Knives, bayonets, multi tools, daggers and other pointy implements.

[Angelino]

I've owned pocket tools made by Leatherman and Gerber. The Gerber is flashier looking, but I prefer the Leatherman. Why? Because I'm a forgetful person and have occasionally tossed my clothes into the washer/dryer with the tool still inside one of the pockets. My leatherman has survived over the years (I still have one of my originals), whereas the Gerber gave up the ghost after the first trip to the dryer (all the blades became loose).
Your mileage may vary, of course.

[Ravage]

Well, I need a small knife for self-defence, so I think that something like that Gerber would do the trick.......

[Irish]

Thanks all, Id say Im sorted.
Cheers!!!
if your in Ireland go to the great out doors for your needs they have a great selection of knives/multitools and military spec bags..

[LoTek]

Hi,

Just got this in:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Lotek65/Stargate%20and%20Airsoft%20Images/M16-12M.jpg

Thank you,

Robert

[DieselPower]

what do we do with it?
can i print out the picture and make a replica?

[RandallH1989]

Congratualtions.

[rangerone]

You're welcome?

[TacoDelRio]

Your welcome, Robert!

[Yeoman]

got the same knife
I love the damn thing, so bloody sharp, cut myself a couple of times with it.
keeps me amused on those long boring nights in the field, and for anything I acutally need to use it for.
I've had it for about six months now, and it's barely gotten any duller then when I bought it.
Greg

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Isnt the CKRT the Taiwanese made knife that is famous for rusting?

The metals commonly used have high carbon content, hard but needs to be regularly maintained.

[LoTek]

The CRKT Knife company is based out of Wilsonville, OR. They do not employ cheap steel and are not based out of China.

Here is a fact sheet on the Steel used in the CRKT knives:

http://www.crkt.com/steelfct.html

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

A lot of folks like these CRKT knives though I am not very keen on the styling which always seems a bit technical for my tastes I have heard the blades are pretty decent. Would not swap it for any one of my two Kershaw “Ken Onions”.

[TacoDelRio]

They are good for the money.

If you have more money, get something better, like a Spyderco. Or a Spyderco. Your choice! :)

[Phazed]

i have the the same one, had a little rust problem, and mine says "made in taiwan" on it

[a deadly fart]

Wow even with the coating you guys managed to get rust on it? I've used my m16 to slice up a pineapple before and it was all nasty and sticky, first thing I did when I got back home that night was to take it apart, clean it with water, and cleaned it with tuffcloth, knife is still in good condition. As for the whole made in Taiwan bit.. Both Spyderco and Benchmade have models made overseas. The main question is whether they are made to the proper specs overseas and is quality control doing their job.

[nextmayor]

Isnt the CKRT the Taiwanese made knife that is famous for rusting?

The metals commonly used have high carbon content, hard but needs to be regularly maintained.

I've got the CRKT M16-10K (Compact EDC). It's all black with a black coated tanto blade. Mine too is marked Taiwan.

However, I couldn't disagree more with the rusting statement. I lost mine last November (2005). Well I found it last weekend sitting in the street right under my mail box. We've had a lot of snow and thaws since then and our roads have been heavily salted. When I found the knife, it operated just fine and still had a great edge on it, but the exterior was a little beat up and there was a little surface rust on the blade. I just wiped the rust off with my hand, gave it a shot of lube, and it's as good as new (just looks a little beat up).

IMO, that's a pretty good knife. It's not the best by any means, but I'm very happy with mine. My biggest gripe about it is the belt / pocket clip. It's held on by the tiniest torques head screws that you've ever seen. I can't even find the right torques bit to fit it. So, I'm force to tighten it every once in a while.

[TacoDelRio]

Wow even with the coating you guys managed to get rust on it? I've used my m16 to slice up a pineapple before and it was all nasty and sticky, first thing I did when I got back home that night was to take it apart, clean it with water, and cleaned it with tuffcloth, knife is still in good condition. As for the whole made in Taiwan bit.. Both Spyderco and Benchmade have models made overseas. The main question is whether they are made to the proper specs overseas and is quality control doing their job.

Most Spyderco's are Japanese. Seki makes fantastic blades. I enjoy the quality of Japanese steel and knives. Therefore, I find no fault with Spyderco having Japanese knives!

I've never seen a QC (Quality Control) problem with a Spyderco. The only problems are form the clips on earlier FRN (Fiber-Reinforced Nylon) models (plastic scales/grips/handles) breaking off.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

:-*$ :fork:

Any Military Standard Issue Knives Pics to share?

I will post my country's so called Jack knife soon... when i figure out this file transfer thinggy...you guys will laugh your asses off...

[Vandervahn]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7161/km20008yx.jpg

[Sten3]

AUSTRIA
http://www.waffennoser.ch/img/glock_outdoor.jpg

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Mantis: That sheath can turn into a saw?

Ok... my god my country really needs to get us proper knives...

[AIRBORNEJOCK]

Mantis: That sheath can turn into a saw?

Ok... my god my country really needs to get us proper knives...

its the standard bayonet the sheath turns into a saw,combined with the bayonet it turns into a set of wire cutters and it has abottle opener on it..........god knows why.

[East Scout]

AUSTRIA
http://www.waffennoser.ch/img/glock_outdoor.jpg

I have one of those Glock knives..nice blade,,mine es OD thought..

My current and all time favoret blade is the Kbar Marine Corps version (modern, no leather on it)

[TacoDelRio]

My personal favorite USGI knife: US Navy Mk3 Mod 0
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC01529.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC01530.jpg

I feel it has just the right length blade. Not so long that it's a damn oar strapped to yuor leg, and long enough to be more effectively used to chop through thick brancehs to make a shelter. I used it as an ice axe on a recent mountain climb, and it's long enough to anchor my ass to the ice. :)

I'd prefer one with a slightly harder steel though... ;) nah it's good. Can't stand the sheath though, it's like a friggin' dildo.

[Juusto]

Finnish JP Peltonen Sissipuukko (Ranger knife)

Rather tool than combat knife

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/sissipuukko01.jpg
Knife with plastic sheath (leather one also available)

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/sissipuukko02.jpg
Sheath can be strapped to belt or LBV

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/sissipuukko03.jpg
Blade is made of non-serrated carbonsteel with teflon coating. Easy to sharpen and can be used in chopping woods and so on :)

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/sissipuukko04.jpg
Hard rubber handle with good grip.

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/sissipuukko05.jpg
Roll-lock mechanism prevents knife to fall down when carrying it upside down.

Very simple design, but very handy and robust. I would say that only Glock knifes can challenge this one, when talking about true field knives :)

[East Scout]

This is my Marine Raider knife (short sword)..I use it for larger building projects like this field made meat smoking box we built in December...Its made by Spec-Plus..great knife..I keep it lashed to my Ruck...

Thats a nice Seal knife you have there Mr.Skorosky

Juusto..I like that knife as well.......

[TacoDelRio]

Juusto: I'd take one! Looks nice.

Brandenburger: Thanks. It's made by Ontario, who also makes your Spec Plus knives!

[Randomrokottaja]

Ranger knife seems to have a new coating which looks like a teflon pan's surface to me. My own one is the original version from 90s and it still works.

Has been a very handy field knife.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

This is the knife i was talking about earlier...

Yes, please feel free to laugh...

[Major Maxillary]

The tried and true.
http://upload.localnetsys.com/upload/february06/Kabar.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

This is the knife i was talking about earlier...

Yes, please feel free to laugh...

Hey that's a good knife.....

FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!


A Leatherman / multitool of your choice is a better route though. (if I do say so myself, sitting on my internet high-horse!)

[Juusto]

Ranger knife seems to have a new coating which looks like a teflon pan's surface to me. My own one is the original version from 90s and it still works.

Has been a very handy field knife.

That teflon coating is nice, but it scratches and peel off way too quickly. Mine is plain steel now, only after six months of use.

[East Scout]

The tried and true.
http://upload.localnetsys.com/upload/february06/Kabar.jpg

Thats exactly what i have but not in anywhere that condition/..

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Thats the problem with coatings... they look nice, tatical, but when they start to wear... they look Ooogly...

[East Scout]

The coating om my Kbar has withstood just about everything with very minimal wear.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Well it better... Kbars are known to rust...

[East Scout]

Thats a new one to me...I think it rusts if it sits there not being used;-)

[Frens]

Well it better... Kbars are known to rust...

are you sure? this one is a present from a USN Seal: it's old and it has been used a lot but there is no rust at all...
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2167/kabarusnseal8qm.jpg

[Limeyfellow]

are you sure? this one is a present from a USN Seal: it's old and it has been used a lot but there is no rust at all...

Mine haven't rusted either and one of them is original WW2 era and both have been used alot.

[East Scout]

LOL Ill raise the Bull Sh*t flag on that one......They started coating knives from military requirments to protect them from salt water. Salt water will rust anything..Not because "Kbars are known to rust"....My Marine Raider is Spec-Plus and its coated....

Do you have some proof to this? Im not trying to be a prick id just like to know if there is something i might not heard yet..

Brandenburger

[East Scout]

This is the knife i was talking about earlier...

Yes, please feel free to laugh...

I have the red version of that knife in my Escape kit..Its a good handy little knife but id have to agree with MrSkor that a multitool be a better choice if your gonna carry only that small blade...

[tango44]

What multitool and how many would you pack if you where going to be deployed overseas in a few days?

Which one and why?
Black oxide finish or Stainless?
Velcro or normal sheath?
Nylon or Leather sheath?

Thanks Tango44

[Frens]

Gerber 600 Multi-Plier Needlenose. Black oxide coated stainless steel. Ballistic nylon sheath.

it's sturdy as hell and has everything I need

http://www.gerbertools.com/Img_L/7550.jpg

[DnA]

I think thats the same one I got issued. Excellent piece of kit.

[percell_086]

My leatherman, I'm used to it and it's an excellent piece of gear! But i would get a nylon pouch for it when I would be deployed. Because I'm always afraid my leather pouch might open, with velcro i think that chance is smaller.


Percell

[GrimReaper]

My collection
The first one was a small sog I got about a year in service. The second is not a brand model, it was a gift from my corps. The last one I got was the bigger SOG TiNi powerlock. The smaller keychain one I got as a gift from my reserve unit. I use mainly a leather sheath, and when in the field I secure the tool with some wire/string through the loop.

[Yimmy]

This knife is often seen advertised as British arctic warfare issue, but I have never heard of it actually used as such.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/Yimmy/Yimmy1/P5280021.jpg

[East Scout]

@ Yimmy

They sell that knife in the states at Brigadequartermasert.com..They just call it British Army Survival knife.....I was gonna get one but i wasnt sure of the quality..What say you about it?

Brndenburger

[East Scout]

I have a SOG version. Needle nosed. Black parkersied..I keep it in my pocket on a dummy cord..If i lose my kit i still have it..

Brandenburger

[East Scout]

Gerber 600 Multi-Plier Needlenose. Black oxide coated stainless steel. Ballistic nylon sheath.

it's sturdy as hell and has everything I need

http://www.gerbertools.com/Img_L/7550.jpg

That is a nice one..I got the wife on for christmas this past year...Top quality peice of kit there..

[tedtay17]

This is the knife i was talking about earlier...

Yes, please feel free to laugh...

ahahahahahaha

but swiss army knives are good

[Aussie E]

SOG EOD. The 1/4" socket driver is way handy.

[lt tahoe]

Gerber 600. I have two regular and one needlenose, and have loved using them. The locking tools and flat hand surface are better than the Leatherman IMO. I bought the first one, was issued the other two.

And, when I broke one jaw of the pliers working on a Humvee, I sent it to Gerber and got a new one within days!

[Yimmy]

@ Yimmy

They sell that knife in the states at Brigadequartermasert.com..They just call it British Army Survival knife.....I was gonna get one but i wasnt sure of the quality..What say you about it?

Brndenburger

I haven't had call to take it into the field too much, but the thing is indestructable (the blade it 1/2 a cm wide), and a great field work knife - if a bit on the heavy side.

[Blarney]

Leatherman Wave, hands down. Its one of the best made and preferred by most SOF personnel, SWAT and EOD than any other multitool.

[GrimReaper]

Gerber 600. I have two regular and one needlenose, and have loved using them. The locking tools and flat hand surface are better than the Leatherman IMO. I bought the first one, was issued the other two.

And, when I broke one jaw of the pliers working on a Humvee, I sent it to Gerber and got a new one within days!
:) I broke my the plier head on my smaller SOG (posted above) also when working on a humvee in the field. The replaced it really quickly, but I decide to move to their bigger model.

[Martin_Riggs]

What was the standard M16 Bayonet in the Gulf War II 1991 ?

I have a disscusion with some folks who want to tell that the M9 Bayonet was issued in 1984 and so it was use in Desert Storm.
But I think it was the M7 Bayonet, notice some on pictures.

Does anybody know for sure?

kind regards and thanks in advance
martin

[Falco]

Only use Leatherman multitools, the Wave, Charge and Surge models preferably. I carry a micra on my ket ring.

[DnA]

M9 came into service in 1987 I think, but I don't think I've seen any pics from Gulf War 1 where guys had it, only the M7.

[tango44]

My collection
The first one was a small sog I got about a year in service. The second is not a brand model, it was a gift from my corps. The last one I got was the bigger SOG TiNi powerlock. The smaller keychain one I got as a gift from my reserve unit. I use mainly a leather sheath, and when in the field I secure the tool with some wire/string through the loop.

What's the model on the second one under the gold powerlock?

[Martin_Riggs]

M9 came into service in 1987 I think, but I don't think I've seen any pics from Gulf War 1 where guys had it, only the M7.

So it is possible?!
Damned I lose this bet! ;)

[GrimReaper]

It's a SOG, I think it's called pocket Plier (http://www.sogknives.com/pckpwrpli.htm), but when it was the only model when I got it.

[MEGR]

I have one of those Gerbers posted above. Well, mine doesn't have the nail file, but eh, who needs one. So far, everything has been quite alright. However, the price of the Gerbers are around 30 bucks!!!

[TacoDelRio]

I've got a Supertool 200. Haven't done real hard work with it, just fixing guns, opening cans, etc. I like it. I used the 100 model in a previous job repairing firearms.

[Chulo]

whats up with this multitool fetish?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73635

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Do you have some proof to this? Im not trying to be a prick id just like to know if there is something i might not heard yet..

Brandenburger

Well, I read it somewhere in some knife forums before... If i rem correctly its because of the steel it uses... High edge retention but low on the chromium element which prevents rusts. i have personally seen one where the handle itself rusted through the leather...

You probably dont see it rusting now cos of the good coating it has now? or maybe the newer versions have a different steel or newer better coating...

[BrigN96]

Here's what we in Norway get:
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1247/ag32um3yd.jpg
And here is the one most of us buy and are allowed to carry:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5215/ks93zu.jpg

[Nite]

1st Generation Combat Knife:
http://www.messerdepot.de/images/product_images/popup_images/H101314.jpg

Since the beginning of the 90s East German AK74 Bayonetts were used as combat Knives:
http://www.messermagazin.de/anzeigen/pixs/P42e957daa62b1.jpg

New KM2000 Combat Knive:
http://www.finnrappel.fi/Kampfmesser2000Oic.jpg

Standard Issue Folding Knive, but most soldiers replace this with privately purchased multitool (leatherman, swisstool, etc.):
http://www.army-world.de/shop/images/44021.jpg

[XxDrAg0nxX]

New KM2000 Combat Knive:
http://www.finnrappel.fi/Kampfmesser2000Oic.jpg

Standard Issue Folding Knive, but most soldiers replace this with privately purchased multitool (leatherman, swisstool, etc.):
http://www.army-world.de/shop/images/44021.jpg

Wow that KM 2000 looks fierce... that karton handle looks smooth.. how does it fair with sweaty hands?

And that standard issue folding knife sure looks much more functional than ours...:cantbeli:

[XxDrAg0nxX]

Look what I found whilst looking for that KM2000... its also German..

http://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/_pic_milkni_asekbowie.jpg

Aircrew Survival Escape Knife (ASEK-I-Bowie)
Nato stock number: 1095-12-361-3908

Aircrew survival and ultimate escape tool.

Laser cut ice hardened corrosion free blade, tang and cross guard, laser cut from 440A grade steel.
Black finish
Laser cut serrated cutting edge.
Half Serrated cutting edge
MIL spec - 40°C + 80°C operating temperatures
Maintenance free ergonomically designed black all weather handle grip to MIL specification.
Each blade individually serial numbered for 100% traceability.Each tool supplied with:

Awl
Glass breaker
Sapphire sharpening device
Scabbard
Carry options: Belt, leg or MOLLE-System combat vest. NOMEX® or Cordura® material
Lanyard ring
Water drainage escape
2 spear holes in cross guard
Care instructionshttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifBlade Thickness5 mmhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifBlade Length135mmhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifKnife Weight235 ghttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifOverall Length280mmhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/images/spacer.gifOverall Weight
510 g (incl. scabbard)

Looks like the designer really knew what he wanted on his knife......

[wiking]

Here's what we in Norway get:
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1247/ag32um3yd.jpg
And here is the one most of us buy and are allowed to carry:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5215/ks93zu.jpg

That's the 9" Strømeng Samekniv?

Isn't there another field\survival knife the army issues too?

[maw]

imho, i've used them all and broken them all and now i only use the swisstool. leatherman a distant second. gerber broke within a few days (the hinge is too weak), sog broke quickly as did the kershaw.
if you're only going to open mre's, tinned food, some occasional beer and use the screwdriver lightly then any of these will do. on the other hand, i've managed to break the tips of the pliers, broken the blades in half and snapped the screwdriver while attempting to remove rusty screws.try fixing a chainlink fence with the gerber, the pivot get sloppy loose in no time. try unpacking and dismantling air dropped pallets with a sog. try replacing the glow plugs in an old diesel powered bulldozer in the back of beyond with a gerber. try using your leatherman as an ad hoc hammer to drive some nails into a sudanese acacia tree for a jury rigged satcom/car battery/solar panel rig. and once you've done all that heavy duty stuff, come back and fabricate some small replacement springs for an old lister engined multifuel generator that was built in india at the turn of the century so that your village can have electricity and water. btdt.
a swisstool weighs a little more but is still way less then a tool box. when you have to hump (or tab as the brits call it) miles in rough terrain, ounces turn into pounds and i'd prefer not having to carry a backup multitool.
ymmv.

