who would you vote for as an American or non american

[Luxembourger]

as a non american I would vote for Clark
if clark does not win the primaries I would vote for Bush woot

[NcDeuce]

My first ever chance at voting...

And I will be voting for George W. Bush.

In the future, I am hoping for either Colin Powell or Bill Frist to run for office.

[UkrainianAmerican]

my first vote will be for Dubya. The second, hopefully for Rumsfeld or Condi Rice.

[mustamato]

John Kerry.

[ChuckThunder]

as a non american I would vote for Clark
if clark does not win the primaries I would vote for Bush woot

As an American I would vote for Clark if he wins a place on the ballot. If not, Bush.

[UkrainianAmerican]

In my opinion Clark doesnt know how to deal with terrorism. Hes a Cold Warrior and nothing else. He can take on Conventional Serbia, but when it come to asymmetrical warfare hes no more experienced then any other candidates.

[George W. Bush]

sigh

[Haiw]

In my opinion Clark doesnt know how to deal with terrorism. Hes a Cold Warrior and nothing else. He can take on Conventional Serbia, but when it come to asymmetrical warfare hes no more experienced then any other candidates.
Which is why our experienced armed forces veteran Dubya is just the man for the job with his impressing military carreer! p-)

I'd vote for Bill Clinton. Then at least you'd have a president that gets laid. ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

In my opinion Clark doesnt know how to deal with terrorism. Hes a Cold Warrior and nothing else. He can take on Conventional Serbia, but when it come to asymmetrical warfare hes no more experienced then any other candidates.
Which is why our experienced armed forces veteran Dubya is just the man for the job with his impressing military carreer! p-)

I'd vote for Bill Clinton. Then at least you'd have a president that gets laid. ;)
Bush is more flexible and less arrogant. Thts why he lets Rummy do the military thinking for him :D
P.S. as for clinton its more like:
"Then at least you'd have a president that gets head from an overweight slut."

[Haiw]

Bush is more flexible and less arrogant. Thts why he lets Rummy do the military thinking for him :D
P.S. as for clinton its more like:
"Then at least you'd have a president that gets head from an overweight slut."
I can't really agree with the first part...to me Bush appears more like the 'my way or the highway guy' and he only lets the rest fill in the details... Oh and does it really matter that she's an overweight slut when he's getting head? ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Bush is more flexible and less arrogant. Thts why he lets Rummy do the military thinking for him :D
P.S. as for clinton its more like:
"Then at least you'd have a president that gets head from an overweight slut."
I can't really agree with the first part...to me Bush appears more like the 'my way or the highway guy' and he only lets the rest fill in the details... Oh and does it really matter that she's an overweight slut when he's getting head? ;)
First part:
My way or the highway applies to outsiders, not to his cabinet.
Besides, head or no head, overweight slut is an overweight slut.

[German_American]

If you know anything about Clark you know he flip flops around on every subject and will say or do anything for a vote. First hes for the war in Iraq then hes not and then says he never supported the war in the first place. We don't need that in the white house. Hes Clintons puppet anyways, they know he will loose against Bush so they want to support him. Hell they need the ticket free for 2008 so Hillary can run. God help us all! :fork: My vote goes to the GOP and Bush

[Dennis G]

I think I am going to vote Bush but I like Kerry.









hey look at this photo







http://www.cgnetworks.com/stories/2003_12/chrissloane/header01.jpg

[Beowulf]

Dubya

[Seoulstriker]

to the people who would have voted for clark:

are you aware that he was a republican until a few months ago? that he flip-flopped on teh iraqi war issue? that he LIES to cover up what he said before? that he lies about what the president said in a state of the union address?

[German_American]

My point exactly

[mocking_loudly_died]

Donald Duck or Dean.

Now who doesn't want to see the outcome of those amusing characters running the USA?

[Dennis G]

Clark: Michael Moore a 'Man of Conscience'




Clark: Michael Moore a 'Man of Conscience'

Eight days after his most prominent supporter falsely accused President Bush of being a military "deserter," Gen. Wesley Clark again declined an opportunity to condemn the bogus charge, maintaining, as he has since Thursday, that he hasn't examined the allegation.

Asked Sunday whether he knew of "any evidence" to support the accusation leveled by radical filmmaker Michael Moore, who called President Bush "a deserter" last Saturday as Clark looked on, the former NATO commander told "Meet the Press," "Well, I've never looked into those ... those allegations."

