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sickofpretenders
09-22-2005, 06:41 PM
I dont know if this is the place for this. Its certianly a rant:
There are plenty of wannabe's running around here with pics of operators that are not them. Being a historical figure, movie character or inanimate object is no problem but if you just consider how the guy in the pic would feel reading your comments next to his picture maybe you will not use the same things. I have seen a couple losers on this site running pics of my mates as their avatar. It ****s me to tears. Anyone who has been in the miltary and had to earn the right to wear a uniform, badges and medals should know what I am talking about.
If you have a pic of a military operator and you are not one, or call yourself seal, delta, SAS, ranger, marine etc are you are not one, know this:
The people you idolise that earned the right to take that name or are in that picture are going to hate you for using it when you have not earned the right to do so.
I agree with you but it is impossible for the mods to know if a person has done military service on a specific regiment.
so we cant do much about it :|
coughybean
09-22-2005, 07:29 PM
As long as the face of the person is not showing shouldn't it be ok? . . I think a lot of the members are only trying to be fans of the soldiers because they think they're awesome and they look awesome. . .not all of them are being posers.
Aerosoul
09-22-2005, 08:27 PM
I understand where you're coming from sop, but I don't think that all non-military should be barred from having an avatar of a solider or marine, or whomever. because that doesn't mean they're a poser.
i may have minsinterpreted your post, but i just have a hard time agreeing that because someone has a picture of a ranger in their avatar, they're saying that's them.
if it's the ranger tab itself, or the SF tab/badge, that's one thing. there was a guy named spartan running around here for a short while with the SF badge, and claimed to be one. But he was quickly found out and I haven't seen him after a few guys, including myself, called him out.
In closing, I think that having a pic of a soldier/marine/pilot, whoever, is a sign of respect to those who have served. It's the words people choose that I will judge upon, not simply having a picture of a Ranger/whomever.
Laworkerbee
09-22-2005, 08:46 PM
Nice post Silencer87 well thought out
NicNZ
09-22-2005, 09:08 PM
Im inclined to agree with Silencer87. As long as somebody isnt claiming to be the person/animal/vehicle portrayed in their avatar, there shouldnt be a problem.
Violet Fashion by Mindy
09-22-2005, 09:19 PM
sickofpretenders you sir are a wanker
rofl
James
09-22-2005, 09:26 PM
For what it's worth, the mods have confirmed that Minardiau is indeed a squirrel with amazingly large ********s.
Maine Finn
09-22-2005, 09:28 PM
For what it's worth, the mods have confirmed that Minardiau is indeed a squirrel with amazingly large ********s.
rofl
I dare not even imagine the effort that went into that one.
Aerosoul
09-22-2005, 09:29 PM
For what it's worth, the mods have confirmed that Minardiau is indeed a squirrel with amazingly large ********s.
I dare not even imagine the effort that went into that one.
I don't think it took much. He has a way of just being so damn funny. :lol:
Maine Finn
09-22-2005, 09:30 PM
For what it's worth, the mods have confirmed that Minardiau is indeed a squirrel with amazingly large ********s.
I dare not even imagine the effort that went into that one.
I don't think it took much. He has a way of just being so damn funny. :lol:
True. At least it's been confirmed. :)
Bombtrack
09-22-2005, 09:41 PM
Im from the elite beer mug tank division
StukaJr
09-22-2005, 10:05 PM
For what it's worth, the mods have confirmed that Minardiau is indeed a squirrel with amazingly large ********s.
rofl I spat Cobb Salad all over my monitor just reading it... Damned Blue Cheese!
And in my avatar, I'm pretending to be an AK packing cowboy - I'd switch it to a lady with huge breasts but that has been long forbidden p-)
sir-chimp
09-22-2005, 11:05 PM
Im from the elite beer mug tank division
no offence but that looks like a beer mug with a stark erection. ;)
Maine Finn
09-22-2005, 11:09 PM
I must confess, I've deceived you all. I'm really the kid who has to masquerade as Bananas the Bear and ride around the football field on an ATV. :oops:
Please forgive me!
1Cie GevGn
09-22-2005, 11:10 PM
It's true guys, she just confirmed it on MSN.
She appreciates your compassion about the whole thing, and is really sensitive about it.
Thanks.
Aerosoul
09-22-2005, 11:11 PM
I'm that emo fag kid.
1Cie GevGn
09-22-2005, 11:13 PM
HEY I THINK I SAW YOUR FIRST BEARDHAI*oh wait nvm no...
My avatar is just me, aiming at the camera with my finger on the trigger, safety off, just to prove to sickofpretenders I'm NOT posing as an elite soldier :lol:
(just kidding, keep at it!)
catalyst
09-23-2005, 12:23 AM
SOP - you seriously seem to be getting your back up over somethign that isnt really a issue....do the pilots of the blackhawk know they are on the internet? they know you are trying to pose not as a operator but a pilot?
I just think you are getting fired up over a little....
<---- Thats me! A hard drinking, hard smoking robot from the future, im a killer yo!
catalyst
09-23-2005, 01:08 AM
<------ looking for a makeover! need the spinners or the chrome rims? or maybe the chromed tray.
caleb
09-23-2005, 05:34 AM
Did, you know? I was a KSK member all the time! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!
davis411
09-23-2005, 05:41 AM
<----thats me
Eat a bullet
09-23-2005, 05:41 AM
I really am a fancy person or I would not make such claims.
a_very_ex_STAB
09-23-2005, 05:54 AM
I'm a cruddy old piece of string with some feathery stuff coming out of the top.
PS
@SoP if you don't like me using my former regiment's capbadge as my avatar - tough.
Buckeye67
09-23-2005, 06:02 AM
<--- I wore this patch when I was assigned to the Death Star
sickofpretenders
09-23-2005, 07:00 AM
Ah yes, the kind of response I expected. The usual suspects who read the last line of a post or maybe just one of the resposnes and jump at the chance to say something stupid to the world and get one more post up.
My back is not up and I am not telling anyone they have to do anything. I am mearly letting people know that if they are using a picture of someone military they wish they could be one day, the person in their pic is very unlikely to be flattered or pleased. People military here understand that as they understand that the right to wear rank, badges, medals and uniforms has to be earned.
If you want to respect the guys who have earned that right, consider how they would feel seeing you use a pic of them. I have seen people use pics of me and my friends on this and other forums and I laugh at the losers who do it. I see a pic of me and next to it some childish inane **** statement. Military etiquette aside, Imaging seeing a picture of yourself next to some statement you think is dumb or disagree with? How would you like it?
Violet Fashion by Mindy
09-23-2005, 07:05 AM
You post a pic on the net and it gets used..
It's your own stupid fault. Simple.
sickofpretenders
09-23-2005, 07:13 AM
So any marine, ranger, SF guy, seal etc that gets photographed by the press is stupid?
caleb
09-23-2005, 07:17 AM
One could make a drama out of everything....
SOP, you sir, are a drama queen. What do expect people to do on a website called "militaryphotos.net"? I'm sorry but I think you should get yourself a beer and cool down, no one was ever killed by an avatar going postal....
sickofpretenders
09-23-2005, 07:54 AM
Im not fired up. I dont like it and have stated why. Its all the little wannabes that are fired up and defensive.
California Joe
09-23-2005, 09:07 AM
I think it's a valid point.
<-------- I wore this patch during my military service , so I did earn it :D
Baboonass
09-23-2005, 09:26 AM
It is a valid point but I tend to lean more with Silencer's point.
Photos of operators on the net are fair game. Someone wants to have a avatar of someone comming out of the water, jumping from a plane, shooting guns, etc.. It just doesn't bother me too much.
Now, having an avatar with a specific unit flash sends the wrong message if you are not a member of that unit.
I also think that if you are a member of a specific unit, and choose to help out on a webiste with certain information, then it helps to identify yourself with an avatar with your unit flash.
This site is not SOCNET. It's loosely run and claims go more or less un-verified. I'm not complaining about it, I'm only a guest here and try to help answer some questions every know and then.
So were do you draw the line?
I try not to get too wrapped around the axle about it unless someone is trying to represent a unit they are not part of and being a total clown about it.
If you want a hard line approch to claims of status and viligent policing of the forums, then this is not the place to be. SOCNET, ProffessionalSoldiers, and a couple of other sites take the hard line approch. There are benifits and draw backs to both methods of moderation.
mudbunny
09-23-2005, 09:27 AM
I concur with the Caleb poster. It's a friggin military themed website, what the hell should a person use as an avatar, a pic of dog humping a dude's leg? *thinks to self, now where can I get a picture of that?* Some of you need to lighten up. If anything let's take a poll and see who has a problem with it.
Baboonass
09-23-2005, 09:33 AM
You post a pic on the net and it gets used..
It's your own stupid fault. Simple.
Hardly, but yes as well.
If you post pics of yourself then yes, it is your own fault.
If you are part of a unit in operations, and someone takes a pic of you, (press, etc..) and posts these pictures in a public forum, then it's not directly the individuals fault.
No one wants their face to end up all over the Discovery channel, but when military brass says you are going to do it, there is little choice. I had a good friend of mine end up on the cover of Soldier of Fortune becasue the military photographer made his pictures public property. It sucks when it happens, and there is very little you can do about it.
Then again, if some cool pics inspires a young hopefull to join the military and serve the country, then the ends justify the means.
I think that is more or less the point.
Geezah
09-23-2005, 09:37 AM
I've never served and have never claimed to have served, although I have family members that have.
I have great respect for these guys and would do nothing(intentionally) to disrepect these family members.
I have in the past used a Royal Marine screensaver, my wallpaper is of a US soldier in Afganistan with a M1A, to me these are images of individuals that I have great respect for, and they stand out.
Should I no longer use these because I'm give people the impression I'm trying to be something I'm not?
caleb
09-23-2005, 09:44 AM
<------ I like my avatar and I have it almost since I registered, It's the cover of a goddamn book about the KSK and I'm sure the KSK Operator won't be too suprised to see it that way when he's browsing mp.net ( :roll: ), which seems to be the center of the world to some of you.
My Point is: Who gives a damn what picture someone has as an avatar? This is an internet board, one of a few millions. I don't see where the problem is as long as nobody claims to be the person in the picture. Many users on mp.net prefer to have an operator or soldier from their country as a sign of affiliation, or simply because they thought it looked cool and it fits their artistical taste. On most of those pictures, the face of the person is not even visible or hard to distinguish...
It is kinda annoying that there has to be a drama over almost everything these days and "sickofpretenders", your name kinda gives away your agenda and I still think that you are a drama queen/attention whore....
mi35d
09-23-2005, 10:19 AM
I must make ammends and apologize to all the "Ivan" targets I've ventilated over the years...
SOP: Yes, I read the entire post, not just the last line. As for post count, there are some serious post whores out there but there are times when the topic isn't that serious to warrant every line be deadly serious. This is one of those topics.
You've mentioned your Australian military background and your present employment as a private contractor. Please point out the many, many avatars that you or your direct friends are associated with. The majority that I've seen are comical or generic pictures or clearly from a military source not of Australian origin. This may be why people aren't taking your complaint too seriously. (This added to your member name and the first dozen posts you made when you arrived. Factors to consider.)
dangerdan87
09-23-2005, 10:23 AM
I don't like how airsofties think they "have" to hide their ID like theyre some l337 oporator. Kinda ticks me off how theyre trying to look like something they havent earned.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing gear guru collectors, but the hiding ID is just plain senceless.
sickofpretenders
09-23-2005, 11:21 AM
At no point have I said everyone has to change thier avatar to something that is them. Nor have I suggested the mods start making rules or checking up on everyone. I am not telling anyone to do anything.
The point that its a military site and if you want a pic of something military is very valid. Matchanu also makes a valid point.
My point is simple and its by no means a rule of any kind. I am just saying to people who use a pic that is purely of an operator, like Caleb does, that if you respect the guy in the photo then consider what he would think if he saw his photo next to your writing. If that is difficult to imagine then send me a pic of yourself and ill use it as my avatar and you can see how it feels.
Having a 10ft poster of someone at home, or your desktop wallpaper or the covers of your school books etc etc is not the same thing at all.
I am not a drama whore and if you find drama in my words its is purely because they hit a raw nerve in you. I am calmly stating an opinion in a public forum. If you think im wrong, no problem, but arguing with me is not going to make the guy in your photo respect you for using it.
Conga
09-23-2005, 11:34 AM
<--- I earned this badge so I don't think I'm offending somebody by having this pic as my avatar.
Miles.
