I'm so sick of this Half-Life 2 garbage

[Seoulstriker]

why is HL2 the most anticipated game of 2004? there is absolutely nothing special about it anymore now that there are other games exactly like it or better coming out at the same time or before HL2. graphics, gameplay, physics?

those things are all in FarCry, Doom3, STALKER, etc, even UT2k4 for crying out loud!

HL2 was revolutionary in 2002 and early 2003, not late 2004.


also, ATi sucks. :bash:

[Haiw]

Maybe you should play HL 1 and find out what it's all about...

[Seoulstriker]

Maybe you should play HL 1 and find out what it's all about...

i have TRIED to play Half-Life 1 a few months ago. there is absolutely nothing special about that anymore. it just isn't there, man. i watched the E3 physics demos, hearing the journalists nearly having orgasms while watching HL2. it's sick.

HL is a perverted geek franchise. it's really sick.

i have a feeling people like HL because it is associated with CS. :|

[Dmitri]

I've played HL1 and beat it a couple times, naturally it is not that much of a game now, especially graphics and all, but the actuall gameplay and storyline are awesome. Gotta play awile it to appreciate. Thats why HL2 is so anticipated, plus I don't see any connection btw. HL and CS. I hate CS. They have the same game engine, thats it.
The best HL-mod game for me is Day of Defeat, if anybody played it, that game is just superb. Don't bash the new HL before you play it.

[Seoulstriker]

well, i have a real bad attitude about it because of the arrogance across the gaming world. even major gaming organizations such as gamespy constantly have orgasms over HL2. FarCry, which is probably going to be close to being game of the year, is ranked like 30th on the list of anticipated games of 2004, while HL2 is #1, even though the reasons for listing it are the same for FarCry, STALKER, etc.

[Fox2]

The interactive gaming industry is getting very interesting indeed. Soon it may be equal to or SURPASS the film industry in revenue.

It started out "geeky" individuals learning to program in the 70s and developing their own games. Back then it took one man to create a great game. Today, it's a corporate machine that lacks character (for the most part) and teams are made up of dozens, even hundreds of individuals.

Pretty crazy once you think about how fast it's grown as an industry. It took the movie industry what? Several decades to mature to where it is?

And today we have entities like the United States Military actively pumping out these things.

Mind-boggling, is all I can say.


Ok, lecture off.

I got a chance to mess around with that Far Cry demo a couple days ago. What a blast! I'm definitely gonna have to save up the funds for that one!

[Herrmannek]

also, ATi sucks. :bash:

This needs more explanation....I'm curious why you said that....
From myself I can add....don't buy ATi's :)
I bought before X-mas(this was auto-gift) Radeon 9100 from hercules, b/c of not so bad performance for money I could spend, everything went smoth to time when I tried to run AA, wich I had to stop playing when hardware demanding version 2.0 came out. After few seconds of very nice picture, display freezed and cart restated with info about loop error. ****ed....I tried the hercules page for info about that freezing, but producer even don't admit he produced that card. Tried some hardware tips pages nothing, tried ATi page nothing, tried mother board page nothing...so I sit here writing this post instead of playing AA and relaxing before semastral exams...****TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[Seoulstriker]

i absolutly hate ATi after the incredibly, incredibly dirty thing they did with Valve and HL2. Valve purposely kept HL2 unoptomized for nvidia while heavily optimizing it for ATi in three ways:

1) ATi paid valve to 'fabricate' its data
2) The code did not use the nvidia compiler, essentially running unoptimized for the Nvidia chipsets while running highly optimized for the ATi chipsets
3) The benchmarks were measured before nvidia released its DirectX 9.0 optimizations.


you know what confirms the dirty deal between ATi and Valve? ATi bundled HL2 with every ati product because the ATi was determined to run twice as fast as the nvidia cards with the benchmark. here is what a valve asshole said about this:


nVidia has been circulating its Det50 driver to analysts in hopes that we would use it for our Half-Life 2 benchmarking. The driver contains application-specific optimizations that will likely improve nVidia's overall performance picture, however Valve's Gabe Newell expressed concerns that some of nVidia's optimizations may go too far. Doug Lombardi of Valve has explicitly asked that beta versions of the Det50 drivers not be used for benchmarking.


beta versions of the Det50 drivers, the only nvidia drivers optimized for directX 9.0!!! they didn't use the nvidia compiler for the Det50 drivers either! result? horrible performance for nvidia.

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/2/0,3363,i=28045,00.jpg
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/2/0,3363,i=28046,00.jpg

this is bull****. :bash: :bash: :bash:

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Feh, I really don't pay too much attention to the ATI/Nvidia wars. Valve woulda thrown ATI under the bus just as quickly if Nvidia paid them off. These are just business deals. As an a-hole ex-manager of mine once said - it's not about love, it's about money.

I've been through so many video cards over the years, starting with a raging 3DFX Voodoo I card - I don't even keep track as long as I get my consistent 40fps.

HL1 by now is ooooollld. When did it come out...almost 6 years ago? Anybody got a PC that old? That anybody is still using it or any of its' mods is a testament to how great it was at the time. I still play CS every week - yeah the graphics are stale, but the gameplay is still fun.

As far as HL2 goes - it looks like it will be amazing. The physics are totally different than DOOM3, and in fact there's nothing even close to it out there. Id's goals for D3 are totally different than Valve's for HL2. The world is much less immersive in that you can't interact with it & the physics are not meant to be as accurate.

HL2 has objects/surfaces etc. that can be damaged & destroyed "properly" i.e. wood bends, breaks, sounds, bounces & floats like wood. Ditto for steel, except it would sink in water. All kinds of other cool features not found elsewhere like attachable cameras etc. While some prolly think this is overkill, it will be fun just to walk around and mess with stuff. Remember the first time you played Duke Nukem 3D :) ?

You're right though - they'd better hurry up with it before someone beats them to the punch. That would be a catastrophe for Valve - just the novelty value alone will translate into sales. I also worry that maybe they're pushing the envelope too much & it won't run for $hit on anything other than a leading edge machine. Anybody tried Lo-Mac? Sure it's awesome to look at, it's not fully baked just yet.

And another complaint I have is (prepare to flame me) that HL2 it's set in Europe. I dug Black Mesa from HL1 & to me the story was a big part of HL1. I don't know how they're going to move the story like that without dropping the ball.

[California Joe]

Geeks.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Geeks.

Hey now, before branding us as geeks (yeah ok I suppose discussing the coding for vertex shaders & per-face luxel density is a bit much) consider that participating in an online forum makes us all massive geeks in many people's eyes. It must mean there is a geek hierarchy.

[California Joe]

OK

[Fox2]

Anybody tried Lo-Mac? Sure it's awesome to look at, it's not fully baked just yet.

Yep. It's good fun. :D

I love the A-10 especially.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Anybody tried Lo-Mac? Sure it's awesome to look at, it's not fully baked just yet.

Yep. It's good fun. :D

I love the A-10 especially.

Did you also try the demo? The demo didn't run so well on my rig. I'm curious to see if the game is any smoother than the demo...

[Seoulstriker]

Feh, I really don't pay too much attention to the ATI/Nvidia wars. Valve woulda thrown ATI under the bus just as quickly if Nvidia paid them off. These are just business deals. As an a-hole ex-manager of mine once said - it's not about love, it's about money.

I've been through so many video cards over the years, starting with a raging 3DFX Voodoo I card - I don't even keep track as long as I get my consistent 40fps.

HL1 by now is ooooollld. When did it come out...almost 6 years ago? Anybody got a PC that old? That anybody is still using it or any of its' mods is a testament to how great it was at the time. I still play CS every week - yeah the graphics are stale, but the gameplay is still fun.

As far as HL2 goes - it looks like it will be amazing. The physics are totally different than DOOM3, and in fact there's nothing even close to it out there. Id's goals for D3 are totally different than Valve's for HL2. The world is much less immersive in that you can't interact with it & the physics are not meant to be as accurate.

HL2 has objects/surfaces etc. that can be damaged & destroyed "properly" i.e. wood bends, breaks, sounds, bounces & floats like wood. Ditto for steel, except it would sink in water. All kinds of other cool features not found elsewhere like attachable cameras etc. While some prolly think this is overkill, it will be fun just to walk around and mess with stuff. Remember the first time you played Duke Nukem 3D :) ?

You're right though - they'd better hurry up with it before someone beats them to the punch. That would be a catastrophe for Valve - just the novelty value alone will translate into sales. I also worry that maybe they're pushing the envelope too much & it won't run for $hit on anything other than a leading edge machine. Anybody tried Lo-Mac? Sure it's awesome to look at, it's not fully baked just yet.

And another complaint I have is (prepare to flame me) that HL2 it's set in Europe. I dug Black Mesa from HL1 & to me the story was a big part of HL1. I don't know how they're going to move the story like that without dropping the ball.


beat them to the punch? everyone already has. HL2's physics have already been done. advanced physics engines are extremely common these days. you're talking about the gravity gun, right? the gravity gun is part of HL2, not the physics engine. sure, it's cool, does that make a game?

doom3 and HL2 don't have the same physics? how so? physics are always the same, but there are different ways of exploiting it (gravity gun, etc).


i'm just saying that HL2 isn't as great as it was last year. all of its graphics, gameplay, and physics have already been done. it's not as revolutionary as people think it is when it's already been done before.

[AFACadet]

Anybody tried Lo-Mac? Sure it's awesome to look at, it's not fully baked just yet.

Yep. It's good fun. :D

I love the A-10 especially.

Did you also try the demo? The demo didn't run so well on my rig. I'm curious to see if the game is any smoother than the demo...


It runs a little faster in the final version, but pick up a new vid card. I could play the demo on low settings with my GF3ti200 most of the time without it getting too choppy.

I just got a Raedon 9600pro for 99 bucks this weekend. That alone let me pump up the graphics with mostly high and some medium (like water) and I'm getting excellent framerates.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Computer games promise the world but never deliver.

I'm the fastest uninstall-dude in the south.

I predict Doom 3 will suck donkey balls.

[Haiw]

I predict Doom 3 will suck donkey balls.
A game that could suck your balls...It's amazing! Now THAT would be an improvement! :D

[Dennis G]

Since you were all talking about game engines. It got me thinking and I always wanted to know what it was so I did some research I did not read it way to much but it was cool. Here’s the URLhttp://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,594,00.asp

[Fox2]

Did you also try the demo? The demo didn't run so well on my rig. I'm curious to see if the game is any smoother than the demo...

Yep, I tried the demo with an nVidia GeForce 3 ti500, I believe.

It was pretty choppy even on medium. On low it was pretty smooth.

I don't have any comparison directly with the final, because before I bought the thing I also bought myself a new card. Now I am cruising in GeForce FX hyperspeed... :D

I think the final does indeed improve upon the framerate issues, as AFACadet mentioned. There was an update recently released by the people who make the simulation, and it supposedly fixes some framerate problems with certain people.

To be honest, since I got the full version, I haven't had any problems.

Even if you play it on Low graphics settings, it still looks very pretty and is still very fun.

[Fox2]

Since you were all talking about game engines. It got me thinking and I always wanted to know what it was so I did some research I did not read it way to much but it was cool. Here’s the URLhttp://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,594,00.asp

Yeah, it is actually pretty interesting to study the licensing and such that goes on.

Counter-Strike is a very popular game out nowadays, though I don't play it. It's interesting how everything goes back to the beginning when you see the development. Counter-Strike is a modification for the Half-Life game engine, which itself is a heavy modification of the Quake 2 engine, which is just a continuation of the first Quake engine. It's all very business and all very interesting.

Everyone is licensing their backbone 3D code nowadays, and just building on top of existing platforms.

[Haiw]

HL engine is based on the Quake 1 engine, not the Quake 2 engine...

[memphiz]

Geeks.
rofl

[Seoulstriker]

HL engine is based on the Quake 1 engine, not the Quake 2 engine...


noooo, HL is very much based on the quake 2 engine. trust me.

[Haiw]

For christs sake you hardly even now the game...

Now speak after me:
IT'S BASED ON THE QUAKE 1 ENGINE!!!

[Seoulstriker]

For christs sake you hardly even now the game...

Now speak after me:
IT'S BASED ON THE QUAKE 1 ENGINE!!!

http://www.coolinfo.com/gameinfo/reviews/half/half.html


Half-Life is a modified Quake 2 engine, with only 30% of the original Quake 2 engine still there, one can really notice the enhancements since the colored lighting days of Quake.

[Haiw]

Uuuuh great, you managed to dig up some cool super-duper newbie mag...

Now I know how the BTDT's feel when someone who doesn't know **** tries to lecture them... :roll:

Dig deeper and you'll find out it's based on Quake 1... Heck, it's almost possible to see by looking at the directory structure and into the .pak files from a Half-Life install.

[Seoulstriker]

Uuuuh great, you managed to dig up some cool super-duper newbie mag...

Now I know how the BTDT's feel when someone who doesn't know **** tries to lecture them... :roll:

Dig deeper and you'll find out it's based on Quake 1... Heck, it's almost possible to see by looking at the directory structure and into the .pak files from a Half-Life install.


no way.... are you sure? i always heard Quake 2.

[Haiw]

Hey I heard the moon is made of cheese but that doesn't make it true now does it? I'm 100% sure it's based on the HL 1 engine...maybe look around at planethalflife and I'm sure it's stated on there somewhere.

[Seoulstriker]

Hey I heard the moon is made of cheese but that doesn't make it true now does it? I'm 100% sure it's based on the HL 1 engine...maybe look around at planethalflife and I'm sure it's stated on there somewhere.


Haiw, it's a combination of the Quake 1 and Quake 2 engine supposedly.

[Haiw]

Nope it ain't...they haven't licensed a single line of code from the Q2 engine. Maybe they programmed some features themselves that were in Q2 as well, but in the end it's just a modded Q1 engine. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Seoulstriker]

Nope it ain't...they haven't licensed a single line of code from the Q2 engine. Maybe they programmed some features themselves that were in Q2 as well, but in the end it's just a modded Q1 engine. Nothing more, nothing less.

haiw, i need some kind of backup info. HL was supposed to be released in nov of 1997 but got delayed a year to nov 1998 when quake 2 elements were put into place.

[Haiw]

Okay I wasn't completely right about not a single Q2 line being licensed; it was 50 lines...

http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?go=q1_or_q2
Quake 1 engine...

[Seoulstriker]

Okay I wasn't completely right about not a single Q2 line being licensed; it was 50 lines...

http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?go=q1_or_q2
Quake 1 engine...

thanks, haiw!

[Haiw]

Just another sidenote; the code they borrowed was for winsock stuff, which is netcode crap. It can be argued whether netcode is really part of the engine, or built on top of that...

[Ratamacue]

Seoul, the revolutionary part of HL2's physics engine isn't just the gravity gun and all that. Read up on the game and you'll learn about mapping, the "materials" system, how each texture has certain properties that make it like whatever material you program it to be. Slap a wood texture onto something and it will splinter, snap, and float like wood. Put a metal texture on and it will spark and sink like metal.

Just because you're a Doom3 fanboy doesn't mean that HL2 is going to suck. And Haiw's right, the HL engine is modified from Quake 1, and is still probably the most mod-friendly engine in public existence right now, which will be surpassed by the Source engine.

[Haiw]

By the way, from what I've seen from HL2's physics engine it's more advanced than any of the others around... STALKER's physics engine (I've had the alpha) doesn't make it by a long shot, and even Far Cry's physics engine doesn't go as far as HL2's (especially take a good look the the floating things 'n stuff, and all the physics stuff just looks more realistic in HL2).

[mocking_loudly_died]

All FPS games are the same, eye candy and no substance.

A typical FPS is about collecting the next weapon rather than an interesting plot and character development.

Hence my already established hatred of Doom 3 (oh they can pretend it's going to be plot laden but deep down we all know the scary truth of it's well worn play-ability concept).

Bang Bang Bang Bang...."I now have a shot gun!"....Bang Bang Bang....."I now have the yellow key and the Plasma Rifle!".....Bang Bang Bang....."Wow next level has crates!".

Kill me now, do it!!!!!!

[Haiw]

rofl
Not all fps games are that bad you know...

[Ratamacue]

What Doom3 has on its side is incredible atmosphere. Yes, it's downright scary. Haiw, have you played the alpha for Doom3? If so, you know what I'm talking about.

Half-Life 2 is supposed to have a strong plot and tons of character interaction, but we'll see how that ends up.

[mocking_loudly_died]

I'm bitter because we don't have holo decks.

[Haiw]

Haven't played the Doom 3 alpha, but I know what to expect... it's an atmosphere, not a plot game (also a big reason why all the dynamic shadows stuff is so important in Doom 3).

HL 2 is partially atmosphere too, but in a different way; it doesn't take it's atmosphere from the graphics, but from the plot, gameplay and gameflow.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Doom3 ought to be cool -looks spooky - but I'm a little disappoined by Id's decision to simply make it an old-fashioned shooter. Hopefully the atmosphere will make up for the conventional design - sort of like a better looking System Shock 2. Hey, at least it won't be flat surfaces & boxes everywhere!
Of course I'll have to deprive my family of food, and go buy another video card. You have to love disruiptive technology. I'm running a Radeon 9500 pro with a hacked bios -works well enough for now.

What's the latest on the theft of HL2's code anyhow?

[Skaman]

What the hell are you people talking about? :petting:

[mocking_loudly_died]

Computer games.

[Ratamacue]

What the hell are you people talking about? :petting:

Computer games. Go off if you're not interested.

[Skaman]

What the hell are you people talking about? :petting:

Computer games. Go off if you're not interested.

No its cool, just wondering what all this stuff was.


hhaah

[Haiw]

What the hell are you people talking about? :petting:

Computer games. Go off if you're not interested.
rofl
Don't know why but somehow I found that terribly funny. :lol:

[mocking_loudly_died]

Computer games are more evidence of imperialist America attempting to rule the world.

Hey just giving ducimus a way into the thread. :D ;)

[Ratamacue]

I've heard that they're all a way for the US government to make us all a bunch of mindless drones tailored for killing.

[Haiw]

Too bad for your little thesis a lot of the big hits lately and in the future are not from the US... :P

[Trigger]

They are also all programmed to emit subliminal messages like 'Eat McDonalds everyday' and 'Bomb third-world countries everyday' or my favorite: 'Canada is your enemy...beware Canadian forum members...' :D

[Seoulstriker]

What's the latest on the theft of HL2's code anyhow?

valve is still redesigning the game from the ground up (multiplayer, that is), among other things.

knowing the intricate details of exactly how a game works is EXTREMELY dangerous and can allow hackers, cheaters, illegal modding...

[Skaman]

I think video games say something about the mentality of humans as we enjoy violence and death. We take pleasure in simulated killing of another and the excitement in watching another die on the film screen. Not all film and videogames can be lumped into the category, just very odd it’s a common trend no? Let gather the family together around a game of mortal combat and RIP eachothers spines out. YAY! :cantbeli:

[Skaman]

They are also all programmed to emit subliminal messages like 'Eat McDonalds everyday' and 'Bomb third-world countries everyday' or my favorite: 'Canada is your enemy...beware Canadian forum members...' :D

Get fat, play videogames. Go ahead, if thats the life you want for yourself, by all means, do so....

[Seoulstriker]

I think video games say something about the mentality of humans as we enjoy violence and death. We take pleasure in simulated killing of another and the excitement in watching another die on the film screen. Not all film and videogames can be lumped into the category, just very odd it’s a common trend no? Let gather the family together around a game of mortal combat and RIP eachothers spines out. YAY! :cantbeli:

hey ducimus, do you watch movies?

[Trigger]

Naw, nothing says 'Family Time' like a good ****o.

[Ratamacue]

I think video games say something about the mentality of humans as we enjoy violence and death. We take pleasure in simulated killing of another and the excitement in watching another die on the film screen. Not all film and videogames can be lumped into the category, just very odd it’s a common trend no? Let gather the family together around a game of mortal combat and RIP eachothers spines out. YAY! :cantbeli:

I think you're looking too far into it. Ever consider that playing games is just fun?

[Skaman]

I think video games say something about the mentality of humans as we enjoy violence and death. We take pleasure in simulated killing of another and the excitement in watching another die on the film screen. Not all film and videogames can be lumped into the category, just very odd it’s a common trend no? Let gather the family together around a game of mortal combat and RIP eachothers spines out. YAY! :cantbeli:

hey ducimus, do you watch movies?


Yes I do. As long as it has substance I will watch it. If its random killing and Hollywood crap, I shut it off.


Last movie I watched was 'thirteen'

It is a film about troubled youth, very deep and emotionally proactive film

[Haiw]

He's amish. ;)

[Seoulstriker]

It is a film about troubled youth, very deep and emotionally proactive film


metro******.


try acting like a man and like guy films. guys don't watch emotional movies: that's for the women. :|

[Trigger]

Last movie I watched was 'thirteen'

It is a film about troubled youth.
A home movie?

[Ratamacue]

Yes I do. As long as it has substance I will watch it. If its random killing and Hollywood crap, I shut it off.


Last movie I watched was 'thirteen'

It is a film about troubled youth, very deep and emotionally proactive film

Wow ducimus, you're so intellectual.

[Skaman]

I think video games say something about the mentality of humans as we enjoy violence and death. We take pleasure in simulated killing of another and the excitement in watching another die on the film screen. Not all film and videogames can be lumped into the category, just very odd it’s a common trend no? Let gather the family together around a game of mortal combat and RIP eachothers spines out. YAY! :cantbeli:

I think you're looking too far into it. Ever consider that playing games is just fun?

Sure, sports car racing, fishing, sports, not simulated murder games. I dont get my kicks out off pumping lead into a computer man soldier.

[Skaman]

It is a film about troubled youth, very deep and emotionally proactive film


metro******.


try acting like a man and like guy films. guys don't watch emotional movies: that's for the women. :|


You sad little child souel. "Guy" movies. Like what, Hollywood Rambo and Schwaranegger? One of my favorite films is "Last of the Mohicans" and it features PLENTY of killing. "If you don’t like death, you’re not a man" :cantbeli:

[Roger Rabbit]

Ducimus does have a good point. Some films which are about emotions and what not are quite good. Can't think of a good example right now, just watched Kill Bill.

[Seoulstriker]

actually, men are physically and emotionally designed to be hunters, killing for food.

[Roger Rabbit]

Some how i don't see Graham Norton as much of a hunter designed to kill stuff.

[Skaman]

actually, men are physically and emotionally designed to be hunters, killing for food.


Really? You have a lot ot learn. Your ****** sterotypes wont get you far in this world friend.....

[Fox2]

I thought John Q. was a really good movie. And there wasn't any violence, really. Just sayin'.

Ducimus, you say you don't like the cheap gory hollywood flicks ala Schwarzenegger and Stallone. So are you saying you don't watch ANY movies at all with violence in them? I mean, even things that have an involving plot, but are violent. Good war movies like Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, or Tears of the Sun?

[Roger Rabbit]

Dammit i'm agreeing with Ducimus again.

[Skaman]

I thought John Q. was a really good movie. And there wasn't any violence, really. Just sayin'.

Ducimus, you say you don't like the cheap gory hollywood flicks ala Schwarzenegger and Stallone. So are you saying you don't watch ANY movies at all with violence in them? I mean, even things that have an involving plot, but are violent. Good war movies like Saving Private Ryan, Das Boot, or Tears of the Sun?


One of my favorite films is "Last of the Mohicans" and it features PLENTY of killing.

From a post two or so back.

[Skaman]

Dammit i'm agreeing with Ducimus again.


Breath, It comes naturally....

[Roger Rabbit]

At last. last of the Mohicans was a great book and a terrible film. It ranked almost with the likes of Robin Hood(the one with Kevin Costner).

[California Joe]

It was a great book and a good movie Rup. Period correct. Yup.

[Skaman]

At last. last of the Mohicans was a great book and a terrible film. It ranked almost with the likes of Robin Hood(the one with Kevin Costner).


I never read the Last of The Mohicans novel. Never saw Robin Hood either.

Lets see, other VIOLENT movies that are enjoyable:
-American History X
-Savior
-Tigerland

[Operation Ivy]

Well im a little late to answer but

I cant wait for HL2 cause i got HL when it first came out and it the best game ever!....and HL2 will have many many awsome mods, thats whi i really want it :D ...and Day of Defeat rocks!!


SeoulStriker i have a ATI Radeon 9800 XT and its the greatest thing ever :D

[Seoulstriker]

SeoulStriker i have a ATI Radeon 9800 XT and its the greatest thing ever :D


i would have to agree with you there...for now. wait for nv40 and r420 and then make up your mind. :D

i got my geforce 5900 NU 449/933 for $186 and i'm extremely happy. :D :D :D

[Marxist203]

why is HL2 the most anticipated game of 2004? there is absolutely nothing special about it anymore now that there are other games exactly like it or better coming out at the same time or before HL2. graphics, gameplay, physics?

those things are all in FarCry, Doom3, STALKER, etc, even UT2k4 for crying out loud!

HL2 was revolutionary in 2002 and early 2003, not late 2004.


also, ATi sucks. :bash:

Well, Half Life spawned all sorts of popular mods...like Counter Strike, Day of Defeat, Fire Arms, Team Fortress and Natural Selection.

Now, just imagine those graphics with the updated engine...whoa.

[Operation Ivy]

Now, just imagine those graphics with the updated engine...whoa

Cant Wait woot

[mocking_loudly_died]

I only play RPG's cause I'm a NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD.

< level 1 million elf with blade of infinate farts.

[Haiw]

RPG = laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

[mocking_loudly_died]

FPS = crates, keys and the bog standard shot gun.

[Haiw]

RPG = silly game for Asian chicks...
FPS = a man's game...

[mocking_loudly_died]

RPG's = evolving characters, romances and the much loved sword swinging.

FPS = frustration, chronic masturbation, wailing and finally throwing the burnt CDR in disgust (like any one buys FPS games, they can all be finished in a day).

[Haiw]

RPG's = BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING....weak graphics, not by a long shot as much romance as Max Payne 2, and swords are ghey.

FPS = coooooooooooooooooooool, action, storylines that are mostly noted for their lack in gayness, and really worth the download.

[Haiw]

Ah and not to forget all RPG's are as much alike as...well...chinese ripoffs of eachother.

[Roger Rabbit]

The only place more gay than this thread would be Soho

[mocking_loudly_died]

Don't diss this rooxer thread biatch.

rofl

[Herrmannek]

RPG = silly game for Asian chicks...
FPS = a man's game...

Play Fallout - there is no better cRPG out there

[Haiw]

Fallout is ancient...and butt-ugly.
And lame.
And boring.
And ghey.
And stupid.
And...
well you get the idea.

[Herrmannek]

Fallout is ancient...and butt-ugly.
And lame.
And boring.
And ghey.
And stupid.
And...
well you get the idea.

This is the rare example of game You can chose how to play,
if you like to play homo-lame hero in boring&stupid way the game will accomodate to your desires....


;)

[mocking_loudly_died]

Fall Out 2 was mad.

I became a **** star and a world champion boxer (while killing mutants).

Gawd, how can any one knock those titles.

[Herrmannek]

Fall Out 2 was mad.

I became a **** star and a world champion boxer (while killing mutants).

Gawd, how can any one knock those titles.

but Fallout 1 had beter atmosphere....

[SOG]

What's the latest on the theft of HL2's code anyhow?

valve is still redesigning the game from the ground up (multiplayer, that is), among other things.

knowing the intricate details of exactly how a game works is EXTREMELY dangerous and can allow hackers, cheaters, illegal modding...

too late. the code source for half life two was stolen a month or two ago. then again thats what they get for moving the raw code on a connected pc. if i remember correctly they used a email buffer overflow to jump in or was it a IE overflow? cant remember. i think it was someone in asia....

and fallout 1 & 2 ownz JOO! your fps bulletos is no match for my blak magiK $K!¶¶?!

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Never got into the RPG thing (well, unless by RPG you mean rocket propelled grenade). I'm more of an FPS guy.

Sure the games usually boil down to mindlessly negotiating a maze, while finding junk, shooting things & moving boxes. But - don't forget multiplayer.

Who can beat the satisfaction of pwning some n00b and learing l33tsp34k at the same time? For a while I had a wallhack for CS back on 1.5 - it was the shiznit. But I felt so guilty I only used it while playing others on the LAN in my house. They deserved what they got.

Anyhow - I wonder if they'll ever find who stole Valve's code. It was something right out of a mission impossible movie or a government op. And it went off without a hitch. Amazing.

As far as mindless violence - most of it is quite cartoony. I think some games really push it. I had GTA3 for a while but uninstalled it 'cause I didn't care for it's focus on killing the good guys. Like that gawdaful movie "natural born killers" - what a steaming load of crap that was. Even the actors involved felt guilty afterwards. I'll decapitate yellow blooded aliens all day, but have a problem shooting virtual cops.

[Seoulstriker]

too late. the code source for half life two was stolen a month or two ago. then again thats what they get for moving the raw code on a connected pc. if i remember correctly they used a email buffer overflow to jump in or was it a IE overflow? cant remember. i think it was someone in asia....


it was a flaw in outlook express that was first exploited with valve, so there was no way to prevent against it except use anything except outlook. and i knew that the source code was stolen.

HL2 is being redone.

[Skaman]

RPG's = BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING....weak graphics, not by a long shot as much romance as Max Payne 2, and swords are ghey.

FPS = coooooooooooooooooooool, action, storylines that are mostly noted for their lack in gayness, and really worth the download.


And I thought an RPG was something Iraqi's fire at the Americans :petting:

[Trigger]

That's because they can't find any Canadians to shoot at.
You really are mentally challenged aren't you. :bash:

[Seoulstriker]

That's because they can't find any Canadians to shoot at.
You really are mentally challenged aren't you. :bash:

trigger, your sig says it all. :D :D :D

[Ratamacue]

HL2 isn't being "redone." The engine is being slightly modified to nullify and exploits that could be made from the leaked source. The MP code is probably the part under the most work.