Clark's protestations of ignorance come despite the fact that the Boston Globe, the newspaper that originally reported that Bush had missed a full year of National Guard service in the 1970s, said Friday:

"News reports, including some in the Globe, have questioned Bush's constancy as a National Guard airman at the time, but he has not been credibly accused of desertion, a serious charge. Clark should have distanced himself from the remark."

Moore still cites the original May 2000 Globe report on his Web site to defend his Bush "desertion" charge, though the New York Times discovered later that year that the Globe missed evidence that proved its original report was false.

Still, despite his key backer's disingenuousness, Gen. Clark told "Meet the Press," "I will tell you this about Michael Moore. I think he's a man of conscience. I think he's done a lot of great things for ordinary people, working people across America. And I'm very happy to have his support."

Ever since the Moore flap erupted after Thursday night's debate, Gen. Clark's support in the New Hampshire primary has been dropping like a rock, plummeting 9 points in just three days, according to a Gallup survey released Saturday.

[Nizark]

If you know anything about Clark you know he flip flops around on every subject and will say or do anything for a vote. First hes for the war in Iraq then hes not and then says he never supported the war in the first place. We don't need that in the white house.

So then I guess you would call Clark a....dare I say...politican?

[George W. Bush]

I'll be voting for Junior Dubya. The lesser of the two evils. Again.

Damnit this country is going down the toilet when I have to vote for Bush.

[Fox2]

G.W. for me.




But I'm good for Dean if he authorizes a "Ring of the Union" wrestling match every month or so. All the White House staff, etc...

[StarvingStudent47]

John Kerry.

[Jack Mehoff]

Al Sharpton

[cut]

I'm abstaining, there all bloody americans ;)

[German_American]

Bush is a politican and he stands by his support for the war and many of his policies. Call him a deserter but Clinton dodged the draft. Kerry went to war even though he disagreed with it.

[German_American]

O yeah, and cut why do hate The United States so much, just wondering. As an American I love England and visit often I don't understand why anyone from either nation would hate eachother having such a close relationship.

[cut]

O yeah, and cut why do hate The United States so much, just wondering. As an American I love England and visit often I don't understand why anyone from either nation would hate eachother having such a close relationship.

I'm only pissing about (hence the smiley) no need to get offended.

[German_American]

No offense taken sir, I hear the Anti-American crap a lot. I don't want to start a whole thing I just notice throughout the threads you have a bitter taste toward Americans and just wondered why. Whatever, have a good day :P

[flickme]

If i could vote i would vote for George W. Bush.

[DE_Six]

***First off, since I will not vote this november, all of this is purely rethorical. It's not like I have a say about the outcome of the 2004 elections.***

I'm following the campaign closely, it's getting real interesting. As a non-American, I'd say Clark. I won't go into details, but I find him a sensible candidate. Y'all have a right to disagree.
My biggest gripe, funny, come from his supporters. I HATE Michael Moore, he's a total a**, a joke, and BTW, Bowling for Columbine was a mockery of documentary cinema. And Madonna runs on my nerves, so...
I like the man, I like his ideas, and to the critics who comment on his "lack" of consistency, well, only idiots never change their minds. p-) And all politicians do it at a point, so...

But I'm not anti-Dubya. There are things he did I agree with, and others I don't. I don't think he was a bad president at all. I won't attack him on the economy, like many do, but I'd mention he's a big spender for a republican...

If he was still running, I'd vote for John McCain.

[SFontaine]

I'd vote for Bush. Now tha'ts a man of conscience

[papasmerf]

Arnold.

[Jack Mehoff]

Arnold.

Negative

[usa320]

Bush.

Though Bush vs. Kerry will be a tight race, but in the end bush will win. He is a thinking man, he is running on policy and strategy. Sharpton, Dean and to a lesser extent Kerry are running merely on hate for Bush. I think Dean showed the other day with his little outburst that people need to expect more froma candidate than mere hate for another.

As for Clark, yall do know he nerely started a firefight with the Russians in Yuogoslavia right?

[Seiyuuki]

George W. Bush

Considering the alternatives *shudder*

[mustamato]

Bush.

Though Bush vs. Kerry will be a tight race, but in the end bush will win. He is a thinking man, he is running on policy and strategy. Sharpton, Dean and to a lesser extent Kerry are running merely on hate for Bush. I think Dean showed the other day with his little outburst that people need to expect more froma candidate than mere hate for another.

