Knives, bayonets, multi tools, daggers and other pointy implements.

[FozzieBear]

my mate in cadets found a knife exactly the same as that buried on a path on a MOD training site needless to say hes still got it :P n its going strong.

[ansonau]

my mate in cadets found a knife exactly the same as that buried on a path on a MOD training site needless to say hes still got it :P n its going strong.
The WW2 knife has been buried on a path !! I think that is unlucky knifep-)

[Thumpsquid]

the swiss army knfe is manufactured by Victorinox (they make the red ones too)... the silver one is the army version of it.
you might find it strange, that the cross has a different shape than usual even if it is victorinox
Wenger makes pocket knives too. they look similar to the ones that victorinox makes > but the cross is different.

I think I remember reading somewhere that the Swiss Army has 2 knives. something to do with protestants and catholics. so one has the cross in red the other in white? I admit I may be on very shakey ground, but that is what I heard.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

btw I'm swiss! (and no. that is not the reason for the word cheese being in my signature!)

I know that the two major brands for the "swiss army knives" are Wenger and Victorinox.

The ones supplied to the Army are Victorinox.

The Victorinox logo usually looks like this:

http://www.360ok.com/samples/modeling/victorinox/i/logo.gif

although this is a Victorinox knife the logo is different on the official army one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Couteau_suisse.jpg

and this is the Wenger logo:

http://www.hiking-site.nl/graphics/fotos/foto_messen_wenger.jpg

EDIT: I would have posted the pics right away, in stead of making links... but i don't know how

[oldsoak]

Yes thats an old British military knife. The broad arrow is the British acceptance mark. The style has been around since before WW2 and these stainless ones where mainly to stop them rusting while fighting in asia. If it was a copy its likely not to have the broad arrow on it. I perfer the ones with the bakalite handles though for a better grip. Some later WW2 ones lost the marlin spike, but was restored to the design after the war.

Heres a bit of useless info - I was on ex a few years back in Singapore and went into their equivalent of a Garrison PRI shop - lo behold, there was the clasp knife on sale ! On closer examination, it was a copy, complete with broad arrow markings ! - and it was like the photo. If you look at the lettering, its not as good, and the screwdriver is rounded off compared with the genuine issue.

[bluffcove]

Come on now mate ..... anyone would have thought you were in the navy with chat like that :)! Not that theres anything wrong with the navy ...............!

Dont talk soft! there is a lot wrong with the Navy. If I want to sit at a computer then Ill do it somewhere that I wont burn drown or get seasickness!

[Sneeker]

Ive been using this pocket knife for the past 3 months and I absolutlie love it. It dosent have everything like a leatherman Wave but for somthing that is light and has a nice quick blade and a few tools on the side this sure kicks the hell out of a swiss army knife.
Here is the Link for other models. I cant say enough good stuff about this new line.
http://www.leatherman.com/products/knives/default.asp

http://www.leatherman.com/images/products/knives/e302-e303-diagram.jpg

[goat89]

Looks pretty nice. But I like a good old combat knife...like the KA-Bar. :)

[Sneeker]

Dose a Kabar fit into your pocket? Im talking about a pocket knife here, not a 7" gutting stick.

[Sneeker]

This knife is for every day use, somthing you can carry on you and have it not be considered a concieled wepon. Somthing convenient yet big enough to do the job and this is that knife. I think it beats the crap out of the Swiss army knife. alot slimer, a better blade / locking blade. I just really like this knife and im recomending it to everyone who cares.

[goat89]

Got a good point. Didnt read it properly. Sorry. Still it looks damn cool. Is this very new? Maybe my dad would like to buy it.

[Sneeker]

Its fairly new i bought it a few months ago and havent had a problem. Best part is, this model is only $38 canadian. I really like the smooth blade and the thumb notch, the blade opens smoothly and like a switch blade.

[ed316]

I carry a gun instead.

[BadKarma26]

I carry a gun instead.

yah but your gun can't open a beer....or hang a picture frame :)

[AFJROTC55]

i have a friend who carries one of those, really pleased with it, but here;s my baby

anything that cant be done with this just isnt worth bein done

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/EMANAFPJ/a46c9d71.jpg


best knife i've ever had, im lookin into a KBar, TDI, really cool lookin, and real fast on the draw.

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[ed316]

Magazine well to open beer and put up a pic frame. Then again that's just me. I do keep a Spyderco in my glove compartment just in case.

[Sneeker]

What about unscrewing your ... bolt?
I dont know where i was going with that. Sorry

[goat89]

C$38? Thats pretty cheap!

[Sneeker]

Yeah, it aint mad cheep though. I got it at the mountain coop in edmonton.

[goat89]

Oh you in Edmonton? Will check the mountain coop store in dt Vancouver. Thx.

[Sneeker]

Ya im in edmonton. And No problem at all.

[Exer]

A gun CAN open a beer, just not as efficient as a opener.

[goat89]

Haha! Indeed. But wont you lose alot of beer in the process?

[maw]

420 stainless steel... nuff said.

best military oriented production (non-custom) folder right now is probably a lone wolf harsey t3. thing is built like a tank. partial serrations are really useful. emerson cqc-8 has to get a honorable mention. as does the blade-tech pro hunter series. if the budget is really tight then swing for the crkt m16 series as already posted.

[goat89]

Heard about the emerson one. Heard its quite good.

[East Scout]

Dose a Kabar fit into your pocket? Im talking about a pocket knife here, not a 7" gutting stick.

LOL Nothing like a good pocket knife...I do love my Ka-bar though..never go to the bush w/o it..

ES

[Adam Wilhelm]

and real fast on the draw.

Then you have never tried any Emerson with a wave, have you? p-)
http://www.emersonknives.com/pics/knives/Super7/LG/022304Super_CQC7Lg.jpg

For the moment i carry a Emerson Super CQC-7 but a CQC-8 is definetly on my to buy list.

[Hispeed1]

Adam, if you like the Emerson CQC7, try holding a Benchmade full sized stryker. It's very ergonomic. . .

[silveykyle]

Anyone have any recommendations on neck knives or concealable back up knives, I was thinkin about getting a Mercworx push dagger but I was wondering if there was anything of good quality for cheaper, Thanks.

[AFJROTC55]

well, what kind of business you into, can kind a guage what your uses would be,

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[Deicide]

http://www.bestknives.com/emlagrif.html
http://www.donrearic.com/emersonlagriffe.html
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/2292/grifferev.htm

[FozzieBear]

http://www.hideawayknife.com/main.php

[jugo1]

I am looking to purchase one with some clothing allowance money. Any advice? Brands to stay away from? Good or bad on-line dealers.
Thank you.

[AFJROTC55]

well, i dont know about where you live, but any place of any reput will not sell to you if you cant show them a Badge/Badge#/Dept. Letterhead, or your Military ID/serial number. considering most states it's illegal to own one.

so after we've established that, then you can move into what you need or want

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[wamp]

For Maine....

Maine - Chapter. 43 17-A Section 1055. 1. A person is guilty
of trafficking in dangerous knives, if providing he has no
right to do so, he knowingly manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, or knowingly possesses, displays, offers,
sells, lends, gives away or purchases any knife which has
a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied
to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the
knife, or any knife having a blade which opens or falls or
is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an
outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement. 2.
Trafficking in dangerous knives is a Class D crime.

39-17-1307. Unlawful carrying or possession of a weapon.

(a) (1) A person commits an offense who carries with the intent to go armed a firearm, a knife with a blade length exceeding four inches (4"), or a club

[AFJROTC55]

...ice cold...

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[jugo1]

I have the credentials. Just looking for opinions on the hardware.

[ctcboy]

I used to own a Kershaw blur. It's not a true switch blade it's an assisted opener. That means you initiate the opening process by moving the blade slightly in the same way as any conventional one handed opener. Once the blade has moved slightly the mechanism takes over and opens it pretty damn quick. It's a very nice knife and I really liked it.
Here is a link to their site: http://www.kershawknives.com/large.htm

[ctcboy]

I own a Spyderco SPOT neck knife. I dont think Spyderco makes them anymore but you can still get them. I've been pretty happy with it. It's very lightweight and I can comfortabley wear it for hourd without even knowing it is there. Heres a link: http://jaxknives.com/spycfb08s.html

Ka Bar also makes one called the TDI, which I do own and am happy with. Although not speciffically made to be concealed one could use it as such pretty easily. https://www.kabar.com

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

anyone know a good site that sells 'em for a decent price? i tried the knivesplus.com site, but they don't have any :( I wanted the Boker Kalashnikov auto blade

[ctcboy]

I carry a buck/strider SBT Police Advocate. Its a pretty tough knife for the price. I cant afford a real Strider yet but Im working on it.

