Why does no one remember Asia?

[stateofequilibrium]

When talking about WWII, why does no one remember what the Japanese did to Asia? It's almost always about the jewish holocaust where only a "paltry" 6 million were, by comparison, "humanely" exterminated.

Just reading about the Nanjing Massacre, Units 731, 100 and God knows how many. 400,000 women being used as *** slaves and by the wars end, 360,000 of them being killed..

Is it because we're too afraid to upset Japan? Because we profited in knowledge from their atrocities? What?

[James]

Who is your question directed towards? Who's forgotten Asia? I don't think anyone has.

[UkrainianAmerican]

FYI:
After world war 2 the Peoples (haha) Republic of China needed trade cotracts with Japan. Thus it was China who censored the information regarding the Rape of Nanking.

[TriggerPuller]

When talking about WWII, why does no one remember what the Japanese did to Asia? It's almost always about the jewish holocaust where only a "paltry" 6 million were, by comparison, "humanely" exterminated.

Just reading about the Nanjing Massacre, Units 731, 100 and God knows how many. 400,000 women being used as *** slaves and by the wars end, 360,000 of them being killed..

Is it because we're too afraid to upset Japan? Because we profited in knowledge from their atrocities? What?You insulting fuucking POS!!! I guarantee if you said something even remotely like this in my vicinity you would cease to exist. I strongly recommend that you re-think about what you have written! You are one ignorant asshole!!!

TP

[California Joe]

What he said.

In actuality, I've seen the statistics of survivability for Allied airmen downed by the Japanese vs. Germans. In Germany the percentage was 87%. Those that fell into Japanese hands? The percentage was in the TEENS. People who know history know about these things. There is no conspiracy you imbecile. So blow me.

[Trigger]

I remember 'Asia'. Didn't they have a few hit singles in the early 80's?
"Heat of the Moment" was one I think... ;)

*Trigger attempts to defuse an explosive situation with humor...*

[TriggerPuller]

I remember 'Asia'. Didn't they have a few hit singles in the early 80's?
"Heat of the Moment" was one I think... ;)

*Trigger attempts to defuse an explosive situation with humor...*How about ASIA Carrera. She filmed 2 movies at my gun shop/range!! :D

Trigger whats wrong with this conversation being explosive? He shouldnt have opened his damn cockholster and said this **** unless he was trying purposely to start a fight......and today Iam not in the mood for this kinda BS!!

TP

[California Joe]

*Hands TP a beer and pops in an Asia Carrera vid*

[Trigger]

<static> Copy TP. No worries <static>

[TriggerPuller]

*Hands TP a beer and pops in an Asia Carrera vid*She is fookin hot and a member of the Mensa Society,go figure!!

TP

[California Joe]

*Hands TP a beer and pops in an Asia Carrera vid*She is fookin hot and a member of the Mensa Society,go figure!!

TP

Quite. Do you believe that Tera Patrick got her ****s done? Stupid. ;)

[Haiw]

Asia...hmm...Asia...Asia. Rings a bell but can't quite place it... Hmmmmh. Is it a country or something? ;)

[TriggerPuller]

*Hands TP a beer and pops in an Asia Carrera vid*She is fookin hot and a member of the Mensa Society,go figure!!

TP

Quite. Do you believe that Tera Patrick got her ****s done? Stupid. ;)Wait is this true? She always took pride in her natural ones! WTF?
I met her at a party about 3 years ago, there were some really beautiful women there and I mean upper echelon but she stood out in the crowd. She really had it going on! I was hoping that I could be her "body"guard!

TP

[California Joe]

*Hands TP a beer and pops in an Asia Carrera vid*She is fookin hot and a member of the Mensa Society,go figure!!

TP

Quite. Do you believe that Tera Patrick got her ****s done? Stupid. ;)Wait is this true? She always took pride in her natural ones! WTF?
I met her at a party about 3 years ago, there were some really beautiful women there and I mean upper echelon but she stood out in the crowd. She really had it going on! I was hoping that I could be her "body"guard!

TP
Yup, it's true. She screwed up perfection.

[Haiw]

I met her at a party about 3 years ago, there were some really beautiful women there and I mean upper echelon but she stood out in the crowd. She really had it going on! I was hoping that I could be her "body"guard!

TP
Dang...being a Marine is sounding more and more interesting by the second! woot

[Fox2]

When you're in the Air Force, the women are provided by the government.

[Haiw]

I'm getting close to applying for a green card! :D

[TriggerPuller]

*Hands TP a beer and pops in an Asia Carrera vid*She is fookin hot and a member of the Mensa Society,go figure!!

TP

Quite. Do you believe that Tera Patrick got her ****s done? Stupid. ;)Wait is this true? She always took pride in her natural ones! WTF?
I met her at a party about 3 years ago, there were some really beautiful women there and I mean upper echelon but she stood out in the crowd. She really had it going on! I was hoping that I could be her "body"guard!

TP
Yup, it's true. She screwed up perfection.Damn I didnt know this and I pride myself by keeping "up" on these things. Are they much bigger? I mean I like very much the enhanced versions but she didnt need to go there! Man, hot intelligent women with self esteem problems,makes you wonder what the fuuck went on in her childhood!!

TP

[Dalleer]

Indeed I do remember Asia, we were just talking about this particular subject on a thread located on the same section as this.

[TriggerPuller]

I met her at a party about 3 years ago, there were some really beautiful women there and I mean upper echelon but she stood out in the crowd. She really had it going on! I was hoping that I could be her "body"guard!

TP
Dang...being a Marine is sounding more and more interesting by the second! woot This was in my civilian life,Ive been out for a while doing the bodyguard thing!

TP

FOX2, I got one of those Air force women issued to me to but she is in korea for the next few months! The AF did a **** job on her a few years ago and all she had to pay for was the implants themselves the AF footed the bill for the surgery and after care! This AF doc should have been awarded a medal they were/are the most realistic pair i have ever seen or felt. Truely amazing!! The AF rocks!

[Fox2]

Another satisfied customer.

[TriggerPuller]

Another satisfied customer.LMMFAO!!

TP

[IDFM203]

When you're in the Air Force, the women are provided by the government.

or



FOX2, I got one of those Air force women issued to me

or



The AF did a **** job on her a few years ago and all she had to pay for was the implants themselves the AF footed the bill for the surgery and after care! This AF doc should have been awarded a medal they were/are the most realistic pair i have ever seen or felt. Truely amazing!! The AF rocks!


WTF??? ;) You guys get government issued women along with your rifles? ;)

Oh and the AF does **** jobs for their women serving there??


Gees now THAT’s an argument for the best military in the world :lol: (hell even now I cant even argue with that ;) )




Seriously now, if this is for real, can anyone explain how this “policy” works?

Shalom :D

[TriggerPuller]

When you're in the Air Force, the women are provided by the government.

or



FOX2, I got one of those Air force women issued to me

or



The AF did a **** job on her a few years ago and all she had to pay for was the implants themselves the AF footed the bill for the surgery and after care! This AF doc should have been awarded a medal they were/are the most realistic pair i have ever seen or felt. Truely amazing!! The AF rocks!


WTF??? ;) You guys get government issued women along with your rifles? ;)

Oh and the AF does **** jobs for their women serving there??


Gees now THAT’s an argument for the best military in the world :lol: (hell even now I cant even argue with that ;) )




Seriously now, if this is for real, can anyone explain how this “policy” works?

Shalom :DWell my fine Israeli friend this is true. I know cause I was there with her for the surgery. Iam a Marine so this was all new to me also. They even do liposuction for the women and men who may require it. It is at no cost except for the hospital garment and it id mandatory that you buy 2 of them at $60 each. Whata deal huh? Gotta love those AF chicks, I know I do!