As for Clark, yall do know he nerely started a firefight with the Russians in Yuogoslavia right?

I think the rest of the world has not seen that side of Bush yet. Some people think that he is brighter than he appears to be. That he´s just "playing dumb". But he is usually described and/or portraied in a way were he looks like a monkey and so forth:

http://www.zetterling.se/satires/sat_152.jpg

http://www.zetterling.se/mainpcs/weekpic.jpg

[Ballistic]

Going by what I've read on this forum and seen on the national news here in Australia, I would most definately vote for President Bush. Elections are going to be held here in Australia soonish aswell. I can only hope that the Liberal/National Party under PM John Howard continue to lead our nation. I shudder to think what this country would turn into should Mark Latham and the Labor Party win.

Best of luck to President Bush.

[James]

I will not be voting for GWB. I don't know who I will vote for, but I will not vote for Bush.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

My vote will definetly be for Bush, he is an awesome President. He has done very well on the War on Terrorism. Our country has not been attacked on our soil since 9/11 and he's overseen 2 amazing wars. The economy is really starting to turn around despite the crash after 9/11 and corporate scandals. He stands by what he believes and loves the troops and what the do for the country.

I hope his brother runs once W is done with his 2nd term.

[James]

Perhaps "amazing" shouldn't be used as an adjective to describe war. Just a thought.

[Fox2]

I hope his brother runs once W is done with his 2nd term.

Oh God no! Please, do not say such terrible things! :lol:

He's my governor. And let me tell you, his education plan is not great :(

He's changed our education system so that it is test-centered, meaning kids graduate from school knowing FACTS, but without any real knowledge. They study for the small bits and pieces of history or science that are applicable to the test.

Basically a diploma today just says "I can circle the dots real well."

Hehe, sorry for the rant.

But uh, yeah...George Dubya all the way! :D

[Fox2]

Bush.

Though Bush vs. Kerry will be a tight race, but in the end bush will win. He is a thinking man, he is running on policy and strategy. Sharpton, Dean and to a lesser extent Kerry are running merely on hate for Bush. I think Dean showed the other day with his little outburst that people need to expect more froma candidate than mere hate for another.

As for Clark, yall do know he nerely started a firefight with the Russians in Yuogoslavia right?

I think the rest of the world has not seen that side of Bush yet. Some people think that he is brighter than he appears to be. That he´s just "playing dumb". But he is usually described and/or portraied in a way were he looks like a monkey and so forth:

http://www.zetterling.se/satires/sat_152.jpg

http://www.zetterling.se/mainpcs/weekpic.jpg


You know, everyone says he's a cowboy...

Doesn't anyone remember when we were kids...When cowboys were our heroes? :P

The Lone Ranger, John Wayne, Billy the Kid, etc.

Heck, Ronald Reagan even played as a cowboy in movies and he was a pretty darn good president, I think.

Cowboys represent good moral values; hard work, courage, steadfastness, character, integrity, knowing right from wrong.

Does anyone else see "cowboy" as more of a compliment than an insult? ;)


And if he's really got an IQ of 120-something as Newsweek claims, then he has an above-average intelligence quota. Average is said to be around 90-100.

The reason people think he is "stupid," is not because he is stupid. He has dyslexia. And for the ignorant among you, no, that is not synonymous with mental retardation.

Anyway, just my take on the "dumb Cowboy" image. :P

[marktigger]

is their an independant running?

[Dennis G]

Al Sharpton

I hope thats a joke

[SFontaine]

Bush made a few verbal mistakes and suddenly he's a moron.

Good but long article here



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/867353/posts
Who is Smarter?

by: Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.



So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:


President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)



Vice President **** Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.



Secretary of State Colin Powell: Was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.



Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77



Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The ****inson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.



National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, *** Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (*** Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, *** laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.



So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:



Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting



Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting



Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting



Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting



Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting



Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting



Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting



Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting



Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting



Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director



Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting



Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting



Mike Farrell Completed High school
Career: Acting



Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne



Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting



While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.



These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.



Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.



So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?



The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!



It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.



Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan...



PEACE through STRENGTH.

[German_American]

I love when people from other nations call Americans cowboys. I love being thought of as a cowboy atleast we arn't a punch of pussys.

[TriggerPuller]

None of these douchebags are worthy of my vote! Clark has got to be the biggest POS since Clinton......oh wait they are friends arent they? What does that tell you and Michael Moore I cant even comment on this POS!!