[flanker7]

http://www.colehardware.com/graphics/98/06/swisstoolA.jpg

I use this and it's great and very strong, but also, kind of heavy

[king_nothing100]

M9, could be:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5278/0016ci.jpg

[flanker7]

I've seen several photos of US Army in GW with M-9 bayonets, so it was in use, if not by all, at least by some

[Frens]

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/697/bayog35vg.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/6251/bayoak472gt.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6295/gerber9ap.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8222/bayom1car3nd.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4471/knifeger0zz.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9539/usafsurvival1ak.jpg

[Kersh]

I have a Leatherman Wave. Great locking on the tools, and you can open the knife, serrated knife, saw, and file without opening the tool. Really nifty how they come out and lock. I love it.

[happyman]

Finnish JP Peltonen Sissipuukko (Ranger knife)

http://www.q-elements.com/militaryphotos/sissipuukko02.jpg



I think it is a true field knife indeed. I have used it often when camping overnight at the forests. Cuts through branches like butter and stands all forms of abuse :). Price is around 68 €. For its price, i'll give it 10 out of 10 :)

Link in english:

http://www.canit.se/~griffon/knives/m95/sissipuukko_m95.html

[Asheren]

If my memory is correct we use atm wz.98
http://www.militaria.pl/cocoon/gfx/produkty/6/noz_wz98.gif

[BadKarma26]

http://www.vulcanarmament.com/photo/211.jpg

US M9 Bayonet. Not that great for cutting, but good for stabbing.

[aimforthemedic]

my dad used an m9 in the war, i now use it on duty. great knife

[tedtay17]

whichis all we need it for

[gaijinsamurai]

I was a combat engineer in the Marine Corps during the war, and my unit still had the old M7 bayonets.

[TacoDelRio]

I used my M9 as a basketball. Threw it in the trashcan. Made a slamdunk everytime.

POS

[flanker7]

I was a combat engineer in the Marine Corps during the war, and my unit still had the old M7 bayonets.

Did the USMC ever adopted the M-9? Or it wend staight from the M-7 to their new bayonete?

[Steve Andrews]

I've used Leathermans in the past but now choose a Victorinox Swisstool.

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm not sure; I got out in 1991, just after the war.

[Frens]

the M9 was already in use during 1st GW



Did the USMC ever adopted the M-9? Or it wend staight from the M-7 to their new bayonete?
No but the USMC tested some of this bayo in 1991-1993. that's why some M9 have been manufactured with USMC logo on them but the official issued bayo was the M7.

edit to add pics:
http://www.m9bayonet.com/images/buck-m9/m9_usmc_ftang-01a-sm.jpg
http://bravocompanyusa.com/images/Img123.gif

[XxDrAg0nxX]

The SOG EOD powerlock is a good one to use cos of the gearing system it employs.. I dun really take care of it much.. but still no rust...

Leathermans have the chance to break if used for prying, so be careful. But are usually chrome finished and are VERY rust resistant.

Gerbers have very thick pliers but most have sand-blasted finishes and are the most highly ****e to rust among the 3 so u have to take care of them regularly.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

My SOG EOD Powerlock VS Gen 1 Leatherman Wave

The nylon sheath that comes with the SOG sucks.. the one I am using here is a Blackhawk Pistol Magizine/knife sheath, which is easier to mount vertically and the original wave nylon sheath.

SOG is beefier
SOG is non reflective
SOG has a safety lock
SOG uses less effort due to gears

LM is smaller and easier to carry around
LM has thicker and longer blades/saw
LM has easier access to the blades

[bandaid]

Where can you purchase a JP Peltonen Sissipuuko M95 knife,I can't find one anywhere.

[Juusto]

Finnish company called Brisa is shipping outside Finland

http://www.brisa.fi/start3.html
(Select "Knives for sale" from left menuframe)

Postages to US is 15 euros and the knife is quite overpriced being 85 euros and not plastic sheath available. You can get Sissipuukko (plastic or leather sheath) for 68 euros, but that company doesn't ship outside Finland.

[bandaid]

Thank You Very Much.

[BrigN96]

That's the 9" Strømeng Samekniv?

Isn't there another field\survival knife the army issues too?

Yes, thats a Strømeng - probably the best Samekniv you can get.

You are correct, I forgot "infanteri-kniv" or "TS-kniven" that came with "Soldat 2000"

Do you have a picture?

[p51]

I have one of those Gerbers as well, but in bare metal. I had bought it at a WalMart when I went on active duty and they didn't have black ones there. If I'd had to do it over again, I surely would have got the blackened one.
But that Gerber saved my life once. I was in a chopper crash where the thing was burning afterward and when I came to, I couldn't get my damned seat strap undone. If I had had the thing on my BDU belt, I would have probably fried in there!

[TacoDelRio]

That swisstool looks like the winner. I should try one out.

[GrimReaper]

Funny story about the SOG and it's power gears. I one had a bet with a friend about the cutting power of the SOG vs. Leatherman. So we each took a large steel nail and tried to cut it with just a hand squeeze. He made it less then half way. I took the nail and started squeezing, I was about a meter and half from him, the thing was so powerful that half the nail flew and hit him the chest :) no damage of course it wasn't that fast but just amazing cutting power.

[Martin_Riggs]

thanks for the great Infos you post!
Helps me a lot ;)

[Frens]

thanks for the great Infos you post!
Helps me a lot ;)

take a look here: http://www.m9bayonet.com
you'll a lot of info ;-)

[Horna]

Finland´s biggest outdoor magazine Retki tested a boatload of multitools. The winner was Victorinox SwissTool X (4,55/5). Other multitools that fared well also were Leatherman Surge (4,40), Victorinox SwissTool Spirit (4,35) and Leatherman Charge (4,05). It really depends on what you are looking for in a multitool.

[XxDrAg0nxX]

If budget fits, the leatherman Charge Ti.

If not the Surge.

[percell_086]

Gerber is fine, but leatherman is the best IMHO. I don't leave home without it.

[maw]

rmm, we just did this in another thread.
if you're going to be using it for heavy duty tasks get the swisstool, if not, then any of the maintream ones (leatherman, gerber, sog, kershaw, etc) will cut it.

[TacoDelRio]

Damn we should have a multitool forum.

Leatherman is good. Swisstool is supposed to be awesome, but I've never used them.

[Sabre]

I went for a leatherman Blast as it seems to have all the necessary tools without too much bumf. I reckoned all I needed was a knife, saw, phillips and flathead screwdrivers, scissors and of course the pliers. The blast has all these plus a file and tin opener. I don't really see the point in having several knives on a multitool. The main feature is the pliers, otherwise I would be fine with my swiss army knife!

I got my blast new from an ebay shop for £37.50. RRP is about £50. I definately wasn't going to spend £100 plus on a multitool. There's no need to spend more, equivalent gerbers are the 400/400 sport and go for about £40. Advantage of the gerber is the one handed opening (if you need that), but I thought their blades/scissors looked small and I prefer the leatherman layout with all the tools contained inside the 'handles'. In my opinion, paying for more functions is just paying for more pocket ballast!

[TacoDelRio]

On another note, I am able to open Leathermans with one hand. You just fling it open quick, with a flick of the wrist. Granted it isn't assisted, but it's easy. The grip is good enough for me to change a tire with, until I could find the damn locking lugnut head.

[OMON]

Gerber woot

[tango44]

SOG POWERLOCK in black oxide finish for serious stuff!
Swisstool Spirit for EDC (Every Day Carry)!

[p51]

When I was there in 1991, most line units had M-7s, and some of the higher-speed units had M-9s. I recall them quite well, as I traded some "souvenirs" for one. They were still made by Bucks knives at that time and had the puch on the front for the stone. Current ones have the stone built into the scabbard.
When I was with the 3rd Brigade, 2nd ID in 2001, we still had a lot of M-7s still on the property book in our arms room!

[Wilco]

I so happen to have one sitting here that went to the Gulf and back in 91.


http://img104.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-22188/loc24/13222_IMG_0711.jpg
http://img18.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-31639/loc24/13226_IMG_0712.jpg
http://img136.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-12145/loc24/13231_IMG_0713.jpg

[XxDrAg0nxX]

wait no i think there more or less the same.

*edit* or are they....

Take note of the XTi's pliers.. theres a crimper, and a cutting hook.. 9 double ended bits instead of 8 and it does not have a scissors.

The normal Ti is more pratical to me cos of its scissors.

Another good point to note abt the Ti series is that they tell u that the blade is made of 154cm steel. While All others are not stated, and i suspect are just normal stainless steel.

[Randomrokottaja]

I bought one swiss Victorinox in 90s, still in use and almost in unissued condition. It has been handy and durable but blades are pretty stiff despite lubrication oil, and the tool itself is edged which makes it slightly uncomfortable in hand when grabbing tight.

[Blarney]

I use the wave daily and so do a lot of army personnel, a lot of EOD do as well. Good multitool and favored by most. They also make a titanium version too...

[XxDrAg0nxX]

nope.. not much the same thing... Ti is way more expensive as:

The handles are Titanium
Blade is 154cm steel

[Frens]

I'm a Gerber fan. I've both the Multiplier (600 series) and the Legend (800 series).
Gerber makes great stuff but the Legend didn't impressed me... the Multiplier is a lot sturdier

[conscript]

hai guys im now in iraq so i want to buy a good knife! im thinking of KA-BAR or SOG M39 SEAL! im in mobile infantry and im machine gunner, so i dont need some ultra hi-tech knife just good knife that i can count on! so any suggestions!

