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Seraphim
01-27-2004, 06:54 AM
By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK - Elizabeth Fried says she survived eight months at the hands of Dr. Josef Mengele and his Nazi cohorts. Injections given, blood taken. When it was over, she was sterile.


Fried, now 88, is one of almost 1,800 Jews who have come forward for the first time with accounts of being Hitler's human guinea pigs during World War II.


Their stories, told to Jewish groups dispersing money from Holocaust court settlements, prove that thousands more were tortured under the guise of scientific research than previously thought, according to an expert.


A few of the written testimonies submitted to a settlement committee in the last year are being released Monday, said Gideon Taylor, executive vice president of the Conference on Jewish Materials Claims Against Germany.


So far, 1,778 Jewish victims of Nazi medical experiments from 33 countries have responded.


"We certainly didn't expect this number," Taylor said of the 1,778 who responded, many noting that they were less interested in the $5,400 payouts that will begin getting mailed this week than in having their stories known.


Taylor said such a large number of people making claims indicates there were thousands more who either died during the experiments or have died in the years since. "Our knowledge has been significantly broadened," he said.


Data collected from the claimants show there were about 178 different types of medical experiments conducted in more than 30 camps and ghettos. Some victims were not Jewish, including a group of Polish nuns, Taylor said.


"It's a glimpse into one of the most shocking parts of the Holocaust," he said. "You just read these testimonies. It forces you to believe the unbelievable. These people have been through hell. There's no other way to describe it."


He said it was "closer to torture than it is to anything you could call medicine."


In submissions likely to change the way history books chronicle one of the worst horrors of the Holocaust, several victims have agreed to let their names be released.


Among those was Polish-born U.S. resident Hyman Turenshine, 76, who said he remained silent for years about the sterilization experiments he underwent in Auschwitz in 1944 — but was motivated to speak out by those who suggest the Holocaust never occurred.


Written statements by Turenshine and others who are speaking out will be given to Holocaust institutions, including the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.


"Every day when I go to wash or shave, I look down at the number tattooed on my arm and am reminded and haunted by everything that happened," said Turenshine.


"The payment isn't what's important to me. Instead, our stories need to become part of a permanent historical record," he said.


Fried said Mengele included her in his experiments for eight months in 1944 because she was a twin. She said the experiments took away her ability to have children.


"Dr. Mengele took blood often and gave me injections. He never looked me in the eye. I also had to clean and cook for him as if I were his maid," she wrote.





Others wanted to remain anonymous.

One 82-year-old man described an experiment in which the Nazis unleashed dogs with poison on their teeth to chase him and another man and rip flesh from their legs. A 76-year-old man described repeatedly being cut by a Nazi doctor and nurses with unsanitized instruments so they could see how wounds responded to various medicated creams and liquids.

Another 73-year-old woman told of Mengele pulling her from a line of people headed to the gas chambers at Auschwitz to go to his laboratory, where she was injected with drugs and chemicals or where "they made cuts into my body and left the wounds open for them to study."

"I was used as a guinea pig for medical experiments," she writes. At another point, she says, "As bad as the experiments were, without them I would not be here today to write this."

fokket
01-27-2004, 10:30 AM
731 too

radon
01-27-2004, 05:10 PM
"Their stories, told to Jewish groups dispersing money from Holocaust court settlements, prove that thousands more were tortured under the guise of scientific research than previously thought, according to an expert. "

Then this should have been researched before, when more people were alive .Do things before it is too late. When everybody who personally experienced the holocaust is dead, making reasearch is alot harder.

TarwarWarrior
01-27-2004, 08:18 PM
When I was on one of my R&R's in Croatia I had chance to see this beautiful city called Trogir. Anyhow, during the tour we stopped into this old church and soon our group was approached by this old man who spoke to us in like, four different languages. Our guide went on to explain thta he was a survivor of the holocaust and speaks to anyone he can on the virtues of peace. He showed his arm tattoo from when he was in a concentration camp and showed me the scarred leg he has courtesy of Dr. Mengele as well. Very, very sad and makes me appreciate the life I have had so far. Who knows how many others' stories will never be told because they're gone now.

-TW, out!-

IDFM203
01-28-2004, 10:26 AM
On a bit of a side note…

Every time I hear that butcher doctor Josef Mengele name I just cringe at the missed opportunity to get him.

It has never been confirmed but when the Mossad was hunting down Adolph Eichman (which they did capture) in Argentina in the early 60’s, while they were there, they got a tip that Joseph Mangle was in Argentina as well (as were lots of Nazi’s). But the plan was already in place to get one of the architects of the “final solution” which was Eichman, so they didn’t want to jeopardize the whole well planned operation while it was in action lest it tip him off and the whole thing gets blown.


Just some thoughts…..

Shalom :D

steel bonnet
01-29-2004, 01:23 AM
The parts l`m concerned with & they quickly washed over it.

Was how many are ACTUALLY TRUE accounts??