TP

[Haiw]

So how 'bout we revive Roosevelt then?

[NcDeuce]

Bush made a few verbal mistakes and suddenly he's a moron.

Good but long article here...



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/867353/posts


Great article.


No need to quote that whole thing just to say "great article"
-b

[fred_engles]

SFontaine:
Firstly, the whole point of the article is to convince us to trust Bush & co.'s judgement about the Iraqi WMD; rather than those of their liberal critics.

It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.Well, Bush turned out to be wrong - and the critics right.

Secondly, I'll be the first to admit that some of the Bushies are quite smart (Condoleezza, for example) and that some of Bush's left wing critics are quite stupid (the day I get my political commentary from Angelina Jolie...). However, that does not change the fact that Bush himself - while not being an idiot per se - is a man of very modest intelligence and exceptionally little curiosity or intellectual drive.

Thirdly - I've seen the reactions of a couple college campuses - and both professors and students tend to lean leftward and be against the war in Iraq. There's nothing surprising there (what? college students are liberal? I'll never believe it!) - but it does go to show that if you want leftist or anti-war people with serious academic credentials, I can assure you there's no shortage of that.

[Fox2]

Thirdly - I've seen the reactions of a couple college campuses - and both professors and students tend to lean leftward and be against the war in Iraq. There's nothing surprising there (what? college students are liberal? I'll never believe it!) - but it does go to show that if you want leftist or anti-war people with serious academic credentials, I can assure you there's no shortage of that.

I don't think the point of the rebuttal was that there aren't any intelligent anti-war folks out there. No one is debating that. The point is that Bush is NOT stupid by any means. He made some grammar slip-ups. Big deal. The man has a learning disability. I for one, have family with learning disabilities, and think it's a great, great encouragement for them to see that being dyslexic or having any other learning disability is not a hindrance to one's greatness or influence.

[Beowulf]

Bush himself - while not being an idiot per se - is a man of very modest intelligence and exceptionally little curiosity or intellectual drive
How do you know that. I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing, but how do you come to make that determination. Compared to whom? It just strikes me as odd that you can make these definitive judgements about someone whom you have never met.

A better analysis would be something like "bush doesn't seem intelligent b/c: etc. etc."

On another note. Clark has some problems.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/22/235131.shtml

Clinton and Moore....this man chooses the worst possible supporters if he hopes to sway any moderates to vote for him. I think he's a polsemoker anyway....

[UkrainianAmerican]

Bush.

Though Bush vs. Kerry will be a tight race, but in the end bush will win. He is a thinking man, he is running on policy and strategy. Sharpton, Dean and to a lesser extent Kerry are running merely on hate for Bush. I think Dean showed the other day with his little outburst that people need to expect more froma candidate than mere hate for another.

As for Clark, yall do know he nerely started a firefight with the Russians in Yuogoslavia right?

I think the rest of the world has not seen that side of Bush yet. Some people think that he is brighter than he appears to be. That he´s just "playing dumb". But he is usually described and/or portraied in a way were he looks like a monkey and so forth:

http://www.zetterling.se/satires/sat_152.jpg

http://www.zetterling.se/mainpcs/weekpic.jpg


You know, everyone says he's a cowboy...

Doesn't anyone remember when we were kids...When cowboys were our heroes? :P

The Lone Ranger, John Wayne, Billy the Kid, etc.

Heck, Ronald Reagan even played as a cowboy in movies and he was a pretty darn good president, I think.

Cowboys represent good moral values; hard work, courage, steadfastness, character, integrity, knowing right from wrong.

Does anyone else see "cowboy" as more of a compliment than an insult? ;)


And if he's really got an IQ of 120-something as Newsweek claims, then he has an above-average intelligence quota. Average is said to be around 90-100.

The reason people think he is "stupid," is not because he is stupid. He has dyslexia. And for the ignorant among you, no, that is not synonymous with mental retardation.

Anyway, just my take on the "dumb Cowboy" image. :P
I agree COMPLETELY with your assessment of the cowboy image. I never understood why it was used as a 'diss' in the first place.

[fred_engles]

How do you know that. I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing, but how do you come to make that determination. Compared to whom? It just strikes me as odd that you can make these definitive judgements about someone whom you have never met.