[TacoDelRio]

I'd go for the SOG SEAL, if you don't mind the blade being that long. It's a good, solid, very sharp SEKI blade, same guys who make Spyderco blades for the most part. It's VERY VERY sharp from the factory, and the steel isn't so hard that you can't sharpen it in the morning before you go out on a patrol or some sh*t.

The handle/scales are nice, grippy rubber high-tech stuff I cna't spell right, which is also a plus.

I'd go SOG (From owning both).

[ed316]

K-bar or a folding spyder co will do. he only thing you be using it for is to open up your MRE or cut 550 cord.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Or if you prefer a shorter version.

SOG SEAL Pup:
http://www.sogknives.com/Images/fixed/SEALkinves/sealpup.jpg

[TacoDelRio]

The SEAL Pup is a bit more handy.

[conscript]

ok i think i go for SOG! that shorter version looks really fine for me! not to big and bulky! o and there is one more thing that i want to ask! i bought an under armor t-shirt, and want to know is it rely that good as it said? or its just comercial?

[Pete031]

Seal Pup's and the Spyderco's are both amazing knives

[B 2/75]

Put a Spyderco folder in yer pocket for opening rations, cutting string, etc.

Put a KBar on yer gear... it is MUCH more inexpensive than the SOG, and since yer a grunt infantryman, you'll be using it to chop tree roots when you dig foxholes, chopping tree branches for overhead cover, etc. Why would you want a hundred dollar knife when you'll be cutting tree roots in a rock-strewn foxhole? My Kbar has been through 28 years of intense duty, it sharpens easily, holds an edge well enough, and is big enough for any job. The blade WILL rust if you neglect your soldierly duties, but a green pot scrubber will clean it right back up.

[taekwonno]

Check out www.rangerknives.com

A little more money, but these things are bomb proof.

[ZaakM433]

SOG uses 440A steel... icky (less edge holding etc) but more corrosion resistant. Personally i would steer away from the SOGs.

[a deadly fart]

SOG uses 440A steel... icky (less edge holding etc) but more corrosion resistant. Personally i would steer away from the SOGs.

On which models?

The Seal Pup and Bowie fixed blades both uses AUS8 some might compare it to 440B but in the end alot of the difference is in the heat treatment. I've seen threads like these over on bladeforums and Ontario knife and Fallkniven both come up pretty often.

[kayaker]

www.equipped.org for all your knife queries. Independed, non biased advice.

[bluffcove]

Leather man - or a gerber?

Everything you need and a few bits youll be grateful for onbce in a blue moon. And you dont look like rambo when you produce it which helps!

[TacoDelRio]

I tried digging a defensive fighting position with a Leatherman once. Other people may look like Ram*****s, but they actually complete the task.

Understandably, some people out ther do buy hugeass blades that may be impractical, but a 7" Ka-Bar or SOG or anything comes in handy.

Plus my way-too-huge USN Mk3 MOD 0 did better at getting that towstrap off a 44,000lb bus stuck in the sand than my Leatherman woulda done.

[ZaakM433]

On which models?

The Seal Pup and Bowie fixed blades both uses AUS8 some might compare it to 440B but in the end alot of the difference is in the heat treatment. I've seen threads like these over on bladeforums and Ontario knife and Fallkniven both come up pretty often.

SOG Seal 2000 as well as most of their product line, but I havent looked at them in the last couple years so they may have changed their line-up.

[conscript]

www.equipped.org for all your knife queries. Independed, non biased advice.
nice page mate! need to check out some of the things when i redeploy back to home!!!

[kayaker]

Leather man - or a gerber?

Everything you need and a few bits youll be grateful for onbce in a blue moon. And you dont look like rambo when you produce it which helps!
Victorinox wins every time - still find the quality of the Leatherman blade doubtful but with the Swiss you know what quality you can expect.

EDIT: http://www.equipped.org/swisstoo.htm
http://www.equipped.org/lm_charge-wave.htm
Check it out!

[kayaker]

nice page mate! need to check out some of the things when i redeploy back to home!!!

Thanks, indeed great, great site. Been a member since 2001!

[bshnt2015]

http://www.graymanknives.com/warrior.html

http://www.striderknives.com/html/main.html

Combat utility or fighting/CQB or both ? Double edged blade or ?

[bluffcove]

I tried digging a defensive fighting position with a Leatherman once. Other people may look like Ram*****s, but they actually complete the task.

Understandably, some people out ther do buy hugeass blades that may be impractical, but a 7" Ka-Bar or SOG or anything comes in handy.

Plus my way-too-huge USN Mk3 MOD 0 did better at getting that towstrap off a 44,000lb bus stuck in the sand than my Leatherman woulda done.

Im only TA so dont know what you guys carry, but I find that the entrenching tool can break through most roots and doesnt lose its edge!

also forund that you can get through quite alot of rope, wire etc with a fold away pruning saw from a hardware store.

[Darkside161]

BenchMade has some good knives to look at. I always have a multi-tool and a pocket knife in the field. I know SOG has some good multi-tools. I haven't found alot of use for big fixed blades like a KA-BAR, but thats just me.

[TacoDelRio]

BenchMade has some good knives to look at. I always have a multi-tool and a pocket knife in the field. I know SOG has some good multi-tools. I haven't found alot of use for big fixed blades like a KA-BAR, but thats just me.

Hi Stoli!

Big fixed blades are good for big tasks.

[RGRBOX]

I prefer, and folder type knive... Gerber Tool, Leatherman.. etc... even a Swiss army knife.. I also carry a fixed blade utility knife with me... (Not a fighting knife) you will need knives 99.999% of the time for work related.. not fighting... I don't mean to go out an spend lots of bucks on a knife you will put thru the paces but a good knife that is well sharpened will work everytime.. I got myself a load of Frost Mora knives not to long ago. Cheap, good knives that are robust enough to use in the outdoors. I usually carry with me a Woodlore Ray Mears /Andy Wood fixed blade for my out door activities, and I have a Bark River, Fallkniven... these knives are some of the best I've used. Not too long , about 5-6 inche blades with full length tounges.. Maccarta, Birch bark handles...

[Adam Wilhelm]

mikebox: good choices except Frost Mora.

http://www.hd.chalmers.se/~bi2jafr/bilder/afgha/mora_vs_a1_2.jpg

Fällkniven is teh sheit

[kayaker]

The knife broke at its tang? And is the tang so short? Which price range is that?

Mikebox probably means that the Frost mora price vs quality is excellent. Which it is. It is the only fixed blade under 10 pounds that I would trust my life to.

[RGRBOX]

The knife broke at its tang? And is the tang so short? Which price range is that?

Mikebox probably means that the Frost mora price vs quality is excellent. Which it is. It is the only fixed blade under 10 pounds that I would trust my life to.

Your right, that's what I was refering to. I sell them for 25.-- chf and I've done some crazy s.h.i.t. with mine. Another thing it's good for, is it's a good knife to just thro in your survival kit bag, and when or if you need it it's there. Thanks for the correction on the word "Tang"... I couldn't remember it.

[Adam Wilhelm]

For the price of Mora you get good quality but it´s not a knife i would depend my life upon.
I have come across many people who think that a Mora is just as good as an Fällkniven or strider.

[kayaker]

Let me elaborate. Frost makes the only knife under 10 pounds that I would trust my life to. However Frost isnt my first choice: Buck or even better: Woodlore produces brill survival knifes. What I wouldnt go with is the W' sword Dartmoor survival knife or the MOD RAF aircrew version.

ALso I prefer knifes with greater cutting power than slashing or chopping.

[TacoDelRio]

This is my "ideal" field knife:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC01530.jpg
USN Mk3 MOD 0
Whether it's termed a "fighting" knife or "utility", it's a good knife. Perfect length for me. 6 inch blade I think?

When I'm in the woods, that's what I carry.

[RGRBOX]

I'm not saying that the Frost Mora Knife is better than any of the other knives I've mentioned. I've put a Mora frost thru it's pases, and it worked remarkably well for a 10 buck knife. I prefer other knives that are out there, and when I do to the woods, I carry a Wilkenson Woodlore Mears/Wood's knife. I don't waist my time carring big knives either. I carry a folding hand saw, a Gransfor Hachet, and my Fixed blade knife. I also carry a Leatherman on me... That's it.. no need for anything else.

But to make a point of the Mra Frost knife. I've used one to split wood, by hammering it with a small log.. I sharpen it like a razor, and it works... but like I also said.. I would put one , and do in my survival kit.. it will do the job when it's needed. And if you break it... then you buy another one..

I just got myself a Bark River 1st Production knife.. one piece blade and tang with a Macarta Lepard handle.. total length of the knife is about 8 inches... really nice knife... did cost $155.-- but worth it..

A knife I do recommend because it is just a kick a.s.s. knife is the Fallkniven Idun.. also about 8 inches with a leather handle.. holds an edge like nothing else.. and not only works well, but just looks good. Sure KaBar, and some other knives out there will do the job.. but I myself don't like coated blades.. can't strick a spark with a magnizium stick with a coated blade... and you don't need a camo blade, because if you do have to use it to kill someone, then you want have time to show it to them.. you use it, clean it, and re-sheath it.. I also find that a lot of the high carbon blades to be a little weak.. example the Army M9 bayonet.. I broke about 4 of them in my ten years in the army, and their blades would chip easy.. not only that they wouldn't hold an edge.. and too big to work with...