09-23-2005, 11:39 AM
It is a valid point but I tend to lean more with Silencer's point.
Photos of operators on the net are fair game. Someone wants to have a avatar of someone comming out of the water, jumping from a plane, shooting guns, etc.. It just doesn't bother me too much.
Now, having an avatar with a specific unit flash sends the wrong message if you are not a member of that unit.
I also think that if you are a member of a specific unit, and choose to help out on a webiste with certain information, then it helps to identify yourself with an avatar with your unit flash.
This site is not SOCNET. It's loosely run and claims go more or less un-verified. I'm not complaining about it, I'm only a guest here and try to help answer some questions every know and then.
So were do you draw the line?
I try not to get too wrapped around the axle about it unless someone is trying to represent a unit they are not part of and being a total clown about it.
If you want a hard line approch to claims of status and viligent policing of the forums, then this is not the place to be. SOCNET, ProffessionalSoldiers, and a couple of other sites take the hard line approch. There are benifits and draw backs to both methods of moderation.
Good post.
panzerjager
09-23-2005, 11:45 AM
Anyone who gets their knickers in a twist over this trivial **** must have tiny little pecker mentality. I can only imagine the mis-firing neurons getting upset about a photo or patch.
And yes, I'm a satanic iron cross!
Hydro
09-23-2005, 12:00 PM
To be honest, if my pic was floating around the net and comeone used it for an avatar, I'd be a little flattered. But, I do kinda see where SOP's coming from.
For what it's worth...
<------Actually my capbadge.
mi35d
09-23-2005, 12:22 PM
SOP - understand your pov but the question still remains, which avatars are you having trouble with?
CALEB's "operator" isn't even visible. There's no way of knowing who the person is. Do you have another example?
I think you're reading into people's comments. It's a conversation not a public trial No one has condemned your opinion. When Godwin is enacted then you know it's gone to hell.
2Sheds_Jackson
09-23-2005, 01:04 PM
Speaking as an adult oriented cartoon character, I can understand where sickofpretenders is coming from. But I would point out that an avatar is not supposed to literally represent the user. In fact, it's a mechanism for identifying one's self without actually showing yourself.
avatar: an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
Therefore, if I use a picture of Santa Claus near Christmas time, I am not claiming to be Santa Claus, only to be in a Christmas state of mind.
So if somebody's pic winds up being somebody else's avatar, well...that's teh Interweb for you.
If somebody's claiming to be something they're not, that's another issue IMHO, and has nothing to do with their avatar. Now I have to get back to my jet and go fight the forces of evil. :lol:
Baboonass
09-23-2005, 01:11 PM
Anyone who gets their knickers in a twist over this trivial **** must have tiny little pecker mentality. I can only imagine the mis-firing neurons getting upset about a photo or patch.
And yes, I'm a satanic iron cross!
It matters if someone is asking a legitimate question about a particular unit and the question is answered by someone who mis-representating that particular unit. Having a "Ranger" scroll as an avatar when you are not a tabbed Ranger and answering Ranger questions is mis-representating yourself, (no one in particular, just an example).
Just like claiming you are a member of a specific unit in a job resume when you are not. It cheapens the image of those who have actually done the job, and tramples the memory of those who gave their lives while doing it.
It's a matter of integrety.
Do I really care if someone wants to dress up like a Navy SEAL and play airsoft? Not at all, it's a game and make believe. Do I care if someone has a poster or screen saver of some special operations unit, or wears a "Rangers are the best, die like the rest" t-shirt, nah, why should it?
Now, do I care if someone is claiming to be a member or former member of a specific unit in a real world context? you are God damn right I do!
I will never claim I represent the entire SEAL community, far from it, but by proxy I unintentionally do. Seeing as there are no other SEALs, (that I know of) on this board, everything I post has the potential of making the entire SEAL community look bad. I think of that everytime I post something. I am not always successfull in my approch and it emabarrasses not only myself, but to the entire SEAL community image.
A phoney doesn't have this problem as he isn't part of that community anyway so what difference does it make? The potential for damaging the image of any specific unit is viable and long lasting.
It may seem trivial to an outsider, but it means a lot to me, and to others within the brotherhood of special operations that took the hard road to get were we are.
Baboonass
09-23-2005, 01:14 PM
Speaking as an adult oriented cartoon character, I can understand where sickofpretenders is coming from. But I would point out that an avatar is not supposed to literally represent the user. In fact, it's a mechanism for identifying one's self without actually showing yourself.
avatar: an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
Therefore, if I use a picture of Santa Claus near Christmas time, I am not claiming to be Santa Claus, only to be in a Christmas state of mind.
So if somebody's pic winds up being somebody else's avatar, well...that's teh Interweb for you.
If somebody's claiming to be something they're not, that's another issue IMHO, and has nothing to do with their avatar. Now I have to get back to my jet and go fight the forces of evil. :lol:
Bah, you are only the man-slave servent, so you are mis representing the fact it is your jet. ;)
Still, I think the line should be drawn at unit flash, everything else is fair game.
My .02
California Joe
09-23-2005, 01:27 PM
What he said.
panzerjager
09-23-2005, 01:32 PM
It may seem trivial to an outsider, but it means a lot to me, and to others within the brotherhood of special operations that took the hard road to get were we are.
I respect your feelings but I personally cannot relate. I think that you know what you have achieved and are proud of these accomplishments, hence who gives a rat's ass if someone displays the symbol? Most people seem to think the ranger, spec forces tabs are kick ass and want to be near them in some fashion. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all.
As for Imposters, I doubt any level proactivity by real SOF vets are going to stop pathetic liars. Once found out, they will effect a new identity and start their lies again. I am not arguing for your passivity on this. It seems futile though.
panzerjager
09-23-2005, 01:34 PM
What he said.
I do hope Clint doesn't take any umbrage with your avatar.
California Joe
09-23-2005, 01:41 PM
Last time we had a few beers he said it was cool with him.
Baboonass
09-23-2005, 01:58 PM
It may seem trivial to an outsider, but it means a lot to me, and to others within the brotherhood of special operations that took the hard road to get were we are.
I respect your feelings but I personally cannot relate. I think that you know what you have achieved and are proud of these accomplishments, hence who gives a rat's ass if someone displays the symbol? Most people seem to think the ranger, spec forces tabs are kick ass and want to be near them in some fashion. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all.
