often seen with american woodland BDU´s.

Outside US, woodland is the poor mans uniform that can´t afford anything else. Why can´t the Israelis just adopt some own camouflage that makes them look like Israelis and not cheap copies? And for the safety of their own troops I guess it´s good to not look like the enemy (if they now in the future will be used operationally).

[Javehn]

Why ? My previous quote :

"Now , to add something , Israel have several sewing workshops , that made pretty much good camo uniforms . But , mostly because of money factor ,IDF bought U.S. BDU that was salled in simbolic prise . So , instead of selling Israeli production to Israeli military , those workshops solled the uniforms abroad , and over seas . Here is a little example of Israeli made Camo uniforms : ..."

$$$ Rule the world ...
And also , if we got it , why not use it ?

[IDFM203]

Why can´t the Israelis just adopt some own camouflage that makes them look like Israelis and not cheap copies? And for the safety of their own troops I guess it´s good to not look like the enemy. for once I agree with you ;)

Well listen first the IDF does have those Israeli made camo suits which are very good.

But yeah Israel should make them and defiantly has the ability to do so, but like javhen said, its cheaper to get it from the U.S. due to the U.S. selling their old surplus for a very cheap price.

So to sum up its a financial decision and nothing more.

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

Yes , just to add something :

IDF replacing it's old helmets with U.S. PasGT helmets , and purchasing U.S. knee-pads . That would make IDF soldiers look almost like U.S. troops . Hmm , interesting . Or perhaps more like British soldiers , with Tabor on the hands .

[IDFM203]

Yes , just to add something :

IDF replacing it's old helmets with U.S. PasGT helmets , . it’s a step up from the older IDF helmets, which weren’t the best, though I wish the IDF gave out those better Israeli “attack” helmets (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4704&highlight=rabintex) to all combat units instead of just to a select few………..oh well I guess unfortunately financial considerations come first (it’s a lot cheaper to get those U.S. surplus helmets)…………….I mean besides those “attack” helmets, that same company makes their own PASGT Helmet (http://www.rabintex.com/helmets.htm) as well.

But I guess they are just for the export market :(


and purchasing U.S. knee-pads . . now this is a huge improvement :D , for the IDF ones in the past, weren’t very good.




That would make IDF soldiers look almost like U.S. troops . Hmm , interesting . Or perhaps more like British soldiers , with Tabor on the hands . Believe me even with all this new U.S. gear, with our ability to add or modify everything that we have, or as one brit poster wrote something like this before “The Israelis are the Masters Of the combat Warry look” we wont be confused for anyone else ;)

So even without the Tavor, we wont be confused for other soldiers of other nations.

Shalom :D

[volfram]

What israeli uniforms producers say about replacing israeli bdu by american.I know when we received germans leopards for free our military industry was not very happy.Thats why negotiations with germans last so long/about 4 years/.

[California Joe]

warry is cool. ;)

[Fox2]

I always admired and was fond of the Israeli "worn" look. :D

Things like the "old" CAR15s, with Elbit reflex sights "taped on." :lol:

I think it adds character to the look :D

[One?]

thats a sad article :(

The OD bdus and all the fancy "custom" made stuff gave the IDF character. Now changing into a US look is just sad.

if you don't want your old gear I'll buy it :lol:

[Retard]

This image doesn't show U.S. Government issue BDU's. It is the woodland pattern camo, but not U.S. surplus.
http://www.isayeret.com/camo/Laser-1.jpg

Check the pockets on real trousers (blouse also doesn't have a draw string):
http://www.armynavysuperstores.com/usedbdupants.jpg

[flickme]

I thought the IDF was wearing OD jump suits.

[IDFM203]

thats a sad article :(

The OD bdus and all the fancy "custom" made stuff gave the IDF character. Now changing into a US look is just sad. I feel your agoney over this ;) though there is no need to get that dramatic my Lebanese friend :D

Listen like I said before, the IDF “custom” character will remain fully intact!!

All the IDF is getting are new BDU’s and new helmets………with the BDU’s, there is still going to be those unique IDF camo suits that will go over them.

As for the helmets, believe me, you wont be able to recognize that it’s a U.S. helmet after all the add on’s of material (not to mention the “Mitz'nefet” (http://www.isayeret.com/camo/cover.htm) that will at times go over the helmet) that will go on it.

Listen except for the American style BDU’s, the IDF still will be with its very good Israeli made vests (which you like so much :D ) and with the new Israeli Tavor (or even with the M4, though its with all the Israeli add on's to it) the IDF's unique character will still remain strong.


I remember in my time, there was not a single piece of gear in which we did not modify in someway, either individually ourselves (by the end of basic training, everyone knew how to sew), or it came modified already from IDF warehouses.



If you don't want your old gear I'll buy it :lol: Yeah if it was only you then perhaps, but I am a bit leery of you passing it on to your “friends” back in Lebanon ;)

Shalom :D

[One?]

You had to modify the kit, because it was made out of ****ty material (or so I read). Also the need for a camo suite will be eliminated. So you will be left with the mitznefet and vests.


Yeah if it was only you then perhaps, but I am a bit leery of you passing it on to your “friends” back in Lebanon

If by friends you mean "hezbollah" :roll: they have IDF Bdus, small arms etc.. And if you switched to new camo whats the point of them using old IDF uniforms. They already use woodland. And if I realy wanted to pass these things to them, I wouldn't be here debating with you people. I would pretend I'm israeli or something.

Now give me a helmet ( i realy don't feel like paying 200$ for one) please.


Edit:

I was dramatic because everyone wants to be a 1337 deltaforcenavysealspecialforce american. Almost half the world wears woodland.

[IDFM203]

You had to modify the kit, because it was made out of ****ty material (or so I read). . you mean the U.S. stuff? ;)

Listen when I say modify, yes some was made of weaker material and as such we modify it but also modify is to add, in that a lot of stuff we add different details to it to suit our needs.

So it’s not only a question of ****ty material



Also the need for a camo suite will be eliminated. . how so??

Those IDF camo suits blend into terrain and disrupt the outline much better then BDU’s

Lets not forget that those suits are worn OVER the BDU’s so it makes no difference what the BDU are.

Believe me those camo suits will remain in use for ambush settings or other types of operations.



So you will be left with the mitznefet and vests. . ….and the Israeli Tavor and the M4 with all the Israeli add on’s in materials to various parts.

Also the U.S. helmet will come plain without their helmet cover, and there too it will be a IDF helmet cover or ones that individual soldiers make for it. (When I say helmet cover here I do NOT mean the mitznefet, for that is something else that goes over all this)


So no, the real way to look at it is that besides the BDU’s. Everything else will still have the strong unique IDF character and look (“battle warry”) to it :D



Yeah if it was only you then perhaps, but I am a bit leery of you passing it on to your “friends” back in Lebanon

If by friends you mean "hezbollah" :roll: they have IDF Bdus, small arms etc.. . well escept for a few pics, most of them have ak’s and not M16’s

As for BDU’s again most don’t have Israeli BDU’s but even if they do they don’t have those camo suits.



And if you switched to new camo whats the point of them using old IDF uniforms. They already use woodland. .listen I know this might shock you but these decisions don’t at all have hetballh in mind ;) . I mean Israel has a lot more enemies that it might fight besides hetbblah ;)

It has nothing to do with the IDF facing hetbllah or anything like that but rather with the IDF getting cheap surplus BDU’s that are a bit better then the standard OD BDU”s that the IDF has been using since the 70’s



. I would pretend I'm israeli or something. . hehe, yeah I never thought of that, hey you think Javhen is really Lebanese ;)




Now give me a helmet ( i realy don't feel like paying 200$ for one) please. lets make a deal, you give me a air soft gun that you have and you can get your IDF helmet ;)




I was dramatic because everyone wants to be a 1337 deltaforcenavysealspecialforce american. Almost half the world wears woodland. Listen I hear you and if that were the case I’d be as dramatic as you are, but its not the case…believe me no one in the IDF is going for the U.S. look nor does anyone even try for it, we very much like our unique Israeli “warry” look just fine! :D (No offense to the U.S. members here or their “look” supports ;) )

Again even with the new BDU’s. it will still have its Israeli charactor to it in many ways.

So no need to worry :D

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

This image doesn't show U.S. Government issue BDU's. It is the woodland pattern camo, but not U.S. surplus.

Indeed , this image taken from Isayeret , showing man from special unit , they had they own camo in they warehouses long before the U.S. BDU , made mostly by Israeli textil firms .



Also the U.S. helmet will come plain without their helmet cover, and there too it will be a IDF helmet cover or ones that individual soldiers make for it. (When I say helmet cover here I do NOT mean the mitznefet, for that is something else that goes over all this)

You mean this helmet cover ? It's allready been replaced with US made helmet covers something like 4 month ago , more or less , in combatant units .

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:y7A2aDwI7voJ:www.isayeret.com/gear/helmet/2.jpg


To this :
http://www.imsplus.com/images/3desert_cover.jpg


hehe, yeah I never thought of that, hey you think Javhen is really Lebanese ;)

What what what what what ???

[IDFM203]

You mean this helmet cover ? It's allready been replaced with US made helmet covers something like 4 month ago , more or less , in combatant units . are you sure?? And even so, a lot of soldier’s remove them (I have already seen that) and put on their own “shiftzurim” (loose translation…amendments) to it.

A lot of soldiers sew on black materiel or other types material and colors just like on the older helmets.


"hehe, yeah I never thought of that, hey you think Javhen is really Lebanese ;) "

What what what what what ??? hehe it was just a joke :D

“one” said that he could have pretended he was Israeli on this forum if he rally wanted Israeli stuff so I said hey I never thought of that and jokingly, perhaps you were doing what he said ;)

It’s all in good fun my friend :hug:

Shalom :D

[One?]

IDF203:
no matter what you do with your unifrom you will still look like a modified US soldeir.

If you want an airsoft gun for a helmet that wouldnt be a good deal :(. 500$ for a 200$ helmet. I guess I have to steal one from the surplus store.

[IDFM203]

IDF203:
no matter what you do with your unifrom you will still look like a modified US soldeir. .considering that the U.S. military is the best equipped military in the world, to be a modified (“better”) version of that is not something to be ashamed about ;)

Hell we use american M4’s and M16’s and some American apc’s but as you know our M4’s, M16’s and apc’s and other U.S. gear doesn’t quite look like the ones that U.S. soldiers have, simply because of all the IDF practical add on’s that IDF soldiers add to it, that add the IDF character to it.

Nothings going to change, especially with the new Tavor coming in :D

But I appreciate your concern ;)


If you want an airsoft gun for a helmet that wouldnt be a good deal :(. 500$ for a 200$ helmet. I guess I have to steal one from the surplus store. hey buddy, my helmet comes with my autographed signature. That’s gotta bump up the value of it considerably ;) :D

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

no matter what you do with your unifrom you will still look like a modified US soldeir.

Who said that looking like modified US soldier is bad ? It's a fact they they do have the most advance army in the world (perhaps not , but at list technologicly speaking ) . And we do carry our own funky shick , thank you very much !
I just got live update,that IDF combatant soldiers will recieve new type of uniforms , that is the same one color olive type , but much better advanced uniforms .

P.S : I have autographed boxers , i am shure i can sell it as Airsoft thingy .

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I think I have asked this question before but does anyone export these mesh suits, or is their a site that gives a bit more detail on them, they look easy to make and I am a good hand with a needle, I think they would be ideal camo for shooting roosting pigeons :)

[One?]

Nothing is wrong with having US gear, its definatly the best out there. But it sucks to seeing all armies look the same. But then again im not a soldeir so I don't know what you guys need for combat.

Javehn: only if the boxers are clean.

[IDFM203]

I think I have asked this question before but does anyone export these mesh suits, or is their a site that gives a bit more detail on them, yes apparently they are for export.

One of the Israeli’s members on this forum I believe said that he saw it displayed at some foreign arms show.

Perhaps at the AUSA show in the U.S. though I could be wrong about that.

There are a few compnies that makes them (each with vareying and different designs).

Here are two that I know, of though there can be more.

http://www.fibrotex.net/
http://www.marom-dolphin.co.il/



they look easy to make and I am a good hand with a needle, That’s part of the ingenuity of these suits is that they are in fact easy to make and yet they are still highly effective.

In fact a lot of individual soldiers do make them.

Also besides those companies making them for the IDF, certain units have their own “sewing shops” that make them for their individual units to where they adapt it for that particular units specific needs.

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

Javehn: only if the boxers are clean.

:(

I actually preffer Russian uniforms , they one colored uniform is the kick ass (with the stripe shirt) . They have also awesome Kirzay boots , even if it is foot menace .

[IDFM203]

Javehn: only if the boxers are clean.

:(

I actually preffer Russian uniforms , they one colored uniform is the kick ass (with the stripe shirt) . I must respectfully disagree with you here but I guess its to be kind of expected for a IDF tankers out look on personal gear in the IDF is not the same as a combat infantry soldiers outlook on it simply due to the fact that the IDF has more invested in personal gear to a combat infantry soldier, then what a tanker gets (obviously excluding the tank that he gets ;) )

P.S. also your Russian as well (as you have made clear on this site), so I can understand your partiality to Russian gear and those stripped shirts.

Shalom :D

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Thanks IDFM203 :D

[Javehn]

I must respectfully disagree with you here but I guess its to be kind of expected for a IDF tankers out look on personal gear in the IDF is not the same as a combat infantry soldiers outlook on it simply due to the fact that the IDF has more invested in personal gear to a combat infantry soldier, then what a tanker gets (obviously excluding the tank that he gets )


Now you did it . You don't want to mess with us--

http://www.homestead.com/shiryon/files/blast_armour_crew.jpg

We are just so cool !!And we rule the ground ...

[IDFM203]

Thanks IDFM203 :D Your welcome :D

Man these companies should be giving me a commission for all of this ;)


To Javhen, believe me I can go on with this (as you know very well ;) ), but after seeing the U.S. Marines vs Army thread or that last Canadian thread, I think its best to leave the inter service rivalries out of a public international forum.

Move it to the PM level.

Shalom :D

[Javehn]

Just kiddin , dude . :( I thought you would appreciate the picture ...
How about that one ? -

Everybody working together (gunner identifing the target , shoots round , and infantry guy near the cannon .... ) --
http://heavymetal.ww2mm.com/CLpassage/PB260026.JPG

Those tankers shure do have pretty cool uniforms
http://heavymetal.ww2mm.com/cmt55figs/DSCN3176.psd.jpg

[OldRecon]

As for confusing your own with the enemy, there was a recent documentary on the effects of the combat experience on the human, where one IDF veteran of the '82 invasion of Lebanon was interwieved.
One of the main stories he told was about when he and several others of his unit was having a rest shortly "behind the frontline" in Beyruth.
Well along comes 2 other guys in OD fatigues with weapons slung on their backs and sit down and have a fag among the rest of the group allready there.
Well then those 2 guys suddenly realise that "hey those other guys aren't Syrian, they are Israelis!" rofl.
And hadn't those Syrians not lost their heads and become aggravated, rather than just walk off quietly, as the story was told, there's a good chance those 2 guys could have got away with it without the others even noticing what had happened.
Instead as the story was told, they flipped and thus brought attention to themselves with fatal results for themselves :(.

[Javehn]

Well , friendly ID is an old problem in war . There is a story about one Israeli T55 tank , that was lost from his colomn during 1973 war . Soon he found out tank T55 column , and joined after last one . After a bit of driving , he started to suspect that something is fishy . He started to look closely to a tank that drove 5 metters infront of him , and saw that this is Syran T55 ! He engaged the column , and the column didn't resisted , they were to confused about the origin of fire .

[OldRecon]

Personally I think the woodland pattern of camouflage is rather crap.
The colours contrast too much.
As for the field uniform I used during my days with the Norwegian army, I were always amazed by the camouflage properties in the colours of that uniform. Even with regards to the variant of green used in the mono coloured field trousers.
That uniform really blends in in a way the more common Woodland or DPM don't.
In fact I haven't found many other field uniforms in use by other armed forces with the same capability of blending in as the Norwegian one.
Even though nowdays it contains patches of gray that somewhat spoils the visual cammo effect of the original version of the uniform. Though this grey colour is said to have camouflage effects in the IR-spectrum.

[Javehn]

Can you please bring picture of Norwegian camo ? I personally now that the best type of camo , is the one that make "blurish" in the eyes - computerized camo pattern . And also one colored uniforms are preffered then multiply colors camo with bright colors .