Oh yeah, I must say that FPS's are superior to RPG's, though I did greatly enjoy KOTOR. But I'm a geek like that.

[Seoulstriker]

HL2 isn't being "redone." The engine is being slightly modified to nullify and exploits that could be made from the leaked source. The MP code is probably the part under the most work.

Oh yeah, I must say that FPS's are superior to RPG's, though I did greatly enjoy KOTOR. But I'm a geek like that.


do you know what can possibly happen with the released code under such a sophisticated engine? stack overflows, memory overflows and such can be exploited to run programs such as key-programs, back doors, etc. valve is in big ****, and this is extremely serious.

if it was just multiplayer code and small engine code being changed, it would have been fixed by now. the actual structure of the engine has to change because anything like the leaked code can be exploited.

release date of Q4 2004 seems about right.

[Ratamacue]

I'll bet you $20 USD that it gets released April 2004. I will. Seriously. I'm that stupid.

[Seoulstriker]

I'll bet you $20 USD that it gets released April 2004. I will. Seriously. I'm that stupid.

deal.

Q4 2004 still stands, and my sources tell me things don't look good for teh project. Q3 2004 is the earlies.

remember, april is Q2 2004.

[-=TFN=-Karab]

This is a looong list of game talk. I read up to 3 pages and got bored. Those games all suck if you are looking for the most realistic fun game, play America's Army Operations. The best and free FPS created and developed by the United States Army. It's a recruiting tool for the Army, but who cares, ITS FREE!!!? It's awesome, great graphics, lots of updates and patches, as close as it gets to real combat. But of course it still isn't realistic enough because... you can't make people fear death or pain without actually making them die or feel pain :D so there are stupid people who run around expending ammo. The physics are great, aim is dependent on your movement, posture, weapon, etc. You have to complete training first before you play online :P Go through Basic little ones! anyways, if you guys are interested go to www.americasarmy.com for more info.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

This is a looong list of game talk. I read up to 3 pages and got bored. Those games all suck if you are looking for the most realistic fun game, play America's Army Operations. The best and free FPS created and developed by the United States Army. It's a recruiting tool for the Army, but who cares, ITS FREE!!!? It's awesome, great graphics, lots of updates and patches, as close as it gets to real combat. But of course it still isn't realistic enough because... you can't make people fear death or pain without actually making them die or feel pain :D so there are stupid people who run around expending ammo. The physics are great, aim is dependent on your movement, posture, weapon, etc. You have to complete training first before you play online :P Go through Basic little ones! anyways, if you guys are interested go to www.americasarmy.com for more info.

Yeah, it's ok. I installed it when it first came out, found it a bit stale, and uninstalled it. I've put it back on a few since then, hoping it was more fun - and took it off again. Yes, they strive for realism, but that doesnt' necessarily make it fun. That plus it was buggy as hell (hence all the patches etc.). It does look nice though - I think it uses the new Unreal engine. But hey, for the price, it's great.

[EvanL]

Hmm i wonder how your girlfriends feel about the game?
Ohh yeh thats right you dont have any. rofl rofl
Jk
Go play outside. Get off the computer games. I turn on my PS2 about once a week for 30mins and thats it.
Watever happened to cops and robbers? COwboys and indians?

[Ratamacue]

You're hilarious Evan. I have no priority on girls because high school relationships are, plain and simple, bull****. Go off and do your own thing, don't criticize how I live my own life.

[Seoulstriker]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

[Roger Rabbit]

So then you can findout whether you want to marry her.

[Haiw]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"
My saying goes: "Bible ain't no dating manual!"

[Kriz]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

To have *** with her ? :)

[Seoulstriker]

well, if i know a girl for a while and i seem to like her enough, i would start dating.

[EvanL]

Baba booey baba booey babba booey howard sterns *****, babba booey babba booey babba booey howard sterns *****. YEEEEEh
Thats all i have to say.

[Seoulstriker]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

To have *** with her ? :)


whoa. i believe that the way to a strong marriage is to devote yourself to your future wife before ever knowing her (ie no *** before marriage). it's a pretty special bond between a man and a woman when they devote everything they have to each other, isn't it? ;)

[Roger Rabbit]

Erm or not. Seoul if you can't get laid then you shouldn't take up the "no *** before marriage" as an excuse for it. There are many happy marriages where people having been making like bunnies long before they were married and their marriage is no less special.

[Herrmannek]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

To have *** with her ? :)


whoa. i believe that the way to a strong marriage is to devote yourself to your future wife before ever knowing her (ie no *** before marriage). it's a pretty special bond between a man and a woman when they devote everything they have to each other, isn't it? ;)

I must sadly admit right to seul...no play before mariage.....

[EvanL]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

To have *** with her ? :)


whoa. i believe that the way to a strong marriage is to devote yourself to your future wife before ever knowing her (ie no *** before marriage). it's a pretty special bond between a man and a woman when they devote everything they have to each other, isn't it? ;)
Thats why your a loser.
Its probably best you dont reproduce. And if you do have kids, i wish them good luck in high school.

[Skaman]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

To have *** with her ? :)


whoa. i believe that the way to a strong marriage is to devote yourself to your future wife before ever knowing her (ie no *** before marriage). it's a pretty special bond between a man and a woman when they devote everything they have to each other, isn't it? ;)
Thats why your a loser.
Its probably best you dont reproduce. And if you do have kids, i wish them good luck in high school.

hahaha, man that was cold.

[EvanL]

my saying goes: "if you wouldn't marry the girl, why would you date her in the first place?"

To have *** with her ? :)


whoa. i believe that the way to a strong marriage is to devote yourself to your future wife before ever knowing her (ie no *** before marriage). it's a pretty special bond between a man and a woman when they devote everything they have to each other, isn't it? ;)
Thats why your a loser.
Its probably best you dont reproduce. And if you do have kids, i wish them good luck in high school.

hahaha, man that was cold.
Ice Cold! Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

[Trigger]

Thats why your a loser.
Its probably best you dont reproduce. And if you do have kids, i wish them good luck in high school.

hahaha, man that was cold.
Ice Cold! Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing[/quote]
That's what the doc's said to your parents EvanLloyd. If only they had listened.
High School: the best 6 years of your life.
Now, if you two Canuckleheads are finished blowing each other, would you mind shutting the F**K up?

[Haiw]

If High School were supposed to be the best 6 years of my life I'm in for a whole world of hurt... :roll:

[EvanL]

Thats why your a loser.
Its probably best you dont reproduce. And if you do have kids, i wish them good luck in high school.

hahaha, man that was cold.
Ice Cold! Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
That's what the doc's said to your parents EvanLloyd. If only they had listened.
High School: the best 6 years of your life.

Now, if you two Canuckleheads are finished blowing each other, would you mind shutting the F**K up?
Trigger you must have had some bad experiences in high school. Dropped the soap a few times aint ya? I guess thats why your in the Navy. You began to enjoy it.
Have a nice day.
Ohh and by the way. High School only took me 4 years. I dont know why it took you six.

[Roger Rabbit]

There there Haiw let it all out, its ok to cry like a woman once in a while......YA PUSSY :lol:

[Trigger]

EvanLloyd, your response indicates that you have a severe disability in understanding the English language. Your freshman year of high school probably took four years.
Furthermore, your attempts at jokes, i.e. dropping soap=Navy are older than my grandpa's buckskin rubber.

[EvanL]

EvanLloyd, your response indicates that you have a severe disability in understanding the English language. Your freshman year of high school probably took four years.
Furthermore, your attempts at jokes, i.e. dropping soap=Navy are older than my grandpa's buckskin rubber.
That may be. But they are still relevant.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Jeezus H Christ I turn my back on this thread for 2 hours and it's all gone to $hit.

In answer to the question about what my GF thinks about it -she enjoys many forms of digital entertainment ;) games being one of them.

Besides...you have a PS2...a PS2! rofl

[Skaman]

The BEST video game of all time!

http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=e%3A%5Cimages%5Cnintendo%5C40%5Clarge%5CSuper%5F20Mario%5F20Bros%2DBowser%2Ejpg&widthvar=800

[Seoulstriker]

SMB3 was the best.

[Skaman]

Games I have owned:


1.Super mario
2.Duck Hunt
3.Il2 sturmovik
4.ms flight simulator 2004
5.Red baron
5.ww2 fighters
6.Some game on a floppy where you operate on people.


Good times!

My computer can barely run the new flying video games like the IL2 sturmovik. My friend needs to set it up so it will atleast run. These are fun thouh, check them out!

http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=e%3A%5Cimages%5Cpc%5C300%5Clarge%5C128%2D2%2Ejpg&widthvar=800



http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=e%3A%5Cimages%5Cpc%5C964%5Clarge%5Cflightsimulator%5Fss%5Fb%5F3%2Ejpg&widthvar=800



http://www.gamescreenshots.com/sendbinary.asp?path=e%3A%5Cimages%5Cnintendo%5C40%5Clarge%5CSuper%5F20Mario%5F20Bros%2DTreasure%2Ejpg&widthvar=800


I could not find the pictures for the other games. Owell.

[Seoulstriker]

Games I have owned:
2.Duck Hunt

YOU LIKE KILLING INNOCENT LITTLE DUCKIES?!?!?!?!?!?

:bash: :bash: :bash: :-*$

[Skaman]

Games I have owned:
2.Duck Hunt

YOU LIKE KILLING INNOCENT LITTLE DUCKIES?!?!?!?!?!?

:bash: :bash: :bash: :-*$


I tried to shoot the dog, yet it would not die.

[Fox2]

3.Il2 sturmovik
4.ms flight simulator 2004
5.Red baron

Have owned/do own those three. :D

Il-2 is great fun. The way planes get damaged is just fun to watch! Little bits flying off, et cetera. I love how it actually affects the flight characteristics also.

And being a torpedo bomber is just a trip. Dodging the AAA of defense ships! So fun.



I tried to shoot the dog, yet it would not die.

I have notified PETA Special Weapons and Tactics teams of the current situation. They should be breaking down the door and rappelling from the skylight in....3....2.....1......