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Sabre
05-16-2007, 06:20 AM
I think it's pretty much established that for a soldier in today's armies, you can get away with a small lock knife or multitool. I use a leatherman Blast, as it has all the funtions I need. To be honest, I use the scissors more than I use the blade. Soldiers tend to use their knives for opening things, be it rations or ammo liners, not much else (unless you're a Gurkha...).

In a european, wooded environment, I would take something to deal with trees. I have a bacho laplander folding saw that will absolutely destoy any bit of wood up to about 8" diameter. Beyond that, if you're digging in, then you'd take a proper spade to do it with and deal with roots etc using that. I agree that in a survival situation, a good quality knife is useful, but for soldiers there is so much else to carry (and current operational theatres don't lend themselves to prolonged survival/E&E) that it isn't really worth carrying much more than a leatherman.

gafkiwi
05-16-2007, 07:38 AM
I've had my seal pup for 7 years. It has been "Beasted" but is still going strong. Its cut every thing,punched holes in ammo tins, dug crappers in the field, used as a hammer to name a few.

When I can I'll use the correct tool, when I got to dig I'll get my E-tool out, If I Have to cut trees down I'll used my issue pruning saw or golock, and use secuteurs for the quiet stuff i.e.track plans.

I also have a sog trident, It is one of the first things I make sure I have in my kit before I go into the field.

FROGFOOT-MKDN
05-16-2007, 12:24 PM
gafkiwi, would you rate the seal pup as a full size knife & do you recommend it, also are there any negative comments about it.

gafkiwi
05-16-2007, 03:59 PM
I think its pretty bloody great. Compact, but still able to do everything I needed, its gutted fish, stuck a pig or 2. At first I wasn't a fan of the serations but have found them indespenseable when I've had to hack through some pretty thick stuff.

I see it as an excellent multi-purpose knife. there maybe knives that are better at particular jobs but none I've found are as good allround.

My only problem really was the kydex sheath. It was pretty clunky,noisey and large compared to the knife and took up alot of space, so I just made up a web one for my rig instead.

kayaker
05-17-2007, 05:17 AM
I think it's pretty much established that for a soldier in today's armies, you can get away with a small lock knife or multitool. I use a leatherman Blast, as it has all the funtions I need. To be honest, I use the scissors more than I use the blade. Soldiers tend to use their knives for opening things, be it rations or ammo liners, not much else (unless you're a Gurkha...).

In a european, wooded environment, I would take something to deal with trees. I have a bacho laplander folding saw that will absolutely destoy any bit of wood up to about 8" diameter. Beyond that, if you're digging in, then you'd take a proper spade to do it with and deal with roots etc using that. I agree that in a survival situation, a good quality knife is useful, but for soldiers there is so much else to carry (and current operational theatres don't lend themselves to prolonged survival/E&E) that it isn't really worth carrying much more than a leatherman.

much agreed Sabre. A quality folder combined with a multitool or SAK is all that is needed.

FROGFOOT-MKDN
05-17-2007, 10:34 AM
gafkiwi, thanks for your effort, I've been looking for a long time for an almost universal full tang, not exactly full size but a bit smaller, capable of every task at hand & I've found myself couple of times ending with choosing the SOG Seal Pup.

gafkiwi
05-17-2007, 04:37 PM
I've just found that between the pup and the trident they do what ever I've needed them to. I keep a multi tool in my vest but like to keep for when its realy needed.
Alot of the areas we train in in NZ have abit of wild life in them, so it pays to have a blade that can be used as a butcher knife to supplement your rats. Our issue M-7 bayonets are good for sticking things but pretty crap for anything else. The last thing you want to do is bugger up the back steaks on a good bit of venison.

FROGFOOT-MKDN
05-22-2007, 07:39 AM
Ordered the SOG Seal Pup on Sunday for $ 59.79 through Amazon from ToolTopia web store, shipping included. Should arrive at my friends in Rochester in several days & they'll bring it to me by June 1st. Was the price fair & did anyone do bussiness with that web store?

elyisum
07-18-2007, 03:36 PM
Can anyone help me identify this knife ?
The blade looks like it's made of brass .The nato stock number on the blade shows it's British.

brickie501
07-18-2007, 04:22 PM
I can't quite see the NSN from the pics but a quick glance through my copy of British and Commonwealth Military Knives (Ron Flook 1999) shows a strong similarity to the blade shape of a non-magnetic diver's knife "...currently in service with the RN. Made by Life Support Engineering Ltd it was first manufactured in 1972...".

The blade is made from "copper beryllium" so that could match the description of brass. However, the shape of your hilt differs from the examples in the book. Flook suggests some examples are marked with the NSN 4220-99-758-6192, does this match?

brickie

elyisum
07-19-2007, 04:08 AM
Thank you for your help the NSN is the same .The handle has been replaced by tape so I think that is why the hilt may look different.Does the book say how many knives were made and how it was used ?

Best Wishes .

brickie501
07-19-2007, 03:49 PM
...the NSN is the same .The handle has been replaced by tape so I think that is why the hilt may look different.Does the book say how many knives were made and how it was used ?

...ahhh, that explains it. I'm no expert on divers knives but it really did look like the same blade, even down to the positioning of the stamped NSN!

Sorry, think to copy more before. Same source states "Approximately 250 of these knives have been supplied to the RN."

So presumably quite unusual; only 250 issued and still the current model. Thats a good find!

brickie

maw
07-19-2007, 10:53 PM
don't eat any food prepared with this knife.

Royal
07-20-2007, 05:54 AM
It's pretty much identical to the standard RN dive knife (except for the non-magnetic construction) for issue to Clearance Divers.

FROGFOOT-MKDN
07-21-2007, 07:30 AM
If only 250 were made, sounds like a valuable collectible, you could post it on e-bay to check out price offers.

elyisum
07-21-2007, 08:12 AM
I got it off ebay for £26.00 last week.I collect knives so I think this one is a keeper.However I have been looking up copper berilium on the net it looks a bit toxic/hazardous ,Has anyone out there used this type of knife ?

Thanks to everyone for your help and advice.

elyisum
07-28-2007, 09:10 AM
I have now got hold of another this photo may be of intrest.

JJC
08-09-2007, 11:54 PM
I want a knife like the SureFire Delta which has a seatbelt cutter and a window breaker and is small. The SF knife costs $425, so do you know of other knives like the Delta with in $200 range? Also how's the quality of SureFire knives, cause I know that they're flashlight oriented.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24381/sesent/00

schwarz
08-09-2007, 11:58 PM
Benchmade, FTW.woot


http://www.benchmade.com/

JJC
08-10-2007, 12:07 AM
Thanks but that is just a regualr rescue knife, what I like about surefire's is that it has a main blade that can be used for defense and the other options combined.

Buckeye67
08-10-2007, 12:30 AM
I think you'd probably be better served in the long run by having both a dedicated locking blade folding knife and then a separate multi-tool for everything else.

It'll end up being cheaper than buying the Surefire knife, and you'll have far more functionality.

JJC
08-10-2007, 12:36 AM
Maybe you're right, but I just thought it is a neat idea to have a compact knife and the rescue tools all in one for ease of every day carry. I would think that if they charge 425 for such a knife it should be functional.

Buckeye67
08-10-2007, 12:54 AM
I hear what you're saying, I just can't see anything that that knife does that justifies $425. Maybe I'm not seeing something there though (it wouldn't be the first time :p ).

Just looking at the features - here's what you get for $425:

CRUCIBLE CPM® S30V® STEEL BLADE for strength and superior edge retention. Polished to a smooth finish to help prevent adhesion of corrosive substances.

I'll admit I have no idea what "CRUCIBLE CPM® S30V® STEEL" is, but the steel on my Emerson folder has cut things just fine now for about 4 years. There are a butt-ton of Benchmades and CRKT's out there that do the job just as well too. Heck, you can find CRKT's for about $20. I'm thinking about getting a couple of those for "go bags".


1/8" TITANIUM FRAME lock provide structural strength and durability.
CUTTER/CRIMPER accepts up to 12-guage wire.

Titanium frame locks aren't any sort of unique feature these days. Neither is the cutter/crimper. Granted, with a separate knife and multitool, you'd have to carry two things - but again, you'd be saving $300.

FINGER GUARD /SCREWDRIVER protects your finger from the blade and serves as a flathead screwdriver.

I had to look at the picture of that thing for a minute to figure out what they were on about with this one. Again, I can't see how this would be an advantage (especially for the difference in cost) than having standard and phillips screwdrivers on a multi-tool.

SLOTTED SELF-SEATING WRENCH fits hex nuts from 1/2" down to 13/64".

Meh, multi-tool.

CORD/HARNESS CUTTER for quickly cutting through seatbelts, harnesses, webbing, parachute cord, etc.

This is the only "option" the Surefire knife has that I think wouldn't have with a knife & multi-tool. But is it a $300 option?

WINDOW BREAKER is a heat-treated 440 stainless steel point.

I'd like to see a survey from firefighters or LEO's, or even G.I.'s on the necessity of having this feature on a folding knife - or what situation you'd find yourself in where you didn't have a better option to use to break a pane of glass. Granted, I could concoct scenarios where it would be essential - but the likelihood of them actually happening are slim at best.

REVERSIBLE POCKET CLIP lets you choose knife position in pocket or tactical vest.

Yeah, like every other knife.

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All that said, it is a cool gadget, and if I had $425 to blow and nothing better to spend it on - I'd consider it (not really, for $425 I'd buy another AK or something p-) ).

Lerch
08-10-2007, 04:09 AM
Can it get me a beer?

For $425 I'd want a beer to make me feel better about spending $425 on a knife...

Hispeed1
08-10-2007, 11:47 AM
+ 1 for benchmade. Benchmade Nimravus with NSN #'s if you're looking for a fixed blade duty knife. Surefire is a very good flashlight company, although they're expensive. Just because something called "D37T@" it doesn't mean its good and super tacticool.

Hispeed1
08-10-2007, 11:49 AM
So what will be your primary purpose for the knife? Defense, rescue, utility?

RadarGreg
08-10-2007, 01:42 PM
I've got one from: http://www.lbainternational.com/eickhorn/

Mine is the tanto point in limited edition Tropentarn (desert camp). What is nice about them is the belt cutter is a separate blade, like a box cutter type. You can change out that blade when it gets dull and you aren't using the main knife blade for cutting webbing, boot laces, 550 cord, etc. I paid about 50 Euros for mine, but I think you can find them online for around $70. Much cheaper than the Surefire knife, but you don't get the built in wrench. If you can live without that, the Eickhorn is a great knife.

RadarGreg

dave81
08-10-2007, 02:54 PM
I love knives, but I really don't see why anyone would need a knife that costs over $75 that isn't a multi-tool; even in Iraq, the most you'll ever need a knife for is cutting 550 cord or plastic water bottles, and maybe the occasional canvas strap. High-priced collectible knives (the kind with 24k gold pins or ancient mammoth ivory handles) are a different matter, but walking around with a $300+ "combat fighting folder" for "everyday carry"? How many knife fights do you actually expect to find yourself in? ...And if you find yourself in a knife fight, would you even actually know what to do?

RadarGreg
08-10-2007, 03:31 PM
I too have a hard time justifying buying a knife that expensive. I know I'm not going to use the Eickhorn to slash enemy throats from behind or cut my way out of a downed aircraft. Mine will get most of its serviceable life performing more mundane tasks like cutting open boxes, the occasional 550 cord or the even rarer MRE package. Using a Chris Reeve or Surefire knife for tasks like that would be akin to driving your Ferrari down the street to pick up a gallon of milk.

Abolith
08-10-2007, 05:21 PM
NO knife is worth 400 bucks..

I have a center punch and a multitool with seatbelt cutter in the truck for the untility crap and a K-Bar for the defense crap. total mran me under 100 bucks.

ZoneOne
08-10-2007, 08:06 PM
I want a knife like the SureFire Delta which has a seatbelt cutter and a window breaker and is small. The SF knife costs $425, so do you know of other knives like the Delta with in $200 range? Also how's the quality of SureFire knives, cause I know that they're flashlight oriented.

http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/prrfnbr/24381/sesent/00

The Delta folders are coming out of production VERY slow. Good luck on trying to find one in stock if you decide to shell out the money.

A SOG Trident has some of the features you listed, minus the window punch for around 75$ depending on where you find it.

schwarz
08-10-2007, 08:18 PM
Thanks but that is just a regualr rescue knife, what I like about surefire's is that it has a main blade that can be used for defense and the other options combined.

Yea I know.;-)


But hell 40$, and you get a LED light.
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=10105

Drop about 75-100$ on a folder and you wont look back.

Don't drop 400 bucks on some super cool knife, its not worth it. I bought a 9100 Stryker(think thats it 250 helluva knife but its a friggin brick) now I use the 145 Nimravus, best knife I've ever owned. But damn I could spend a lot of money on their site.

JJC
08-10-2007, 09:03 PM
I'm going to chose between the SOG Trident and the Eickorn PRT, both offer the features I like.
I wasn't even thinking about buying the Surefire; I'm not that of a knife buffp-) , just used it as an example of what I wanted in a knife.

I was looking for a compact EDC knife that would serve as a defense tool and a rescue tool. Since I ride the NYC subway daily you knever know when it could get handy, and the seat belt cutter can be used for other tasks as well.

Thanks for everyone's imput.

Los
08-10-2007, 10:08 PM
Since I ride the NYC subway daily you knever know when it could get handy, and the seat belt cutter can be used for other tasks as well.

Remember that NYC has stringent knife laws, i.e. you could only buy a manual folder w/ at most a max blade length of 4". I suggest go no more than 3.5".

If I had your same criteria, I probably would've bought BlackHawk's CQD Mark II in manual open. Like mentioned, it has all the goodies that you want for almost half the price of the Surefire. Plus the blade is slightly above 3 inches.

elyisum
08-19-2007, 01:59 PM
I have had this knife for some time but can not find out anything about it.There is a picture of a BDRM and a parachute on the handle.The parachute looks a bit like the hungarian para badge.Can anyone give me more info ?.

pifferm
08-20-2007, 08:11 PM
SOG Seal Pup or Gerber LMF II ASEK?

JoeW
09-26-2007, 09:21 PM
Has anyone got any good pictures especially closeups of the sheath and patch that is secured to the flight suit or webbing.thanks

1071
09-27-2007, 03:16 AM
This is a British RAF aircrew emergency knife which the SAS wore on the shoulder of their CRW vest.

JoeW
09-27-2007, 03:19 AM
Outstanding 1071 just what I wanted

DeltaWhisky58
09-27-2007, 05:25 AM
This knife is now obsolete - it has been replaced by a specialised strap/shroud cutter. Those who have the above knife or it's predecessor with a more conventional blade will hold on to them, but no more will be issued.

http://www.martaviation.com/raf_para_knife4_small1dotjpg
This is the current-issue knife - apologies for the poor image

The curved-blade knife can be bought here (http://www.martaviation.com/RAF%20Knives.htm) and often turns up on UK-ebaY.

Deftoner
09-27-2007, 11:20 AM
That blade just looks awkward and flimsy to me.... is my assumption justified?

DeltaWhisky58
09-27-2007, 12:04 PM
No, they're actually very robust. I've skinned,gutted deer with one.

JoeW
09-27-2007, 07:31 PM
Wow got it thanks

Eoin666
09-28-2007, 01:30 PM
These aren't really survival knives per-se, more emergency use, as in cutting para-cords and strapping, the MOD does a survival knife as well, big old lump of steel nothing fancy, but does it's job of everything, cutting, digging, hammering....you name it


34589

Nephilim
11-17-2007, 02:30 PM
i hope its the right place to ask this.

ok i want purchase one of those british RAF/SAS crew knifes, also got someone that´d sell me one, but im not sure if its actually legal to get them shipped into germany
since the law in germany can be quite ... you name it...

ive tried looking up some info and it didnt really help.
also contacted the customs but no answer yet.

does anyone german here had any issues as such getting knives shipped/ send via post?

thats the corpus delicti : http://www.worldknifedb.net/common/images_collec/raf_survivaldotjpg

thx in advance

Irish_11
11-17-2007, 02:53 PM
Tag, I'd like to know on this one too. I want to maybe bring back a knife or two this summer from Europe and would like to know about what countries policies are on crossing borders with them?

Jarhead
11-17-2007, 02:55 PM
www.zoll.de
maybe you find there something

Nephilim
11-17-2007, 02:59 PM
@jarhead
i tried looking it up
only things like butterfly knifes, spring operated ones, fist knifes or conceilable knifes seem to be prohibited along with one that a sharp on both sides and longer than 7 cm.
but again the zoll can be strange sometimes..
and i dont want to get into trouble or pay 100 bucks for a 20 dollar thing :/

@Irish_11
afaik its not that problematic getting them out of germany

Niels
11-17-2007, 03:01 PM
There's no reason for customs to confiscate your knife, so you should be fine.

Tag, I'd like to know on this one too. I want to maybe bring back a knife or two this summer from Europe and would like to know about what countries policies are on crossing borders with them?As long as the knife is legal in the country you're entering and it's not in a position that allows for easy reach (e.g. don't walk about with a dagger in the back of your trousers), there shouldn't be a problem.

Jarhead
11-17-2007, 03:14 PM
Call the Hauptzollamt or Zollamt in your area, I´m sure they can help you out

Herrmannek
11-17-2007, 04:10 PM
Problem is UK isn't in sp?shengen. Ask friend to send knife to friend in the country in shengen where all knives are legal and then the middle man should send this knife to you. No one should ever look into your package...

tsuri
11-17-2007, 04:36 PM
Schengen is only about movement of people, not about items. In any EU country the movement of goods(legal) may not be infringed.

So as long as the item is not illegal in Germany, you can safely mail it.

If the pictured knife is a spring knife or a butterfly knife, then it is illegal. If not, then you appear to be able to legally posess it.

See also:

http://bundesrecht.juris.de/waffg_2002/anlage_2_75.html

Herrmannek
11-17-2007, 04:42 PM
Schengen is only about movement of people, not about items. In any EU country the movement of goods(legal) may not be infringed.

So as long as the item is not illegal in Germany, you can safely mail it.

If the pictured knife is a spring knife or a butterfly knife, then it is illegal. If not, then you appear to be able to legally posess it.

See also:

http://bundesrecht.juris.de/waffg_2002/anlage_2_75.html

You sure? I always thought that until shengen packages are going through border control terminals, and now when they are gone no one will ever see by any chance what inside the package.

TallGuy
11-17-2007, 05:07 PM
Schengen has nothing to do with customs laws. Iceland is a member of Schengen and all knives with blades over 12cm are illegal, except for kitchen knives.....

Nephilim
11-18-2007, 05:04 AM
hmm
ok the juris site also doesnt mention that type of knife the RAF one is.
so apprently it would be ok to ship/post it
and as far as i know that RAF knife is a fixed blade with just one sharp side.
im just not sure about the length.
its not mentioned anywhere how long a fixed blade can be to be legally send to germany.

does anyone know the appox. length of that knifes blade??
if my eyes dont trick me id say its not more than 10 cm long

tsuri
11-18-2007, 08:27 AM
its not mentioned anywhere how long a fixed blade can be to be legally send to germany.

The law does not say anything about the length of the blade itself.
Of course owning and carrying are different by law here and you may own something that you are not allowed to carry or visit public places with.

If you are still unsure, it might be a good idea to e-mail the Police or the Waffenbehörde(most of the time it is the Police) of the place you are going to send it to. They can give you a legally valid response.


You sure? I always thought that until shengen packages are going through border control terminals, and now when they are gone no one will ever see by any chance what inside the package.

Well.. I dont think all of these packages go through customs, they only make occasional checks as a package travelling within the EU stays in the same market. This should be covered by EGV, at least be an implication of it.


celand is a member of Schengen and all knives with blades over 12cm are illegal, except for kitchen knives.....
National laws remain, if something is illegal in a state then the four freedoms are out of effect.

little icebear
11-19-2007, 10:32 PM
No problems with fixed blades at all. You don´t even have to send it, you can put in your luggage.

little icebear
11-26-2007, 08:26 PM
Hello!
I´m thinking about getting myself either a Benchmade Nimravus or an Ontario Tak1 as an alrounder for outdoor use / camping and stuff.

Any opinions or experiences you can contribute are welcome. p-)

gaijinsamurai
11-26-2007, 11:55 PM
Benchmade makes excellent knives. I've had one for seven years now, and although it's not my primary knife, I've used it a lot, both on deployment and at home, and it's been great. Keeps an edge, too.

imedic
11-27-2007, 02:48 AM
I've got a benchmade model 7 rescue hook that works wonders, they look after their customers pretty well too.

supercontra
11-27-2007, 03:24 AM
I got a Benchmade CQC7 which has worked wonderfully for many years. The Nimravus looks like a great knife.

~center~
11-27-2007, 03:43 AM
Both knifemakers are excellent as I have numerous from both. Just speaking financially, Ontario is the bigger "cut" for the buck.

I3uller
11-27-2007, 05:15 AM
I'm a big fan of CRKT (Columbia River Knife and Tools) knives. The one I'm using now has stood through a year of training exercises at Bragg and about 6 months so far over here with all the dust and **** it still works well. Its the My Tighe knife. Got it on Steep and Cheap for like 35 bucks.

CCF7
11-27-2007, 08:34 AM
can't go wrong with a benchmade.

TriChrome
11-27-2007, 10:20 AM
I agree that Benchmade can make a well designed knife, but my limited experience with them hasn't been good. I'm not a fan of their 154CM steel (which is supposed to be a high end metal compared to all the 420/440 knives I've owned in the past).

I've owned two Mel Pardue model 530's, and both of them got knicks in the blade after only a couple weeks of use... and I never, ever, cut anything made of metal whatsoever (just rope, leather, cardboard boxes with no staples, wood, plastic banding straps, the regular stuff you cut with a knife). Sure, the knicks sharpened out, but I had to go all the way to my course diamond stone to get them out (when every other knife usually gets the fine stone, medium at the worst).

ZoneOne
11-27-2007, 03:07 PM
Ontario and Benchmade both make great knives. I have a TAK-1 that I have used during many survival classes and it has held up very well.

Either way you go-- you'll get a great blade. Just make sure you are getting the correct size blade for what you plan on doing.

Brian Kroon
11-27-2007, 03:55 PM
Little Icebear,

Go with the Ontario in carbon steel. Easier to sharpen under primative conditions like a rock, more ductile for prying and chopping and you can strike it on quartzite rock and get sparks for firelightlighting.

I have had both knives and both are excellent but as wilderness knife the Ontario wins out.

Kind Regards
Brian Kroon

little icebear
11-28-2007, 02:58 PM
Thank you all for your replies!

The Ontario is a little bit cheaper than the Benchmade but the sheath it comes with looks quite crappy while the one the Benchmade is delivered with seems to be allright.
I tend to go for the Ontaria Tak1, but first I´ll figure out how much it will cost to get a decent kydex-sheath for this knive. I´ve already looked through couple of homepages for tailormade sheaths. Guess I will spend some bucks on a nice kydex-sheath with tac-lock.

TacoDelRio
11-28-2007, 07:16 PM
My opinion:
Ontario = Honda
Benchmade = Acura

Both are top-quality.

If I had a buncha cash, and I wanted a nice folder as an EDC blade (everyday carry), I'd get a Benchmade.

If I wanted a hard-use outdoors fixed blade to beat to hell and expect it to keep up, I'd get an Ontario.

Lions2012
12-24-2007, 10:02 PM
Hey all,

For Christmas, the moms and dads gave me my first real knife: a Kershaw 1670-BLKST. It has the speed-safe opening mechanism and cuts like a dream. Anyone have experience with it, or, a similar knife?

Merry Xmas,

--sl

Cipher
12-24-2007, 11:59 PM
Your parents bought you a weapon for Christmas?

gaijinsamurai
12-25-2007, 12:12 AM
Yeah, I'm shocked that someone would actually buy their kid something they might utilize for VIOLENCE on Christmas! They should have given you a "turn the other cheek" manual, or a how-to video on immigrating to Canada to avoid military service!




Seriously though, I don't have the model you received, but Kershaw makes excellent knives. Congratulations on getting an excellent gift! i hope it comes in handy!

wayneard3413
12-25-2007, 01:38 AM
Your parents bought you a weapon for Christmas?

Hmm.. so i guess i shouldnt mention the .270 i got from my mom a few years back or the fact that my grandpa always throws a few boxes of assorted ammo in with my present every year?

Buckeye67
12-25-2007, 01:39 AM
100% badass... is it the "Foreign Legion" model? p-)

Insane Tadpole
12-25-2007, 01:55 AM
My father got me my first hunting knife when I was 12....

pfcsmith1371
12-25-2007, 01:56 AM
You should have gotten a multi-tool, something like a Leathermen or a Gerber they come in more handy than a knife.

Midn./Patriot
12-25-2007, 01:58 AM
Hmm.. so i guess i shouldnt mention the .270 i got from my mom a few years back or the fact that my grandpa always throws a few boxes of assorted ammo in with my present every year?

That is a great story, thats pretty funny that you had ammo mixed in with your gifts. I just got to ask where you grew up though.

wayneard3413
12-25-2007, 02:11 AM
Right outside of Roanoke VA

gaijinsamurai
12-25-2007, 02:35 AM
When I was 16, my parents got me a Ruger 10-22. I still have it. (24 years later!)

Sneeker
12-25-2007, 05:16 AM
cuts like a dream.

--sl

Cuts what like a dream? Steak? Cheese?

Lions2012
12-25-2007, 11:26 AM
Quite the comedic replies. Aha-ha.

Dan2004
12-25-2007, 12:23 PM
Hmm.. so i guess i shouldnt mention the .270 i got from my mom a few years back or the fact that my grandpa always throws a few boxes of assorted ammo in with my present every year?

The 1911 my dad got me for my 16th birthday. My mother was less than pleased. rofl

Or the Ka-Bar he sent me for my 17th....

WarriorMonk
12-25-2007, 03:44 PM
I want a silenced Ruger Mk2 for my birthday...

Mofreaka
12-25-2007, 10:07 PM
Lol, assorted ammo, sounds like a good stocking stuffer, right next to the socks and the nuts.

Xaito
12-25-2007, 10:26 PM
Your parents bought you a weapon for Christmas?

your parents never did? :D



You should have gotten a multi-tool, something like a Leathermen or a Gerber they come in more handy than a knife.
x2 but I can also remember that when I was 16 or so I'd rather have a knife because of that "badass" BS ;)
The insight that you can't do anything with it that a pocketknife couldn't do just as well or better comes a while after you get your first knife.

Hav218
12-26-2007, 12:09 AM
I've seen pictures here and there, yet haven't been able to find any sites that sell what I'm looking for.

Basically, tough/rugged/durable. Fixed blade, full to medium sized, kydex plastic sheath, preferably in desert tan.

Any ideas?

Lt. James Anderson
12-26-2007, 12:17 AM
http://www.knivesplus.com/ontario-qn-rat7.html

This is the one I have.
No plastic sheath but who cares ...

loganinkosovo
12-26-2007, 12:48 AM
http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/enlarged/27332Ldotjpg


http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=10861&TabID=1&CatID=11


http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/enlarged/28749Ldotjpg


http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=9542&TabID=1&CatID=11


http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/enlarged/28750Ldotjpg

http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=9543&TabID=1&CatID=11


http://www.uscav.com/prodinfo/enlarged/22218Ldotjpg


http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=6702&TabID=1&CatID=11

schwarz
12-26-2007, 01:56 AM
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=140

http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=145 (try a dealer or ebay/ awesome little knife btw, own one)

BillySing
12-26-2007, 05:10 AM
I've seen pictures here and there, yet haven't been able to find any sites that sell what I'm looking for.

Basically, tough/rugged/durable. Fixed blade, full to medium sized, kydex plastic sheath, preferably in desert tan.

Any ideas?

If you don't mind me inquiring, for what purpose do you intend to use said knife?

Such information may assist in providing a suggestion.

elyisum
12-26-2007, 05:33 AM
You get what you pay for.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2349/2137204831_a6aa9b6931dotjpg

TacoDelRio
12-26-2007, 12:27 PM
The Cold Steel SRK is a great knife, especially considering the sub-$100 dollar price (or so it was when I sold them). I added this knife because I would just spraypaint the sheath.


http://www.knivesplus.com/ontario-qn-rat7.html

This is the one I have.
No plastic sheath but who cares ...

Apparently he does, hence why he included it in the question.

tango44
12-26-2007, 01:50 PM
The Best:

http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/shop/images/glock-field-knifedotjpg


GLOCK FIELD KNIFE

Birger
12-26-2007, 02:14 PM
GLOCK FIELD KNIFE

You gotta be kidding me

pfcsmith1371
12-26-2007, 02:20 PM
http://www.builderdepot.com/SOG_15/prodimg/SOGE37TSdotjpg
Here's my knife SOG Seal pup

Kap
12-26-2007, 02:23 PM
Lol Tango you're trying to map to your actual HDD. You can't do that.

nemrac
12-26-2007, 03:58 PM
try this site i get all my knifes from them quick shipping, decent prices and wide selection.
let us know what you ended up with.
http://www.knifecenter.com/

tango44
12-26-2007, 06:37 PM
Lol Tango you're trying to map to your actual HDD. You can't do that.

I don't know what I did, but I'll make sure that never happens again!

Limeyfellow
12-27-2007, 02:22 AM
You can't go wrong with a decent multitool. I use my Gerber one for just about everything from a regular use screwdriver, opening letters and breaking down boxes, opening cans and bottles, tightening up my telescopes, debarking wood, to forcing a lock open in a restroom so I could get out.

For Christmas I got a new khukuri this year. Intend to put it to work tommorrow. Plenty of saplings, branches and brambles to cut back before I get back to work next week.

digrar
12-27-2007, 05:40 AM
A search brings up 30 knife thread, do we need another? No.

buckstix
01-06-2008, 10:40 PM
Hello folks,

I have been collecting a RARE and almost totally unheard of hand forged US Military fighting knife called a Van Adstine double edge daggger. It was made from W.W.I to W.W.II by a man here in Wisconsin by the name of Robert Van Adestine.

http://members.aol.com/buckstix/buckpics/blade3dotjpg

For the last 3 years I posted $300 rewards for anyone that found me examples of these RARE knives and I now have the largest collection of Van Adestine knives in the country. I still offer the $300 reward if you find one for me.

http://members.aol.com/buckstix/buckpics/4fightdotjpg

If you wish to learn more about these RARE knives and see more pictures, visit my web site.

http://www.yostaction.com/vanadestine.html

Robert Van Adestine also made hunting knives.

The $300 reward goes for the Hunting Knife also.

http://members.aol.com/buckstix/buckpics/kjerhuntdotjpg

I believe there are still hundreds of Van Adestine knives out there to be discovered because he made them continuously for 65 years from 1895 until 1959. He lived and made hand forged knives at the very same time as William Scagel.

buckstix
01-08-2008, 05:37 PM
Hello All,

here is some more updated information ..

Robert Van Adestine and his father Andrew Van Adestine have some how been "missed" by history. This is very sad because they were unsung contributor's to our US soldiers, filling their need for Military Fighting knives at the beginning of the World Wars when fighting knives were in short supply.

I have been actively seeking them out for over 3 years now, and have found many, but it has been very difficult to locate something that is virtually "unknown" to the knife collector world.

I think that the book that is being offered will help collector's to locate and identify these lost treasures. The book is like a treasure hunters guide for the military fighting knife collector.

It's like this ....

Robert Van Adestine made hand forged knives from 1895 to 1959 - William Scagel made knives from 1891 to 1963. Their hand forged knife making overlapped 64 years. Scagel knives sell today for tens of thoudands of dollars, yet the Van Adestine knives remain unknown.

http://members.aol.com/buckstix/buckpics/wbpicdotjpg

Perhaps someday history will correct itself and give the Van Adestine name the long overdue recognition that it deserves. What's really strange is that the World Book Encyclopedia used a photo of Robert Van Adestine's Dagger in their publication from 1947 until 1982 - for over "35 years" - see below.

If WORLD BOOK heard of VANADESTINE knives back then, how come no one else has?

see my link for more info. http://www.yostaction.com/vanadestine.html (http://www.yostaction.com/vanadestine.html)

http://members.aol.com/buckstix/buckpics/wb4782dotjpg

Your comments are welcome ... If you have one of these Van Adestine fighting or hunting knives in your collection, please contact me. I would like to add the specifications to my on-going study.


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Adam Wilhelm
01-10-2008, 09:12 AM
I don´t have any Adestine knife but i find it very interesting. The blade shape of the dagger is quite unusual.

oldsoak
01-10-2008, 07:10 PM
- as an aside, double edged knives were sold by the Hudson Bay Company to the
trappers and the like in the 19th cent - who favoured them because if one edge got blunt, you could use the other. Might sound odd to us nowadays, but if you could afford only one knife that had to do more than one job, it makes sense. They werent small items either. They were sold as blades - you put your own handle on. They looked quite similar to this - they were 10 inches by 2.5 inches and quarter inch thick.
Looking at the VA fighting knife, its very robustly made and I wonder what the blade grind is - any more info ? Was it purpose designed or was it an adaptation from an existing design ?

buckstix
01-11-2008, 09:25 AM
Robert Van Adestine fashioned his double edge fighting knife design after a Roman short sword. It was designed primarily for combat use for wwi and wwii. The blade grind is hollow ground, both sides, both edges.

http://members.aol.com/buckstix/buckpics/blade7dotjpg

Kommbat
01-16-2008, 11:35 AM
Benchmade ERT1

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT11dotjpg





The Benchmade 10105 ERT1, Emergency Rescue Tool-1, is a compact and lightweight device equipped with a V-shaped blade, a windowbreaker, light and a carry clip.





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT12dotjpg





The V-shaped hook blade is made out of a carbone steel with a large portion of cobalt. This for keeping the edge sharp over a longer period of use and it helps to keep rust of the blade.



Out of the box the edge is extremely sharp. The thump stud is tall enough to be operated with a working-glove. You can change the side of the stud very easy with a torx-driver. The lock-back mechanism lock’s the blade very rigid without any play. The “tip” of the curved blade is rounded so you don’t have to worry that you could hurt the person you want to rescue or arrest.