As for Imposters, I doubt any level proactivity by real SOF vets are going to stop pathetic liars. Once found out, they will effect a new identity and start their lies again. I am not arguing for your passivity on this. It seems futile though.
It's just the way I feel about it. In a website dedicated to military photos and military content, having a avatar of a unit's crest/flash/tab/badge/etc.. and giving advice or intel on a subject directly relating to the avatar and not noting that they are not in that unit is a misrepresentation, (i.e. being a phoney) of themself.
As to your other point, it is futile, but the battle never ends. Once someone stops fighting, there will be very little to anyone's credibility.
If this were a medical webiste and people posted questions about medical advice, would it not behove the moderators and admins to make certain those who are giving advice are indeed representitives of the medical community?
Vetting members who are claiming to be of some unit or another gives the site credibilty. Representing your community honestly and fairly is a responsiblity of any memeber of that community. Letting everyone run amock just sends a webiste into a Bedlum of sheer buffoonery. Nothing posted is worth crap, so what is the point?
I think it's worth the effort to keep routing out phonies so that people who have questions about the spec op community get the correct information they deserve.
I think a line should be drawn at some point. I have stated were I think it should be drawn.
Geezah
09-23-2005, 02:32 PM
I'm just waiting for the Brits on here to tell me I'm not really a Geezer p-)
Hydro
09-23-2005, 03:53 PM
I'm just waiting for the Brits on here to tell me I'm not really a Geezer p-)
You mean you're not a little bit wooooah, and a little bit weeeey?
I feel cheated.
I admit it.. I'm not really the girl thats in my avatar :oops:
Anyways, I pretty much agree with whats been said here, if you haven't earned the qualification badge, SSI, etc don't use it as a avatar.
ibstolidude
09-23-2005, 06:18 PM
What he said.
you are just exceited about the whole man-servant thing.
kapral
09-23-2005, 06:27 PM
i have myself on my avatar;)
dangerdan87
09-23-2005, 06:32 PM
i have myself on my avatar;)
Too bad your not doing an "actual security operation" as how it looks in the pic.
Airsofters these days ;)
kapral
09-23-2005, 06:40 PM
i have myself on my avatar;)
Too bad your not doing an "actual security operation" as how it looks in the pic.
Airsofters these days ;)man, I was somehow a real bodyguard on a real wedding;)
dangerdan87
09-23-2005, 07:10 PM
i have myself on my avatar;)
Too bad your not doing an "actual security operation" as how it looks in the pic.
Airsofters these days ;)man, I was somehow a real bodyguard on a real wedding;)
I'll give you props...just because you didnt blur or black-out your face ;)
lol
Creeper
09-24-2005, 12:44 AM
For what it's worth, the mods have confirmed that Minardiau is indeed a squirrel with amazingly large ********s.
Say>> ********s=PHOTOSHOPPED.
(just kidding - hehe)
Creeper
09-24-2005, 01:20 AM
Ok- I will not post a avatar for the simple reason-well,, (I don't know how :( ) However, If I did , chances are real good that it would be something stupid or some ****o chick- But see I am neither ( Look see !)
Like Match, and others, I respect the fact that if you classed in BUDS and earned ur NEC 3129 (?) , did time here and there, then YOU earned the rite to post a Trident avatar. Now, would one from the Navy go out post a avatar with a Long Tab on top (Hush- dont say "Tab" !!) ??.
I have worked, have known, have drank beer - with numerous BTDTs,Of all services, I HAVE NOT been down range, per sei, but one cannot fault the guy for not trying. So - therefore, I am not a team guy- per sei- I have Been There and Tried That (several times !). However, out of respect to the men that have and the ones that are, currently, I for one will not pose with a avatar that perhaps may suggest that I am somebody that I am not. (****o- well I see about that)
Now - one can go to :http://www.armyranger.com/bb/index.php or go to :http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/. Go get their game there- good luck.
There is a mix of people from all areas of the map - however - IMHO - what is, should be universal is the act of respect and understanding.
I have 6 Steinlagers that are getting warm,,,,,,,,,,
In a website dedicated to military photos and military content, having a avatar of a unit's crest/flash/tab/badge/etc.. and giving advice or intel on a subject directly relating to the avatar and not noting that they are not in that unit is a misrepresentation, (i.e. being a phoney) of themself.
My thoughts exactly.
bloddyaxe
09-24-2005, 08:28 AM
BTW, I'm not 大阪さん ... and I'm certainly not a СПЕЦНAЗ or OMFG DELTAHH or anything like that...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/349385517431af41045abf.jpg
Are you the helicopter?
sickofpretenders
09-24-2005, 08:43 AM
I think your avatar is fine. A dumb looking chick looking confused at the world is very appropriate
bloddyaxe
09-24-2005, 10:01 AM
I think your avatar is fine. A dumb looking chick looking confused at the world is very appropriate
Thank you!
But aren't you then posing yourself, if you aren't a helicopter pilot?
Musashi
09-24-2005, 10:07 AM
It should be forbidden to use the official forum avatar "this user has been banned". If somebody wants to have an avatar with such a caption he should use his original (made by himself) avatar different from the official one. That's all.
sickofpretenders
09-24-2005, 10:12 AM
But aren't you then posing yourself, if you aren't a helicopter pilot?
You are clearly another member of this forum either too lazy to read the posts before you comment or too stupid to understand them. I am guessing both.
Maine Finn
09-24-2005, 10:18 AM
But aren't you then posing yourself, if you aren't a helicopter pilot?
You are clearly another member of this forum either too lazy to read the posts before you comment or too stupid to understand them. I am guessing both.
rofl :cantbeli:
American Patriot
09-24-2005, 10:34 AM
I am actually the M1114 in my avatar. VROOM, VROOM, cluck-cluck-cluck-cluck
bloddyaxe
09-24-2005, 10:41 AM
But aren't you then posing yourself, if you aren't a helicopter pilot?
You are clearly another member of this forum either too lazy to read the posts before you comment or too stupid to understand them. I am guessing both.
So you are admitting that you yourself are indeed a poser?
Unless you mean that there is some deep hidden meaning somewhere in this thread that can only be understood after spending few thousand hours in the blistering heat talking with kangeroos?
mudbunny
09-24-2005, 10:53 AM
You are NOT your khakis.
sickofpretenders
09-24-2005, 10:58 AM
hey mudbunny I am calling you a poser! I dont believe you are a strip of camo with 2 stars on it.