I agree with Ryan Woods, I prefer a cutting knife over a slashing, chopping knife... and just one last remark... serrated blades on knives are useless.. can't sharpen them in the field, and you can't really use them for any work you may need to do.. example making something out of wood.

If your knife isn't sharp then it's just a metal stick... I recommend that before any of you go out and start using a knife, to learn how to sharpen one like a razor... that way, you won't have to carry around that extra bit of weight once you've used it.. and it's no longer sharp.... make you life easy, by a good, plain edge fixed blade knife that's no longer then 7-8 inches... Rambo never build crap with one of the knives he was carrying around... that I can promise you...

[TacoDelRio]

Rambo was not tasked with building, he was tasked with KEEELING!!!!!1111111111

I remember someone on here said "why bother making it razor sharp? You don't need that." Seems there's too much "modesty" floating around. There is no reason why you shoudln't make your knife as sharp as possible.

Serrations can be helpful when cutting a rope that's under tension (lowering lines, etc).

[RGRBOX]

This is my "ideal" field knife:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC01530.jpg
USN Mk3 MOD 0
Whether it's termed a "fighting" knife or "utility", it's a good knife. Perfect length for me. 6 inch blade I think?

When I'm in the woods, that's what I carry.

Good knife... but it brings up a small problem.. if you want to split wood for fire building, making a spoon, figure 4 traps bow, drill set to make fire etc... then you will need a flat surface on the top edge of your knife.. because many "Survival" knives are build with teeth, serations, or they are double edged, then that makes it difficult to split wood with them.. all you end up doing it cutting your hammering club and you waist energy, and time.. and those are two things that work against you.. best to carry a large or wide flat topped edged knife for this purpose... also, without a solide surface it's sometimes more difficult to make a spark using a fire stick... Most of the Navy knives I've seen example: the new line of Dark Ops knivesare made mostly for work around boats, and water,,, special surfaces for cutting cords, ropes etc... but when they are needed for land based work they fall short of what is needed... and they are always coated with a black surface, that doen't want to work with fire starting... etc... etc...

I just ordered the same knife you have for a good client of mine who is into knife fighting... and it's a good looking knife... just not one I'd pick for my use...

[RGRBOX]

Rambo was not tasked with building, he was tasked with KEEELING!!!!!1111111111

I remember someone on here said "why bother making it razor sharp? You don't need that." Seems there's too much "modesty" floating around. There is no reason why you shoudln't make your knife as sharp as possible.

Serrations can be helpful when cutting a rope that's under tension (lowering lines, etc).

But very difficult to re-sharpen... and like you said.. why not just sharpen your knife like a razor blade... that way it will cut thru most anything...

[TacoDelRio]

Good point.

I can't remember where I saw it, but some company, probably Ontario, makes a knife with a flat end. The tip isn't there, but is replaced by the blade taking a 90 degree turn north. Looks like a perfect woods knife!

I like how I have the top-edge on my knife. On a recent climb, I flipped the knife around (edge out), and used this knife to climb a mountain by stabbing into the ice sheet. THat way I didn't damage the cutting edge of my knife.

I hear ya on the other part about splitting wood though. I don't usually make fires when I'm out "surviving", so the most woodwork I do is chopping for branches to make a shelter or lean-to.

[a deadly fart]

are you talking about a razel? MrSkorotsnoy? http://newgraham.com/detail.aspx?ID=5220

[TacoDelRio]

Very similar, although larger, all black, and not Paul Bos'ed! That's a rpetty high speed knife!

Here it is (or one similar): CAMILLUS TACTOOL:
http://www.camillusknives.com/bkt/bkt-knives/bk3.jpg


TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
12-1/2" overall length
7" length blade
.230" blade thickness
Weight: 18.6 oz


All Feature: devastating cutting power – proven in the world’s most challenging environments.Each flat ground blade features an incredibly sharp blade and the most comfortable hard-use knife handle in the world.
• Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C)
• 58-59 RC blade hardness
• Black epoxy coating
• Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles
• Proudly made in the U.S.A.


Damn, I wish my knives had "devastating cutting power"! Anyone know where I can have that installed on my knives? ;)

[RGRBOX]

I don't know either... if you find someone who can put that into a knife, let me know. That way, I can send them some of my knives to have that option added..

[Adam Wilhelm]

I'm not saying that the Frost Mora Knife is better than any of the other knives I've mentioned.

I know you didn´t. p-)

[kayaker]

http://www.camillusknives.com/bkt/bkt-knives/bk3.jpg


TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
12-1/2" overall length
7" length blade
.230" blade thickness
Weight: 18.6 oz


The fixed blade answer to the Swiss army knife.. seen a couple of those types around. And all claim to have near magical powers (http://www.survival.com/atax.htm - for humour).

Just remember the choice of a fixed blade wont make or break your reputation, it is the addition or lack of a decent supportive folder that makes the difference.

The near perfect combination is the RM Woodlore combined with the Swiss tool.

On the discussion of serration: I own a Buck sailing folder which has a partially serrated edge. With the one handed opening, 7cm blade and lightweight grips its one of the better knifes I own for everyday tasks. Serrated for peeling oranges and smooth for opening boxes. However a razor sharp knife will diminish the need for serrations.
Needless to say it stays at home when im out in the field.

[TacoDelRio]

You've got to be f***kin kidding me........

HAHAHAH!

That is Megaforce's new knife of choice for zombieslaying.

That thing is kinda high speed. I bet Jesus carried one.

[RGRBOX]

You've got to be f***kin kidding me........

HAHAHAH!

That is Megaforce's new knife of choice for zombieslaying.

That thing is kinda high speed. I bet Jesus carried one.

He designed it...

[Nugget]

i just recieved this today ... lovely innit
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5063/dsc0425211ry.jpg

post some pics of other khukuri daggers

[scrybe]

How'd you get it?

[Nugget]

got it off ebay for $75AUD from an aussie dealer.

[Amandil]

Mine looks just like that (WWII style), except that my blade is tarnished now. The sheath seams to have swelled, though, so it's a bugger trying to pull the knife out of it. :(

My sister picked it up for me in Kathmandu. I think it's a pretty solid repro.

Edit: batteries are depleted in my digicam. No pics can post.

[ogukuo72]

It's neither a dagger nor a knife. It's a machete.

[DeltaWhisky58]

It's neither a dagger nor a knife. It's a machete.

It is certainly not a dagger or a machete. The Kukhri is the traditional fighting weapon of the hill tribes of Nepal which they have used to great effect for several hundred years. Post 1815 the Gurkhas served with great distinction with the British Army, and post-partition (1947) the Gurkha regiments were split between the British and Indian Armies where they still serve today.

It is normally expected that a single swipe of the kukhri will sever a head, and on ceremonial occasions in the Hindu calendar, a Gurkha will sever the head of a Bullock with a single cut using a large ceremonial kukhri. If made properly, these are superb knives.

For anyone interested in buying a kukhri, can I suggest this (http://www.thekhukurihouse.com/) dealer/manufacturer.

[ogukuo72]

Definition of blades can differ. This is the rule of thumb I use:

A dagger has a double edge and is used for stabbing. A knife has a single edge and is used for cutting. A machete is used for chopping and is longer and heavier than either a knife or a dagger.

This is only a rule of thumb. Blades can be very versatile, and the most versatile blades tend to be most popular.

For example, I would call the K-Bar a knife because of its single cutting edge, but it can be used to stab as well, and larger examples are heavy enough to serve as a chopping tool.

Read this excellent website for more info on the Kukri: http://www.army.mod.uk/brigade_of_gurkhas/history/kukri_history.htm

I would argue that the Kukri is a machete because of its design. It has a heavy tip to help lend weight to the chopping motion. It is also used as an all purpose tool, such as chopping wood and cutting vegetation like an axe, chopping up meat like a cleaver, exactly as machetes are used in other parts of the world.

My father has a Kukri presented to him by one of the British Gurkha regiments stationed here before the British withdrawal of 1971. He used it as a machete as well.

[Resurrection]

Nice! Ghurkas are pretty hardcore. Managed to get a picture of one at my school.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5750/schoolghurka9xu.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=schoolghurka9xu.jpg)

[gtronin]

I have one that looks very similar to that one too, never used it since I got it as a present...
Mine had two little metal bits in the sheath... no idea what they are for...

[DeltaWhisky58]

I have one that looks very similar to that one too, never used it since I got it as a present...
Mine had two little metal bits in the sheath... no idea what they are for...

Normally one is a skinning knife, the other is a steel for touching up the edge on the blade.


Definition of blades can differ. This is the rule of thumb I use:

A dagger has a double edge and is used for stabbing. A knife has a single edge and is used for cutting. A machete is used for chopping and is longer and heavier than either a knife or a dagger.

This is only a rule of thumb. Blades can be very versatile, and the most versatile blades tend to be most popular.

For example, I would call the K-Bar a knife because of its single cutting edge, but it can be used to stab as well, and larger examples are heavy enough to serve as a chopping tool.

Read this excellent website for more info on the Kukri: http://www.army.mod.uk/brigade_of_gurkhas/history/kukri_history.htm

I would argue that the Kukri is a machete because of its design. It has a heavy tip to help lend weight to the chopping motion. It is also used as an all purpose tool, such as chopping wood and cutting vegetation like an axe, chopping up meat like a cleaver, exactly as machetes are used in other parts of the world.