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT13dotjpg





Cutting soft material is a breeze with it. A seatbelt or a coil of 5 para-cords is not an issue for his blade. So I cutted a double layer of leather and a Cordura duty-belt with a polythene core by side several other stuff. Both were no issue too. But to cut he belt you had to apply a quiet amount of force.





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT15dotjpg





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT16dotjpg





On the bottom side you will find the spring loaded windowbreaker. When a window is hit with the tailcap, the cover will be pushed inward for about 1/3 of an inch before the strong spring loaded striker-tip hit’s the window. Breaking car-windows is very easy with it even if you don’t hit the corners of the window. The kinetic energy of the striker is very powerful.





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT17dotjpg





There is a little LED-light pointing toward the blade. This helps a lot when you have to work with the ERT1 in the dark and you may need your other hand. The rubber switch seams durable. The batteries are included. I dropped the ERT1 into a sink for one minute to see how it will work when wet. As I took it out it worked for about 8 on/off operations and after that it stayed dark. So I thought about taking it apart to dry the lamp-system. Well, you need 3 different torx, one very tiny, one Allen-head and a Philips-driver to get it apart. Since I don’t had that small torx-drivers I wanted see if it dries from itself. After about 10 minutes I could switch the light on again. But it would not go off when I pushed the button. After several tries to switch off the LED the Battery died after aprox. 3 hours.





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT18dotjpg





Normally I am a 100% „tip-up-carry“ guy but the carry-clip will just allow you a „tip-down-carry“. Butt his is not bothering me on this tool since a „tip-up-carry“ would just rune your pants when carried in a front-pocket. The blade would open during the draw like a „wave-type“ blade and cut your pocket. It´s not a problem for a south-paw to carry. You just have to switch the thump-stud to the other side and you are good to go.

What I really miss on this thing is a lanyard-hole.







The ERT1 is a very stable tool. Sharp blade, powerfull glas striker and a bright light. But if you plan to use it in a maritime environment and you have to count on a light, then you better pack another torch as a backup.





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/Sampels/web-ERT14dotjpg





For me the ERT1 is not just another rescue-tool. I my opinion it is a little more. If you work in law enforcement and you want a „car-entry-device“ but you are already humping around with a truckload of gear. Or you pull plain clothes duty and you can’t carry large tools. Then the ERT will help a lot to extract the subject of your arrest warrant out of his car, right trough the window by the „Carp-Hold“, even if the doors are looked.





I hope this review is useful for you.

ZoneOne
01-17-2008, 11:28 AM
Thanks for the detailed review. It looks like an essential piece of kit for anyone working as a First Responder or Law Enforcement.

LillaMy
01-17-2008, 04:34 PM
I want your gloves.. :-)

Kommbat
01-18-2008, 10:20 AM
It has its pro´s and con´s but for a rescue-service or some work in LE it is a good piece of gear.

The Gloves are Mechanix Heavy-Duty gloves.
I will post a review of them soon.

Mister_manji
01-19-2008, 12:03 AM
why would you buy a knife good only for cutting line and straps?

BillySing
01-19-2008, 12:45 AM
why would you buy a knife good only for cutting line and straps?

It's not a knife. It's an Emergency Rescue Tool. It's good for breaking glass and it has a flashlight. There's little point in criticizing a tool that is designed to break glass and cut seatbelts because it lacks versatility. It's like wondering why a watch only tells you the time and why it won't make you a waffle and tell you the weather in Burkina Faso.

It also won't get you into trouble with the cops. Imagine if Inspector Plod peered into your vehicle and saw a monstrous knife sitting in the glove box?

"Oh no Officer, you've got the wrong idea, It's there just in case I need to cut my seat belt"

Good Review, Kommbat! :D

TacoDelRio
01-19-2008, 02:02 AM
Good response, Billy. LOL!

Kommbat
01-19-2008, 06:38 AM
why would you buy a knife good only for cutting line and straps?


I see most knifes as tool´s made for different tasks.

A fishing-knife is perfect for slicing the fish....is it a good fighter ?
Like a A-F-dagger ?
Is it a good camp knife like a CS Recon-scout ?
What about beeing the second-to-non EDC like a CQC7 ?

When you need a fighter,camp-knife or fishing-knife then the ERT1 is not for you.

But if you need tool that can brake glas, make light and cut soft material without hurting a person close to it, even when in a hurry ?
Then I woud say the ERT1 could be the way to go.

On other sites were I posted this review peopel told me that they keep it in there car´s just in case they have to free themself.


@Billy: I want that knife that tells me the weather in Burkina Faso. But just for Burkina Faso ;)

hattori_gonzo
02-13-2008, 07:14 PM
I'm thinkin of :
SOG Seal Pup or Gerber LMF II ASEK too

What are your suggestions?

pifferm
02-13-2008, 07:53 PM
I ordered a Gerber and I'm very glad.

88thunder
02-14-2008, 02:22 PM
Anyone have any idea what this knife is? Thanks!

http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/photo/data/500/UCPRAVdotjpg

Christophe
02-14-2008, 04:34 PM
An old article in SOF mag, PDF file.
Quite interesting.

http://www.sogknives.com/documents/SOG-FightingKnives.pdf

Christophe
02-14-2008, 04:50 PM
Here are a few pictures of genuine SOG recon knives:
Real beauties.

Vince S
02-14-2008, 05:25 PM
Don't forget about the Bolo. Once in a while they pop out on Ebay, wish I had more money back then

Christophe
02-14-2008, 05:33 PM
You want the bolo?
Here it is, the round tip as well as the square tip SOG bolo:

Pidyon Shevuyim
02-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Don't forget about the Bolo. Once in a while they pop out on Ebay, wish I had more money back then

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vietnam-SOG-Bolo-Prototype-Knife-w-Prototype-Scab_W0QQitemZ350025748567QQihZ022QQcategoryZ585QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

they sure have started to fetch alot of money...

orionhawk
02-15-2008, 11:36 AM
I was gonna say Lightfoot or Emerson, based on the blade shape and stamp location, but I can't find a knife like that in either of their catalogs. It might just be an MTech or Puma or Fury, one of the knockoff companies. A bigger pic might help somebody id the blade stamp. I'd swear I oughtta recognize the handle.

88thunder
02-15-2008, 12:52 PM
After google searching for "micarta handle tanto tip" I came across this Bill Harsey knife. But the logo is stamped in a different location on the blade. Anyone know of any companies knocking off Bill Harsey knives. Chris Reeve knives has been eliminated as well. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

Bill Harsey Custom Tanto
http://www.signedknife.com/images/Dscf1050at1040dotjpg

orionhawk
02-15-2008, 06:38 PM
this is also an image of the left-hand side of the blade, vice the right. it probably doesn't have the same stamp on both sides.

if anyone is knocking off on it, you don't want their product. best to stick with originals. I have never seen a knockoff that was worth even its reduced cost. MTech, Puma, and Fury are the 3 main knockoff/clone companies I am familiar with, but they all suck. I only buy knives by those three if I intend to use the pattern to make a better one later.

Walker-69
02-16-2008, 06:15 AM
The bevel seems a wee bit different between the two knives... but it could be the light. But could it be an engraving and not a logo on the first knife?

davidtkl
02-16-2008, 09:27 AM
There is a rare SOG pistol too:

http://combat-missions.com/forums/index.php?topic=50.0

Christophe
02-16-2008, 09:45 AM
Here´s an article on it by John Plaster, from his website.

SOG'S MOST EXCLUSIVE MEMORABILIA: SILVER PISTOL
By Maj. John L. Plaster, USAR (Ret.) from http://www.ultimatesniper.com/

Though the famed SOG knife has become the Vietnam War's most sought after Special Operations artifact -- with even reproductions commanding hundreds of dollars -- this attractive blade is not the most exclusive or valuable SOG souvenir.

Unknown except to the virtual handful of Green Beret recon team leaders who received one, is the top secret MACV-SOG's most coveted award: The Boxed Presentation Browning Hi-Power Pistol.

Officially designated the "Reconnaissance Team Leader Special Recognition Award," it was called the "Silver Pistol" in SOG recon circles. Each pistol was presented personally by Chief SOG in a Saigon ceremony, usually to recognize an especially dramatic mission, or for earning a high award such as the Medal of Honor.

It's unlikely you'll ever see these extremely rare pistols -- which have yet to appear even in a museum. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first public disclosure of their very existence.


The Silver SOG Pistol

Acquired clandestinely to prevent their being traced back to the United States, SOG's weaponry included an amazing array of everything from suppressed Sten Guns to Walther automatics and even the unique Gyrojet Rocket Pistol. Our reliance upon these non-standard weapons was driven by the need for 'deniability' should team gear fall into foreign hands; like Mr. Phelps and his fictional 'Mission Impossible' force, SOG's cross-border forays could not leave behind any embarassing evidence.

It was this deniability requirement that caused our armory to include a goodly number of Browning 9mm Hi-Power pistols, which became SOG's favored combat sidearm. With solid steel construc- tion and a high magazine capacity, the Browning proved rugged, reliable and effective.

Sometime in late 1968 or early 1969, SOG headquarters arranged for a small number of these clandestinely acquired Browning pistols to be chrome-plated and boxed as the "Reconnaissance Team Leader Special Recognition Award." It was a fittingly clandestine award for a fittingly clandestine project.

Each pistol is boxed in a handsome, handmade black lacquered case, lined in aquamarine blue velvet and includes an engraved brass plate with the recipient's name. But in keeping with SOG's "hush-hush" tradition, even the plate avoids using the terms "SOG" or "Special Forces," describing the recipient only as a "MACV Long Range Recon Team Leader."

However, the accompanying paperwork -- without which you could not bring it home -- necessarily identified this weapon as being in the possession of a SOG trooper. Issued complete with war trophy documents and an export license application from the U.S. Embassy, it included a citation which, like so many SOG items, makes no direct reference even to SOG's existence.


How Many Are There?

During my years in SOG, I personally knew of about a half-dozen SOG pistols being presented to fellow recon team leaders. And of these, three were given to Medal of Honor winners.

These Medal of Honor recipients -- Robert Howard, Fred Zabitoski and Franklin Miller -- were all from CCC at Kontum. The only other living SOG Medal of Honor Winner, a CCN man, Jon Cavaiani, had been a POW and was not released by Hanoi until after SOG had been disbanded, so he could not have received a Silver Pistol.

In several cases, recon men did not live long enough to be presented the SOG Pistols they deserved. In fact, when I learned I was to be awarded a Silver Pistol, I was so concerned about too soon "biting the dust" that I requested an immediate presentation so I could carry it home on leave. Considering SOG´s high casualty rates, it was not overly melodramatic to think you were living on borrowed time.

Still, some other team leaders received pistols, which, if you multiply this over time and take into account that recon team leaders at CCN and CCS also were presented Brownings, yields a realistic estimate of about 40 or perhaps 50 total pistols in existence.

And at least one SOG pistol is floating around because it was stolen from a former recon team leader's whole baggage en route from Germany to a stateside military post.

Renee
02-20-2008, 03:11 PM
Both knives are the same knife design and equally authentic.

The knife displayed in the top photo (the photo is actually taken by the peson it was commissioned for, was originally posted by them on another website -not onesixthwarriors - and should be considered their property i.e. ask for permission before reposting) is a custom commissioned design tanto by Bill Harsey that he later put into production (making knife in the first picture knife #1 of that model), thus the difference in signatures. Interested parties can buy their own Harsey Custom Tanto at the same place picture # 2 is linked from, Christensen Knife and Manufacturing.

http://www.signedknife.com/harseycustomtanto.htm

Thanks,
Renee

Bill Harsey
02-22-2008, 06:33 PM
First, I checked this website and did not find a place for making an introduction, If I have missed it, please advise and I will try again.
That said, here goes:

My name is Bill Harsey,
Thank you very much for letting me make a post here. I both make and design knives.
Yes the knives are mine.
I usually place the etched mark on the front of the knife blade and use the obtuse side of the blade to hand engrave the alloy of steel, date and sometimes my initials.
Yes the grinds may be slightly different from knife to knife even among the same blade profile. Some are quite different on purpose. All grinding done here by me is free-hand.

Ms. Renee,
Thank you very much for the cover while I was over at the Chris Reeve Knives shop this last week.
I agree with what you state.

Laconian
02-22-2008, 07:58 PM
Mr. Harsey, Welcome to mp.net. It's an honor to have you here.

orionhawk
02-22-2008, 08:01 PM
Yes, quite. Welcome aboard!

maw
02-22-2008, 08:01 PM
First, I checked this website and did not find a place for making an introduction, If I have missed it, please advise and I will try again.
That said, here goes:

My name is Bill Harsey,
Thank you very much for letting me make a post here. I both make and design knives.
Yes the knives are mine.
I usually place the etched mark on the front of the knife blade and use the obtuse side of the blade to hand engrave the alloy of steel, date and sometimes my initials.
Yes the grinds may be slightly different from knife to knife even among the same blade profile. Some are quite different on purpose. All grinding done here by me is free-hand.

Ms. Renee,
Thank you very much for the cover while I was over at the Chris Reeve Knives shop this last week.
I agree with what you state.

wow! Bill, thanks for coming to our little piece of the internet. you're very welcome. after i saw sneaky_sf_dude's t3 i had to get one. best production military folder on the market bar none. i previously relied on a strider ar which had plenty of cool dude factor, but doesn't compare for me.
one day i'd like very much to pick up one of your custom pieces.

diminiko
04-04-2008, 05:17 AM
I'm interesting on buying the Gerber LMF II survival knife and i'd like to have your opinion or experience.....

diminiko
04-04-2008, 05:21 AM
http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08145/65d1_1848dotjpg (http://xs.to)

GETSOME
04-04-2008, 09:42 AM
What do they cost?

Scrim
04-04-2008, 09:56 AM
Costs around $100. My favorite knife I have. Google it there are tons of good reviews about it.
I have 2 complaints though. On mine the snap on the back of the scabbard doesnt stay closed anymore. The Para cord cutter thing is a waste of time. It works, but its huge. I dont know why they didnt make it smaller and you could attach it to the scabbard or something.

MustangPWR
04-04-2008, 07:26 PM
The cutter is great for clothes, if you need to rapidly remove someones clothes or gear the knife inside is more then sharp enough to do the job, plus the handle and lanyard make it easy to use in a situation where your hands are moving fast or they are slippery (from blood or what not)

why spend 100 when you can get it for almost half, http://www.lapolicegear.com/lmfiiasek.html

I got my knife from them and i like it a lot, if you are planning on getting it from them send me a PM and ill have a coupon you can use that will save you even more seeing that you are in Greece.

Splat
04-04-2008, 09:50 PM
Thanks Mustang! I've been contemplating getting an LMF 2 but that price for new just made up my mind. :)

pifferm
04-05-2008, 11:17 AM
I have and love it too.

little icebear
04-05-2008, 11:21 AM
I just wanted to say that the knive is nice but that you can get less expensive ones with at least equal quality.



why spend 100 when you can get it for almost half, http://www.lapolicegear.com/lmfiiasek.html


But a price-tag around 50 or 60 bucks sounds fine.

Infanteer90
04-07-2008, 01:06 AM
I picked up mine off ebay for about $75. So far I am happy with it but of course I don't use it as an everyday knife. I wrapped para cord around the scabbard (for emergencies) and was surprised that it would easily hold about 10 feet worth in a single layer.

The asek tool that sometimes comes with the knife is designed for cutting seatbelt webbing in emergencies which is why it is of a size that it can be easily manipulated in a stressful situation. Sure you can use it to cut other stuff but why? Thats what the blade on the knife is for...

Splat
04-07-2008, 12:03 PM
Order away to lapolicegear for a black LMF II infantry. $68 shipped is better than what I've seen on Fleabay for a new one.

packetloss
04-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Hey guys - Fast question;

I generally carry with me my multitool for work stuff, but we have a new facility where anything with a blade is not allowed in our new facility - But we ARE permitted a 'keychain knife'. (Yes, one of those fist blades for stabbing people is ok (As long as your keys are attached!), but a SOG tool is not, go figure)

I use the blade a lot, so i will bend to the new (braindead, useless) rule - Can anyone recommmend a decent rig for hanging on a keychain?

Chulo
04-07-2008, 12:41 PM
I guess it depends on the length of the blade- In the U.S i think a 3.6 inch blade is considered a keychain - Findout exactly how long the blade can be first

orionhawk
04-07-2008, 12:50 PM
I recommend Cold Steel Cutlery's Super Edge.

http://www.coldsteel.com/utilityknives.html

Also, I have never heard of a 3.6-in-blade keychain knife. There is no legal definition of "keychain knife" that I am aware of. The term generally refers to knives like Cold Steel's "Pal" series and Super Edge, or to miniature folders like the Spyderco Spin or miniature multitools like the Leatherman Juice.

Chulo
04-07-2008, 12:57 PM
what i mean by a 3.6 inch keychain knife, is that that is the max size you are allowed to carry on your person before you get in trouble with the law. not necessarily a knife attached to a keychain

playtym
04-07-2008, 01:13 PM
we have a new facility where anything with a blade is not allowed in our new facility

I hope it doesn't rain a lot there cuz it'll suck not being able to take your wiper blades to work. p-)

orionhawk
04-07-2008, 01:13 PM
oh. most areas around me use a 3-1/2 inch limit. I know one county limits to 3 inches. I don't think the state (MI) limits at all, just no dirks, daggers, swords, switchblades or gravity knives, and don't commit a crime with it.

The U.S. government doesn't have any laws at all pertaining to knives, that I am aware of.

If he's looking for a keychain knife, he certainly won't need to worry about length limits...

packetloss
04-07-2008, 01:23 PM
Thats for the responses. This isnt a legal limitation, its a secure facility limitation. The idea is that anything thats made to fit on a keychain wont be oversized, will fit in your pocket. It is a 'loose guideline, with all tools still subject to the approval of security' - This is a knife for ripping through zip ties, small wires, etc. (im a network engineer for a telephone company)

Was just asking the security guys - putting a key ring though the lanyard hole might be an option if its still small, but its dicey.

thanks orion, sending this one to them now:
http://www.coldsteel.com/superedge.html

orionhawk
04-07-2008, 01:30 PM
Was just asking the security guys - putting a key ring though the lanyard hole might be an option if its still small, but its dicey.

thanks orion, sending this one to them now:
http://www.coldsteel.com/superedge.html
no prob. The Spyderco Spin I mentioned above would be a good knife for just putting the key ring through the lanyard hole.

Walker-69
04-07-2008, 01:54 PM
How about the Spyderco Ladybug. The current model is VG-10 steel, which means it holds its edge much better than most cheaper knives. They also come with a serrated edge if you want, serrations work better on some materials but are a nuisance with some other materials. I personally like serrations. The Ladybug, I think, is the smallest model offered now by Spyderco, and it's designed to be a keychain knife.

Molli
04-07-2008, 02:50 PM
CRKT ID Works? Link: http://www.crkt.com/idworksintro.html.

maw
04-07-2008, 03:44 PM
why not attach your multitool to a keychain?

packetloss
04-07-2008, 03:56 PM
why not attach your multitool to a keychain?

As i said,


But we ARE permitted a 'keychain knife'. (Yes, one of those fist blades for stabbing people is ok (As long as your keys are attached!), but a SOG tool is not, go figure)

For some reason, they are allowing subjective inputs by the security people to approve or deny individual tools - *NO* multitools have been approved.

Thanks guys, the ladybug looks discontinued, but ill look around! i might try a few - Although for what im doing i prefer serrated edges. We'll see, and ill let you know. Thanks guys!

maw
04-07-2008, 04:18 PM
As i said,
For some reason, they are allowing subjective inputs by the security people to approve or deny individual tools - *NO* multitools have been approved.


sorry, i'm an anti-establishment ass. i figured attaching your multi-tool to a key chain would transform it into a key chain knife. most pocket knives have lanyard holes that you could attach to a key chain, couldn't you use basically any pocket knife under those rules?

fwiw, i carry a boker sub-com on my key chain and dual use it as a money clip. its a very good little knife and sharp enough to shave out of the box. boker make several types of subcom, some with serrations. next i've got my eye on the subclaw:
http://www.boker.de/us/index.php?c=48,2

Laconian
04-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Gerber makes some keychain multi tools:
http://www.gerberstore.com/index.php?xpage=catalog&category_id=key

I have one that is not listed here it folds up to just bigger than a silver dollar that I bought at Wal-Mart and stays in my fishing vest.

T3ngu
04-07-2008, 04:29 PM
I normally take a knife of some description everywhere. I recently worked at a smelter where all knives were banned to stop people cutting themselves. Had to surrender my leatherman.

Geez when will people take some responsibility for their own actions.

Evil Scientist
04-07-2008, 05:20 PM
I have a CRKT k.i.s.s with tanto in black, very slim
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.agrussell.com/var/storage/original/image/phpWHVFGJdotjpg&imgrefurl=http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_maker/a_through_d/columbia_river_knife_and_tool/crkt_kiss_plain_edge.html&h=280&w=473&sz=18&hl=nl&start=6&um=1&tbnid=Tm1vNblGc4DqnM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3DCRKT%2Bkiss%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:nl:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLR%26sa%3DN



and a Byrd Robin, which is essentially a spyderco brand i think.
http://www.gpknives.com/images/spyderco/SPBY10%5Bthumb%5Ddotjpg


I usually carry the CRKT because it weighs less, but the byrd is better suited for work. I think the CRKT with a normal pointed edge would be optimum for me but I liked the tanto for its looks

diminiko
04-07-2008, 06:06 PM
The cutter is great for clothes, if you need to rapidly remove someones clothes or gear the knife inside is more then sharp enough to do the job, plus the handle and lanyard make it easy to use in a situation where your hands are moving fast or they are slippery (from blood or what not)

why spend 100 when you can get it for almost half, http://www.lapolicegear.com/lmfiiasek.html

I got my knife from them and i like it a lot, if you are planning on getting it from them send me a PM and ill have a coupon you can use that will save you even more seeing that you are in Greece.

Thank's a lot Mustang...

flanker7
04-07-2008, 06:10 PM
I've hold the Infantry knife. Looks great, but a bit heavy

Ezekiel25:17
04-07-2008, 10:17 PM
Bestest.

http://www.thompsonoutdoors.com/images/kabarusmcseveninchdotjpg

GETSOME
04-08-2008, 07:52 AM
http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08145/65d1_1848dotjpg (http://xs.to)
Anyone know where i can one of these in Europe,thanks?

red dragon
04-09-2008, 09:54 PM
my keychain knife for work stuff.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NAK7MM8AL._SS500_dotjpg

Andy-M
04-10-2008, 04:56 AM
I've found the CRKT Rollock 2 to be an excellent keychain knife

http://www.worldwideknives.com/CRKT/rollockss.html

beer_garden
04-11-2008, 01:51 AM
I've got this (made by Wenger):

http://www.wenger.ch/knife/Products/Pocket_knives/Evolution_Serie/65mm.html

http://www.wenger.ch/htdocs/Attachments/Pictures/2007410_738346251dotjpg

digrar
04-13-2008, 10:05 AM
I normally take a knife of some description everywhere. I recently worked at a smelter where all knives were banned to stop people cutting themselves. Had to surrender my leatherman.