TP

P.S. in case you were serious NO the women are not issued to you,it was just a joke. Take care

[IDFM203]

. Whata deal huh? Gotta love those AF chicks, I know I do! wow that is something!!

Yeah you gotta love those AF chicks in both of our militaries, and those U.S. government “enhancement” programs are pretty interesting……..though after seeing some IAF chicks, I am not sure that there is any real need for any AF government program like in the U.S ;) ………their fine just the way they are :D

Ok now seriously, now you got me all confused (based on your last statement), is this all for real or not?. Believe me with the kind of money that your military has, Ill believe anything (any expenditure) about it even something like this ;)


P.S. in case you were serious NO the women are not issued to you,it was just a joke. Take care Well my fine Marine friend, I was a bit serious ;) , I mean hell you come off as a direct “straight shooter” most of the time, and as such it’s a bit hard to tell if your joking or not ;)

Seriously though, yeah of course I know they don’t issue you women, at least I woudnt think so (though you never know? ;) )…..But hell TP, there was nothing wrong with you allowing me to perhaps think that they did. I mean hell I am already jealous of those MRE’s that you get ( just look at my post in this thread (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7652&start=40) for the sh*t that we get) and now the supposed issued women…….yeah you guys have it made ;) :D

Shalom :D

[TriggerPuller]

IDFM203, I would never joke about someting as serious as ****s! She only paid for the implants themselves which was approx $400 each,but you have to buy them in pairs! LOL Like i mentioned before i was in shock when she told me they would do this. I actually blew a gasket and started comlaining about the AF and how they are not military! She told me that this program was great for women with low self esteem. Like her I guess. I havent had the pleasure of feeling out the goods recently for she has been deployed to korea for the last 7 months. I sure miss that little Latina(cuban) honey!!! take care

TP

[AFG]

IDFM203, I would never joke about someting as serious as ****s! She only paid for the implants themselves which was approx $400 each,but you have to buy them in pairs! LOL Like i mentioned before i was in shock when she told me they would do this. I actually blew a gasket and started comlaining about the AF and how they are not military! She told me that this program was great for women with low self esteem. Like her I guess. I havent had the pleasure of feeling out the good for she has been deployed to korea for the last 7 months. I sure miss that little Latina(cuban) honey!!! take care

TP

lol thats sorta mean

[mocking_loudly_died]

I'm a big Asia Carrera fan; I actually send her bizarre emails.

Nothing like spooky obsessive poetry to stir up a law suit.

Hobbies are fun.

[TriggerPuller]

I'm a big Asia Carrera fan; I actually send her bizarre emails.

Nothing like spooky obsessive poetry to stir up a law suit.

Hobbies are fun.Who is the hottie in your Avatar?

TP

[mocking_loudly_died]

I'm a big Asia Carrera fan; I actually send her bizarre emails.

Nothing like spooky obsessive poetry to stir up a law suit.

Hobbies are fun.Who is the hottie in your Avatar?

TP

It's Kelly Hu, she likes long walks in the park and cheap meals.

Once she bought a PC off my friend at Best Buys - it's meant to be some ****ty computer store in LA.

[hank]

I don't want to interrupt this great **** debate, b/c any more personal information you guys can give about Asia or Tera is greatly appreciated here at the involuntarily ****-free home of Mr. and Mrs. Hank - but -

It does seem like the attrocities committed by the Japanese against the Chinese don't get very much play. I mean, its not like anybody does museums or anything like Spielberg and other Hollywood types do for Holocaust victims. I have't seen any asian-oriented Schindler's List or the Piano type movies, have ya'll?

Maybe it is becuse the Chinese have such a closed society. Anybody know if the Chinese teach about Japanese attrocities in their schools like we learn about the holocaust? Just curious.

hank

[duck]

Japan has invested a huge amount of money in China and hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrants have flocked to the Japanese Isles. So the Chinese authorities do not really want to stir up unnecessary conflict if not needed for domestic reasons. Students critical of the government can be steered towards anti-Japanese demonstrations if a need is seen to let off some steam, the underlying feelings of patriotism and humiliation are always there. And yes, patriotism is instilled in people by teaching about both Japanese and Western nations misdonduct towards China. There is an interesting hit movie available on DVD where the American main character turns to communism and joins Maos Red Army after witnessing Japanese and Western brutality and greed firsthand.

BTW, the Japanese have always had a great affinity for the Jewish community whom they admire in many ways, just like they do the Swiss.

[hank]

thanks duck

[GazB]

"Japan has invested a huge amount of money in China and hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrants have flocked to the Japanese Isles. So the Chinese authorities do not really want to stir up unnecessary conflict if not needed for domestic reasons."

Except that these investments are a recent thing and Japan was doing nasty stuff in China from about the Mid 30s when they invaded... well before the western concept of WWII (ie 39-45).

Certainly the lack of Nurenburgh trials for the Japanese... I won't call them scientists... perhaps Aholes may have effected the world view. What the Japanese did was not really about exterminating a race. They didn't try to sterilise anyone. They were interested in how Germs work... for the purpose of weaponising them. A few hundred humans would be infected with something and then 5 a day would be killed and autopsied... or often just autopsied to see how the particular germ or disease had progressed through the body. Any that weren't killed to check the progress, and didn't die of the disease were killed to see why they survived. Different strains of the same disease might act different so many strains were tested.

There were no trials because the US decided that the information the Japanese had recorded might be useful against the Soviets. Promises of not just immunity but also a nice house and job in America were offered if they cooperated and didn't destroy their notes. In the end the methods used were found to be flawed and the information was of little use so a lot of people died horribly for nothing.

Of course being a rather closed society the Chinese history is not well known outside China, but they haven't forgotten. The Koreans haven't forgotten either, nor the Vietnamese, or any other occupied Asian country.

Just ask a Korean what a comfort girl is... They will tell you it is a girl taken by force from her family at a young age and forced to travel with a Japanese army unit and used as a *** slave for the men in that unit... till she was worn out or killed by a sadistic soldier... then they just went to the nearest village and got another comfort girl... a younger one perhaps.

[Durandal]

Certainly the lack of Nurenburgh trials for the Japanese...

No but the U.S. did put quite a number of those fuc%ers on trial and hung them.


The Tokyo prosecution began in May 1946; after hundreds of sessions, it closed in November two years later. The trial was held, perhaps symbolically, in the auditorium of the Japanese War Ministry building, and in the audience were 100 correspondents, both Japanese and Allied, and several hundred spectators. Before it was over, the prosecution had produced more than 400 witnesses, almost 800 witness affidavits and about 1,000 other documents.

Not nearly as many were brought to trial as were Germans, but the Japanese were tried, none the less.

[Maj C]

suggest you read Bradley's "Flyboys" - has some insights into the Japanese war crimes or "War Without Mercy"

[TriggerPuller]

suggest you read Bradley's "Flyboys" - has some insights into the Japanese war crimes or "War Without Mercy"or Hidden Horrors: japanese Atrocities of WWII.

TP

[Resevoir Hogs]

duhhh...where's asia?!

[GazB]

"No but the U.S. did put quite a number of those fuc%ers on trial and hung them. "

the ones that wouldn't cooperate, or did they just break their word?

"Not nearly as many were brought to trial as were Germans, but the Japanese were tried, none the less."

They were doing what they did for almost twice as long as the Germans yet there were no official war crimes trials for these men. They got away with what they did. Unless you have evidence they were tried for their crimes then I have yet to see proof any were tried. (If you do have proof I would very much like to see it.)

[Durandal]

"No but the U.S. did put quite a number of those fuc%ers on trial and hung them. "

the ones that wouldn't cooperate, or did they just break their word?