2Sheds_Jackson
09-24-2005, 12:02 PM
All this harrumphing about people not being who they say they are - but look at the facts. This is an informal board - the very nature of it precludes any verification of one's history (I wasn't asked to send in any DD214's, how 'bout the rest of you?).
Not only that - think about real life - apart from what you have witnessed with your own eyes - who can you be sure of? We depend upon others to follow the rules and have integrity - but they may not. Some people just don't give a crap. And there goes the code of honor. That's just something we have to deal with. Even the "BTDTs" here - we really don't know squat about them - they may just be clever. Unless we've seen their official service records, we have nothing but faith to go on.
If you haven't seen it, go watch Catch Me if You Can and see how far a smart bull****ter can get (true story of a guy who BS'd his way into an airline pilot's job, and being a doctor).
I understand why people would get bent out of shape over this - but it seems like they may as well be complaining about not liking rainy days. Not like there's anything we can do about it.
Catch22
09-24-2005, 12:03 PM
SOP, what's is your crusade exactly about? First It seemed that you came just to expose some of poor PrincessRAR old fairly-tales, but now you just continue to stir **** in my opinion. It's not SOCNET, it's more relaxed place. I agree with Matchanu and others that posting existing active Units flashes and stuff like that is a no-go, but ffs what about anything else? Most of older members prefer comical/cartoon avatars anyway. So are you that concerned with kids using some more-or-less anonymous soldier pics? Gimme a break. :|
sickofpretenders
09-24-2005, 12:47 PM
I am not crusading. Read what I wrote again. Like i keep saying, I wanted to put down my opinion on a matter. Anytime I do here I get a bunch of 1000+post wannabes who read a line or two of my post trying to tell me I should listen to them and I am not entitled to an opinion and attacking me.
Fortunately I also get some good guys with a level head who put out some good ideas and info. Like Matchanu in this one.
For at least the 3rd time:
I AM NOT ORDERING ANYONE AROUND, ASKING FOR RULES TO BE CHANGED TELLING PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR AVATAR, INSISTING YOUR AVATAR MUST BE A PIC OF YOU AND ONLY YOU ETC ETC.
I am just saying if you respect the operator in you pic take a second to consider how he will feel if he sees his pic next to your writing. That is all.
The rest of this thread has been me answering idiotic crap and trying to explain the above again and again to people who are taking it the wrong way
futurepilot2004
09-24-2005, 12:54 PM
Well I`m keeping mine and thats because:
A: By your rules I`m allowed to, and
B: I don`t give a crap if you say I`m not.
Well I`m keeping mine and thats because:
A: By your rules I`m allowed to, and
B: I don`t give a crap if you say I`m not.
Your soldiers face is covered so no one is offended.
I agree with Matchanu, if its a badge, patch or tab you did not earn then thats an insult to those that worked hard and earned the right to put on their uniform. Pretty much the rest is fair game here.
mi35d
09-24-2005, 04:56 PM
SOP...you might want to check back on most of your posts. You have a tendency to respond rather sharply to the most mild of comments.
No offense but mocking people for expressing their own views while complaining that no one is respecting yours doesn't win you points.
sickofpretenders
09-24-2005, 07:20 PM
Mi, I did check the posts. I made a point, got the expected, commented on it and then got called a drama whore. I then repeated my point several times to people who could not understand I was not making a massive deal not attacking anyone or asking for new rules.
mi35d
09-25-2005, 12:40 AM
I meant in general since becoming a member. Not just in this post.
You are clearly another member of this forum either too lazy to read the posts before you comment or too stupid to understand ...
I did ****head. read the first post. Its what this thread is about.... Do i need to draw a picture for you? Maybe hold your hand while you try to read it?
You clearly failed math a school dumbass...Shut the hell up, get back in you hole and go away.
funny but fiction you sanctimonious turd
Do you like getting called a child? then why are you here?
You just contradicted yourself you little 15 year old, ignorant muslim ****:
Just a few of your replies...amongst some good posts.
Once again, no offense intended and not trying to be the forum police, but you constantly remind people that you're a professional BTDT. Fine. If you take notice you'll see the difference between the wannabees and the vets. Its a higher level of patience, decorum, tact and respect. Doing so hopefully will raise the level of discussion on the forum.
Creeper
09-25-2005, 12:54 AM
Well-- that settles that-- (and I am out of Steinlager).
sickofpretenders
09-25-2005, 06:01 AM
Mi35d you make a fair point and I will take heed of it and endevour to display more patience and tolerance. Some of the examples you have given are fairly justifiable though, when taken in context:
You are clearly another member of this forum either too lazy to read the posts before you comment or too stupid to understand ...
I did ****head. read the first post. Its what this thread is about.... Do i need to draw a picture for you? Maybe hold your hand while you try to read it?
These 2 were in respose to a member who consistently attacked my reasoning with questions that were anwered in the initail post.
You clearly failed math a school dumbass...Shut the hell up, get back in you hole and go away.
That was unduly harsh yes. Stating a 30% causalty rate for contractors was stupid, but my response did not need to be so insulting.
funny but fiction you sanctimonious turd
This was in response to a member who throughout the entire thread had attacked every non-British SAS PSD with immature comments that only detracted from the thread.
Do you like getting called a child? then why are you here?
perhaps to harsh, but 'if you dont like your friends dying why go to iraq?' Is both offensive and dumb.
You just contradicted yourself you little 15 year old, ignorant muslim ****:
When you have lost mates its hard to been objective about some subjects.
You say i constantly remind people I am BTDT. I guess Í probably do. I dont like doing so but I have been questioned and attacked from post 1, predominantly by people who are not military and have little understanding of the subject they are arguing about. In the pissing contest that begins as soon as a new member starts posting here I dont intend to let facts be overruled by number of stars next to a name.
RGRBOX
09-25-2005, 07:03 AM
Anyone who gets their knickers in a twist over this trivial **** must have tiny little pecker mentality. I can only imagine the mis-firing neurons getting upset about a photo or patch.
And yes, I'm a satanic iron cross!
It matters if someone is asking a legitimate question about a particular unit and the question is answered by someone who mis-representating that particular unit. Having a "Ranger" scroll as an avatar when you are not a tabbed Ranger and answering Ranger questions is mis-representating yourself, (no one in particular, just an example).