Geez when will people take some responsibility for their own actions.

The WA mining industry is pretty much like this across the board now. My company is not even keen on stanley knives/box cutters. So my leatherman charge sits at home gathering dust. Nice.

eques
04-13-2008, 02:02 PM
There are few very nice small knives:
My favorite: Spyderco Spin- 1,8" VG-10 full flat grind blade
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8961/ca86ptj5dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Spyderco Cricket- 1,875" VG-10 blade
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/9952/sscricketsboth1bm1dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)
Cricket's blade shape is a little bit strange but it's very good for opening packages.

Boker Subcom- 1,88" AUS8 blade
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2442/bbo589kv0dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)
There are also versions with wharncliffe and hawkbill blades.

Something cheaper (16$): Byrd Finch, 1,875" blade, chinese steel (imho comparable to 440A (not 440C!) ), tiny backlock hard to unlock with one hand
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1243/byrd11pov7dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Benchmade Benchite II, 1,9" AUS8 blade, strange locking system, called levitator lock, almost impossible to open with one hand
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6169/bm10610sh1dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Walker-69
05-02-2008, 03:33 AM
First of all, even though I am Finnish, I am not really into Finnish "puukko" knives. I am very partial to Spyderco. Spyderco is an American brand from Colorado but the knives themselves are also made in Japan and once in a while in some other countries, depending on model (Taiwan, Italy, maybe Germany). Golden, Colorado, produces most of the expensive Spydie models.

Enter BYRD knives. The Byrds are designed by Spyderco but they are made in China, where labour costs are lower and hence the knives can be made much cheaper. The Byrds look different from Spydies, Spydies have a round hole for one-handed opening (thumb is used for opening the knife), whereas the Byrds have a 'comet'-shaped hole.

First I thought, "My gosh! How can knives be so ugly?" Spydies are so ugly that they look cool, but the design of the Byrds is just plain tasteless. Well that's just my opinion.

Ok but some time ago I read a review on the Byrd Cara Cara and they said that it is very good value for money. So I bought a Byrd Finch (keychain knife), then a Cara Cara rescue, and then a Byrd Cara Cara with half serrated blade.

I can say that the Cara Cara really feels good in the hand. It has steel liners that go all the way through the handle, and I am convinced that it can take quite a beating. There is a back lock that locks the blade in place, as with many Spydies. The serrations are a bit less deep than in Spydies (they call it SpyderEdge with Spyderco knives).

I attach a group photo of some knives. Starting from top:

Tim Wegner Mouse lite
Spyderco Police
Byrd Cara Cara
Byrd Finch, Spyderco Jester
Spyderco Centofante 4
Finnish Puukko in its sheath
Fork, to give some idea of relative size.

The Police is going away as a gift tomorrow. I can't find a use for it - the Cara Cara feels like a much better all-round knife. The Centofante 4 is actually my favourite knife, but it is slender and more of a "gentleman's knife" - not an all-rounder. The Finch and the Jester are very similar and must have been based on the same basic design.

Bottom line: the Byrds are much better than I thought, they seem to be excellent value and they feel like real tools. I really like the Cara Cara and am looking forward to putting it to hard work.

P.S. don't get me wrong, the "Police" is of superb quality and it's a marvel of design. I just don't feel like I need a big folder with a stainless steel handle.

TacoDelRio
05-02-2008, 03:56 AM
I love my Spyderco knives, and Spyderco in general.

Won't comment on the Byrd-Chinese stuff, aside from what I just said.

I carry a Harpy or a Delica everyday.

orionhawk
05-02-2008, 12:33 PM
I am also a huge fan of Spyderco. I am carrying a stainless Delica in my pocket, wear a Yojimbo on my belt and a Spin in a pocket in civvies, and keep a full-size Military model in my truck. That's only about half of the ones I have. I also have 3 or 4 Byrd knives. They are ok, much cheaper than regular Spyders. They don't hold an edge nearly as well, though.

Hispeed1
05-02-2008, 12:39 PM
Syperco makes good, affordable knives. I myself prefer Benchmade though.

Walker-69
05-02-2008, 01:50 PM
It's interesting how tastes differ. The Delica was mentioned twice already. I have one, but I am selling it, since I prefer the Centofante 4 over the Delica for many duties. The Centofante 4 is actually more "delicate" than the Delica, and the Delica is more of an all-rounder. But too much knives is too much.

For harder work, I have not just one but TWO Spyderco Temperances - see attachment. This monster is discontinued. I have one PE and one serrated - that's quite a lot of spyderedge, I think it might be a longer spyderedge than any folder made by Spyderco!

Mr Gently Benevolent
05-02-2008, 02:05 PM
I don't think the Spyderco knives are as quick to open as Kershaw and I still think they are a little overpriced.

Walker-69
05-02-2008, 02:29 PM
I don't think the Spyderco knives are as quick to open as Kershaw and I still think they are a little overpriced.

Overpriced - well, that depends on the model. I haven't bought the more expensive models. In my opinion the Centofante 3 and Centofante 4 are great value for money. And when it comes to knives with VG-10 blades, I can't think of any other brand that would be cheaper. I am not familiar with Kershaw, but I was just having a look at the Kershaw Centofante model on EBay, and the blade is made of 440 steel which is not in the same league as VG-10.

I have one Kershaw knife, a fixed blade boot knife. It's OK but it simply does not reek "quality" like many Spydies do.

Henry's Fork
05-02-2008, 07:11 PM
Have a few of em. Spidies made in the US or Seki are worth every penny. Like Taco-Sama, i also carry a Delica daily. VG10 is some great sheet. Easy to sharpen, edge lasts for a nice while, but not as long as some, fair trade in my book. Few licks on a DMT stone or ceramic stick and you are gtg.

The only drawback i see with the Centofante line is no lanyard hole. The thin blade is great in the kitchen and i like how lightweight they are. Love my Cent3, should probably pick up the 4 as it might get discontinued soon, not many people like them it seems.

I hear that the spidies that are made in China are great for learning how to sharpen knives on a belt sander with.

eques
05-02-2008, 07:50 PM
I really like Military, Lava, Chinnok III, Endura IV and Street Beat, but unfortunately vertical bladeplay in Spyderco knives with backlocks is quite common and annoying. I don't know why I haven't seen any Benchmade or Extrema Ratio knife with backlock and bladeplay, while 2 of 4 Enduras, which I have had in my hands, were affected with this problem.

Gunge
05-02-2008, 11:15 PM
i carry a gerber with half serrated 3 in blade and clip, black rubber type handle i liked it so much i found a bunch more of the same model and got them all over the place.
its light, has the clip, and serration comes in handy
i think it was like 25 -30 bucks ea
i just can't spend an arm and a leg for a blade but i do like made in USA, and i think this one is(says USA under "gerber" on the blade
my ques is to the knife conniseurs, what US made spyderco comes close to price and features?
thanks in advance

Walker-69
05-02-2008, 11:57 PM
Gunge... I have news for you. Gerber is originally an American company, but it was bought by Fiskars. Fiskars is a Finnish company. I can dig out the facts for you if you want.roflI don't have any Gerber knives, only one Gerber folding shovel.

I think the least expensive Spydie made in Golden, Colorado would be the Native. I always wanted one. But it's still more expensive than your Gerber. EBay is a good place to look for nice deals.

Sorry, I don't think your Gerber is made in USA. I think they pretty much manufacture them in China these days.

Walker-69
05-03-2008, 12:16 AM
Ok, so I checked the web page www.gerbergear.com. Right there on the bottom it says:

Gerber Legendary Blades (http://www.gerbergear.com/), a division of Fiskars Brands (http://www.fiskarsbrands.com/), Inc., ©2008

I have been to the village of Fiskars, I think that's where the Fiskars company got started. It's about 100 miles west from Helsinki, a nice little place with a placid pool that had two ducks in it.

Catch22
05-03-2008, 01:58 AM
Native would be great light EDC knife it not for the blade shape (quasi spear point) - it tends to loose a pointy tip too easily and it's a PITA to restore it properly. I carry one for several years along with larger blades - a drop point would by probably better in this one. Out of all Spydies I have always preffered older Manix. Never had any problems with bladeplay eques mentioned.

Chulo
05-03-2008, 02:01 AM
I don't think the Spyderco knives are as quick to open as Kershaw and I still think they are a little overpriced.i have a kershaw and love the SpeedSafe ambidextrous assisted opening system. quick and sure..

Walker-69
05-03-2008, 04:03 AM
i have a kershaw and love the SpeedSafe ambidextrous assisted opening system. quick and sure..

Actually, I feel like a bit of an *sshole because I got into this brand fight, "my brand is better than yours". It's different strokes for different folks. Some brands you can trust more than others, and that matters when you order stuff from EBay.

I might like to try the Kershaw Centofante-Onion myself, because I like the shape of the blade (similar to Spyderco Centofante 4).

Regarding Gerber, there we have a really pimped brand, sorry to say. It started out All-American, now it's part of Fiskars which originated in Finland, but Fiskars is probably owned by rich pimpdaddies all over the world, Europe, USA and Japan, who are pulling the strings and paying for advertising agencies to promote their stuff. That's capitalism. But they might have some good products. Maybe they have many good products, dunno.

Chulo
05-03-2008, 02:39 PM
for me its not the brand, but the feature - i like how the kershaw opens. I havent tried em all, but i like what i have got so far :) always open for new things

Niels
05-03-2008, 03:00 PM
I don't think the Spyderco knives are as quick to open as Kershaw and I still think they are a little overpriced.
You can "flick" most Spydercos open with a little practice. You don't even have to touch the blade.

Walker-69
05-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Niels, I am not sure what you mean by flicking open a Spydie. But I am not very nimble or dexterous with my hands, many guys can do things with butterfly knives or Spydies that I could never learn.

I got a good lesson yesterday at the birthday party. I gave the Spyderco Police away as a gift. Most people had already left when I showed the Police to the guy who was getting it, and the ones who were left there were watching me sing "happy birthday" and offering the Police model. The three women present were staring as if they were seeing a venomous cobra. I showed the people how to open and the close the Police with one hand in a few different ways. The guys were impressed, as Spydies are not so usual in Finland, but the women were awestruck. Finally, I shaved hair off my arm. Maybe I shouldn't have done that - the women took off and went to a different room to recover. I felt like I had the Mark of Cain on my forehead, wondering if my reputation was gone forever.

OK but there is an example of something that you can not do with lesser steel. VG-10 can be made so sharp that hair just falls off and you don't feel anything. With some other steel, I can sharpen the blade and shave hair off my arm but it requires force and skin becomes red where you shave. With a cheap stainless blade, you will never be able to shave hair off your arm. Once again, this might be something that women don't enjoy (you have been warned).

TacoDelRio
05-04-2008, 02:56 PM
I've not seen a single bit of play in my Delica. I got it in 2005, and have used it for all sorts of day-to-day stuff, and lots of outdoorsy stuff as well. It is AUS-6, so it's not the toughest steel out there (but sharpens fast and very sharp).

