Why glock?

[Fintin]

anyone know why the Iraqies are now being issued glocks? the 92 seems like it would have been the obvious choice, we have to have a few sitting somewhere.




if this is a re post...just give me the link...i understand bull****

[Kaapeli]

Iraq has plenty of weapons around from the old army and police too.
Coalition commanders say they want new weapons for the new army.
So even new AK-47's are bought.

[Spike_Kojima]

This artical doesnt explain fully but hopefully it may help.
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1203/121203cdpm2.htm

[CQB_Operator]

anyone know why the Iraqies are now being issued glocks? the 92 seems like it would have been the obvious choice, we have to have a few sitting somewhere.




if this is a re post...just give me the link...i understand bull****

The 92 an obvious choice????!!! ask the american soldiers using the Beretta.... only complaints about it!!!!

The Glock familly is wellknown for its reliability, even if you shoot a lot and when they are badly-cleant!!!

[StukaJr]

I guess Berretta was not there to grease the wheels...

[Roaming East]

easy, Glocks are cheaper

[James]

Maybe because Glocks are so ridiculously simple to use.

Point. Squeeze trigger. Bang.

That's it - no decockers, not external safeties. They're also inexpensive and reliable.

[rob]

anyone know why the Iraqies are now being issued glocks? the 92 seems like it would have been the obvious choice, we have to have a few sitting somewhere.




if this is a re post...just give me the link...i understand bull****

i dont know how many we have sitting, the army had to order a lot of new ones and the marines just went with the m9a1.

[muede]

Ease and safety of use? Glock is like ak of pistols, even better. :o

[Bulabash]

Glock for the win, ease of use, low maintenance load, low cost and be honest other than the 1911, US pistols are not that great (let the flaming begin) other than the heavily customised raceguns, Glock, HK, Beretta, SigSauer etc sell a lot of guns in the US, Police, Armed Forces and civilians alike.

KPS (Kosovo Police Service) also got Glocks issued by UNMIKPOLICE.

[Asheren]

Glock for the win, ease of use, low maintenance load, low cost and be honest other than the 1911, US pistols are not that great (let the flaming begin) other than the heavily customised raceguns, Glock, HK, Beretta, SigSauer etc sell a lot of guns in the US, Police, Armed Forces and civilians alike.

KPS (Kosovo Police Service) also got Glocks issued by UNMIKPOLICE.

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[gaijinsamurai]

You are correct, Bulubash. For the most part, American handguns are crap. The US really hasn't had a great pistol innovator since John Moses Browning died, and he had to do most of his better designs in Belgium!
I have a great fondness for 1911's, but otherwise I'll take a Glock, HK, SIG-Sauer, or CZ over a US pistol anyday! The only European pistols I strongly dislike are the Beretta M9s. Figures that's what my country's military would adopt!

[gaijinsamurai]

Note: I DO LIKE Smith and Wesson revolvers! :D

[Royal]

As far as the Al Basrah police are concerned it's because they were supplied by the Dutch (who use the Glock) when they were conducting police training in southern Iraq.

[Roaming East]

Most american gun companies make ****ty pistols cause thats what dummies in this country keep buying. New designs get stifled because of the whole american love for traditionalism. Look at the mass produced 1911 series we have. All of them are near god like but venture away from that design and you get poly crap that attempts to be like a glock but without the ease of use that makes glocks famous (im looking at you sigma). the best the US has to offer outside of 1911 clones are revolvers and long guns. thats about it.

[Duvdevan]

The 92 is 100% pure ****e, I bought one a couple of years ago, and all I get was problems with it, It allowed me to regularly practice all the malfunction drill :lol: I sold it quickly and bought a G17. I never regret it!!!

[Delta Niner]

Maybe they realized that it is really the best pistol in the world. woot woot woot

[coughybean]

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It is VERY reliable, accurate enough and CHEAP.

BTW I am an HKaholic, USP's rule, but a Glock is also a fine pistol.

[Roaming East]

Maybe they realized that it is really the best pistol in the world. woot woot woot
Nope, just cheap.

I own a Glock myself (20) but im not about to say that the glock was chosen for any other reason than that it is the cheapest reliable 9mm auto pistol on the market today that exist in the numbers necessary to field an entire army within a single procurement cycle.

[coughybean]

It is VERY reliable, accurate enough and CHEAP.

BTW I am an HKaholic, USP's rule, but a Glock is also a fine pistol.

Glocks are actually VERY accurate too! :)

[UraBudanov]

I take em both. Enjoyed them Both as well. But Glock is easier to molest.

[Delta Niner]

Maybe they realized that it is really the best pistol in the world. woot woot woot
Nope, just cheap.

I own a Glock myself (20) but im not about to say that the glock was chosen for any other reason than that it is the cheapest reliable 9mm auto pistol on the market today that exist in the numbers necessary to field an entire army within a single procurement cycle.

Don't know about cheap because here it commands a bit higher price than a brand new Colt M1911A1 .45 caliber pistol.
And besides if it is cheap then you get to buy more ammo. :)

[Roaming East]

for the ease of manufacter, 1911's are rather pricey round here. a strip down bare bones no frills straight government model will blow you almost 500 bucks whereas i can get a 3rd gen Glock 9mm for about 300 easy. the better model 1911's with wood panel grips and combat trigger jobs and what not are in the nose bleed 1100+ category. For that amount of change id rather by a long iron. my XD is all the pistol i really need.

[FallenAngel]

Maybe they realized that it is really the best pistol in the world. woot woot woot
Nope, just cheap.

I own a Glock myself (20) but im not about to say that the glock was chosen for any other reason than that it is the cheapest reliable 9mm auto pistol on the market today that exist in the numbers necessary to field an entire army within a single procurement cycle.

Don't know about cheap because here it commands a bit higher price than a brand new Colt M1911A1 .45 caliber pistol.
And besides if it is cheap then you get to buy more ammo. :)

You got to remember that governments buy in bulk (really really REALLY big bulk too), that drives the price down a bit.

[MEGR]

Glocks are just great pistols. Tough, reliable, fairly inexpensive. I'm plannin' on buying one in the near future.

Oh, the whole thing about US pistols. I think that some companies make fairly good pistols. Ruger for one makes a good 9mm that is cheaper than other competitors.

[crinkler]

If you love stove pipping go m9 all the way :lol: give me a 1911 or glock any day.

[FallenAngel]

anyway, can someone tell me what the safety equivilant on the glock is? External safety? And whats a decocker? Although i guess thats fairly straight forward...

the only "safety" on the Glock is the double trigger which means the gun will only go off if you pull the trigger (like most handguns ;) ).

A decocker is a device which safely decocks the gun (drops the hammer) without firing a round. Some guns have it intigrated with a safety (Beretta, S&W) which decocks the gun when you safety the weapon, other guns its independent (HK, SiG).

Since the glock is a hammerless single action, one either has to carry it cocked with a round chambered or rack the slide (chambering a round and cocking the gun) when it's needed. The only way to decock a Glock is to pull the trigger.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Glocks have 3 safetyfeatures:

Trigger safety
http://www.glock.com/safety1.jpg

Firing pin safety
http://www.glock.com/safety2.jpg

Drop safety
http://www.glock.com/safety3.jpg

All explained on this excellent page: http://www.glock.com/_safe_action_.htm

p-)

[Frens]

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[CMEPTb]

for the ease of manufacter, 1911's are rather pricey round here. a strip down bare bones no frills straight government model will blow you almost 500 bucks whereas i can get a 3rd gen Glock 9mm for about 300 easy. the better model 1911's with wood panel grips and combat trigger jobs and what not are in the nose bleed 1100+ category. For that amount of change id rather by a long iron. my XD is all the pistol i really need.

Are you talking about a NIB (new in box) glock for $300? Please tell us where you find such deals.

[Roaming East]

yes, new in box. The one thing the South has in abundance is readily available firearms at competitive prices. No scanner so i cant post the actual listings but Glock 17's are going for 350 dollars with 2 mags at both Wateree Arms and Tonys Gun and Police supply here


Edit* looked back at the listings. they are unissued 1st gens. my bad

[22.5degrees]

You guys gotta be kidding me. $300 for a Glock? (albeit a first gen). I picked up my 3rd Gen G17 almost three years ago and I paid.......Hang on...... $1000 CDN. That's right I live in communist Canuckistan. Where guns are evil and terrorists are welcome. (Would love to move south!) You don't wanna know what my M4gery cost me....OH yeah and we're only permitted 5 rounds in a semi auto rifle or shotgun up here....

About Beretta's. I used to work at a range that allowed public shooters to rent firearms.(in Canada you must be licensed to own firearms, and pistols and most cool rifles like ar-15's are considered "restricted" meaning you can only shoot them at an approved range and only transport them directly to the range and directly home with your special permit. It's a f*%king joke.... Oh and CCW is 100% a no go. )Anyway, we had a Beretta on the club rack. That POS was nothing but a headache, on good days it would only stovepipe. One particular day I personally replaced 3 locking lugs. We contacted Beretta about this as this was about our 5th lug between two guns in less than a year. Beretta says the lug is a"wearing part" and needs to be replaced every 5000 rounds. They also suggested replacing your barrel every 10,000 rounds and it wouldn't hurt to replace the whole dam thing every 30,000 rounds. I find it funny how most other manufacturers have a single piece lug machined into the barrel and Beretta(the oldest manufacturer) has a 3 piece lug???? The second Beretta was a 96 brigadier and we completely snapped the frame in half right across the mag well. Needless to say, it was a real heap of **** that no one liked but the punk kids who watch too much die hard and lethal weapon.