A better analysis would be something like "bush doesn't seem intelligent b/c: etc. etc."Well, you're right, but the fact that this is my subjective impression (and that of many others) is clearly implied. For all I know, he might be a genius who just acts as though he's nothing of the sort - heck, maybe when he's away from journalists and the white house staff, he solves differential equations for fun, and then writes long scholarly theses on the history of Korean poetry. But I think that unlikely. I can only judge from the evidence I have, but Bush has been in the limelight long enough, and I've paid close enough attention, that I feel I can make a fairly accurate judgement (your milage, of course, may vary).

As far as Clark/Moore is concerned, I'm not really a big fan of either (although I stand by my belief that Clark would make a superb VP, and that Roger & Me was actually a really good film). However, Moore accusing Bush of being a deserter is at least partially justified (http://tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=chait012604).

[hank]

I'm with B on W being stupid. Let's not foget that he went to Yale and graduated. Whatever your opinions about the ivy league and the Bush family history and all, Yale is not in the business of graduating idiots. Just a thought. W probably deserves the benefit of the doubt on intelligence. I'll vote for W.

Somebody asked about independents. Lyndon LaRouche is not an independent but if your looking for a darkhorse he is on the ballot in TN for sure. There was another off the wall candidate on the ballot that got printed in the paper here in TN a couple of weeks ago. I'll try to find it.

hank

[Sierra]

as am American, I would vote for Bush

[Haiw]

I'd vote for a sane candidate.

So I'd stay home and not vote at all...

[Fox2]

I'd vote for a sane candidate.

So I'd stay home and not vote at all...

I know this woman who writes herself into the ballot each election. Just sayin'.

[budanski]

Bush an idiot?

The Dems, including Ann Richards, Al Gore, John McCain (psuedo dem/rhino), etc,etc etc. People all outsmarted and/or beaten by "W".

I've always been told a great leader knew/recognizes his weaknesses and would pick the right people to fill in where he lacks. Find me another team that can go toe to toe with Bush's All-Star Cabinet.

Critics of Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan mocked their intelligence, too, yet each was elected to two terms.

[Salty Dog]

john kerry will have my vote.

[Trigger]

George W. Bush will have my vote.

[Seiyuuki]

So how 'bout we revive Roosevelt then?

Which one? If it is Teddy Roosevelt...I'm all game!!!

[Shadow]

DEAN FOR PRESIDENT

[Haiw]

So how 'bout we revive Roosevelt then?

Which one? If it is Teddy Roosevelt...I'm all game!!!
You mean there's several Roosevelts? Uhhh...crap.

[TriggerPuller]

[quote=Haiw]So how 'bout we revive Roosevelt then?

Which one? If it is Teddy Roosevelt...I'm all game!!!
You mean there's several Roosevelts? [quote]Duh!! :D
There were 2 US Presidents named Roosevelt. Theodore(Teddy) was first and in the 30-40's it was FDR(Franklin Delano Roosevelt).

TP

[Haiw]

Okay I was talking about the limping one who walks softly with a big stick... :D

[Tengu]

as a non-american; Bush. He still pisses me off with the gay marriage (its legal over here btw) and no *** before marriage is just plane stupid.

[TriggerPuller]

Okay I was talking about the limping one who walks softly with a big stick... :DThe one in a wheelchair,polio I believe, was FDR!

TP

[Haiw]

I know, I was just trying to show off my superduper knowledge of FDR's quotes and his childhood disease... ;)

[TriggerPuller]

as a non-american; Bush. He still pisses me off with the gay marriage (its legal over here btw) and no *** before marriage is just plane stupid.Nice powers of reasoning! Thank god you are not American!

TP

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Dubya.

Hope to see Bill Bennet or Condie Rice run next time. Too bad Thatcher is a Brit & about 80...I'd vote for her too.

[Resevoir Hogs]

George W Bush all the way!!!! woot

[Tengu]

as a non-american; Bush. He still pisses me off with the gay marriage (its legal over here btw) and no *** before marriage is just plane stupid.Nice powers of reasoning! Thank god you are not American!

TPWhat do you mean?? Sry 4 asking, i'm not an american so i'm a bit slow in the head :roll:

[Jack Mehoff]

as a non-american; Bush. He still pisses me off with the gay marriage (its legal over here btw) and no *** before marriage is just plane stupid.

I thought Mass was the only state legalized gay marriage. I don't think Bush has any say in that issue.

[Haiw]

Well your reasoning doesn't make sense... First you says he pisses you off with gay marriage (something he's against) and then you say 'no *** before marriage is just plane stupid' (although it's not in his program, if anyone would say it it would be him)....and then you say you'd vote Bush.

[Loco]

Reading american answers I´m a bit surprised, since I thought that main american electors concers were domestic subjects, but I see many here consider international policiy is a big subject for choosing a candidate, perhaps is the nature of this forum in which members are more interested in international affairs, I don´t know. And what about economy? Are you happy with G.Bush about his economic policiy? And what about the others?

[Fox2]

Reading american answers I´m a bit surprised, since I thought that main american electors concers were domestic subjects, but I see many here consider international policiy is a big subject for choosing a candidate, perhaps is the nature of this forum in which members are more interested in international affairs, I don´t know. And what about economy? Are you happy with G.Bush about his economic policiy? And what about the others?

Part of the problem with judging Presidents by the current economy is that a president "inherits" the previous economy from his predecessor.

I think that given that we had a major stock market crash in 2001, at the very beginning of GWB's term, due to the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, I think he's done a pretty damned good job of getting the economy back on its feet.

[Jack Mehoff]

Reading american answers I´m a bit surprised, since I thought that main american electors concers were domestic subjects, but I see many here consider international policiy is a big subject for choosing a candidate, perhaps is the nature of this forum in which members are more interested in international affairs, I don´t know. And what about economy? Are you happy with G.Bush about his economic policiy? And what about the others?

I went to other forums and made a same poll like this one. So far most Americans voted for Bush. Of course poll like this is pretty useless but it should give you a good idea

[Tengu]

Well your reasoning doesn't make sense... First you says he pisses you off with gay marriage (something he's against) and then you say 'no *** before marriage is just plane stupid' (although it's not in his program, if anyone would say it it would be him)....and then you say you'd vote Bush.I would vote for him but i am saying he is not perfect.
I know he is against gay marriages and i am for it.
And didn't he recently say he didn't want young people to have *** before marriage to combat ****** disseases??

I would still vote for him because i agree with his international policy.

[16 OBr SpN]

No one.

All politicians are prostitutes.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Argyll]

For those who state that GWB has done a great job on the "War on Terrorism"..........what exactly has been accomplished?have the terrorist activities over the Globe stopped?
What so far has been the cost of the War in Afghanistan,and for that matter in Iraq Financially?
For sure the casualties of AQ and the taliban have been pretty good,according to some quotes,but lets see,in Afghanistan they still grow Opium poppies,which is generaly used to fund........guess what?
The AQ network is still intact,as is its leadership,so far the only success is that there has not been an attack on the CONUS,attacks have still gone on globaly.
The ME on the whole is still steeped in terrorism,State sponsored,and state support are still in effect.The Asian countries such as the The Phillipines still have terror activities ongoing!
it is far too early to say whether there is success or not,and it will take a considerable number of years to accomplish any major goals.As it stands,the only thing accomplished has been the removal of 2 regimes which did not directly pose a threat to the US,and these were done with the aid of Coalitions,they were also against an inferior Miltary machines,but a word of caution it took 30 years for the British government to bring the IRA to the negotiating table,and even at that,there are still splinter groups within that orginisation who have not signed the Good friday agreement!

[Haiw]

No one.

All politicians are prostitutes.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN
To be honest I'd rather have a prostitute in power than Bush! rofl

[Argyll]

I thought they both screwed people for money? ;)

[Haiw]

rofl
True, but with a prostitute it's still fun as long as it lasts unlike politicians...

[oldsoak]

I'd vote for the monster raving loony party :D
- except you dont have on in the states....

[-=TFN=-Karab]

I'd vote for Bush.... These Democrats are a bunch of losers who criticize everyone and promise things they can't live up to. Why can't they prove themselves as good people who can make the right decisions instead of trying to show other people's faults? No one is perfect. I consider it bullying.

"WOW! They must be tough guys! Talking trash about everyone else!!! They must be really really good at their jobs!!! But what are their strengths again???"

I've even heard somebody, I can't remember who, say something like "If I were President, I would have the Al-Qaida gone by now!"

Shut up! I'm sick of dumb statements like these.

[Fox2]

I've even heard somebody, I can't remember who, say something like "If I were President, I would have the Al-Qaida gone by now!"

Wes Clark.

:roll: (at Wes Clark)