Just like claiming you are a member of a specific unit in a job resume when you are not. It cheapens the image of those who have actually done the job, and tramples the memory of those who gave their lives while doing it.
It's a matter of integrety.
Do I really care if someone wants to dress up like a Navy SEAL and play airsoft? Not at all, it's a game and make believe. Do I care if someone has a poster or screen saver of some special operations unit, or wears a "Rangers are the best, die like the rest" t-shirt, nah, why should it?
Now, do I care if someone is claiming to be a member or former member of a specific unit in a real world context? you are God damn right I do!
I will never claim I represent the entire SEAL community, far from it, but by proxy I unintentionally do. Seeing as there are no other SEALs, (that I know of) on this board, everything I post has the potential of making the entire SEAL community look bad. I think of that everytime I post something. I am not always successfull in my approch and it emabarrasses not only myself, but to the entire SEAL community image.
A phoney doesn't have this problem as he isn't part of that community anyway so what difference does it make? The potential for damaging the image of any specific unit is viable and long lasting.
It may seem trivial to an outsider, but it means a lot to me, and to others within the brotherhood of special operations that took the hard road to get were we are.
Very well said, and your right on all points... I myself, ahve chosen my Avatar, because not only did I serve in the 505th PIR but no one else was using it. The BTDT on this site, know who they are, I don't know all of the BTDT here, but am happy to find one from time to time. It's obvious here who isn't just by reading their post... but like Matchanu here, I would prefer that those of you with Airborne, Ranger, Seals, Sf etc... in your name or Avatar wand are not BTDTs form those respective units, would lay off. Wannabess are just that, and most never make it into the military must less thru the required tests that it takes to earn the right to wear those emblems of Hooahness... Do I want this site to become a plase where you have to send a copy of your DD Form 214 to Hood, NO. Because it doesn't matter to me one bit. But to have a little Integrity and not be someone your not doesn't take much...
By the way, I use my real name on this site, is that stupid probably, but I have nothing to hide...
bloddyaxe
09-25-2005, 07:12 AM
Comrade SOP, you are also a racist
I thought iceland was different to greenland? It appears there is at least one barely literate savage still living there.
You think that inuits are barely literate savages?
sickofpretenders
09-25-2005, 07:54 AM
Bloddyaxe:
Dragging a PM out of context and into the public is a low thing to do. I endeavoured to save the thread from more immature crap from you by PMing you.
For the record, yes some inuits still are. Some are completely illiterate and live day to day in almost the same way as they did hundreds of years ago. But I never said nor implied they all were, merely that I thaught there were no illiterate inuit living in iceland, until dealing with you made me wonder if there was in fact still one.
To imply I am a racist just shows once again, you are incapable of understanding even simple sentences. Perhaps rather than focusing on a word or two you should make an effort to link them together and understand the meaning meant, not the meaning you want to hear.
Let us look at a couple of your public posts:
way better than some evil Swedes
If we look at Danish military deeds PERIOD we will se that the danes would get slaughtered, there is a reason why both our countries aren't part of denmark anymore.
Do you believe all Swedes are evil and the Danish military is worthless?
Why do you hate Scandinavians so much?
caleb
09-25-2005, 09:00 AM
Oh common! Let this thread die already, it's sliding into senseless gibberish.
Let it go...
Oh common! Let this thread die already, it's sliding into senseless gibberish.
Let it go...
thats not you in the avatar :bash: you should be banned!!! :lol:
caleb
09-25-2005, 09:30 AM
Oh common! Let this thread die already, it's sliding into senseless gibberish.
Let it go...
thats not you in the avatar :bash: you should be banned!!! :lol:
So I guess you're Bender then? May I have an autograph? Please?
bloddyaxe
09-25-2005, 09:50 AM
Bloddyaxe:
Dragging a PM out of context and into the public is a low thing to do. I endeavoured to save the thread from more immature crap from you by PMing you.
For the record, yes some inuits still are. Some are completely illiterate and live day to day in almost the same way as they did hundreds of years ago. But I never said nor implied they all were, merely that I thaught there were no illiterate inuit living in iceland, until dealing with you made me wonder if there was in fact still one.
To imply I am a racist just shows once again, you are incapable of understanding even simple sentences. Perhaps rather than focusing on a word or two you should make an effort to link them together and understand the meaning meant, not the meaning you want to hear.
Let us look at a couple of your public posts:
way better than some evil Swedes
If we look at Danish military deeds PERIOD we will se that the danes would get slaughtered, there is a reason why both our countries aren't part of denmark anymore.
Do you believe all Swedes are evil and the Danish military is worthless?
Why do you hate Scandinavians so much?
What do you know of Scandinavia?
Its a pretty well known joke to call Swedes evil, because they became christians 3 centuries later than rest of Scandinavia. The fact that you didn't get that part means that you are probably pretty ignorant of Scandinavia.
Don't remember what thread that Denmark comment was on. Anyways the king of Denmark managed to profit heavily on the trading monopoly he had in Iceland, but they seemed to loose all that money by losing all the wars they fought. Making Icelanders angry.
The Danish military isn't worthless, but its a fact that a Danish politician once said they should disband it and instead of it have a telephone answering machine saying "We surrender, contact NATO for further details."
Also I'm not sure you are actually quoting me there...
Anyways, it would be pretty silly for me to hate Scandinavia, considering all the friends and relatives I got there.
But then, that would probably be pretty oblivious to an angry guy pretending to be a helicopter pilot?
sickofpretenders
09-25-2005, 10:17 AM
Calm down drama whore. What do you know of Australia and and our humor or culture?
Also I'm not sure you are actually quoting me there...
Wrong buddy, maybe you would put words in anothers mouth but I wouldnt.
The Danish military isn't worthless, but its a fact that a Danish politician once said they should disband it and instead of it have a telephone answering machine saying "We surrender, contact NATO for further details."
That danish military you are abusing is currently serving in more locations than your own. I have good friends who are former Danish soldiers who would not like to hear some icelandic military groupie is calling them surrendering cowards.
But then, that would probably be pretty oblivious to an angry guy pretending to be a helicopter pilot?
Yawn.
Oh common! Let this thread die already, it's sliding into senseless gibberish.
Let it go...
thats not you in the avatar :bash: you should be banned!!! :lol:
So I guess you're Bender then? May I have an autograph? Please?