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[Seraphim]

OH yeah and we're only permitted 5 rounds in a semi auto rifle or shotgun up here....

22.5

Funny because you mentioned you have 12 30round mags for your AR...

[coughybean]

Hmm. . . he's either breaking the law or. . . . he just got PwNEd :cantbeli: rofl

[Steve Andrews]

goooddddd, why cant people in england own friggin handguns. I hate reading these threads, "I have this" "I have that" im gona pack up n leave here asap.
...

Come to Jersey. ;) I have a Glock....and a Galil... and an M14

[22.5degrees]

Seraphim,
You are correct, I do have 12 30's. actually I have 28 thirties. They are indeed pinned to five round capacity via a small pop rivet in the spine of the magazine. In the rare event I would need a 30 round capacity it only takes a moment with a cordless drill to pop those rivets out. It's a crying shame to see a full capacity magazine hanging from your rifle with only 5 rounds in it. What hurts more is that mags cost around $35-85 each. Pretty pricey for 5 rounds.

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[Seraphim]

I'm getting in kind of late but here's what I've got.

On my rig:
12 AR mags(360 rounds)
1 medical kit
Otis universal cleaning kit
Esbit personal stove with box of fuel tabs
2 Survival straw water purifiers (found at www.survivalsheath.com)
2 chem lights
iodine water pills
100 ft. paracord
small fishing kit
survival blanket (reusuable type, not the cheap pocket type)
level 4 stand alone armour pates (front and back)
Camelbak (2L)
steel cup
boulion cubes
small packet of soup
energy bars (2)
cable saw
Radio (Frs/ GMRS) with headset/throat mic
spare batteries for Radio
Potassium iodide pills (nuke pills!)
balaclava
Toque(or beenie!)
Pen flare with 12 flares
light duty gloves

ON my Belt:
Glock 17
6 mags
multi tool
surefire x200 light
dump bag

In my pack: (Camelbak motherlode)
Fleece jacket
nylon outer jacket/shell
210 ronds addiional 5.56
100 rounds additional 9mm
Primus omni fuel stove (this sucker burns, white gas, diesel, kerosene, aviation fuel, car gas and compressed gas canisters)
2 litres of fuel (whatever is available)
3 piece cook pot set
2 nalgene bottles (1 liter size)
Glock field knife
Glock entrenching tool
Gerber back paxe (mini hatchet)
Sleeping bag (minus 40 rated)
Bivy bag/ over bag
9'x12' green tarp
pair of pants
3 pair socks
2 pair underwear
3 rolls toilet paper (triple ply!)
one pair work gloves

THis is my get out of Dodge rig. Ready to roll all the time... AS for at home well that's a bit different.

5000 rounds 5.56 minimum.
2500 rounds 9mm minimum
1000 rounds 12 ga buck and slug minimum
5000 rounds .22 Lr minimum

200 gallons of treated water.
30 gallons of kerosene for the stove and lanterns.
lots of wood outside for the fireplace
approximately 14-30 days worth of food for 3 people.
Radios for all members as well as sleeping equipment
rifle or shotgun for each member.

Don' forget my M4 with two mags in it

That's it for now, acquiring more stuff as the funds permit.

[Roaming East]

wow, i figured your M4 clone would be cheaper than most quality handguns. We build em for fun around here for 600-800 bucks for the fullsize and maybe a 100 more for the carbines depending on parts.
I wouldnt move to the south though, terrible Godless place that has been forsaken by the heavens it is. Cant wait to get back to either the Sorta-south (eastern Virginia) or the sorta west (Nevada)

[22.5degrees]

Believe it or not but a standard 14.5' collapsible stock M4 up here runs around $1500-1700 CDN. That's bone stock. Once I finished dressing mine up it totaled around $2400. Handguns all average $1000 CDN and up. Some are cheaper, CZ75's can be had for around $700.

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P.S. By south I meant south of the U.S./Canada border. Maybe Arizona

[Roaming East]

2400 bucks? thats frigging staggering for an AR15.

*note to self. Stay in the US

[22.5degrees]

Yeah tell me about it. Ammo up here is just as ridiculous. A case of Winchester 3131 white box costs just under $350. Sometimes you can find 20 round boxes for $5.50 or so. A bit of a pain having to buy a boat load of 20 round boxes but it saves you some money.

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