My father has a Kukri presented to him by one of the British Gurkha regiments stationed here before the British withdrawal of 1971. He used it as a machete as well.

That is all very well using your own definitions, but the Kukhri simply isn't a dagger or a machete. It is a fighting knife pure and simple, but that is not to say that they are not used by Gurkha soldiers for domestic tasks as well. That aside, Gurkha units also use the machete for its intended purpose in the bush/jungle. If your Father wishes to use his kukhri as a machete that's his choice, but normally one would expect a Gurkha to use a machete for that purpose.

[bluffcove]

a K bar is a drop point knife.

[gtronin]

Thanks whisky, that explains it... I wondered why the hell one looked worked into a small knife and the other remained this rough looking piece of metal... I got it wrapped in some old newspaper with some hindu looking stuff on it, its looks rather nice, which is another reason I dont wanna use it... ill just get a new more utilitarian one some day...

[Buckeye67]

ill just get a new more utilitarian one some day...

For that, I like the Becker Knife and Tool (Camillus) Machax:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9938/botach1713135936280on.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[ogukuo72]

That is all very well using your own definitions, but the Kukhri simply isn't a dagger or a machete. It is a fighting knife pure and simple, but that is not to say that they are not used by Gurkha soldiers for domestic tasks as well. That aside, Gurkha units also use the machete for its intended purpose in the bush/jungle.
You got it the other way round. It's a multi-purpose machete that's used by Gurkhas for domestic chores and agricultural work, but which is also employed as a highly effectively instrument of war. Read the webpage that I posted. You may find it educating.

PS: it is not my definition, but the definition that I use. It is a widely used definition.

PPS: I've had a nice chat with my father yesterday. He confirmed that Gurkhas used it as a household tool and a machete, not only as a weapon. He has worked with the Gurkhas before. Have you?

[martinexsquaddie]

kukuri is not just a fighting knife its a great utility knife as well though the handles a bit too small for most western blokes.
if your not a g
Ghurka expect the piss to be taken out of you relentlessly if you have one on your web belt though :)

[ogukuo72]

It's a great piece of kit for bashing in the jungle, that's for sure. :)

Here in Singapore, for those of us who aren't a Gurkha, we would have to settle for a parang. It's a machete too, not a knife!

[khukuri]

Jeez


I am neither a machete nor a fighting knife. Let me tell you about me.

In the hills in nepal were the ghurkas come from, people are quite poor. Sometimes a khukuri is the only blade a family owns. The use it for everything. And fighting is something its less suited for. Actually the ghurka khukuris are smaller in size than many other khukuris so that they can be used in warfare. Its a multipurpose blade. Not a frigging machete. Machetes are bigger, longer and thinner, much thinner. A khukuri is a bit difficult to use as a machete. Its quite heavy. Its good to use if you wanna chopp hard wood.

Good khukuris are hard to find. Alot of what is around is generally turist khukuris, good khukuris for work often have to small handles. Himalayan imports and thekhukurihouse make for "bigger hands".

cheers

[khukuri]

http://www.gurkha-khukuri.com/images/panawal16f.jpg

Panawal, a heavy workhorse. One of the khuks I own.

[Yimmy]

Just my opinion, but showing off a Khukri when your not serving with the Gurkhas or from Nepal is like showing off an SAS cap badge when your not in the SAS.

[khukuri]

Just my opinion, but showing off a Khukri when your not serving with the Gurkhas or from Nepal is like showing off an SAS cap badge when your not in the SAS.


Pure bull****!!!

A khukuri is a tool used by many people. Theres a khukri in every nepali home, do you think all nepalis are ghurkas? Sure, if someone is running aroung with a special ghurka khukri and claiming to be **** thats something else. Its a tool, I always have one with me when Im outdoors, If I can add the 800 grams of weight that is. Its like saying nobody should use an m4 unless theyre american.

[indigo_prime]

Ive got a Gurkha cap badge which I received from fellow Sergeant in the Mess when I lef tthe Army last year. Its not something they give away lightly!

[Limeyfellow]

Pure bull****!!!

A khukuri is a tool used by many people. Theres a khukri in every nepali home, do you think all nepalis are ghurkas? Sure, if someone is running aroung with a special ghurka khukri and claiming to be **** thats something else. Its a tool, I always have one with me when Im outdoors, If I can add the 800 grams of weight that is. Its like saying nobody should use an m4 unless theyre american.

There seems to be alot of that going around. The funniest is that pure fantasy that it can only be drawn from the sheath to take blood and you then get some very amused nepalese people laughing at you.

[Yimmy]

There seems to be alot of that going around. The funniest is that pure fantasy that it can only be drawn from the sheath to take blood and you then get some very amused nepalese people laughing at you.

The same myth goes with the samari swords.

And Kukuri, there is no need to get tetchy. I didn't specify Gurkhas, I also mentioned those from Nepal. If someone is neither of the above, then showing off a Kukri is a little odd, as it is their heritage.

[Nugget]

http://www.gurkha-khukuri.com/images/panawal16f.jpg

Panawal, a heavy workhorse. One of the khuks I own.

thats the exact one i have except the handle is black .. the scabbard is the same too

[Nugget]

awww damn it ... now i want that one.

[2/1kiwi]

http://www.gurkha-khukuri.com/images/panawal16f.jpg

Panawal, a heavy workhorse. One of the khuks I own.

Traded a Khukuri like this one and a black handeled one when i was in Brunei a few years ago, when i got home i took them to a shop to see what they were worth and was told by the dealer that they were fake. When i told him i got them from a Ghurka he still said they fake!

[Yimmy]

Traded a Khukuri like this one and a black handeled one when i was in Brunei a few years ago, when i got home i took them to a shop to see what they were worth and was told by the dealer that they were fake. When i told him i got them from a Ghurka he still said they fake!

Sounds to me like he was trying to get you to sell them to him for dirt cheap, and didn't want to admit they were real.

[oldsoak]

It's a great piece of kit for bashing in the jungle, that's for sure. :)

Here in Singapore, for those of us who aren't a Gurkha, we would have to settle for a parang. It's a machete too, not a knife!

Best parang I ever had was made from a truck spring and purchased for 15 ringitt.I must confess I'd use it in preference to the issue Khukri in the jungle. The issue item feels less a tool, more of a weapon. I appreciate there are different kinds of Khukri - is it possible that the issue item is optimised for war ?

[Far]

This may shed some light:

http://www.m4040.com/Survival/Ghurka/History%20of%20the%20Ghurka%20Kukri.htm

[2/1kiwi]

compared to the Khukuris the old man was given the ones i brought home a alot lighter, his is more heavy and the blade is thicker near the handel as well; he also has a white and red one with carvings on the sheath

[cbreedon]

Here's where I got mine.... alot of varieties.

http://www.himalayan-imports.com/

[khukuri]

Traded a Khukuri like this one and a black handeled one when i was in Brunei a few years ago, when i got home i took them to a shop to see what they were worth and was told by the dealer that they were fake. When i told him i got them from a Ghurka he still said they fake!

Ive heard that some of the ghurkas know that when they get deplyed some people always wanna buy their khukuris. So knowing that, the ghurka buys some cheap **** turist khukuris and when on deployment he sells them. since hes a ghurka nobody really questions that.

Actually, ghurkas ar not even issued with that cind of khukuri, they have smaller ones. Himalayan imports is very good, thou overpriced.

[kamarian]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9869/khukri27ev.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=khukri27ev.jpg)

My khukri. Need to get the blade stripped and re-chromed.

[Royal]

Best parang I ever had was made from a truck spring and purchased for 15 ringitt.I must confess I'd use it in preference to the issue Khukri in the jungle. The issue item feels less a tool, more of a weapon.

All the best parangs/goloks are. If you ever go on an ex in Malaysia/Brunei get a locally made one and bin the issue crap - Sheffield steel may be good for fighting knives, but it's bugger all good for tree bashing. Strangely I've never come across a really good local parang in Belize....


I appreciate there are different kinds of Khukri - is it possible that the issue item is optimised for war ?

Yes the WD/MoD ones are designed for just that - though from what I've seen they make short work of chopping wood and butchery - though I guess that's what you want from a fighting knife ;)

[Nugget]

Traded a Khukuri like this one and a black handeled one when i was in Brunei a few years ago, when i got home i took them to a shop to see what they were worth and was told by the dealer that they were fake. When i told him i got them from a Ghurka he still said they fake!

so my knife is a fake too then ... i am so not pleased.

well i got it from this dealer http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Famous-Gurkha-Knife-KHUKURI-KUKRI-service-no-1-NO-R_W0QQitemZ6622435594QQcategoryZ20271QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Philbert]

I have an old knife that my next door neighbour gave to me before he died.
It has two blades, and the handle is whale bone. Its looking a bit dull, and i was just wondering what is a good way to clean it, sharpen it and look after it.

This is it,
http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img14410jj.jpg

[Till Eulenspiegel]

Oh, thats looks old. Usually I would say take it apart (if you dare), scrub it, dry it, silicone/reassemble, followed by session with the Spyderco sharpmaker:

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=77

However, since it is ancient, and who knows how it's constructed and what it is made of, I would recommend seeing a professional. It never hurts to be safe and a professional cleaning and sharpening doesn't cost that much.

[TacoDelRio]

The Spyderco Sharpmaker is a great sharpener.

I use WD40 to clean my knives. Gets glue, sap, rust, whatever off the blade, and cleans out the worky bits on folders. Dunno how it would react to the scales (grips) on that knife though.

[Thunder]

I'd use Ballistol instead of WD40. If you ever want to skin an apple or cut something you're going to stick in your mouth, you don't want to have anything toxic like WD40 on your blade.
As for sharpening, I'd go for the cheap sandpaper method, unless you feel like spending $80 on a Spyderco sharpmaker. Tutorial (http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/751826/).

[TacoDelRio]

I've been using WD40 for a few years now on my blades, and I eat with the when I'm out in the field.

Maybe that's why I'm "different". ;)

Then again I kinda ingested a healthy amount of paint thinner as a kid, from all the models I made.

GROWIN' UP REAL!

[RGRBOX]

You can clean it with Tuff Cloth, WD40 , anything you want.. sharpen it with a Japanese wet stone 1200 and finish it with a 600. then take a leather strap/belt to it, and go at the blade about 40 times each side, to get rid of the residue from the sharpening..

to sharpen hold blade against the stone with your four fingers giving slight presure, go at it 6 times each side, then 4 times each side then 2 times each side.. do this over if needed.. sometime the manufacture sharpening is at a bad angle, and you have to get this off.. because this is an old knife maybe not.. anyway, do this with both stones, and then strop the blade with the back of a leather belt.. clean again with a cloth.. and if this is an old one of kind knife.. put it away, and buy yourself one you won't mind using..

Mike B.

[Philbert]

Thanks for the help guys.
i have no intention of using this knife, i just want to clean it up to keep it in good condition.
thanks for your help.

[RGRBOX]

Welcome....... .............

[Sten3]

Hi
can anyone identify this knife?

http://minitroopers.8m.com/images/FR_weapons.jpg
http://minitroopers.8m.com/fr_fsbe_1.htm

thanks

[Thunder]

A Strider is my guess, not sure which model though.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2641/tacticalsteel15tu.jpg

[Blarney]

considering the pic shows a fake soldier, the knife is probably generic. Likely though is the Strider as Thunder suggested, considering they are trying to get the FR DA loadout down pat. Id also place money on a knife from the larger franchises, like Buck or some no names.

[imadazhell]

Would like some photos or info on how to properly attatch a Kydex knife sheath onto the MOLLE webbing of the Interceptor body armor vest. What is the correct style of "mount" to use on the back of the sheath?

[TacoDelRio]

Which knife sheath?

[imadazhell]

Which knife sheath?

Its custom made by a guy up in Canada called On/Scene Tactical. It was supposed to have a MOLLE compatible mounting on it, but no way I could get it to work.

[HoboWithAK]

Would like some photos or info on how to properly attatch a Kydex knife sheath onto the MOLLE webbing of the Interceptor body armor vest. What is the correct style of "mount" to use on the back of the sheath?

That's quite a general question. I think we need some pictures to understand exactly what you mean. Or just do it yourself. It doesn't have to be pretty or perfect. I don't think there is a specific mount for kydex knife sheaths on an IBA, but I may be wrong.

[imadazhell]

That's quite a general question. I think we need some pictures to understand exactly what you mean. Or just do it yourself. It doesn't have to be pretty or perfect. I don't think there is a specific mount for kydex knife sheaths on an IBA, but I may be wrong.

I can snap photos. But I jury rigged it on with 550 para for the time being. Just wondering if there is a manuafcturer that makes a mounting system I can attatch to the two kydex sheaths I own.

[HoboWithAK]

I can snap photos. But I jury rigged it on with 550 para for the time being. Just wondering if there is a manuafcturer that makes a mounting system I can attatch to the two kydex sheaths I own.

Doubt it if it is custom made. Why don't you just sew yourself up a nylon carrier for the kydex, and put the MOLLE attachments on the nylon? That way you won't have to mess with a custom kydex sheath. I'm not sure how you'd really attach anything securely to Kydex, either. Although, I don't work with plastics.

[TacoDelRio]

Mind if I suggest contacting the manufacturer as to directions on mounting it to your vest or whatnot?

[Masai]

I have noticed that a lot of new assult rifles still have a bayonet attachment below te barrel. Are bayonets still used in modern combat ? I think that space could be used a lot better.

and when was the last bayonet charge anyone knows of ?

[TacoDelRio]

Last use of bayonets was in Iraq, rather recently.

A bayonet lug takes up next to no space on most rifles, and doesn't weigh much. For an AK, for example, the bayonet itself is of useful design for usual mundane work in the field, yet it can be attached to your rifle to do some "other" work if you run low on boolits.

I'd rather have it. The space being used for something else, well, I'd rather just have an AKM with a Surefire light, and that's it. Less is more kinda sorta.

I say keep it.

[Buckeye67]

If I remember correctly, May 2004 in Iraq, the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders killed 35 iraqi combatants in a bayonet charge.

It'll be some time, if ever, before the bayonet is "obsolete".

[TacoDelRio]

Sharp stabby objects that can be used to poke holes in people so red liquid comes out will never be obsolete. :)


I understand different weapons have different bayonet mounting "systems", but as far as my favorites go, they're all worth keeping.

[Buckeye67]

When it comes down to it, regardless of what kind of gizmos they come up with to fight wars - in the end it takes a guy with a rifle in a pair of boots to hold a piece of ground.

Inevitably, during an armed conflict, other guys with rifles in boots are going to try to take that piece of ground away from them. When that happens, eventually, it's going to come down to rifle butts and bayonets.

[TacoDelRio]

Damn straight. With that and buearacrats in mind, do the XM8 or OICW's have bayonet lugs?

[gtronin]

I always wondered why they never used the bayonet lug for other attachments... I know on the Sig 550 you need the bayonet lug to attach the gernade launcher (GWA)...

[Limeyfellow]

The XM8 does have bayonet lugs on it for both lengthed barrels. Apparently this is the one thats been under consideration for the offical bayonet before the XM8 was shelved.

http://www.e-camillusknives.com/products/eCamillus_Bayonets.html

[TacoDelRio]

The XM8 does have bayonet lugs on it for both lengthed barrels. Apparently this is the one thats been under consideration for the offical bayonet before the XM8 was shelved.

http://www.e-camillusknives.com/products/eCamillus_Bayonets.html

I forgot about that one! Man those were expensive!

I'd like to see a bayonet on an M240/L7 GPMG. Hammer of Thor. :bash: (I'm kidding)

[marktigger]

If the gimpy is that close to hand to hand some one has placed it wrongly or things have gone to hell in a handcart.

Fixing bayonets is a good sign of intent it is very psychological for both attackers and defenders. The Serbs in Bosnia were a little shocked whenn at a firepower demo they noticed British troops on final assualt with Bayonets fixed. It is a very powerful message.

[Randomrokottaja]

Bayonet is today only a minor weapon but the old concept still has some benefits. First ones coming hasty to my mind from the dark past are:
-You can use your primary weapon.
-In emergency situation no need to waste valuable time replacing weapon during the fight (for example rifle -> e-tool) you have your rifle and hand-to-hand weapon in the same package.
-You can at the same time use bayonet, use rifle as a club and repel opponent's strikes with rifle which is more difficult for example when using only a knife and bare hands.

Bayonet techniques require also some practise to be able to use them efficiently. Rifle even without a bayonet can be used as an effective hand-to-hand weapon too using very similar techniques, for example sticking with just only a flashider does nice too bayonet fixed or not. Rifle itself has some mass which is useful giving more power to strikes.

[TacoDelRio]

If the gimpy is that close to hand to hand some one has placed it wrongly or things have gone to hell in a handcart.

Fixing bayonets is a good sign of intent it is very psychological for both attackers and defenders. The Serbs in Bosnia were a little shocked whenn at a firepower demo they noticed British troops on final assualt with Bayonets fixed. It is a very powerful message.

X2

Also, bayonet training instills some pride and discipline.

Fixing bayonets as you said does have a psychological impact on both sides. "Here goes" on the fixed side, and "Oh sh*t!" for the enemies. :)

[Randomrokottaja]

If the gimpy is that close to hand to hand some one has placed it wrongly or things have gone to hell in a handcart.

Fixing bayonets is a good sign of intent it is very psychological for both attackers and defenders. The Serbs in Bosnia were a little shocked whenn at a firepower demo they noticed British troops on final assualt with Bayonets fixed. It is a very powerful message.

Instead of that with difficult "customers" we (finns) use to have the command "load!" + charge the weapons. Very rarely used but charging sound uses to have pretty nice effect and gives a very serious signal to local scumbags.

Traditional way with fixing bayonets would be more imposing though.

[quarter-recon]

Bayonets will never be replaced, there is no way a soldier can bitch about the extra pittance of weight.

As mentioned the psychological impact would be a significant advantage.

Unfortunately with the LSW's and the GLA's and the carbine versions fo weapon systems its unfeasable to have the lug. Just use the barrel hard.

As mentioned by skrots it instills discipline and controlled agression in young soldiers that benefits them throughout their whole career.

Hopefully

[quarter-recon]

Bayonets will never be replaced, there is no way a soldier can bitch about the extra pittance of weight.

As mentioned the psychological impact would be a significant advantage.

Unfortunately with the LSW's and the GLA's and the carbine versions fo weapon systems its unfeasable to have the lug. Just use the barrel hard.

As mentioned by skrots it instills discipline and controlled agression in young soldiers that benefits them throughout their whole career.

Hopefully and

[Laconian]

As long as the infantry's mission is to close with & destroy the enemy by means of fire and manuever and close combat, the bayonet will never be obsolete. The training and mindset of bayonet work is the most basic of the warrior spirit.

[akmarksman]

Yeah..Nothing more comforting then having a sharp pointy on the end of the barrel when the M16 gas system decides to go mammaries up in MOUT.
Also it could be used as a less-than-lethal option before pulling the trigger in hostage or interrogation scenario. (stick it and click it)

[akmarksman]

ductape?..would that work?

[Vandervahn]

A bayonet has other uses. They are often mounted during (honorary) guard duty, for example to be seen with the british Queen´s Guard. This, among other things, reflects on the bayonets´ usefulness as a crowd-control tool. They are also regularly used to keep prisoners at bay. Experience says that once a shot is fired, every tense situation can go to hell. So its better to threaten the aggressor with that pointy edge.

Bayonets are also useful to examine things that you´d rather not touch... be it stabbing a corpse to look if it REALLY is a corpse and not a faker, poking that stash of straw to look whether there isnt some one inside without getting into knife´s range of someone insde etc... Bayonets are definately multi-purpose tools, moreso than the firearms themselves.

[Blarney]

Truly though, I mounted a SOG SEAL Pup to my FSBE a while ago....cut one of the chambers for the width and then 550 the bottom in any way (preferably around a chamber...) you can...most Kydex sheaths have holes on the edge....so it shouldnt be much a problem.

[Durandal]

I have noticed that a lot of new assult rifles still have a bayonet attachment below te barrel. Are bayonets still used in modern combat ? I think that space could be used a lot better.

and when was the last bayonet charge anyone knows of ?

I know bayonets were used in the current Iraq conflict and the Marines used 'em in Vietnam in several charges (which I am assuming we are considering "Modern")

[ShakesFIST]

I know bayonets were used in the current Iraq conflict and the Marines used 'em in Vietnam in several charges (which I am assuming we are considering "Modern")

Thats ancient history. The Vietnam war was like 400 years ago. Don't sleep through history class next time geez... ;)

[imadazhell]

Mind if I suggest contacting the manufacturer as to directions on mounting it to your vest or whatnot?

He wasnt really any help. I emailed him about it, after his website said it was a MOLLE compatible mount that it came with. No way, no how could I get it to attatch to the 1" wide webbing straps that are standard MOLLE size.

[imadazhell]

ductape?..would that work?

100mph tape will ALWAYS work!
But its not what I want on my rig. I already have it cobbled on with stripped 550 paracord. Just want to get something more professional.

[Hollis]

Bayonets.......... have one big thing going for them, it is a psychological weapon.

Do some pugel stick competition, the guy with the knife generally wins. Even in the American Civil war.... do a search and find out how many casualties were from a Bayonet.

In the front stuffer days, it mad a unloaded musket into a pike, See the British Square. Those days are long gone. Most of the use for Bayonets in the CW was, candle stick holder, entrenching tool, and can opener.

for crowd control the bayonet is more threatening than just the rifle... for some reason people can visualize themself getting stuck way before gettign shot.

needed to add, bayonet fighting makes GREAT MOVIE scenes.........

[Hollis]

Thats ancient history. The Vietnam war was like 400 years ago. Don't sleep through history class next time geez... ;)

Bayonet charge in RVN, which movie was that in, I never had a bayonet in RVN, I doubt if 50 % of my company did either............ as for as action, Google, Mutter's Ridge,

do you have the incident they were used......... I was on the D in '69. outside of crowd control, I don't see it really being used.

[Scrim]

Plus, charging and stabbing bayonet dummies is by far the most fun part of Bootcamp. What?

[Sabre]

I have noticed that a lot of new assult rifles still have a bayonet attachment below te barrel. Are bayonets still used in modern combat ? I think that space could be used a lot better.

and when was the last bayonet charge anyone knows of ?

'Bayonet charges' as the media like to call them don't happen. A bayonet charge was in the final stages of closing with the enemy in the days of horse and shot. A unit would advance in line, stopping to fire at the enemy unit also neatly in line, until they were too close to reload their muskets. Then the unit would charge with their bayonets levelled.

This did not happen in Iraq!!!! The media latched onto the fact that the soldiers had fixed bayonets and some had used them in fighting through the insurgent positions. There was no bayonet charge as such.

The bayonet is still issued because it is intended to be used as a back-up in the fight-through. It has its place in the section attack, and the only thing that's special about the action in Iraq is that it illustrates how rare it is to conduct classic section attacks these days.

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

I personally think bayonets are a useless anachronism. only around half, probably less, of a modern western infantry section/squad even have bayonets, so it would be a pretty pityfull "charge".

How many men in a Brit section? is it 8? if so, then let's see:

2 guys have L86LSW, no bayonet lugs.
2 guys have Minimis, no bayonet lugs
2 guys have AG36, == no bayonet.

That leaves how many guys with bayonets? And you need someone to drive the truck and operate the GPMG on to too.

The FN SCAR has no bayonet lug. That should tell you something.

[Hollis]

what do you call a bayonet that is not on a rifle......?


Knife.......I think there will always be a knife in the soldiers kit. It is a very useful tool.

[bluffcove]

Without wanting to disclose too much.

with charlie suppressing and delya working toward the objective the assaulting pair are going to be the only guys getting ugly anyway.

Bayonets are necesary the alternatives are much more costly in terms of combat. Ask an Argentinian what they made of the british in the falklands? It is a powerful effective and necessary tool.

[Blarney]

The XM8 does have bayonet lugs on it for both lengthed barrels. Apparently this is the one thats been under consideration for the offical bayonet before the XM8 was shelved.

http://www.e-camillusknives.com/products/eCamillus_Bayonets.html

wow, a Camillus...never saw that one coming.

[Blarney]

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7544/airsoft0303lh.jpg

keep in mind, I dont use this setup anymore, nor do I recommend it...but thats an example...

[imadazhell]

Blarney, you dont happen to have pictures showing how you did the attatchment do you, something more close-up?

[sergey31]

Even non military issue plastic Kel Tec has bayonet
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/big/su16D_01.jpg
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/big/kfb_01.jpg
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/big/kfb_04.jpg

[CSAR]

Does bayonet have any impact on accuracy of M16/M4?

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

Without wanting to disclose too much.

with charlie suppressing and delya working toward the objective the assaulting pair are going to be the only guys getting ugly anyway.

Bayonets are necesary the alternatives are much more costly in terms of combat. Ask an Argentinian what they made of the british in the falklands? It is a powerful effective and necessary tool.


It's not like the Argentinians didn't have bayonets themselves, they even had the same rifles. I think the fact that the British were a)much better shots and b)actually practiced the fire and movement thing had a lot more to it than sharp pointy rifles.

Oh, and bayonets don't handle ceramic plates very well.

[marktigger]

a bayonet will alter the point of balance and will add some stresses to the muzzle. When I did my infantry training in the days of the SLR we fired with it on the range to see how to aim of to compensate.
Interesting to see people saying the British section can't use bayonets as they have been used twice in Iraq since the war once by the PWRR and as has been mentioned here by one of the Jock regiments. I think the PWRR used them in Bosnia as well.
There was an interesting bit on a radio 4 programme on military psychiatry where the reporter went to ATR Catterick were infanteers are trained and he attended a course doing CQB and Bayonet training

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/allinthemind.shtml

The programme is on listen again.

The NCO taking the class explained the relevance of the Bayonet so I love Rachel cook leigh give it a listen you may actually learn something.

[marktigger]

It's not like the Argentinians didn't have bayonets themselves, they even had the same rifles. I think the fact that the British were a)much better shots and b)actually practiced the fire and movement thing had a lot more to it than sharp pointy rifles.

Oh, and bayonets don't handle ceramic plates very well.

The Argies didn't have the same rifles and they did have bayonets

Argies had the FN FAL made in metric measurements fully automatic and had socket type bayonets.

British Had SLR imperial measurents semi automatic and Knife type Bayonet.

THe difference was British standard of Training and leadership at Junior officer and Junior NCO level.

Its amazing what effect 4-6 inches of blade on the end of a rifle carried by a soldier with a bit of 'Guts and Drive' can do

[quarter-recon]

I personally think bayonets are a useless anachronism. only around half, probably less, of a modern western infantry section/squad even have bayonets, so it would be a pretty pityfull "charge".

How many men in a Brit section? is it 8? if so, then let's see:

2 guys have L86LSW, no bayonet lugs.
2 guys have Minimis, no bayonet lugs
2 guys have AG36, == no bayonet.

That leaves how many guys with bayonets? And you need someone to drive the truck and operate the GPMG on to too.

The FN SCAR has no bayonet lug. That should tell you something.

In our 9 man sections 4 would be without lugs (not counting carbines), but you can still use a barrel to some success...
Personally I would rather a knife if he and I both were out of ammunition.

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

Yes, I'm sure the Argentinian conscripts really appreciated the difference between metric and imperial FALs. That just blows my argument out of the water, it really does. Besides, the Argentinian bayonets were longer, right? So wy didn't they win?

You think I've never done bayonet training? Have you ever done a bayonet assault course with body armour and plate inserts?

Ah well, apparently some people around here think our ICE jackets are a good piece of kit too. Dfferent strokes.