"Not nearly as many were brought to trial as were Germans, but the Japanese were tried, none the less."

They were doing what they did for almost twice as long as the Germans yet there were no official war crimes trials for these men. They got away with what they did. Unless you have evidence they were tried for their crimes then I have yet to see proof any were tried. (If you do have proof I would very much like to see it.)

Well, lets see...ther Nazis started around 1935...

The Japanese were doing the same thing about the same time.

I will disagree about the twice as long statement. I will also argue that Japanese Imperial Army, committed war crimes, they did not actively decide to eleimate a race...which the Germans did...and in many ways...the Russians.

Do not get me wrong. The Japanese comitted attrocities....but the Russians and Germans did it better...or worse depending on your view point.

[GazB]

"they did not actively decide to eleimate a race...which the Germans did...and in many ways...the Russians. "

The Germans actively tried to eradicate the Jews, which race did the Russians try to eradicate?

The Japanese are a race with a warrior ethic and to them there is nothing more shameful than surrender. Though many did surrender to the US and other forces their code of conduct meant that anyone who surrendered to them were worse than animals. You can respect and animal. The scale fo testing by the japanese was very large and included western prisoners too. It was a fully organised part of their war machine... not some accidental thing that just happened. As I said the goal was weaponising germs and chemicals into weapons of war. These were not tests to show some race was inferior like the germans tried, or attempts to sterilise. It was animal testing but using humans with all control animals exterminated.

The summary executions of the Nazis of Russian villagers and treatment of the slavic people in German prisons was comparable.

BTW you didn't answer my questions. Those Japanese you say were brought to trial, did they not hand over info or did the US break its word regarding amnesty? (Don't care either way... they certainly deserved hanging, but would like to know.)

[Maj C]

I don't have the stats in front of me but I know that many Japanese were tried and executed for war crimes. Whether every Japanese from unit 731 were given blanket amnesty or not I'm not certain. I don't think so...I think some just evaded capture. Apparently one of them used their experience to poison tea to kill everyone in a bank and rob it some time after the war.

[oldsoak]

The west suffers from a kind of chauvinism when it comes to the east. We tended to regard non Europeans as not quite our equals - this made it easier to exploit them. We're better now, but we can still be selective. The Japanese were allowed to keep "key" people in a way that the Germans were not because they would be easier to administer and rule that way ( Germany was a western society whose norms and governing bodies were known to the west - unlike Japan ) and also the Allies wanted a suitably right wing establishment to counter the possible spread of communist ideology. To this end they were prepared to overlook Japanese atrocities unless they were unvoidably public. Unfortunately today we still get ignorant of what happened out there - I was asked last year by a canvasser to purchase a sticker for an anti nuclear group to commemorate Hiroshima :roll: - I asked the lady in question whether she knew about Nanking. I got a blank stare. She then asked me whether I thought it right that the US should have killed all those people. I replied that I considered that the USA should have accorded the Chinese that honour by supplying them the plane, the fuel and the bomb.
:bash:
Hey ho.

[GazB]

She then asked me whether I thought it right that the US should have killed all those people.

Hahahaha... the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people. The Allies (ie Britain and US) developed bombing cities to an art... in Germany where there were lots of large strong stone buildings the practise was to drop HE first and then incendiaries... the HE exposed the insides of the buildings, while the incendiaries set the combustible insides alight to create firestorms. (ie the rising air generated a wind into the fire... this fanned the flames and dragged more fuel (people, trees, wood etc) into the fire... increasing the temperature further till the winds were gale force and the destruction of the fires almost total. Of course in Tokyo where the most common building materials were wood and paper the HE wasn't necessary... in one raid over 200,000 were killed. More than either Hiroshima or Nagasaki including the victims of radiation (though not more than both combined).

[stateofequilibrium]

I suggest reading "Rain of Fire" by Charles Phillip