:lol:
bloddyaxe
09-25-2005, 10:39 AM
Calm down drama whore. What do you know of Australia and and our humor or culture?
Also I'm not sure you are actually quoting me there...
Wrong buddy, maybe you would put words in anothers mouth but I wouldnt.
The Danish military isn't worthless, but its a fact that a Danish politician once said they should disband it and instead of it have a telephone answering machine saying "We surrender, contact NATO for further details."
That danish military you are abusing is currently serving in more locations than your own. I have good friends who are former Danish soldiers who would not like to hear some icelandic military groupie is calling them surrendering cowards.
But then, that would probably be pretty oblivious to an angry guy pretending to be a helicopter pilot?
Yawn.
I know very little of Austrialia, and why should that matter? It isn't as if you didn't begin by bringing Scandinavia into this thread?
All I know is that Austrialia has kangeroos, polluting coal powerplants and crazy greenpeacers...
Can you give a link to the quoted threads?
I probably have probably met and spoken to more Danish people than you, and I know Icelanders who have served in the Danish army... not that it matters anyway...
I don't remember calling them surrendering cowards, can you give me a link?
But they did lose lots of money and Slesvig and Holstein...
As for that yawn, maybe going to sleep after admitting that people should have whatever avatar they like, would do good for your mental health...
What is your problem with me? I dont understand your need to attack me over this. Abusing the Danish military is not cool, especially coming from a country that does not even HAVE a significant military. You want to know what I know of scandinavia? - Kan du taler dansk eller norsk?
Je forhelvedet vi kan snakke dansk i Island, når vi kan spise ostemåd og drikke hoffff. Men vores dansk er alligevel måske ikke extremt smykt og rigtige, fordi vores lærere er ikke så rigtigt godt lærere...
Og så vil jeg gærne have som mere exempler af dine nordiske sprog studierer.
sickofpretenders
09-25-2005, 11:03 AM
More PM's public? I guess you dont know the P stands for 'Private'
More racist generalisations about Australia? A country you cant even spell?
If you want to go read your own racist words just go to the first 5 pages you wrote on this forum. I started at your first and worked back. I took less than 5 pages to find those 2 racist cracks.
Anyway as I am actually getting dumber reading your mindless rants I give up. You are right and I have peace.
Someone please lock this and save me from more drivel
Hullebullen
09-25-2005, 11:42 AM
In before the lock... :lol:
Maine Finn
09-25-2005, 11:50 AM
In before the lock... :lol:
Hey man, noticed you've decided to come back and visit. Hope things are goin' okay. You haven't happened to have seen that nut Guttorm in your travels, have you? ;)
walford
09-25-2005, 12:08 PM
I'm really not a middle-aged, long-winded Paleo-con International Relations specialist who often quotes his own website for standard answers when faced with the same tired bromides offered by fallacy-worshipping, fuzzy-wuzzy Lefties.
I'm actually a smokin' hot 19-year-old blonde babe who couldn't find her own shapely ass w/both hands. But no worry, I get plenty of help in that regard.
Maine Finn
09-25-2005, 12:14 PM
I'm really not a middle-aged, long-winded Paleo-con International Relations specialist who often quotes his own website for standard answers when faced with the same tired bromides offered by fallacy-worshipping, fuzzy-wuzzy Lefties.
I'm actually a smokin' hot 19-year-old blonde babe who couldn't find her own shapely ass w/both hands. But no worry, I get plenty of help in that regard.
So that's what happened to FM.
Hullebullen
09-25-2005, 12:21 PM
In before the lock... :lol:
Hey man, noticed you've decided to come back and visit. Hope things are goin' okay. You haven't happened to have seen that nut Guttorm in your travels, have you? ;)
If you by Guttorm mean the bald, wild-eyed norwegian I keep dressed up in latex as my ***-slave locked in my basement, then no, I haven't seen him...
...and yeah, It's good to be back. You made it into the NG yet?
Maine Finn
09-25-2005, 12:22 PM
In before the lock... :lol:
Hey man, noticed you've decided to come back and visit. Hope things are goin' okay. You haven't happened to have seen that nut Guttorm in your travels, have you? ;)
If you by Guttorm mean the bald, wild-eyed norwegian I keep dressed up in latex as my ***-slave locked in my basement, then no, I haven't seen him...
rofl rofl
I was wondering he'd disappeared to...
walford
09-25-2005, 12:26 PM
I'm actually a smokin' hot 19-year-old blonde babe who couldn't find her own shapely ass w/both hands. But no worry, I get plenty of help in that regard.So that's what happened to FM.Don't be jealous, he still wants to consume your gluteal region as always.
Maine Finn
09-25-2005, 12:39 PM
I'm actually a smokin' hot 19-year-old blonde babe who couldn't find her own shapely ass w/both hands. But no worry, I get plenty of help in that regard.So that's what happened to FM.Don't be jealous, he still wants to consume your gluteal region as always.
And I still want to end any hope of him spawning little likenesses of himself. :D
bloddyaxe
09-25-2005, 12:41 PM
More PM's public? I guess you dont know the P stands for 'Private'
More racist generalisations about Australia? A country you cant even spell?
If you want to go read your own racist words just go to the first 5 pages you wrote on this forum. I started at your first and worked back. I took less than 5 pages to find those 2 racist cracks.
Anyway as I am actually getting dumber reading your mindless rants I give up. You are right and I have peace.
Someone please lock this and save me from more drivel
I found the thread you were referring to.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=330778&highlight=#330778
There you are actually quoting Wiking, who BTW is a Norwegian...
I quoted him, so that quote is displayed when you look at "Find all posts by poster" page...
Not that I wasn't pretty harsh on that page too... p-)
sickofpretenders
09-25-2005, 01:28 PM
Wow.
So let me get this straight:
In my thread about avatars, you come in, misread or misunderstand the first post, abuse me, make a 2 PM's public, call me a racist while in another thread you are in fact insulting the same race, Insult my country, insult the Danish military, break the rule about non-english language writing, ask me to break the rule also and most bizzare of all announce you can eat cheese sandwiches and drink beer.
I guess I am curious now as to why :cantbeli:
walford
09-25-2005, 01:35 PM
http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/10182/200.jpg
achilles
09-25-2005, 02:06 PM
I'm actually a smokin' hot 19-year-old blonde babe who couldn't find her own shapely ass w/both hands. But no worry, I get plenty of help in that regard.
In that case....could we be provided with several-if not many- recent pictures of you and your shapely buttocks?
walford
09-25-2005, 02:13 PM
^^^You Greeks must somehow get over your fascination with the female backside. What's the big deal?
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3362/dana017edited7mw.jpg
Aerosoul
09-25-2005, 02:17 PM
Ya know it'd be nice to have threads not turn into this.
SOP stated what he feels and for a short while it seemed the replies were good. Civility and no insults. But, per usual, a few guys come into the thread and **** it all up. You completely misconstrued SOP's views and are refusing to understand what he writes, or are just too busy trying to reply to every thread that you don't even give a ****.
Lock this ****.
achilles
09-25-2005, 02:23 PM
walford: You could say that we are bit fond of 'unconventional methods'
http://home.tiscali.be/joke1/Neap4/nice%20ass.jpg
woot
bloddyaxe
09-25-2005, 02:27 PM
Wow.
So let me get this straight:
In my thread about avatars, you come in, misread or misunderstand the first post, abuse me, make a 2 PM's public, call me a racist while in another thread you are in fact insulting the same race, Insult my country, insult the Danish military, break the rule about non-english language writing, ask me to break the rule also and most bizzare of all announce you can eat cheese sandwiches and drink beer.
I guess I am curious now as to why :cantbeli:
Can you explain how I misunderstood anything?
And I believe that you misunderstood my danish as well...
Maybe you could show your danish friends what I wrote and they can tell you what I actually mean. But you are close...
But seriously I think you have broken another rule about bad language...
And you did misquote me as well...
And I haven't made any racist remarks either, unlike you.
But you have admitted that you were wrong in your first post in this thread and that was the goal. To improve your chances of having a happy experience on this forum.
walford
09-25-2005, 02:31 PM
This stupid thread has been hijacked by beautiful female asses.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8075/0578034edited4ox.jpg
Aerosoul
09-25-2005, 02:32 PM
It's probably because of MP.net that imageshack has this on their index page now.
http://imageshack.us/banmessage.png
EsoognomEhT
09-25-2005, 02:33 PM
pretenders you did what? 6 years in the gig, 4 in cdo's? you think your top **** calling people o
hurhurhuhru
walford
09-25-2005, 02:42 PM
It's probably because of MP.net that imageshack has this on their index page now. http://imageshack.us/banmessage.pngDo you know the difference between **** and cheesecake? Those pics are firmly below the threshold, as evidenced by the thousands of similar ones on the Babes thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34135&highlight=). But by all means, petition to have me banned. Good luck w/that.
Aerosoul
09-25-2005, 02:46 PM
It's probably because of MP.net that imageshack has this on their index page now. http://imageshack.us/banmessage.pngDo you know the difference between **** and cheesecake? Those pics are firmly below the threshold, as evidenced by the thousands of similar ones on the Babes thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34135&highlight=). But by all means, petition to have me banned. Good luck w/that.
I never said it was ****. But imagehosts have a differnet view on the matter. I'm not trying to get you banned. The pics just reminded me of it, because I was going to imageshack to host an image for my blog.
Lighten up, ****.
walford
09-25-2005, 02:51 PM
I never said it was ****. But imagehosts have a differnet view on the matter. I'm not trying to get you banned. The pics just reminded me of it, because I was going to imageshack to host an image for my blog. Lighten up, ****.Send a complaint to Imageshack, then if it offends you so. I've been hosting pics like those for quite some time there.
Me lighten up?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/177802997443337324b0cb5.jpg
Aerosoul
09-25-2005, 02:52 PM
Send a complaint to Imageshack, then if it offends you so. I've been hosting pics like those for quite some time there.
Where did I every say it offended me? WTF? :|
sickofpretenders
09-25-2005, 02:55 PM
and that was the goal. To improve your chances of having a happy experience on this forum
Thanks buddy, glad to know you have my back.
Its quotes from princess all you have Mongoose?
walford
09-25-2005, 02:57 PM
Send a complaint to Imageshack, then if it offends you so. I've been hosting pics like those for quite some time there.Where did I every say it offended me? WTF? :|You post the rule against **** right after a pic that I posted. Then you call me a **** for reacting to that. WTF indeed.
Lokos
09-25-2005, 03:03 PM
Do you know the difference between **** and cheesecake?
Technically speaking, that last picture most likely IS from a **** film/shoot, as the lady in question is a reasonably well known **** star. Now, whether the first seconds of a **** flick aren't '****' because they've all still got clothes on seems an immaterial question. It all depends on your definition of ****. Me, for example, I'd count the whole movie/shoot - and not exclude the opportune ass shot with the bared **** facing away from my POV.
And you overreacted as all hell, Walford - Silencer's off the cuff remark was entirely benign.
Lokos
walford
09-25-2005, 03:08 PM
bla bla bla
LokosThanks for that in-depth analysis. To me, it was a pic of a woman's ass that I posted about 9mos ago.
still not Lokos
dez000
09-25-2005, 03:09 PM
Haven't read the thread but I agree with SOP, I know several military sites that not allow civilians to use avatars specifficly resambling a person or unit. General military things are allowed like planes or tanks.
Lokos
09-25-2005, 03:12 PM
Thanks for that in-depth analysis. To me, it was a pic of a woman's ass that I posted about 9mos ago.
Considering you bit off that kid's head because of an interpretation failure on your part, your dismissal just ain't proving meaningful to me, champ.
Lokos
Maine Finn
09-25-2005, 03:16 PM
...and yeah, It's good to be back. You made it into the NG yet?
Yes sir, I did. Not NG though, but Reserves. woot
walford
09-25-2005, 03:35 PM
Considering you bit off that kid's head because of an interpretation failure on your part,Or perhaps I saw his comments for what they were and reacted accordingly. I haven't even begun to get nasty yet, but am prepared to do so if necessary. Don't start none, won't be none.
...your dismissal just ain't proving meaningful to me, champ.You provide constant reminders as to why your opinions are so valuable.
achilles
09-25-2005, 03:52 PM
Look at this...and i havent even posted any pics from my interacial gallery...yet :|
von_Moo142
09-25-2005, 04:02 PM
http://www.dia-niederbayern.de/Bilder/Wolpertinger.jpg
The Wolpertinger thinks y'all should lighten up.
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