[Pidyon Shevuyim]

http://www.1sks.com/store/boker-kals74b-auto-conversion.html

[Sinfulcurves_AK107]

those knives are freakin expensive :( all like $200

i have that knife, but isnt auto, i can convert it if i do what it says? or do i gotta buy that one

[Eddy]

I want a microtech halo :-(

[ctcboy]

I want a microtech halo :-(
That would be very cool!

[East Scout]

Ive seen first hand Benchmade switchblades at work..In salt water, swamp enviroments w/ sand and everything else under the sun jammed in it and it works flawless.......Kept its edge too..

ES

[East Scout]

those knives are freakin expensive :( all like $200

i have that knife, but isnt auto, i can convert it if i do what it says? or do i gotta buy that one

98% of the time you'll get what you pay..Pay junk price, you'll get junk gear...Toss in the $$ you'll get a good peice of gear..

ES

[Adam Wilhelm]

Why a switchblade?
A Emerson with a wave is faster on the draw. A switchblade you must first draw and then press the button to open it.

My 2 cents. :)

[maw]

Why a switchblade?
A Emerson with a wave is faster on the draw. A switchblade you must first draw and then press the button to open it.

My 2 cents. :)

on the draw but not in the presentation. for the wave to work the blade has to be in the pocket. with something like a halo you can have the knife out in plain sight but it won't look like a blade until the moment you need to deploy it. drawing from the strong side pocket isn't the fastest place to draw from. think about it. why did iai-jutsu practising samurai carry their wakizashi weak side tip down, their tanto on the weak side sometimes inverted and a kiridashi in the sleeve on their weak side...

[tf_echelon]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/ratamacue01/cos?full=1


i cant figure out what kind of knife this is


can any of you guys?

[AFJROTC55]

initially i wanna say a CRKT Desert Cruiser, let me check quick.

yep. CRKT Desert Cruiser, a bad a** knife


http://www.crkt.com/dsrtcrsr.html
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[tf_echelon]

thats what i thought, but it looked like a fixed blade so i thought differently.

anyway thanks,
Tf_Echelon

[AFJROTC55]

no problem

i own several CRKT knives, i know them pretty well

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[tf_echelon]

lookin for suggestions for a replacment for my KaBar (its really worn down)

[tf_echelon]

do you know of a good fixed blade, im lookin to replace my KaBar.
my Kabar has seen better days (blades worn down to nothin').

[AFJROTC55]

my carry knife is not auto, (obviously), i have a CRKT M16-13Z, it has a spine stud for fast opening, it's faster than alot of autos i've seen,i get people all the time that ask if its a switch when i open it, my personal thoughts on autos are, unless you get a real hi end one, it just has more parts to get broken when you dont need them to, i would try to find one that you can open one handed and is easy to open w/out a spring, thats just me.

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[AFJROTC55]

well, how big are you lookin?

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[tf_echelon]

well.... kabar size but slimmer (the big bulky handle on the Kabar is anoying) id say like a 5 to 7 inch blade. i dont really have a preference about blade style just as long as its not a tanto tip.

[AFJROTC55]

gotcha, let me dig some sites here quick.

hope these work, if you need more, let me know


http://www.uscav.com/Category.aspx?CatID=11&TabID=1

http://www.galls.com/category2.html?assort=general_catalog&cat=2937

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/Knives-C72.aspx

http://www.worldwideknives.com/knives.html

http://www.rangerjoes.com/tactical-gear-knives-tools-c-600_605.html

http://www.coldsteel.com/fixed-blades.html

http://www.crkt.com/

http://www.ontarioknife.com/catalog.html

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[tf_echelon]

hey thanks.

do you know anything about the Blackwater drop point knife?
i heard somewhere that it was "good"

[AFJROTC55]

yeah, they're a good solid knife, if you're gonna put it to some use, its a good investment, blade holds sharp pretty long, rugged, practical, i would reccomend to anyone who actually has a use for one.

http://www.blackwatergear.com/c-14-fixed-blade.aspx

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[tf_echelon]

and beleive me i do, the Kabar i was issued looks like hell after what i put it through.


thanks for the info,
Tf_echelon

[Sneeker]

What was wrong with your Ka-bar, Why dont you just buy another one?

[tf_echelon]

the blades worn down (i mean its missing metal after re sharpening it so much)

and i never really liked the big fat grip they have.

[Sneeker]

If you have a pic of your Ka-bar that would be sweet. Id love to see it.

[Sneeker]

Hmm. Ive got an Ontario Pilot servival Knife. Never had any problems with it. Im not in the military but i spent time in the bush and have used it alot.

[tf_echelon]

id put pics up but the cameras broken... but its the basic combo edge Black KaBar.

the serrated edge works great for cutting wires and rope and it holds a good edge but its a pain in the a** to sharpen.

[Roaming East]

I sharpen mine no problem with a standard preset carbide sharpener. course i dont have the serrated edge model. A good alternative as said is the USAF or Army survival knife. easy to sharpen and holds the edge well. i have mine in my mobility bag somewhere...

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

i use the Spyderco sharpening stones - it'll make a machete as sharp as a razor blade! p-)

seriously, it's a great thing... it even enables sharpening serrated edges, darts and what ever. (cost's ~50$)

you want a knife?! how tight is your budget?

[Adam Wilhelm]

maw: You are absolutely right but that´s the only advantage IMHO.
Previously i carried a Benchmade 520 Presidio and sheeple thougt it was a switchblade when i flipped it open. :)
It was that fast to open.

AFJROTC55 got a important point, more part can break in an auto.
Remember KISS.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Good materials: 154CM steel, G10 handles and Kydex sheath.
And let´s not forget it´s made by Benchmade.

[1feral1]

After over 30yrs in uniform in two armies, I have carried many types, from Issue FN (C1) A1 bayonet , theC7 (Canadian M7) bayonet, to ADF contract Buck M9's too.

I've owned and carried a Ka-Bar, Ek, Camilus generic 5" bladed ACSK (Air Crew Survival Knife) to name a few, but for the past two years, I have been carrying a Camilus (new production) M3 in an M8A1 scabbard on the south African M83 LBV in AUSCAM DPCU.

Since my issue weapon is now an ADI F88S-C, (carbine with Picatinny rail) there is no provison for a bayonet.

I like the M3, its blade suits me, the design is proven and trusted for 70 years, and good old fashioned leather grip holds up well in the tropical humidity as well as the deserts of the dusty outback. The US M8A1 scabs, are very robust, and both the knife and scabbard handle the robustness of Australia's harsh climate quite well.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Wes

[fent63]

I got lucky and since I'm going into the Marines my grandpa got me the Becnchmade Model 141 Nimravus Tanto (141SBK). Seems really sturdy and good size also it has a Molle Sheath which I'll get later. Company price is $162.00

[maw]

the glock knife is cheap and you can get one with serrations. you'd be suprised how many hsld types carry one. if you want something a litte more stout check out the becker knive and tool line now owned by camillus:
http://www.camillusknives.com/1mainframe.htm?bkt/index.shtml~main
http://www.camillusknives.com/1mainframe.htm?bkt/index.shtml~main
the Combat Utility 7 • #BK7 in particular appears to be popular with grunts.

if you want to spend more then that then you enter the territory of names like tops, swamp rat, busse, strider and so on. at that point preference is a personal choice and becomes subjective. just remember to stay away from stainless steel. also, remember that althoug a large fcuk off knife is sexy and appealing, when out humping/tabbing up and down trails ounces become pounds. unless you're in the navy and as such are in need of ballast, lol.

[maw]

Adam's right about the kiss principle. folders and autos can flake on you if they get crud or junk in the mechanism. you might want to consider going with a small fixed blade like a strider eb?

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

if you're going to spend that amount of money (like the hill knife posted by brabo), you might consider buying a Chris Reeve knife!

i've got the green beret knife (yarborough)... and it's solid alright!
i'm not a soldier or anything, but the thing doesn't look like it's gonna break any time soon ;-)

simple piece of metal with g-10 grips screwed on it... bit like a strider knife. just with rubber grips instead of a cord wrapped around it. at least you can be sure that you won't ever be holding just the grip in your hand and the blade -- well -- whereever :roll:

http://www.chrisreeve.com/greenberet.htm

[ZaakM433]

http://striderknives.com/
Strider Knives, really good stuff. They use flat grinding and nice crucible steel S30V.

Gerber Silver Trident is also nice, depending on what you want.

You could also try Cold Steel, Busse, Swamp Rat, Benchmade, Fallkniven, list goes on.

Try http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/reviews.html for a few reviews of pretty good quality.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Ahum... that´s not G-10, it´s black canvas micarta. p-)

tf_echelon: how about that Blackwater drop point you were interested in?
Benchmade, 154CM, G-10 and Kydex. That sounds like a good knife.

Or why not a Fallkniven F1 or S1?
These are good knives with good materials, not as sexy as the Blackwater knife but what the... :)
F1 and S1 is also approved by the USN for flying.
I carry an F1 on my vest when i´m out on exercises .

Fallkniven (http://www.fallkniven.se/next-index.htm)

[Jurpula]

I have a Glock 81 great knife and it has a bottle opener:)
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2234/dipa112vc0.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dipa112vc0.jpg)

[tf_echelon]

ive looked at the Benchmade Nimravus and the Blackwater knife and i have to say im leaning twords the Nimravus, only because ive had Benchmade knives inthe past and was very impressed... and its in my price range ($0-$150, any more than that and ill feal like i have to put it behind glass and only look at it)

i also looked at the Trident by Gerber and was impressed design wise, but again the cost got to me.


thanks for all of you help guys (and girls if needed),
Tf_Echelon

[Seraphim]

ive looked at the Benchmade Nimravus and the Blackwater knife and i have to say im leaning twords the Nimravus, only because ive had Benchmade knives inthe past and was very impressed... and its in my price range ($0-$150, any more than that and ill feal like i have to put it behind glass and only look at it)

i also looked at the Trident by Gerber and was impressed design wise, but again the cost got to me.


thanks for all of you help guys (and girls if needed),
Tf_Echelon

Check out ebay for good deals in the Nimravus. Ask what sheath it comes with. The newer models all come with a clothe molle compatible sheath instead of the straight up kydex.

[Roaming East]

Depends on the climate with the Glock knives. Ive only encountered two of them, one back in Mississippi with the local Seabees group out at Gulfport, and one of them here in SC with NG. Both were suffering from what the owners described as corrosion. I wouldnt want a knife that cant handle 100% humidity that well

[tf_echelon]

yeah my brother had a vintage USMC WWII Kabar and the handle rotted and crumbled off because of the hummidity at Lejune (N.C.)

which is exactly why ill stick with polymer handles insted of compressed leather disks

[Pook2]

if you're going to spend that amount of money (like the hill knife posted by brabo), you might consider buying a Chris Reeve knife!

i've got the green beret knife (yarborough)... and it's solid alright!
i'm not a soldier or anything, but the thing doesn't look like it's gonna break any time soon ;-)

simple piece of metal with g-10 grips screwed on it... bit like a strider knife. just with rubber grips instead of a cord wrapped around it. at least you can be sure that you won't ever be holding just the grip in your hand and the blade -- well -- whereever :roll:

http://www.chrisreeve.com/greenberet.htm

Good Choice. Yarborough got buried in an artillery shell, his ashes I mean.

[ZaakM433]

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i also looked at the Trident by Gerber and was impressed design wise, but again the cost got to me.

Cheapest would be about $170, can be kind of expensive depending on what you are going to be using it for and how much money you are pulling in.

The Benchmade Nimravus has seen some good reviews, its a nice looking knife too.

1 review: http://zknives.com/knives/fixed/prod/nimravus.shtml. Im not sure if that is a standard Nimravus or not. I haven never owned a Benchmade so I cant really comment. I didnt thoroughly read the review, but it looks like he compares it to a Strider folder, thats really not a fair comparison price wise and most of the strider knives start at $350+ (and they just recently dropped their prices a hundred dollars down from 450+).





simple piece of metal with g-10 grips screwed on it... bit like a strider knife. just with rubber grips instead of a cord wrapped around it.
You can get a Strider with G-10 slabs, and what you are talking about is often the preferred method of construction.

[Adam Wilhelm]

simple piece of metal with g-10 grips screwed on it... bit like a strider knife. just with rubber grips instead of a cord wrapped around it.

G10 is not rubber.

As Seraphim wrote, with the Nimravus you have a coice between Kydex and a nylon MOLLE-compatible sheath. But you can also choose beteween aluminum or G10 scales.
And with or without serrations.... the list seems endless. :)


ive looked at the Benchmade Nimravus and the Blackwater knife and i have to say im leaning twords the Nimravus

May i ask why?
These 2 knifes are exactly the same knife, The only difference is the serrations.

Benchmade Nimravus 140 (http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=140)

[czr]

Why not just get a new Kabar? I have a few, those knives never get old.

[Jurpula]

Depends on the climate with the Glock knives. Ive only encountered two of them, one back in Mississippi with the local Seabees group out at Gulfport, and one of them here in SC with NG. Both were suffering from what the owners described as corrosion. I wouldnt want a knife that cant handle 100% humidity that well

That is somewhat of a problem, but if you remember to clean the knife properly it'll serve you long and well.

[ZaakM433]

I thought Glock knives were made out of steel that has more corrosion resistance (440A perhaps) and bshould have handled corrosion better than high-end knives because the higher-end knives sacrifice corrosion resistance for other desirable qualities like wear resistance and hardness. Though I havent looked at the Glock knives in a very long time, please correct me if im wrong, that just seemed very suprising.

[Jurpula]

I think the blade is carbon-steel, it's soft and rusts easily but is easier to sharpen. I might be wrong though, if someone knows better, please tell me.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

@ adam wilhelm and zaak:

sorry. the whole handle thing is my mistake.

the stuff is called: black canvas micarta! whatever the hell that is?!

either way. the 7" green beret knife is fantastic. the grips (whatever they may be) are very comfortable to hold and provide a great grip... even with sweaty hands!
the edges of the blade/metal are all perfectly rounded off (on the grip side obviously).
the thing has great balance, the blade is thick/ strong, the coating doesn't reflect or rust, the thing is rock solid, it has serrations and is delivered with a blackhawk sheath.

["Royal-with-Cheese"]

double post! sorry

[CFMIKE]

IVE got a nice Kershaw fixed blade, its got serations at the top and a sweet black rubber slip free grip i like it cuts through rope like a breeze to.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Micarta is actually layers of canvas (cotton), linen or paper bonded together with a resin.

[Besuro]

Why do both the knives in the photos (CRKT and Leatherman) have the belt clip made the wrong way (with the belt clip pointing the same was as the blade's tip)? Is there some legal reason or what?

With my Spyderco clipped on the inside of the front pocket of my jeans, it sits just slightly above where my hand naturally hangs. In one smooth, not very noticeable motion, I can draw and open while keeping it out of sight next to my leg. It's so natural and easy, I figured the knives with the backwards clip were purposely made to prevent this ease of use.

With the clip on backwards, like the knives pictured, you have to pull it up and all the way out with two fingers, then turn the knife 180 degrees to open the blade while trying to reposition your hand. Awkward and probably makes one more ****e to accidentally dropping the knife while transitioning from draw to open.

I think my next upgrade will be to and HK Axis, which still has the clip made the right way, but I thought someone here might know why so many places have switched to the inverted clip.

Thanks.

[ZaakM433]

Micarta is actually layers of canvas (cotton), linen or paper bonded together with a resin.

Its a very useful phenolic plastic impregnated with the above listed materials.

[Roaming East]

regardless, i put a light coating of oil on both of my knives to prevent corrosion.

[paul13usa]

Check out the Rat series of knifes by Jeff Randall made by Ontario

[Jurpula]

I've heard a lot of good things about that blade, especially with the guys who skin animals...

[LaoSexMachine]

lookin for suggestions for a replacment for my KaBar (its really worn down)

No such thing. Sharpen it and give it some good once over with oil.

[Jurpula]

No such thing. Sharpen it and give it some good once over with oil.

SAme goes with the Glock...

[LaoSexMachine]

SAme goes with the Glock...

He's just trying to find an excuse to buy a knife.

[paul13usa]

He's just trying to find an excuse to buy a knife.

Never needed that one,excuse that is

[Jurpula]

He's just trying to find an excuse to buy a knife.

Well that's an excuse for not buying a Glock:roll:

[Roaming East]

we still talking about knives here right?

[tf_echelon]

no im not trying to find an reason to buy a knife, the blade on my Kabar has chunks bitten out of it which makes it very hard to sharpen.
ive had the knife for like 3 or 4 years i figured it was time to retire it, its been through enough.



oh and the thing i liked about the Benchmade over the Blackwater was the position of the serrations, i dont like to have to change my grip to use them.

[tf_echelon]

ive never really liked the grip on the thing, too big and bulky. im looking for a knife with a true "full tang" design that has still maneged to have a slender grip. and the kabar is freakin huge, im mean what real reason is there to have a freakin 7" blade (esspecially when the heart is only 2 inches beneath the skin, if one where so inclind to......... you know...... "off"..... a "bad" guy.

[tf_echelon]

altough i will say the KaBar is one sexy knife......... but to each his own.... you know.

[Jurpula]

Well the Glock's blade is soft so it's easy to sharpen...

[ZaakM433]

No such thing. Sharpen it and give it some good once over with oil.

What if it looks like a screwdriver he has used it and sharpened it so much?

[jipman]

Somehow I doubt that :roll:

[Mike762]

+1 on the fixed blade but microtech are great switchblades (have 4 of them):)

[Mike762]

Whats your price range?

[Roaming East]

Somehow I doubt that :roll:
oh i dont know. my dad has a filet knife thats older than me thats been sharpened down to a stiletto. still cuts damn nice too

[czr]

I hear ya about practicality of the size, the Kabar is an icon though. This is my first time seeing that Drop Point knife, looks very deadly Im considering getting one myself.

[tf_echelon]

i already found the knife im going to get.



thanks for all the help,
Tf_echelon

[tf_echelon]

cheers to that, but there are other implecations for the Kabar like: mine probe, hammer, pry bar, can opener, and my favorite... map scale.

[panzerjager]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/joyride66/gunknife.jpg

I searched and didn't find anything like this.

[Whitcomb]

=-O holy crap!

[Pook2]

haha, pistol mounted bayonet.

[Seraphim]

How about on a real pistol ;)

http://www.stiguns.com/USPress/Gun&Ammo/Comp1911/BookOf1911-05P7.1_640w.jpg

[Hollis]

There was a boarding pistol, maybe a flint lock that had a "blade attached"... just goes to show you how far a dude will go to accessorizes his firearms.

Maybe the female version is to have 20 pairs of the same shoe, but in all different colors, ??

[ed316]

Why?....................

[Sand Man]

I'm more interested on what the holster would look like.

[panzerjager]

I'm more interested on what the holster would look like.

Good point (pun intended).

[Nevins]

i saw this in a magazine a few months ago

[StukaJr]

I was considering of picking one up - just for the shock value and a photo opp :)

[JTAR7242]

I'm more interested on what the holster would look like.

Eh, there are plenty of open bottomed holsters on the market. They'd just need to fabricate one open bottomed with room for a flashlight (in this case bayonet) mount of reinforced polymer or something.

I wouldn't want to have to quick draw that puppy though, heh.

[Sand Man]

Yep. I imagine you'd slice your thigh or calf open with it.

[RGRBOX]

What a waist of brain power.. to come up with something like that...

[USMC_VA]

eh to bad what are the chances of actaully using that...

[Exer]

Nasty... would be scared of that

[Connor Oz]

What's the point? lol

[Young-kiwi]

Was playing around with one of these the other day.

http://www.horstheld.com/286398.jpg

Very heavy, If the 6 Shots don't work the Bayonet fails , just beat them with it.

[maw]

we have bayonets on long guns which a primarily meant to be used at distance and no one scoffs.
why not on a handgun which is primarily designed to be used at cqb distances. for room clearing or home defense i don't have a problem with it. i'm not sure i'd use it but i ain't scoffing.

[akmarksman]

well there is a company that makes a standoff metal device that mounts to pistols..(Glocks and 1911s)..so you could strike a guy with the muzzle without it going out of battery...

I imagine Blade-Tech could make you a kydex holster.

[martinexsquaddie]

flintlock pistol carbine types 2 shots max then a bayonet makes sense
bayonet on a long arm you got reach and maybe your closing with the enemy.
on a modern pistol you sacrifice the ease of carrying for a not very useful weapon madness

[Chops]

Was playing around with one of these the other day.

http://www.horstheld.com/286398.jpg

Very heavy, If the 6 Shots don't work the Bayonet fails , just beat them with it.

That is sweet man- WTF is it? Want one! :)

Y'all ever seen the Chinese knife with a .22 firing mechanism in the hilt? There was also a Russian version which shot the blade out. As useful as **** on a bull but still cool for curio value...

[Zvucni Efekti]

That is sweet man- WTF is it? Want one! :)

Y'all ever seen the Chinese knife with a .22 firing mechanism in the hilt? There was also a Russian version which shot the blade out. As useful as **** on a bull but still cool for curio value...

http://www.arms-museum.tula.ru/images/photonew/53_3_.jpg

I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about, but that's the Russian NRS-2, it holds a single shot in the handle, which fires in the opposite direction of the blade. The 7.62x42mm round, designated SP-4, is designed to contain the gases inside the case, so it's silent and flashless.

I doubt it would be very useful, unless you're a Ninja/Spetsnaz.

Edit: Somewhere on Rosoboronexport's website there's a handfull of PDFs loaded with information on everything for this guy to the KA-50-2. They're interesting reads and, if you save them to your PC, you too can pretend to be knowledgable about obscure Russian equipment. ;)

[Sabre]

I'm more interested on what the holster would look like.

Well you sure as hell wouldn't be tucking it down ya troosas! :oops:

[onefast93z28]

Has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen on a handgun....

[maw]

this is a bit of a stretch but think defensive scenario like a home defense encounter, home owner has to sneak around in the dark to make sure the kids are accounted for and the beer is safe , when out of nowhere intruder tries to take the gun...

ah forget all the hypothetical bs, how about something a little more realistic, like when the zombies come, y'all are going to be brain fritters while i'll slicin', dicin' and reloadin'.

[kellen]

Hey I'm looking for a really good knife that will last me a long time i was just wondering what ones are the best?

[goat89]

Ka-Bar, Emerson and Leatherman?

[ToyotaF1Fan]

This is going to be good :)

PS: You may want to give more qualifications than "good" and lasts a long time. IE: What are you going to use it for, what is your budget, etc.....

[a deadly fart]

You got to state what kind of use you are looking for so that we can limit it to a fixblade folder.. brands... etc.

[kellen]

i'm looking for a fixblade

[kellen]

more of a marine or a navy seal knife

[Seraphim]

more of a marine or a navy seal knife

Kids these days...

[Chewy Jada]

anything more than a leatherman is overkill

[TacoDelRio]

Look up the various knife and edged tool forums on the internet. You'll spend about 8 years reading everything, only to come to the conclusion that different knives are made for different jobs and different environments.

Truth be told, you just gotta buy them and find out over time what works. That's how I did it. Then again, I have a ton of knives and I'm not much smarter than the average mildly-retarded bear.

[TacoDelRio]

anything more than a leatherman is overkill

Till you need it.

(Not to start an arguement)

[Göönk]

My prefered knife right now is the OKC-3S because it's good TO SEE, absolutely worthless to use, too big. (see the other topic about knives).
Leatherman is the best for every day use (I'm not a soldier).

[Sabre]

^even if you were a soldier, a leatherman is fine.

Honestly kellen, use the search function on this site to find the many knife threads and look at them first. Knives are like boots, different types for different jobs/environments and even different people. However boots are far more useful in general and worth spending money on! My advice, buy a swiss army knife with scissors on, you'll use them far more than a fixblade. (unless you are ray mears posing as a 16 year old canuck!)

[DeltaWhisky58]

I'm sorry, but this thread is just not viable. Search the various knife threads - there have been many - and then perhaps ask some sensible questions.

[Martin_Riggs]

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/1856/422622305mmppmwph5beum8.th.jpg (http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=422622305mmppmwph5beum8.jpg)

Are there knifes to combine with the plattform of the safariland holster?

[Catch22]

Simply use any kydex sheath and these

http://www.removal-supply.co.uk/pictures/zip_ties_large.jpg

Some guys carry ASP batons there as well. Just make sure you dont get that thing to block your thumbreak or get in the way when you reach for the gun.

[Martin_Riggs]

ok
thanks for info

[Beer Monster]

I remember seeing Deuterium having one attached to his holster in his profile picture. Not sure what make it is though. Might be worth taking a peek and PM him if it's what your after.

[TH_CYRUS50]

totaly off-topic, what rifle is that in the the picture??

-Cy

[Catch22]

Remington M40A3 most probably

[TH_CYRUS50]

thanks for the reply.

-Cy

[Hispeed1]

Get the tan accesory pouch that goes on the Safariland 6004 and a Buck/Strider SBMF folder will fit in it. The tan one with a black blade would go with your gear.

[surferbum]

hi,

My brother recently passed away. He was a retired Army Major flying helos. Well I was tasked with inventorying and selling his extensive knife collection.

He has one 5' blade knife which I goggled some of the words inscribed on it and found the thread on Larry Thorne. Don't know how my brother got the knife or whether he was awarded it or what. The following words are on the knife:

"Lauri Torni SA SISSI" on the pile side.
" Larry Thorne USA 10th SF" on the obverse side.
"29" on the butt cap.
"939-44 952-69" on the bolster.

Do you have any suggestions on finding out more about the knife and what site you would recommend for me to try to sell it to someone who has a real interest in its history?

Thanks.

[Zero The Hero]

Larry Thorne or Lauri Törni was a Finnish war hero who emigrated to the US to join the US Army and later the SF. The knife is of the traditional Finnish "Puukko" type. Because Thorne/Törni is basically a national hero here in Finland, I suggest you direct your marketing efforts here. Google "Larry Thorne" or "Lauri Törni", and you should find plenty of info on his character and possibly some links and e-mail addresses to associations celebrating this "champion of freedom", as he sometimes is dubbed.
How much would you be willing to let go of it for?

[TacoDelRio]

Try the SF museum in Ft Bragg, perhaps?

[Teme]

http://turuntori.com/kotisivut/?id=1014&sivu=1082
According to this finnish web page Lauri Törni used Marttiini Ilves puukko:
http://www.marttiini.fi/puukot/shop/prod.asp?ContID=246.

In the introduction they say "As a professional soldier Törni accepted only the best. He often gave his american collegues a piece of Finnish steel, knife made by J. Marttiini". Rest of the article describes how 1999 they made a number of knifes with his name in the blade. I guess this is the knife they are talking about: http://www.maanpuolustusyhtio.fi/products.php?product=2780

Sheath is different than the one in your pictures. More like this style: http://www.marttiini.fi/puukot/shop/prod.asp?ContID=239. The models may have changed during the years.

"Lauri Torni SA SISSI" on the pile side.
SA = Suomen Armeija (Finnish Army)
SISSI = Ranger/Partisan

This is the Sissi patch:
http://susi1.net/e107_images/avatars/sissi.gif
In the first link there is a list of persons who received this special order knife from Lauri Törni memorial guild.

[surferbum]

http://turuntori.com/kotisivut/?id=1014&sivu=1082
According to this finnish web page Lauri Törni used Marttiini Ilves puukko:
http://www.marttiini.fi/puukot/shop/prod.asp?ContID=246.

In the introduction they say "As a professional soldier Törni accepted only the best. He often gave his american collegues a piece of Finnish steel, knife made by J. Marttiini". Rest of the article describes how 1999 they made a number of knifes with his name in the blade. I guess this is the knife they are talking about: http://www.maanpuolustusyhtio.fi/products.php?product=2780

Sheath is different than the one in your pictures. More like this style: http://www.marttiini.fi/puukot/shop/prod.asp?ContID=239. The models may have changed during the years.

"Lauri Torni SA SISSI" on the pile side.
SA = Suomen Armeija (Finnish Army)
SISSI = Ranger/Partisan

This is the Sissi patch:
http://susi1.net/e107_images/avatars/sissi.gif
In the first link there is a list of persons who received this special order knife from Lauri Törni memorial guild.
Thanks for the information. I have an email out to the person responsible fo that website.

[Teme]

You can also email Marttiini managing director: Paivi (dot) Ohvo (at) marttiini (dot) fi . She's responsible for NA market and maybe can direct you to right contacts.

[Remington Rand]

Made in China.

I used to sell knives. There's a reason I never sold one of these to anyone. Piece of crap. Do not purchase, even for the low price. There are plenty of better knives out there for a similar price.

I just did some research before buying a Ka-bar Warthog (not quite a fighting knife, but good for all around use), and wasnt impressed by any of the S&W knives (love their revolvers though). Since you used to sell them, what's most important? The steel they are made of? I notice that the cheap ones are 420 stainless and the more expensive ones are 1095, Aus-8....though I am not sure the difference except for Rockwell hardness.
RR

[chassem]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6317/650normalwf1.jpg

I use a Buck Knighthawk. Simple, stays sharp, relatively cheap. If you can get the Short Nighthawk. The regular one is a bit long.

[Sten3]

no more to say
https://www.kabar.com/images/1245_large.jpg

[Zero The Hero]

Here's some nice imported puukkos by Roselli
http://www.kellamknives.com

And Finnish puukkos by another fine manufacturer: Marttiini
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/finn/index.html

On this site you'll find some frosts as well.

[Biglug]

Mikebox,

I've been trying to get a Frost/Fallkniven over here in the states for awhile now. I can't find any. The only "Frost" knives we have here are from a company of that name, that makes the absolute ****tiest knives ever to be put upon this Earth, and they are made in China, not Scandanavia.

Know of any retailers over here?

If your still looking. I've done business with Knifecenter more than a few times now and it has always been top notch.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/fallkniven/
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/fallkniven/images/FK-NL3EL.jpg


Here's one for the thread. Uses AUS8 stainless steel which has a good carbon rate giving it better edge retention and while still providing good corrosion resistance. It has a polymer kraton handle and the steel is beadblasted to maintain a subdued finish that won't wear off. All for 80 bucks.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/sog/images/26db.jpg
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SOG26DB

[Remington Rand]

no more to say
https://www.kabar.com/images/1245_large.jpg

Ka-Bar Tanto with Kydex handle? nice!

[Remington Rand]

https://www.kabar.com/images/1247_large.jpg

[Kaapeli]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6317/650normalwf1.jpg

I use a Buck Knighthawk. Simple, stays sharp, relatively cheap. If you can get the Short Nighthawk. The regular one is a bit long.

Looks both pretty and practical. Quite similar to mine.

http://www.arobron.pl/images/MARTTIINI%20Condor%20Compass%20Cordura%20(390012).jpg


Why are so many people against serrations? I find them useful for cutting paracord and ripping through plastic wrapping...are they not a good choice for removing human limbs?

Combat knifes are used more often as tools than for actual combat. Almost any sharp object makes a decent close combat instrument since you don't cut with them but stab.
Serration is problematic since it's usually located in the most usefull part of the knife: on the edge side closest to the handle. If you want to cut something that's the part of the blade you'll use the most. A serrated edge is better for sawing action.

[kamarian]

Dont mean to hijak the tread, but can anyone recomend a good knife for use around in and around water? Not after a big diving knife, but am looking for a knife for general use like cutting line, rope and stuff like that.

[Biglug]

Dont mean to hijak the tread, but can anyone recomend a good knife for use around in and around water? Not after a big diving knife, but am looking for a knife for general use like cutting line, rope and stuff like that.

Fresh or salt water?
Since your not looking for a diving knife, but mentioned it, I'd take it that you may mean salt water use though.

Any knife made with a good quality stainless steel and polymer handle will be a good water knife whether salt or fresh, but you'll still need to take care of it with keeping it clean and in a salt water environment, that means rinsing it with fresh when your done for the day and wiping it down with some good corrosion protective oil. CLP is pretty good for that actually. Even seperate from the blade and handle the smaller screws and rivets need to be addressed also to keep them from corroding.

The SOG knives like the one I posted above are some good choices depending on the model, but as long as you take into account the blade steel and handle material that would endure a wetter, salty environment, there are many good choices and which depends like anything,.......by your personal taste.

As you'll see SOG has made and still makes knives used by the US Navy Seals in some capacity. I had a Sealpup for a while that I bought while at Bragg and it was a good knife for water and held a pretty good edge. I ended up giving it to a friend who sails alot though and since I have a few knives, it wasn't like I was going to feel it's loss too bad.


http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/sog/

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/sog/images/37j.jpg


There are alot of great choices.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/sog/images/24j.jpg

and most companies have a few that would suit you.

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/sog/images/S2B.jpg

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/crk/images/cr2605.jpg
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CR2605

[BrigN96]

http://www.presanger.no/images/products/47/L/137903.jpg

I must recomend a Samekniv (Lapknife) from Strømeng
http://www.karport.no/cgi-bin/kp/imaker?id=5314

Not a knife to go diving with, but does everything else, and is handmade.

[Biglug]

I've always been on the search for the ultimate combat/survival knife for my taste and have collected alot of knives over the years from Bucks to Benchmade's, Kbar's to TOPS and still haven't found the perfect one with the way the handle fits my hand and the blade fits me for use in everything from cutting rope, branches and vines, to filleting a fish and cleaning game. I've found I like micarta handles the most for the way they can be shaped and the texture is when beadblasted. There also impervious to more things than other materials. In blades I've come to appreciate the better stainless steels with a good blend of carbon, chromium and various alloys for good edge retention while providing corrosion resistance. 154cm, ATS34, AUS8 and 440C are commonly used and very good.
I'm still on the look out and like collecting more knives either way. This is my next purchase and I'm looking at it for those reasons. I've seen a few different models at shows and their craftsmanship seems top notch and the reputation they acquired is right there with it. They cryo their blades too for stress relief.
It may be a good choice for others here too.

http://www.entrekknives.com/ENTK_Site/WebPagesUS/MediumEntrekCommando.jpg

http://www.entrekknives.com/ENTK_Site/WebPagesUS/Products.htm

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=EN9

If anyone's looking for something bigger too.rofl

http://www.entrekknives.com/ENTK_Site/Views/P01_10170220002199.jpg (http://www.entrekknives.com/4daction/4DBKExecute/4DBKStoreSet/ENTK;4DBKSelectionSet/1;4DBKGo/detail2.htm)

[Herrmannek]

Anyone know more about Frost knives?

[SBL]

show me a knife you cant open up dvd packaging with.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Captainbadd/butterknife2.jpg

[Biglug]

Anyone know more about Frost knives?

Just that I wouldn't recommend them for tough use.
I've had a couple over the years and bought them for there exotic stylings but that's about as far as they go.
They commonly use cheap, heavy on the chromium stainless steel and more fancy than functional handle materials.
I had one that looked great, but the blade bent like a wave using it one time. I ended giving it to an old friend not too long ago. I'm sure from knowing how he takes care of stuff it won't last too long.

That is Frost Cutlery and not Frosts of Sweden. I don't know anything about Frosts of Sweden other than that they make knives.

[Herrmannek]

I meant Frosts from Sweden...

[kayaker]

cheap
carbon
long tang
plastic handle
you cannot get enough of them
variation issued to the swedish army
cheapest Ive them is 7 British Pound Sterling
no survival instructor I know or have heard of disses the knife
this sweidhs knife has been used to kill a sweidhs MP succesfully
unlike your $350 custom knife you can beast this blade w/t feeling guilty
All in all I highly recommend purchasing a couple, make your friends happy too
You will never regret spending money on one, hey I even use them for everyday cooking!

[Herrmannek]

cheap
carbon
long tang
plastic handle
you cannot get enough of them
variation issued to the swedish army
cheapest Ive them is 7 British Pound Sterling
no survival instructor I know or have heard of disses the knife
this sweidhs knife has been used to kill a sweidhs MP succesfully
unlike your $350 custom knife you can beast this blade w/t feeling guilty
All in all I highly recommend purchasing a couple, make your friends happy too
You will never regret spending money on one, hey I even use them for everyday cooking!

I'm sold :) any particular model you liked most?

[Remington Rand]

CLP is pretty good for that actually.

Good thought. I typically spray down a wet knife with WD-40 do displace the water, then wipe that off and put gun oil on it. Cant beat CLP.

[kayaker]

I'm sold :) any particular model you liked most?
Forogot to mention, of all four survival instructors I know, they alll own at least one Mora.

GO with teh mora, From what I heard it is superior to teh similar Frost Clipper, could say why, no persoal expereince.

Dont know where to get them in Poland, but plenty of british site ship internationally.

[kamarian]

Fresh or salt water?
Since your not looking for a diving knife, but mentioned it, I'd take it that you may mean salt water use though.

Any knife made with a good quality stainless steel and polymer handle will be a good water knife whether salt or fresh, but you'll still need to take care of it with keeping it clean and in a salt water environment, that means rinsing it with fresh when your done for the day and wiping it down with some good corrosion protective oil. CLP is pretty good for that actually. Even seperate from the blade and handle the smaller screws and rivets need to be addressed also to keep them from corroding.

The SOG knives like the one I posted above are some good choices depending on the model, but as long as you take into account the blade steel and handle material that would endure a wetter, salty environment, there are many good choices and which depends like anything,.......by your personal taste.

As you'll see SOG has made and still makes knives used by the US Navy Seals in some capacity. I had a Sealpup for a while that I bought while at Bragg and it was a good knife for water and held a pretty good edge. I ended up giving it to a friend who sails alot though and since I have a few knives, it wasn't like I was going to feel it's loss too bad.



Thanks mate. I'm looking for a knife for swift water rescue/flood rescue work. Will be looking at the SOG's, but find them a bit big. The CRKT knives look great.

[Xaito]

can anybody of the guys around here who have knowledge and experience about knifes tell me what the pros and cons of a tanto blade are?
To me it looks like a dagger type knife would be better for stabbing or am i wrong?
Are tanto knifes useful in combat?

[kayaker]

Herrmannek (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=1367),
if you cant get one in your own country.. this is a great place, friendly, good service:
www.outdoorcode.co.uk (http://www.outdoorcode.co.uk)

http://outdoorcode.co.uk/catalog/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=221&reviews_id=1

[Biglug]

Thanks mate. I'm looking for a knife for swift water rescue/flood rescue work. Will be looking at the SOG's, but find them a bit big. The CRKT knives look great.


Glad to be of help Kamarian, everyone on this planet needs a few good knives in the toolbox.
If you like the CRKT and it's styling, you might give a look at Benchmade's Snody knives. There a similar style and use 154cm steel and G10 for the handle.

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?ttl=BENCHMADE&srch=eqCATE%20CODEdatarq%3Dbm%26eqKEYWORDdatarq%3Dsnody%26eqWWWCAT_1datarq%3Dfixed
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/bnchmd/images/220.jpg

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/bnchmd/images/220sbk.jpg

I have one of their Nimravus and it's an excellent knife for many different purposes too.

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/bnchmd/images/140bk.jpg
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?ttl=BENCHMADE%20Nimravus&srch=eqCATE%20CODEdatarq%3Dbm%26eqKEYWORDdatarq%3Dnimravus

[Biglug]

can anybody of the guys around here who have knowledge and experience about knifes tell me what the pros and cons of a tanto blade are?
To me it looks like a dagger type knife would be better for stabbing or am i wrong?
Are tanto knifes useful in combat?

The Tanto was designed apparently for stabbing. I've had a couple, but never liked them as much as a drop point blade which I find more useful for filleting and trimming meat.
The nice thing about a tanto blade is that you can work each edge angle really well while sharpening and get each one perfect.

As far as useful for combat, it's a knife blade and this one was made for it.:-*$
You can kill someone easy enough with a broken bottle, I think a nice Tanto would more than hurt their feelings.:cantbeli: :fork:

[Xaito]

As far as useful for combat, it's a knife blade and this one was made for it.:-*$
You can kill someone easy enough with a broken bottle, I think a nice Tanto would more than hurt their feelings.:cantbeli: :fork:
hehe yeah i know that the japanese tano knifes have a long tradition as weapons but since ive never had one (or stabbed anybody ;) ) i somehow get the feeling that a knife with a tip like this one
http://elitetacticalsources.com/prodimages/Cold%20Steel/13BN.jpeg wouldnt cut through clothes (like leatherjackets or something like that) as good as a dagger or a drop point blade while stabbing...
I know that you can ruin somebodys day with any knife - im just interested in which one could ruin it more effectively ;)

[THETOOLMAN]

For what it's worth, I've played with a lot of differnt blades. Some expensive, some cheap.

The best all arond blade? The Marine K-Bar, (I actually had the U.S. Navy Issue K-Bar, fairly rare now).

It's cheap, easy to maintain, keeps a good edge, multi-use, etc..

I also like the Cold Steal Tanto, but it's not near as versitile.



The term "combat knife" is kinda funny considering you'll be useing it to cut line and open crap with it most of the time.

I agree I still own my K-Bar after all these years still a handy tough tool.

[charlie]

Double edged, with a really sharp pointy tip. It's actually quite fun learning quick draws, hack and slash. Creating an opening. If you can't be bothered by stuff like this you should at least know the rudiments. A knife in the hand of an expert is very dangerous. You'll never know the day when someone might pull a knife on you in real life.

Easily concealed and silent. It gives you more leverage when fighting with someone who's bigger and stronger than you. But like all things you need to practise often alot.

Some military units get to see a "nice" video of a man being killed with a knife. Why would they do that? Just for show?

If you go fishing or want to impress your friends, get a "Rambo" knife besides the other one. But do check if both are legal in your state or country.

Stolen from e-bay: http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/958/471km3.jpg

[blackjack 25]

My two cents is

stay away from stainless and go with a good quality carbon steel

In the fiels you can sharpen it with a rock if need be

Like I said my 2 cents

[THETOOLMAN]

I agree I still own my K-Bar after all these years still a handy tough tool.

also, along with my K-bar I HAD, a nice swichblade steletto w rosewood handle 9" or so , made in germany. was light sharp & a great companion for the K-Bar. Made me feel safe
came up missing
wish one of y'all could help ME find a new one
Dan

[Pete031]

SOG, Cold Steel, MOD, spyderco.... all really good ones

[Remington Rand]

I agree I still own my K-Bar after all these years still a handy tough tool.

I have used the 20 year old Ka-Bars with the leather handles and they still hold a great edge. I just bought one and I went with a synthetic handle, but still with a Ka-bar. I figure the leather might soak up water or rot eventually.
RR

[Biglug]

also, along with my K-bar I HAD, a nice swichblade steletto w rosewood handle 9" or so , made in germany. was light sharp & a great companion for the K-Bar. Made me feel safe
came up missing
wish one of y'all could help ME find a new one
Dan

Sorry, miss read.

[BillySing]

fairly hefty chunk of steel, but it holds it's edge nicely, and is suitable for most needs.........perhaps not filleting or gutting, but you can hack and chop things quite well with the weighty blade. :)

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5535/w343yd5.th.jpg (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w343yd5.jpg)

[Biglug]

hehe yeah i know that the japanese tano knifes have a long tradition as weapons but since ive never had one (or stabbed anybody ;) ) i somehow get the feeling that a knife with a tip like this one
http://elitetacticalsources.com/prodimages/Cold%20Steel/13BN.jpeg wouldnt cut through clothes (like leatherjackets or something like that) as good as a dagger or a drop point blade while stabbing...
I know that you can ruin somebodys day with any knife - im just interested in which one could ruin it more effectively ;)



Me too actually. I found over time that each person just like a pair of pants needs to find which knife fits them best so in using they can be the most effective with it.
In general some of your best stabbing blades are straight center point, double edged blades. A blood groove is nice too to keep the blade from sticking in so you can pull it out and stab again.
Through training I've come to shift a knife quickly in my hands for different attack and defense positions with one of those positions having the beginning back edge of the blade for support at times in slicing movement resting partly on my side palm and forearm and the handle end forward.
This is where to me a knife I might use for fighting I prefer a drop point with top edge only as long as about three to four inches from the tip of the blade depending on how long the blade is and the handle length and shape. It gives me forward dual edge for stabbing and the unsharped rear top edge for support in that position.

I've found some very nice knives over the years and come to enjoy collecting them also, but I am still looking for that perfect knife in my own fascination. This is the last one I bought and these two below it will be the next when I can take money anyway from my firearms hobbies to buy them.



http://www.topsknives.com/images/mr88.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:window.close();)

next,

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/entrek/images/en9.jpg

and,


http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/kbar/images/1464_large.jpg

[RECON DOC]

These are a few of the blades I've collected over the years.


Buck 110 hunter

http://www.keystonecountrystore.com/images/products/18364.jpg



Air force survival knife (I love this thing)


http://www.survivaldealer.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/air-force-survival-knife.jpg
Camilius Marine fighting knife (excelent for use as a hatchet)


http://www.old-smithy.demon.co.uk/bayonets/fullsize/US%20camillus%20marine%20fighting.jpg

Gerber boot knife
http://www.jbrucevoyles.com/DCP_3440.JPG

Fairbairne Sykes Comando

http://valleyguns.com/fullsize_thumbs/792346076.jpg

M-7
http://www.armynavyshop.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/rc3280.jpg (http://www.armynavyshop.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?store_code=army-navy-shop&screen=PROD&product_code=rc3280)

Buck Pony (great little knife)
http://www.jaysknives.com/buck700/buck705ponysh.jpg



And of course the indespensible Swiss Army knife
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/swiss-army-knife/swiss-army-knife.jpg

[RGRBOX]

Here are a few of mine.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/Tomahawk1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/KIt1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/WW2FJKF.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/KF1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/AlMar.jpg

RB

[Biglug]

Nice collections guys.:)

[Herrmannek]

Here are a few of mine.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/Tomahawk1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/KIt1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/WW2FJKF.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/KF1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/box3216/AlMar.jpg

RB

Fan or Ray Mears?

[Howitz]

I'm sold :) any particular model you liked most?

I have a Frosts 780 triflex that I got from http://ragweedforge.com/SwedishKnifeCatalog.html here, I love it, an excellent blade and the scandi grind is easy to sharpen. I recommend rag weed forge, though I don't know how that'll work for foreign shipping.

[Jippo]

In many models of Mora steel is so hard that it is very difficult to sharpen. I have also broken couple of blades. They are very hard but quite brittle. But since the price is low, use them until they break or you have to sharpen them, then through away and get a new one.

Most Finnish construction workers have a Mora knife for that reason.


-jippo

[Kaapeli]

In many models of Mora steel is so hard that it is very difficult to sharpen. I have also broken couple of blades. They are very hard but quite brittle. But since the price is low, use them until they break or you have to sharpen them, then through away and get a new one.

Most Finnish construction workers have a Mora knife for that reason.

The same problems exist with all stainless steel: almost impossible to resharpen (atleast more than once) and shatter easily (unlike carbon steel that is more likely to just bent).
This is why a proper blades are usually made from high carbon steel.

[Biglug]

The same problems exist with all stainless steel: almost impossible to resharpen (atleast more than once) and shatter easily (unlike carbon steel that is more likely to just bent).
This is why a proper blades are usually made from high carbon steel.


Actually all stainless steels aren't the same as are various carbon blends.
If a person bases their outlook of stainless steel on cheap stainless with alot of chromium that they buy in cheap knives, than it's understandable why someone could see it that way.
You get what you pay for most of time.
Your more premium stainless steels have a higher carbon steel content alot of the time while balancing out the stainless properties that chromium brings with other alloys to maintain corrosion resistance while still giving excellent edge retention.

My favorite right now is 154cm which Benchmade uses on various blades and it takes to an edge easily, maintains it and actually gives me just as razor sharp an edge as any of my 1095 bladed knives.

http://www.benchmade.com/about_knives/our_blades.asp

You get what you pay for normally.

The Mora's seem like a simple knife and are cheap, but if blades are apt to break easy and be brittle, the handles are made of simple wood and come with cheap sheaths I can't see where it would be a better choice than just spending the extra money on a little better knife that won't have some of those flaws.

If your going to possibly have this knife in a survival situation why would you take a choice that is more disposable and easily breakable than another to save a few bucks. It could be your life in the balance in that case.

You can buy a much better knife for 50 or less dollars if that's as far as you want to spend than just going really cheap by only spending 10.

Something like a basic Kbar with an old style leather washer handle will still last a long time in the ruff for the money you spent.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/kbar/images/1220_large.jpg

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=KA1220


http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/kbar/images/ka1276.jpg

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=KA1276

[kayaker]

Of course the Mora makes a great backup, as proven by survival instructors across the country!!

I did find my stainless steel vic champ hard to sharpen, but with a diamond sharpening stone its easy work.

Who made that dumb comment about all higher grade blades are made from carbon? Remember that the maker of the Woodlore, Alan Wood, his preferred material is still stainless. Even though the ray mears desgned blade is Carbon.

At the end of the day, its personal preference.

[kayaker]

RB,
that woodlore of yours will be worth its weight in gold in a decade.

[TacoDelRio]

I just did some research before buying a Ka-bar Warthog (not quite a fighting knife, but good for all around use), and wasnt impressed by any of the S&W knives (love their revolvers though). Since you used to sell them, what's most important? The steel they are made of? I notice that the cheap ones are 420 stainless and the more expensive ones are 1095, Aus-8....though I am not sure the difference except for Rockwell hardness.
RR

Sorry for the late reply.

I don't know a ton about steel, as there are so many damn steels out there. I know what I have used though.

For EDC, I like a lighter steel, like AUS-6. Sharpes to a razor edge in no time. Not very hard, but it doesn't have to be for basic tasks like opening packages and stuff like that.

For camping/outdoors and all related (military as well), I'd go with a harder steel, such as the carbon steel that Ka-Bars have. CPM-S30V (Crucible) is great as well, as it's quick and easy to sharpen, yet holds a strong edge after cutting roots, logs, whatever the heck.

Really depends on the task.

[TacoDelRio]

If your still looking. I've done business with Knifecenter more than a few times now and it has always been top notch.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/fallkniven/


Not at the moment, but thank you. I like the model on the main page with the stacked scales and damascus blade. I'd probably go with the Finnish Defense Knife, real basic model.

How do you like yours?

[Kaapeli]

Actually all stainless steels aren't the same as are various carbon blends.
If a person bases their outlook of stainless steel on cheap stainless with alot of chromium that they buy in cheap knives, than it's understandable why someone could see it that way.
You get what you pay for most of time.
Your more premium stainless steels have a higher carbon steel content alot of the time while balancing out the stainless properties that chromium brings with other alloys to maintain corrosion resistance while still giving excellent edge retention.

Yes, I have heard of the advanced (mainly Japanese) stainless steel that is actually very corrosion resistant and at the same time very re-usable. With a blade resistant to sharpening, unlike regular stainless steel. But it's still very rare and just as expensive as proper high carbon steel, and even then not the equal of it if proper maintenance is applied.

[blackjack 25]

Stainless is very hard and will take a very fine edge but it won't last

You first sharpen it with a stone(s) but then you really need to rough up the edge with a diamond hone

Thats why I'd rather just have a good carbon steel knife you can sharpen it any wear with a rock and or I nice piece of coragated cardboard

I'm sure there is someone on the site that can explain it alot better than me but there it is

[Biglug]

Not at the moment, but thank you. I like the model on the main page with the stacked scales and damascus blade. I'd probably go with the Finnish Defense Knife, real basic model.

How do you like yours?


I don't have one myself, but they are nice looking.
I was only looking to be helpful since you mentioned you were having trouble finding a place to get one in the states and having done more than enough good business with Knifecenter.com, knew they have them, having looked at them myself.

I haven't had the pleasure to see one in person but they do look like top quality. If you do get one a review would be appreciated.
The defense models do look good and simple can be very durable.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/fallkniven/images/F1Z.jpg

I was looking at the ODIN Northern Light bowie's. I've always like Bowie's and their's are pretty nice.
I've been sticking with mostly micarta handle knives these days for practical use as it's a less fragile material and I have a few new one's on my list to get next, but somewhere down the road one of these may find it's way into home.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/fallkniven/images/FK-NL2EL.jpg


I bought a Cold Steel Military Classic a little while back that's very similar in styling but with a micarta handle, and it's a keeper I'd say.

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/coldsteel/images/14r1w.jpg

It's a bit shiny, but a good hunting/camping knife.
The Aus8 steel it uses keeps a good edge.

[TacoDelRio]

That basic F1 is what I'd go for. I'm just in the hole, moneywise, at the moment.

[Adam Wilhelm]

I´ve got an Fällkniven F1. It´s a great knife with a great steel (VG10), low maintenance and it can get an razor sharp edge.
Don´t buy the black coated ones though because the coating wears off rather easy and the knife looks ugly.

Oh BTW Taco... The F1 is CHEAPER in the US then here in Sweden!
Don´t buy so much airsoft stuff, put your money on a knife that will last. p-)

[TacoDelRio]

Bwahahhahaha!!!!! (@ prices!)

A buddy of mine in the Danish Army was over here telling me that Aimpoints are cheaper here in the US, than in Denmark, across the damn creek from Sweden! :)

I love VG10. I guess I'd go for the standard one without the black coating then! Thanks!

[Swedish_Marine]

I use a Fällkniven A1. I´ve used it since I was in the navy and never sharpened it. It´s still sharp enough to shave the hairs off my arm. I use it as a tool to split wood and all sorts of field work. If I were to use that knife as a weapon I´d end up cutting my own fingers off. I´d rather use my AK4 bayonet for that. It´s good for stabbing someone.

[prettyboy_02]

it has writing on it and stuff....it means blood and honor sooo yea how much ydo you guys think???

[Hollis]

No picture........... ???????

[prettyboy_02]

No picture........... ???????


lol sorry but my camrea batteries are charging

[Luno]

we need photos or we cant help you mate. but is it a bayonet or an Officer dagger... if it is an Officer dagger then what kind of stamps does it have?

[Eddy]

Depends who's soldier blood it is(what nationality)

But either way i'd say give it to a museum or melt it but i guess its not an answer that would satisfy you

[prettyboy_02]

idk how to put the picture on the thread ill just look up the knive
http://C:%5CDocuments%20and%20Settings%5CTONY%5CMy%20Documents%5CMy%20Pictures%5Cpics%20for%20ipod

[prettyboy_02]

http://www.artsmithauctions.com/010905/images/013l.jpg


the one up top

[Luno]

Hitler Youth Knives is a minefield there are thusends of repros and Fake out there , so sorry mate the chance that your knive is real is quite slim

[prettyboy_02]

Hitler Youth Knives is a minefield there are thusends of repros and Fake out there , so sorry mate the chance that your knive is real is quite slim


well mine was handed down from generation to generation and my great grandpa was in that war so i think its real soooo yea

[Luno]

great for you then :) price can be from $350 - $1400 depends on condition and manufacturer

[prettyboy_02]

yay lol its in great condititon it looks new too thank god lol thanks :)

[Eddy]

well mine was handed down from generation to generation and my great grandpa was in that war so i think its real soooo yea

So your great grandpa was a nazi ?

[prettyboy_02]

So your great grandpa was a nazi ?


well my moms side was german so they were yes
im german, italian

[prettyboy_02]

but on my dads side my great grandpa he was on the american side sooo thats weird you know

[Thunder]

well my moms side was german so they were yes
Not all Germans were Nazis...

[Sten3]

well mine was handed down from generation to generation and my great grandpa was in that war so i think its real soooo yea

http://www.militarycollectiblesinc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=da00016&Category_Code=

[prettyboy_02]

http://www.militarycollectiblesinc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=da00016&Category_Code=


thats it thanks :)

[ZaakM433]

You are going to sell a family hairloom?

Heartless.


Think about your kids man! Think about your kids!

[California Joe]

Like OMG lol, so yah rilly.....

[wiking]

Just remember, if you're in the US you'll get the sort of prices listed here, anywhere else in the world, no serious collector would pay REMOTELY close to US fantasy prices for a collectors item.

[prettyboy_02]

lol yo guys im not selling it i just want to know what i can get for it thats all sorry for the mistake :oops:

[sjsoon]

lol. just wanna know what you could get for it............ and then......
... u sell it.
:rofl: just kidding mate.




lol yo guys im not selling it i just want to know what i can get for it thats all sorry for the mistake :oops:

[ZaakM433]

Just remember, if you're in the US you'll get the sort of prices listed here, anywhere else in the world, no serious collector would pay REMOTELY close to US fantasy prices for a collectors item.

You are forgetting Japaneese Nazi fetish and amount of disposible income some of them have.

[Thunder]

Like OMG lol, so yah rilly.....
ya lol then he was liek dude wtf haha tis totaly wikked but dis nife is like im not selling it lol soo yeah

[wiking]

You are forgetting Japaneese Nazi fetish and amount of disposible income some of them have.


Well, the US market is larger than the Japanese one (or so i believe).

That's another problem, most of the collectors books are written in and for the US market, and will often give prices WAY beyond average prices in europe and other bits of the world.

Now German 3rd Reich stuff is expensive, that's just the way it is. If it's got a swastika on it, it'll cost yah. That's why i collect Norwegian used post-ww2, it's a hell of alot cheaper :)

But there is a few things i'd like, wound badges, maybe an iron cross and german dog tags.....see, now i've got that itch again. And it's damned expensive to scratch that itch :cantbeli:

[Remington Rand]

Sorry for the late reply.

I don't know a ton about steel, as there are so many damn steels out there. I know what I have used though.

For EDC, I like a lighter steel, like AUS-6. Sharpes to a razor edge in no time. Not very hard, but it doesn't have to be for basic tasks like opening packages and stuff like that.

For camping/outdoors and all related (military as well), I'd go with a harder steel, such as the carbon steel that Ka-Bars have. CPM-S30V (Crucible) is great as well, as it's quick and easy to sharpen, yet holds a strong edge after cutting roots, logs, whatever the heck.

Really depends on the task.

Thanks for the info. It was a tough choice. There are so many kinds of steel. I eventually went with the Ka-Bar since it has such a strong reputation. I knew 1095 HC steel was decent, but how it comparest to Aus-8 Aus-6 or anything else was a mystery to me. I havent had to cut anything substantial (except an overcooked steak on my last hunting trip) so I dont know how well it will hold up. I hope to be testing it this weekend on a Mule Deer, but getting one will be easier said than done. RR

[H3]

Silver Stag Knives - Twist Damascus along with a Lofty Wiseman ex 22 SAS - Survival Tool and sorry haven't a clue about your choice of cold steel.

Mine are more of a working set rather than a military role set.


http://www.heinnie.com/cgi-bin/heinnie_store/web_store.cgi