The Harpy is a full-serrated knife with a hawkbill profile. I use this damn thing everyday, and there are NO problems with it, ever.

Here be a pic:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/TacoDelRio/DSC07792dotjpg

I haven't sharpened it in probably a bit over a year, since I stopped collecting knives (I only have two hands and so many hobbies). It is VG10, which is harder and holds an edge for a long friggin' time. Just buy one, damnit.

Hispeed1
05-05-2008, 01:36 AM
i have a kershaw and love the SpeedSafe ambidextrous assisted opening system. quick and sure..

Check out the newish Benchmade Nitrous Stryker-tanto tip semi-serrated, it has an assisted opening system too. My choice for daily carry.

Walker-69
05-05-2008, 07:23 AM
Here is the Kershaw boot knife that I mentioned before. Below, the Byrd Cara Cara, a SOG multitool (recommended) and a Leatherman Micra.

I just added a paracord handle to the Kershaw knife. I friggin' LOVE IT - now the Kershaw knife is like a different knife altogether! It had a metal handle, not very good in winter-time: the paracord feels lovely. It's my first effort at a paracord handle, and I'm sure it's not perfect, but the concept is just SOOOO good.

The Finnish people on this forum wouldn't recognize me as a Finn. Much of this stuff comes from EBay - the Kershaw, the Cara Cara, the paracord. I guess the paracord colours match US Army digital camo. But hey, we all learn from each other - this time around it's me learning American stuff.

wilkj05
05-05-2008, 07:26 AM
hello. ive have a buck nighthawk for a few years naw and its finaly given in on me so ime looking for a new knife, i wonted to ask you geys what you think i should get, ime looking to stay along the line of a fixed blade like the nighthawk.

am also going diving for a few weeks so if any one has any suggestions for a dive knife would be nice to hear from you.

digrar
05-05-2008, 07:32 AM
A thread search for knife brings up 34 topics. Try searching.

Walker-69
05-30-2008, 12:59 PM
Just got a Spyderco Endura yesterday. It was an accident, sort of, I made a bet on EBay and got it cheap.

It's bloody well near perfect! I have never seen an Endura before, but it's SWEEET. It's just eeny weeny bigger than the Byrd Cara Cara, and different in style. It feels so right... feels so right, can't be wrong

It is plain edge, and I think that does justice to the VG-10 steel that the blade is made of. It is so sharp that it could split hairs. Amazing. Out-of-the-box sharpeness is superior to pretty much most other knives out there, I would bet. One issue is that to get it sharp again after use, you need to invest in extra fine sharpeners. I have one fallkniven diamond+ceramic (fine/extra-fine) sharpener, a couple of Japanese water stones and will get an extra-fine Arkansas stone soon. I have one Arkansas stone which is really nice but not the finest one available: natural stones have a charm of their own, I am not sure yet whether I prefer Arkansas stone over Japanese water stones.

It's strange, I sold my Delica, the steel Police was given away as a gift, but the Endura feels perfect like I just said. Maybe it is the size that is most right: Police for bigger men, Delica for smaller guys, Endura/Cara Cara for me?

Henry's Fork
05-30-2008, 07:13 PM
Just got a Spyderco Endura yesterday. It was an accident, sort of, I made a bet on EBay and got it cheap.

It's bloody well near perfect! I have never seen an Endura before, but it's SWEEET. It's just eeny weeny bigger than the Byrd Cara Cara, and different in style. It feels so right... feels so right, can't be wrong

It is plain edge, and I think that does justice to the VG-10 steel that the blade is made of. It is so sharp that it could split hairs. Amazing. Out-of-the-box sharpeness is superior to pretty much most other knives out there, I would bet. One issue is that to get it sharp again after use, you need to invest in extra fine sharpeners. I have one fallkniven diamond+ceramic (fine/extra-fine) sharpener, a couple of Japanese water stones and will get an extra-fine Arkansas stone soon. I have one Arkansas stone which is really nice but not the finest one available: natural stones have a charm of their own, I am not sure yet whether I prefer Arkansas stone over Japanese water stones.

It's strange, I sold my Delica, the steel Police was given away as a gift, but the Endura feels perfect like I just said. Maybe it is the size that is most right: Police for bigger men, Delica for smaller guys, Endura/Cara Cara for me?

Enduras are great. Good score.

Probably would use your Falkniven sharpener, touch up the edge accordingly, if it were me. Have a set of King waterstones that i only break out when a large knife needs some work or i am doing many blades and make a whole day project out of it. The Arkie i have is for my axes so i couldnt judge as to which are better for knives.

You are right, using natural stones puts some SOUL into the blade, and the knife knut as well. p-)

MapleLeafUp
05-31-2008, 03:13 AM
So i bought me a gerber prodigy fixed blade knife, unfortunetly the sheath is super long its a leg sheath which i dont need. Any idea where i can get a smaller sheath to just cover the blade? Ive tried looking all afternoon with no luck, maybe someone of you have come across a sheath that will fit a 4 7/8th blade?

Walker-69
05-31-2008, 03:53 AM
There are guys who make custom Kydex sheaths. I know one on EBay, I can dig him out for you - he is very good but you also pay for what you get. He's from USA. He can make a custom sheath with an extra holder for a firestarter, for example. I am sure that there are plenty of places where you could have a leather sheath made too.

Henry's Fork
05-31-2008, 04:52 AM
Have the same gripe with the LMF sheath. Probably do the same.

x2 on the Kydex. There are quite a few good sheath makers up in Canada. On Scene Tactical is one.

I try to get my kydex from Buy Brown or Rainwalker over on the knife forums. JRE industries for leather is also tops and they are great people to work with.

Aussie E
05-31-2008, 04:57 AM
Walker - 69

I would be interested in the ebay kydex sheath makers user name if you find it.

Thanks,
Aussie_E

Walker-69
05-31-2008, 06:22 AM
The name of the seller is "Mbhanzo". I don't know whether he turns up if you just do a search with that name in Ebay, but you could also search for his items. Right now he's got some expensive stuff on sale, he has had cheaper rigs for sale too. OK so at this moment he's selling a " Blackjack Grunt Custom Survival Knife Bushcraft Package (http://cgi.ebay.com/Blackjack-Grunt-Custom-Survival-Knife-Bushcraft-Package_W0QQitemZ110255785397QQihZ001QQcategoryZ43335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/sdotgif</IMG> " and " Busse Meaner Streak Custom Bushcraft Survival Knife Rig (http://cgi.ebay.com/Busse-Meaner-Streak-Custom-Bushcraft-Survival-Knife-Rig_W0QQitemZ110256871943QQihZ001QQcategoryZ43335QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/sdotgif</IMG> ". Since it's EBay, the items might disappear... write to me again if you need help. He's a nice guy, I bought an item from him last year... say hi from me if you get in touch with him! He's in my 'favorites' in EBay so I won't lose track of him.

His Kydex looks real nice, I don't know much about molding Kydex but I would guess that he's pretty proficient with his trade.

Edit-- oh yeah of course, you can do a separate search for a member on ebay. That will take you right to his store.

orionhawk
05-31-2008, 07:37 PM
I think Blade-Tech makes custom kydex sheaths, as well.

Personally, I'd probably just get a piece of heavy leather and do it myself. the only hard part is that stitching leather is a pain in the fingers...

BloodDiamondPants
06-03-2008, 05:38 PM
Prodigy? That's not a Knyife!

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/policestuff_2005_37652133

THAT'S a Knyife!


LOL. Seriously, how do you like the Prodigy? I only have one Gerber (Trident, like above) and I like it, but haven't ever owned anything else of theirs.

couevas
06-23-2008, 12:48 PM
Hello,
First post here.
I was given the below pocket blade by a relative that served as a sailor in WW2. I am not sure if it is even a military issue item, but I thought one of the knowledgable souls on this forum could maybe ID it. I don't even know what it is used for.

52252

52253

52254

Thanks,

Chris

Mofreaka
06-23-2008, 03:07 PM
Those are blades? They look more like some weird form of wrenches, perhaps for something on the ships?

couevas
06-23-2008, 03:10 PM
They are a spade type blade. The side you see in the photos is identical to the opposite side.
They are remarkably sharp considering their age.

LimaOscarSierraTango
06-23-2008, 03:11 PM
Edit: My apologies. My friend got to this while I was in the latrine... :cantbeli:

orionhawk
06-23-2008, 03:32 PM
so the little tombstone shapes are the actual sharp parts?

I would guess some type of specialty knife. possibly a primitive box-cutter, or something to do with maritime line-handling, like a fid or marlinspike.

what did the person who gave it to you do in the Navy?

couevas
06-23-2008, 03:37 PM
If it was a box cutter or a splice, why would it have 3 seperate blade sizes?

When you extend the blade until it stops, and look at the way the handle is shaped and worn, it looks like it is meant to be dragged across the top of something with the hinge-side of the blade leading.

orionhawk
06-23-2008, 03:42 PM
for a box-cutter, the same reason modern boxcutters have adjustable blade positions (besides just in or out). different depths for different boxes. similarly for splicing, different blades for different ropes/lines/hawsers.

it occurs to me it may also be something electrician-type. for separating cables, perhaps. I am rummaging about online to find something like it, now.

what did your relative do in the Navy? that will help a lot.

I am active-duty U.S. Navy myself, btw.

couevas
06-23-2008, 04:13 PM
I am not sure what he did in the service.
He is no longer here to ask.
It may be older than a WW2 era piece. I am not sure where he got it.

It has bone handle plates, if that helps.

orionhawk
06-23-2008, 06:47 PM
I'm afraid I'm not finding anything helpful. If you can find something with his rate on it, I may be able to come up with more. Discharge papers/DD-214, an award certificate, a uniform with a rating badge...

AROUETLJ
06-23-2008, 07:37 PM
That's a bloodletting knife, or fleam.

maw
06-24-2008, 02:35 AM
remind me of gauges for checking head spacing.

LRPV
06-24-2008, 04:20 AM
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/637/hornfleameu6dotjpg


Fleam, as stated above...

IDF_TANKER
06-24-2008, 08:03 AM
So what was its purpose?

Erik.
06-24-2008, 08:26 AM
http://www.gggodwin.com/23m.htm it tells you about fleams

IDF_TANKER
06-24-2008, 08:29 AM
http://www.gggodwin.com/23m.htm it tells you about fleams

Thanks.
....

orionhawk
06-24-2008, 10:35 AM
That's a bloodletting knife, or fleam.



Fleam, as stated above...
Well done, guys.

I am curious what a WWII sailor had this for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleam

AROUETLJ
06-24-2008, 10:42 AM
Well done, guys.

I am curious what a WWII sailor had this for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleam

It might have been used for veterinary purposes. But then again, I don't know whether any livestock was kept on naval vessels. What is the handle made of? It could be a late 19th century item.

couevas
06-24-2008, 12:19 PM
The handle is made of bone. Not sure what kind.
The item was given to me by my uncle who served in WW2, but he didn't necessarily use it during the war or while he was in service. I just thought maybe he had.

After looking through anything I could find on Fleams, it looks much older than circa 1940's. It is actually remarkably similar to an example of a French piece made of bone and brass from the 17th century. Even the rivots looks the same.
I wonder if this could possibly be 300-400 years old?

orionhawk
06-24-2008, 04:48 PM
I don't know whether any livestock was kept on naval vessels.
no. not in those years, anyway. I would guess it must be something from before he joined/was drafted.

Irish_11
09-22-2008, 01:26 AM
Like the title asks, if you had to chose between the Gerber mini-covert and the Kershaw leek what would you chose? I need a new pocket knife for everday carry and all around use. I use them to cut tape on boxes at work and general cutting. It will also go along with me everywhere, well just about everywhere I go. I lost my CRKT m16 10z last week and am searching for its replacement. It come down to the mini-covert and the leek. Ive held both, played with them, tried them out and I cant decide. I can get either for $33 shipped, new. So price isnt a deciding factor.

Whats your guys take on either. Im on a budget, and I dont want anything too valuable incase it gets lost, but I do want a quality knife at the same time. Im leaning more towards the Gerber since Ive had many gebers over the years and liked them all. Ive got kinda big hands and it fits nicely. The Leek though is speed-safe which is cool and takes up almost no space in my pocket. Which is nice for it being there everyday. Its about 60% covert 40% leek right now.

Im not really looking for other options at this time these are the two that Ive really decided I like after trying them out. I could get another m16 but I had one before the Autolawks and I dont like the newer lock. I aso looked at the gerber FAST and liked the size and the price, but Ive heard that they dont hold their edge very long. So those two are my tied for 3rd place knife right now.

Thanks in advance,
-Irish

Mister_manji
09-22-2008, 01:43 AM
the Kershaw Leek that I had was nice, but it lost its edge too easily when cutting cardboard and the like. I would suggest the Gerber, if only because I assume the 154CM the blade is made of tends to stay sharper longer. Also, the "cool factor" of anything associated with a legend like Applegate is rather high in these circles. Also, in my experience, the quick-opening action on the leek leads people to believe its a switchblade, and become scared or intimidated. In the end, they are both nice knives, and my Leek served me well, though didn't hold an edge as long as my Benchmades do, even the 440cm Griptillian. gotta replace that spring...

my 2 cents

Walker-69
09-22-2008, 02:20 AM
I own a Kershaw Leek. It is nice, an interesting knife. Here's a picture of my Kershaw Leek, along with some real leek.

The Leek is nice but I don't think it's the best option for an EDC or only knife. The main issue is that the blade is rather thin. I just lost the tip on mine, it fell on the floor and the very tip was bent: when I tried to straighten it, it broke off. The knife is still usable, it just looks a different shape, now it has a slightly rounded tip. No real problem here but you see what I mean. If you get your Kershaw Leek in a bad spot, you will lose half the blade.

The Leek is a good number two. I would choose the Gerber for an EDC if I were you, though I like my Leek.

Mister_manji
09-22-2008, 05:42 PM
I own a Kershaw Leek. It is nice, an interesting knife. Here's a picture of my Kershaw Leek, along with some real leek.

The Leek is nice but I don't think it's the best option for an EDC or only knife. The main issue is that the blade is rather thin. I just lost the tip on mine, it fell on the floor and the very tip was bent: when I tried to straighten it, it broke off. The knife is still usable, it just looks a different shape, now it has a slightly rounded tip. No real problem here but you see what I mean. If you get your Kershaw Leek in a bad spot, you will lose half the blade.

The Leek is a good number two. I would choose the Gerber for an EDC if I were you, though I like my Leek.
excellent point. Forgot to mention that the blade is very thin, and the lockup sometimes leaves a bit to be desired, especially for hard work.

ShotOver
10-23-2008, 03:42 AM
G'day, I purchased this bayonet in Afghanistan. I am not sure of it's ID, country of Origin, etc.

It has the serial number 20609 on the handle, also the initials(?) of ASFF, as you can see pictured. No other engravings or marks anywhere.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4019/pa230001ge9dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

The scabbord was a newly made one, made of thin sheet metal and nothing much to it, very, very basic.

Any help is very appreciated.

T3ngu
10-23-2008, 03:54 AM
Could be one of these puppies, google, and procrastination is useful/awful.

Turkish 1935

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5223/turkey20romanian20mannlja0dotjpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6848/turkey20193520with20leaqk3dotjpg

Jarhead
10-23-2008, 03:55 AM
Please make a few more photos PT.

Bro Jangles
10-23-2008, 04:17 AM
i believe i have the same or similar bayonet, i dont know what it exactly is but i can show you it.
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/IMAGE_145dotjpg
and the only markings it looks like 129029
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/IMAGE_146dotjpg

T3ngu
10-23-2008, 04:20 AM
Looking at yours BJ, it looks british. Maybe a 1903

Bro Jangles
10-23-2008, 04:23 AM
i was told 1903 when i purchased it, but have not taken the time to confirm it. but i bought it from a gypsy lady so.......

T3ngu
10-23-2008, 04:26 AM
i was told 1903 when i purchased it, but have not taken the time to confirm it. but i bought it from a gypsy lady so.......
Makes it pretty old.

I have a 1913 at home.

PM Drakegoodman, he will know how much its worth if you are interested.

Bro Jangles
10-23-2008, 04:28 AM
Makes it pretty old.

I have a 1913 at home.

PM Drakegoodman, he will know how much its worth if you are interested.
i wouldnt sell it, i only paid 20 bucks. but ill pm him.

Bro Jangles
10-23-2008, 04:36 AM
It has the serial number 20609 on the handle, also the initials(?) of ASFF, as you can see pictured. No other engravings or marks anywhere.

mine has what looks like ASF(?) its very faint though.

ShotOver
10-23-2008, 04:48 AM
The scabbard in both of those pictures is the same one which came with mine, seems like quite a popular design. Cheers for the help, who knows why a Turkish Bayonet is doing in Southern Afghanistan.

ShotOver
10-23-2008, 04:58 AM
http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info.php/products_id/839

1939 Model Turkish Mauser Bayonet it seems.

gilgoul
10-27-2008, 05:36 PM
Any suggestion for a concealable knife for day carry?
I'm going to loose my gun carry licence :(

Chulo
10-27-2008, 05:41 PM
Any suggestion for a concealable knife for day carry?
I'm going to loose my gun carry licence :(
what state are you in? I think the have different rules on length and type. But i like my kershaw

gilgoul
10-27-2008, 11:32 PM
what state are you in? I think the have different rules on length and type. But i like my kershaw

I'm in the wonderful city of Jerusalem, Israel :)

Chulo
10-27-2008, 11:39 PM
I'm in the wonderful city of Jerusalem, Israel :)
lol i wonder what kind of carry laws you have

gilgoul
10-28-2008, 02:43 PM
lol i wonder what kind of carry laws you have

I guess it is a NO carry, at least in administrative buildings and other malls with a security sas.
On the other hand, considering the almost daily attacks or attempts of attacks by local arabs, (last one was yesterday against a park ranger who succeeded to pull his hand gun and detain the attacker, and later the same day a younf man of 24 who was lucky enough to find a wood stick close to him, and fended off his offenders with this improvised weapon)
Also, it should be noted that the motive is more often "nationalistic" than common crime.
Now, the great State of Israel, in it's infinite wisdom, decided that I don't need a handgun considering the fact that I now live in jerusalem, despite my line of work (guide on an archaeological site and soon to be national guide) that brings me with my clients all around the country, Judea and Samaria included.
So the idea is to get myself a decent knife to carry in the case things aren't going as hoped for.
I thought of a Tanto form, but I'm fine with a bowie, and won't use the thing daily, I have a multitool for that.

Henry's Fork
10-28-2008, 06:59 PM
One that i made for my brother recently.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1225/pa121138iv0dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/107/pa121143qq0dotjpg (http://imageshack.us)

Chulo
10-28-2008, 10:48 PM
looks like a good steak knife. :))

TacoDelRio
10-29-2008, 07:34 PM
Nice!

Eightytwelve

N-G-F-O
10-30-2008, 02:12 PM
That, my friend is a nice looking knife! In fact it's so nice that it's making my winky dance.

Henry's Fork
10-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Thanks all.

Thats the look i was shooting for. A Tacticool Steak Knife. 3/16 thick and cuts steak like butta!

NeonTerror
11-03-2008, 11:25 PM
Anyone know a good place to get Russian AK bayonets. I've searched alot but there are few sites that sell them. They don't seem to be very common.
http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-cold_steel.htm and eBay of course.

Thanks

Redguy
11-03-2008, 11:56 PM
All I could find at the places I usually buy from were East German Bayonets, and Romanian.

NeonTerror
11-04-2008, 12:27 AM
All I could find at the places I usually buy from were East German Bayonets, and Romanian.

Good enough. I like them all, but the Russian edition is my favorite. It's really hard to get anything Russian in the states. AKM type 2's are my favorite model.

Dan2004
11-06-2008, 08:05 PM
My new GLOCK.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3435/glockwsheathdv2dotjpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4808/glockpointythinggk2dotjpg


I've had it for about a month. It cuts good, solid and it feels comfortable in my hands. The grip and sheath should be cammied, though.

gunfreak09
11-11-2008, 07:46 PM
would anyone recommend the on-okc3s over the ka bar?
i wanna get one but i dont not know how much of a beating they can take....
http://www.ontarioknife.com/images/milissue/okc3s_bayonetdotjpg
http://www.innovativetactical.com/catalog/images/ka-bar/9k4b25a3r01dotjpg

Walker-69
11-16-2008, 08:28 AM
I was sharpening a Spyderco Centofante 4 folding knife with a Japanese water stone (8000 grit), and managed to get a nice edge to it. Then I attempted to wipe the water off the blade onto my shirt, and felt a sting... cut myself!

I love it. Now I am getting there... I have had the water stones for at least a year, but it really takes some time to learn the proper angles for grinding the blade and the right technique.

The thing here is that VG-10 steel gets much sharper than lesser steels. It has been found on Spydies starting from around year 2000, and it's being used on more and more blades. Other manufacturers use it too - SOG seems to be upgrading many of their models to VG-10. It does cost more, but then it's a little cheaper than the American-made CPM-S30V.

My golly, that was a nice clean cut. It doesn't feel like much, and a cut made by a sharp edge closes pretty quick. BTW it's close to my elbow there in the picture, it might be kind of hard to figure out the pic. Anyways, I don't think that an AUS-8 or 440C blade would have cut me in the same situ. Sharp VG-10, when it touches you it cuts you. Not so with cheaper stainless.

The Spyderco Sharpmaker or a Lansky system would be much easier to use, and a sharp edge would be easier to attain on them, but they are not very field-portable. You can't take those fishing, mountain-climbing or storming Bin Laden's cave.

Regarding the Centofante 4: it is one of my very favourite folders. It is not very strong, in fact it is more delicate than the "Delica" model: I would say it is a "gentleman's knife" despite it's dark, threatening looks. The blade is called a "Wharncliffe" shape, and it's not very good as an all-round blade but it's very good for certain tasks.

IDF_TANKER
11-16-2008, 08:36 AM
I guess it is a NO carry, at least in administrative buildings and other malls with a security sas.
On the other hand, considering the almost daily attacks or attempts of attacks by local arabs, (last one was yesterday against a park ranger who succeeded to pull his hand gun and detain the attacker, and later the same day a younf man of 24 who was lucky enough to find a wood stick close to him, and fended off his offenders with this improvised weapon)
Also, it should be noted that the motive is more often "nationalistic" than common crime.
Now, the great State of Israel, in it's infinite wisdom, decided that I don't need a handgun considering the fact that I now live in jerusalem, despite my line of work (guide on an archaeological site and soon to be national guide) that brings me with my clients all around the country, Judea and Samaria included.
So the idea is to get myself a decent knife to carry in the case things aren't going as hoped for.
I thought of a Tanto form, but I'm fine with a bowie, and won't use the thing daily, I have a multitool for that.

Are you sure you are not qualified for a license. If you work in the territories, you are, AFAIK.