If they were after getting the facts,why offer a Cash reward?? That in itself will bring the dregs out.

Also as someone has already said,why wasn`t this done long ago??

I`d like to believe that there all true & accounted cases.Though leaving it to this late stage (to keep dragging it up),Offering cash for the stories.
Well l think this will affect the credibility of the stories.

Also l`ve said this before & do not wish to detract the horrors that were inflicted on some people during WWII.

Though how come the Jewish community is getting cash for there suffering during WWII?
What about the Germans (Disabled,Politicians,etc) Are they/There families getting the same benifits?

Again l`m not out to cause a flame war here. Though why is it the Jews which have been highlighted as the underdogs being persecuted during the 30s-40s??

Anyone who has studied that time frame is well aware that the poor sods who lived under STALINS rule suffered greater. Yet we don`t talk about that,they don`t get the movies made about there stuggles,they don`t get large cash lums for there stories/accounts of what happened.

I just think sometimes there`s a group of peope who truely are making a fortune out of the Sorrow of so many Innocent lives,using the JEWS as there CRY for settlements/revenge/etc.

No one kicks off about how badly the Russians treated the Poles when they too invaded Poland with the Germans in `39 Also that we didn`t goto war with them either for invading Poland is another thing that gets me.

Anyway there you have it,my opinion on it. It`s OLD News & the JEWISH Community has done very well from exploiting the History of WWII.
Shame no-one wants to fight for the Greater masses who suffered under STALIN.

ja
Steel Bonnet

Uninen
01-29-2004, 02:04 AM
"Dr. Josef Mengele"

Just look at that name time and again.. until you get it..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Good old Dr. was himself a Jew.

Josef is a Jewish name.

Whats up with that..

Also theres much talk about Hitler himself being a Jew..

Whats up with that?

Just wondering..

And about the post..

To who these things actually were a news?

Ive known about Mengele and the horrible things he did and how since i was 6 years old..

And no..

I am not a Jew, nor is anybody in my family either..

:|

Its just that this all is very basic..

Sadly so..

S'13
01-29-2004, 07:03 AM
"Dr. Josef Mengele"

Just look at that name time and again.. until you get it..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Josef..

Good old Dr. was himself a Jew.

Josef is a Jewish name.

Whats up with that..

Josef Mengele was from a Catholic family... :roll:

Josef is a very common name in Germany (and not just among Jews).

If he wasn't an Aryan he wouldn't have been able to join the SS (anyone who joined had his family tree checked in order to make sure he didn't have any "Jewish blood").

Further more I don't think such claims should be made based simply on speculation.

Roger Rabbit
01-29-2004, 10:10 AM
Go and have a look at some of the posts Uninen has made on his forum and you'll see he's not a person worthy of talking to.

Mr Gently Benevolent
01-29-2004, 11:19 AM
I remember there was a bit of a stink in the late 1980's over a research paper released in the US on exposure to cold and cold sea water immersion that used data from Dr Mengele's experiments, the guy that wrote the paper was jewish and he got all sorts of abuse and death threats, he claimed that the data used was from documents found in a university book repository. There was all sorts of denials from the university concerned but other researchers and historians came forward and spoke about inappropriate third reich documents held by universities.

radon
01-29-2004, 02:30 PM
The people who complain about using Mengeles documents put the past before the future....

2Sheds_Jackson
01-29-2004, 06:29 PM
A lot of the documentation is available online at the Smithsonian website. they have the actual scanned documents (in German of course) names of victims as well as the "doctors" who did the experiments (also English translations). The meticulous recordkeeping of the Germans kind of came back to bite them in the ass in this case.
So, it's most likely very easy to verify these stories & the identities of the people claiming to be victims.

Uninen
01-30-2004, 06:30 AM
Go and have a look at some of the posts Uninen has made on his forum and you'll see he's not a person worthy of talking to.

Uhm..

Says a person with A.Hitler on his avatar.
(and smiley bukkake on his signature..)

:petting:

And i was just saying that to me he (or the name..) sounded like Jewish..

But thanks S'13 for correcting me (or at least telling your view about it..) and not being a ahole about it..

:hug:

Roger Rabbit
01-30-2004, 09:57 AM
Ahem my avatar is a joke, you would have to be seriously retarded to see it in any other light. Your sig however uses a quote from Bismark, who without doubt being a great leader, was not exactly a role model to follow in todays world.

Uninen
01-30-2004, 02:59 PM
But then again..

Who of them (leaders..) really are?

Today..

Blair?
(Who cant do anything but lie..)

Bush?
(Shoe number greater than IQ..)

Putin?
(KGB, FSB..)

:cantbeli:

Btw,

As it seems that nobody had any links..

I found couple by myself..

Mengele - the Angel of Death (http://home8.inet.tele.dk/aaaa/Mengele.htm)

Well..

Other pages it seems that i have closed already..

So this is it..

:cantbeli: